And baby makes 19!

The Duggars are expecting their 19th child in the spring. Start thinking of J names, Jim Bob wants your help.

People magazine

194 comments:

SavetheSheeples said...

I don't know why I am surprised, lol. Really, I am!

Congrats Duggars....

Sarah said...

I am excited for them!!!!

ARC91681 said...

Congatulations on baby 19! Some J-names to consider:

Girls

Janelle
Jacqueline
Jayla
Joscelyn
Julia
Jaylin
Jasmine
Jensen

Boys

Jaden
Jared
Jonas
Jeremy
Jonathan
Joel
Jarret

Know When to Say When said...

Poor Anna (Josh's wife)...she can't even enjoy her own first pregnancy and baby without her mother-in-law overshadowing it.

Anonymous said...

I agree... I think that Jim Bob couldn't bare the thought of being overshadowed by Josh and Anna's pregnancy, so he had to get Michelle pregnant again. 15 months apart... is that the closest age difference yet for this clown car family?

B'More Gal said...

Congrats to the Duggars!! I honestly thought that maybe they were done, since they are about to be grandparents. I guess not! It does make me nervous though. They have 18 healthy kids... I can't help but worry that it's only a matter of time until one of their children is not healthy. Hopefully this is not the case!

Count Back 3 Months said...

I'm doing the math here....this child was conceived when JimBob & Michelle were at the Bates' house helping with the remodel ?

sora said...

Ever notice how Michelle doesn't actually look after the little ones - she buddies them up with the older kids. She does the nursing but that is it, both she and Jim Bob have lots of free time for themselves.

Sarah said...

I always have a hard time with the naming part. One of ours they don't have though...Justice.

BoyMom said...

Darn. I'd hoped this rumor wasn't true and Michelle could just enjoy being not pregnant for a while. Oh well. I'm happy for them if they're happy with it.

Hollie said...

Congratulations!! Here are some J names!!


Girls

Jala- charity
Janay- God's gracious gift
Joely-
Jolissa-
Joan- God's gracious gift
Jacy- the moon

Names for Boy/Girl


Julian- youthful
Jalen/Jaylen- bird of light
Jaden/Jayden- God has heard
Jerzy- farmer
Justice- fairness

Boys

Jagger- a teamster
Jasper- semi precious stone
Jolon-
Jude-

Tammy C said...

Anyone notice the look Josh got on his face when Anna was asked the question directly not to him first.Anna did look at him first as to what should I do then she talked.

Andrea said...

anonymous said:

I agree... I think that Jim Bob couldn't bare the thought of being overshadowed by Josh and Anna's pregnancy, so he had to get Michelle pregnant again. 15 months apart... is that the closest age difference yet for this clown car family?

Anon, Please tell me you're not serious? Do you really think Jim Bob and Michelle couldn't bare the thought of being overshadowed by Anna? 1st of all, it's Jim Bob and Michelle -- I don't think they have a jealous bone in their bodies. 2nd of all, look how many kids they have...do you really think they only wanted the 19th one because Anna was pregnant? I'm laughing now just typing that out...it's ridiculous, they obviously love kids and will take as many as they're given, not b/c they're competing with their son. haha, thanks for the laugh tho!

Grace said...

Michelle said she is usually pregnant by the time her newest baby is 8 months. This is no surprise. And no, this is not the closest age difference.

Anonymous said...

Michelle is going to keep having babies for as long as her body allows. That is the Quiverfull belief.

So lets just say, hypothetically, she reaches menopause at age 50, since that is the average age for women. That means she would have 8 more years of childbearing. With the rate they've been going, it is possible that they could have 5-7 more kids. Of course this is all on average, but it COULD happen. And, really, who would be surprised??

Anna said...

I'm happy for them! Congrats Duggars!!

Anonymous said...

Since the miscarriage rate is 50% or more at 45, I don't think we're going to see a lot more babies. Notice that this time the announcement wasn't as soon as the stick turned but a conservative closer to 3 months. Michelle has to know the miscarriage risk is on a steep curve upward already. Even my fertile Myrtle boss topped out at 45.

JFS in IL said...

Girl names - Jean or Jaclyn. Ok, I am biased, those are my girl's names. Duggars already used my boy's names.

Anonymous said...

jeez, I think its insane. I wish them the best but cripes. Does either one of them have any common sense? I have a suggestion for a name-

JustAnotherFace

bethany said...

wouldn't that be nice if it were twins?? i'm happy for them

NotMyFamily said...

I am not sure that it is a "Jimbob" problem, but rather a "Michelle" problem. IMO, she is not addicted to babies, but to pregnancy, and the attention that it brings her. I have seen people like this, no thought to the fact that the 'baby' will actually turn into a child, who will need to be tended, taken to the dentist, helped with homework, etc--ie responsibility!

Right now Michelle has it made--she gets pregnant, basks in its glow, pops it out, nurses contentedly--then passes the poor kid off to start the whole cycle again.

I feel sorry for those girls, they will have raised multiple children before they are 20 years old. I don't look for them to encourage marriage for the girls at all. Heaven forbid Michelle and Jimbob raise these kids!

Also, did anyone notice how TICKED Josh looked?!! How dare Mom and Dad steal HIS time in the spotlight?? How dare Meredith actually ask Anna a question, to answer herself??

Terri said...

I am an amateur genealogist with hundreds of hours of research under my belt. It is sobering to see the number of female ancestors who birthed a baby a year for 20 plus years and her death date corresponds to the last birth within 2 weeks, meaning if childbirth doesn't take them out, the aftermath does. This pattern holds for urban vs rural, long ago, and quite recently.

There is a limit to what a woman's body can bear. Is Jim Bob ready to handle it if Michelle follow the pattern?

Congrats to you both, I wish you all the best of health and happiness. Please think of the chance that your children could find themselves motherless- and older siblings are no substitute.

Good luck to you all.

Anonymous said...

I hope this woman can pop out 28 - I am ready for the drama

Anonymous said...

It looked like the 2 girls holding Jennifer and Jordyn had their hands full this morning. It just seems a shame to me to keep on having children for your children to raise. Jordyn seems to have gotten passed along to a buddy quickly, but I guess that's the way it works in the Duggar house.

Obviously, we only see snippets of their life on tv, but I have to think those snippets as far as child care goes are probably the norm. Those older girls should not be so tied down with child care and chores, yet they seem to accept it all in good spirit. Just seems really strange to me.
They need to be out enjoying life, going to school and learning about more than babysitting and cleaning. Jim Bob and Michelle should really begin to use some common sense.

Melissa said...

Also, did anyone notice how TICKED Josh looked?!! How dare Mom and Dad steal HIS time in the spotlight?? How dare Meredith actually ask Anna a question, to answer herself??

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I'm sure you also noticed that Josh said "the arrival of MY little girl". Check out people.com

Poor Anna.

Anonymous said...

Anna's hair looked SO much better on the video! She got it cut and straightened it and the bangs part looked a lot better, too

Beth said...

Tammy C said...
Anyone notice the look Josh got on his face when Anna was asked the question directly not to him first.Anna did look at him first as to what should I do then she talked.
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YES! Whoa! He looked SO annoyed that the question was not directed to him! Ew, he makes my skin crawl. He doesn't even REALIZE how bad it makes him look - he just seems to love the control and attention! And he did his level best to get as much of the interview time to focus on himself rather than the real intended announcement. Oh, Anna...sweet Anna. Good luck, honey. I pray it's true love on both ends.

Anonymous said...

Michelle is not addicted to pregnancy. It is not about Jim Bob(or Michelle) not being able to overshadow Josh and Anna.

It's a BELIEF. It's a conviction that they are truly willing to accept as many (or as FEW) children as the Lord blesses them with. If that means Michelle has one more, so be it. If it means none after this one, or ten more, then so be it. Whatever God's will is that is what they are willing to accept.

They truly believe God's will is best, and they must die to self (thus the J.O.Y. thing--Jesus first, Others second, Yourself LAST) and be happy and content in His will.

The Bible tells us that doing things God's way will look foolish to the world. We must be willing to be mocked and ridiculed and persecuted for doing God's will.

Michelle and Jim Bob have said that they are not saying everyone must forego birth control. They have said it is what God has asked THEM to do and they are willing to do so.

My husband and I have chosen to trust God and accept His will as well. We have six children, all about 2 yrs apart. I do not have my children as close together as Michelle (who does NOT wean her children on purpose by the way, and anyone that weans on purpose is not truly leaving it up to God anyway, they're trying to force His hand), because my cycles are delayed while I am nursing. Once my children are sleeping through the night (at about a year or so) then I usually get pregnant in about 2 or 3 months.

If the Lord should bless us so wonderfully to have 18 children like Michelle and Jim Bob, we would be so excited and think it was so wonderful. He would give us strength and provide all our needs(notice that's NEEDS, not wants-- and need is a relative term), including patience and wisdom to raise them, as he already does with the ones we have. The Bible says His grace is sufficient for us, that in OUR weakness, He is made strong.

We(meaning those who are sometimes called 'quiverfull') truly trust that God knows best and that He won't give us more than we can handle, WITH His help.(of course it is too much without Him, b/c without Him
we can do nothing). We have an abiding faith and trust in the Lord and believe He will decide how many children are best for each family. There are many 'quiverfull' families that have only 1 child, 3 children, or 5 or 6. There are several that have 10 or 12. There are some (like the Jeubs, Heppners, and Duggars) that have 15-19 children.


See, it's not about us. It's all about trusting Him.
Mrs P

CarolS461 said...

Ol' Jim Bob better learn to keep his rocket in his pocket. I seem to recall that the last time Michelle was pregnant and delivered, it was quite risky then. Even the Dr. told them it was risky.

What will he do if Michelle died during the pregnancy or childbirth? How would he raise 18/19 children by himself? Well, yes, we all know that the girls are the ones who are raising the children.

But, c'mon...she's 42 years old and is about to become a grandmother herself.

Enough is enough is enough. I think the quivver is full enough.

ZIP IT UP, Jim Bob!!!

VillageMama said...

Congratulations to the Duggar family!!

I thought that it looked like her weight loss had slowed down! My suspicions were right!

I am very happy for them and for the lucky child who gets to join such a joyful, loving family. We should all be so "deprived".

Now maybe JimBob will get his Julie Grace. I'm rooting for Julia, since that's my daughter's name... Julia Grace.

Anonymous said...

Come on already... Don't you have enough kids??? Why don't you let your son and DIL enjoy there first child without the overshadowing of your 19th. It's sad when you have to have your older children help raise "YOUR" kids. They should not have to take on that kind of responsibility.

Sarah said...

Mrs P....
WELL SAID!!!! Thank you for that post!!!! We too are qf minded and we will take kids at whatever time God intends, even when my hubby is deployed or around the world from me.

Laura said...

Actually, I noticed that most of the older kids seemed to have smiles completely frozen on their faces. I would think it was just camera nervousness if they weren't so camera savvy. Really, none of them looked truly thrilled, though I know that is an impression from a small news segment and who knows what they really think!

Anonymous said...

A reminder and confirmation of what some others have said. I'm the product of a quiverful marriage and I'm an only child. I wasn't conceived until several years into the marriage and then my parents were told there wasn't really any chance of any more.

Anonymous said...

Why does Quiverfull ignore the fact that one of the fruitages of the Spirit is "Self Control?"

Rory said...

Wow...I thought the Duggars were done after Jordyn. Anyway, congratulations to them and we should keep them in our prayers for a safe pregnancy for Michelle and a safe delivery of baby #19.

As for names, for a girl I like Julia. I've seen a few people say this name. For boys, Jeremy is nice, but it's very close to Jeremiah. Jared is a good name for a boy.

Bella said...

omg. Even though this really shouldn't be news at this point, I am still shocked. I thought they were done. I bet her body is begging her for mercy.

And I know what their beliefs are, but have they considered the risks of all of these "later-in-life" pregnancies? The risk of Downs Syndrome and other genetic abnormalities is extremely high at a woman of Michelle's age. Are they really prepared for that? Would they still believe that God knows best if their baby was born with a problem? Would they be able to give that child the extra attention he/she would undoubtedly need throughout the rest of his/her life?

WindbagJosh said...

Jesus (might as well)

Jesusa (girl)

Justanotherbaby

JoshgotnuthinonJimbob

Jeeperswhatacarbonfootprint

Jokingright?

When did having a lot of kids become so interesting and newsworthy?

chocolatebee said...

I can not say I am shocked or surprised since this is the Duggar way of life but I must say I was taken aback a bit when I logged on to the internet this morning and saw the headline. I had to read it three times to make sure.If God should see fit for them to add to the bunch then they will. I wish them all the luck in the world.I am interested to know how the other kids TRULY feel about another baby.Not the Duggar PC way to feel but truly feel.If you notice on the Today show clip the older girls faces (Jana and Jinger in particular) were so stoic it was scary.They looked emotionless.I wonder do Jana and Jill feel more inclined to court so they can leave the nest and have less responsibilites raising their sibilings? I like the Duggars by the way but as always, I have concerns.

shmed said...

Does anyone know if we are going to see the Bates house?

Joanna said...

I know what people are saying. My stomach was nervous when I read it, and I actually needed to take a few minutes to walk around and absorb the news. Strange that the news would do that to me personally because i don't even know the duggars personally. I just wish now I could adopt this baby! Jim Bob and Michelle have enough! I want one!

Some of the Duggars looked quite tan, but especially Jessa! Did you see her! WOW! She's really tan! She defintily stands out in the crowd. I think she really likes the tanned look.

I would think they would go with Julie or Julia since Jim Bob wanted to go with Julie last time. I really wish they'd go with Joscelyn. I love that name. My name is to close sounding to Joy-Anna and Johanna, but they haven't used my aunt's name Joanne, or my Mom's first name Janet (she's never been called that, always by her middle name), nor my great-aunt's Jeanette.

They haven't used Jody either, which is one of my cousin's name.I still plan on naming my first daughter Jordan Grace (I think I'll stick with the normal spelling) and I love Joscelyn and Jana too. Lots of the little ones when they first start saying my name call me "Jana". It's so cute.

I just hope and pray that Michelle is healthy enough and that the baby will be healthy. I'm most concern about uteriane rupture.

Crystal said...

Why does everyone have such a fascination with how much time Michelle spends with her kids? If she only had 2 or 3, but left them in daycare 40-50 hours a week so she could work full time no one would say a word, even if they were financially able to swing it on one salary.

Anonymous said...

I agree with those that comment on the older girl's faces. I call it 'the Brady bunch smile'. Every person in that family does it. It is so rehearsed and creepy. You could almost read Jana's mind. "I can't take this any more. Get me out of here"

Magpie said...

Boy Names:


Jacob
Jasper
Jeffery
Joseph
Julius

Girl Names:

Jaime
Jenna
Jewel
Jillian
Juliet
Justine

*Just thought I'd throw some out there!*

Anonymous said...

A mother who needs to work to provide for her two or three children is entirely different than a woman who continues to pop out children every year and cannot, or chooses not to, care for any of them, except the nursing "buddy". She is home all day. She could teach, brush hair, make food, play games with her other children. But no, she pawns them off on her daughters, who are looking more Stepford Wife-ish by the day, They have no emotion, no opinions. All they do is dutifully raise their mother's children.

If Michelle wants to have 20 kids, at least she should be responsible for raising those kids primarily, with help from the older ones, but not the older ones doing all the work.

MomOfThree said...

Of course, Jim Bob and Michelle are going to continue having (at least two more) babies. They want to get to an even 20 children...10 boys and 10 girls. As long as Michelle is able and her health is good, I am not at all surprised about this announcement.

I do think, though, that it would have been nice for Michelle to have stopped at this point and be available to help Anna with HER children and household as Grandma Duggar did for Michelle. In their book, Michelle says how much help Grandma was, how she babysat each week so Jim Bob and Michelle could have their night "out" and how Grandma would just show up and start doing dishes and laundry, etc. Especially since Anna's own mom and family are so far away, it would be very comforting for her to have help she could count on in her in-laws.

Mandy said...

I don't think that Michelle and Jim Bob are doing this to outshine Josh and Anna. From what it sounded like in the article they were both surprised to find out that she was pregnant. She was dieting, not worrying about pre-natal vitamins and pregnancy meal plan.

And the fact that they waited three months to announce it probably means that they didn't want to take the spotlight from Josh and Anna. It could be because they wanted to make sure and know that the baby was healthy but I'm guessing it's because this was as long as they could wait to announce it before it became obvious and this gave Josh and Anna the biggest spotlight they could have.

But this is all speculation obviously. =)

Judy said...

I watched the announcement. What concerned me is that Michelle didn't even seem to blink when the baby was fussing quite a bit. I think most mothers would not be able to keep still if they heard their babies fussing like that.

I am not trying to criticize anyone. I really enjoy their show, for the most part. But I found that sort of strange.

Judy said...

Mrs. P:

To some extent, I think you are right, but I have to tell you, I don't think Michelle is leaving this all up to God. I really think (maybe not this time) but in general she watches her cycles to optimize her chances at pregnancy and if (notice I say IF) she's doing that, she's not truly leaving it up to God.

Jessica said...

I'm surprised..and honestly not really happy for them...I really hope she has no complications..

It's gross how Josh is having his first kid and his parents are still having kids..

LoLo said...

Geez I wonder if its like throwing a hotdog down a hallway! Give your body the rest it so desperatly needs,and give your kids the attention they deserve.Quit having kids,it's time to focus on raising your children now,not having more.

bethany said...

i like the name journey.. or journie.... my little niece is named jamierose a friend just named his son jorgen...

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Do they know if it is a boy or girl yet?

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Why the negative remarks about ma and pa Duggar trying to overshadow Anna. If you believe as the Duggars believe, as they have clearly stated many times, that they do NOT do birth control and take the "blessings" as God gives them. So are they to set aside their belief and practice cause their daughter in law is with child?

bethany said...

i am a RN and have worked L&D and yes a women's uterus can become boggy or soft after alot of births.. but we usually give Pitocen to firm the uterus back to normal also breast feeding and massage will help firm her back up.... it's not like the old days where a woman could die ( although it happens).. i am sure michelle is being followed by a high risk OB doctor .... i'm sure she will be fine.... i just think it would be fun if it were twins... identical ..lol

Anonymous said...

"Why does everyone have such a fascination with how much time Michelle spends with her kids?"

Because she's their mother. And if you choose to forgo birth control, then you better take all responsibility for the children you have. Not just financially. If you can't physically make sure each child brushed their teeth that day, then you should not be having that many children. It IS a child's job to help their parents. It is NOT a child's job to raise/homeschool their siblings.

Bella said...

Another thing that concerns me is the fact that I never see Michelle holding her babies. Except for the times when she is nursing, I haven't seen her actually hold her babies very often. Its always one of the older girls holding and caring for them. I also always see the older girls organizing and packing for the younger kids when they go on vacations. Last I checked that was the mother's job. I know they have a "quiverfull" and it would be hard for Michelle to pack for all of the little ones herself, but its really not the older kids' responsibility either. Its one thing to have them help out around the house but these girls are downright doing the parenting themselves. I agree with those who are saying that she should be taking responsibility for personally raising her own children, not handing them off to an older girl once they are done breastfeeding. It makes me wonder how much time the older Duggar girls actually have for schooling after doing the laundry, washing the dishes, cleaning the house, chasing after the little kids, feeding the baby and putting them all into bed? Not to mention the time they have to spend "working", aka filming episodes for their TV show. But thats a whole separate post.

Anonymous said...

I just have to say that I am happy for anyone who is happy to have more children. And I don't see how anyone who doesn't personally know the Duggar's can be so quick to judge them. They clearly love and care for all of their children and welcome as many more as the lord is willing to give them. While I don't practice this form of birth control and perfectly happy with the six kids I have, if I was blessed with more children I wouldn't have a problem with it.

And when it comes to Michelle's health I think it's best to leave those speculations to her and her doctor. Any health risk that may pose a threat to Michelle I'm sure are monitored by her doctor. And if for some reason that baby were not 100% healthy or normal and had some kind of birth defect, the Duggars don't appear to be the type of people to love that baby any less or much less consider abortion. And child is a blessing, at any age and in any package.

Also, for all of those people giving flack for the amount of work the children do, it's a little over the top. Large families work together as a team. It is by no means unreasonable for these children to have "jurisdictions" that they are responsible for and they have always seemed age appropriate for all the children. Another thing that is very common in large families, and I can say this because I come from one and I have a rather "large family" myself by many standards, for older children to help out the younger children. It comes with the territory and most older children to find it to be as such a burden as many of you seem to think and I know my oldest sisters and I loved helping our mom and taking care of our younger siblings. When you grow up in a house that shows great affection for one another and is driven by selflessness and a yearning to help others it's a part of life. The Duggar's may not do things the way typical families do, but isn't that part of the appeal of the show?

I have been a fan of theirs ever since their first special on I believe Discovery Health, and while I don't agree with many things they do (Such as their educational curriculum, courting, and extreme modesty that doesn't even give the children a chance to try and stay pure by resisting urges)I think they do a lot of things right. I think they are doing a fine job of raising happy and healthy children and teaching them a lot of core values that many kids these days are lacking. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with the things they do but who are we to judge and where do we find that we are so much better and that harsh and rude comments towards their lives are warranted.

~Meredith A. Mother of:
Hudson-12, Lucy 10, Ava-4, Colin-4, Fin-4, Hannah-4

firecrasher said...

Does anyone have a link to the video? I was at work this morning but I'd love to see it.

Joplin said...

Anyone notice that the girls' hair looked more fashionable than normal? They've lost those huge poofs that used to decorate their forehead.

Elizabeth said...

Wow, I didn't think it would happen this soon! When did she have time to get pregnant while they were on their extended vacation?? My name suggestions:

Boy - Jacob, Jeffrey, Jared
Girl - Julie, Jacqueline, Jocelyn

Enough Already ! said...

In the episode this season where JimBob took all the children to the dentist (and I'm not confusing them with the Gosselins).....
Jim Bob said that they try to teach their children to use self-control in all situations.....

He should take some of his own advice.

Control yourself, Jim Bob....get separate beds...sleep on the sofa, or whatever it's going to take to give your wife's body a rest. She's had enough. Of course she's not going to tell YOU that because you have brainwashed her !

frugalchicken said...

I am happy for them-a baby is a great gift to be blessed with. I love the Duggars and how they stand up for their beliefs. That being said I do worry about the chances for a Down syndrome baby, our society and healthcare has come so far to help the people who have Down's live much more normal lives than in the past where they were placed in institutions, but will the Duggars embrace the help that is offered for these children through public schools or will they depend on an alternate therapy that may not be as advanced. If they do not embrace the most modern and successful therapy then one of the older kids will eventually have to assume care for this child.

flowergirl said...

J name
Justa...........Justa Nuff

Midwest Mom said...

Posted by: Meredith A/Anonymous:
" It is by no means unreasonable for these children to have "jurisdictions" that they are responsible for."

It becomes unreasonable when the older children do not have opportunities for education beyond the household.

At least the 2nd oldest boy, John David, gets a chance to work outside the home at the used car lot. What about the older girls? Their days are nothing but diaper changes, herding toddlers, fixing meals, cleaning and laundry. And they aren't even married yet !

The Duggars would seem a lot more credible if they would show at least one of them going to community college, university, vocational/technical school, cosmetology school, or whatever they have an interest in beyond the "education" they receive from mama around the dining room table.

I agree with the post that the older girls in the video yesterday had that "deer in the headlights" look at the announcement of #19.

I also don't buy into this whole "it was a surprise" line from ma & pa duggar. Ummmmm....let's see.....you were having sex and not using birth control, and yet you were surprised?

Anonymous said...

If my MIL got pregnant while I was I would be upset. Although it really annoyed me that Josh and Anna were so disappointed about it taking a few months to get pregnant. Try spending all of you life savings on figuring out why you can have a kid. My husband and I have a wonderful, solid marriage. We have been trying to get pregnant for four years with no success. Is it just "God's Will" that we can't get pregnant??? Does God just not want us to have children? Seems hard to believe considering we would give a child a good home life, and there are so many children out there whose parents don't want them.

Anonymous said...

If you can't give proper love and attention to the brood you already have, please stop having more. It is fine for you older children to help out with chores and work together as a family. But when your older children seem to be responsible for RAISING your younger children, perhaps it is time to be happy with what you have. Stop being selfish.

Beth said...

"Why does everyone have such a fascination with how much time Michelle spends with her kids?"

I think part of it stems from the fact that Michelle is held up by many as a great mother while most women who work and use daycare are characterized by these same people as not doing their jobs as mothers. But what really is the difference between Michelle using her older daughters as daycare providers while she works (she does work for TLC, is an author, does press, etc.) and another woman using paid daycare (who many times have early childhood education degrees and are more qualified, have limits to the number of children than can care for, and have shifts that actually end after several hours). Except that those daycare providers are paid and get credit for the work that they do. It seems to me that what Michelle does that makes her an "example" of motherhood for conservatives is that her job isn't a threat to any patriarchial assumptions, not that she doesn't work or use others to care for her children.
Michelle does have many of the benefits a lot of working women would like to have: a flexible work schedule, a partner with a flexible work schedule, the ability to have her kids at work and on business trips, and on-site daycare. Unfortunately for her, she also needs maternity leave, but seems to have to work more than ever once she has a child since she gives a lot of press interviews following each birth.

Anonymous said...

Hey guys

just wanted to say for those who are suspicious of everyone's smile in the video... they filmed this at 6AM

how was your smile this morning ? Mine wasn't that great. ;)

Coyote said...

For Firecrasher:

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/32639555#32639555

nccalgal said...

Until couples started limiting the size of their families and stopped having babies in their early thirties, it wasn't that uncommon for mothers and daughters (in law) to have children close to the same age. I grew up with my nephew and niece. He was 4 months older than me and she was 15 months younger. Aunt, uncle, niece, nephew, cousin are just terms that describe how people are related. As long as there's no incest involved, there's nothing wierd or wrong just because we didn't encounter it in our own family. Just to throw another curve ball into the mix, my niece and I married brothers so my husband is a brother-in-law to both my sister and my niece. LOL

Anonymous said...

It takes full and genuine faith in God to not only rely on him as far as the number of children he "blesses" one with, but that He will also supply whatever is needed for that child's welfare. That includes making provision if either the mother or child has complications resulting from the pregnancy or birth of the child. Granted, the more children a woman has, the more risk of complications, but these things can happen during a first pregnancy just as easily as it can with the tenth or nineteenth.

Anonymous said...

It's all about control. We (the parents & rulers) have them. You (the girl children) raise and care for them....until the day you marry, walk way (shunned for eternity), or die.

I hope TLC's around for the rebellion. Statisically, the sample is large enough, someone has to have some backbone and sense in that brood. I can hardly wait for, "Les Duggarable." No music or dancing, of course, but plenty of drama.

MsPeabody said...

I think Jim Bob and Michelle both have said before that they are leaving the number of children they have in the Lord's hands so this is no surprise to me.
I mean they don't use birth control; they will keep having babies until it's not physically possible. I was just waiting for the announcement and knew it would be near weaning time for the little one Jordan.
And I'm sure Anna and Josh both knew this could happen. Anna will probably find herself in the same position one day, where she is a grandmother to be and a mom to be all at the same time.
I don't have a problem with the number of kids one has but I do think pawning the younger ones off on the older ones is strange but what do I know about it??
I only have three kids and with that many kids I guess you would need your older kids to help out. All the kids seem loved, well cared for and respectful so I think it teaches them responsibility when they help out mom and dad with caretaker roles as long as the time they spend caring for their younger siblings is reasonable as opposed to all the time. But that is just my opinion.

CappuccinoLife said...

lol. QF don't have self-control? I'm dying here. People who have sex with contraception are more self controlled? They have sex *less* often?? Puh-lease. People who are not QF have smaller families because.....they are actively preventing conception, not because they are more sexually self-controlled. Give me a break.

Congrats to the Duggars! I can't believe anyone is surprised. THey've said for years (decades) that they accept any and all children God gives them. What's to be surprised about?

notafan said...

'''From an AOL article-
PD: Who's running things while we're on the phone?
MD: My 16-year-old Jessa is the school coordinator.'''

In the 'real' world a job like that would pay pretty good. 'Spose Jessa gets paid?? (NOT!)

Anonymous said...

In all fairness,I wonder if they were pushed by producers to make the announcement,in order to up the ratings? JAT.But yes,I would have liked to have seen them hold off on announcing another until after their grandchild is born.It just seems it would have been the right thing to do.

names..

boy..

Jorin
Jayden

girl..

Jade
Jasmin
Jori

Jasmin Jade would be nice..I hope they will consider it.

congrats and best wishes,Duggars :)

Laura said...

At least people who run daycare centers: 1) get paid, 2) choose the profession, 3) conform to child labor laws, 4) can turn down children if they feel that they have too many, 5) quit whenever they want, or 6) at least get some vacation time. That is the difference between putting your children into daycare 40+ hours per week and pawning them off onto your other children.

Cait said...

Julia
Josephine
Josefina
Jolene
Jenna
Jane
Janette
Jade
Juliette
Julietta


Joel
Jakob
Jonas
Jonah

Anonymous said...

Some have mentioned that they should have waited til Anna and Josh had their baby. That baby is not due until Oct 18th. Michelle will be about 19 weeks pregnant or nearly 5 months pregnant by then. Don't you think word would have gotten out or people would have noticed by then? People were already speculating on it NOW. So maybe they decided to just go ahead and announce it to put the rumors to rest.

Mrs P

Anonymous said...

I agree that it is placing a lot of responsibility on the older kids to take care of the younger ones. But as someone who was 12 years old when my younger brother was born (he was a surprise) I really enjoyed being able to help take care of him. I loved being his "second mom" It was a great experience and now that he's 15 and I'm 27 we still have a special bond. I'm grateful for it. But there was only the one. The more children the more stress and responsibility.

But it is about a family's belief. If the older kids really believe in the same values and family principles as the parents then they probably find great joy in helping take care of the younger ones, if they don't when they are older then they probably won't have many, if any kids, of their own. We should be careful of judging this family as if the children shared our beliefs. We shouldn't pity them, if they aren't pitying themselves. They will have the chance to make their own decisions.

Also I hardly think that Michelle and JimBob have tons of time for themselves. Ask the president or VP of a company - they may delegate managers or team leaders to be in charges of some employees but that hardly means they're not working. Some (the ones I know) work longer and harder most of the employees.

notasbadasthatothertlcfamily said...

flowergirl said...

J name
Justa...........Justa Nuff


LOL!!! how funny.

how about....JUST STOP ALREADY

lots of kids are great, but siblings shouldn't raise siblings....

ThisIsRidiculous said...

Ok, I love watching this family I really do, they are nice to each other and respectful of everyone but when I read this...I just had a to take a moment. I mean I thought they were done when they had Jordyn.
I found it interesting that on the video, already one of the older girls was holding Jordyn while Michelle sat and basked in the glow of being pregnant yet again. She must just hand the youngest baby off as soon as she finds out she's pregnant with the next one!
And another thing--at least a few of those older girls had to have graduated from high school right??? So WHY are they at home helping raise their MOTHER'S children instead of going to college!? Are they waiting for men to come along so they can become their mother? If I were those girls I would have gotten out of there so fast once I graduated high school--I could NEVER have continuously raised all my younger siblings while my mother just kept having more and more. What a life!
I believe that this really is a religious decision for them--but it has to be the easiest religious lifestyle decision ever. I mean come on what are the downsides really?

msrylee said...

Anonymous, they must have had some alone-time!! While I understand their beliefs, I don't personally agree with some of them. Hopefully Mommy and Baby J #19 will be healthy.

Enough with the Multiples said...

While I think Michelle seems like a very sweet woman and caring mother, I also think she is obsessed with pregnancy. There is entirely too much emphasis placed on the women in their family/circle of friends on bearing children. Cases in point:
Michelle teary eyed at the thought of Jorydyn being her last before she delivered her and Anna disappointed that it took 4 months to concieve. These women need to be shown that there are stages to life and even as much as you love your children, childbearing is not every stage of adult life. Michelle should recognize that at her age and with the additonal health risks, it's time to start looking at life with more grown kids and grandkids. The same way Anna should have been enjoying young married life instead of fretting about conceiving. As well the older Duggar girls that are done with high school, should have jobs outside the home or be going to college and exploring their own interests instead of being free round the clock babysitters for their younger siblings.

Anonymous said...

Names:

Julia
Juliette
Jessica
Josephine


Jacob
Jaden
Julian
Jeremy

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Why does Quiverfull ignore the fact that one of the fruitages of the Spirit is "Self Control?"

______________________________

Seriously? Just because they don't believe in birth control, they can't enjoy sex between a husband and wife? God intended sex to be an expression of marital love. They have been married for a long time and still love each other. And they express it in different ways. Good for them.
So, if they had been using birth control, you would not think that they should have "self control?" That is ridiculous!

New Shoes Anyone ? said...

I guess this announcement eliminates the possibility that any of the existing children will get their own BRAND NEW pair of shoes.

Buy used and save the difference ! That way, they can birth more mouths to feed !

Snap! said...

I always thought the Duggars are aiming for 20 children. They will probably have one more after this one- by then Michelle should be around 46- just my opinion.

Anonymous said...

It's going to be interesting to see what happens when (and if) one or more of the Duggar girls decides there's more to life than staying home and raising her mother's children and waiting for a courtship partner.

I wonder what Jim Bob and Michelle's reactions would be? On the other hand, how would that poor sheltered girl make a go of it in the real world?

It's going to be interesting to watch what happens in the future.

Pam said...

ThisIsRidiculous,

Since they are home schooled, I don't think any of the kids graduate. I know Josh got his GED. ITA with you though. They should be out in the real world, but maybe they don't believe women should work outside the home? I don't know? I would hate to think the girls are taught to get married, have kids and that is it. If that is what they want, fine, but I am not sure these girls know there are other options.

W said...

Justletmebethelast.

Hopewell said...

Since I was thrown off TWOP I'll join you guys!

Anonymous said...

Here's my name suggestion: J'Enough-already!!!!!

jonandkatewho? said...

Wonder what Michelle would do if several of her older girls staged a rebellion and told her they were moving out/going to college/getting married?

Then she would have to raise the younger children herself.

Maybe then she would stop having kids.

Anonymous said...

Bella said: It makes me wonder how much time the older Duggar girls actually have for schooling after doing the laundry, washing the dishes, cleaning the house, chasing after the little kids, feeding the baby and putting them all into bed?
**************************************************
The Duggar kids graduate from the School of the Dining Room Table with an extremely useful GED at the age of sixteen. Josh had so much confidence in this quality education that he was going to go to online law school! Incidentally, they pretty much teach themselves from about 13 on. The older girls also teach the younger ones.

Say It Ain't So, Michelle! said...

ThisIsRidiculous said: And another thing--at least a few of those older girls had to have graduated from high school right??? So WHY are they at home helping raise their MOTHER'S children instead of going to college!?

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The Duggar kids don't attend public or private school. They have been home-schooled. They get a GED at 16 and everyone's education has ended there. The kids seem to have dreams but in spite of Jim Bob insisting that they can pursue higher education and careers, no one has left the compound except Josh and that was to run a tired used car business that Mommy and Daddy set him up in. Anna purports to have a B.A. in Christian education but the details of where, how, when, etc., are pretty sketchy. I'm guessing it was an "approved" Gothard program (but unaccredited in the real world) and she won't use it because her goal is to be like Michelle.

Anonymous said...

There's an interview with Michelle on People.com about their daily schedule. They study law and medicine???

I think it said they do school from 9-12 and then start again at 2
and among the afternoon subjects are law and medicine. That seems like a pretty hefty home school curriculum. Just wonder who's capable of teaching it.

I can only imagine what their law and medicine classes consist of.

Shawna said...

jonandkatewho? ...

Haha! So true, sadly. Michelle has said before that she can barely function when the older girls are gone.

I wonder, when those girls get older and married (move out) what will happen to the dynamic in that home. Really, it's only a matter of a few years before Michelle loses her most precious commodities: the older girls. Then what? Will those boys actually be expected to do more housework like laundry and meals?

Those girls carry a whole lot on their shoulders. Everyone admires Michelle, but I admire her daughters. Without them, Michelle would not be the 'super mom' that she is.

Beach Lover said...

Two thoughts come to mind. I am praying that Michelle will have all healthy babies until her quiver is full. The risks are so much higher as we age, unfortunately, for problems. Maybe that is nature's way of giving us a clue. Oh, well, that is not the way J&M think.

And Josh has some trademark personality quirks, IMHO, of an abusive husband in the making. I mean to say not in a physical sense, I hope, but he has to be the star of every show and be a puppet-master. I fear for Anna and their children. He needs therapy and I'm not sure the quiver crowd (and don't mean to be disrespectful here, but I don't know the proper name of their religion) allows therapy.

Destiny said...

Beach Lover said: And Josh has some trademark personality quirks, IMHO, of an abusive husband in the making.


I agree! I fear Josh to be somewhat mentally abusive towards Anna his family. I've noticed how much he's changed, now that he and Anna are married, and it almost seems that she fears him and seeks his approval before doing anything on her own. That doesn't seems to be the way he was raised!

As for baby #19, I'm happy for them but I think that when your children start having children, then it's probably time to stop!!

"J" names to consider:

Boys:

Jacob
Japeth
Jared
Jaren <~~ Favorite
Jeffrey
Jeremy
Jessie
Joel
Johnathon
Julius
Jaden



Girls:

Jade
Janelle
Jaslene
Jeannie
Jeana
Jenna
Jewel
Jillian
Jorja
Julia
Juliana <~~ Favorite

Got To Be A Joke said...

The TLC Website now has photos of Michelle & daughter-in-law Anna, standing next to each other, showing off their baby-bumps.

We get it already ! Enough !
Good grief, I'm going to throw up now.

michelle~ said...

For a boy~
Jason
Joel
Joseph
Jeb
Julia

For a girl~
Jean Ann
Jillian Malyse
Jan Rachel

Anonymous said...

For a girl~
Jolene

Anonymous said...

I have a friend who told me that her pastor's wife was expecting her 7th or 8th. She told everyone that "they would take all the children that God sent them." My friend responded, "Well, then, I would change my zip code!!!"

Terra said...

I don't have a problem with her having that many children. The problem is that she forces the older girls to do too much of the work. She said in their book that having their first few kids was so exhausting because she didn't have anyone to help her. Why shouldn't it be close to that level of exhaustion now? As the mother, she should be doing the bulk of the work.

It's one thing to ask your older children to pitch in with chores and babysit once in awhile. It's another if they are always babysitting and taking care of most of a younger child's needs.

Anonymous said...

jeanna (gina) or julia, and justice for a boy

Overworked Buddy System said...

How nice. One of the older Duggar kids is expecting a new buddy. Do these kids get any say in whether or not they want to care for another child? They say they like helping out. I'm sure they do because it's all they've ever known. There is not a lot of freedom of choice in that family. Mom has another baby and I get to do more work. Yay!!!

Beth said...

"Do these kids get any say in whether or not they want to care for another child?"
I think it's pretty clear that the answer to that question is a resounding NO! They are assigned a buddy just as they are assigned their juristictions. It is one thing to assist your parents as an older child when you see that they need help. It is quite another to be required to parent your siblings. While they are called buddies, these older girls really are parents. According to the jurisidictions, they make lunch and dinner, do all the laundry, most of the cleaning, grooming for buddies, tutoring as well as monitoring their educational progress. At least parents typically decide how many children they are capable of parenting based on their emotional, physical, and financial capabilities, but these girls have no say in this. Of course according to the Duggars, God would not give them more children than they can handle which I guess applies to the girls as well, but I'd rather that the girls got to make this call.
In my opinion the Duggars have miscalculated how much they can shelter the girls by homeschooling them while doing the show. A lot of the way that their family runs relies on the girls not being exposed to other options. Putting them in the public eye will undoubtedly expose them to these other options. I'm hoping that some of them choose to exercise some of them. If they would like to have that many children themselves and make that decision, that's one thing.
Unfortunately, given their education and upbringing it will be a difficult path if they choose to leave since they are ill-prepared for the work force. BTW, I think this also goes for the boys who have a lack of marketable skills as well. I think their parents have done them all a disservice by choosing to tightly control their environment at the expense of their education and socialization. By socialization, I mean the ability to work around and tolerate those who views are very different from your own. It's pretty clear from their behavior at the Ethiopian restaurant that this is lacking.

Anonymous said...

Girl names:
Jaralyn
Jolee

Boy names:
Jerald
Jonah
Jarek

jessica said...

I'm shocked at the rudeness of the some of the comments...the people saying the baby's name should be "justanotherface" and things like that. You may thing the Duggars are crazy, or irresponsibile, or anything else, but don't you have any respect for human life?

What if you were the last baby of a big family? Would you think that about yourself? Would you think you were just another face? You probably think you're pretty special whether you're one of a small family or a big family. And you're right, you are. Everyone is. I think these comments just aren't being respectful fo people as human beings.

Anonymous said...

Hopewell said...
Since I was thrown off TWOP I'll join you guys!

=================================================

Hope you aren't countressrascal who was making up sensational incorrect Duggar information on TWOP.

Tracy T. said...

I'm very happy for the Duggars and excited to see who Baby # 19 (or
babies #19 and 20!) will turn out to be!!

I don't feel sorry for the older girls. I truely believe they love thier younger siblings and enjoy being part of the "Duggar team".
I do believe that all of the older kids will pursue their own intrests- one of the girls wants to become a midwife- and most of them will probably end up getting married and having children of their own.

I believe that Jim-Bob and Michelle are fully aware of the risk of Down Syndrome and other genetic conditions that occure most commonly in moms who are over 35. I believe that if God should chose to give them a child w/ such a condition, that child would be just as loved and well cared for as his/her siblings are.

As for J names-

Jim-Bob really wanted to have a daughter named "Julie Grace" but was out voted by the rest of the family in favor of "Jordyn". Grace is now Jordyn-Grace's name, but I hope that if they have another girl that they name her Julie or Julia. I also like the name Julianna, but that's so close to "Joy-Anna". I also like the name "Janessa", but that's so close to "Jessa". I also like the name "Jacquline"- "Jackie" for short, and that is the name of a dear friend of mine who is very much like Michelle, but only has 5 children, including a baby born 8/20. Boy J names I like- "Jacob", "Joel", and "Jonathan" are my top 3.

I'll be praying that all goes well for the Duggars- both for Josh and Anna w/ baby #1, and for JB and Michelle and baby #19!

I love kids and wish I could spend a few days with the Duggars, just getting to know them!

Anonymous said...

No wonder the girls looked so depressed at their parents' "announcement". Mother Duggar only cares for her nursing buddy and then the older girls get a whole new child to care for! It's a deal for Michelle, but a lot more work for the older girls. I'd look sad too.

Ms. B said...

How nice. One of the older Duggar kids is expecting a new buddy. Do these kids get any say in whether or not they want to care for another child? They say they like helping out. I'm sure they do because it's all they've ever known. There is not a lot of freedom of choice in that family. Mom has another baby and I get to do more work. Yay!!!

9/04/2009 9:25 AM
Anonymous Beth said...

""Do these kids get any say in whether or not they want to care for another child?"
I think it's pretty clear that the answer to that question is a resounding NO! They are assigned a buddy just as they are assigned their juristictions."
____________________________________

Actually, they seem to NOT be assigned. In their book, they mention hows James had been asking and asking for a buddy before Jennifer was born. HE WANTED a buddy. That's why they seem to be close and play together a lot in some episodes. I think the kids, including the older girls, truly enjoy their duties, their siblings, and the way that their work is appreciated by all family members, including mom and dad.

luvmybabies said...

So much protesting that the girls "are raising their mother's children." THE GIRLS ARE NOT RAISING THEIR YOUNGER SIBLINGS! When you raise a child, a whole lot more goes into it than feeding, clothing, diapering, cooking and cleaning. Those are household chores that need to be done no matter how many kids, and all family members are obligated to help out. A family provides children with food, clothing, shelter, education, entertainment, love and community, etc. They should then be expected to pull their weight. The mother shouldn't be weighed down with doing everyone's everything for them. Contrary to what some believe, that is not a mother's job. So many kids are given everything, with no responsibilites attached, in the name of "being children", and they have the "rest of their lives to have responsibilities". Problem is, lots of young adults never learn it after adolescence. The Duggar kids will always be responsible citizens, because they've grown up with responsibility.

Raising children requires not just chorework, but the entire burden of their character training and spiritual development rests on your shoulders. You have to direct the activities of the home, the goals of the family. Jimbob and Michelle do that, I think that's evident. I don't see Michelle putting her feet up with a book while her older girls run the house. Whenever we see her, she's always teaching, training, loving, holding, cleaning, organizing, planning etc. Because she delegates, even a lot, with this, doesn't transfer the responsibility of parenthood to their shoulders. She's still in charge and that's a huge burden. I don't think parents are obligated, even in a large family, to get their older kids' permission to have another child. You're part of the family you're born into, like it or lump it. If they don't like it and they want out, then we'll see that happen. I think these kids are equipped just fine for the outside world. I mean, if you can keep laundry organized and running for 20 people on a regular basis, you probably have confidence you can do pretty much anything you need to.

It appears to me that the girls truly enjoy the babies in the family and helping out. That said, I do feel some concern that the older kids haven't left home yet to pursue higher education, jobs, etc. I would hope that if the older girls want to move on, that they would be honest with their parents about it and that their parents would support them in that. I get the feeling that they're all happy where they're at right now though.

I just think the accusations that they're raising their siblings are inaccurate.

Lela said...

I have to make a comment on the "school of the dining room table" that many posters are bashing.
Like the Duggar children, I was homeschooled, and I would hardly call the education I received lacking or that it made me ill-equipped for the real world. On the contrary, the training and resources I had at my disposal better prepared me for higher education than many of my peers and friends, several of whom have well below 3.0 GPAs at their various higher institutions. I, on the other hand, am a junior at a very prestigious college, and had multiple offers and scholarships (that unfortunately did not cover my needs completely, since I'm trying to pay my way through school) at Ivy League universities.

I wish that those who are not there to actually witness the Duggar family's education would stop badmouthing an education method they obviously know nothing about. In our day and age, unfortunately, spelling and grammar is not regarded highly by the younger generations, so I would not put Joshua's syntax errors on a website as your main source for how well educated they are. Yes, undoubtedly, they are a sheltered group. But that is not because they are homeschooled, nor should the homeschooling itself be mocked because a mother or a sister is not properly educating.

*gets off her soapbox*

Sarah said...

Very well said luvmybabies...I wholeheartedly agree (though I don't think there are many of us on here that do agree to that one).

As to the girls packing everything for the trips....Michelle has packed before, and the girls love to pack so they volunteer for it and love doing it. Sometimes it's a good thing to stand back and LET your kids express themselves and their talents in these kinds of ways. I bet those girls are great organizers!!! I need them to come to my house for an afternoon!! Packing is a big chore though, so I applaud them for taking that one on.

Anonymous said...

I am really surprised to see how supportive some of the posters are here. This is just my opinion, but I truly feel there is something just wrong about their lifestyle. Procreating new life is an honor and should not be treated so grossly casual. I believe that THEY believe that they are following a Godly course, but there have been many times that religeous fanatics wrought great destruction on others for their beliefs.
When do their children simply get to be children? Jimbob and Michelle don't have a 'quiver full'. (not gonna lie - really creeped out by that term!) Their DAUGHTERS have a quiver full.
No, they are probably not hurting anyone outside their own home, but what about those that bear the burden within their own family?
That is just my own view on things.

Anonymous said...

I don't think people are mocking homeschooling as a general practice. I, for one, know many intelligent and well educated homeschoolers, who are part of networks where they have scientists or writers or whatnot teach small groups (not from the same family). There are a lot of bright kids that take community college classes instead of HS, and they are considered "homeschooled" too. Some do a combo of computer classes, coop, etc.

But when someone like Michelle, with no college education, purports to teach her 18 kids, including subjects like "medicine" and "law", you just have to laugh. When I saw her teaching the letter "B" to one of the little guys, I knew she was over her head. My kids could identify the letter B at age 3. And the older kids get the responsibility of "teaching " their siblings, when they have no sound education themselves.

So, there is homeschooling...and there is homeschooling. I think the Duggars' variety is sorely lacking, and I feel sorry for those kids, because education is truly important. They could use stimulation and input from educated teachers or other students for collaboration, and unfortunately, will never get it.

JimmyCrackCorn said...

Lela said: I wish that those who are not there to actually witness the Duggar family's education would stop badmouthing an education method they obviously know nothing about.

***************************************************

How long have you watched the show, Lela? We have been allowed to peep into the Duggars' educational world plenty of times! We have seen academic chaos involving bouncing toddlers, distracted students, misplaced workbooks, kids coloring babyish worksheets, kids who are playing instead of working, and kids teaching themselves on the computer. I also remember one of the older girls being asked what her favorite books were when they visited the PUBLIC school and she drew a blank until finally blurting out the title of a fundie Christian book about waiting for your future husband. Oh, wait, she did use the jungle ride at Disney World as a teachable moment: AM-A-ZON, anyone?????

Luvmybabies, I have to disagree!!! You said this about Michelle, "Whenever we see her, she's always teaching, training, loving, holding, cleaning, organizing, planning etc. Because she delegates, even a lot, with this, doesn't transfer the responsibility of parenthood to their shoulders." I've seen her with My Brest Friend strapped to her with a baby flopping around, but I don't see her loving on the kids (remember the dentist office?), she doesn't do the cooking or the laundry,.......just what does she do? She wasn't even holding a kid's hand when she was preaching about safety on the MARTA system. When Jackson was lost in the airport, she didn't bat an eye...she let everyone else panic. When Jackson was found, it was a sister that he clung to and who comforted him.

NYMomof4 said...

I also agree 100% with luvmybabies. The Duggar girls are NOT raising their mother's children. They are learning responsibility and contributing to the family. Everyone helps each other. I don't see anything wrong with that, especially in a large family.
I have only 4 children but I try to foster the same sense of helping each other in my family. I'm proud that my children don't hesitate to help each other and take responsibility for some of each other's needs. Also, none of my kids will ever be spoiled because Mom and Dad run to the rescue every time they want something.
I happen to live in an area with many large families because of religious affiliations, and I see the same dynamic in action all the time. Older children help take care of the younger children.
I really don't understand why people think this is a bad idea! It's not like Michelle and Jim Bob are goofing off or not at home with their family while the older kids are slaving from dusk to dawn.

Judy said...

Lela:

I agree that homeschooling can be a fabulous way to obtain an education, and many homeschooled children do very well onece they go on to higher education.

I *think* that the homeschooling that has been portrayed on the show makes some people a little uncomfortable, though. For example, Michelle Duggar said an interview that she had time to do the interview because her teen year old daughter was essentially the "coordinator" of the children's work. I would think you'd want someone beyond a teen supervising the homeschooling.

jonandkatewho? said...

Got To Be A Joke said...

The TLC Website now has photos of Michelle & daughter-in-law Anna, standing next to each other, showing off their baby-bumps.

We get it already ! Enough !
Good grief, I'm going to throw up now.

9/03/2009 6:13 PM
_______________________________
OMG! Thanks for the warning, I know not to go there... as if I would anyway.

That's not cute at all. Not at ALL.

Please tell me they aren't smiling with their hands on their bellies!

ANNA said...

Lela- I don't think most people here are bashing homeschooling. I think they are bashing Michelle being the teacher. She has no qualifications that anyone can see (and I agree we do not know everything about her). There are so many kids at so many levels, how can she possible do a good job teaching all these kids plus run a huge household? The little we have seen seems chaotic at best. Hardly a good learning environment. And it appears that most of the 'schoolwork' is done using online teaching programs, especially for the older kids. It just doesn't look to me like it is a very effective teaching method and I think the kids are being shortchanged. They are getting the bare minimum of an education.

Ancient of Days said...

Lela said:

I wish that those who are not there to actually witness the Duggar family's education would stop badmouthing an education method they obviously know nothing about.
_______________

It's obvious from the way you express yourself that your parents did a good job with your homeschooling. I know nothing about their level of preparation for the task nor their daily performance of it, but it's bound to have been high. I do know something about the Duggar parents, though, since I've seen and heard them many times. I'm dismayed at their lack of intellectual curiosity and their inability to express themselves in more than received phrases, and I wonder how their children will ever get a grasp on higher-order critical thinking skills. The kids can acquire facts later, if they so desire; it's how they process that information that matters, and I just can't envision their knowing how to "chew on" what they've learned by rote. They're being indoctrinated rather than encouraged to think for themselves.

By the way, I'm a seasoned academic, so I'm not just pulling this out of thin air. I've taught at respected universities and yet had students who could regurgitate much more easily than they could cogitate. That said, I'm not advocating for higher education for the Duggar offspring. I simply want them to be able to act thoughtfully as well as react emotionally.

Ancient of Days said...

When I used the word "regurgitate" in my previous post, I was talking about the students' handling of facts, and not about their reacting to drinking. Now that I mention it, though . . . . :)

NYMomof4 said...

Anonymous said: I am really surprised to see how supportive some of the posters are here. This is just my opinion, but I truly feel there is something just wrong about their lifestyle. Procreating new life is an honor and should not be treated so grossly casual.
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The Duggars say that they view each child as a gift from God and that is why they don't practice birth control. That does not sound "grossly casual" to me.

I do have some issues with how sheltered the children are and their lack of education (not against homeschooling in general, though!), but I really admire the way this family treasures their children.

Beth said...

I concur on the homeschooling issue. I know plenty of people do a great job with homeschooling. It's not homeschooling itself that is problematic. It is the Duggar's version of homeschooling which seems chaotic at best and pretty liberal with what scientific facts are (trip to Creation Museum anyone?. As a community college math teacher, I don't park my students in front of a computer in order to teach them math and if I did, most people would say that I wasn't doing my job. I would agree with them and wouldn't want my son to learn it that way either. I would think that the point of homeschooling for most people is the ability to personalize instruction. But for the Duggars it seems to be more focused on controlling the information that their children have access to rather than exposing them to the world at large and critical thinking.
And of course, it leaves the older children available during the day to help take care of the younger ones.

Anonymous said...

Lela said...

"In our day and age, unfortunately, spelling and grammar is not regarded highly by the younger generations, so I would not put Joshua's syntax errors on a website as your main source for how well educated they are. "

Lela, as someone of Josh's generation, I must object to this. I would NEVER, EVER publish a website promoting my business with spelling and/or grammar errors. Correct spelling and grammar are part of being a professional, something I've learned through my public education (K-12, undergraduate, and graduate school). I know that grammar and spelling does not come easily to everyone, and if this is the case for Josh, then he should recognize that and have someone who is gifted in this area proofread and edit for him. Now, I'm not making any generalizations about homeschooling. Homeschooling can be done well. But, I would ask that you not make all-encompassing generalizations about "the younger generalizations."

Thanks!

Ancient of Days said...

Beth said:

But for the Duggars it seems to be more focused on controlling the information that their children have access to rather than exposing them to the world at large and critical thinking.
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Nicely expressed. I was so focused on HOTS (higher-order thinking skills) that I forgot to mention the lack of exposure to the world "somewhere out there." I am abashed.

Thanks.

La Antigua

AppleAnnie said...

Didn't Michelle's OBGYN advise against another pregnancy?

roddma said...

No Apple Annie not this obgyn Amy Savre or something or another They changed docs three or four times afte rbeing told to stop about four kids ago. The kid(James I think) with the B sheet was at the proper level for his age. Why do working mothers get attacked all the time? Some have to put food on the table somehow.They do not have a 7000 sq foot home or a show on tv The working mother of these kids uses sense enough to stop bringing more kids in the world.I dont see a problem with a mother working if it is neccessary. I read one Fundamnetalist/QF blog who wrote an open letter to working mothers. It said for them to like move into a smaller home, How ironic she tell them to move in a smaller home when the Duggars live in 7000 sq foot. She also told them to keep kids out of sports, piano, ballet.The Duggar kids play piano and violin but a working mother cant allow her kids too?She tells them to drive cheaper automobiles. If this mothers kids are such blessings why is she wasting time attacking working mothers instead of spenidng it with them?

roddma said...

Name suggestions
Girls
Judith
Jacey
Jade
Jenilee
Jessica similar to Jessa but Johanna and Joyanna are similar too
Jewel
Julia (cant beleive they havent thought of this one)
Jubilee
Jorgina

J for boys
Judson
Jerome
Jermaine
Jude
Jonah
Jethro
Jor-el(Supermans Kryptonian father0

SuzanneDeAZ said...

"Judy has left a new comment on the post "And baby makes 19!":

Did it creep anyone else out that Josh used the word "train" to explain how you raise children? "

Why should that term creep anyone else since it is a biblical term. We are exhorted to train up our children in the ways of the Lord and they will not depart from it. It certainly does NOT creep me out.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

If the teen knows the curriculum and knows the kids they certainly can supervise the work. My dream was to train the older girls to help me teach the younger ones when I homeschooled. In the public schools they often pair older kids from other classes to younger kids. Multi age pairing is very common even in a public school system.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

As far as the buddy system is concerned it seems that the older children fight to be the buddy of the newer children as they are allowed to be paired up. I know when I grew up my mom took in other people's children to care for weeks at a time and I loved to be their older buddy. Even the younger kids are now looking forward to pairing up with an older one to take on an infant. They have groups of one teen, one middle age child to care for a toddler. It seems the system works for them.

Lela said...

Anonymous said...
Lela, as someone of Josh's generation,...But, I would ask that you not make all-encompassing generalizations about "the younger generalizations.

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I wasn't trying to sound like I thought everyone in the internet generation were lackadaisical when it came to properly formulating their words. On the contrary, I'm in the same generation as they are, as you are. Of course there are a great many young people who still make an effort to type properly. I was simply pointing out that in the age of "l33t sp34k" and text messages, we are vastly outnumbered.


As for the other replies in regards to homeschooling:

JimmyCrackCorn, I’ve watched the show for years now, so that is not the issue. I remind you that, unlike another family, the Duggars spend more time off camera than they do on.

Judy, while I agree with several of your points, the idea of having a "teen coordinator" does not worry me so much. There have been many situations during which my older siblings would oversee the work of my younger siblings while my mother was busy doing something else. This didn’t mean that they were the teachers; it just meant that they were making sure the work got done when my mother couldn't. At the end of the day though, she still went over the work to make sure it was done properly.

ANNA, my mother had no degree in teaching. In fact, she had no degree at all and openly said she learned right along with her children. I agree, as I already said, that the kids are getting a lackluster education, but not because of the reasons you said. The large household (we had half as many children as the Duggars in my family, but I still consider that large when I think about the grades my mother was teaching) and the online resources can be used effectively. I believe the problem is the ideology. JB and Michelle simply don't want their children to have a full education in the way we think of it. That is why the children are so shortchanged.


In all, I still find myself questioning their schooling once the cameras are gone. I have to wonder whether or not the situation is the same, or if TLC is manipulating scenarios (not that they would ever do that) to cater to the portion of the audience who only tune in because they think JB and Michelle are insane. TLC also has made it clear that they enjoy making the Duggar family uncomfortable on camera (the Ethiopian restaurant, to name a recent example) so it is entirely possible that they've taken the absolute worst parts to put on camera. In all reality, we have no idea how much of the show is scripted, so I'm still going to hold out and say that while, yes, they have obviously not received an all-encompassing education, it is entirely possible that they "get down to business" once TLC is off the property.

Love the Duggars said...

Congrats to the Duggars! I am so happy for them, they love children and it shows. If they were not fit parents God would not continue to bless them like this. They may not do things the way our society thinks they should, but I admire them most for being who they are, letting the world see that, and being proud of it. Too often in America, the land of the free, we buckle and want to live by standards, of what kind of car, and job etc. They have paved their own road, and are walking the walk. I really do not see how we can critisize them for being good people.

Anyway..... I am raising 2 daughters, and this family and their solid life are a great representative for them.

Jade would be a great girl name! or Jada!

Good Luck Michelle!

Love the Duggars said...

sora said...
Ever notice how Michelle doesn't actually look after the little ones - she buddies them up with the older kids. She does the nursing but that is it, both she and Jim Bob have lots of free time for themselves.
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Not attacking, but really? Jim Bob and Michelle have lots of free time for themselves? COme on. Michelle Homeschools all the children. Yes they are buddied, but every child in every houshold should have a role, these kids do, and I bet they will be great assets to our world. Unlike other kids that are taught that the moon and the stars are all for them. UGH!

NYMomof4 said...

SuzanneDeAZ said: In the public schools they often pair older kids from other classes to younger kids. Multi age pairing is very common even in a public school system.
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That's true at my daughters' Catholic school. They often pair the 7th-8th graders with the 1st and 2nd graders for both learning activities and fun projects, and all the kids really benefit and enjoy it.

Love the Duggars~~ said...

OK a couple more thoughts...

1. I rewatched the video to watch the older girls, and I agree that they are sort of stoney faced and what not. But if you think about it, how many people at that younge age face being live on the Today Show(yikes I would be shy), it was 6AM or earlier, and I dont think that they can hear what is going on unless they have an ear piece and I cant imagine that they all do. Usually its just the people that will be asked a question and that was only Jim Bob, Michelle, Josh and Anna. So I know that if I could not hear what was actually being said, I could not react either. Just my thoughts here, I know they know the gist of the interview, but you cant respond if you cant hear what is being said.

2. Yeah I think Josh is very lame and wants to be the center of attention, but he is also 21. I know I was immature at that age, and I had already had my first daughter. Josh will get over it.

3. Their vow renewal. WOW! That is great! 25 years is a huge mile stone! I really think they did it for the right reasons. Why not say yes to something like that even if TLC pays for it? Who cares? As long as it is real to them! Really I dont think anyone would have very much negative to say if those other idiots had not just made a sham of marriage, vow renewal and parenting. I think we need to stop comparring them to Jon and Kate Gosselin, they are so many light years different.

Again, I dont agree with everything the Duggars do, but I do have to say that I think they are pointed in the right direction, and doing what they think is right for their family. They are good people, and I have said this alot, but they walk the walk. And I do think that is really important!

stopthemadness said...

They pair kids at shool one day a week for an hour. These kids are paired with a child to essentially raise, for the length of time that takes or until they break out.

I like how Duggar's are with the kids - and the fact that they haven't gone off the deep end a la Gosselin. However, there are serious issues with the size of that family and with those kids getting a GED at 16, no college, go run a ramily business. They clearly do not want these kids to have access to other information and people and beliefs. They are "training" them in ways that these older kids should be allowed to select or reject on their own.

The fact that the grown daughters had their teeth pulled and Jim Bob had to be in there coaching them and comforting them as the one at least was terrified? Come on. These girls are 17 and 19, they should be ok at dentist without clinging to dad and crying. They need to get out more.

MomOfThree said...

NYMomof4 said...

SuzanneDeAZ said: In the public schools they often pair older kids from other classes to younger kids. Multi age pairing is very common even in a public school system.
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That's true at my daughters' Catholic school. They often pair the 7th-8th graders with the 1st and 2nd graders for both learning activities and fun projects, and all the kids really benefit and enjoy it.

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This may be commonplace in many schools (though not at my children's) but are the older kids doing most of the teaching? Do they "teach" or "help" the younger students on a daily basis and for most/all of the younger kids lessons? Are the older kids responsible for grading their "buddy's" work done either by hand or on computer? And finally, how many schools use computer lessons exclusively, as the Duggars appear to do with the kids who are on a 2nd or 3rd grade level and above?

I have said it before, but I would really love to know just where the Duggar kids rate academically in comparison with kids in the state of Arkansas and the US.

Anonymous said...

More "J" names (some of these may have been given in earlier posts, I just didn't stop and read all of them

Boys:
Jory
Jerald
Jack
Jonas
Jonathan
Jarren (pronounced Garren)

Girl names:
Jemima (yes, like the syrup brand, this was my great-great grandma's name)
Jemma
Joelle
Jaylin
Janessa
Jazlin
Jolanda
Janella

Renee said...

Some posters have made comments about how the older girls are taking care of the younger children. I am not familiar with the ages of the Dugger children, but I believe the eldest daughters are almost old enough to get married or soon will be in a few years. Would the care of the youngest Dugger children then fall to the sons if there are no daughters around old enough to help out? I have only seen the daughters helping with the child care.

Willow #1 said...

Renee - I am with you. I am worried about Joy Anna when the older girls leave. She is in the middle there with all the boys!! Josiah and the twins better get their diapering skills ready!! I love the poster who mentioned the Bible verse about your children not departing from their ways. That is one I always thought about when raising my kids. And guess what, they did not depart their ways. I hope JB and M will remember that verse and give their kids a chance at something besides babysitting. I mean, trust their kids to have a career or whatever they want and still keep their faith. I guess, when the kids get married themselves, they can decide about their family sizes. After all, it will totally be their own decision at that point.

I'm with JimBob. I love Julie or Juliet (or Juliette). I love Jaylin, Jake and Jonah.

Peace and Love.

Call Me Cynical said...

I'm a bit irritated that Jim Bob has asked for help in naming the nineteenth child. If he's run out of names for his kids, maybe he should stop having children. It seems that it honors the child more to have the parent(s) come up with a name that has some personal significance than to foist the decision on others.

I know some of you are offering up names, and I realize that it's fun. I like to research sites myself just to see what certain names mean, as well how some have changed and some have endured over the years. I can't help thinking, though, that Jim Bob's making yet another plea for attention and using a "gimmick" to increase the show's viewership. He may think that, if we help with the name, then we feel a greater connection to the family and help fill their coffers by our watching.

Anonymous said...

I think, that Michelle & Jimbob should have stopped at 18. For various reasons: but the biggest one is health, before she got pregnant this time she was actually having fun with her kids, instead of standing in the side lines watching. I saw the reaction her kids gave her, when she joined in, it was wow mom can do that! Which is how it should be. I feel for thoses older kids, they are isolate,(living in the middle of no-where, no friends outside of their family, no-internet, TV etc) doing juriditions for life(till they get married)(like slavery) I would prefer them to have jobs outside the home and chores traded every week. Education should not be limited. If their religious up bringing is strong, Mom & Dad have nothing to worry about. JimBob & Michelle don't trust their kids. Yes, the world is a good place and a bad place, but you know it does not go away, if anything it will get worse. And they and everyone needs to be prepared for it, not sheltered from it.

Anonymous said...

Stopthemadness said...The fact that the grown daughters had their teeth pulled and Jim Bob had to be in there coaching them and comforting them as the one at least was terrified? Come on. These girls are 17 and 19, they should be ok at dentist without clinging to dad and crying. They need to get out more.

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Give me a break! Not many teenagers have undergone any kind of surgery, even if wisdom tooth removal is minor it's still scary for a lot of people. My best friend was 21 when her wisdom teeth were pulled and she had a full on panic attack and was asking for her mother, and she's a normal unsheltered young adult who had never experienced something like that. Their fear has nothing to do with a sheltered life, it's a common human reaction to something that for many people is stressful and scary!

Maggie said...

For now we are not using the "no anonymous" poster rule. We would really like it if you could pick a name. It helps us to know you and makes it easier for other posters to respond.

Please pick a name.

MK said...

What spelling/grammar errors has Josh made on his website?

octavia said...

Rory said...

As for names, for a girl I like Julia. I've seen a few people say this name. For boys, Jeremy is nice, but it's very close to Jeremiah.
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I don't they JB & M are too concerned about their kids' names sounding too close. Case in point: Joy Anna and Johanna.

I have to laugh when I see all the people suggesting names for the baby that the Duggars have already used, like Jason and Joseph. I can just imagine a scenario where JB & M go on the Today Show to announce the new baby's name, and they (accidentally) use one of the other kids' J names again. I can just see Jason or Joseph looking shocked as their name is announced as the new baby's name, and saying, "Hey, that's MY name!" LOL

MichelleToo said...

Someone said: "If they were not fit parents God would not continue to bless them like this."

OK, then how do you explain abused children everywhere? If God were in control there would be no abused/abandoned children. I believe in God but these children are a product of a fertile mommy and good "swimmers" from daddy.

Note: I do NOT think the D children are abused. Sheltered and limited in their "career" choices maybe...I am just speaking generally.

Training is for Dogs said...

Posted by luvmybabies: "Whenever we see her (Michelle), she's always teaching, training,...."

I didn't realize that children were animals that needed to be "trained". Thanks for clearing that up for me !

Taylor said...

Training is for Dogs said

I "teach" my dogs.

Taylor said...

MK said...
What spelling/grammar errors has Josh made on his website?

9/07/2009 11:12 PM
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Many

Anonymous said...

I think it will be another girl.I have always loved the names Jolee and Jara. They are names of two wonderful students I had the pleasure of teaching.
I think the Duggar children are wonderful, except for Josh, he is a tyrant in training. He needs to take some lessons for his brother John David. JD seems to be a lot more mature and more interested in serving others. Josh seems to be very immature and self serving. Poor Anna!! Do Michelle and JB not see they still need guide Josh and advise him his adult life. My Parents and Grandparents continue to guide and advise their children when they see the need. I believe we are never to old to benifit from the advise of our elders.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

By answering "many" but not giving specifics in errors just shows that most likely there are NO errors. They say this just to make them look like their homeschooling is not "all that".

Mrs. F said...

Congrats to the Duggars!

Bella, you said "And I know what their beliefs are, but have they considered the risks of all of these "later-in-life" pregnancies? The risk of Downs Syndrome and other genetic abnormalities is extremely high at a woman of Michelle's age."

Well, this is true, but have they done studies of women who have had large families? Michelle hasn't had as many menstrual cycles as the average woman, therefore fewer eggs shed. She still has the same amount of eggs as a woman half her age! Her eggs are still 42, but there's a lot more of them, so I wonder if that makes a difference?

I am curious as if she will be "allowed" to have a VBAC again, since she's had multiple c-sections. I can't find a place to take me after 2. SO many hospitals are banning them altogether, nevermind after multiple cesareans.

Brianna said...

As a product of home schooling I can tell you that parents don't play a very active role in teaching. My parents taught me how to read. After about third grade I was given my school kit at the beginning of the year and told to finish it. My Mom really only checked my work. I am a much more successful person because of this because I am self motivated, and know how to figure things out for myself. The majority of home schoolers I have met had similar experiences.

I think it's nearsighted to look down on internet lessons. My husband finished college online when he was in the Military. As long as it's an accredited school going to actual classes isn't "better" it's just a different way of learning and it's looking like it may become the new norm.

luvmybabies said...

Dear Training is for Dogs:

Of course children need trained. Ever hear of toilet-training? Or of children being trained up in the way they should go(from the scriptures)? How about an aspiring Olympian being trained by an Olympic coach? Or medical training to become a doctor? It is no insult to children to say they are trained. Every child is trained in something. That is the way we form our habits when we are young.

Also, the word "train", in the dictionary, is defined, among other things, as "to teach". I don't think anyone can dispute that this is what we do with children. And adults, for that matter.

Crystal said...

jimmycrackcorn said...

How long have you watched the show, Lela? We have been allowed to peep into the Duggars' educational world plenty of times! We have seen academic chaos involving bouncing toddlers, distracted students, misplaced workbooks, kids coloring babyish worksheets, kids who are playing instead of working, and kids teaching themselves on the computer.

Umm, that's public school too. i used to teach 4th grade and K-5 reading and with 30 kids in one small room it's a lot worse than what you see at the Duggars.

Beth said...

I disagree with the description that public school is as chaotic as the Duggar household. I used to volunteer in my son's class during elementary school and it was very organized and orderly. While they did learn computer skills, they were only on the computer a few hours a week. The class size also was only 22, not 30.
I don't have a problem with children learning to be self-motivated and working independently. I went to an elementary school with this type of program. But, and this is where I completely disagree with the Duggars, we had access to a variety of resources in order to learn. We had a library filled with books, a teacher who was knowledgable, and each other. By restricting what their children have access to beyond age-appropriate guidelines, the Duggars are limiting their education. I expect my son to know not just what we think and why, but other views held by people and why they believe what they do. Certainly we believe our views to be correct, but we acknowledge that others who disagree with us also think they have good reasons for their views and they frequently do. This allows my son to see the world as it really is, rather than an edited version where there is one right answer to every question.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

"Umm, that's public school too. i used to teach 4th grade and K-5 reading and with 30 kids in one small room it's a lot worse than what you see at the Duggars.

I agree. I have seen all that has been mentioned in public school as well and worse. Busy work often is given with dittos the same quality as the one with the letter "b".

three is engough said...

The biggest thing that I found disturbing with "The Wedding" was when J&A exchanged their vows and one of them was to allow God to determine the number of children they would have. Wedding vows are a serious commitment and what is said shouldn't be said or taken lightly, so what happens if after two or three children you come to realize this quiverful thing isn't for you? You made a vow "in the sight of God", how do you go back on that? It's one thing to make that choice between prospective husband and wife, but to include it as part of your wedding vows? Talk about a potential major guilt trip!!!!

leeroy said...

three is engough said...
The biggest thing that I found disturbing with "The Wedding" was when J&A exchanged their vows and one of them was to allow God to determine the number of children they would have. Wedding vows are a serious commitment and what is said shouldn't be said or taken lightly, so what happens if after two or three children you come to realize this quiverful thing isn't for you? You made a vow "in the sight of God", how do you go back on that? It's one thing to make that choice between prospective husband and wife, but to include it as part of your wedding vows? Talk about a potential major guilt trip!!!!
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I have been to many Catholic weddings (I myself am not Catholic) but that is one of the things they vow is to accept all children from God.... its not just the Duggars religion or their own belief...

luvmybabies said...

I may be the lone voice of dissent here, but to me it's interesting that so much is being made of the Duggars' homeschool curriculum being "lacking", and people comparing it to the education from the public schools.

Our nation's public schools aren't exactly known for being stellar, academically or otherwise. This is regularly reported in the media and much talked about and documented. I think back on my own public school experience, and I can honestly say I remember learning almost NOTHING, except daily anxiety from social situations, friends, boys, feeling accepted or not, and the like. I have a handful of scattered memories of a few things learned from one or two excellent teachers, that's it. I don't think this is due to me lacking intelligence either, as after high school, I went on to a university and graduated with Honors with a Bachelor of Science in Nursing. My public school district was not low-income or in a "bad" area. Our nation's public school system just doesn't impress the heck out of me. I actually think it would have been lovely to learn at home in a safe environment, surrounded by family members who loved me.

I have looked at the ATI curriculum, and the Switched-on Schoolhouse computer programs, which are what the Duggars use, out of curiosity. I was actually very impressed with the content, scope and sequence of the material. It certainly blows out of the water anything I ever received in my public school education. The ATI stuff is very heavily bible-based, a little over the top, IMO, on linking absolutely everything with Bible topics, but the educational content was very impressive.

If the Duggar children are using this curriculum to its potential, and it appears they are, then it looks to me like they may be receiving an education superior to public schooling. I'm sure there are gaps, but then again, there are gaps, I would venture to say even huge ones, in many children's public education. Obviously, this is anecdotal evidence based on my own public school experience, and I'm sure there are many who disagree with me and feel their public education was thorough and excellent.

The important thing with education is to learn HOW and WHY to learn, not just WHAT you learn. After all, it's not possible to learn everything there is to know during high school years, or even college or graduate school. It isn't necessary for the Duggars' curriculum to cover everything under the sun for it to be an adequate education. Public schooling doesn't either.

mariposa7684 said...

never mind that michelle does very little raising of the younger kids; that the older girls who have talents beyond cooking, cleaning, and "buddying up" aren't encouraged to get out there in the world--their family leaves a tremendous carbon footprint. i don't celebrate the, that's for sure.

luvmybabies said...

Ah, the "carbon footprint". I know families with one and two children that are wasteful and materialistic, who I'd bet dollars to donuts make a much larger carbon footprint than the Duggars do. The clothing the Duggars buy is all from thrift shops, so it's recycled. This goes for their home furnishings also, since they only bought used furniture and decor before living in their new home. According to their book, they also make their own laundry soap and baby wipes. The packaging they save by doing this would be significant. Their children don't appear to have the piles and piles of unnecessary toys that the small families I know do. They live frugal and relatively simple lives.

No matter how many people in a family, we all have a responsibility to not be wasteful. Just because a family is small doesn't necessarily mean they're environmentally friendly. Nor does being a large family automatically mean an obscenely large "carbon footprint."

Not everyone believes the earth is overpopulated and that families larger than two children are damaging the planet.

Mrs P said...

Not to mention that they are raising 19 people that will contribute BACK to the planet and be productive in society, making the world a better place.

While I believe we should conserve, recycle, and not litter, etc. our family is not overzealous in this. We certainly aren't going to limit our family b/c someone decided God was bringing too many babies into the world. (rolling eyes here)

Mrs.P

Taylor said...

SuzanneDeAZ

A quick glance...

The decision to trust God with our family size is based on our desire to serve God with every decision of our life.

Should be lives.

Retitled is not a word

The others I'll chalk up to the way people speak in a region of the country.

After a quick glance at ONLY the welcome page, I'll change my answer from "many" to "some". I have no desire to wade through the entire site.

roddma said...

Training" is taken way out of context here like "To train up a Child" by the Pearls which borders child abuse. So training in this sense means hitting or "switching" them. One part of the book even recommends to trip a non-swimming infant to make them fall in deep water. This is no way to treat a 'blessing'.

I think the problem with homeschooling is the lack of real science.

no Michelle literally doesnt put her feet ont he couch but(I may catch some flack here) but If you can barely function without your older kids you may need to quit having them.

Jenna and Jamie are too close to Jennifer and James

Taylor said...

SuzanneDeAZ

Having slept on my comment, I realize it was an unnecessary. I don't particularly like Josh. I read many blogs, and the grammar and spelling on many of the are atrocious. I'd take a guess that the great majority of the posters have not been home-schooled. There. I've cleared my conscious. Thanks for bringing my attention to a moment of stupidity.

Swissmiss said...

As far as the Duggars buying second-hand, several years ago, TLC (or someone) spent about $25,000 helping them finally finish the new house on which the family had been working for about three years.

They also helped furnish it and also gave them a decorator. I'm sure everything from this project was brand-new.

I do recall Michelle explaining they have two kitchens - one 'regular' kitchen and one commercial-style kitchen for when they host large groups. A store closed in their area, and they got commercial-style kitchen equipment very cheaply.

Anonymous said...

About the carbon footprint, how many thousands of diapers do think are in the landfill from all those kids?

luvmybabies said...

It is true that diapers are an environmental problem. I don't have much of a case for you there. Cloth and disposables both have about the same environmental impact when you factor in the solid waste in the landfill(disposable diapers account for about 2% of landfill waste) versus the energy and water needed to manufacture and launder cloth.

All I can say is that for a family that firmly believes God wants them to have each child they have, the diaper dilemma is not going to be a significant consideration for them. I'm speaking for myself also. I believe that God wants each of my children to be here, so I can't not have them because of diapers in the landfill. We just have to try to make up for it in other ways. For instance, discarded clothing comprises a much larger percentage of landfill waste than diapers do, plus saving on energy to manufacture new clothing, and the Duggars are great at that.

Also, we are the most intelligent creatures on earth, plus the wealthiest and most technologically advanced nation in the world. You can't tell me that we can't develop a biodegradable disposable diaper that is environmentally friendly AND reasonably affordable. The huge diaper corporations want to continue to manufacture their diapers using the cheapest materials possible for the highest profit margin. The profit mark-up on diapers is huge. I think this is just a situation waiting for consumers to demand that the manufacturers change.

Also too, Michelle has breastfed each of her children for at least a few months. Breastfeeding is much more environmentally friendly than bottle-feeding. The energy from Michelle's body is passed on directly to her baby with no waste or packaging. And no additional energy or waste was needed to manufacture bottles, formula, and packing.

I know the diapers are still a problem, but you've got to admit that in many other ways, the Duggars are much less hostile to the environment than a lot of small families are, as well as some single people.

Like I said, in my own very humble opinion, it isn't a reason to limit family size. I know many, many people disagree with me on this.

Anonymous said...

Heating and AC in that enormous house is expensive and taxing to the environment. The Duggars buy pre-packaged food and often use paper plates. For 20 people, this is extreme waste. I like that Michelle breastfeeds, but the diapers are not the only problem environmentally with a family that size. Not to mention the vehicles they drive which each get about two miles to the gallon.

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Mrs P said...

On the show where they moved in, they showed their heating is supplied by a 'green' heater, a wood burning furnace.

Mrs P

luvmybabies said...

True about the "green" heating system.

I'm not saying the Duggars have NO carbon footprint. Of course they do. We all do. Even most of the "greenest" among us are still doing things that aren't friendly to the environment, out of necessity. We've all heard about Vice President Al "An Inconvenient Truth" Gore flying around the country in his private jet burning who knows how many gallons of jet fuel an hour. The President flies in Air Force One that uses enormous amounts of jet fuel. My point is, our country's way of life currently uses fossil fuels and most of us discard things. All of us do this, including the Duggars, but there are many things the Duggars are doing to minimize their "carbon footprint".

Every family has to minimize their "carbon footprint", regardless of how many children they have. It just isn't true that if your family has two children or less, that your environmental impact is manageable. Even if the government limited us to two kids each, we would still destroy the planet doing what we're doing.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - I'd bet dollars to donuts that the Duggars' "carbon footprint" is less than a lot of families one-ninth their size.

Our country is very slowly changing to become greener, but meanwhile we're all using fossil fuels, etc. I don't think anyone should be pointing fingers at the Duggars.

Anonymous said...

Most people in the US do not live in a gigantic house like the Duggars, or drive buses, huge vans, or Suburbans. They have about five cars, and I have never seen a Prius! Plus, using all that prepackaged food and paper plates does impact the environment, especially when one considers that it is x 20. A family of four would make a quarter to fifth the waste. My family of five doesn't eat prepackaged food or use paper plates. I wash all cloth napkins and towels, so we don't use paper towels or napkins either.

If the Duggars did any of this, their waste would be much less. They do make much more waste than an average sized, much smaller family, if only by the sheer number of people.

Jasmine

Elizabeth said...

I think it's kind of silly to rag on the Duggars for their carbon footprint. They may have a 7000 sq foot house, but there are 20 people living in it. Many families of 4 live in houses only half or a third that size. And since they homeschool and don't do extracurricular activities, they aren't driving to as many places as average families do. But obviously they are going to create a lot of waste based on their numbers. I too would like it if they used less packaged food and made more from scratch, but that's a lot of work on a daily basis. And using paper plates may be wasteful, but running the dishwasher 10 times a day uses a lot of energy too! There are arguments for both sides obviously.

The other argument i find silly is the overpopulation one. That's really only a problem in the developing world. In the western world we have more than enough resources for everyone, and in many countries (especially western Europe) the population is in decline because people aren't having enough kids to replace themselves. These places are soon going to be facing population crises, according to the experts, so I don't see the problem with a few families having tons of kids. As long as they can afford it and aren't relying on government handouts, why shouldn't they?

luvmybabies said...

Washing cloth napkins and towels creates gallons of wastewater and uses energy and resources. The same debate as what goes on with cloth vs. disposable diapers. It's my understanding that many paper plates are biodegradable, unless they are the polystyrene or plastic kind. But then there is the energy used to make them and haul them off. Same with cloth napkins and towels too.

Jasmine - We can debate the details all day. As I said, I am aware that the Duggars use resources and have an impact on the environment. However, from the info you shared, it sounds as if your family is much more environmentally conscious than the average family. Most families (most of whom are relatively small) are not. Especially the ones I know. There seems to be a school of thought that it's only families with more than two kids that are damaging the environment, so if you have just two you're being socially responsible and you're off the hook, consequently there is little attention paid to waste and consumption. Like I said, many small families I have observed are not as careful as the Duggars are, and waste and consume much more.

All I'm saying is that the Duggars, while not perfect, obviously make an effort to minimize their environmental impact. And I do have a bias here, as I have a large family myself. It irks me when people tell me we are enviromentally irresponsible for having our children, and that their existence (beyond the approved two) here on the planet is a damaging burden. It's my belief that it's not the size of your family, it's the choices each family makes to do their part to sustain the environment that will make the difference.

frugalchicken said...

If the family went out and bought a prius brand new wouldn't that be using unnecesary resources-they buy used and therefore their clothes, autos, baby equipment are all getting a second life-no new resources to be used, no electricity to produce them, no fuel to deliver them- I'd say that cuts their carbon footprint down quite a bit. I'd like to know the environmental impact of disposable versus cloth diapers and the paper plate versus washing plates though.

smore said...

Yeah I have to agree.. I think the Duggars conserve more than the average family (per person, that is.)

They have a green heater, they use major hand-me-downs and used clothing/shoes, Josh sells used cars. They even buy used beds. They probably don't get newspapers at their house (too worldly). And, I bet the kids are trained to take super quick showers so everyone can get some hot water!

There may be a lot of them, but I think they're doing a great job of conserving for their size.

Anonymous said...

Elizabeth - ITA, I think the "overpopulation" thing is overstated, too. This topic is like a dead horse being beaten into the ground these days. What are we, China?

Anonymous said...

In the paper today it said that 27.4 billion diapers are thrown out in America each year and they can take 500 years to decompose. It also said 1/3 of food is thrown out due to spoilage or nonuse. Ours isn't the only wasteful country. In China they use 25 million trees to produce 45 billion pairs of disposable chopsticks.

chinachick said...

As an American who has lived in China in 2001-2, I have to share some of my observations on the trash situation. (It's slightly off topic and I appologize, but all the talk about waste got me thinking)

The town I lived in was not a "tourist" city and few foreigners ever came there. I was an oddity to be exclaimed over. Perhaps my experience was unusual and other towns do not have these occurrances, but I will simply share what I saw.

The garbage situation in our town was out of control, the city didn't have regular pick-up and piles of refuse would sit for days on the streets. The people do not use garbage bags to dispose of their trash, they simply empty the cans out onto the sidewalk. The rats ran wild and were the size of small cats.

Babies in my part of China did not wear diapers. They wore special outfits with an opening at bottom. The parents would simply hold the child out to let nature do its thing. The streets were covered with the leavings of small children. The stench was overwhelming.

The diaper issue is a double edged sword. If all of those children had worn diapers, the piles of dirty ones would have soon overwhelmed the town. However, the not-wearing of diapers was a definite health hazard. If you have ever seen a big fat rat waddle brazenly down the street in the middle of the afternoon (and nobody screams or even thinks this is unusual) you have the potential for incredible and bizarre diseases that are practically unknown in the west.

Anonymous said...

I am the oldest child in a large family. We had the buddy system too and I loved it. I had my own 'baby' to take care of and I learned alot about life, babies and children. It just made sense to have a buddy system. I even got up at night to bring the 'my' baby to Mom to nurse and then put baby back to bed. I still got to date and do after school things. Sometimes I would switch off with a sister or Mom would take over. I cannot tell you how many times I've helped sick kids throw up. It was whoever was there, was there to help. I agree with the post about Josh. Why does Anna lean her head on him all the time? She's always attched to him and I wonder if he's a control freak. Good thing he doesn't want a bunch of kids.

Anonymous said...

The bottom line with the Duggars is that their convictions led them to this decision and they are providing for their family... at least our tax dollars aren't supporting them...look at the silver lining. Also, they seem to be very decent people with well mannered children. How many mothers and fathers do you know with one children who can neither provide for them or keep them in line?

Congrats to the Duggars on this new blessed addition.

AmyK

Rory said...

The Duggar kids are very well mannered and show their parents a lot of respect. I'm a teacher and trust me, it's not something you see very often anymore. It's sad that some people don't want to or cannot discipline their children. They're just doing their kids an injustice.

Anonymous said...

I hope the Duggars will finally take some responsibility for their actions by switching to green diapers which are better and easier than cloth but not as bad as disposable diapers. With # 19 on the way, I can easily believe the Duggars have created one entire landfill of diapers from all the years of accepting the children God chooses to send

Duggars please, think about the rest of us who share the world and go green with your grandchild and # 19 diapering options! We thank you....

Alice said...

Only a non-homeschooler would think twice about the girls caring for the babies and the housework. It just the way we operate! Most teenagers would throw a fit, but they have been trained (by default) to appreciate their friends more than their families. Your allegiance will lie with the people you spend your time with.

My teens, like Michelle's, fight over the baby. We had to make a schedule to see who could sit by the baby in the car years ago! All my teens do diapers, baths, help with meals, do dishes (down to the polished countertop), laundry, vacuuming, sweeping, dusting, car cleaning...and they're BOYS. They are teaching those little ones how to be servants. Serving others is where the Duggars excel. So the carbon footprint issue is ridiculous. Someday these kids will be feeding, clothing, sheltering and counseling the poor and needy of this world. And all because their parents knew what mattered most.

I do hope TLC is still around when they start moving out. The proof is in the pudding, and how delicious God's fruit will be!!!

Anonymous said...

Im Happy for the Duggars if thats what they wont many kids Its the raising of them all and what the kids that are older have to go thru taking care of them I say give it a rest its like the Bee hives with Miss Queen bee having her babies and thats all she wonts is to produce them for everyone to take care of I never see her hugging the older children just nursing them with a pillow around her 24 K time will tell what really happens to them and how sane they really are later down the line its all for show right now making money off all these kids I just dont think in this time that people should be having so many kids its not like the old days when they needed them to farm the land but if they can pull it off so be it!!they are wonderful people I feel maybe this can happen for them !!