Josie Is Home - Again

People article.

People article June 28.

Just a note from me: we are not sending comments about milk allergy through as lactose intolerance is not the same thing as a milk allergy.

102 comments:

Anonymous said...

I'm not sure to make of the current story of Lactose intolerance. I'm sure it is possible, but after knowing several mom that have had babies with this issue, it was very easily diagnosed and after finding the right forumlas and later on foods, was not a 2 moth NICU issue. I hope it is not an exucse for Michelle if she is already pregnant or is trying to get pregnant to say Josie can't use my milk anyways, or to downplay her problems so having number #20 does not get a public blacklash.

As for Dr Arrington, I hope he is not just saying what the Duggars or TLC wants him to. I have rwad the blog of the mother that Michelle prayed with on who had a baby with similiar issues. That family did not seem happy with the care their baby got.

Welcome Home Josie said...

I'm glad Josie is home. I hope that a nurse will be stopping by on a regular basis to help with her care. Each of my kids were exclusively breastfed for the first 6 months, and we had issues with each one over the dairy I consumed that was passed on in my breastmilk. My youngest was the worst--I couldn't have any dairy products whatsoever...not even minor traces in things. I ended up using coconut milk (don't like soy) as well as a lot of vegan products. Thankfully, she outgrew it around 1 year.

Still, LI as an explanation for Josie's issues does not make sense at all. What about the big MRI and surgery she's supposed to have when she hits 8 pounds? LI may be uncomfortable, but I've never heard of it requiring surgery.

We're still not getting the full story--which wouldn't bother me if I thought they were doing it to protect Josie's privacy. But all of these red herrings don't fly with me either.

Midwest Mom said...

From the article: ""We're going to wait and see how it all goes," says Michelle. "We're going to take it easy and hang out close to the hospital."

Small correction, Michelle is the one taking it easy while the older daughters do all of the work.

Leslie said...

Yup...Something smells fish to me, too. What happened to the People article a couple weeks ago taking about ligaments that are supposed to hold her stomach, etc., in place being weak/missing & her needing surgery & things? Now it's just lactose intolerance? Mmmkay. And there goes Dr. Arrington again, saying she'll be just like any full-term baby. Not hardly...At least not for quite some time. Something tells me I wouldn't want my baby in that hospital or under his care if I were in the Duggar's position. But, at any rate, I wish little Josie the best, & I hope things turn out well for her.

abbey said...

I'd like to be cautious about criticizing Dr. Arrington. Most likely, he was assigned to the Duggars because he is a good physician. The Duggars are high-profile, so everything he does will be scrutinized by everyone in the hospital. In addition, as others have noted, he can release no information that is not authorized by the Duggars. I'm reluctant to cast him as an incompetent yokel under these circumstances.

I'm more inclined to think that TLC/Duggars are orchestrating the scenario and Dr. A is merely a bit player.

Anonymous said...

I think we need to be careful in our reactions to the diagnosis of LI. From what I read, LI is normally associated with diarhea, not constipation. If indeed Josie has LI, then her constipation would have led the doctors to believe the opposite. Not all patients present with typical symptoms for their ailments. Maybe Josie had/has other problems that masked the LI. If this is the case, we can't be too judgmental of Dr A. It seems that micro preemies are very hard to take care of and Dr A and his team have had great success with lots of babies. I don't think he deserves the harsh criticism being dished out.

Anonymous said...

I see no reason NOT to criticize D. Arrington. If he couldn't figure out Josie's "lactose intolerance" in six months of the NICU, he needs his license revoked.

Also, the story doesn't hang together. I think Ma Duggar is cooking up #20, and the family wants the viewing public to think all is hunky dory with little Josie as they neglect her to her buddy while smooching and incubating the next J'child.

homeAgain said...

Must've missed this latest news. Well, wonder how long this will last. Sorry but that is how I feel, I continue to fear for that child, and I DO mean Fear.

msrylee said...

I agree with Abbey that Dr. A. is probably "playing" his role for TLC/Duggars. I feel both angry and sad that because the Duggars are high-profile, any physician/medical staff are therefore judged and scrutinized. Whether Dr. A. is a competent doctor, I have no idea. Also, I believe that most of the "story" about Josie is being withheld or down-played, and the entire truth has not been told (or may never be told).

No matter what I think, I will continue to pray for this blessing.

Anonymous said...

Welcome home Josie! (again) I hope she gets to stay at home now.

Exactly what day did she come home?

Anonymous said...

I'm so happy for Josie and the rest of the family. God bless them and the fantastic medical professionals that through the grace of god saved her life!

Anonymous said...

I do hope that Josie continues to grow and thrive, but fear for her continued safety in a house where, let's face it, it'd be easy to be trampled underfoot by other family members. Unless she's getting a room to herself I see a lot of potentially dangerous situations with someone so small and frail being passed around the house. The Duggar children may not comprehend that she's not like their other babies and much more frail.

I must admit that my first thought when I saw all that breast milk stored up was that Michelle was planning to shuffle Josie into the mix - ie. give her to her sisters to be bottle-fed. I can't see why else she'd be stocking up so much breast milk, if not because she doesn't want/won't be able to do the feeding herself.

and, yes, I do fear that there's a 20th Duggar on the way. All we can do is send our best wishes and prayers that things turn out well.

Anonymous said...

@Joanne - I have *no* doubt that the Duggars are controlling everything and anything that gets out to the press/TLC about Josie's medical conditions and wouldn't put it past them to downplay anything that might show their daughter in a less-than-perfect light.

After all, these are God-chosen Christians doing their duty of multiplying like rabbits. If, after 18 other children one is less than perfect, whose fault is that?

Remember JB's bragging about how physically perfect his children are. Hardly sick, not a disability among them, not even asthma. His male ego must be taking a battering by having a preemie show up in the middle of his preaching the perfection of his beliefs.

There's a lot going on here that we probably won't see until one of the children does a tell-all book or the show goes off the air and the producers release the truth. I doubt we'll ever see the reality of the Duggar lifestyle on air.

bonehead said...

To the person who is getting turned off by the Duggars of God, ignore the Duggar thinking. I look at it from this point of view: God gave Doctors/Nurses etc knowledge to save and possibly cure the rest of us. The Duggars I truely believe are making their religion up as they go along, and at some point it will back fire on them. There is more wrong with Josie then they are saying. I hope the baby becomes normal. And if Michelle is with child 20 then she gets what she won't acknowledge from the rest of the world: stop having children and take care of the ones you already have and stop using God as an excuse to have more children.

Celestie said...

I'm thinking that the doctor is a perfectly capable and wonderful doctor. And that all the conflicting reports are coming from JB, who seems to have a great deal of trouble verbalizing any rational, or simple thought. He may not understand what the doctors and nurses are telling him. But as patriarch, it is his right and privilege to give his interpretation of what he has been told. Just listen to him try to explain anything, even as elementary as where metal comes from, and you will understand the confusion on this subject. Although, I, personally, do not think we are on the "need to know" list about this baby's specific health problems.

Anonymous said...

Hi. I just want everyone to know that this is an "in general" comment. I mostly agree with everyones opinions. People on this board bring up very good points and personal views that are sometimes neither right nor wrong. But sometimes it seems people forget about EDITING. In regards to the Doc, and if it's a milk issue or not, he could have spoken many words that he never knew were going to be later taken out. The kids, and even M or J.B., could have even expressed corncerns about it and many other "normal" life questions. And maybe careful editing could have warped it. I'm not saying that everything we see is just camera tricks. But we need to remember that at least some of it is. And, if you think a family like the Duggars would not agree to that- Think again. We all need money. And we all do less than ideal things to get it. (I cleaned toilets for a year) Just saying.

Anonymous said...

Having breastfed all my kids, I have a little insight on why Michelle was pumping so much milk. The womans body is amazing at detecting how much milk it should produce. If the baby is nursing 4 oz every two hours the body produces 4 oz every 2 hours. If the baby nurses 8 oz every 4 hours, the body accomodates. This prevents the mom from not having enough milk or having too much milk. When the baby starts baby food and skipping a nursing session, the body accomodates that. So, if Michelle didn't pump every 2 hours, then her body would slow down the milk supply. The doctors told her to keep her milk supply at the highest volume possible to accomodate the most demanding position of the infant. And I can also tell you that pumping is not like nursing. It is very uncomfortable and I don't see how she used a pump to store that much milk. Those things make your breasts very sore after repetitive use. I think it shows her dedication to doing everything for that baby. She was even waking up every few hours during the night to pump. I wouldve rolled over and went right back to sleep if there wasn't a crying baby to attend to. Especially on a night when I was really tired. But judging from that freezer, she didn't skip any feedings. I'm not sure why she stored all of it except for not knowing what else to do with it. Throwing it out seems like such a waste. So she probably just froze it thinking well I will throw it out if it expires and then we will be prepared for anything (which I'm sure included another pregnancy if they aren't using birth control). The milk can be stored for one year in a deep freeze which is what the milk was in.

Anonymous said...

Or, Michelle could have pumped all that milk so as to have something to film and show to America (as it was done so and shown in an episode), i.e., "I'm an amazing mom, look at how much breastmilk I can pump !". Why did such a private thing have to be filmed and shown?

winsomeone said...

Don't some hospitals have milk banks where mothers can donate unneeded breast milk? And they use it for preemies whose mothers have no milk? Was wondering why Michelle didn't do this at the time, instead of freezing it. I suppose with aids and other diseases, that might no longer be done now though.

Anonymous said...

Yes,breast milk can be donated.octomom's kids all had donated breast milk.I'm sure they probably test it first.
I agree that M was probably told to keep up with the pumping in order to get the best supply of milk going to Josie.

Don't Like, Change Channel said...

Welcome Home Josie Duggar.

Celestie said...

PS for that matter, who is to Say J.B. knows the elements, etc?

I just used that as an example. Listen to anything he tries to explain. He is unable to make a coherent statement on any subject. I just don't think he understands complex thoughts, such as why a baby is not doing as well as could be hoped. Another example, was his trying to explain, to one of the herd, where Grampa had gone, after he died. Or anything, just listen. I can see him trying to talk to the press and coming out blabbering. The press shaking their collective heads and printing what they thought he might be trying to say.

nana of 6 said...

Celestie said...
PS for that matter, who is to Say J.B. knows the elements, etc?

I just used that as an example. Listen to anything he tries to explain. He is unable to make a coherent statement on any subject.

I hear ya...The one I remember best is when they dragged everyone to NYC. First JB made a racist, boneheaded comment that went something like, imagine, and honest taxi driver! Next he told the kids that Central Park is what New York City looked like before all the people came to live there. Central Park was planned and landscape supervised by Frederick Law Olmstead. There were neighborhoods on the site and many houses and buildings were demolished to create the park. It wasn't as though in 1625 someone said, hey, lets leave this section natural!
There are comments like this by Jim-Bob and Joshua in almost every episode with Michelle or Anna gazing on their brilliant husbands with looks of adoration.
Good luck kids. It is education like this that leads your to spell the name "McKenzie" M.A.K.Y.N.Z.I.E.

Anonymous said...

Also on the trip in NYC,JB told the kids to 'just ignore' all the blatant signs and advertising and such that were less-than-ideal for them to view.
Hmm ok now..he can tell the kids to 'just ignore' something that is blatantly sexual,but when it comes to *people,they need to yell NIKE!? so how come the signs get more respect than people do? I guess I must have missed something here?

Anonymous said...

"There are comments like this by Jim-Bob and Joshua in almost every episode with Michelle or Anna gazing on their brilliant husbands with looks of adoration. "
----------------------------------

Agreed. One that really bothered me was Josh's lesson on the severity of gallstones (when he informed us that gallstones aren't typically serious). What makes him an expert in everything he talks about? Sometimes I try to give him the benefit of the doubt and consider that maybe, for some reason, the camera crew is asking him to explain something, but I'm not sure this is the case.

Anonymous said...

My favorite Josh-ism is when he and Anna took Jana and John David with them on a "double date".

Anonymous said...

For all these interviews and specials about how fabulous Josie is doing, I have to ask myself, are people blind? That baby looks horrible and sickly. I understand preemies aren't going to have that healthy, chubby glow of a normal baby, but it is downright frightening to see poor Josie in her condition, constantly struggling to stay alive. JB and Michelle should be ashamed of themselves and I pray they don't get pregnant again and submit another poor baby to this kind of agony.

Tammy C said...

http://www.visionforum.com/hottopics/blogs/dwp/

This has video of Josie with Michelle.Since what we see on TV is always behind in real life time I was amazed at how much bigger and healthier she looks.

Amanda said...

I have heard the LI would be taken care of with soy formula but Michelle refused to give her anything but breast milk.

Josie's friend said...

Thanks for posting that video (which reminds us that Michelle gets to leave town again to go pick up her latest 'Mom of the Year' award in Texas).

Josie looks better, for sure, but definitely not "right" still. Her eyes are still very strange. She has a lot of odd spastic movements. She still is on oxygen. I couldn't tell if she could hold her head up, or if Michelle was propping her. It was good to see her playing with her hands though.

I guess time will tell what is really going on with Josie.

Celestie said...

http://www.visionforum.com/hottopics/blogs/dwp/

++++

That was interesting. The baby is 6 months old, weighs in at 7 1/2 lbs, just one day home from hospital, still with oxygen and...... In comes another family with their herd of children. Some of whom "get to hold" the baby. They had been traveling, so I'm sure they were clean, with no colds, coughs or other germs. (They did bring lunch) The rest of the Ds were in Nashville, the video woman stated. M and JB are slated to be in Texas for the Baby conference in July. No word if the baby is attending or who is attending to her. Want to guess?

Danielle said...

Josie is cute!! It's sad, though, that at 6 months old, she only weighs 7'6.

mythoughtis said...

well, of course the baby will be attending the conference... because this award is all about Motherhood, so you have to have the baby... and what better way to make all the attendees feel sorry for you than to strut out your tiny, tiny baby on oxygen, that you aren't leaving for a minute.
She'll probably go there even before she goes home to Springdale.
I watched the video, and it makes me want to gag. Why can't these people talk as if they were intelligent adults rather than 5 year olds?
I can't imagine why anyone would bring all their children to meet/breath on a tiny, tiny micropremie that is immune compromised by even Michelle's own admission. Maybe these people are all 5 years old after all.

Anonymous said...

I saw that brief video of Michelle holding Josie and speaking with a woman who is part of the group "honoring" Michelle for birthing so many babies. I found myself wondering why Michelle wasn't holding Josie closer to her, using her own body to help Josie be propped up and comfortable, instead of holding her in a rather awkward manner. Josie's eyes do still stand out from her face and she appears to be on oxygen. Is it really wise to take this little one on a road trip in about a month? I wouldn't do it, but then again, I wouldn't do so many things that Michelle Duggar does, like pass off my six-month old baby to a buddy to raise and parent.

I definitely feel sad for Josie, getting stuck in this family. And I feel bad for the buddy who is going to be assigned the lifelong duty to care for her sibling, since Ma and Pa Duggar can't be bothered.

Enjoy your phony award Michelle. May you get all you deserve.

Don't Like, Change Channel said...

Josie looks great. She's filling out and really looking like a Duggar now. You have to remember she is really only 2 months old considering she was born early. I get the feeling the Duggars tend to forget that. I didn't see any spastic movements. Just normal baby movements and her eyes seem fine. I wonder why the oxygen? Maybe that is due to the hernias they mentioned.

Anonymous said...

Amanda- Lactose intolerance in babies can still be handled while breastfeeding. If the baby is sensitive enough to get enough lactose through breast milk, then the mother can omit dairy from her diet and the baby should have no problems. Same goes with a dairy protein allergy (which I find to be more believeable for this tiny little Duggar, true lactose intolerance is very rare in infants). Nonetheless, either of these issues can be handled by cutting dairy from Mom's diet. Lactose is not found in a mother's milk unless the mother is digesting dairy products.

Cyn said...

Thanks Tammy for the link.

It's so nice to hear that Michelle is thanking God for all the milestones Josie has reached, and how her faith has helped the entire family walk through this difficult time.

Anonymous said...

That was interesting. The baby is 6 months old, weighs in at 7 1/2 lbs, just one day home from hospital, still with oxygen and...... In comes another family with their herd of children. Some of whom "get to hold" the baby. They had been traveling, so I'm sure they were clean, with no colds, coughs or other germs. (They did bring lunch) The rest of the Ds were in Nashville, the video woman stated. M and JB are slated to be in Texas for the Baby conference in July. No word if the baby is attending or who is attending to her. Want to guess?
...
This is just mind-boggling to me. Why on earth would Michelle welcome guests one day after Josie got home, and expose her to all those children? And why would she take Josie to a crowded conference, given her compromised condition vis-a-vis her immune system?

The poor judgment is breathtaking.

Or maybe she is exercising good judgment - just not with respect to her baby.

Jen said...

I think we have to keep in mind when talking about Josie we have to keep in mind that preemies have adjusted age. Adjusted age (from due date) she would be about 10 weeks old. Not the 6 months old that she is from her birthdate

The video looks to me like about a 8 to 10 week old baby. My children were around or under 7 and 1/2 pounds at that age.

Welcome home Josie

Tammy C said...

I looked up a picture of our friends preemie baby who had also weighed 1lb 6oz at birth.This girl at 6 months weighed 7lbs 6 oz.You have to figure that is about 5 times the original birth weight.

If my daughter at 6 months had been 5 times heavier she would been almost 40 lbs.

What will be interesting if Josie is at the conference and is handled by many people there!

Anonymous said...

I guess these are the requirements for mother of the year in Texas:
Churn out as many kids as possible, no matter what your age or health status is.
Turn female offspring into obedient slaves.
Let male offspring run wild and blame it on their cute little extra energy.
Look adoringly into your husband's eyes every time he speaks, even though each time he opens his mouth, he sounds even less intelligent than the last time.
Talk in a little baby voice even though you are 43.
Tell the world how much better you are than everyone else.
Exploit your children on TLC for more and more money and pretend it is all God's Will.
Yep, Michelle meets all the requirements-she WINS!!!

Willow #1 said...

This is just my opinion, but I think the fundamentalist types wear the long hair and use the baby voices to keep themselves "young". Almost child-like. Is it the choice of the women or the men for them to do this? ALMOST all of them do this, so I was just curious who tells them to do this. I think it is just so strange. Sometimes I think Michelle wants to blend in with her daughters, as I am sure many women do, but who is pushing that - Michelle or JB or some sort of church teaching.

Kitten said...

The award is not for number of babies or deftness at changing a diaper or doling out responsibilities to children, for all of which Michelle is an expert.

Hahaha - you can say that again.

As for her assertion that "each child is a gift from God," I guess that would make Michelle the ultimate re-gifter, as she hands off her "gifts" to her daughters. As soon as the shine (and the attention that comes with a new baby) is gone, simply slap a huge bow on it and pass it along.

Jen said...

"Lactose is not found in a mother's milk unless the mother is digesting dairy products."

This is an incorrect statement, according to my son's pediatric gastroendocrinologist human milk is high in lactose. Human milk is 9% lactose that is higher than cow's milk.

Jen said...

I posted before I finished.

My son's pediatric gastroendocrinologist also said that while temporary lactose intolerance is common in all humans (even infants) that full time lactose intolerance is rare is infants as it is inconstant with life. It does happen from time to time.

Depending on the type of lactose intolerance you reduce or eliminate the lactose source but some time you neither elminate or reduce the latose. Example, in some LI, like is common in premature infants ( they haven't started making lactase yet to digest) you challenge the body to start making lactase by breastfeeding or providing milk based formulas.

Unless we knew which kind of lactose intolerance Josie has it would be hard to figure out how the doctors and Michelle should of or should not have handled it.

She appears to be thriving.

Anonymous said...

Lactose is found in mothers milk, but so is the enzyme needed to digest it, lactase. Humans also produce some lactase in the baby/toddler years but some lose the ability to as they grow older. That is why lactose intolerance usually shows up later in childhood or older. Babies can be sensitive to dairy products in the mothers milk, in which case eliminating dairy from the mom is the answer, not switching to a cows milk based formula. (and soy formulas have different issues) But, this is not true lactose intolerance. I think it very odd that Josie was said to have this. Here is a link:
http://www.kellymom.com/babyconcerns/lactose-intolerance.html

Jen said...

http://www.kellymom.com/babyconcerns/lactose-intolerance.html"

Kelly mom site gives at least two reasons why is would not be odd for Joise to have lactose intolerance including being premature and having bowel surgery or bowel disorders.

While lactase was made in the intestines, it was interesting to find out on the net that Breastmilk does have things that help digested Lactose. Interesting.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Welcome home Josie

Anonymous said...

Obviously organizations give the D's awards because it nets them attention.The D's accept them for the same reason..any media attention is a good back-scratcher for both parties.JMO.

Donna said...

"It's so nice to hear that Michelle is thanking God for all the milestones Josie has reached, and how her faith has helped the entire family walk through this difficult time."

What about thanking the highly-educated and trained medical professionals as well as advances in technology and medicine that has allowed this micropreemie to even be alive? Do people seriously believe that Josie (and Michelle Duggar, for that matter) would even be alive if not for the latter? A little gratitude and acknowledgement would be appropriate and even "right."

Secondly, little Josie does NOT look "normal" or healthy even as a two-month old baby (I realize that she is six months old now). Her little arms are so skinny and thin, her head is disproportionate to the rest of her body, her eyes look big, she is breathing with the aid of administered oxygen - the whole thing is very sad to me. The self-sanctamonious and smug attitude of the Duggars and the rest of their bunch (including the woman interviewing her) really gets to me. This very sick little baby is being used (again) to further their religous agenda. Absolutely disgusting and low.

The hypocricy of awarding her the Mother of the Year is astounding. It hits you right in the face. It is an insult to all good mothers who actually take care of and nurture their OWN children vs. handing them off to another child to raise. I didn't even know that this sort of thing existed until I became acquainted with the model that the Duggars use to raise their family with. This comes from someone who has 7 children (several of them in mid 20's). I honestly can't believe that this family and all it stands for is being lauded by TLC as the "standard" that we should all strive for. I can't believe that there are Duggar supporters who can't see that it is the older daughters that are doing the raising, the nurturing, the taking care of the children (while attending to all the domestic duties too). This is normal??? To me, what the Duggars have done to their children, straddled them with ALL the work that belongs to the parents, is beyond preposterous. And then to receive parenting awards - seriously?! Has the world gone insane?

And there is a possibility that Michelle Duggar could be pregnant with #20 because God "wills" it? The ONLY way that I would believe this is if Michelle and Jim Bob refrained from having intimate relations and YET she became pregnant in spite of it. THEN, and only then, would I believe that it is "God's will" for her to become pregnant again. Since, we all know that that isn't the case and never will be, then it is Jim Bob and Michelle that cause the pregnancy. Bringing God into the picture is simply a rationalization for their selfishness at this point. They can apparently do whatever they personally want and then simply shift the accountability and responsibility to "God's will" - whatever the outcome might be. How convenient.

Note: I was supportive of the Duggars when they at #14 or so with the children. Yes, it was a very large family, but they seemed happier and Michelle was the actual "mother" in the full sense of the word. That is no longer the case. What it is now is a circus. Anything and everything goes. Girls yelling "Nike" at random times trying to prevent their brothers from being "defrauded" (seriously? Are these people insane? I guess it's okay for the girls to see so-called "offensive" things and be okay with it, but the boys cannot handle it, is that it? They can't control their bodily urges? What?), babies being dumped into wagons head first by slightly older toddlers, lawnmowers being started by kids with bare feet, toddlers and young kids climbing, walking all over kitchen counters while food is being prepped, older kids jumping on younger kids and the list goes on. I am going to stop now before I burst an artery.

Donna said...

I want to apologize in advance for my apparent ignorance or even confusion, but there is talk of lactose intolerance, etc., yet this baby was/is receiving enemas every 6 hours? Why does this whole story sound like a LIE? Because I'm 47 years old and have had a large family and know many, many women/moms over the years that have had children with lactose intolerance, I do NOT believe that Josie's situation is solely due to lactose intolerance. Even to a layperson, such as myself, it is easily evident/visible that Josie is dealing with more profound medical issues than just LI.

Why must the Duggars and/or the Duggar/TLC machine have to constantly put out a scrubbed down version of the truth? Do they ever tell the truth - period?

Jen said...

I too believe that Josie has more problems then JUST lactose intolerance. That is why the doc was quoted in the article as saying the digestive problems were linked to LI, he didn't say caused by. Linked seems to me to imply that it is part of the chain of things that caused/is causing the digestive problems.

I also feel that it might feel like a lie because we are use to lactose intolerance being a minor problem. Generally, it is a minor problem but it isn't always. There are many different types of lactose intolerance and the effects range from minor tummy upset to effects as major as death. (thankfully in the developed world death is not common as it is normally figured out and treated before then)

nccalgal said...

I certainly don't deny that the excellent care that Josie received from the medical staff certainly contributed to her survival, but other babies received that same level of skill and care yet they did not survive. That is what Michelle is referring to when they say they are thankful to God for Josie's survival. I don't want to start a religious or philosophical debate on the whys of this, just saying, when you have spent as much time in a NICU or any other type of ICU as they have, you realize that something beside the skill of the doctors is involved. The Duggars attribute it to God.

Cyn said...

What about thanking the highly-educated and trained medical professionals as well as advances in technology and medicine that has allowed this micropreemie to even be alive? Do people seriously believe that Josie (and Michelle Duggar, for that matter) would even be alive if not for the latter? A little gratitude and acknowledgement would be appropriate and even "right."
*********************************

The first time Josie came home, and in several episodes while she was in the hospital we saw them thanking the nurses and the Doctors. We also saw them gathering the gift baskets to hand out at the hospital to thank the people caring for Josie.

Milestones I was referring to and I'm sure Michelle was talking about:
She's alive
She's gaining weight
She's breathing (all be it with some help from the tanks)
She's moving her arms and legs
She's alert
She looked happy
She's off most of her tubes
She's out of NICU
She's HOME
She's growing
LOL and last but not least... The wires are out of her head so she can wear her pretty hair bows....

The list can go on and on... These are the things Michelle is thanking God for.

Donna said...

"you realize that something beside the skill of the doctors is involved."

Yes, I HAVE realized that there is something (else) besides the skill of the doctor involved. There are also the technological advances (equipment, meds, tests, treatments) that have contributed to the saving of people's lives - literally.

Kitten said...

...other babies received that same level of skill and care yet they did not survive.

Ah, this is where it gets a bit ugly for me. Is the implication that God chose not to save those other babies? By this reasoning, Josie would have survived no matter what care she received?

Celestie said...

"you realize that something beside the skill of the doctors is involved."

-----

The doctors save some and sadly lose some. It doesn't seem to depend on the religion or amount of prayer by the parents though. So many factors go into survival of any human.

lizfrinbica said...

I'm happy that Josie is home and seemingly doing well, although I don't think we're getting the entire story. Still, I'm glad the show is on hiatus for the summer as the show was getting very boring. In addition, JB and Michelle need to do some soul searching about how they are raising their children-the younger ones seem totally out of control and ill-mannered and the poor older ones have no life but are doing all of the work that they parents should be doing.

Cyn said...

Please I think some have misunderstood what I meant and what Michelle meant when she was thanking God.

She was grateful that he HAD spared Josie, not that because she was a good person, or because so many were praying for little Josie was why God had saved her.

The bible tells us that "it rains on the just and the unjust" which means to most Christians that good and bad things happens to everyone regardless.

But the bible also tells Christians and Jewish people to be in continuous prayer with praise and thanksgiving. (it's old testament or Tanach)

That's all Michelle was doing; praising her God and thanking Him... I and Michelle meant nothing more or nothing less.

Kat said...

So by your logic that babies born to atheist parents would die? Or what about Muslim, Jewish, or Hindu parents? Remember, they don't pray to the "right" God. I don't object to Michelle or Jim Bob thanking God, but what I do object to is the blatant hypocrisy towards science. If you want to believe that the earth is 6,000 years old, that's fine. If you want to believe evolution is a lie, that's just ducky. Regardless of whether or not you believe in God, the medical staff and modern medical practices were what primarily saved Josie's life. Chances are, the doctors subscribe to the theory of evolution or at least studied it during their long years of scientific education. So these people are such pariahs that their children can't go near them regularly, but the Duggars will accept their help during a medical crisis? So maybe the unwashed masses aren't so bad after all. Maybe science and technology aren't so bad after all. I just find it unreal that they have the gall to insult science in one breath, and in the same accept it when they need it.

Blue said...

I just find it unreal that they have the gall to insult science in one breath, and in the same accept it when they need it.

...

I completely agree with this. The same science that developed methods of controlling fertility, developed methods to keep preemie babies alive.

The Duggars are insistent that God's will should dictate the number of children they should have. Why shouldn't that same will dictate how many children they *shouldn't* have? Why won't they interfere on the premature birth end if they won't interfere on the conception end.

They want to have it both ways.

Anonymous said...

I think the way the Duggars reconcile their professed belief that they are "leaving it all up to God" with the clear fact that they indeed didn't leave it all up to God when it actually came down to Michelle's life versus keeping Josie in the womb any longer -- is some fancy circular logic that goes something like this:

God provided these health care advances, because nothing exists without God's will. Therefore, to accept these advances (even though they came about somehow through heathen hands), is okay, because ultimately God controls everything.

It's a very handy bit of 'logic,' because you are able to turn it or twist it any way you need, to fit any particular situation. It also allows them to ignore awkward moments, such as how they would deny others the right to make their own healthcare decisions, but when it came down to Michelle's health being compromised, she and JimBob jumped right in and took advantage of the fact that they are still allowed to make those decisions. That hasn't yet been legislated away, although they'd like to take that option away from others.

Carla said...

Not sure where to put this, maybe the mods have a good place for it.

http://vimeo.com/12631236

An absolutely hilarious parody of the Duggars.

~Shari~ said...

Carla ~
That parody was great. (Although I thought the interview with the cashier was unnecessarily vulgar. I wish it wasn't like that, because I'd love to post that to my Facebook.) Other than that it really was funny and frighteningly accurate! lol

gettingbored said...

Loved the parody! The writers got everything, including the possibility of adoption, and Michelle bringing baggage (in the form of JP) to the marriage!

Anonymous said...

I didn't understand who the man with the orange beard was supposed to be in the parody. John David?

Anonymous said...

The man with the beard was Michelle's 'baggage' that JB speaks of when asked why the kids court instead of date.

Once was a fan said...

I think that person with the orange beard was meant to be the physical embodiment of the "baggage" that Jim Bob says that Michelle has/had as a result of her past.

Anonymous said...

So much of the in Gods hands viewpoint has always amazed me. We are all free to worship where and how we will. A little looking into the Gothard style of belief and of course the many other styles is indeed eye opening and fascinating. One big reason why religion is not necessarily a topic of conversation in my diverse group of friends. There are many different paths to arrive at the same end. At some point no matter how we are trained we will all choose our own way.

Anonymous said...

Loved that part in the parody where JB & Michelle are talking to the little girl at the other end of the table and scheduling in more "time" with her for a future October date.

Anyone else notice during that talk, the baby in JB's carrier was now laying on the table and had been replaced by an opened box of crackers in the carrier? I think that was supposed to mirror little Josie being shoved aside once she got home from the hospital.

Carla said...

I dunno if it was about Josie. I thought it was just a funny that he was so used to wearing a carrier that he was now snacking out it.

On a more serious note, I think Michelle is for the first time experiencing real parenthood with Josie. I think it's really hitting her that this child needs HER. A LOT. I don't think she ever felt that way before. They came so fast and were so healthy, she was fine handing them off.

I think this really scared her, and it will be very interesting to see, after properly bonding to one of her children, if Josie is handed off as easily to a Buddy.

Anonymous said...

Just wondering if anyone has heard any rumors or talk about Michelle being pregnant again. Has anyone seen her lately?

jonandkatewho? said...

A friend of mine said he heard a couple months ago that M was preggers again but when I questioned it he said that he then checked and had been mistaken. I think he just remembers her being pregnant with Josie and mixed up the time frame.

It wouldn't surprise me if she was though. I don't think too many would be surprised. Horrified maybe but not surprised.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I am happy to know Josie is now home and pray that all is well.

Anonymous said...

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20397849,00.html

Another step closer to real home and some questions answered.

Anonymous said...

Wow, it sounds as if they would have gone straight to Tonitown if not for the chickenpox. I'm a bit confused as the article makes it sound as if JimBob and the kids were there the whole time and not out and about as we've read other places. The author also seems not to know Jana and John-David were on a mission.

Nancy said...

Yeah, the People article was quite misleading. JB and the kids were not home for the last 3 weeks "recovering." Everyone here knows they were at the ATI conference in Nashville on June 3rd and spent the weekend in that area before heading to GA to be filmed as extras for that movie, then on to Chick-fil-A headquarters for a tour, all with TLC camera crews in tow.

I'm sure that when they drove from ATL to Tonitown, JB and maybe a couple of the older girls could go inside and visit Michelle before heading off to the Tinker Toy Mansion. And once there, it wasn't very long before M's dad passed and they were back on the bus, sans Jill, Jenny and Hannie (based on the church picture from IL either going to or from M's father's funeral). I'm just curious if Jill and the little girls stayed in Tonitown and Josie with a nurse in LR while M went to the funeral (she was spotted at an Ohio airport check-in...alone...on her way back home last week).

Hope the camera crew have all had the chicken pox! It definitely sounds like they picked it up at the ATI shindig or possibly the movie shoot. I hope they weren't traipsing through Chick-fil-A all itchy and scratchy. I'd have to think the FDA forbids it.

Anyone know the incubation period of CP before the fever and pestules present? I had them so long ago that I couldn't say, other than that they rampaged my kindergarten class in the Dark Ages before vaccines were available. :)

Tammy C said...

It takes between 10 and 21 days after contact with an infected person for someone to develop chickenpox.

I am relieved to know that Josie didn't make the trip to Ohio like everyone was assuming.

Anonymous said...

I'm guessing there's a little bit of product placement there for Chicco. We have the same travel system and that carseat comes with an amazing newborn head cradle piece, but it does cover the Chicco logo when installed. Seems strange otherwise they wouldn't be using it for such a little baby.

Also, I find it sad that Michelle referred to Josie as "chunky" at 9 pounds, 1 ounce. Many babies are born at that weight. She is still dangerously small and fragile. I hope they realize she isn't as "bounceable" as all the other babes were - and won't be for some time.

Anonymous said...

Awww, I don't know if Michelle is really that bad of a mother? I don't come on here too often, but I've been reading through the blog comments and I'm a little surprised at some of the strong feelings against her getting that award. Sure the woman has more kids than you would think is even humanly possible to birth. And that is got to be certifiably crazy. But her kids are nice Christian kids that are unselfish and kind to others, plus I know they do service to others in the community. Not very many teenagers do that. The behavior from the young ones isn't much different than I see other kids their age acting like. Sure they are misbehaved sometimes but they have time to grow out of it.

I just see so, so many parents these days that spoil their kids, ignore them, let them be grow up to be selfish and materialistic, etc. That I think The Duggars are doing a good job. They do things a LOT differently than most people but they are raising good kids. I think Josie is lucky to be born into a good family. Besides, if Michelle hadn't decided to have her, then she wouldn't exist right? I gotta assume Josie's happy to be alive!

MWM said...

Why can't People Magazine post an updated photo with the updated article? I'd like to see the "double chin" Michelle makes reference to in the article.

Also, I don't think the hitting, pushing, throwing behavior of the younger Duggars is acceptable at any level, regardless of what some of the viewing public view as "not any worse than some other kids out there".

Bad behavior is bad behavior. Period.

Celestie said...

eah, the People article was quite misleading. JB and the kids were not home for the last 3 weeks "recovering." Everyone here knows they were at the ATI conference in Nashville on June 3rd and spent the weekend in that area before heading to GA to be filmed as extras for that movie, then on to Chick-fil-A headquarters for a tour, all with TLC camera crews in tow

-----

Just goes to show how much JB manipulates the media.

Cyn said...

Has any one noticed that most (not all) of the 'bad behavior' happened when Michelle was not around. In fact Michelle was either stuck in the hospital or at the hospital visiting Josie.

Running roughshod through the house she does allow, but when she is there she does not allow the hitting or kicking of siblings or rude behavior to each other. She was in Little Rock when the one slightly older child was putting the baby in the cart in TX.

And my last thought is, Michelle never claimed that her children were little angels. In articles written as far back as 2003 the writers point out the rambunctiousness of the children when they were in the smaller houses, and that even then they climbed on counters and furniture and the noise level could be deafening. Other than the fans trying to say the Duggar kids were perfect where did we get the idea that they were?

Cyn said...

Just goes to show how much JB manipulates the media.

**********************
It shows how badly People magazine does it's research. Simply googling the Duggars would have brought them more information that was posted in that article. Does People magazine have the same writers that do the pop up windows on the show? I wonder because the pop ups are as filled with as much erroneous information, as the last 3 articles coming out of People magazine.

Celestie said...

Awwww, I don't know if Michelle is really that bad of a mother?

Good Mother's take care of their children, not pass them off to others to raise full time. They walk with them when they are sick at night, they cuddle them in their laps while putting on their shoes, give them an extra kiss when getting them in their car seats. All day and all night, real moms are touching, kissing guiding, talking and listening their children.

I know of a woman who had a severely disabled and deformed baby. She has given him a happy and fulfilling life, celebrating each milestone with gusto, devotion, love, and lots of fun. No one can possibly feel sorry for this little baby, his Mom and Dad are totally hands on and joyful with him.
Now compare this to little Jordyn, little Jennifer and little Josomething, who got "passed on" at a very young ages. They are given little or no parent time. Jordyn, because a new special needs baby was born, Jennifer and Josomething, just because they reach the ripe ol age of 1 year. Then there are the pack of boys. Who can tell them apart and who is giving them attention and guidance? The only way they can get attention is to act out in front of a TV crew. Just because her children are Christians and not ax murders doesn't make her Mother of the Year.

mythoughtis said...

Or what assumptions the people author made in terms of what the Duggars where when. I'm thinking the author asked only about Josie and made assumptions about everything else.
Just because Josh and Anna don't live in the household doesn't meant they weren't IN the household when Josie and Michelle pulled up.

Anonymous said...

I wonder what condition the Duggars left the Little Rock rental house in?

At a minimum, I'm sure the wood floors needed to be re-finished (and the stairs carpet replaced from all the stomach sliding the children did).

If the Duggars put down a security deposit, I wonder how much of it they got back?

Celestie said...

It is hard to believe that 12 children all got Chicken Pox at the same time and recovered at the same time. Even living closely as they do, I think the infection would linger about a bit longer, with some catching from each other and not the original source. And how did they attend all of those functions and have the Chicken pox? There is something very fishy about this story.

Anonymous said...

Maybe the Duggars will update their family website now that Josie is home. As of today it still refers to her as "Awaiting Baby 19 Arrival".

nanapeggy said...

being the 5th of ten kids, i can tell you that no matter how helpful that siblings are, a child desperately needs INDIVIDUAL attention throughout his/her young life; and it is just not physically possible for this mom to do it right by these adorable little ones... later in life they will surely have little sense of personal identity, since they always need to "fit in" now; always a part of "the group". once the "cuteness" factor dies, there will be real life issues; hopefully, mom and dad area smart enough to think about how they can nurture each individual child as a unique, special human being!

carseattechguru said...

Regarding the product placement for Chicco. It is possible it *could* be a product placement

However they said in an earlier article (or maybe it was the car seat test show) that she had the head pillow in on her first car seat test that she failed. They said it tipped her head forward too much. They took it out and repeated the test and she passed. This is very common with preemies and also why as a certified child passenger safety technician (ie car seat tech) we tell parents of little babies to sometimes leave the head supports of car seats out because they can tip the head foward in newborns and cut off the airway

As a car seat tech, I have this same car seat. My newborn never used the pillow. It pushed his head too far foward. I took it out and used blankets rolled up on each side to support his head

So yeah, it could be product placement. But there is a ligitimate reason to not have that head pillow in. Especially in a preemie

Anonymous said...

As for the question on how the kids didn't acquire chicken pox before if they weren't isolated from others, sometimes chicken pox is not THAT easy to catch. It took my sister (back before vaccinations) until she was 12. My brother was 8. I was 7. We had all been exposed multiple times

I do not vaccinate my children against chicken pox. I purposely exposed my children hoping they would catch the diease naturally before adulthood. My oldest now 5 has been exposed (ie sharing cups and clothes and blankets) with someone with chicken pox THREE times and has not caught it yet. Yet my youngest caught it the first time after a quick 5 minute exposure.

It's not as easy to catch as many people think!

Judy said...

If 12 of their kids came down with chicken pox at the same time, my guess is that more came down with it days or weeks later. Remember that those kids were contagious, too, and their siblings could have come down with it later.

Sharla said...

Friendly reminder that the topic of this thread is Josie comes home. Since one of the articles mentioned chicken pox, we can let that slide a little but please not into the whole vaccination/incubation/whatever of chicken pox. Thanks.

Anonymous said...

Recent picture of Josie and she's looking much better and adorable. The hat should go.

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/4908/34230148329739836211116.jpg

jonandkatewho? said...

that baby is far too cute for michelle to be putting those fugly big bows on her head. leave her alone for crying out loud!!! i swear she is like a little girl playing with baby dolls.

Carla said...

I still claim Josie won't get a buddy anywhere near the age (adjusted age) the other babies did. I think she may be the luckiest Duggar in the end. As for Jordyn? Time will tell. Maybe when her book, "The Forgotten Duggar" goes to press, she'll get some attention.

Anonymous said...

It took this doctor two months to figure out this baby was lactose intolerent? I have a feeling the Duggars are full of sh....

Anonymous said...

Did anyone else find it disturbing that michelle had a cheap umbrella stroller, with a infant carseat with the handle hooked on the back. This can not be safe, especially with such a fragile baby. If they want something light, why not get a snap and go? Also how come they had such an expensive chicco carseat? I thought they were frugal? Maybe it was a give away?But with all the money they make with the shows, you would think they would have the full stroller,and carseat. I don't remember Jordyn with this expensive seat. I don't think the Duggar's realize this poor little precious girl will probably always need special care, they need a reality check.

Anonymous said...

Poor Jordyn. Forgotten Duggar indeed. She probably doesn't even know who her mother is. Those three youngest girls have been neglected, but Jordyn's maternal neglect has been absolutely complete. It's so sad. Michelle has never cared for any of the children, except for the one she is pregnant with or breastfeeding, but it has never been so obvious before.

I can't even fathom having my little kids away from me, even if I had a sick baby in the hospital. But obviously, the sister-moms do all the work and mothering anyway, so the little girls don't even notice the difference.

MamaWama said...

I think Josie is looking really cute. Those big flower head bows are all the rage down south where I live.
Michelle didn't leave her kids like many moms have to when they have a preemie in a far away hospital. Their relocating made it possible for Jordyn ( and the other children) to have much more mama time.
I am betting that by the time Josie is 3 yrs old, we won't even be able to tell she was a preemie. I have known many preemies and it is miraculous how many have no long term effects.

Anonymous said...

I am not sure how much "mama" time the other children got when they relocated. Michelle expressed how much time she spent "pumping" and then she was at the hospital. Doesn't quite add up to much time at all.