Kelly Bates is pregnant

Yes, she announced it on their blog even though they found the last pregnancy had ended at 10 weeks.  Both Kelly and Michelle will turn 45 in a few months if I calculated correctly.

Unconfirmed report that Kelly had the baby yesterday.

137 comments:

Religilicious said...

So sad IMO for women to consider conception and birthing babies as the only possibility open to them to contribute to the world. It's such a waste of feminine potential to think that the only real measure of a woman is how many babies she births.

I have nothing personal against the Bates, but wish women of this mindset would find other, mind expanding activities, like reading, staying fit, development of creativity.

Becoming a parent and raising children is a wonderful thing, but humans are capable of so much more than simple procreation and child rearing. My dog is capable of doing this. Surely humans are called to do more.

I wish those of the Bates/Duggar mindset would GET that and begin encouraging their kids to broaden their horizons and life view/goals.

michelle said...

So, with Callie and Judson, this means that Kelly will have three children under age five (or more). That is going to be a lot to handle. Hopefully she will carry to term and not have problems with this pregnancy. Another Josie type situation would be horrible for them.

msrylee said...

I am not sure how many miscarriages Mrs. Bates has experienced, but my biggest concern is for her health. It is God's will for women of the Bates/Duggar mindset to have as many children as He allows. However, women still do die in childbirth and post-delivery complications. Even though I know these families would accept it as God's will should the mom die, the future for the older blessings would be more dire than it is now IMO.

It isn't my intention to be solely negative about this pregnancy, but as this is 'reality' television, then it is only fair to discuss the reality of the situation.

I truly hope and pray for a safe healthy pregnancy and delivery for Mrs. Bates.

ennvee said...

I'm just curious if the Duggars know. They were leaving the ATL to go to the Bateses' last Sunday, so I guess they're in on it. I wonder if they were truly surprised (with TLC cameras, please, just to document Michelle's reaction), or if they bragged to the Duggars before they might have announced to the world, given her early miscarriage last time. If TLC stages the announcement, it won't be any fun; watching Jim Bob seethe and Michelle struggle to "keep sweet" would be comedy gold.

Still, announcing at 9 weeks is some kind of record for keeping a pregnancy under wraps with these people. I guess that means Kelly's back on the progesterone this time around, attempting to ensure a positive outcome.

Since they're also handing off their offspring to sister-moms, who's next in line? Tori?

I don't know whether to congratulate them or pity them. I lean toward the latter for the sake of those kids.

hart&sole said...

Tori is supposed to be Judson's buddy, but mostly Michaela or Gil is shown holding him. It doesn't seem as though the buddy system in the Bates faily is the same as in the Duggar family. There is no way to change the mind set of the Duggars, the Bates or any of the other, way more than I would have guessed, quiverful families. If that is where faith takes them, well, so be it. I'm hoping for uncomplicated deliveries and healthy babies for as long as the baby parade continues. Admit it, though, Kelly is her children's mother, the buddy is just a helper.

aimee said...

So how many children, if baby goes to term, will this be? I wonder what kind of insurance they have and if it covers high risk prenatal care.

I wonder if TLC will cover the courtship of Zachary Bates and Sarah Reich?

sandi said...

This will be no. 19 for Kelly and Gil if it continues.If she makes it to 12 weeks,medically speaking her chances for miscarriage are reduced.
I wish them well.

hart&sole said...

It seems doubtful that TLC will cover much of Zach and Sarah's courtship unless it is during Bates/Duggar visits. Since we can pretty well assume that the Duggars will be at the wedding, I imagine the TLC cameras will be covering that, at least I hope so. I'm a sucker for weddings and babies.

msrylee said...

I believe that Mrs. Bates is indeed the mother to her children. There appears to be a strong attachment to them, continuing past infanthood. She seems to be plugged into her blessings.

Alberta Rose said...

I hope TLC shows Michelle sincerely congratulating a dear friend on her pregnancy. If a woman truly believes conception is in God's hands, she won't be bitter that someone is pregnant when she isn't, just accept it as God's will.

Religilicious said...

Still am not comprehending the 'logic' that using hormones to prevent pregnancy is forbidden because it is deemed 'unnatural', yet a 45 year old woman who is NATURALLY experiencing decreased hormones due to impending menopause, is allowed to supplement hormones to encourage pregnancy.

At 45 it is NATURAL to lose fertility, so if preventing pregnancy is sinful, WHY isn't it sinful to artificially supply hormones to promote pregnancy/birth?

If you want to consider birth control pills 'against nature', then it is only logical to consider hormone supplementation in the opposite direction equally against nature.

Women's bodies have their own built-in, naturally-occurring fertility shelf life. I wish Mrs. Bates and Mrs. Duggar would graciously accept this reality and stop trying to outwit what their aging bodies have been trying to tell them: too old for pregnancy, proceed at your own (and fetus') risk.

Alli Byers said...

I have a question regarding Mrs. Bates using any hormone supplements. Does anyone have proof of her doing this or admitting to doing this? I couldn't find this information anywhere. Thanks to anyone who can answer my question.

Sharla said...

It's mentioned multiple times on their blog.

Dee said...

While I wish them well, I can't help but question the wisdom in choosing to "fill your quiver" over the realities of having a healthy pregnancy for a 40+ year old women who has already had health problems.

msrylee said...

I hope that Michelle would sincerely and graciously congratulate Mrs. Bates regarding her latest pregnancy. It must be very difficult for Michelle to celebrate with her dear friend, and also Anna's newest blessing. I think it must be bitter/sweet for Mrs. Duggar.

hart&sole said...

Michelle was pregnant with Jordyn during 2 of Kelly's miscarriages. I find it hard to imagine that Kelly was not happy for her friend, and now vise versa. Michelle might wish (only God knows why) that she was pregnant, too, but certainly she doesn't begrudge either Kelly or Anna a child.

msrylee said...

My intent was not that Michelle begrudges either Mrs. Bates or Anna their pregnancies. All I meant was that it must be bitter/sweet for Michelle.

Dar said...

There is something seriously wrong psychologically with these women. Is there nothing else in this world that bring them any sense of worth?

They are, in my opinion, putting their lives at stake at this stage of the game. Enjoy the children you have been "blessed" with and participate in their upbringing, rather than hand them over to their siblings.

hart&sole said...

It is easy to understand why people just can't wrap their mind around 20, or so pregnancies, since I really can't, either. This seems to me to be the biggest test of my concept of pro-choice, and it is their own choice. As for me, I just hope and pray for their healthy babies and safe deliveries. I'm curious about why the Reiths, Zach Bates is courting Sarah Reith, only have 4 children? Does Zach expect Sarah to have twenty pregnancies? I would think twice about my daughter marry into such a situation.

mom in texas said...

In regards to the question about Zach Bates and Sarah Reith you must remember those who follow this lifestyle leave it up to God in respect to how many children they have. The Reiths have 4 because that is what God gave them. The Bates have had 20+ pregnancies because that it was God gave them. Zach would never expect Sarah to have anything, he would leave the number up to God if he continues to follow the lifestyle he has been raised in.

nogmamme said...

I agree mom in texas!

hart&sole said...

Never-the-less, Sarah could possibly have endless pregnancies if it is God's will. Josh and Anna seem off to a good start on many children. Anna seems required to deliver children without adequate (in my opinion) medical care and without pain medication. Is this the will of God, as well? Just sayin'

mom in texas said...

I understand your point. The Reiths only have 4 because, according to their beliefs, that is all God gave the family. And just because Anna has had two already doesn't mean she will continue to have any more. Many woman have children close together and then stop producing. If Anna doesn't have any more, it is not considered wrong or bad. So yes, Sarah, Anna, or any woman could or could not have 20+ pregnancies. We don't know. I don't believe the focus is on quantity (for some). It is more of the ability and willingness to trust in God.

As for God's will regarding natural home births, I couldn't answer this because I still don't understand this decision myself.

Dar said...

I think Michelle is pregnant. I've said if before. I think she is waiting for completion of the first trimester to let everyone know.

It must be galling for her to have all these breeders around (Anna and Kelly Bates). Michelle loves the limelight and having babies just gets her more and more attention. It is too bad that these episodes don't show what the Duggar life is really like.

Some of the children have some issues. I would like to see them dealt with on the show. Jackson seems to needs some special attention.

In my view, these little children would do a whole lot better in a regular school environment.

Alberta Rose said...

Anna seems required to deliver children without adequate (in my opinion) medical care and without pain medication.

Christian women are no different than any other woman. They have the freedom to choose to birth in a hospital, at home or in a birthing centre. They have the freedom to choose a midwive or an OB as their care provider. They have the freedom to choose how to cope with the pain associate by a large muscle receiving an intense workout.

msrylee said...

I totally agree that Christian women should have the freedom to choose all decisions regarding pre-natal care, labour and delivery choices (pain meds etc) and post-natal care. Regardless of religious beliefs and affiliations, all women should enjoy this freedom of choice. My concern is that all women are allowed to make their own decisions, based on facts, and are fully informed. JMO

Angelusa Requiem said...

Dar, out of curiosity, what leads you to believe Michelle is pregnant again?

Kit said...

Christian women are no different than any other woman.

That's true. Just like any other woman, Christian women can be brainwashed into believing that they are subservient human beings who are to obey their "master" in all things, including childbirth choices.

Yes, Anna can "choose" her childbirth experience. However, by the way she has been raised, and the environment in which she lives, she sees only a very limited range of "acceptable" options, and even among those, she must defer to Josh in her decisions.

msrylee said...

Couldn't agree more, Kit. I have great difficulty believing that Anna made her choice freely, fully informed, truly wanted a home-birth, no pain meds, etc. Did she make the ultimate decision about all her birthing options? We don't know for sure one way or another. Based on the fact that the husband has the final say in their families, Anna's "free" choice may have not been free at all. JMO

ProudMrs. said...

I have to disagree with the notion that Anna didn't have a choice in delivery options and that she wasn't well informed about what her options were/are.

First of all, Anna's been through Bradley classes - twice now. Even if you take away the focus on the coach-led process, the classes provide a substantial amount of information on labor, delivery, complications, health, etc. in general. Anna may very well have been exposed to more information about labor and delivery than what some other folks get from a run of the mill course through the hospital. Also, (and someone please correct me if I'm wrong), I don't believe the Bradley Method pushes home births in particular.

Secondly, some of the birth episodes featuring Michelle (and parts of the first book) talk about why the senior Duggars feel hospital deliveries are right for them. Josh would have been exposed to that thinking and witness to it - and since we know he learns from example, I think it's safe to say he'd ultimately be okay with hospital delivery if that is what Anna felt she needed.

And, if you watch the Mac birth footage, it seems pretty obvious that Anna was originally planning on something other than a home birth (hospital or maybe a center). Anna went into labor before her due date, found out her doctor wasn't available well into labor, and then made the decision to have a home birth on the fly. Sure, that's not something a lot of people would do, but I can see where Anna would choose to go with Ms. Theresa and a comfortable, familar enviornment over a doctor she's never seen before. And, it seems to have worked out well for Anna in the end - she had no complications and a pretty normal delivery.

Now, if you jump to some of the footage shot while on the second book tour and leading up to Michael's birth, Anna says more than one time that she had such a good experience with Mac's labor and delivery that she's looking forward to another home birth. Her sincerity made me believe that whas her choice 100%. Of course a good birth experience the first time around would give major confidence to anyone going facing a second labor and delivery. I'm willing to bet that confidence made the decision for another home birth a no-brainer for her. However, we all know that every pregnancy, labor, delivery, child, etc. is different, and I think the struggle Anna had while laboring with Michael caught her off guard. In hindsight, Anna may not have chosen a home birth or no pain meds if she knew exactly what she'd be facing with Michael's labor and delivery. But once things got going, it was too late to change her mind.

IF the show is still on when Josh and Anna are facing the labor and delivery of a third child, it will be interesting to see what Anna's choices are for the process.

Amanda said...

As someone who has been through Bradley classes, no, they do not push home births--in fact, Dr. Bradley was totally a fan of hospitals (as he delivered babies in them!)

I agree with roudMrs. that Anna may well just feel like doing it without pain meds at home is the best thing for her. One thing that I was cautioned about during Bradley class (which turned out to be very true) is how one intervention (in my case, pitocin) often leads to other interventions. I had wanted a completely drug-free labor, but thanks to the pitocin, after I hit hour 25 of laboring I got an epidural. Maybe Anna didn't want to be in a situation where that might happen to her. And something I'm not sure of, so maybe someone else can answer this, is how easy it would be for her to get to a hospital if there was a complication.

Women have been giving birth naturally for years--it's not abnormal to want to do so. Besides, my epidural didn't work anyway, haha!:)

hart&sole said...

We will never know what Anna's choice was, or if she would have made the same decision if she knew the birth of Michael would be more intense than was Kynzie's. As for me, I only hope she was given free choice rather than it being strongly suggested how proud of her Josh would be if she again delivered at home. Although I am a fan of both the Duggar's and the Bateses, I have found it extremely difficult to like Josh.

msrylee said...

We don't know how Anna made her decisions regarding her last birthing experience. While many assumptions have been made, we truly don't know.

Has Mrs. Bates delivered all her children in hospital? I know that she has had complications with at least one of her births. Perhaps someone can answer the hospital question.

nogmamme said...

Mrs. Bates has had most of her children at home. She gave birth to her 17th child in the hospital a couple of seasons ago and some of it was filmed. I remember them saying something about having some kind of problems with the previous baby so they decided to go to a hospital

msrylee said...

Thanks for answering my question. IMO, it would be very risky for a woman who has had so many babies, to deliver at home. Mrs. Bates has had complications with at least one pregnancy, and her age alone puts her in a high risk category. Does anyone know how she and the baby are?

hart&sole said...

The Baby, Judson Wyatt, will be a year old in September and he's a cutie.

msrylee said...

Thanks. Does anyone have an update about Mrs. Bates and her pregnancy?

ProudMrs. said...

Actually, I believe I remember from the shows that Mrs. Bates delivered the last girl, Callie (baby #17), in the hospital partially because she had difficulties in the recent past AND because she tested positive for 'Beta Strep'. I also remember the commentary as something along the lines of them prefering to deliver at home and that the hospital routine was new for them (someone correct me if I'm wrong). Pictures on their web site seem to indicate that baby #18, Judson, was also delivered in the hospital. I can't remember if they showed any footage of that on any of the shows.

At the time Anna was pregnant with Mac and they were first working on the Bates home, Mrs. Bates hadn't yet delivered a baby anywhere else other than home, and Mrs. Duggar had delivered at home and at a hospital (and both naturally and via c-section). Again, evidence that Anna -and Josh- had exposure to knowledge of different options from WITHIN their peer group.

Anonymous said...

Thanks. Does anyone have an update about Mrs. Bates and her pregnancy?

The last post about it on their website said it was still going well and a little past the ten week mark, which is where they lost the last one. No updates since then.

mom in texas said...

Msrylee,
The Bates have their own site at gilbatesfamily.com. You can check for updates there. That's where I go.

msrylee said...

Thanks for the info and site. She has passed the dreaded week, and hopefully this pregnancy will continue safely and complication-free.

barb said...

In this last episode when they asked her about having another baby, it sounds like Michelle can't wait to get pregnant again. I really don't think she is happy unless she is. She was so lucky with Josie but who knows what will happen the next time? For the sake of herself and her family, she is really pushing it and taking risks she shouldn't be taking.

mom in texas said...

I am sure Michelle would love to be pregnant again since it is the belief that it is God's will. However, I feel that either Michelle has been explicitly told not to get pregnant again and she is secretly (meaning the public doesn't know) preventing them for her health or she realized that her "season" has passed on having children. She seems to answer this question with a bittersweet sadness now. Personally I wish the producers of the show would quit asking because the answer will always be the same. It's also rude to ask a woman nearing menopause something like that. This is just my opinion.

ProudMrs. said...

Saw in the comment string on the Bates webpage yesterday that all is still well with this pregnancy for Kelly.

hart&sole said...

Anyone besides me miss the show on Primetime? If so, you can watch it at Hulu.com. After the hulu site appears, just type in ABC Primetime in the browser bar and a group of pictures will show up. Needless to say, the one with the 18 baby pictires is the Bates show.

sandi said...

The Dr visit really clarified it for me..they are essentaiily trying to have babies with eggs that are almost 1/2 a century old.I wish her well,and may they have a healthy baby.

hart&sole said...

So far so good with Kelly's pregnancy. I too wished for twin boys so this would be the last pregnancy. She said her plan was to have 10 boys and 10 girls. So far she is 2 boys short of that. I've no expert at reading sonograms, but it sure did look like only one fetus.

hart&sole said...

Now she is 17 weeks pregnant and apparently doing well. Hope everything turns out OK since this is what she wants, regardless of what anyone else thinks.

hart&sole said...

On Kelly's web site she said she just had her 21 weeks check up and everything is fine.

Elverna Bradshaw said...

I'm sorry (and this won't be popular) but this woman has no business having another baby for many reasons, not the biggest being that her son (!!) is loaning the family money so they don't have to do without food and other essentials.

If you can't afford 'em, don't be birthing 'em.

(That said, I'm glad the child is healthy so far...given her recent history.)

Seriously? said...

Gross.

Will somebody PLEASE buy Gill & Kelly Bates some Milton Bradley board games for Christmas this year? Seriously, they need to find other ways to entertain themselves than birthin' more bambinos.

Here's a novel thought: BOOKS! A whole new world awaits in BOOKS. And try a few that are not Christian-based. You might surprise yourself, Mr. and Mrs. Bates - there ARE other ways to utilize your time on earth than simply popping out babies.

Sharla said...

She seems to have cleared 23 weeks and the fetus is now potentially viable.

Elverna Bradshaw said...

I found this very strange: apparently she will find out the sex of the baby at her 34 week exam but the only other person who will know this information before the baby is born is Alysssa, who will be the baby's buddy. Why???

Sharla said...

I saw that and can't imagine their reasoning either. At least they aren't planning a gender announcement party.

londonbridges said...

Count me in regarding the statement about who is going to know the sex of the unborn baby. I don't get it either.

Elverna Bradshaw said...

Gil and Kelly better pray that #19 is a boy so they can get to making #20 all the sooner. (40 days versus 80 days)

Softballfan said...

Kelly will not know the gender, only one of the daughters will.

Patrice said...

It's the baby's chosen buddy, or sister-mom who gets to find out. Tori became Judson's buddy-sister-mom so she was the only one to find out his sex ahead of time.

Kitten said...

The Reiths only have 4 because, according to their beliefs, that is all God gave the family.

Or maybe because Mr. and/or Mrs. Reith aren't all that into the sex thing, or maybe they figured out that if you don't give God as many opportunities to bless you, you won't end up with a herd. Not everyone is into the "breed like bunnies" mindset, even if they are ATI.

As for Anna having choices, I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that there was a "home birth bonus" built into their TLC contract. In fact, it mkaes a lot of sense when you look back at their seemingly random, spur of the moment decision to stay at home for Mack's birth. Most home birthers I know plan for it well in advance, and are fully prepared. They don't just go into labor and think "Hey! Let's have a home birth!" like a bad Judy Garland/Mickey Rooney movie.

hart&sole said...

About the Bates lack of health insurance. They ask the hospital for the same rates an insurance company would pay. When Addalee was born and then not breathing and had no heartbeat, she was in the NICU for 19 days. The Bates paid the hospital $400. a month for 4 years, and Kelly said it was hard, but worth every penny!

Elverna Bradshaw said...

If the Bateses paid $400 a month for 4 years, that's just under $20,000. I find it hard to believe that would be the normal charge for 19 days in the NICU.

j said...

"If the Bateses paid $400 a month for 4 years, that's just under $20,000. I find it hard to believe that would be the normal charge for 19 days in the NICU."

My firstborn spent a month in the NICU, she had no surgeries or problems of any kind, wasn't even intubated and the bill was well over $90,000 just for the hospital pediatricians, that does not include the supplies, etc. I know because the insurance company made a mistake and I ended up getting that bill at first.

sandi said...

I'm guessing that the Bates may have come to some sort of settlement on the amount owed.I don't know that for sure,but sometimes with medical bills they can come to an agreement of sorts.

Hannah Leah said...

I didnt know that one of Bates kids was in the NICU. Was this with the last Bate.


I don`t think Anna really wanted a home birth, but TLC and Josh talked her into it. After, seeing Josie being born. I would want a hospital even if I was full-term.

hart&sole said...

Addalee Bates was in the NICU...since then, Ellie, Callie-Anna, and Judson, have been added to the family

tulip said...

Even if they don't believe in "birth control" per se, what's so wrong about just being mindful of the timing of when they're together? "Natural Family Planning"...a great thing (especially when you have 18 children already!)

Natural, yes, natural...what would be wrong with that? No pills, hormones or anything else to purposefully prevent eggs from releasing, embryos from attatching & developing, or whatever other scientific stuff contraception does to interfere with "God's plan". So, they can be aware of the timing of her cycle, and if a pregnancy occurs even with trying that, then, sure, it's definitely God's blessing...it seems like the route The Duggars & Bates are going it's basically an anything-goes, free-for-all.

Elverna Bradshaw said...

I really think the birth control thing is a red herring they throw out to the non_Quiverfull.

The purpose of these families is to have as many children as possible(to fill their quiver)...no matter what. Why else would these women risk their lives like that? Any sane person would say.."Eighteen kids? I think that's enough". But not Kelly (and Michelle). They have their mandate to fill that quiver with children for God's army.

Annie said...

There are two reasons for the Bates not using birth control.
1) They believe that adults should only have sex if they intend to get pregnant
2) They believe that life begins at conception. Hormonal birth control works in three ways. One of those ways is preventing an embryo from attaching to the uterus wall. This is why many women are against the personhood bills.

Since the bates believe that life begins at conception, they are ok with using medical intervention to help the pregnancy along. They consider this their duty since the fetus is a full fledge child to them. They will do the same thing for any of their children.

Kitten said...

it seems like the route The Duggars & Bates are going it's basically an anything-goes, free-for-all.

Actually, I think the Duggars and the Bates are well aware of the wives' cycles (remember Michelle posting her cycles on the family calendar?) and actively use that information to try to become pregnant as often as possible. They don't "leave it up to God" any more than the birth control crowd does--they are doing everything in their power to conceive as many babies as they can.

tulip said...

You are right-they do seem to just be trying to have as many as possible, but, yet, specifically state they are not part of "Quiverfull", and that they are just wanting to leave the number of children up to God. So, if that's the case, then why do they seem like they are, in fact, TRYING to have as many as possible? Wouldn't that be Quiverfull? These people are utterly confusing, and therefore annoying! By the way, I didn't know the calendar posted Michelle's cycles...Ugh!

Seriously? said...

"I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that there was a "home birth bonus" built into their TLC contract. In fact, it mkaes a lot of sense when you look back at their seemingly random, spur of the moment decision to stay at home for Mack's birth. Most home birthers I know plan for it well in advance, and are fully prepared. They don't just go into labor and think "Hey! Let's have a home birth!" like a bad Judy Garland/Mickey Rooney movie."

---------------------------------

EXCELLENT points: bonus $ for home birthing on camera + approaching a home birth like Judy and Mickey "Let's have a show!!". Really good points raised here and, IMO, right on target for the Duggars.

Re: the whole "let god decide"... So, if god can be counted on to decide if a pregnancy should occur, WHY can god not be counted on to follow through by ensuring that pregnancy (that he supposedly allowed) results in a fullterm, healthy baby? Am I to assume this god demands control over pregnancy occurrences but then needs human intervention to steer these same pregnancies through to a healthy outcome?

Just more Duggar pretzel logic. I think that's why you gotta keep 'em down on the Duggar farm, because once they start asking serious questions, the nonsensical Gothard/Duggar rote, party-line platitudes simply make no sense at all.

SmokeyKitty said...

My impression from these comments is that Anna's doctor not being available and hence the home birth was probably b/c her doctor was making a special exception and allowing the birth to be filmed. But with the doctor not present the other medical professionals would probably prohibit the camera crews from the delivery rooms and hence the last minute home birth.
Honestly, I don't understand how they can all be so modest but then have no problem having a bunch of guys with cameras filming them naked and giving birth in a tub. I'm not the world's most modest person and honestly I find the idea of being naked and filmed while pushing out a baby to be my idea of a nightmare!

mk said...

SmokeyKitty, totally agree with your logic...but have you ever delivered naturally? When I was to the pushing part, 5,000,000 people could have been watching and I would not have really noticed or cared...even if I was on the potty like Anna. ;)

Alberta Rose said...

Re: the whole "let god decide"... So, if god can be counted on to decide if a pregnancy should occur, WHY can god not be counted on to follow through by ensuring that pregnancy (that he supposedly allowed) results in a fullterm, healthy baby? Am I to assume this god demands control over pregnancy occurrences but then needs human intervention to steer these same pregnancies through to a healthy outcome?

Just more Duggar pretzel logic. I think that's why you gotta keep 'em down on the Duggar farm, because once they start asking serious questions, the nonsensical Gothard/Duggar rote, party-line platitudes simply make no sense at all.

How so? The Duggars have never used medication to prevent a miscarriage or to boost fertility, it's the Bates who have. Whether a woman is using a doctor or a midwife, you do what the care provider says. If you're in the hospital, with preclampsia, gallbladder problems and high blood pressure, you're going to be praying "Thank you Lord for blessing these people with the wisdom to save mine and my baby's life".

As for Josh and Anna's first delivery, Plan A was the hospital, Plan B was at home. Bradley and Birthing From Within have that in common, preparing you for either hospital or home birth. You'd have to be knowledgable about home birthing to realize that wasn't a spur of the moment, last minute decision.

hart&sole said...

Although they have some of the same religious mind set as the Duggars do, the Bates are nothing like the Duggars. Kelly has an entire collection of curriculum for homeschooling and uses the Wisdom Booklets for family Bible time. The Bates children do NOT do everything together and are allowed to pursue different interests. The children have toys and are allowed to read books that aren't religious, like the Nancy Drew series for example. Kelly is a hands on mother, and Gil is a terrific Dad. He pitches right in when there is work to do and doesn't stand there waiting for others to carry heavy things, etc. They are a sweet, caring, exceedingly humble family.

Willow said...

hart& sole: I agree with your comparison of Bates and Duggar families. They are alike in some ways, but I have always thought the Bates seemed a "little" more well-rounded or whatever you might want to call it. They actually attend a regular church and seem to have a broader muscial interest. They have "buddies" I think, but they just don't seem as extreme. They don't seem as "silly" (for lack of a better word) as the Duggars. I was glad to hear you say they are allowed to go places separately and have a different home schooling system. I didn't realize that before. I wonder if they would change much if they were on television as much as the Duggars.

hart&sole said...

It is my belief that every one of us would change if we were on TV as much as the Duggars are, and had their opportunities and money.

As for the Bates buddy system, Tori is actually Judson's buddy, but more often we see Gil or Michaela holding him. Michaela loves babies and children...really!!...and I am guessing that Gil realizes that Judson is heavy so he puts him in the baby carrier he uses.

I have never observed that the Bates want to be the Duggars. If anything I get the feeling they are glad NOT to be the Duggars, although being friends with the Duggars has not been without advantages. Maybe it's the best of both worlds?

ennvee said...

Don't let the fact the Bateses go to a "church" rather than a home fool you. They belong to the very contraversial Independent Fundamentalist Baptist church; they are every bit as legalistic as the Duggars, if not more. Kelly shills Gothard's products on her family blog.

Without TLC, the Bateses (and the Duggars) would still be cramped in tiny houses and their lives would not appear (operative word) nearly as idyllic as they do today.

I'm sorry, but I find the Bateses more insidiously dangerous than the Duggars because they come off all folksy and sweet. However, the fallout from the horse incident illustrates how good these people are at twisting the truth about those animals, Lawson's role in the family: they expect him to contribute every penny he earns to the family pot until he moves out, but he has NO CHOICE on when he gets to move out like most LEGAL ADULTS. If you read the family blog right now, she is not comfortable answering questions about what would happen if one of her kids decided to go a little more mainstream in their beliefs and move out; she called the Keller kids "rebellious" for crying out loud. Last time I checked, all of them remain conservative Christians and are okay with God, which is what should matter, but Kelly has essentially admitted there are rules (made by Gothard, not God) that are being broken. But you have to know your Gothard to be able to read into her pap.

But hey, what else can you expect? They learned how to defend and deflect from the master, Gothard.

I wish her well with the baby, but I have even less respect for this couple than I do for the Duggars, who are at least a little more forthcoming about their motives, although still major double-talking hypocrites.

duggar fan said...

I wonder what Kelly has done to cause all these miscarriages? How many has she had.

I do not mean that in a cruel way. I am trying to be ironic. Because, the Duggars started their personal philosophy of "having as many children as God would give them"; after a miscarriage that they felt they had caused, using birth control.

I think God is bigger than our mistakes and that I too have as many children as God would have me to have. And I used birth control for 30 years! I got pregnant twice on the pill and twice with condoms...(I have four children, none planned) God was bigger than birthcontrol!

The miscarriages that Kelly has had and Anna had, those could also be caused by GETTING pregnant too soon after a previous pregnancy. And all these pregnancies can actually be causing ill health in the bodies of the women who keep getting pregnant year after year. There has actually been some studies that show that miscarriages (and abortion)increase the likelihood of breast cancer.

Don't they abstain from drinking and smoking to protect their health? Having all these kids is like smoking, because one lusts after nicotine; then saying that they will "take as much cancer as God gives them"!

Having children is a choice, that is a fact. (except in rape) It is ALWAYS in the power of the couple to have or not have, as they decide to abstain or slow down bedroom behavior...control their passions. God gave us some discretion.

hart&sole said...

What I think Kelly said was that since she hadn't heard anything from the source, the Keller parents, she was not going to comment on gossip. She also said that she would love her own children regardless of their choices. For the life of me I can't believe that the Duggars or the Bateses are dangerous, except maybe to themselves. I will agree that Bill Gothard seems dangerous since he is funding conservative fundamentalist politicians. The Duggars and Bateses merely drank the Kool-Aid, however after a while the Kool-Aide seems to have become kind of watery.

ennvee said...

I don't doubt the Kellers lost love for the kids who left Gothardism, so Kelly's answer is again ambiguous in a way that most people will accept as "schooling" the person who asked what she would do.

The fact that people aren't taking these kind of responses with the grain of salt required when you have to consider Gothard's definition of rebellion in her response makes it easy for me to see how she talks out of both sides of her mouth at the same time.

Not going to gossip said...

I have seen no concrete proof that the Kellers have shunned any of their children. The closest to that I've seen is that one son was not invited to a gathering of Kellers and Duggars that was held I believe at the Duggar house. One might construe many things from that.

I read Kelly's responses to the questions and they seem absolutely calm and reasonable to me. She knows nothing concrete and is not going to speculate. What is wrong with that?

hart&sole said...

Somehow I can't imagine anyone in the Gothard crowd bad-mouthing anyone else. They all have "sweet relationships, are an encouragement to each other and fellowship together." However...being just a little bit nosy, OK, a lot nosey, I've kept up with the facebook pages of the Kellers. Susanna posted on her wall that, "Anna screwed me after I took the time off." This was about the suddenly canceled baby shower that Susanna and Rebecca planned to attend. Later there was a post about the elder Kellers suddenly canceling a trip to Houston which was planned at Mike's and Suzette's convenience. Then on Daniel's wall he posted that, "We have the worst parents in the world." So, yeah I would say there is something going on there, I just hope that it is resolved prior to Priscilla's and Susanna's weddings since problems arising at those times might make a rift that would be very hard to breach. What a shame that would be!

Not going to gossip said...

I'd be hard pressed to want to be around a son who had publicly declared me to be the worst parent in the world. It sounds like the son has some issues of his own. That said, I'm very thankful I wasn't brought up in the Keller household also. I think those repressive households usually lead to a large percentage of the offspring rebelling.

I wish them all well. No family needs rifts.

Kit said...

It is my belief that every one of us would change if we were on TV as much as the Duggars are, and had their opportunities and money.

And it is my belief that most of us are not the greedy, narcissistic attention whores that take every opportunity that comes their way to grab the spotlight, be it a TV show or running for office or telling a cab driver about all your kids. Most of us respect our privacy and our family's privacy enough to know that a reality show that involves/exploits children is a REALLY BAD idea.

As much as I would love to travel around the world on an all-expenses paid trip, or live in a home that someone else paid for, I would NEVER trade my family's right to be normal, private people for those 30 pieces of silver.

Look, really look, at these reality shows. Whatever the differences in the people's beliefs or family styles, there is only ONE kind of person who appears in them - Kate Gosselin, JimBob Duggar, Matt Roloff, and Kris Kardashian are all the SAME TYPE OF PERSON. I don't think the money and attention CHANGES them - it simply REVEALS them, because eventually, no matter how well you think you're faking it, the REAL you comes out.

Elvira said...

I agree most people have the sense to stay off TV. With all the families that have gone on TV and then wreaked or nearly wreaked their marriages, more people saw that trading one's life for money is a form of prostitution and almost everyone can see why that is wrong.

I know people who have refused the TLC unholy exchange and are glad that they did. Fame is fleeting but the damage is permanent.

hart&sole said...

It seems a couple of things have been forgotten here. I would never deny that both Jim Bob and Michelle have become fame whores, but back in the day they seemed pretty tame. Perhaps if I had 16 children (God forbid) and lived in a way too small house, who knows what I would have said when TLC came along with their offer? If I were the Duggars, I might have even thought it was 'God's will.' After all the first two specials didn't do any harm. Once the cash and perks start rolling in, and they believed this was their 'ministry,' I'm sure it was like a snowball rolling down hill. It's not all that hard to go from poor to rich, but going from rich to poor wouldn't be a fun trip. Within their Gothard group they are royalty, so who is going to tell them the rest of us consider them to be 'pimping out' their family? And let's not forget, the Gothardites truly believe the rest of us are Godless blind fools heading straight to hell, so why would they care if they were told?

Kit said...

...who is going to tell them the rest of us consider them to be 'pimping out' their family? And let's not forget, the Gothardites truly believe the rest of us are Godless blind fools heading straight to hell, so why would they care if they were told?

Well, we are telling them, even if they don't care. It's pretty common knowledge that TLC and at least some of the Duggars peruse this and similar sites, so they know what's being said. Some of the choices they've made in the filming and the family dynamics strongly indicate that they adjust what they're doing in an attempt to deflect public criticism and maintain their ratings and brand (CollegeMinus, anyone?).

That said, whether they "care" or not is irrelevant. They put their family on display for money, so we're entitled to criticize and comment to our heart's content (after all, we're the ones who are, in the end, paying for the "entertainment"). If you don't want the public to scrutinize your choices and lifestyle, don't put your life on TV. Even JimBob can figure that one out.

However, I suspect he's quite happy with any attention, negative or not. He is, IMO, the very definition of a pimp, because he doesn't care how his "stable" feels about the attention; he's just focused on the greenies and the feeling of power and importance he gets from it all.

hart&sole said...

While I still think that Michelle is the one with the power in that family and she will even put up with Jim Bob making an ass of himself to keep the show going. Not to mention that she will get pregnant as many times as it takes. Jim Bob is the nerd at school who somehow captured the pretty cheerleader. I will definately agree that the only reason they would care what we Godless heathens think is 'RATINGS.'

hart&sole said...

I rechecked Kelly Bates' site. Another person wrote that some of the Keller kids were rebellious. Kelly did not say that!

Speaking of the Keller's apparently Anna attended the reunion that the senior Kellers missed. If that's true, kudos to her. You just don't quit loving your baby sister because she chose a different lifestyle than you did, do you? Susannah is still a fundamental Christian, she isn't working for an escort service! Even if she was....???

londonbridges said...

I couldn't agree more Kit. I believe that JimBob and Michelle are indeed 'pimping' their family, and it doesn't seem to matter to them that some of the blessings appear so sad and unhappy. All the attention (positive or negative) and the beloved money seem to take priority over the blessings' privacy and happiness. JMHO.

HondaMom said...

Has Mrs. Bates delivered all her children in hospital?

No. I happen to know a midwife that they have used for some of their births (an legally-licensed, extremely experienced midwife. Not a "doula who happened to help catch" like Anna had with her first).

Nana Sew Dear said...

Boy, I am with ya gals! I delivered my two sons at home 34 and 31 years ago with no pain med. The first one took 23 hours and I hemoraged and ended up in a hospital anyway. I still chose to delive son Joel at home because I thought it best. After I was done i laid naked to the world and vaguely remember my neighbor coming to visit. I didn't give a hoot!
For folks that seem to think that theit collar bones, elbows and knees are sexually suggestive it is strange that Anna keeps going for this. But, after all, Josh is like his dad a WONDERFUL husband...

Sharla said...

Unconfirmed report

Wednesday, February 1, 2012
**SPECIAL BATES NEWS**
Gil and Kelly Bates had their baby boy today. The TLC film crew was there today and filmed the whole birth! More information will be posted when we hear more about it. !! He's now having trouble breathing and was placed in the neo-natal icu unit. He was born two weeks early. Please pray that he will be okay and get better soon.

Patrice said...

I didn't think the Bateses would stoop as low as the Duggars and have a TLC crew film the birth. Sad and pathetic.
Now that they are tied, are we in for a race to see who can successfully carry number 20 to term?

Elverna Bradshaw said...

If it's true that the Bateses are getting their own TLC show, it's a given that the birth was filmed. Also wasn't one or more of their previous births shown on tv?

tulip said...

I actually didn't mind TLC capturing Kelly's other birth shown in season 3 (I think?) Anyway, it was very different than those filmed of Michelle. Gil & Kelly prayed, read Bible passages and Kelly gave her newborn the first bath herself. IMO, it was very real, and sweet.

Michelle's labor and deliveries (excluding Josie) seemed all about showcasing Michelle & Jim Bob. Grandma Duggar even made eggs & toast for Jim Bob so he would have a good breakfast for the labor. Oh well, at least he didn't take a nap...I guess Grandma wasn't available to cater to Josh when Anna was in labor.

Elverna Bradshaw said...

So is this considered Bates child #19 (using most peoples' standards) or #22 (using the Duggars')?

If it's the latter, the Bateses are winning the baby sweepstakes and I bet it's eating at Michelle like nothing else.

ennvee said...

If TLC did film, I guess the show will go on for the Duggars at some point (I'm still angling for an April premiere with the best episodes saved for May Sweeps).

Hope everything is okay with the little boy, but this isn't the first problematic delivery that Kelly has had (the other one was a couple of weeks early as well and almost killed Kelly).

Just wondering: Kelly has admitted on her blog that she uses progesterone up to 26 weeks. I thought treatments generally stopped after the first trimester: the time when the majority of miscarriages - which they are trying to avoid in their culture of "life". It sounds like she's angling for "viability," not just protecting an early miscarriage.

Do other women take progesterone so late into their pregnancies and could that possibly be why the baby has some problems? I imagine it doesn't matter and that the cord was wrapped around his neck or somesuch. Anyone want to weigh in on the effects of progesterone later that the first trimester in gestation, if any?

Sixpence never the richer said...

I don't know anything about progesterone or what caused Kelly's previous miscarriages but I really hope that the baby making stops for her own safety. I think that her and Michelle both are taking huge risks by continuing to attempt pregnancy. I think that we will be hearing another Duggar baby announcement from Michelle this year. Maybe another double doctor date with Anna will be shown?

sandi said...

Progesterone levels are high in the third trimester anyway;I don't know what,if any,effect it would have up to week 26.It would also depend on how it was administered.If it was a vaginal gel,it would have very little effect on blood levels and would affect the uterus only.Has Kelly said what form she was using?

sandi said...

Meant to add,congrats to the Bates on the new baby,may he get well and be home soon!

Elvira said...

The odds of Kelly or Michelle having another child are very, very slim. They are both 45 when women's fertility crashes.

ennvee said...

It would also depend on how it was administered.If it was a vaginal gel,it would have very little effect on blood levels and would affect the uterus only.Has Kelly said what form she was using?

==================================

I think I recall a combination of pills and suppositories. IT's been a while since she made the post and at almost 11:30, I'm not combing through her blog to find it.

I expect Gil or the older daughters will have an official baby notice up by morning, now that it's been texted to friends and ppl. on their email list that the baby is better.

heavennoseven said...

Poor Baby. I hope hes`s okay. I think this a sign like Josie that its time to stop,

Elverna Bradshaw said...

Lawson's got another mouth to feed now (after he's done nursing) so I hope he can pick up a few more lawns to mow.

Vera said...

I'll bet Jim Bob and Michelle are just itching for another blessing...moreso than usual. It just wouldn't do to be tied with the Bates'.

I pray that God has mercy on the youngest Duggar children and gives them the courage and wisdom to escape from all this at some point. They deserve to be loved and cherished for their individual worth and I just don't see how that's possible with so many of them. Maybe their sister-mothers love them but their birth mother seems to concerned with her next production.

I wonder how she is going to answer for this when she is standing before God's throne and called upon...blame him like they have done all along?

ennvee said...

Found some pics from Kelly's sister's FB page. She says Zach had the same thing when he was born.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002284995649&sk=wall

If the link doesn't work, search for Kim Callaham Adkins. Pics are posted on her ~public~ wall.

Devil's Advocate said...

I don't know Kelly's situation personally, but do have experience with taking progesterone to avoid miscarriage. I think how long a woman takes it depends on the doctor and how pregnant she is. With my first pregnancy, I took it until I was 20 weeks along. The second, I stopped at around 15 weeks. During my second pregnancy, my doctor told me that she didn't know of any research that indicated taking progesterone after the end of the first trimester improved the chances of avoiding miscarriage. But, she didn't think that taking it past the first trimester hurt the baby, either.

Yes, Kelly is getting older and her natural ability to have children decreases all the time... but as with Michelle/Josie, we have no actual information to support that the maternal age had ANY part in the struggles the babies themselves may have had upon birth (or before). Lots of young women have children early, have children who experience breathing problems at birth, have trouble with progesterone in the first trimester, have problems with hypertension. Once again, I may not agree with lots of things these two families do, but I don't think we should assume a baby's health issues are due strictly to maternal age.

tiffches said...

I hope the Bate's baby is healthy. No child should go through the pain that Josie did, just so the moms can play a numbers game. I do not see JimBob or Josh as being great dads or husbands. Josh is just like his dad.
But the most aggravating thing about Michelle and Jim Bob are they did the show for money and lie about it. If the whole purpose was to show what wonderful values they have, then instead of so many trips etc, they could give their money to charity, like a childrens hospital.
I am not saying they should give their money away. I am saying they should quit lying about their reasons for doing the show.

Elvira said...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/statab/t991x07.pdf

Link to CDC chart of birthrates by age. Of course, most women 45 and up are not trying to conceive but even so the rate is very small.

Elvira said...

More recent chart:
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0080.pdf

tulip said...

So Kelly's SISTER posted baby pics on her facebook? Does anyone else find this annoying besides me? Family & relatives posting personal pics that aren't really their business before the people actually involved post? Amy (supposedly) posting the Jubilee pics online before "officially" being released, Josh posting the funeral picture (totally insensitive to post something like that in such a casual way via Instagram!), and now Kelly's sister posting before The Bates' personal site has even officially announced the birth? Seems like a pretty sneaky way to get attention to me.

Vera said...

You know, if Kelly Bates has to use progesterone in order to carry a pregnancy, maybe that's God's way of telling her that she has put her body through enough and it's time to close up the shop.

I mean, if these were her first couple of pregnancies then the intervention would be understandable certainly. My mom had to take hormones in order to carry my sister. Sometimes help is necessary but in the Bates' case - given Kelly's age and number of pregnancies she's already carried to term...maybe her body just can't do it without help anymore and that should be telling her something. But it won't. No more than Jubilee's death following all that Josie went though told Michelle anything.

These people are going to just keep going until they reach menopause or, God forbid, they die in pregnancy/childbirth. And then they will leave their gigantic families motherless. I guess that's the one good point about the older Duggar daughters shouldering the entire load all this time - if the unthinkable happens, the household can continue to run.

The shame of it is that this loss is truly in the realm of possiblity if they keep going AND that Michelle has abdicated her responsibilities to the point that the house could keep on running without her there at all. SMH...SMH...

heavennoseven said...

How many sets of twins does Kelly have?


How many times has she been pregnant(including miscarriages).


Michelle: 21(as far as we know).

Elverna Bradshaw said...

Kelly has 0 sets of twins, 19 living children and 3 (named) miscarriages for a total of 22 pregnancies. (winner!)

heavennoseven said...

Michelle only had 19, I forgot about the twins.

roddma said...

"Once again, I may not agree with lots of things these two families do, but I don't think we should assume a baby's health issues are due strictly to maternal age."
The real reason is never addressed-Michelle and Kelly have exerted their bodies passed what it can handle.

Willow said...

Has anyone heard any news about Kelly's new baby - like how he is doing with his breathing problem or what his name is? Hope all is well for Kelly and the baby.

ennvee said...

The real reason is never addressed-Michelle and Kelly have exerted their bodies passed what it can handle.

====================================

I haven't seen pictures of Kelly in her younger days, but man, Michelle has shrunk probably 6 inches in the last few years. It was really evident during the wedding yesterday when she was standing with all the other "elders." The top of her hair doesn't even reach Jim Bob's shoulder these days. Someone found a picture of her when she was pregnant around James or Justin (still wearing the wide Peter Pan collar jumpers...I think during Jim Bob's failed run for the senate 10 years ago) and she looked 5'3" to Jim Bob's 5'11". Joy towers over her (they were standing next to one another during the musical interlude at the wedding so you could really see the difference) and Joy is still a bit shorter than Jana (who is 5'4").

Vera said...

I saw a photo of Michelle and Jim Bob recently and thought the same thing. She really does seem to have shrunk. I'm not really surprised though. The human body can only take so much abuse before it starts to protest.

ennvee said...

New posts are up on the Bateses' blog. They named the poor kid Jeb Colton; 7 lb. 8 oz, 20". Still in the NICU, from what is implied in her post (about how he'll see his "new home" in a few days).

Also had a giggle when Kelly described how Jeb ingested amniotic fluid due to his "quick descent through the birth canal."

It's her 19th kid (with no c-sections that I can recall). Is there any other way for a newborn to descend at this point? :D

Amanda said...

I fail to understand how a quick descent equals ingesting amniotic fluid. I'd think there would be less chance. I delivered one of my children with one push and that child didn't ingest any amniotic fluid.

ennvee said...

That's what I thought when I read it. I'm just posting what they write, which often borders on the incredulous.

I can't picture what she said unless his mouth was wide open, but it's not like he was breathing yet. I plead ignorance here; I'm childless and don't know anyone who has encountered this situation.

I'm sure someone here can verify that something like this can happen. Whatever did happen put the poor little guy in the NICU for the first week of his life.

Amniotic fluid said...

MAS can happen before, during, or after labor and delivery when a newborn inhales (or aspirates) a mixture of meconium and amniotic fluid (the fluid in which the baby floats inside the amniotic sac). Meconium is the baby's first feces, or poop, which is sticky, thick, and dark green and is typically passed in the womb during early pregnancy and again in the first few days after birth.

Elverna Bradshaw said...

Jeb Colton? As in JEB Stuart, the Civil War general? I'm sensing a theme here.

It's a good thing that TLC is probably picking up their hospital tab (for the rights to film) because Lawson would never be able to get married otherwise.

Patrice said...

All that time to think of a name and all they could come up with was Jeb? Another disadvantage of having too many kids, I guess. All the names they liked are already taken.
Hope the two families settle on a truce now: "We are tied so let's both quit".

Anonymous said...

I wonder who will be footing the bill for little Jeb's NICU expenses, since the newest member of the Bates Family doesn't have insurance and Gil & Kelly don't believe in taking government handouts. Wait. . .that doesn't include medical care which the family has no problem accepting for free.

sandi said...

Kelly didn't say he had problems with meconium though.She said excess amniotic fluid,which can be caused by a number of things:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyhydramnios

Elverna Bradshaw said...

As for little Jeb Stuart's...I mean Colton's name, apparently it took 5 days of voting amongst the family with a final round between 2 names.

However....the winning name was nixed by Gil, who was the final authority and chief decider who came up with Jeb. (which apparently was not one of the choices) *smh* Why bother going through all of that voting if it didn't even matter?

ennvee said...

They had to get in another Confederate general after they faced huge backlash because of a picture of Nathan Bedford Forrest - founder of the KKK - hanging in one of the boys' bedrooms (shown on the first episode when the remodel was done or close to it). Subsequent visits to the home show that it's since been removed.

Since there's a Nathan in their brood and Gil ended up picking the name, I've no doubt this is a "Confederate" thing. BUT the name traces back to Jedidiah. The name definition they give for Jeb = Jedidiah - except for the coal thing. Jedidiah is apparently not as common in the US as Jebidiah. This gives the name enough ambiguity to be acceptable to anyone accepting Kelly's word at face value (and not a student of the Civil War, especially the Confederacy).

Elverna Bradshaw said...

Isn't that picture of Nathan Bedford Forrest now hanging in their "Patriots' Room"? I thought people with sharp eyes had spied it when the Bateses gave a tour of the new and improved house.

(By the way, does anyone know what Nathan Bates's middle name is?)

ennvee said...

None of the Bateses' middle names are listed on the website, but I've seen their names SOMEWHERE (maybe on the blog, but Kelly removed them?), and I don't think his middle name is related to Mr. Forrest.

The picture of the Original Forrest WAS in that room, where some of the younger boys sleep, IIRC, but they got a lot of criticism after that episode aired and the room was shown later (during the Duggars' last visit, I think) and the picture had been removed. I'm sure it went right back up after the TLC crew left.

Vera said...

Uh-oh! The People article says that Kelly has given birth more times than Michelle! We all know it's true but now it's in print! Yikes! Yep...I am thoroughly expecting to hear that Michelle is expecting again very soon.

ennvee said...

Oh dear. I'm happy the kid got off with "Jeb Colton," despite the name's connotations now that I know what could have been. Here's Kelly's response to someone on her blog about the naming process (and the name the next boy will get)...

The children received a baby announcement from a pastor we know and they fell in love with one of the names he had chosen (Stetson)… from that they came up with Joe Stetson. We took a family vote on our top 3 names, and the name that won the vote was Joe Stetson…. but Dad’s vote over rode the kids and Jeb Colton won out in the end… but we’ll save Joe Stetson just in case the Lord gives us another son. Love, Kelly

I just hope the Lord gives her no more kids, but if there must be more, let them be girls.

Elverna Bradshaw said...

What's with the Bateses turning to J names now? Judson (last baby before the new one), JEB and now future Joe Stetson (*vom*)? hmm

sandi said...

Stetson reminds me of the men's cologne,which came out in the 70's and is nothing new.I guess they've never heard of it.Yes,I hope any more are girls!