Post to the Duggar Defenders

In response to those who think the Duggars are doing so well.  

104 comments:

no name said...

I read the open letter and a lot of it seemed to make sense. You can tell that Jana is very sad if you look at her eyes. This also explains why none of the older girls are doing anything except help around the house. Jana was an exception because of jill. And jill was allowed to further her education because it could help her serve others.

Anonymous said...

that letter is so right. they are not happy. they have no friends and do not even really attend a church. I hope Jana and Josiah leave they both look so unhappy. Jessa does not look happy either.

Buckeye said...

With the news that Dugarette Jill became preggers with a honeymoon baby, And Another One Bites the Dust. One more woman whose potential has been. Completely squashed in the name of alleged holiness.

What an incredible tragedy to be born American yet denied even the most basic freedoms. AND your captors are those who supposedly love you most.

WHY must religion be male dominated? What is it exactly that fuels 'men of faith' to demand such absolute control of women?

How is Duggar-like right wing Christianity different from eastern religions that dictate female attire, absolute and unquestioning obedience, and total expendability for any hint of critical thinking or individuality, or even just a perceived 'dishonor' of the male dominated family?

So, Jill Duggar is already on her path to abandon any further intellectual or career interests. Her uterine destiny will be one more clown car of endless babies, and her body will, sadly, pay the price by becoming doughy, overweight, and frumpy enough to ensure she does risk creating a "Nike!" moment for any weak willed man. And the hit to her personal potential (and that of all women in these Christian cults) is immeasurable.

The self righteousness of these groups is incredibly off putting. If the goal of religion is to welcome, love, and inspire others, the failure of the Duggars and their ilk is absolute and complete.

Anonymous said...

I, too, read the open letter and it makes perfect sense. From what I have seen on TV, I believe that this is the Duggars' belief system and lifestyle. They and TLC "smooth it over" a bit to remain palatable to the viewing public.The Duggars really need to address ALL the questions and issues that are raised about their kids and lifestyle and their true belief about women being subservient to the males in their family etc. ALL of it.
Can't help but still be awed by some posters who still ask why they don't work or go to college. They think after they marry they can continue their education.. they just don't get that it's just not in their belief system for a female to do anything outside the house. Jill was/is a big exception to the rule with the midwifery "hobby" and she HAD to take poor Jana with her.
This whole religious sect needs to have a factual no holes barred TV special on what really goes on in that society. I, for one, would like to learn the facts.

Anonymous said...

The job of a parent is to prepare each of their children to live independently and to be able to overcome adversity on their own. These children are totally dependent and ill prepared for living.

There will always be some creepy male chauvinists hiding behind their religious beliefs to subjugate women. It is up to the women to break free of their control and all of their brain washing. I see a wealth of examples of child abuse in these families. These fathers know what they are doing. I just wish their wives were a lot smarter.

tulip said...

Excellent post. Sadly, though, I'm afraid the "defenders" are going to just keep on defending. Frankly, I'm really tired of all the sweet talk & giggling. I want to hear statements about Phillips and Gothard, I want to hear Jill come right out and say what's going on with her midwifery training and not beat around the bush. As one poster mentioned, at least Alyssa Bates had the courage to flat out say she wasn't pursuing a "career" because she might then get pregnant. I want JB & Michelle to tell what they're doing with their millions.

Yes, I think money does have a right to be talked about here, and in response to a defender's possible response of 'money is personal, no one has a right to ask what you do with your money', I say The Duggars are all about using their "fame" as a ministry. I have never seen JB publicly write a check to any of these groups. They have given yard sale proceeds or volunteered their time and dropped a 10 spot in the tip can for the cause, but I have yet to see a personal check handed over. Seriously, we even saw Kate G. write out a check to the Ronald McDonald house, and no, I'm not saying that was in fact credible, but at least it was acknowledged and shown.

They gave a nod to CollegePlus when 'college' became an issue because the older kids started "graduating". Not one peep since. They all talked down brand name stuff, even if they found an American Eagle polo at the thrift store it was all about no branding. Michelle stated since they were homeschooled, their kids didn't have the same struggles with that. Now we see Josh buying Anna Coach purses, Michelle sporting a North Face jacket and other normally higher-end branded shirts on the guys. In the beginning they basically denounced too much technology, showing their 1990s computer terminals for homeschooling only. Now they're walking around with their iphones, laptops, tablets and Macs w/ giant screen monitors. Not to mention, for children who were supposedly taught that the world is "not all about them", I've never seen more selfies, mag. covers, and 'pay attention to us and me' propaganda being shoved down America's throats except for the Kardashians. Wow, just wow.

Londonbridges said...

Who is protecting the Duggar blessings and thousands of other young women from Gothard? I really wonder if JimBob and Michelle have even considered the possibility that Gothard may have acted "inappropriately" with their daughters? Gil Bates still is part of the organization, I believe, and is either in denial with regard to the allegations, or trusts that his daughters were not harmed by Gothard. As parents, the responsibility of protecting their children is ultimately on them. JMHO.

Andrea said...

One of the best articles I've read about the Duggars. I feel particularly distressed for the adult daughters. Also that song about smiling is diabolical.

Anonymous said...

at end of the day the duggars no better than the kardashians. one day their be a scandal in duggarville.

no name said...

I hope that Derrick puts his foot down will jill on all of this and let's his kids go out for school, have friends, and go to college if they want to. But we shall have to wait and see. I wonder what a duggar would do if they read this letter?

Anonymous said...

I agree that their religious restrictions on women does mirror those of the extreme eastern cult-like religions which dominate women and give them NO rights. Why can't they see this? I's surprised at the first generation women here who some of which have a college degree, like Kelly Jo Bates.. why did she take up a desk in school? That kept someone else from attending school because she was taking up empty space..these women turn off their intelligence, IMO, and that is the shame of it. Many, I'm sure are more intelligent than their own husbands, or have strengths in areas that their husbands might not yet they aren't allowed to display that strength.. they have to blindly follow their husbands with adoring eyes.
Jill is absolutely DONE with any personal/intellectual growth from this point on, officially. I didn't hold much hope at all that she would complete any real training nor would she actually work at her career goal in her own right. It was something she was "keeping busy" with until she married. She may have been just kidding herself all along and it's a shame because she actually displayed interest and a talent in delivering children. Why couldn't she become an ob/gyn herself? I think she could have done so if she had a good basic education in a real school, K-12.None of these kids, the guys included, will be anything to speak of career wise, family life is important but it's a part of life. They won't contribute much else.

Rudy Tecat said...

To be fair, the Duggars haven't done all that bad, yet, either. Josh has a decent job (and paycheck and perks, like travel, vacations, etc. I've seen a couple of interviews with him, and a speech, and he seems quite articulate. Of course, he's spouting the party line and being served up softballs (you'll never see him on Jon Stewart) but he's doing ok. And, the girls aren't exactly living in a vacuum, either. They've seen how younger women dress and act and live by themselves, so they know what's out there. And, to quote a oft-repeated response to Duggar criticism, we've only seen a very small portion of their lives. Who knows what goes on most of their days.

Anonymous said...

The fact that the Duggar girls were all taught to keep their hair wavy and in my opinion overly curly, tells me that JimBoob was keeping them just the way Bill Gothard wanted them to be. Sick!

Anonymous said...

And please stop the same letter naming. Alphabetically would be so much more original. And each child would get their own letter(gasp). Start the first born with the lovely letter A name, the second one would get B and etc. Hey at least the world would know who was the first born and so on.

crabby said...

I also agree with the letter.
It bothers me so much that the parents have created so much body shame. Back in the very early episodes when the kids were young, the girls all wore old-timey long dresses, and Michelle said it was to draw attention to the face. Now you have Michelle zip lining in a skirt, both Michelle and JB snorkeling in dresses and jean shorts, the girls "running" a race in jean skirts and flip flops. Is that drawing attention to their faces? It seems to draw attention to the wrong end!
I then wonder if any of the kids could be a professional ballerina, an olympic swimmer, a surgeon, an artist, a clothing designer... But none of that is possible because they are not allowed to see the human body. The boys can't even be in the room when Michelle changes a diaper. I just see so much missed opportunity for those kids. I had my own checking account when I was 13, I took a college class while I was in high school, I worked a job and filed taxes, I voted, I traveled on my own. I can't imagine being in my 20s and not having done those things. If Derick wasn't around, I bet Jill wouldn't know how to pay the utility bills. I hope she is at least allowed to drive by herself and go shopping alone now!

Anonymous said...

as a Christian myself I have a big problem with the duggars. I know they love their children but they need to let them go and trust God will lead their lives not control them. They bates family is more open and do let their children go to College Erin Bates is very talented and she did graduate from a Christian College. Maybe kelly bates need to have a talk with her friend Michelle.

CannedSoup said...

Really, what is the point of every woman on the planet being only a "wife and a mother" generation after generation, ad infinitum? And, I don't mean this to put down wives and mothers, as I am one myself and stayed home for several years with a child. But, if that is ALL every woman does, then the waste of human potential is without measure and women truly do become nothing but "breeders." Women, then, would end up contributing nothing except the vague hope that men, only, will come up with the next best thing or product or idea or be a great leader or whatever. Ridiculous.

Then over on the Duggar Blog, Michelle is going on about how Jill should be viewing her severe morning sickness in a positive light---c'mon! Your daughter is nauseous and you want her to smile the whole time---get a grip!

Anonymous said...

Derick has been a disappointment so far with Jill already "expecting". Of course, HER parents were told the news in person and Derick's mother was a phone call, second in line. Get used to it, Cathy, you're going to have to be assertive if you want to stand up and be noticed by this attention hogging family.
With Derick's mother well, and I'm so glad for that, may she stay healthy and strong, I think it was selfish of Jill to have her wedding while Derick's mother was so ill with her treatment. Doctors know today which types of cancer is treatable and would have told her that after treatment she will have her strength back. She would have enjoyed being able to attend the rehearsal dinner and actually experience her own son's wedding. I believe the Duggar publicity train lead this decision. Jill easily could have waited just a little bit and do a nice thing for his mother.
Also on the web is Michelle, once again giving relationship/marriage-spark advice...nothing really new here from her, but she just can't keep her mouth shut and let her daughters have some attention, being Jessa and Jill..we are tired of hearing from Michelle waving her hands and saying 'look at me' everyone. Anyone else agree?

Anonymous said...

Another interesting open letter to Michelle regarding her robocall:

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5695326?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

Anonymous said...

I wonder what Michelle Duggar did with her "Mother of the Year Award" that Doug Phillips/Vision Forum gave her, now that Phillips has admitted to an inappropriate sexual relationship with an unmarried woman who is suing him ? Is the award on the Duggar fireplace mantle ?

Anonymous said...

Ben and Jessa have contracted out another pic to People mag.(the pic of the engagement ring).I bet that magazine pays a fortune. So the young future Mr. And Mrs. probably made fifty to a hundred thousand or more off from it. Looks like they will be sitting pretty after they are married even if neither have a job. They are big money making celebs now. But I prefer to follow these guys any day than the Kardashians.

Anonymous said...

Yes, the Duggar adulg children SEE other young adults coming and going places by themselves, living on their own, and socializing with people their own age. Even if these young people don't have sex outside of marriage while enjoying a healthy social life and activities without their whole family participating every time, these Duggar kids are told that to do so is a sin and that they had better not do any of that! The last part of this statement is what is wrong with the Duggars... they teach their children that ANY deviation from the original plan here is sinful, of course, they have a choice and choose to court, not kiss until marriage,,,etc...sure, it's momma and daddy's way or you're going to hell. What information and choice is that?

no name said...

I too saw the other letter. I wish somehow these letters actually made it to the Duggars. I know that they never will. The Duggars never go to public pools so I don't know why should would talk about them in her speech about voting no. I am glad that it got passed. I hope gay marriage comes next. It will be interesting to see what they, Michelle, has to say about that.

tulip said...

"Ben and Jessa have contracted out another pic to People mag.(the pic of the engagement ring).I bet that magazine pays a fortune."

Ok, um, I thought the Duggars denounced materialism...but, ooh, look at my ring y'all!

...and once again, say it with me now...hy-poc-ri-sy. Yup, that's right.

Ritter Standley said...

I think the kids are just too independent. They still need guidance right?

Anonymous said...

just realizd why they have a 1,000 people at the wedding. so they can get free gifts. and just give them snacks so they can get off for cheap. and I am sure tlc pays for the dress and the church does not cost that much. very sad for poor Jessa.

Tammy C said...

I have decided after reading this and other comments Derrick is pretty smart.Smart enough to get money for pictures because why not.Then when they become missionaries they won't have to raise money.They will have the money from the magazine.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 8/22 9:49 am. I laughed when I read your post about alphabetical naming. My great uncle and his wife named their kids Biblical names in alphabetical order and they made it to T which is the 20th letter of the alphabet so they beat JimBoob and MOTY. Their kids were all born at home but then again it was in early part of 1900s before birth control was available.

Anonymous said...

Alphabetical order would cute. Better than the same letter deal. So sick of that! Give your kids their own letter, their own identity. If going alphabetically for the first letter, then I am all for it! I do agree it would be easy to tell which kid is oldest and youngest.

auntliddy said...

In terms of ben and jill getting married and pregnant so quickly. Mb they did because his mom is so ill, and they want her to meet her grandchild. And they may called her because sometimes when u have chemo your immune system is compromised, so may have been told no visitors.

Miz Kizzle said...

They're celebrities whose "brand" is a mix of religion and sex: two sure-fire winners in America. Anyone who thinks that what they see on their TV screen is reality is an idiot. They're performers! It's heavily edited! They have tremendous incentive to keep the act going! Just examine the agendas of the political candidates that they endorse, and what the orginazation that employs Josh is all about and you'll see they're not as benign as they seem,

Anonymous said...

Re: anonymous 8/22 @12:03pm Your points are well taken about, if Jill & Derick had the wedding a couple of months later, Cathy could have been much more involved, & enjoyed the rehearsal dinner. Let's face it the Duggars don't care about Derick's mom. Of course, Jill & Derick couldn't keep their hands off each other & I'm sure it was a great concern to Michelle & JB. They just had to get those two married as fast as possible. That's what happens when you raise your children in such a sheltered life. You don't do anyone; your kids or the families they will eventually marry into any favors. It makes me sick to think that Cathy was given the news of the pregnancy over the phone. Michelle & JB already have 3 grandchildren & yet they came first, & in person. So I presume all the little kids knew before Cathy, the other grandmother.I believe people are at the point where they really have had enough of the "ministry."

taurus0385 said...

Some of the blessings are going to go off the deep end before too long.

Anonymous said...

Yes, remember the wave of Duggars at the airport when Cathy and Derick arrived from Nepal? Her two relatives were bowled over and completely swallowed up by the Duggar attention machine. Quite frankly, I think Jill was insensitive, yet again right here as she had just met the guy, hadn't even started courting this guy and HIS family hadn't seen him in 2 years and they were pushed aside as if they weren't even there. Stand up and take notice, Mrs. Cathy... a "polite" mom-in-law will be second string forever unless she says she required to ALSO be first in her grandchild's life.
It is obvious to me that Jill has not separated herself emotionally from the Duggar clan. They will know absolutely everything about Derick and Jill's marriage. That might annoy him after the "honeymoon" is over down the line. NO man wants to feel that he is in bed with his in-laws too! Jill's loyalty must be with and for Derick now, not just be subservient to him. Keep your mouth shut, Jill. Get to know your mother in law better and try bonding with someone whose last name isn't Duggar. This is the woman who has a lot to teach you about life, dear girl and you have so much to learn... IMO.

Anonymous said...

Jill and Derick "asked our parents" if it would be all right if we held hands after we got engaged." As much as I would like to think Derick wants to extricate Jill from her unhealthy relationship with her parents and her tightly bound moral standards, a man who is happy to ask permission to hold the hand of his girl friend, is not very mature either. Maybe they'll both grow beyond this stage, but I doubt it. I'm holding out hope for Jenny, though. She seems to have a bolder character and if an older sibling or two cracks the door open ever so slightly, she might just run with it someday.

Dar said...

I think it is time that Michelle and Jim Bob were confronted with some serious questions as well. Never mind that bright-eyed, soft-spoken little girl breathless voice. They purport to be a ministry, but are no better than any other reality show on television. It is all about the money and the brand. They should also be questioned about their political activities. Michelle cries about stores selling alcohol and petitions not to have any anti-discrimination laws regarding trans-gendered individuals. Doug Phillips and William Gothard have had some very serious accusations against them regarding sexual exploitation. We heard not a word from the Duggars. Michelle's daughters have been in the company of these two predators. We don't know the circumstances, but one would expect parents to be at least a little concerned. These young girls would be hard-pressed to deal with any situation in which either of these "godly" males took advantage. I had little respect for these parents before, but after seeing what was important to them over the last two years, I have absolutely none. They are the same ilk as Kris Kradashian and her family.Anyone, in my view, who looks to these people as giving religious guidance,is sadly misinformed and totally taken in by their celebrity. Jim Bob doesn't even respect his own wife. (dry humping at the driving range)IT IS ALSO "OPEN SEASON" where his daughters are concerned. In my view, he is altogether too much involved in the sex lives of his children and to have him on the altar at the wedding with the big announcement is just sick. TLC, I think you have misogynists producing these shows and it is about time you took a look at how women are treated in your scheduled programs.

taurus0385 said...

I hope Jill gets the privacy she deserves during labor and delivery

Nancy Ann said...

Great post, Dar. I hope you will share this with TLC, if you haven't already. I'm not sure how much good it does, but it doesn't hurt to try.

Zoey said...

Why does jill deserve privacy giving birth? She is the one who brings tlc cameras to other women's birth

hello said...

Jimboob has probably already made sure the film crew will be around for the birth and has probably already sold the rights to the first baby pictures to People Magazine. He will make sure the money keeps rolling in. He has no shame in pimping out his family for a paycheck.
I completely agree with everything you said Dar. Jimboob and Michelle's priorities are so screwed up. I remember when Michelle felt the need to protest at a local convenience store that eanted to sell alcohol while Joie was in the NICU fighting for her life. I hope none of the girls were sexually abused by Gothard or Phillips. If they were, I don't believe they would say anything. I believe they have been trained to believe that if a man did do something, it would be the girl's fault. I don't believe Jimboob has any respect for women. He has his mother living in his house working as a laundress. Michelle is there to meet his needs and bear his chilren. His daughter's are there to work as maids and sister/moms.

Anonymous said...

anonymous 8/24 @7:58
That blows Michelle's "the couple set their own physical boundaries themselves" baloney....Why then would they have to ask permission to hold hands after engagement? That is such a sham and it is so obvious to all of us out here that the parents control everything regarding courtship. We simply don't believe them anymore.

no name said...

Something to think about is the duggars never watch there show except for the premier episode of each season. They might not really know just how edited out each episode really is.

Anonymous said...

The only way they will watch their show is a prepared DVD with NO sinful commercials. How ridiculous they are.

no name said...

They watch the first episode of every season at JBs sisters house.

Anonymous said...

We don't know what they do as far as watching their own show as their season premiere only at Deanna's house was a long time ago. Even then, they watched a prepared DVD at her house with no commercials. They were edited out for "them".

Nancy Ann said...

Okay, wait a minute. So the Duggars will allow their show to be on TV with the commercials for everyone else to see, but they themselves won't watch the commercials? Don't they realize that their show is in essence selling the products in the commercials that run between segments of their show? So the commercials are too sinful to watch but they will put their show on the air with the same sinful commercials? Not only is there Duggar Time, but there is Duggar Think. Duggar Think makes my head hurt.

Anonymous said...

Nancy Ann: you are quite correct. The Duggars have their premiere edpisode edited for their viewing so the kids don't see any sinful commercials, ie, women in shorts, contraception commercials, beer/wine commercials, people actually living for example. They do not watch any TV, read any newspapers, magazines, books that are secular at all. Only religiously approved literature movies for them...these kids are isolated to this very day. The parents "take them out" alright on outings, but they are discouraged from noticing the secularism of citizens out there who live in their own community. They are also told how sinful life outside of their belief system is. Case closed.

Anonymous said...

And a big ol Amen to that. Someone had to say it tulip!!

Anonymous said...

But the Duggars will take our money.

Boo's Mom said...

Actually,"hello" It would be Derick and Jill who would be signing anything regarding the rights to the birht, not Jimbob.

hello said...

Jimboob will no doubt strongly "encourage" them to sign the rightst away. It will now be up to the go the girls to keep the show going and to keep the Duggar name relevant.

Anonymous said...

Their endless self-promotion demonstrates they're definitely not a ministry as they say. This is their occupation--being wealthy reality stars--including each of the offspring and their new spouses. However, using Jesus as the path to one's own fame and earning millions off His name completely goes against the teachings of Jesus. If they truly have a ministry mindset, then all profits from the show, tabloids, and books should be donated to a Christian charity.

Anonymous said...

Is there no way there is an agency that can help Jana and John David? These two young adults really need to get out of there.

CannedSoup said...

However, Anonymous 1:08AM, even Christians need to make a living--pastors are paid, Billy Graham is paid, etc.---the Duggars shouldn't have to turn ALL their earnings over to charity. Further, we do not know what they are doing with the money made from the show or what they donate to whom.

Dar said...

Pastors donate. Let's face it, this is no ministry here This is a television show just like the Kardashians. Actually, the Kardashians are more honest. They don't represent themselves as anything other than what they are, self-centered, narcissists. The duggars are just political figures, in my opinion. They have an agenda. Somewhere along the way, the ministry disappeared. It is all for the money. I really doubt that Jim Bob would part with any money for charity and not announce it to the TV audience. Everything they do is calculated with regard to how much money they can make. He is always asking for discounts. The wedding with the 1000 guests was as cheap as possible, inveigling some adoring fans to donate time and effort. The gift list for both the girls weddings is ridiculous. It is really getting out of hand now.

sandi said...

Jim Bob and maybe Josh too, probably do donate a certain % to offset taxes.I imagine it would be whatever the accountant/tax man would recommend they donate.

Anonymous said...

I agree with you Dar. True ministry work is to humble service to God without ever drawing attention to or promoting yourself or taking credit...and certainly not gloriously profiting off Jesus the way they do. There are many verses in the Bible to support this, so I guess they choose to make up their own rules and ignore Scripture. The Duggars fool others with their mantra that their show, etc. is their ministry for Jesus but they do not put their millions where their mouths are. It's time someone does an expose on them.

Anonymous said...

I agree with "Dar". I bet any donations that this family makes gives them a hefty tax deduction. Pastors make waaaaay less than the Duggars net every year. They are worth millions (and I don't begrudge them what Jim Bob has earned himself for his family), but the TLC $$ is more than he would have ever accumulated with such a high overhead with a household of around 20 people. Figuratively speaking, take away all the money, house building and furnishing help, all monies that derived from this TV show out of their bank accounts and property assets, and see where they would be today...far from where they are now. Their lifestyle IS their business... That foot massager that Jessa is asking for as a wedding gift is NOT a starter necessity for her household..they are simply clueless about such things.

Anonymous said...

The Duggar girls are not clueless about what they need to start a home(foot massager) they are just greedy, a trait they inherited from good old dad.

Rudy Tecat said...

I am sure the Duggars take any and all tax deductions they can, as anyone of us would.

Anonymous said...

The point that's being made, rightly so, is they operate under a false pretense of their show being a "ministry" as they routinely say in their speeches, interviews and books. They need to not mislead others with these statements and instead own up to the fact that they are actually selling themselves and promoting their image for money, shamefully using Jesus as their stepping stool which is contrary to the Christian faith.

sandi said...

Surely the Duggar women getting married could take some of the money they earn from People mag and such,and buy themselves the foot massagers,curling irons,hair dryers,etc. they want from that.
It really is over the top to sell rights to your photos and such,and then expect ppl to buy you personal items.
I do give them a pass on the candy and gum,IF they are doing that so that some guests who don't have much money can still get a gift,or of a child wants to give them something.
I do agree they should serve more than carnival treats though.Heavy hor'derves and or finger foods at the least,along with a carving station and some cheeses and such.JMO

Willow said...

I agree with Sandi. If you can't feed 1,000 people real food, don't invite that many. They are traveling and buying gifts aren't they? I think one of the Bates weddings had "BBQ" and I think the Kellers provided real food for Josh and Anna's wedding. I think people in their church helped with making food, but still, it was much more appropriate, IMO. I bet Michelle hardly did a thing for that wedding, except maybe trying to find her own dress, if she even did that.

Anonymous said...

If friends/fans are going to buy foot massagers, etc, what are the parents going to do for the couple? Usually it is the responsibility of both sets of parents to help the couple set up their household, and it's definitely Michelle's responsibility to purchase personal care items for Jessa as I'm sure Michelle has kept Jessa's part of the TLC money in the Duggar General Fund. I also believe that TLC will foot the bill as well as salaries for that wedding and it's taping, so that leaves little for JB and Michelle to shell out for these weddings, Jill's included.
As far as Josh's wedding to Anna was concerned, they were not that well known back then and their warp speed courtship occurred in between seasons off camera so it was a more realistic reception with the church ladies offering their services.

Anonymous said...

Do Jill and Derick Watch "regulat" tv? I bet Jessa and Ben will.I can definitely see them breaking the rules in the guest house.'

auntliddy said...

It really really irks me that duggars are always trolling for freebies and donations just because they have 19 kids. Who asked them to? Why is their ability to have sex and reproduce mean people should be so in awe of them they want to give them stuff? So figging irritating. Take care of your own stuff, dont ask me to help!

Allison said...

My cousin had only simple hors d'oeurves (2 choices), aling with a veggie plate and a cracker and cheese plate at her afternoon wedding, along with the cake. It was all they could afford. Now I know the Duggars can afford more, but honestly no guest should EXPECT anything. They chose to attend, if it's too expensive for them, they shouldn't go. But a bride and groom are allowed to choose what they are comfortable with, and we only know what they served based on a couple sentences in People. I think we'll see more of their thinking this season. But even if they were being stingy (which is probably true...) I do think it's a little insulting to look down on weddings that don't have full meals. Sometimes you want to invite all your family and friends but simply can't afford a full meal.

Anonymous said...

It's one thing to have a simple wedding for 50 and no big gift grab. It's quite another to invite 1000 people for cookies and punch with furniture and a Dyson on the registry.

Anonymous said...

I am a christian. I am very sad to see how this family especially the children are being treated. My siblings and i were allowed to attend public primary junior and highschool and onto college. We turned out normal. I dnt see why these children are not allowed to leave and choose for themselves. Not because a guy said he "liked" meant i married him in a few months. I dated (didnt have premartial sex) and waited on the Lord to provide a husband. He did and we have been married for 16 years. I got married at 26 after completing college and starting my accounting career. So being a christian is not as strict as the duggar family is making people believe.

Wednesday said...

I completely agree with aunttiddy. One of the mantra's of Duggar defenders is that they take care of their own children and aren't on welfare. But IMO they are on welfare, just not from the state. They expect an awful lot of freebies and goods from their viewers and from TLC.

Hello Duggars, you sold out. It takes a lot more $$ to raise so many kids than you thought huh? You sold your family out to be mocked on tv and exploited by a cult and puppet for hate groups. You are no different than Jon & Kate plus 8, The Kardashians, or Dance Moms. Don't fool yourself. Yours is the sin of pride.

Anonymous said...

I don't think that anyone expected the Duggars to provide a full meal, whether it be sit down or buffet at these wedding receptions. I think they absolutely could have had some decent food, buffet style, available, food for grown ups not children. The only options were junk food loaded with sugar and/or salt. What would someone who had a health condition have done? They couldn't even drink the ice cream soda floats if they were thirsty. Quite stupid of them. Let's see something more elegant here, you still can keep it simple and uncomplicated. Someone please explain "elegance" to these people.

Anonymous said...

Not feeding your guests a real meal is cheap, especially when you are worth over 3 million dollars.

auntliddy said...

Anon et sl- the duggar girls are childlike. So cake and candy and ice cream sodas is what a kid wld love at a wedding. Sure they cld do things differently, mb even barbeque, but this silliness is what they like. All thats missing is pinata, lol.

Anonymous said...

Yes, I agree they could provide BBQ foods. I am surprised Jim Bob hasn't requested guests to bring a dish to share to the reception. I was actually at a wedding once who did this, and it was okay. A lot if variety that is for sure. With over 1000 guests, man they would have a boat load of food.

Anonymous said...

I'm hoping this time they will have a nice hot and cold buffet with REAL dishes and silverware. Nothing wrong with calling a local GOOD restaurant to cater a nice spread. They will do all the food and beverage work and it will look and taste good too. Please, get a real bakery, not even WalMart to bake the cake. They usually have a nice tiered cake on display to cut, then they make sheet cakes that they keep in the back with the same flavor and filling to cut and serve to the guests, that holds down the cost of the cake and is still elegant in display.. Please, someone teach these stoops what to do; I don't think the wedding planner did a good job last time, maybe ask Derick's mother for some "classy advice".

Anonymous said...

There is no reason to have anyone outside of family and extended family and a few close friends, not a few close friends and all their relations as well. It doesn't really matter how up for the wedding Cathy was. Now much time can you spend when there are over a thousand people there? It is watching and it's hi and bye, thanks for coming.

I am glad they are having a child right away. No reason she can not do school while pregnant. Cathy can see a grandchild. It's something to look forward to during a trying time.

As to the registry every couple is pressured to put as much as they can on the registries when the parents of the couple invite too many people. I hope many gift her gift cards. I also don't understand why they need every sibling in the wedding party.

Yes Derrick did have to ask permission. He also had to make it pretty clear he wouldn't want more than that to be allowed to date her in the first place. Their standards my bottom. Of course it's daddy's. But it was the only way to marry her and get her out of there.

Anonymous said...

I can't believe Jessa can't have new decorations for her wedding but yet Jim Bob just shelled out half a million dollars on a private plane for John David! This is ridiculous! They say they shop thrift stores to save the difference. I am sorry I don't know too many people who can afford a private plane for their kid.

Anonymous said...

Why does the brides father get to say you may kiss your bride, at the Duggar wedding just want to know please can any one help me

Willow said...

I would be willing to bet the plane is not John David's. I am guessing it belongs to Jim Bob and Michelle for their traveling and maybe some for Josh's traveling as well. John David will just get the privilege of flying them around. Its probably the only way he could be a pilot. He can't REALLY be on his own, you know. It has to be about Jim Bob in one way or another. I just really feel bad for all of Jim Bob's children. They will have to figure it out the hard way in the long run. JMO of course, as always.

Sharla - Adding my congratulations. I'm sad that my grandkids are getting so big now. Miss the really little ones!! Hope all goes well.

Anonymous said...

Where was it reported that JB purchased a plane for John David? If that's true somehow I missed that.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone else find it just plain amazing that the entire Duggar family, was able to get themselves together & to the airport in plenty of time to meet Derick's plane when he returned home from Nepal? When people are waiting for them, at speaking engagements or book signings, they are always on,"Duggar Time." Strangely, when it's important to them, they manage to get there on time & nobody needs to wait for them.

hello said...

They certainly don't run on Duggar time when they go to appear on The Today Show or when they come to film from their house. They seem to use Duggar time whenever they need to be somewhere where the focus isn't solely on them. If the kids went to a real school or held a real job, they wouldn't be able to run on Duggar time. Jimboob and Michelle aren't responsible for making sure all of the little kids are ready to go, that's the sister/mom's job. The whole airport episode was like a circus. They had to make it all about them. Jill could have went with his family to the airport by herself and Derick could have cometo the house another day to meet the family.

Anonymous said...

The plane buying is on the pickles and hairspray website. It says Jim Bob purchased it for $400,000 and has a pic of it. Also, there is a thread about it on free jinger. Now we know why Jessa gets the shaft on her wedding decor.

Anonymous said...

Maybe Jessa has a different use in mind for that foot massager.... Lol

sandi said...

Re: Why does the brides father get to say you may kiss your bride, at the Duggar wedding just want to know please can any one help me
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because the father of the bride has authority over his daughter until he gives her away at the wedding,therefore I think that's the reason he gives the ok that they can kiss now.

sandi said...

Wow...the Duggars talk about buy used and save the difference,and now they have their very own private plane to run around the country in? With their son as the pilot,no less,so they don't have to pay for one.

Anonymous said...

Re: Jim Bob "ok" with kissing.
From what I understand it is the officiant of the ceremony who has the authority to pronounce them man and wife. Not Jim Bob. He should just shut up and let the minister do his/her job that God ordained THEM to do.

sandi said...

Re: Jim Bob "ok" with kissing.
From what I understand it is the officiant of the ceremony who has the authority to pronounce them man and wife. Not Jim Bob. He should just shut up and let the minister do his/her job that God ordained THEM to do.

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I agree,and we saw Mike Keller,Anna's father, do the same thing,so it must be a fundie thing for some of them I guess.

Anonymous said...

RE: Comments about the brides father saying you may now kiss the bride. At any wedding I have ever attended, at the beginning of the ceremony the minister asks "who gives this woman to be married," & the brides dad answers," I do." The dad then sits down as his part is over. I don't understand why JB still was involved in the ceremony. As far as I am concerned his part was finished when he answered the ministers question, "who give this woman to be married?" Dads part in the ceremony is now over. The minister pronounces them "man & wife & says to the groom, "you may now kiss your bride." I say again the brides fathers part was over after he answered the ministers question,"who gives this woman to be married?"

Willow said...

I so agree Anonymous. When these fundie fathers stand up there and "supervise" the 1st kiss - (at least the Bates, Kellers and Duggars, that we have seen) it is incestual and nauseating. There is no other way to say it. No use beating around the bush. Its sickening. The transfer of authority thing is bad enough without that too. I wonder if it is tied into that purity movement crap? I guess they are all used to it but the rest of us aren't.

sandi said...

Gil Bates officiated some,if not all,of his offspring's weddings,so that would have been normal for him to be the one to say 'you may now kiss the bride'.
I noticed that he did look away though,which I thought was polite and is more than one can say about a lot of the others who basically rubberneck when the bride and groom kiss for the first time.

Anonymous said...

Re Sandi: I'm sure Jim Bob bought the plane "used" and saved the difference! Do you know just how much money it takes to maintain an aircraft? ALOT. An aircraft needs almost constant maintenance and care 12 months a year/ every year. That is a serious $$$ commitment. A family member of mine is in the aircraft maintenance business, so I know first hand about it. These people worry me. They really need to take a step back and look at the characters they have become.

sandi said...

Anon,yes,my husb. has been an aircraft maintenance tech. for over 25 yrs now,so I do know it takes a lot of $ to maintain your own aircraft.
I'm guessing the Duggar bus wssn't fast enough to get them around anymore.And their adult offspring still serve them,i.e.-John David piloting.Interesting how they have used them around the house since childhood,and now they have the kids serving them as adults as well.
I always hoped Jana driving that big bus would give her confidence and empower her to be able to drive right off that compound someday! :)

Anonymous said...

Re sandi and aircraft: You're right on! An aircraft, whether it be a jet airliner or a small prop plane, still needs strict maintenance and has to overhauled according to air flying time. Strict FAA rules apply to keeping the aircraft safe and fit to fly. It's WAY different for an aircraft to fail than the stinky old bus or motor home breaking down on the side of the road! I don't think JB has maintained those vehicles like he should as he seems to have problems on the road quite often. Flying is another game altogether and there is NO dancing around it!

Anonymous said...

Regarding Anna's shower/first pregnancy, I remember her going to a big consignment sale to purchase a lot of the baby gear herself. She also bought a lot of clothes at a 2nd hand store. She got a lot of girly gear but I think she was planning on consigning it and buying other used items for her boys. My how times have changed.

Anonymous said...

Re; Anonymous' comment about Anna's first pregnancy. You are absolutely correct Anna did go to a huge consignment sale to purchase baby items. As a matter of fact, she had Josh come with the truck because she purchased so much stuff. Michelle & some of the girls were with her, & I think Michelle was also pregnant.

Anonymous said...

When the girls are courting their top criteria is that the guy have a "ministry mindset". I've come to realize that is code for "must agree to a life on TV with the family". The actual ministry part of the search is a façade.

Anonymous said...

@Fundie dads permitting grooms to kiss their daughter: I really see that much difference between the standard US wedding and this variant. Coming from continental Europe, I find it insulting that the bride is handed over by her father at all. Also, the "You may now kiss the bride" - at my wedding, my husband was not permitted to kiss me. WE were "permitted" to kiss. I am not some passive puppet, handed over and kissed at men's will.

Anonymous said...

The whole father says you may kiss the bride and handing her over is fundie weddings not standard US weddings. No one has said you may kiss or you may kiss the bride at any of my kids' weddings.

Anonymous said...

The fathers say you may now kiss the bride because the father is showing his authority. These men brag about their fertility and control over their women constantly.

Anonymous said...

Jana does look awfully sad/reserved.

Anonymous said...

But Jill loves the spotlight.

Anonymous said...

Using Jesus as a path to ones own fame..And earning millions off His name completely goes against the teachings of Jesus ... Wow! That was well said. Are you paying attention, Jill?

Anonymous said...

Derick and Jill don't own one, nor does Ben and Jessa. According to the assessors site John-David does own the one he worked for. Isn't Josh renting his house?