Jessa and Jill Interview

Tonight the Duggars continue to try to defend their brand.

173 comments:

CatMom said...

I hope Jill and Jessa are able to feel comfortable with addressing the actual events, not just the upset they feel over the release of the police report. I certainly understand why they feel "outed" and that they did not want that, but I hope they get help for the real issue at hand. If I could say anything to Jessa and Jill, I would say don't let your dad pressure you into presenting a certain image in order to "save" your show and your brand. You were abused, and your parents allowed it to continue. You owe them NOTHING. You owe it to yourselves to heal.

capslock said...

I am so worked about this and don't want to watch Jessa & Jill talk but I will. The problem is, "Punishment" = not having a TV show anymore. Furthermore, if they don't believe in watching TV, how on earth would they know what the media is saying about them and what supposed lies were told? NOT ONCE did I ever hear any network say RAPE. Everything is clear in the report and those are the facts being discussed - not to mention the obvious discrepancies.

Jim Bob said over and over again that "everything was taken care of so we had nothing to hide." I would bet $100.00 that this "babysitter" and her family was financially compensated to keep quiet and some non-disclosure document was signed.

If not, wouldn't this babysitter come forward? Heaven knows she could rake in THE BIG BUCKS right now.





Andrea said...

This isn't going as planned. Even Fox and Friends isn't buy the Duggar BS. Here is what Fox Psychiatrist Dr. Keith Ablow had to say:

The bottom line is, look, this family, in my opinion, isn’t very much keyed in to empathy and the feelings of others, it seems, because after all - Look, they chose to have 19 kids. Not everybody would make that decision given that you’d worry, “Wow, am I going to be able to pay attention enough to each of them?”

Read more at http://www.newshounds.us/fox_s_ablow_goes_off_script_and_blasts_the_duggars_060415#DRvYiFtsV61vMhjk.99

I literally can't wait to find out what jems are revealed tonight! They just keep on digging themselves into a deeper and deeper hole. I also find it odd that only the married daughters are speaking out and as others have wondering it is to protect their value as untouched virginal brides. It's so gross. I only want to hear that all the adult daughters have escaped, are attending college and are happy. I'd also love for Jill and Jessa to say: "We learned our lesson. We won't be having as many children as god sees fit, because we'd like to be able to give our children the love and attention we didn't receive as children."

Stella said...

Preview--

People Magazine

Jill and Jessa: Josh Duggar Was 'a Little Too Curious About Girls'


http://www.people.com/article/jill-duggar-jessa-duggar-josh-duggar-not-pedophile-fox-news-megyn-kelly-interview




Susie said...

I just want Jill and Jessa to say that they have learned not to follow Jim Bob and we are going to move on from this......BUT we will see Jill cry and Jessa show anger at all of us instead....

Stella said...

‘Most of the stuff out there is lies,’ Josh Duggar’s sister says

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/06/04/josh-duggars-sister-comes-to-his-defense-following-molestation-reports/

hello said...

I don't know why Jll and Jessa agreed to an inrerview. They have no doubt been coached on what to say by Jimboob and he is most likely the one who set up the interview. I would bet they will say the records were illegaly obtained, it wasn't a big deal and they have forgiven Josh. I don't believe for a minute that they had any professional counseling. There has to be a reason why only the married daughters are doing the interview. It disgusts me that Jimboob and Mullet only seem concerned about Josh and not their daughters. I don't believe that they were only touched while they were asleep and that they didn't know. They seem most concerned about protecting their pedophile son and trying to protect their name.

Wednesday said...

So these girls are ok with Josie and Jubilee being exploited all over the show, live births galaore, and over the top sex talk; but Josh's 12 years ago little mistake of feeling them while they where asleep and over their clothes is just the worst thing ever? (sarcasm) Sorry Jill and Jessa not buying this because I am still trying to understand if you're victims or if it was just a little small mistake and your God took it away.

Mary said...

did you notice Jills skirt ?/ Not short anymore

pretty girl said...

I do feel for this family. I think they are just going on tv to keep the show on tlc going. I think they need to shut everything down and not be on tv anylonging. This tv show is not a real job. They need to hold real jobs and not milk it all they can get out of tlc and people magazine. I wonder if fox news is paying them. I also thing they have a PR person working with them.

Traveler01 said...

I am not going to watch. Don't want to hear their defense of Josh with the word like every few words. I think there will be a lot of dead air as they try to remember what Jim Bob coached them to say. No the brightest bulbs in the box.

cat said...

Im almost afraid to watch, i was so upset on Wed listening to the parents lies and poor josh, people are so mean to him I think I will wait for comments on the Internet, then decide.

Bobbi said...

And we're off, here we go the interview with Jill & Jessa begins but first a brief rehash with JB & M. Just a train wreck.

funtally said...

Their parents put in "safeguards"???? Like locks on the girls' bedroom door and not allowing them to play hide-and-seek? They needed to get Josh professional counseling! Not allowing their children to play an innocent childhood game and locking them in at night is disturbing. They punished ALL of the children because of Josh's perversion. This is not normal behavior. Yes teenaged boys are curious about girls, but NOT their sisters and NOT LITTLE girls! The Duggars need to stop the excuses, get professional help for the victims and have Josh professionally evaluated to determine if he is a threat to his daughter! I don't understand how Anna can sleep nights!

Captain Crunch said...

How come neither Jim Boob, Mullett Jill and Jessa NEVER have once commented or mentioned Josh and his 'improperly touching' of a five year old?? They are absolutely down-playing everything!

Mary said...

If Josh was cured and sorry why was the need for locks on the doors


MARY

gabbyandmanya said...

Jill says now she knows what safe guards to set up in her house with her kids. Does she think that this is a normal thing in households? That you have to lock your kids bedroom doors at night so the boys don't sneak in and make a "bad decision" about their sisters? That's a shame. I also can't stand how coached they sound. They are saying word for word what their parents said in their interview. Another thing that bugs is, when Megyn goes to their house it shows some of the boys sitting at a table with board games sitting out on it. How staged is that? Please, TLC, end the FAKE Duggar gravy train!

Bobbi said...

OMG watching Interview with Jill & Jessa. Obviously Coached! A lot of sweeping under the rug & minimizing the crime. I don't believe these girls did not wake up when creepy Josh molested them. I think he'll would freeze over if any Duggar ever told the truth. Soon the croc tears by Jill will begin. What a denial fest.

Living in Indy said...

Jill touting about the tabloids exploiting women when IN REALITY... The Gothard Cult definitely EXPLOITS Women!! Where is the intelligent thinking? This whole scandal is a huge freaking mess!! When will Josh raise his puffy head. & come clean?? When if ever? I will say Jill & Jessa are milking this interview for all it is worth. The tears from Jill not working for me.

Chloe said...

Traveler, well you called it. The word "like" I've counted at least 10 times thus far during this interview. Geez Louise.

Chloe said...

And so the Blame of the tabloids, police & media is on.... Jessa stating people who don't like their family are also the cause of this scandal. Since Josh was forced to admit that he molested his sisters he's now elevated to sainthood.

Sunshine said...

I just saw the first few minutes of the interview. Shut it off just after Jill was laughing & talking about, "oh when we're out & about & people come up to us thinking they know everything bout out family." Then Megyn asked what she thought when she heard this was going to be on the cover of the magazine? Jill toally, yes totally dissolved into tears, in an masterful performance that her own mother would have to envy. I shut it off & said; "that's it for me!" We know the Duggars have to be pleased with the girls "performance," or they wouldn't have allowed it be broadcast. It's a shame they don't give an, "Oscar," for TV performances. JMHO

coleen said...

I feel so sorry for these women. I hope they didn't feel pressure to do the interview. My heart broke when Jill cried about telling her husband. Poor Jessa talked out of both sides of her mouth, she would say she was a victim and then defended Josh.

Just Me said...

Pretty Girl, you really think they have a PR group? How about:Legacy Consulting Firm (a PR firm). Chad Gallagher, advisor to the Duggars. Longtime advisor to Mike Huckabee & Executive Director of Huck PAC.

capslock said...

OMG. Well, they spent 30 minutes saying "no big deal" "so blown out of proportion" then Jill cries for 20 seconds and it's now all about BEING A VICTIM and the police report being released "illegally" for Megyn -again.

By the way, Jessa and Jill said "LIKE" 63 times. And not in the context: "People won't like what I have to say."

Furthermore: Megyn should have brought a dictionary. HYPOCRISY does not mean you are saying you are perfect. Which is obviously what the Duggar definition of hypocrisy is. Hypocrisy, Jill, is watching an hour of you picking out a wedding dress wearing your T-shirt and adding fabric for modesty; then going spread eagle on TLC months later giving birth to your son.



Aaron Andrews said...

If you compare the statements of the parents & daughters to the police report, you're going to find big discrepancies. Just saying...

GG said...

Jessa "I'm so glad that we did get that licensed counseling" you sound so coached and fake. Abundantly clear that they were given key talking points for this interview and that Jim Bob made sure they said a)they got REAL counseling and B) they didn't know josh had molested them. I doubt either are true.

Bobbi said...

Listening to post interview on Fox News Ablow is not holding back (good for him) debating this clueless Dallas Minister. The Dallas Minister a good friend of the Duggars probably drank the Kool aid. I like this Ablow he's not fearful to ask the questions that Megyn never asked or to clearly voice his opinion. What he says makes absolute sense. Without mentioning courting talks about the absurdity of not holding hands which could lead to repression. Ablow hitting on all subjects & obviously making the Dallas Minister uncomfortable. Good for him.

Smuggars said...

"We we're sleeping, we we'rent aware anything had happened." "We felt safe to tell our story to the authorities." If you weren't aware of what happened to you, then what story do you have to tell? Either you are asleep and don't remember it or you were aware and awake and have a story to tell. Which was it? So wishy washy!

capslock said...

They said LIKE 63 times. I counted.

Danielle Pate said...

Jessa does not look pregnant at all.

simba said...

So scripted! Cry, laugh, cry some more, laugh. I feel very sorry for them and their sisters. They performed the way they were told. I dont believe for a second they got real counseling, i mean licensed counseling. Its very sad and we know for sure what Jinger was saying to Jessa at the wedding about being there in the bad times. These parents failed their children.

Just Me said...

I watched it afterwards on the internet.
Anyone notice that Jill had the same paper in her hand that her mother did. Oh sorry, I meant Jill had the same Kleenex in her hand as Michelle did. Thank goodness that was quite a crying jag, although it was brief but in the appropriate place in the interview. My husband commented that those girls couldn't answer one question without looking at each other.
Also wonder why Jinger wasn't front & center although, they really only needed Jill as she took over the interview. All I could think of, was how the other girls all said when they were recording their book, Jill would do the speaking. It was no contest as she is the best at doing all the talking.

Just Saying said...

Coleen, of course they were pressured to do the interview. They have been pressured into everything they do, i.e. the rules for courting that they supposedly put in place themselves. Then other times they will say their parents don't allow, hand holding, kissing etc. before marriage. One minute they say they make their own rules, the next minute the parents say we have "strict courting rules," so they'll keep their heart pure for the one they marry. Which is it? They put a small child in between Jessa & Ben during a prayer so they wouldn't be touching hands. It makes them look ridiculous. By the way has anyone seen Josh lately?

Mandy said...

I knew they would bring in both Josie & Jubilee. Also they may be upset that they are on the front of "In Touch," but they had no problem with whatever, People Magazine, wanted. After all there was a big paycheck that was coming in from People Magazine. Not so from "In Touch."

Lizzyb said...

Aaron Andrews is right and I wish Megyn had read the police report more thoroughly and called them out. While feeling sorry for the girls, it is clear their interview was geared toward trying to counteract the negative publicity so the gravy train can continue. Both of these young ladies love the limelight too much just to fade back into being housewives in rural Arkansas!

While not a fan of the Sean Hannity Show, the first 30 minutes of his show last night was very interesting. He had 2 different panel discussions regarding both interviews and with the exception of the Pastor who was a friend of the family, the others believed The Duggars were hiding facts; were in denial as to Josh; and didn't make a wise decision to display their children's lives on a reality TV show.

Miz Kizzle said...

Why hasn't Josh been interviewed on TV? Why do his parents and two of his sisters need to speak for him?
Of course their lawyers told him to say nothing, but why have none of the interviewers asked about his whereabouts?
And I was surprised to hear either Jill or Jessa say that "everybody knows" juvenile records should not be released via the FOIA. The Duggars' homeschool education comes from Gothard's wildly inaccurate "Wisdom Books.' I doubt there''s much about the American criminal justice system in there, but suddenly Jill and Jessa are savvy about legal issues.
Jim Bob and Michelle threw their daughters under the bus to keep the TLC dollars rolling in. I pity those young women and the children still under their parents' spacious roof in the Duggar compound.

tanya T said...

It sounded scripted from the start. How many times did Jill say " nobody made us forgive Josh, we made that decision ourselves, it was our choice" and Jessa's " DHS kept telling my parents what a wonderful job they were doing, what great parents we have" those points were repeated a lot. Though I did hear Jessa slip up once when talking about the family being interviewed by police, she mentioned about " those who were awake and remembered" hmmmm, I thought JimBob & Michelle said they were all asleep and never knew what happened? Momma and Daddy made sure Jill and Jessa mention that their family is a target because of their religion! Jessa brings up that Intouch Weekly is a gossip magazine that spreads lies and exploits women, that they are owned by a company that also distributes Porn. Now how would she know that unless the Duggar attorneys or PR firm gave them that info and told them to use it in the interview. Seemed like the last 15 minutes were devoted to declaring how awful it was to release these records, and stirring up fear that it can happen to others. Megyn seems to heavily side with the Duggars now and fears other victims will not come forward now because someday their privately sealed records will come back to haunt them.......wrong Megyn, not everyone has a Reality show, no need to dig for info. I was disappointed with the interview, so coached and again deflecting blame towards the media, their haters and local authorities.

Esther said...

Oh, the irony that the story of Josh Duggar touching his sisters and others was reported by In Touch.

hot 'n bothered said...

Could the PR person working with the Duggars PLEASE explain to Jill the meaning and correct usage of the word "like"? Someone needs to tell her if she is going to continue speaking in public, she needs to remove that word from her vocabulary, as well as the phrase "you know." Unless, that is, she wants to continue sounding like a sixth grader.

katieann said...

I just watched the Kelly interview of Jill and Jessa online, and it's obvious a great deal of coaching had taken place beforehand. So many talking points were identical to the ones used by Jim Bob and Michelle: "victimization...licensed counseling...slanderous treatment by tabloids...worse things happen in so many families...forgiveness....trust...we're closer as a family." What really blew my mind was when Jessa said, "Everyone knows you can't FOI a juvenile record." Really? Was the juvenile legal process included in the Duggar homeschool curriculum, or was it a topic around the family dinner table?

I was also taken aback when Jessa named the parent company that owns In Touch and said it was involved in the production of pornography and objectifying women. Someone did some research and prepped these girls for their interview! I am also skeptical that Jim Bob and Michelle really told the kids before their CPS interviews, "This is a safe place, you can tell them everything and the story won't be blabbed around." After all, these same parents admitted during their segment on the Kelly File that they were afraid their family would be investigated, Josh would be arrested, and the children would be taken away." But this statement sets up the Duggar's current contention that the girls Josh molested have been "re-victimized" by the In Touch story. I smell a lawsuit.

midwest mom said...

After watching Jill and Jessa's interview on the Kelly File, I can believe that they didn't realize what was happening when Josh "inappropriately touched" them. They said it wasn't until AFTER this occurred that their parents sat all the kids down and explained to them what kinds of touch are inappropriate and should be reported to mom and dad. Most families start this kind of education when children are very young. I remember reading one of the Berenstein Bear books about strangers to my boys when they were preschoolers--but then, my sons didn't live in an insular, separatistic home like the Duggar kids. My kids played with friends in the neighborhood, went to Cub Scout meetings and story time at the library and Vacation Bible School, places where they weren't under my direct supervision. Since the Duggar kids were never out of their parents' sight and didn't interact with people outside of their immediate family or homeschool/church circles, no doubt Jim Bob and Michelle naively thought there was no need to teach them about "stranger danger."

I also believe the Duggars truly felt they handled the situation with Josh appropriately and eventually moved beyond it. (Though it could be argued it wasn't smart to wait until several incidents of molestation occurred and a 5-year-old was a victim before taking the drastic step of removing Josh from the home and getting him professional--I use the term loosely--help.)Hind sight is 20-20, and I'm willing to cut the Duggar parents some slack in how they handled the crisis.

What I am NOT willing to accept is the family's contention that they have been victimized by tabloid media. Jill, you can't be on the cover of People magazine multiple times with your courtship, wedding, and childbirth saga out there for all the world to see, and then turn on the tears when In Touch makes your family a cover story. You used your TLC show as a "window of opportunity to share (your) lives" with millions of viewers, and profited financially from the broadcast as well as the platform it gave you to publish a book and accept (paid?) public speaking engagements. Along with celebrity comes public scrutiny; you're getting a taste of the downside of being famous, and you have to take the good with the bad, especially when you present yourselves as a model of "Christian values."

Finally, one of the girls said the story had been "warped" when it was made public, but you can't get more objective than a CPS investigation document with direct quotes from victims. Should this report have been made public and splashed across the internet? Aside from the question of whether this was legal, it certainly was in poor taste and makes the publishers of In Touch look like vulures. However, their goal is to sell magazines, not protect families, especially one that has willingly and gleefully thrust itself into the public eye and profited from the experience.

My plea to the Duggars is to withdraw from the TV show, get on with your lives, find honest ways to earn a living, and carry on with your 'ministry' quietly and without fanfare like millions of Christians do every day.

Mary said...

Hi

Dis anyone notice keep looking to her right when she had to answer a question ? soome was there helping her.. Megyn why are you not intervewing Josh? 3 nights of duggars and the no sign of the guilty one.


Mary

capslock said...

You would think Jubilee was nine years old and got hit by a car or died of cancer. I hear more about Jubilee from this family than 14 of the 19 kids that are alive and well.

That comment may seem callous, but my mother and I both lost children when we were pregnant and did not have memorial services and pictures taken with the fetus. Nor do we refer to him/her as our third child.

On a different note: Paula Deen lost her empire for saying "a certain word" 25 years ago in her past. Anna (from Honey Boo Boo) was ALSO A MINOR when she was molested by June's "friend" and her identity was released - but there's no uproar about that (other than TLC yanking their show immediately).

But the Duggar incidents happened only 12 years ago (well, what we know of) and they are getting the kid-glove treatment. So if it happened in the past, why was Paula & June Shannon exceedingly "punished" and the Duggars are only "suspended?" Very unfair.

MCL said...

I feel for Jessa and Jill and the other victims. Josh and their lousy parents are entirely to blame for this fiasco. However, the brainwashing of these kids is succeeding. Jessa and Jill parroted so much of what their parents said in the Wednesday interview. It is so hypocritical of the Duggars to whine about all the lies told about them when they spread many lies about those who do not share their beliefs.

JSierra said...

Souch talk of lawsuits. Does anyone know what they could actually sue for? Defamation of character? It also blows my mind that jessa said "everyone knows you can't FOI a juvenile record". Everyone knows you can't freedom of information a juvenile record doesn't really flow off the tongue.

Dar said...

They keep saying that they were victimized by when the report came out. None of the names were visible for reading. They, themselves, chose to appear on this interview. Well, maybe they were a little coerced, but one of their "protector" husbands should have intervened and refused to have them appear on air. Hannie was five years old and being read a story by her brother who proceeded to fondle her. According to the report, she went crying to her parents. They don't mention that. Jill is crying about what the Tabloids are doing to them, but minimizes what her "sainted" brother did.

"When you lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas." This family welcomed People magazine into their lives. I am sure they were well remunerated for every picture and story. Their father sold them out. Fame is indeed a double-edged sword. They all seemed to like the attention and were happy to let the cameras be a part of their lives. Even their wedding pictures were held back from the public until they appeared in the magazines. Their "loyal" fans had to wait until the piper was paid. You can't have it both ways. When your mother and father and brother go preaching against the lifestyle of other individuals, they should expect some scrutiny. JimBob, himself said incest should be punishable by death. They have been very verbal and negative against transgender and homosexual individuals. Michelle even cried about alcohol being sold in one of the stores.

Michelle and her husband created an artificial life within the confines of their home. They allowed the outside world to shine a light on it. Megyn should have watched a lot of the episodes before that interview. She would have seen just what the dynamics are in the home, young girls bringing up their siblings, the birth mother obsessed with the next pregnancy, hardly involved in the lives of her little children, grown up young men hanging around aimlessly waiting for instructions from mom and dad as to what they should do next. A distorted view of "courtship", and constant reference to sex by their clown of a father. That is just the tip of the iceberg.

I think it is sad what happened to those young girls. Their brother took away their innocence. It now appears that if the cameras are not around, they have nothing left. They should be living a young life. They have been "serving" their parents all their young lives. They should be out going to college, university, studying for a nursing or doctor's license or teaching, or whatever. Instead, they have been stifled by their parents and end up justifying inexcusable actions by a brother who does not deserve it. What a waste of talent and energy. Michelle and JimBob, you should be ashamed.

It is come to something when locks have to be put on doors, clothes have to be worn to bed, not pyjamas, and children are not allowed to play as freely as they should (hide and seek), because of what could happen. That suggests to me, there is a predator on the loose! These "safe-guards" are in direct contradiction that therapy was sought and everything is OK.

TotallyANanny said...

Ok, I'm going to rant again (sorry).

What made me the most upset about the second interview was the idea that the fact that this came out in a tabloid will prevent other children who have been molested or raped to not come forward. It was implied that other kids will now be in fear that if they come forward that the police will betray their trust and reveal their secrets to the world.

First of all, this is crap. If anything, this story coming out might help other kids to realize what is being done to them is wrong. The only negative is that kids might see that parents don't care because of how Michelle and Jim Bob reacted.

The only reason this was made public is because the Duggars chose to live a public life. Of course they didn't want their secrets to be revealed, but do you think that any celebrity wants their secrets or past to be revealed? I'm an actress and I know that if I ever become a household name that things in my past will be brought up. I was technically kidnapped when I was 13 (it was only an hour or so and by my bus driver so I don't think of it as a big deal). I know that that story might become a tabloid headline one day. But that's the risk I live with for wanting to become someone who lives publicly.

Politicians have their past brought up all the time. Anyone who is "known" lives with that risk. And if the Duggars were just ignorant and didn't realize that that was a possibly, that is their fault for not thinking before becoming TLC stars.

Leigh Ann said...

"But the Duggar incidents happened only 12 years ago (well, what we know of) and they are getting the kid-glove treatment. So if it happened in the past, why was Paula & June Shannon exceedingly "punished" and the Duggars are only "suspended?" Very unfair."

I read somewhere that "Mama June" said if TLC doesn't cancel the Duggars' show because of all this she's going to sue TLC for a million dollars. I don't if she would actually follow through on it but you can't blame her for being mad.

cat said...

Someone made a comment about Jessa not looking pregnant, I noticed that too.

Aaron Andrews said...

Midwest mom, excellent post. The only thing I can add to your concluding line of "My plea to the Duggars is to withdraw from the TV show, get on with your lives, find honest ways to earn a living, and carry on with your 'ministry' quietly and without fanfare like millions of Christians do every day" is to say, "and put Gothard's teachings completely out of your lives. Question everything he said."

Heather said...

Playing devil's advocate here~~ we all know that Michelle and Jim Bob are not educated beyond high school, and that Jim Bob does not seem overly

Bobbi said...

Jessa Seewald & her siters need to wake up & Realize the Creepy Gothsrd CULT of which they are in DRFINITELY EXPLOITS & OBJECTIFIES Women! OMG what will it take to get these older Duggar girls to Finally Realize their parents have done an injustice to them by holding them back regarding education, dating, relationships outside of the family, birth control, college & careers? The Duggar girls could be so much more in life vs continuing baby factories. I despise Gothard & what he's done to women it's clearly imprisonment of the mind & abuse! I hope one day this creep Gothard is called to task & the law intervenes just as the law intervened with FLDS leader Warren Jeffs basically their rules for women are The Same. Disgusting.

Bobbi said...

Just Me, ok so Ms "LIKE" of 2015 Jill Dillard believes or has fooled herself into beliving she's the best at public speaking? I would rather listen to bees buzz vs Jilly speak in her LIMITED vocabulary.

Cedric said...

Self imposed Saint Jill such a doofus.

Bobbi said...

Mary, if Josh is cured?? Why doesn't he come forward & allow an interview? With his stellar GED & expert on everything in the universe attitude, & the fact that he adores the camera, one would believe Josh would proud to be interviewed. Josh such a great stand up guy? Hiwever we know that he's exhibiting Cowardly behavior. Poor Anna although she may be too Dim to realize what her perfect husband did when he was a teen or she's just grateful to be married to a Duggar or both. Sometime I believe Anna wants to become a clone of Michelle.

Heart in Florida said...

Anyone notice Jessa's lips in this interview? When did she get botox on them? They weren't ever that full in the past.
I don't understand this family at all...how can they ALL excuse their brother for such acts?
I wonder how their parents would have reacted if this very same described (as by them) situation occurred with some other male other than their son/brother? Would Jim Bob and Michelle be downplaying this as they are? Would Jim Bob and Michelle believe "an eye for an eye" and go after that boy?
I also find it strange that they ever had a babysitter in the house. With all the children Michelle had, the older ones were always in charge of the younger ones; ie Jana and Jill, the two older girls...how could they have a babysitter in the house who would also have been the ages of those girls? and to think that a sitter was younger than Jill; it doesn't add up to me. I don't think Michelle has eve used a sitter. Also with family around, like Grandma Duggar and other family members, why not ask them to babysit? Doesn't add up to me.

Stella said...

Jill just posted on twitter and Instagram a photo of their son. Will more follow on posts now? Maybe for them the storm has passed.

flowerchild said...

If what Josh did was as minor as the girls imply why did they take Josh to the police? Has it just to scare him into behaving?

Living in Indy said...

Heart in FL, with the Duggars chaos, contradiction & chaos will always be the order of the day & night. Also zero accountability for their actions. This behavior is indicative of the Gothard Cult. I've done the research. It's disgusting but it's the cult lifestyle.

Mary said...

I think the Duggars thought themself as Royality. But know the scandel has knocked off thier perch. This is why the girls do not think Josh did any thing wrong Michele an jim Bob told them that and they believed thier parents.. This Bull crap of only Josh toched them for seconds.. U havve a brige to see. I do not believe a word any of them say



Mary

Chloe said...

Posted to Jill that she needs to improve her vocabulary & to stop saying "like" in every sentence.

Jake from state farm said...

For me, the interview with Jill and Jessa makes me angry. I had some hope that these 2 would break away from the brainwashing, kook-aid drinking life and realize how they have been victimized from the product of their parents' choices and insane way of thinking that all is forgiven if they believe in jesus, dress modestly, dont' watch TV, listen to religious music only, blah blah, that they are so very much better than the rest of society. I WILL NOT WATCH ANOTHER INTERVIEW LET ALONE ANY TV SHOW ABOUT THESE PEOPLE!!! Good riddence to all of you. I would be very interested in seeing how Jessa and Ben support themselves and their family and how Derrick and Jill support their inane idea of having "as many children as god" wants us to have once the People cover money and TLC money ceases. Good Luck. Show the rest of us heathens how it's done.

nightmomma said...

How do you NOT know that being touched around your breasts or genital area by a family member (or anyone that you don't want to touch you) is wrong?! This is something I have taught my children from a very young age...my middle is only 3 and I have already started talking to him about it. This is wrong on every level. They truly have sold out for the money...and that is sad. I hope they fade into the distance and soon!

hello said...

I wonder too how Jimboob and Mullet would react if their daughters were molested by a 15 yo that was not a family member. I doubt they would brush it off as a mistake. Jimboob said in the past that pedophiles should be put to death. Apparently Joshie wasn't legally a pedophile due to his age, but he still molested his sisters. Jimboob sure changed his tune fast.

Auggie said...

When Kelly asked Jill what the emotion was behind the tears Jill didn't have a real answer. When Kelly asked what was discussed in counselling, Jill acted stunned by the question and then deflected it. I'm very sure when children (or anyone) is counselled for molestation, the first thing they're told is that they're (the victim) not at fault and feelings are discussed in depth. Jill not having answers to Kelly's questions makes me think the Duggar counselling was Gothard style and not really legit.

Also, Jessa said it was ok for Josh to share his opinions - basically pointing out how wrong everyone is for not living their lives as per Gothard. Following that logic it should be ok for the general public to share their opinions about how this whole molestation fiasco was handled. Sure, this is personal to the Duggars, but being gay/lesbian/transgender is also personal to each person.

Buckeye said...

Didn't watch, so based only on the comments and previous Duggar pretzel logic, I 'd say Sharla has hit the nail on the head: The second interview was nothing more than the Duggars Giving Their Lucrative and Now Flailing Brand CPR, Chapter Two.

also, as usual, based on the usual Duggar inability to think their way out of a paper bag coupled with their Academy of The Dining Room Table GED scholastic/communication acumen on full display, Score ZERO for home schooling.

And a sure fire measure of just how off the rails your life has gone is Sarah Palin trying to exploit your situation by vomiting her phony patriotism and God agenda all over your already pathetic situation.


Chloe said...

Re this scsndal with Josh. I believe there's more rats in the pool yet to be revealed. Here's why.., Jim Bob & Michelle cintinually lie & contradict their words & actions. Jim Bob cannot Filter anything he says & continues spewing sexual innuendos. I believe many inappropriate actions against the Duggar girls have gone on for some time & upon learning this information, the parents gloss it over by pouring God on all of the crap as well as the Gothard cult crap. This Duggar home is one huge TOXIC environment & needs a thorough cleansing. I am now wondering with Jim Bob's fixation about sex & the fact that his daughters bedroom is his favorite room if he hasn't offended? The Duggars are one sick family. Makes me want to run to the shower. Just creeps me out.

IUHOOSIER said...

Buckeye, everytime I read your posts I am amazed & want to read more. You definitely nailed the Duggars. I would enjoy 10 minutes one in one with Jim Bob Duggar hold his feet to the fire & ask why on earth would Michellle & you align & subject your kids to the heinous & unhealthy Gothard Cult?

Dee said...

This will be kind of a 'DUH' statement, I know, but I find the odd disconnect these people have to be so disconcerting. From Jessa's and especially Jill's comments during the interview all the way back to Jill's behavior before all this broke wide open.
I remember commenting on this site about Jill's behavior regarding her mother-in-law around the time of their wedding. Sitting by Derick and saying things like, "We didn't know if maybe we'd also be planning a funeral along with the wedding" in this totally self absorbed, unconcerned manner. Derick may be kind of a doofus but I truly believe he loves his mother dearly and here's his future wife speaking so callously about his mother possibly dying soon and maybe how it would affect her wedding plans.
Among the 800 other things that come to light in regards to Jim Bob and Michelle's parenting is the absolute fact that the 'benign neglect' these children have suffered as a result of having too many siblings has served to warp them in many ways.
It really burns my bacon to think that it is highly possible that JB and Michelle, along with Josh, will walk away from this unscathed.

Bobbi said...

Sorry Duggars NO royalty in the USA that war between England & USA was ended centuries ago. Perhaps the Duggars would be better served if they moved to England & then Jim Bob could challenge the Queen. I would pay tickets to watch Jim Bob & his limited vocabulary go one on one with the Queen who was highly educated & has a vast vocabulary. Jim Bob is the personification of a Fool!

Lemon Drop said...

Why have we not heard from Josh? I think he is probably holding out for a big name interview. I think the incomparable Diane Sawyer would be great. She could toss some Caitlyn Jenner references into the mix.

sandi said...

I wonder if Jill and Jessa would be willing to name a son after the Saintly Forgiven Josh?

Bobbi said...

Josh is exuding typical Narcissustic behavior which is when confronted run, hide & behave as a Coward & that's exactly what he's doing. I am not surprised.

simba said...

I wish Megyn Kelly would have asked Jimbob to explain what he said about pedophiles

Apple60 said...

The fact that JimBob continues to call what Josh did as 'bad behavior' versus sexual assault is very telling. True, Josh was a teenager but his victims were younger. One and done - Josh should have been removed from the home and gotten counseling - boot camp style. Those victims needed protection but it didn't happen. So sad for the victims but Josh is not welcome in my home, creep.

cat said...

I think Josh and Anna are waiting for the highest bidder. I dont think I could stomach what he would say and watch Anna look at him like he is god. I think Megyn Kelly was way to soft, even dressed modestly for them. It was in no way a fair interview.

Sami said...

As great as it is that you are teaching your kids how to identify unsafe touching it also happens that there are people who do not think to do so. Most likely because such a thing hasn't become an issue in their lives. When I was younger I don't think anyone had that talk with me. I probably would not have realized either if it had happened to me.

Sharon M said...

Years ago I watched a movie called "The Village". A bunch of families decided they did not like modern life and wanted their children to grow up innocent, so they fled to a compound and lived a sheltered life. They remind me of the Duggars. The Duggar's live in a sheltered compound with children they are trying to protect from the big, bad Evil Entity. In the Duggar's case, it is the press. Of course, they like the press when they write nice things about them, but when they reveal the truth about who the Duggar's really are, they say that they are calling Josh a rapist (don't know where they heard that, but I haven't heard anyone say that) and that it is all in the past. We all know that anyone in public life will have someone out there who will dig up your past. Look at the many fallen public figures, and learn from it. The Duggar's are very savvy in a lot of ways, but to think this would not come out is too naive for words.

My husband is a radio news anchor, and has been for 43 years. We watched both interviews together, and he commented that Megyn Kelly appears to be neither a good lawyer or a good journalist. A good journalist would point out that Jim Bob and Michelle both told the police that the girls had been touched while awake and under their clothes, and then Jill and Jessa claimed that they were asleep and it was over their clothes. A good lawyer would point out the discrepancies in the story they told in the interview, and the story they gave the police. A lawyer would question why, after 12 years, they seem to have a clearer view of what went on. Usually, the first story told

has the most truth, and is the freshest recollection. Later, when you have had a chance to think about it, you will tell the story that puts you in the most favorable light.

I think the reason that Jill and Jessa gave an interview, and Jinger did not is that TLC is hoping to rehabilitate them so that they can resurrect 19 Kids and Counting into a series about the two married girls. Since 19 Kids and Counting is such a money maker, they are really dragging their feet about cancelling it. Just like the dreadful Kate Plus * series, they keep kicking dead horses. Enough already!


KimmieH said...

Lemon Drop, Oh that's right Josh is holding out for a big name integer view because he views himself as a bug name celebrity. When I saw the latest cover of People mag with JB & M on the cover & a small photo of Josh on the cover he looked bloated, unhealthy & creepy. Gave me chills & not in a good way. However Josh is his own fan base. Hope that works for him. BTW that's another trait of narcissistic behavior.

Just Me said...

Bobbi, I just want to set the record straight. It wasn't my opinion that Jill was the best one to do the speaking when they recorded,"their book." The girls said it collectively. They were asked how they would handle various speaking parts of the book. As they answered that Jill would do most of the speaking, because she was so good at it, she was actually pointing to herself & saying "me!" I'm laughing at that myself as I write it. It was like a small child: ME!

KatieP said...

When they passed out Class Jim Bob said did you say glass & I want mine filled. Oh Jim Bob you're such the epitome of a Hick!

Jennifer said...

Sorry but the girls are right! I would be afraid to speak up too!! I don't trust anyone to keep what I say a secret. Everyone can be butt and rude to them all they want! But they made a valid point, reports can be aired!

Jennifer said...

I'm sorry but would you not be prepped before you went on tv??? That's just being smart!

Irish rose said...

Bobbi, who says the Queen of England is highly educated? She does not have a college degree. Her higher education was nothing more than elocution lessons. The only thing different.about her is that she can trace her family tree back further than the rest of us. She's not special, she's just another human being.
Re: Josh Duggar. Does anyone remember the chat Jim Bob had with him on his wedding day? J.B. was coaching him on what to expect on his honeymoon night and Josh reassured him that he would be okay because he had a working model. In retrospect,this scene was clearly scripted by TLC. What a farce! Josh was obviously very familiar with the female anatomy at that point.

Heart in Florida said...

After knowing about these incidents all those years ago, I'm sure there's more mud at the bottom of the pool. Having said that, I believe that this family has wrapped themselves around these incidents with Josh by inventing the "two shirt" dress code for themselves, those inane courting and lifestyle rules even more. I would think that they embraced dysfunction to it's fullest..How is that a healthy household, lifestyle AND mindset for their children, ALL OF THEM? It it not, IMO. This family billed and still bills themselves as the model conservative religious family that we should all aspire to be if we want to please God and enter heaven immediately after this life...Well, folks, it seems that they are now and really always have been the poster family of dysfunction....dysfunction palooza. They (the parents) should hang their heads in shame; not of what occurred 12 years ago, (because things DO happen in families) but for how they handled everything since then and how they are dancing right now.
Who says the Duggars "don't dance"? Jim Bob and MIchelle are expert tap dancers.
It also goes to show you that none of their children have the skills which enable them to deal with situations and disappointments in life..they wanted to shelter their "hearts"? I'm so tired of hearing that word come out of Michelle's mouth...None of their children have any coping skills; they should have had age apprioriate life lessons about disappointment, things not going exactly as they had planned or hoped form the get to...Like people do. those things help strengthen us and equip us for life's situations. Those people are sadly lagging behind and should be living a life that an adult of their ages should be living. I wonder if Derick now realizes that he married a 6th grader? What about Ben? He married a cold, angry, self absorbed under it all, teen girl who cracks the whip. One day even Ben will grow up and I hope he's "ok" with what he finds himself with. Duggars, realize that your perfect manual in life is a manual for self destruction; I mean the Gothard, ATI, IBLF crap...not the bible. their interpretations of the bible are what is odd to me,, too.

Sharon said...

I think the issue people have is not that people don't prepare and rehearse before going on TV, but that what was prepared was more a script and less fact. Normally if preparing for an interview, you tend to stick with facts and don't give everyone the same exact story and wording. It was also evident in the police report that the children were rehearsed to the point that each had the same subjects that they liked or disliked.

capslock said...

Seems that because of Josh's actions, Michelle & Bob then went overboard w/ protection. Is this how the side hug was implemented? Because I do not see that w/ the Bates. Perhaps this explains Boob's look of terror whenever one of the girls got "too close" to a guy and hand holding, kissing, etc. became unacceptable. Not every boy has a perverted mind.

Also, knowing the kids were literally "bolted" in at night in their rooms with all the boys in one room and all the girls in another -- that truly is jail. I feel that these extra restrictions have socially traumatized these kids more than anything.

Although I can't stand the Duggars, I wanted nothing more than those kids to live normal lives and realize that Christianity is not Dogma, but a way of life. Jesus reached out to prostitutes, the poor, the blind, and the needy, and did not "Nike" them.

"Ye shall know we are Christians by our love": but there is NO LOVE in the Duggar family except the love of themselves.

Willow said...

Did Jim Bob and Michelle ever come out and actually say, on camera, that the girls did nothing wrong and it was not their fault? Did they REALLY back them up, or just throw around the word "victims"? If anyone knows, please let me know. Thanks.

Wampascat said...

Queen Elizabeth II is highly intelligent. She did receive a great deal of her education at home because of her station in life, but she also attended Eton college until the start of WWII . She also speaks fluent French.

Katie's Mom said...

Willow I believe I'm correct if I say the answer to your question is an unqualified: NO. They did not say a word about it not being the girls fault. All the did was use the victim word. That's why it rolled off Jill & Jessa's tongue so easily.

Irene said...

Sorry to be a bit pedantic, but Queen Elizabeth is queen of the United Kingdom, not just England.

Sharla said...

Time to move on from Queen Elizabeth, please.

Lesleigh said...

Johanna (Hannie) was not molested. She had not even been born yet. The suspicion that the molested 5-year-old was JoyAnna.

coleen said...

It bothered me when Jill spoke of implementing her parents' 'safeguards' in her own home one day. The safeguards were put in place because even though Josh was forgiven, JB and M did not trust him. Even the layout of the Duggar compound shows that - Parents' and daughters' rooms on one end, boys' on the other. I hope when Derick and Jill leave for Nepal, Jill will begin to deprogram.

Bobbi said...

Another example of Jill's lack of filter or thought process. Jill has always shown her lack of education & grammar when she speaks. Not her fault that her parents chose lack education & ignorance for their kids. It's disturbing.

70'schild said...

The Duggar kids being bolted in at night could have also been a fire hazard.

Bobbi said...

One more detail regarding Jill. During Derick & Jill's wedding reception, I thought Jill's immaturity really surfaced when she chose to lick the icing from Derick's fingers. I've attended many weddings & receptions & never saw a bride or groom lick icing from their new spouses fingers. It was inappropriate & disgusting but that's Jill no filter or for that manner no manners.

morganw323 said...

I wish Megan had asked them if they told their husbands about this before they got married or if they had to explain the situation after this all came out. Supposedly Anna knew, so I would hope the girls had brought it up while courting. If it was as minor of a deal as they say it is, then it shouldn't have been difficult for them to talk about. Also, I think it was these two who spoke up BECAUSE they're married and don't have to worry about scaring off potential future husbands by admitting that they are "damaged goods." To be clear, I don't think that the victims are damaged goods, but the messed up Gothard/ATI rhetoric on sexual purity is so whacked that they might think of themselves that way--which is sad and wrong.

Captain Crunch said...

It wasnt 'Hannie'..it was Joy-Anna. Johanna, or Hannie as she is sometimes called, wasnt alive at the time of the 'inappropriately touching'..

Captain Crunch said...

I don't think that Ben will grow up or wake up. Jessa makes him look good..he thinks he is a minister in training and she is his Godly mate. The new Jim and Tammy Faye power couple...ministry on t.v....mega bucks. Jesus saves..Jesus pays, too.

As for DerickDillard I think he is content with his 6th grade wife...he did seek out Jim Bob as a prayer partner..along with any Duggar daughter that would get caught in his net.

MSR said...

Captain Crunch,oh my goodness that is so funny because when I saw clips of the interview I was comparing Jim Bob and Meeechelle to Tammy Faye and Jim Bakker!

I do wonder though if these marriages will have any unexpected discord if and when the TLC gravy train goes away. I do hope that Derrick and Jill as well as Jessa and Ben married for love. I also wonder about Si's courtship if it will end now that Marjorie may not get the lime light of being on tv.

MSR said...

Dar very well said! I agree that Megyn should have researched the Duggar family more to actually know what she was talking about. If so, she would know about the constant sexual innuendos that Jim Bob makes and maybe she could have brought that up in the interview. But Jim Bob would have just side stepped any questions about that just the way he did when Megyn asked him if he felt guilty about reoccurrences happening to the girls.

Brie T. said...

I don't get it. They love being on TV, earning money from magazine exclusives, TV specials, and gifts from "fans," but when things go bad, they say "well you don't know us." You can't invite cameras in and take the good without the bad. And in this case, the public is waking up to this manipulation. If the Duggars didn't try to play their hand in politics and law (affecting thousands of people outside their family!!), maybe the hypocrisy wouldn't have been so jarring. Also, Jill is "really good" at speaking...aka able to turn on the crocodile tears for the TV to evoke sympathy from the Duggar worshippers.

Zebra crossing said...

I watched a clip from Fox. One reporter explained that to even get this story from the Duggars, there really could be no hard ball interview like we hoped for. The first off-the-script question would have shut the whole thing down. I guess Ms. kelly was willing to look like a beginner just to get the story. Unfortunately, for the Duggars, it is too bad that she didn't push them, make them angry. If she had done the job we wanted to see then there would be no interview to talk about, and the Duggars would have been better off. I think the interview just raised more questions and made them look like fools.

Confused in Germany said...

I do not know Megyn Kelly. Is she supposed to be a jounalist, that goes deep into a subject and asks hard questions? In that case, from what I read, she failed herself miserably and might even have endangered her own career, by not asking pertinent questions or not more of them. BUT: I am going by what I read. Even the thought of watching the D's squirm and deflect, made me fill ill, so I thought it wisest to resist.

Someone wrote, her husband was a radio anchor and commented, that Ms. Kelly was neither a good lawyer, nor a good journalist. Sounds true to me.
Personally, I lost all hope for a revealing interview when I read, that she was going to interview them in their own home. It was clear, well clear to me at least, that there wouldn't be any pertinent questions asked.

I thought, it ought to have been an interview, with just DimBulb and Mullett, in a studio in New York. Not on their hometurf. But probably, had it been in New York (or wherever the studio is), they would have dragged the whole family (except for Josh) there too.

As to Josh: he seems to be considered - by his parents and therefore is siblings in brainwashed-fashion - the real victim in all this. He made a "mistake" years ago and got "professional" help. Now people are destroying his life for it. The world is harsh and unfair. NOT! JMHO
Oh! And I DO think, that either he is just hiding, like the coward he seems to be OR waiting, as suggested by several others, waiting for the biggest gravy train. He learned it at his Daddy's knee. I do hope, but am sadly sure of the contrary, that no such gravy train will appear for him and that he will have to actually work as an unlearned worker somewhere. I am sorry for Anna and the kids financially wise.
But at least they would be rid of the cameras in their faces and might actually get a real childhood. The kids didn't choose to be on camera.


I think that only Jill and Jessa talked, because they are married ladies now and don't officially need a chaperone. With Jinger and Joy, they would have had to have a chaperone there, they couldn't have been each others chaperone, but maybe Fox said, they could not have a chaperone on camera?? It is just an idea.

Sorry for the very long post and if there is anything, that seems insulting: don't publish it. I may have chosen the wrong words...

Pam said...

What bugs me is JB and Michelle claim they did all they could and put safeguards in place. I'm not seeing that. I get it if you don't want to involve authorities, but why couldn't they let Josh move in with grandparents or someone else with no children. I've heard no mention of making sure the girls had a lock on their door. I would have gone so far ad to sleep in the girls room myself if necessary. They did not do all they could have.

Aunt Bea said...

So, we should ALL live at home like we have a potential sexual predator within our families...this group is ill, IMO.
Yes, I also would like to know if the potential husbands knew of these events BEFORE or AFTER the wedding...why didn't Megyn ask that question? It's not invasive, it's a general question. That would also show the lengths that this family went to hide something.
Since, they thought this file would never see the light of day, and was sealed away forever, SURE, "they had nothing to hide". How is that not a contradiction? These people have a warped sense of logic. They twist, and spin everything in their direction.
If seeing your picture on the cover of a magazine was so disturbing Jill and Jessa, why didn't you mind all these years when you were posing for them? Maybe they didn't pay you for the recent covers? How does Jessa even know what a TV family is? They don't allow it in their home and never watch it..
Also, her "shots" at the magazine, it's owners and parent companies comment was an obvious "plant" by their PR reps...she didn't do a very natural job in letting that get out...she's NOT a good actress, neither is Jill, I'm sorry that they ARE victims, yet refuse to acknowledge that fact...I blame their parents once again. Failures as parents should NEVER accept awards for doing a model job at it, nor should they accept speaking engagements spewing their philosophy which they represented as serving them consistently well and producing 19 cookie cutter, perfect children when they knew very well it did NOT. Frauds, I am defrauded by THEM...no long skirts, two shirts, and long hair could change that for me.

Susie said...

I agree with Captain Crunch.

Derick is not going to help Jill deprogram. He wanted a 6th grade obedient brood mare wife and he wants to keep her just like she is.

Ben wants to be just like Jim Boob. Jessa will raise him.

Willow said...

Thanks Katie's Mom.! They had their chance to really take up for the girls and they blew it! Disgusting people.

cat said...

Its interesting that Fox had Megyn do the interview given the fact that she said she had never seen the show! She played softball with them, even dressed modestly for them, ive never seen her dress like that. If she had seen the show, she would have seen what we see. Both interviews to me made them all look really bad, I hope the show doesn't come back!

Traveler01 said...

Did Fox have to pay for the interviews. If they did they didn't get their money's worth.

Auggie said...

I agree with some of the postings suggesting it was Jill and Jessa doing the interview because they are married, AND they're looking for a spin off. I also wonder if it is because these two were fondled over their clothes. There were at least two reports of touching under clothing (reading on Josh's lap and in the laundry room). It would be more difficult for the girls to say it was 'nothing' if they were touched under clothing. Also, assuming the other two sisters are Ginger and Joy, Joy is too young and Ginger is very sensitive. Jill & Jessa are just better regurgitators(sp)of their parents programming. Oops, I mean their parents 'training'.

buckeye said...

Create a completely insular environment. Never miss an opportunity to impress upon your children that everyone outside their tiny-minded environment is ethically inferior as well as a real threat to both their spiritual and physical well being. Keep the children ignorant - homeschooling is a must for this. Be sure to convince your family that the Bible always trumps science, and that anywhere a discrepancy is found between the two, staunchly reconfirm that the offending concepts that must be laughingly discarded are merely 'junk science'. Constantly convince your children that females need and should desire a 'strong' and 'godly' man to both lead and protect them from the evil just waiting to perpetrate itself upon them as soon as they dare step so much as a toe outside the boundaries of your family. Reinforce at every opportunity that the real measure of godly manliness is non-stop sex and resultant offspring and teach the females that annual babies is their only real calling and measure of worth. Teach your children that the way to ensure a 'successful' marriage is to have women to happily embrace life long subjugation of their own needs to sexually service their husband. Endeavor to always over sexualize EVERYTHING and weirdly combine the over sexualization with a teaching of complete repression of all sexual thoughts and questions. Instill in your sons and daughters that males 'just can't help' acting on their sexual desires, making it clear that responsibility for sexual ethics, even for the male gender, lies almost entirely on female shoulders. Above all ( and this is key) institute absolute patriarchy, while tossing paltry crumbs of promised 'Queenly treatment' as full payment for feminine unquestioning and immediate obedience of their male 'leader'.

Congratulations!!! You've created a Pedophile's Paradise.

Dee said...

Buckeye -
Perfectly stated! Especially this: "Endeavor to always over sexualize EVERYTHING and weirdly combine the over sexualization with a teaching of complete repression of all sexual thoughts and questions."
If ever there was a breeding ground for mental problems, this is it!

Bobbi said...

Thanks Buckeye! You wrote the message of what I was thinking. It's just too bead that TLC embraces this sick pedophile & Cult culture of the Duggars because the almighty $$! Is the motivation to retain the Duggars on TV. If the Duggars return to TV because if this scandal, I believe the numbers will quickly dwindle & eventually drop. TLC needs to realize if the Duggars continue on TV they (TLC) are promoting the Gothard Cult & Josh's duplicitous behavior.

Bobbi said...

Susie, Disappointed that Derick wants a 6th grade wife. With Derick's college education, I had high hopes for Derick to deprogram Jill. Guess that was too much realize.

Chloe said...

Zebra Crossing, So prior to the Megyn interview with the Duggars Jim Bob set the rules stating no hard ball questions. So Jim Bob can't handle pressure, the truth or any questions that go to the root of the problem (Gothard Cult). Well then, Jim Bob is a coward as is his son Josh. I just want to scream because this interview was a joke & allowed these idiots to take control. PLEASE, TLC wake up, the Duggars are a toxic & unhealthy program especially for viewers who are easily led with regard to the Duggars pseudo ministry which is the Duggars are the champions for the Sick Gothard Cult. The Duggrs should REMAIN OFF TV!!!

hello said...

Buckeye- that was a great post!
You hit the nail on the head. Now maybe someone should hit Jimboob on the head and knock some sense into his hairspray riddled brain.

Wednesday said...

Congratulations Jill and Jessa for helping to open a door for child molesters. The bottom line is that the Duggars unfortunately sway people. How many girls are going to think that its ok for their brother to touch them over their clothes, or to think its ok and that they shouldn't tell their parents, or that they have to forgive their molester instead of working through their feelings in real therapy? How many parents are going to just work "in house" to cure their child molesting son, or forgive their son just because he asked for forgiveness, and that all that they needed was a lock on a door and a sister who understood modesty.

This family is sick. This family should never have been in a position to influence people. There shouldn't even be a debate about this! Molesting is wrong. End of story. Knee jerk Christians feel they need to be defended because they think these people are Christian. What a joke.

Dar said...

Well, Megyn certainly did blow it if she allowed JimBob to set the tone and the questions for the interview. That should have been a "red Flag" right there. Being a journalist, one would think that she would do a little background to find out why. Some Lawyer! Some Journalist!

Living in Indy said...

Wednesday, This family uses Christianity as a guise or a ruse. The Duggars are in the Gothard Cult. A Cult is far from a ministry or Christianity the two are foreign. I feel so sorry for those people who via TV have embraced this cult & lifestyle the Duggars promoted. Hopefully TLC will see the light & realize the damage they too have done airing this sick family & Cult.

MSR said...

Wednesday, excellent point! The fact the the Duggars are influencing so many people are is indeed very scary. Also my eyes were opened to how many people out there think this is OK (based on comments on social media sites) It really makes no sense to me. As you said, this should not be a debate. Molestation is wrong. And I'd like to point out to the Duggars that crime is different than sin. I found a really good article. Not sure if this has already been shared so if so I apologize, but here is the link.

http://teaminfocus.com.au/ten-things-every-person-should-be-able-to-affirm-in-the-face-of-the-duggar-family-tragedy/

Lesleigh said...

1.) We know the interviews were scripted, because both MeeeChelle and Jill had the scripts on their laps! UNBIASED?

2.) I am disappointed that Ms. Kelly apparently did not spend the time to read the redacted police reports, and challenge BOTH JM&M as well as Jill/Jessa on the inconsistencies between the LEGAL report and the fairy tails the Duggars ALL told.

3.) We will have to wait and see what further spin is placed on this fiasco!!!

Ginger said...

Additional proof of their ignorance is that Jim Bob does not understand that we have read the report and it still exists and his lies do not mesh with it.

Does he really think he can convince us to see it his way?????

Ruby said...

A spin-off with the married girls and their husbands? Ugh. I couldn't stand listening to Ben Seewald. He is as interesting as a cinder block.

Dar said...

A spin-off with the two married girls. Please, what in the world would be the substance. Jill had her baby. Jessa will have her baby. What else is there? What could any of them possibly contribute to enhance anyone's life?

I think by now the Ministry aspect of that show is ruled out. Jessa is a lovely looking young woman, but come on - A whole half-hour of her an Bengerman! Jill and Derick are about as amusing and entertaining as root canal. I'm sorry, but I think that ship has sailed. I enjoy the little ones, but it also gets tiresome seeing them treated almost like ghosts by their "birth" mother. I saw somewhere there was talk that the Bates family would take over their spot. I don't know about anyone else, but the Gothard "thing" has really turned me off. I can't watch and be unbiased. There appears to be some producers, in my view. at TLC, who are misogynistic. That is reflected in their choice of programming. The Gypsies - These young women are brought up to marry and have babies and subjugate themselves to their husbands. The Bates don't appear as crazy as the Duggars, but methinks, Gill is just a little bit smarter than JimBob. Their girls are brought the same way. The only show I like, at the moment, is the Little Couple.

Buckeye said...

so, according to The Patriarch, Josh molesting children was a mere 'mistake'. a 'bad choice'.

but those of us who are outraged at the Duggar handling of the molestattions are waging an 'unprecedented ATTACK' on his holy family.

Just more of the usual Duggar 'logic'.

19 Delusions And Counting.

these yokels need to go back from whence they came, thumping their Bibles and screeching their violins - far, far away from tv film crews AND all of us sinners who dare take on His Patriarchal Highness.

KimmieH said...

As exhibited many times, Jim Bob desperately requires his needy camera fix. Jim Bob's need for camera time, compares with that of an addict constantly in need of a fix. This is no ministry. Please Duggars remain off TV & go spread your Gothard cult to those who may be easily taken in because we are not. We see the facade that is the Duggars.

Bobbi said...

Jim Bob s a foolish person who doesn't realize he's NOT fooling the American public. So he's the biggest fool of all. Long ago we got Jim Bob's number. It wasn't difficult to figure out this insecure & camera needy jerk.

Too Tragic said...

I could not be sorrier for Jill and Jessa as victims of incestual molestation as well as victims of very bad cult-based parenting. Their lives could have been so different. They can still make changes but there has to be someone to bridge the gulf and from their current lives to a more normal one, and they have to be able to say, I want to live differently.

My gripe with the women and their husbands has to do with the fact that I suspect they will think, say or do anything in order to continue to milk the gravy train as that's what daddy has taught them to do, an expert at it himself. The two couples are featured speakers at an upcoming three-day Christian concert.
http://www.alive.org/seminar-topics/
Josh and Anna have dropped out, but the other four are still on the roster of speakers. They will surely get a long standing ovation from the audience at the convention.

I also read on a different site that Pa and Ma Duggar's appearance fees range from $7500 to $25000, so I wonder what Jill and Jessa's fees are. Ben and Derick probably see hefty speaking fees as their future income. JB has said numerous occasions that the show has given them the opportunity to use their fame to spread the Gospel. So Ben and Derick can accept those fees with a clear conscience since they are serving the Lord this way. No wonder Jessa said life will go on no matter what. Who needs a show when you can get a couple hundred thousand bucks a year from giving talks about living a godly life and signing autographs.

Ben was already immature and uneducated when he partnered with Jessa, but I am so disappointed that Derick has shown himself to be a kid, not a man; dumb, not wise; a wimp standing up to his in-laws rather than independent; and willing to sell his family for money and fame rather than protect them now for the future.

I hope, hope, hope that something good happens in this family, that JB and M learn something, before the light completely goes out of beautiful little Jenny and Jordyn's eyes as it seems to have for Johannah already. Maybe Michelle's sisters can adopt them.

Dar said...

Too Tragic, your post makes me feel quite sad, especially the last paragraph. I honestly believe the girls have no idea just what they are dealing with. They really don't understand what all the fuss is about. They were taught from a young age to serve their parents and they are continuing to do so. I, too, feel for the smallest children, both boys and girls. The cameras provided some diversion in their young lives. I don't think JimBob or Michelle really exhibit much joy. Things are really too serious, babies, babies, trying to conceive babies, talking about babies, but not looking after the babies already here. I don't know what will become of all these children but one can hope the older ones get some more education and the younger children will be able to pursue some interest, some skill set to enhance their lives and provide some income which will be needed if the money dries up from the "ministry" I especially feel for the youngest girls. I can only hope Michelle smartens up and see what gems she already has. It is such a mess!

Too Tragic said...

Dar. It is all very sad and that's why it's impossible to just forget about them. I want to take JB and M by the shoulders and tell them, look, you have beautiful children. Let them be free. They won't disappoint you and in fact, you would be proud of them beyond measure. In turn, they could be so proud of their self-earned happiness and success.

Bet said...

I'd love to open my home to these kids. A couple of months of rest, pants, world viewing, open discussion, gentle nudging, free thinking, laughter, literature, movies, music, museum visits, faith sharing from all the Coexist religions, but most of all-- I'd just like to see them figure out who they are and what their place is in this world, sky's the limit. (Without using the word ministry.)

I am a Christian. I think they've had too much time with a version of my Teacher that never existed.

I am seething a bit right now because I just read a Christian Right comment on my Facebook feed about how it's almost impossible to be a man of faith on TLC right now. Honestly! How can they concentrate on the persecution of this family and keep blinders up to the victimization of these children?

June Bug said...

So while all the other Duggars are still in hiding, especially Josh it looks like Jill and Jessa have returned to instagram. Jill has made her second post with pictures of the baby, and then today Jessa posted her first ultrasound picture. I guess they think things have settled down a bit so they're going to re-join social media. To me it just really proves how much these two are like a mini Jim Bob. They cant even go a few days without their face being plastered all over the Internet or TV. I'm sure In Jill and Jessa's mind they just know how much everyone misses them, not. I wish TLC would make an announcement soon.

I also wish we could see someone else interview not only Jim Bob and Michelle, but Jill And Jessa, someone who would ask the tough questions and not stop until they got an answer, I mean a real answer. Someone who has seen the show before, unlike Megyn Kelly, who didn't know anything about this family untill now. Someone who knows the dynamics of this group. Still waiting for an interview with Josh the COWARD.

Katie's Mom said...

Bet, I loved your post about opening your home to these kids. It's amazing to think what simple everyday things in life, would just open up their world. In fact, so much more than that entire family traveling around Europe & Asia. They truly reaped no benefit from those trips. It makes you stop & think that these things you mentioned are what most of us have done in raising our children to be productive members of society. They are severely lacking in social skills, & know nothing of the activities you mentioned & yet they look down at public school & mixing with other kids. Actually saying, that no teacher could ever teach so many kids. Meanwhile there they sit at, TSDRT learning nothing,unable to concentrate as there are too many of them at the table & no real books or literature of any kind.I remember Anna taking her kids to the library once, just once & Mackenzie was so excited. You could tell that Anna had never taken the kids there before. There's a big world out there & for all the traveling they've done they haven't really seen any of it.

Missy said...

I don't understand why those kids cannot have a chance at a life without all these rules & restrictions. Jim Bob & Michelle should realize now, that with everything they were so sure they were doing right, i.e. modesty in dress, courting rules, not socializing outside the home, it didn't turn out all that well, did it? Maybe they should try another tactic with all these other kids that are coming along. Too Tragic & Bet both have excellent comments that address this.

Janice Helper said...

A person who touches young girls on their private parts is a pedophile. Your brother is a pedophile. If he touches your private parts without your permission, he is a sexual molester. Your brother is a sexual molester. Your parents made you live with a pedophile and sexual molester. They allowed this pedophile and sexual molester to touch you again. Do you understand? You do not have to be a victim your whole life. There are people who love you and can help you. Run away now!

Just Me said...

Re: Too Tragic's comment about the light already being gone from Hannie. That make me so very sad. We listened to Michelle say that she would need to have talks with Joy about roughhousing & being a tomboy etc. & I knew Hannie would be next to have the spark drummed out of her. That is the saddest thing to me. Hannie who could more than give Jackson, who I think is a brat( but I know others just think he's precocious) a run for his money. Boy she was able to talk over him & let him know if she thought he was wrong & what her opinion was. I knew it was only a matter of time. Her eyes just look so sad & hollow no spark there anymore. Michelle isn't happy until she breaks their spirit & that's so wrong, especially coming from Miss Cheerleader & tomboy herself.

Bet said...

If your faith is strong, then it can withstand outside contact and exposure. Their very way of life is an indication of just how weak their faith is.

I would like them to answer this observation.

I would also like them to swear on their Bible prior to answering any more questions.

Thank you Sharla. You are amazing.

flowerchild said...

I hope that by seeing this the Duggars realize that 19 kids are too many to watch appropriately. Its a lot easier to seewhat 2,3,4 kids are up to than 14+

Living in Indy said...

An interview with Rachel Maddow of CNN she's one tough woman or Diane Sawyer. These women would not hold back they would ask the tough questions. However getting superior intellect (Jim Bob) NOT & Minnie Mouse Michelle agreeing to an interview with the aforementioned journalists would be as pulling teeth from a mad horse. We a know Jim Bob will only interview with a journalist who is in sympathy with Michelle & he. Jim Bob Duggar is the epitome iof a Coward as is Josh Duggar. These two idiots cannot handle truth or honesty on any level. They v
Cannot discuss the creepy Gothard Cult they are in. They can't handle the tough questions because they are Weak Minded Body & Soul & narcissistic! Narcissists cannot face any truth they will akways out the blame on someone else & akways Demy saying anything they've previously said, turning words around to suit their purpose. They always project an image of needing constant attention regardless of the activity or subject. That's Jim Bob, Josh & Jill. All three very boring, not very bright & disgusting.

70'schild said...

Jim Bob & Michelle are brainwashed Gothard Cult parents with no clue of the way they should parent. Michelle enjoys deleting the joy & spark from her younger daughters teaching them their only function in life is to marry, become an obedient Stepford wife & produce as many babies until your body is worn out. Michele teaches her daughters that a career outside of the home is a sin (where in the Bible is this verse ?). The Duggar parents are basically Wardens in a prison that houses their children who's only lot in life was to be born into this ignorant family. I can't believe that people in the position of authority or an agency within Arkansas have not read these messages..

Kristiana said...

I usually just read all of your comments and agree on virtually all of your points. I was watching another guilty pleasure program, regarding addictions and how families come together to "intervene" (no title mentioned). Interestingly, the addict in need of help was from a family of 11 kids in Utah. You can guess the religion. A HUGE problem that was brought up by the interventionist was that children need to be brought up by their parents, not older siblings. No matter the intentions, a child cannot have the level of security and self-esteem they deserve when the parents leave the job of raising children to the older siblings. And it is a huge burden on the older siblings of large families (typically the girls) to try to "raise" children when they are still children themselves.

But when the eldest sibling, who happens to be a male, is also crossing the line between "looking out for his sisters" and "looking OVER his sisters," how much worse must that problem be magnified?! Not only is there a lack of interest in actual parenting by both JB & M, but the oldest son was also a sneaky pervert. I don't throw around that term loosely. If Josh was 6 and a couple girls in the neighborhood were 6 or 7 we called that "playing doctor." But he wasn't. He was a teenager and the youngest victim (that we know of) was only 5(!). I know that if a 14 y.o. babysat my daughters and I found out he decided to satiate his sexual curiosity with them, awake or asleep, he would be in seriously hot water! The fact that they're his sisters just ratchets up the "creepy" factor!

Regarding the J&J interview, the most disingenuous part was how easily the phrase "licensed counseling" came out of their mouths, for 2 reasons: I've seen a psychologist before but I've never referred to my therapy as "licensed counseling." Secondly, if they were sound asleep and never knew this even happened..forgave Josh immediately...why was this "licensed counseling" even necessary, especially when Josh didn't even receive licensed counseling? Their credibility fell apart even more when Jill started the crocodile tears, attempting to garner sympathy for her being violated all over again. Really?? I thought you were asleep. And you forgave him. And it was no big deal. That's what gets talkative people into problems. Unless they're being honest, it's hard to keep it all straight.

I'll end my rant with a "chicken and the egg" question: Was Josh's lecherous behavior due to complete ignorance about the female form (read: ridiculous ankle to neck clothing) or did his behavior create such a panic that these clothing rules came to be? Just for giggles, did anyone else notice just how much Grandma Duggar revealed when mounting that saddle when horseback riding at Jenni's bday party? (Awkward!) I really don't understand why they think skirts are more modest than a typical pair of blue jeans or cargo pants. Perhaps they might encourage tomboyish behavior - God forbid!! In 10 years I have a feeling we're going to see train wreck after train wreck with this family as resentments rise within the ranks. The younger kids will hopefully find their voice, and be strong enough to use it about how horrible it must be to always feel less important than whatever new fetus "Mama" can get cranking, and to even have to sit through a televised funeral of a miscarriage! Ridiculous!

CatMom said...

Jana = Sweet mom and protector
Jill = Responsible yet naive
Jinger = Caged bird
Jessa = Sassy strength
JoyAnna = Quiet riot (in a good way)

Praying for all these different angels.

Annie said...

To NightMomma:
regarding how do you NOT know that having someone touch your private parts is wrong? I will tell you how you could NOT know. Not having parents that teach you that, that's how. It's a parents job to teach a child to tell the difference and then what to do about it and who to go to for help. I started teaching my kids at 3 as well. However, my kids actually go out in public and see other people and aren't "buddied" by older siblings constantly. I watch them and know what is going on in their lives and I LISTEN to them. Believe me, if they told me that something had happened-I would take action in a heartbeat. Someone once told me that I am in tune with my children enough to know if a snottie is out of place. sorry for that one. Lol

If they aren't taught and basically aren't with anyone else, how would they know what is right and what is wrong? they are helpless. Being fondled while being read to is deplorable and Hannie should have known that by 5. My 5 year old would. We role play what to do. JB and Michelle FAILED. Locks on doors and whatnot are not safeguards or protections. It makes me sick. As far as them crying foul that all of this is unfair-I have said, along with hundreds and thousands of fed up former fans, "Welcome to FAME." This is what you get for welcoming cameras and People magazine into your lives for each and every event. Midwest mom had it perfect that Jill cashed in for all of the good stuff but now is weeping about this. It comes with the territory sweetheart, get used to it. You couldn't pay me enough to give birth on national TV. I wondered about that when Anna had cherub #1. All the tout about modesty and she was right there delivering in front of God and everyone. Seriously, it was disturbing. After that, I got tired of all of the modesty preaching. After all, I believe in modesty for my children also, but I don't judge people that do not.

I was going to watch the interview, but not sure that I can now. Ick. Ick. ICK. do they get paid for Youtube viewings?

70'schild said...

CatMom, what an eloquent description of the five older Duggar daughters. I hope & soon Jana will bolt from the compound. The buddy system is just so wrong. Shame on Michelle for lazy disinterested parenting or lack thereof.

Heart in Florida said...

Re: CatMom's description of the older girls: Spot on correct..it's such a shame that their own parents have no idea that this is correct. They don't know ANY of their children, I'm afraid. When you have such a crowd in the house, it's not really possible to know them. They skim over with all of their kids and call it a day; go on to make more.
Also, I would think that it is just natural to know when one is being touched improperly...it's just instinct, yes, even for a 5 year old..these were not babies or infants; they were aware, intelligent children that should have enough common sense and human nature to know when "something's not right". How can the Duggars proudly describe their daughters as being so dumb as to not know? It's beyond me.

Patsy said...

Jessa & Jill will continue to do pics & updates on Instagram because they are getting paid to do so & it's easy money for them. They will also continue to make as many paid appearances as they asked to do too if the $$$ is right. Getting paid to have their pics on front covers (People, etc.) is OK with them too. $$$ is & has always been the bottom line example they learned from Jim Boob. Grab whatever they are offered for however long they can to make $$$ before the gravy train goes away. As for Jim Boob he is laughing all the way to the bank because he was already trying to turn the reins over to his kids/the next generation. IMO of course.

Bertha said...

I wonder if JB and Mullets speaking engagements are getting cancelled? Who would want them now, they lie about everything, , as someone said-19 lies and counting.

sandi said...

I'm not sure Jessa and Jill get paid to post on their own instagram.Anyone know? I think it's just for publicity purposes.

Wendy said...

I'm sure that whatever the girls are doing on social medial it will be bringing some type of financial gain, even if it's just the publicity. They don't want to give up their speaking engagements or the meet & greets they do. Of all the things their parents could have taught them, how very sad that what they have learned is; money grabbing!

Over It said...

I know the Duggars still have a loyal following, but how in the world can they just stand there & say "we have nothing to hide." I guess if they had nothing to hide that must mean that TLC was told all about, molestation in the family,their families history with CPS. This is not something like a Josh stole a candy bar as a child, or worse they found they found out that Josh was listening to pop music. Yes Jim Bob you did have something to hide, & you managed to hide it well for a number of years, but it has caught up to you & although you still maintain that you have nothing to hide, you have a PR team working 24/7 to try & keep it hidden. Guess what..IT'S NOT WORKING.

70'schild said...

Hey Jim Bob there is a verse in the Bible that states.. "Your Sins will find you Out". Now this applies to Josh & your pseudo wannabe perfect family.

Patsy said...

Is there any doubt that TLC was made aware of the situation immediately by Oprah? She is too responsible not to have made sure that was done & of course, both (TLC & Duggars) were told why she cancelled the scheduled show. IMO TLC HELPED the Duggars cover it up so they could continue making their $$$. TLC = The Lying Channel

Mindi said...

Bertha, I did see that one church did cancel Jim Bob & Michelle. I can't remember where, but it was a Southern Baptist just don't know what state. I think the speaking engagement was in July but I could be wrong about that. I remember that it wasn't in August.

sandi said...

Patsy,I don't see how TLC could not have known about Mama June (Honey Boo Boo's mother) either.She lost custody of the daughter that was abused years before the show aired,and her molester went to prison.Apparently TLC just likes to look the other way and hope for the best,which didn't work out in the end for either show.Bottom line is it's all about $$$.JMO

Katie said...

I just emailed Alive Festival asking why Jessa and Jill and their husbands were still scheduled to speak.

Aunt Bea said...

What I find strange about Jill and Jessa's demeanor about this whole situation at this time, is: if it wasn't "such a big thing" back then when Josh offended them, why is it such a big emotional thing that it was made public? Why wouldn't they react at this time, like "well, yes, it happened back then and it's no big deal that this was publicized.."..It doesn't add up to me. If it was something glossed over by this family it shouldn't be emotional now at all, IMO.

Mary said...

Just some notes I took

The girls kept saying what has been written its not the truth Its been distorted. Ok Megyn so called reporter does not ask what is the thruth? Tell us what happen.. What did you forgive Josh for If nothing happened.

Jill has a piece of paper on her lap

watch the girls eyes they are allways seaching
Jessa is great at crying. I noticed her sister Jill did not get up and give her a hug. These people are cold. there is no love in that family. Only sex objects

they crying did not last very long she did proudce a few tears

I hope this family never produces any girl babyies Just Boys


Carol said...

Why wouldn't they? Discounting their defense of Josh due to brainwashing, they didn't do anything wrong. They've got a first amendment right to make a living giving bogus seminars.

cat said...

They are all back on social media, they seem to have a PR person writing for them. What they are posting does not sound like them. I think they feel they are coming back and all is well, I sure hope not. I could never watch Josh interact with any of them again.

Bobbi said...

Cat, well of course the Duggars would hire a PR person to write for them as long ago the Duggars proved their inability to communicate. The Duggars are the poster people for limited education, grammar & vocabulary. It's that good ole ATI homeschooling that encompasses every subject & career on earth known to us. Perhaps I should have engaged in Jill Dillard speak incoporating the words "LIKE & TOTALLY" into every sentence. Jill Dillard, hmmm what a gal.

sandi said...

I don't think their PR ppl have done a good job so far.Most of us here could have done better.The interview just exposed them and showed what they are really all about,it didn't make them look better at all.And the girls are the victims,they should have never been expected to give an interview.That was Josh's job,not theirs nor his parents.

Not a Mocker said...

I would also like them to swear on their Bible prior to answering any more questions.
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They won't. There is a verse (I think in Matthew. If not, one of the other gospels) that says not to swear or take an oath by anything on heaven or earth. Instead to let your yes be yes and your no's be no's,

Sheila said...

I can't help to think a big part of the problem is the complete isolation that the Duggar family chose to raise their children in....I cant imagine being a 14 year old pubescent boy with no access to the outside world, no movies, no tv, no music, no girls your age, no friends your age, and parents who you know never had any open conversations about sex, and changing bodies and feelings...talk about confusing! Add on to that the complete lack of boundaries (physical and otherwise) that come from kids raising kids. How on earth do you have an effective, "your private areas are private" lesson with a child who probably is being dressed and bathed by a number of different siblings not that much older than themselves...the whole scenario seems ripe for problems...just wondering what everyone else thinks...

Heart in Florida said...

Sheila, you have made some very good points in your 6/20/15 post. I never thought of it quite like that. I think you've got something there. Thanks for good points of view.
to "Not a Mocker", yes, I would like for the Duggars to "affirm" on a bible that their answers are the truth; not as they choose to spin it, but a truthful account of the actual events. Sadly, they NEVER will do that...and that's telling to me.

Jozie said...

I personally believe another huge part of the problem is that the boys have no true knowledge about the female body. Boys are not allowed to watch their baby sisters get their diapers changed or see them naked in any way. The female figure us so mystifying to them its no wonder they get so curious. I have a five year old boy and three year old girl. My son watched me change my daughter and the two bathe together. My kids know the difference between boys bodies and girls bodies. They know not to touch private places and what those private places are. There's no secrets or mystery. But then, what do I know, I'm just an evil birth control pill popping, public schooling, non-Gathardite Christian who follows Jesus instead of Jim Bob.

Thingmaker said...

Bet, as a (female) person raised in nearly the exact circumstances as the Duggar girls (including sexual abuse by a brother at a very young age), your post made me tear up.

I remember many tearful nights praying for someone like you to save me.

Just realize that a couple of months of normality is not enough to erase a lifetime's worth of fundie indoctrination.

All the same I thank you for at least being concerned enough about children in my former situation to post at all.

Willow said...

Thingmaker: You are correct. It does not just go away. The Duggars are spinning something that they can't know yet. I have a close person to me who experienced this 40+ years ago and it has been a lifetime of coping for her. A person can go on to have a happy life, but it does not go away and it is not "nothing". The Duggars need to educate themselves (yeah, that won't happen!!). Hugs to you Thingmaker. :)
Thanks for sharing.

Stephanie said...

My biggest issue with Jim Bob and Michelle's interview and their story is the lie that Josh confessed to the crime and had his "Tender-heart" confessional. I don't believe that happened I don't think anyone believes that happened.

If the girls were asleep and don't remember anything how are they able to give their account to the police of what happened? They knew exactly what happened and I think they're the ones that finally were disturbed enough for somebody told somebody and it got to Michelle and Jim Bob. The girls did not want to get in trouble themselves for tempting Josh into as Jess said "a quick feel" that quote kinda bothered me where has she heard "a quick feel"? And looking at the old specials right after the molestation happened the girls didn't even have babies there is flat-chested as a five-year-old but I guess that didn't matter to Josh in the end it.
I definitely do not think Anna knew about Josh and his problems I am curious if Derek and then me about the problems we do know that Jill admitted to Jarick that she had to eat in the bathroom To make sure she could get some food. This was back when they were living in poverty before TLC came they have less children now and Jim Bob is going to have to make an honest living this will actually be a more interesting than what we've been watching for 10 years. Also these homemade YouTube videos, which is exactly what they are, they are not being made by TLC or any professional company. This is them trying to stay relevant and stay on television someway somehow. I think they want to say look how many people watch us on YouTube people still want to see us on TV please put us back on TV that is the reasoning behind these YouTube videos I bet we get one every week. And bless Anna for not having to Spreed her legs and give birth on television this time God bless her.

Willow said...

Yes, Stephanie, bless Anna indeed. The poor girl finally got some privacy, whether her in-laws wanted it or not. No hospital, though, I don't think. Notice Alyssa Bates Webster did not spread her legs for TV. She also had her baby safely in a hospital, as did Erin and Whitney. The Bates have more class in their little fingers than the Duggars could even comprehend.!!

Sugar82 said...

For any "regular, WORDLY" person/celeb I'd agree but we're talking about The Good, Ole HONEST Duggars who've painted themselves into a corner...clearly there's a difference and contradiction... The same way more people are going to be more alarmed by a schoolteacher/devout church member doing (highly) immoral things as opposed to a felon or even your average Joe/Jane is the same way the Duggars are getting more harshly judged for their deception/indiscretions...It's a contradiction of one's supposed character. If you lead an honest, Godly lifestyle, preaching "right and wrong" to the masses... then there's no need for coaching