Free Discussion, December, 2016

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Esther Cushing said...

Jessa is desperate for attention again. She just posted a video on Instagram of her stomach moving showing the baby kicking. Who thinks this is "modest"? I feel it is a personal happening reserved for those closest to her. Here's hoping she has the common sense to give birth in a hospital this time and not bleed to death at home as there could be some weakened spot now from her last life & death ordeal.

lisa mcginges said...

I was just wondering when are the dullards going back to central america? thought since the weddings are over they would be on their way by now? or maybe after Jessa has the baby since she is due next month?

Meme said...

I've been doing a little research on families like the Duggars where there is a son molesting younger siblings. After reading the material I am a little freaked out.

There are so many things that the Duggars do which seem to encourage this type of behavior. See if any of it sounds familiar. Living in close quarters where siblings share a sleeping space. Older children providing childcare for younger children. Strong patriarch type home where women are devalued. Homes where children do not receive adequate attention or care. Sound familiar? Believe me, this info was just the tip of that big ol' iceberg. There is much, much more.

Does anyone really believe that the Duggars have learned anything from this terrible experience? I see two idiot parents who STILL abuse and antagonize their hormonal, teenage children with astonishingly inappropriate sexual references and remarks. "You kids can't do this yet," their father says, as he hunches and rubs against their mother's backside. In the name of sanity, WHO DOES THAT?! What a sick, twisted pair. Next time that Michelle Duggar asks, "where did we go wrong," I hope that someone points out EXACTLY what they did and are doing wrong. (I know that there are friends of the Duggars who read these posts sometimes. So.....yes, I'm talkin' to YOU, people).

Bird said...

Meme, I fully agree with you, I dont think they learned anything and the courts giving them custody of a young child, why??? They dont like the kids they have, she likes, craves, obsessed over being pregnant, nursing and once the novelty wore off, gave away to a buddy and forgot who they were!I had hopes for Jeremy, not so much anymore..

Andrea said...

Meme if I really think about the Duggar's it freaks me out. I feel so badly for the children of Dim Bulb and Me-chelle especially the females. That said, they seem to have these great lives and have their photos splashed all over People magazine. They also have their own TV show which makes their lives seem fab. The married adult daughters (and Anna) at least have homes, wealth, health, youth, etc. But the dark side of course is parents completely uninterested in parenting / loving, their children, no education, females being second class citizens, etc. Jessa seems especially psychologically damaged. She can at times appear seriously chilly on camera. I remember in one episode she and Anna went for a coffee and she asked Anna how she was doing. Anna working on what to say nearly in tears and Jessa sat there with zero expression. At the time I was appalled, in hindsight I'm sure in her head Jessa is thinking: "Yeah, Josh acting as he did is really no surprise, not feeling sorry for Anna. He's done way worst to me and I was a child." They really are one of the scariest things to watch on TV, read about in magazine as on the surface everything is made to appear hunky dory.

Hello said...

Your post is spot on. I blame Jboob for most of it since Mullet,being just a woman, goes along with everything he says. He has no respect for any women, including his wife and daughters. I don't think he thought Josh molesting his sisters was that bad since he sent him to a friend's house instead of getting him counseling. I believe he was behind the girls decision to go public about being molested and say that they forgive him. What kind of parents kiss and grope each other in front of their kids while saying "you can't do this yet." When Josh and Anna were courting, Mullet had to say that they couldn't kiss yet, so her and Jboob would do all the kissing for them.
Mullet would never ask where they went wrong since they won't ever take responsibility. She was crowned Mother of the Year after all even though she doesn't do much mohering.

Another Nurse said...

Re:Esther Cushings comments about Jessa hoping she will give birth in a hospital. I agree with that. As a nurse, I cannot believe that the Dr's a the hospital didn't talk to both Jess & Ben about not getting pregnant for a much longer period of time after the traumatic birth of their son. The walls of her uterus cannot be completely healed in less than a yrs.time. I know Michelle had children that close but it wasn't exactly a wise decision. Jessa is heading into some difficult times if she decides she doesn't need adequate prenatal care, as well as skilled people in a hospital setting, around her when she is giving birth. This does not mean someone like Jill, should be at the delivery or worse be in charge of the delivery. We have never seen Jill at a birth where she the one that was completely in charge & things went wrong. Of course, we would never hear anything like that in the Duggars perfect world. If Jessa thinks that in this day & age, nothing bad happens to either the mom or baby or both, during labor & delivery, she's completely wrong. It's usually someone like her who is sure they have a perfect birth plan. But nothing is perfect when it comes to the birth of a baby. I will always believe that Anna should have been taken to the hospital, which she was begging for, during her labor with Michael. I believe that Michael's birth was as close to a disaster as you can come to but fortunately a disaster was averted. I don't know how she delivered that baby. His head was much larger than Kenzies was & she must not have had any prenatal care or she would have known that just because you have a due date sometimes due to the size of the baby you might need to be induced, in order for a safe delivery .

Susie said...

Jim Bob, all of his sons including John David, Jeremy, Ben, Derick are all just alike. Don't be fooled into thinking a man is going to enter this cult arena where women are so devalued and rescue someone. They choose to join because they love this lifestyle.

Meme said...

To the knowledgeable nurses who are posting: thank you for the info! I wondered what the REAL medical professionals thought of these home-birth-near-tragedies. I'm horrified whenever I see Jill wearing that darned stethoscope. I really feel that the Duggar women believe that they know as much as any medical doctor knows about delivering a baby. I can envision them getting together and deciding to do something really foolish if the situation arose. For example, not being able to get in touch with the midwife during a childbirth and deciding that the women will just handle it alone. I HOPE they would not do something like that, but who knows? Again, thanks for weighing in, ladies. (I'm sitting in a drs. office as I type this and a young woman just left in tears after being told that her badly swollen feet might be an indicator that her baby is in trouble. TWO doctors conferred about her condition before sending her to the hospital. Can't imagine Dr. Jill or her trusty assistant Michelle being given that much power and trust). Maybe the girls think they are bulletproof?

Sharon said...

Considering Jill and Jessa both labored without even a certified lay midwife, I'm not sure how much lower on the scale of lack of help they can go. Being completely alone is about all they have left to try.

Another Nurse said...

Re:Meme's question about would they actually try to go it alone if there was no midwife available?? The answer to that is YES, that's exactly what happened with Anna during the birth of McKenzie. Dr. Sarver, a woman Dr. was out of town when Anna went into labor, so Josh decided they should have a home birth, not wanting a male Dr. for his wife. The only person that was at their house during Anna's labor was a doula, a friend named MS. Teresa, who teaches some birthing classes that they had attended. However she was not a midwife. They called Jim Bob & Michelle who were at the homeschool conference in Texas with the rest of the family Josh told Jim Bob the situation & Jim Bob told him, "it's up to you,we'll pray for you." That of course is their answer to everything,. Michelle & Jill took a plane flight & arrived barely seconds before Anna gave birth. Of course, at that time Jill hadn't even started down the road to becoming a midwife. So there was really no professional there for the birth of their first child.

Amanda K. said...

Sad is what the Duggar story now. I feel they will crash very soon with a tragedy happening as it is only a matter of time due to their careless behavior. The girls are having huge babies, difficult childbirths but don't seem to be facing facts. Years ago, many mother's died during home childbirths. They are so brainwashed & stupid to allow the cheap husbands to forbid them from having pain free, monitered hospital births, only allowing them emergency room treatment when something goes terribly wrong like with Jessa's uncontrolled bleeding or Jill laboring for days, stressing out her and the baby. It's disturbing to think that young little Joy could be enduring a painful, risky childbirth next year out in that campground area where the courting boy lives. She must be afraid of what is in front of her but does not know what do do except obey the God Jimbob so she does not go to hell.

Fed Up said...

I just cannot believe that any court would give Jim Bob & Michelle custody of this young boy. Everyone knows that there are multiple problems in the Duggar home. Wasn't there anyone else that could take this child in, or just let me take a wild guess, that it's all for publicity. Michelle doesn't even know that Jenny & Jordyn exist right under her roof & she's adding another child. This child will not be a "cookie cutter" child as the Duggars claim all the others are. At his age & this background he needs a good therapist, which he won't get unless the court mandates they must have a therapist for him. The poor boy has obviously had a rough time of it & it's not going to get any better for him living with Jim Bb & Michelle.

Heart in Florida said...

It'll be interesting to see when Jill and Derick head back to Central America. They should have arrived there by now as the Christmas "trips" begin on 12/3. My mother used to say that those people who want to "minister in remote places", like Africa and Central America can't face life. They hide in their 'mission life" and live a fantasy one. Brownie points given to them by others who admire their "sacrifice" living without conveniences that we have in the U.S. I don't think Derick can face his life; he left a lucrative job with a good company like WalMart that he trained in college for. He traded a seemingly stable future for THIS life he's leading now? He also looks like a slob. Sorry to say he has gone down hill in a short time. Jill gives the impression she's emotionally walking on glass and really hates the missionary life she's trumpeted about her whole life. Her marriage and her "career" have been huge disappointments to her. How is she really coping with that totally unexpected realization? I'm sure her family doesn't even notice or really care. They're too self absorbed.

Cat said...

It's really sad all these girls are forced into marriage with literally, complete strangers.Michelle wasnt raised that way, she had a happy normal school life, sad her children can't, is she so emotionally battered that she can't change things. They dont seem happy, really either, looks forced.

Also A Nurse said...

What bothers me the most about the Duggar girls laboring at home & giving birth without any skilled professional is that they absolutely do think that they have skilled medical care available to them on a minutes notice. All they need to do is make a phone call to Michelle & she will show up with at least 2 other daughters who are not in any way ,shape or form related to the medical field. If you've seen Michelle at these birth's she stays out of the room ringing her hands. I remember with Anna's second baby (toilet birth if anyone doesn't remember)from the time she arrive at that house she was saying Anna was doing great & the baby would be born within the next few minutes. Well Anna wasn't doing great,she was screaming that she couldn't do this. Of course, Josh then took over & held her face in his hands & later told the camera that he was explaining to Anna that yes she could do this. He then went for a nap. The few minutes that Michelle was so sure of turned into over 20 hours of labor. So that's how the Duggars do a home birth. Jill ended up in the hospital for a C-section when things didn't go the way she always told the young mother's when she was assisting the midwife at the birth of a child. Jessa hemorrhaged, after the baby was born & was taken by ambulance to the hospital to be checked out. I believe she was given a transfusion but not sure about that. Michelle sure didn't think it was any big emergency, if you hear her calling 911, "mother is bleeding after giving birth." If you notice any time the Duggars do need to go to the hospital it's never a major problem to them. I remember Josie's seizure. When Michelle & Jim Bob arrive back in AR, since they had been in CA or somewhere, seeing what could be done for the children in that country, when Josie had the seizure & Jana had been the one to handle calling an ambulance & rushing Josie to the hospital. Michelle immediately started saying how it was really nothing to worry about with Josie, as she was susceptible to seizures & she was a happy healthy little girl when they saw her. Of course she was, Jana said she had been having IV's for dehydration etc. for almost 2 days, before her mother ever saw her. We all know that little ones, once on the road to recovery, usually recover fairly quickly. They didn't think it was a big problem when their son fell thru the orchestra pit & was rushed to the hospital with multiple problems. I could go on & on but basically all of the Duggars play fast & loose, with the safety of all the children, as well as the pregnant women in the family. Some day their will be a tragedy & you know what.....it will be used for TV ratings, just as Jubilee's memorial was used for ratings.

A Nurse not a midwife said...

Re:Meme's comment about Jill & her darned stethoscope. You are right on target as Jill's stethoscope is not even the type a nurse that works in maternity uses. If you have seen one, it's not like a regular stethoscope is usually is a "dual type" so the nurse & the mother can listen to the baby's heartbeat together.

Bird said...

Those poor girls have been at all Michelle's births,my guess is that qualifies them to be in the medical field.I hope any future girl who is considering marrying one of the boys will see that when they have a baby, it is filmed and if you have trouble, dont think any help will arrive until daddy duggar makes sure they got plenty on tape, just cant waste ratings!

Nancy Nurse said...

I'd like to add to Sharon's comment about Jill & Jessa laboring without a certified midwife. Anna was the first Duggar to labor & deliver her first baby without any skilled professional there. She had a doula who is not a skilled medical professional. The doula is used for getting ice chips, possibly extra pillows, general comfort measures but not medical help. So they will probably continue on the road they are traveling until there is a tragedy.

Bird said...

Even if there was a tragedy, I wonder if it would stop them from filming it, I highly doubt it, I have this vision of Michelle and JB texting about Jessa birth and jb saying I'll call an ambulance, but you tell them nothing serious, no need for sirens, just to buy a little more filming time...

Heart in Florida said...

Why would a "MODEST" mother want her daughters to witness her labor and delivery? They ALL seem to have known about her ovulation cycle posted in the refrigerator..I remember seeing that episode, YES, it's true, she did that. This family as "modest and religious" as they claim to be has no boundaries.

Who knows? said...

These girls should have some idea of what they are in for during labor.How many times did we see Michelle in an advanced stage of labor throwing herself over the back of a chair in the living room, trying to ease the pain of contractions, while Jim Bob waits in the kitchen to gets his breakfast prepared for him by either his mother or Jana? Michelle between contractions saying that Jim Bob always likes to have a good breakfast when she is in labor & on her way to the hospital. She has also made mention of how painful the ride to the hospital is when her labor is so advanced & there no way to move around in the car to find a comfortable position. These girls have seen how their father treats their mom when she's in labor & they probably already know that the same fate is awaiting them in the future.

Bird said...

Those poor girls are not allowed to give birth in hospitals, is there proof that Michelle has ever had any at home?

jenniegal said...

One would think that witnessing Anna's painful births, especially the toilet birth, would have sent Jill & Jessa straight to the hospital to have their babies. Both of the childbirth experiences really turned out to be difficult with medical intervention. I cannot imagine either of them doing it again at home, risking their life & that of the baby. Let's hope posting on here has made them think more about the risks. Yes, Josh & the carefully chosen husbands are useless bums but Jimbob has plenty of money to pay for a hospital birth to make sure these girls and the babies are safe. It's cruel and disgusting to allow the girls to suffer.

lisa mc gingers said...

well when they see these people coming would you want to take them on as patients? I would say no way would I. maybe they labor on their own because every doctor in their state has turned them down? wonder whatever happened to the doctor that use to take care of michelle? I also wonder if these women have any bladder issues especially michelle after having so many kids. i also wonder about Jessa and Jill after having such hard labor with the first child.

Elspeth said...

I'm not sure it's a case of "not allowed" to give birth in a hospital but possibly more they've been taken in by Miss Theresa into thinking like the home birth crowd who think birth is natural so shouldn't need any medical assistance. I think if Anna had gone ahead with the planned hospital birth with the first one, they might all be doing hospital births.

Eden V. said...

"Those poor girls are not allowed to give birth in hospitals, is there proof that Michelle has ever had any at home?"

Other than the 2 sets of twins and the last few pregnancies, I'm pretty sure Michelle mostly gave birth at home. Jackson was the first one born after they started the TV "ministry". Kelly Bates had most of her babies at home as well. When you consider how quickly something could go horribly wrong with baby or the mama (or both), it's a big risk.

Elspeth said...

Michelle had two home births. The rest were in hospitals.

Aunt Bea said...

Yes, I, too, wondered what happened to Dr. Sarver? Why didn't Jill and Jessa have her take care of them? Jessa would be a fool to risk another "home birth". I also believe that she has had NO pre natal care with child #2. Only an idiot doesn't learn from past experiences....I guess the Seewalds are idiots.

Andrea said...

Amy's instagram is back up and public. Wondering what the absence was about? Maybe she was just "tweaking" her imagine. To be honest, all the the social media accounts of the Duggar's make me think they lead the boring lives ever.

Ridiculous said...

I don't know if people remember but Ms. Theresa,the doula at the time Anna's was laboring & giving birth to her first child, was married to a Dr.(family practice I think) He lost his license to practice medicine for some issue around drugs. I truly don't know if he was using drugs or selling prescriptions. Either way he apparently wasn't a top notch Dr. I believe Ms. Theresa was studying for her midwifery certification along with Jill, when the woman who was their instructor lost her license. That was the reason her students could not continue with their midwifery studies. I don't know how this affected Jill as she has claimed for some time that she is a professional midwife.

Andrea said...

Anyone else see the photo of Jim Bob, Michelle, Jill and Derick out eating at Panera Bread with caption: "Out on a double date with some of our best friends!" Gosh, really?! Your children and their spouse are your best friends? I wonder if that's because no adult their own age could stand their company of Jim Bob and Michelle? Also wonder what poor soul is stuck looking after Israel while their parents "fine dine."

Elspeth said...

Jill passed the CPM exam, but apparently has never taken the Arkansas licensing exam. She doesn't appear to be licensed anywhere. Calling herself a midwife is one of those middling lies the Duggars tell. She sort of is a midwife, but she can't practice anywhere so she really isn't.

Heart in Florida said...

I would equate Jill calling herself a midwife to someone who graduated law school, but didn't take the state bar exam...can they call themselves a lawyer? No. Jill isn't a midwife if she didn't complete her exams.

Many posters on different sites have been asking when Jill and Derick are returning to Central America? Suspiciously, these questions aren't being answered and silly comments about this family are given responses. Well, Dillards, here is another inquiry...When are you returning to the "mission field" and are you still employed by SOS ministries OR any other ministry other than "Dillard Ministries"? Where are you getting your income from these months that you have been in Arkansas? You also have taken some flights while in the USA, who paid for these trips?
If someone knows the real answers to these inquiries, please respond here...thank you very much...

Elspeth said...

I considered making the same point that someone who graduates from law school and doesn't pass the bar is considered to be posing if they claim to be a lawyer or a nurse who doesn't pass the licensing exam isn't considered a nurse.

Andrea said...

http://www.healthy.arkansas.gov/aboutADH/RulesRegs/LayMidwifery.pdf

For anyone curious, Jill has completed the first exam of two to become fully licensed in Arkansas. She must write and pass the Arkansas Midwife Regulations exam with a score of 75% or higher.

She has written and passed is call the North American Registry of Midwives. It actually makes me wonder if perhaps she has written and failed the Arkansas Midwife Regulations exam. What's the point of writing one and not the other? I suspect one might be fairly easy and the second a little too hard for a graduate of Duggar Dining Table H.S.

janice said...

Jessa should be having the new baby monitored as to size and position in preparation for birth considering her last big baby birth. Even if she is stupid, she still should be very afraid of bleeding to death as there must be some weak spots in her birth canal from the serious bleeding episode during Sturgeon's birth.

Marla Ann said...

It is weird to call going out to dinner with your kids a "double date". I wonder if they did their oh so naughty & sexy drinking one ice cream soda with 2 straws thing.

lisa magines said...

i would think derrick since he was working in a school as a sub teacher.

Aunt Bea said...

Referring to activities as "dates" with your spouse is a childish-silly thing to do. It's just juvenile. They're making up for the lost time when they were young and single and prohibited to actually date anyone. Why can't this family simply say they went out to eat with their daughter & son-in-law?

almsw119 said...

I think that these girls are SO sheltered from the real world that they honestly don't understand or know what all could happen in birth, real life, etc. They have probably been taught that the baby is born somehow, don't worry! And they are taught that a babies life is far more precious then their own. I remember Michelle being tearful after she was told to not have more kids because it would mean her life, and she was ok with that because it was her duty. Ugh.

Andrea said...

oh Amy . . . Her and her husband are appearing on Marriage Bootcamp. I don't normal speculate on the state of someone marriage, but really? Reality TV is a recipe for martial disaster. Amy's marriage will last 5 years tops. Other than Dim Bulb and Mullet, can someone please tell me of a happily married reality TV couple? I also question how happy Dim Bulb and Mullet are, but that's another post.

Dina said...

This is my first time commenting in a long time. Reading the comments about the home births has me quite concerned about poor Joy Anna. Remembering all the times they minimize serious medical issues is a sign of ignorance. I am a nurse and I fear for the potential tragedy that may await these ladies and their babies. It is beyond reprehensible to see a father feign sexual action in front of his daughter and her fiance. I do not understand the authorities in the state of AR. The lack of safe parenting alone should raise suspicion that keeps child protective services involved. What kind of person has her babies in the hospital and then stands by while her daughters suffer unnecessarily. Is this to prove their faith? Faith does not deny reality. God gives us wisdom, if we ask, and free will to act. I supported this family despite the disparaging comments of others. All these years I have watched the systematic exposure of the reality of this reality TV family. We live in a nation where we have fought for the right to have religious freedom. I support their right to practice their religion, but not to the detriment of their own children. Heartbreaking.

Who Knows said...

I'm sorry to say this, or even think it but I'll bet that Jessa feel confident that she will be in good hands with Jill acting as her midwife. She couldn't be more wrong about this. I think Jill goes to pieces when things don't go as they should. Nobody really knows just how many, if any babies she has delivered working alone as the midwife. Maybe I missed it but I didn't see any film of her delivering any babies while she was in CA. All I saw was her getting a tour of the facility where the women go to have their babies & yes she was shown with her stethoscope listening to one women's baby's heartbeat. I didn't see anything further that that. Has anyone else seen Jill acting alone as the midwife on call? It was ridiculous for her to be skyping with Jessa when Jessa was about to have a very dangerous experience. Was Jill the one who said call an ambulance? I have never believed that the Duggars all want home births due to the expense of a hospital visit. I think the men don't want any male Dr. seeing their wife's "lady parts." Or having anyone else other than a family member telling them what to do. After all the Duggars feel they are the ones that know what to do in any given situation. Dr. Sarver seemed like a wonderful Dr. but nobody knows why they haven't used her as their attending Dr. Anna went without any skilled medical care when her first child was born & I think they just think, oh well if she can deliver once with her first baby all by herself she can do the same after that. We know she didn't have anyone for Michael but did have a midwife for Marcus. As far as Meredith goes, who knows?

lisa mc gingers said...

anyone hear the amy king and her husband will be on that show show on we tv marriage boot camp. guess their is trouble already. wonder what Jim boo thinks about that one. at least they do not hide it under the rug like his kids do if their is trouble in the marriage. I think Jill and derrick have some issues. Not sure about jessa and ben but I can see it happening down the road when he has six kids by the time he is 27 or 28 years old.

Another Nurse said...

Re:Dina's comments. As a nurse myself I agree with your comments about how the Duggars minimize serious medical issues especially re:childbirth. Also you are right on target about any father who would feign sexual action in front of his daughter & her fiancé. I don't understand why authorities who know about the lack of safe parenting haven't stepped in to ensure the safety of those children. Although I support freedom of religion, I have not supported the Duggars as their religion enslaves both children & women.

Just Ridiculous said...

I think Jill & Derick's marriage is a classic example of what happens when you rush into a marriage. She didn't know Derick no matter, what her parent's tried to say. How well can you know someone when you have never even had a private conversation with your them? Did Jill have any idea what mission work Derick had in mind for his family or did she just think he would continue to be a prayer partner with someone else who had taken his place in Nepal? There were so many unanswered questions with this marriage, it's no wonder it looks like there are beginning to be some cracks in the marriage, it never had a firm foundation in the beginning. I'm not saying you need to be engaged for 7 or 8 yrs. before your marriage but a very few months while you are constantly being watched over, sometimes by young member of your family. I don't think any of these marriages will end up as: "30 yrs. happily married," the way Jim Bob & Michelle are quoted as saying they have been.

Bird said...

Regarding the state of reality star marriages, I cant think of any that are still married, oh, wait, the little couple, but I think they are off now.I have always wondered about Jb and Michelle, he's probably very happy, he doesn't have to do a thing! I wonder if Michelle thinks about her life before a this?

Meme said...

I would not want to be the Duggar daughter who gives birth to the baby with the cord wrapped around its neck. Or the breach birth. Or..... Their arrogance is going to kill someone and/or someone's baby. We've come a long way since women had to bite on something or claw up the loveseat. BUT NOT IN DUGGARLAND! Nope. Here, the past is celebrated and modern medicine is mocked - except in the case of precious Michelle. These silly girls don't know anything, they just THINK that they do, which is way worse. Their mother, however, DOES know that they're playing with fire, and says nothing. Kinda tells you everything you need to know about her, doesn't it? I too believe that the males don't want a doctor seeing the lady parts. Dr. Sarver wasn't chosen just on account of her doctoring skills. I dunno if the cult encourages home births but if they do, you can bet that Gothard or some other man made that rule. One last thing. The day they pull a big ol' big-headed baby outta Josh Duggar's tail will be the day he can tell others to do without doctors and medicine. Until then he can keep sweet and keep quiet.

too bad,so sad said...

I am not sure if home births are because the fathers/husbands don't want the lady bits seen. It is filmed. The whole film crew, sound guy, producer etc are all right there. They might try to keep the lady bits private but how do they not have a slip here and there. I believe it is because most hospitals are regulations and will not allow a film crew in delivery. Also it makes the Duggars, so they think, so much more down to earth and living the simple life.
As far as the marriages, I don't think there is any perfect time to be together before one knows who they want to marry. I think it takes experiences with your intended to see them at their very worst. Marry when you knew this is who you want to be with "even though" not when you both have been on your best behavior, haven't weathered any adversity and still in the glowing first blaze of love.

Elspeth said...

Births are filmed in hospitals all the time. It started in the Duggars with Anna. She was seeing Dr Sarver who was going to be out of town (so the story goes) and Anna flipped to the unlicensed Teresa. The TN Bateses births have been filmed and they've used the same doctor. It really makes no sense except this is what Anna, Jill, and Jessa decided that they wanted.

Willow said...

Who knows for sure, but I think it must be that the Duggars think the homebirth is more interesting/controversial for their "reality" show. It could partly be TLC, as well as many other reasons. As far as the cult, however, Gil Bates is higher up in the "cult" than JB is and he allows his "wimmin" to go to the hospital. Either that or he allows them to out-vote him because Kelly had her last several babies in the hospital, and the younger girls have as well. They have a nice Christian male doctor and Erin even hugs him. I am sure a lot of the Quiverful/IBLP/Gothard/ATI folks believe in home birth, but I think its smart that the Bates girls use hospitals. I wish the Duggar girls would take a clue. Maybe Jinger will! I would even say that probably the consistent prenatal care is even more important, right? I mean I think its risky to even try homebirth without some prenatal assessments.

Just Me said...

Yes many of Michelle's births have been filmed. Also at one time there was a reality show on TLC that had the births of babies & it was all filmed. So I don't think they don't go to the hospital due to the fact that they can't film.

Bird said...

How could Jessa want to do it at home after seeing those other births? I just dont understand why Derrick and Ben's mom haven't tried to intervene, oh, wait, once you marry into the Duggarland, any real ties to your family are gone. Let's just hope thst Jinger is smarter,doubtful..

Wondering said...

re: too bad, too sad, comments about marriage. I also don't think there is any perfect time to marry & you certainly never know exactly how the marriage will work out. However that's a bit different from never having gone on a date with the man you are marrying & having dad pick out the man in the first place. Those girls have said ever since they were very young that "daddy" would pick the husband for them. If you haven't dated someone how would you even have an inkling of his true personality. Yes some men are good at hiding their true personality but when you haven't even had one conversation that wasn't monitored by mom & dad you won't have a clue. You are entering into an arranged marriage & you are the one who will live with this man & have to deal with him & any poor behavior, not good old dad.

Missy said...

Josh was always in charge of Anna's pregnancy. From the moment he called the film crew to make an announcement about the pregnancy. One member of the crew made the statement that "the Duggars are very TV savvy" Then there was Anna's first visit to Dr. Sarver & she was very nervous & upset that Josh was late, running on "Duggartime," which she wasn't quite used to then. Josh told her not to worry, Dr. Sarver would wait for them if they were late. How many of us feel our Dr. will just wait around for us if we don't show at the appointed time? When Anna went into labor & they found out Dr. Sarver was out of town, Josh called his parents who were at a homeschool conference in Big Sandy, Texas, & told Jim Bob they were thinking of trying a home birth. Jim Bob, brilliant man that he is said " whatever you think, we'll pray for you," which is their standard answer for everything. They decided to call the doula Ms. Theresa, who had conducted some birthing classes they attended. She was not a skilled medical person. Jim Bob had sent Michelle & Jill home, hoping they would arrive in time for the birth. They arrived only moments before Anna gave birth to McKenzie. Of course, the film crew was already there.So that tells you what was most important...get the film crew there, don't miss filming the birth.

BLB said...

Just Ridiculous: Jill's experience with mission work consists of passing out candy, soccer balls, and candy and painting finger and toenails. This is whole new ballgame for her and she doesn't want to play!! I kind of pity her...

Bird said...

The whole Jeremy/jinger courtship was so weird and different. Is that because their family was found out to be not so sweet and wholesome as they wanted us to believe so they had to find another way to keep interest? I just dont understand how any of those girls would want Josh at their weddings or better yet, the future husbands, so sick! I wonder, if one of the daughter's has an emergency birth problem and the guys, Jim, just keeps on filming, instead of helping and calling for help, would TLC be liable?

Big kite said...

The thing that is discouraging to me about the Duggars is that they continue to live fairly comfortable lives without working to generate income.

Hard working folks provide them with such adoration for being such a nice upstanding family. Well in my opinion they are not an upstanding family. They are far from upstanding, and they may in fact be evil.

They promote such extreme laziness and they make others with similar crazy beliefs about God and women think such a lifestyle is easily within reach. Well let me tell you, most of the other Quiverfull families live in squalor.

Aunt Bea said...

I was quite shocked about Jim Bob's "justifying comments" regarding the molestation issue during their TV interview with Megan Kelly. He compared the sins of his household as not being so bad as other incest cases he heard about within their group. Doesn't it say somewhere in the bible that we are NOT to compare our sins to others' worse sins and say that we're not so bad compared to the actions of bigger sinners? We stand judged alone on our own actions? As such a devout Christian, that he claims to be, shouldn't he have known that? Diverting attention away from their family, when it suits them, is one of their practices. So ungodly IMO.

Meme said...

Aunt Bea you are correct and I couldn't agree with you more. These people don't want or intend to acknowledge that they raised a troubled son. Rather than asking themselves "why" they choose to downplay or outright deny that their methods might be faulty. We know this because they continue to insist on their children courting rather than dating. Maybe if Josh had been allowed to date girls he wouldn't have been so obsessed with his sisters. JB had such a cow over wanting Jinger and Jeremy to delay marriage and get to know one another better. What does he expect? Gothard insists on courtships - and encourages short ones at that. Isn't it amazing that so many sheeple were taken in by such a strange, never married pedophile? And that even though he's been dethroned, his rules and laws are still in effect?

laura said...

Wait. Sooooo they can date AFTER they are married but not before?
I'm confused, but this is normal when one listens to the duggars.
I remember seeing an episode of world's strictest parents.
The lengths these parents went to control every aspect of their children's existence was beyond belief. And tiresome. This is on a pathological level and so unnecessary for most normal, healthy children.
How poor joy Anna could possibly want to go from bad to worse for the rest of her life!!!!
Poor little darling. She needs a good bath, hugs and kisses and to be pushed out the door in the real world with her own bank account and car.
She will not turn into stone. She will not walk straight to hell, her hair won't turn purple and her skin somehow pierced and tattooed.
We've all been hoping for respite for these kids, clearly it is getting worse.
Just saw the most normal pic of derick in the classroom.
Guess they have limits on letting Hairy Hobo Jesus around kids.
He says 'if you are led'.........please donate to a student recently passed away.
If I am LED??? Why does he have to solicit like that? Why can't he just say, if you CAN, or ask for prayers.
Just ask for money. Not everyone believes in Christian God and just be normal about it. Same thing with the donate button on his website. GEEZ, ticks me off.
And Amy saying someone choked her up but says it wasn't dillon?
WEIRD HINKY stuff going on with her. On a side note, self satisfaction to be had on my part knowing dim bulb probably had an apoplexy about marriage boot camp. Awwww I chuckle.

Helena said...

I just noted a post from mid November 2016 by Jill proclaiming we are in the last days and they must get back to CA to save the souls before the end is upon us. I think she & Dillard are both suffering from some sort of narcissistic disorder. Since when do missionaries come and go as they please, for weddings & holidays? Derrick is stating he's working MANY jobs while in the states. Many? Why not just one good job?

Meme said...

The Southern Baptist mission board has had to drastically cut positions due to budget problems. I have a relative who managed to stay in China but she is very much the exception. I can't imagine Derick and Jill being allowed to stay in CA no longer than they've been at it. Sort of "playing at it". My cousin has been in China for decades. So I'm not sure how the Dillards are managing to stay put.

liza J said...

Helena.....I found the post. Why are Jill & Derrick hanging around in the USA, going on "dates" to restaurants, etc. if they truly believe the end of the world is very soon upon us? Could they both be bordering on mental illness? Derrick certainly looks like he's lost his mind. Check out the post as Jill, in true superior Duggar knows best fashion, insultingly & coldly refers to the residents in CA as lost souls when it is known they are mostly Catholic.

Elspeth said...

Meme, the Dillards weren't sponsored by the IMB. They couldn't meet the qualifications. They went under the auspices of SOS run by a "family friend." That makes it even a bigger deal if they were asked to leave or not return.

roddma said...

I don't care how great Kelly Bates's birthday posts are They are cut from the same cloth as the Duggars. They allowed their kids to be around a guy accused of sexual misconduct and they are still part of the organization. No one is that happy all the time. The Bates don't fool me.

Meme said...

Yes, thank you, Elspeth. I'm so ignorant sometimes that I surprise myself. Guess I just don't get it. Do they really have this many fans and/or this much financial support from someone? I'm a big supporter of mission work but that's just it, I don't think that they do very much of it. The relative I mentioned eats, drinks and sleeps her job - never married and VERY seldom comes home for visits. I can't help but compare. Man, these Duggars find ways to work without really working, claim degrees without an education, etc.

Andrea said...

Helena, thanks for the heads up about "Dillard Family Stateside Update." I agree with your observations. Jill and Derrick are insane. I also have to laugh at : "While we are stateside in the US for this brief time, we want to continue to make the most of both our time and resources." Right, you're so busy doing nothing. I find it highly unlikely they're going back to CA anytime soon, not with Christmas 2 weeks away, yet according to the post, the visit stateside is brief. I'm curious to know when people think Jill and Derrick will actually be flying back to CA.

I think the post is a thinly veiled attempt at asking for more money and at the same time reassuring donors that money already donated has not gone to waste. Who in their right mind gives these grifters money?!

God Forgive Them said...

Re: Andrea's comment about who in their right mind would give these grifters money? I have to agree with you, as your question has hit the nail on the head. However there must be enough people who are not in their right minds that are supporting these grifters. I wonder if people realize that the "date" they went on with Jim Bob & Michelle was probably paid for by their donations. I have known people who have supported "missionaries" like Jill & Derick & sadly they are usually people who don't have a dime to spare & their donations are taking away from their own families needs. You'll never convince the people that are supporting them financially that they don't need the money. All they need to do is make a trip to the Bank of Jim Bob Duggar & they will find enough there to fed the hungry & care for the sick. But that's not what they are looking for they don't care if people are starving or have no medical care they are only interested in "saving their souls." Whenever Jill & Derick take a trip I always wonder if they are flying first class. That would never even surprise me. I believe the are learning from the top notch grifters...Jim Bob & Michelle. We know they have taken as much as possible from people who donated clothing, food, etc. to that family while Jim Bo was collecting rent from people who were barley scraping by. Now they are supported by TLC but that entire family is a bunch of grifters. Jim Bob & Michelle could never have feed & clothed those kids before TLC came along. They have always taken every last penny they could get from anyone who will give it. So Jill & Derick have learned from the best & as long as anyone will support them they will have their hand out. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Jim Bob has always taken advantage of people & he'll never change. Jinger's wedding was pretty expensive compared to the other girls. Who do you think paid for it.. not the Duggars that's or sure.

Only Me said...

Re:Andrea's comments. You know people are not in their right minds when they see the house Jill & Derick are living in, as well as all the vehicles at their disposal. They lack for nothing themselves. These people who are supporting them don't even know exactly what country they are working in as missionaries. What ever happened to Jill learning Spanish. All the yearly trips the Duggars have taken required that they have at least some knowledge of conversational Spanish. Jill has gone on these trips for yrs. & she still can't speak a word of the language & their supporters don't think anything is wrong with that. They still keep handing over their hard earned money not knowing a thing about what it's being used for.

Meme said...

Thanks to everyone who is posting to remind us all of how much grifting goes on with this family. If you've ever worked with people like this you know that they reach a point where they begin to EXPECT others to consistently give to them - food, clothing, money, whatever. Strangely, they never seem to become generous givers themselves, even (or especially) when they are financially stable. Reminds me of the boy who bums cookies from my son every day at lunch then wants a dollar when the "sharing" is reversed. LOL.

Aunt Bea said...

"Grifting" becomes a way of life and the Duggars have achieved this a long time ago. I would like to see one of them, especially their sons-in-law live a completely independent life, stand on their own and financially support their own households minus ANY handouts from "fans" (parishoners) or their wives' family.

LIz J said...

Has anyone checked out the "Special Message from Jeremy & Jinger on Honeymoon" on Utube. There is no joy as Jeremy looks disappointed, unhappy and dull and Jinger looks exactly like Michelle staring down Jeremy as he talks. Sounding like a little girl she says she wants to hold a kangaroo!! Does she know they are huge animals with a dangerous tail?? In the middle of the video, Jeremy thanks everyone who made this possible, what???? Is he referring to money and wanting more money??? If so, he's already in the Duggar state of mind.

Carole Lee said...

Tks Liz...I found the honeymoon message on utube. I agree Jeremy does not look honeymoon happy or even have his arm around Jinger. He's talking about experiencing Australian cuisine and looks toward the window.....like get me out of this room !! but she's clutching his arm and looking adoringly at him....Michelle syle. Just not a good vibe here. Check out Jeremy's expression when Jinger says she wants to pet and hold a kangaroo....it's like "what?????" as if a child said something so dumb in public and you have to ignore it.

Millie K. said...

I cam across Jessa's instagram account on the internet regarding Spurgeons first birthday and am stunned about how the boy looks exactly like Jimbob (the photo of the child with the fake blue tie). It's absolutely amazing.

laura said...

Jessa and Ben are bringing another baby into this world.
What does Ben do all day?
Does he have an income from 'preaching'?
I have heard that he had a degree from somewhere? Can someone tell me if this is a fact? And what degree and where from?
No one praises him or continuously brings it up. If he has some sort of education it does not seem to have any importance, same with services accounting degree.
I do not believe that encouraging Young, Uneducated children to reproduce like rabbits, not better themselves and look down upon any other way but their own is extremely poor parenting advice.

Justice said...

wow, that's right Carol, Sturgeon is the spitting image of Jimbob and so is the little Dillard boy. Those Duggar genes gotta be strong. When Jinger & Jeremy have a child, it better be dark haired being 1/2 EYEtalian and Jinger has dark looks as well.

Bird said...

I also watched the video, he looks amazed, like WTH?? Interesting, Josh had a job when he and Anna got married, all through the marriage, up to the molestation and affairs.What is the reason the husbands of the girls cant have real jobs?

Alisha James said...

There are photos of Ben in cap & gown graduating when they were first married so it could not have been much as he was only 19 years old at the time !! It has never been reported that Ben has ever worked while married. He repaired car windshields before marriage & then when Jimboob lured him onto the Duggar compound to live in a shed while he courted Jessa (sounds so trashy but true) he did handyman work for Jimboob. We saw him cleaning toilets in one TLC show. Now he seems to sit around, posting religious comments as though he is a wiseman, but no sign of a job. He must have caught the Duggar lazy attitude. What is Josh doing for work now? Dillard is simply a dropout of life hippy beggar. We shall see about Jeremy soon enough. He hasn't worked for years but suddenly is pastor of a small church on a border town in Texas but has been away for all the wedding preparation trips, like NYC to get engaged, like he couldn't get engaged in her hometown !! Now he is in Australia....so when is this new Duggar recruit actually working?? That's my Duggar work report !!

Willow said...

Ben has an Associates (AA) degree. I'm sorry that I can't remember what the degree is anymore. I used to think it was in business but then seems like someone said it was a little different than that. Anyway, they filmed his graduation about 3 or so years ago. Has he ever used this degree in any way? Not that I have heard about. The last thing I remember was Jessa saying he was studying religion/theology, something like that on line and looking for a school to attend so he could go into preaching. Its been "crickets" since then as far as I know. If anyone has any info on this, please weigh in.

Willow said...

I agree Spurgeon looks so much like Jessa/Jim Bob. However, I always thought Izzy looked like Cathy. They are both beautiful little boys.

Elspeth said...

Ben earned an associates degree from the public state National Park College that was until around that time a community college.

Elspeth said...

Ben is doing an online ministry degree program. It's through Moody Bible Institute I believe. Some of his videos posted through their website look a lot like class projects.

laura said...

Thanks everyone for posting answers to my questions. Often I learn things from this site before others.
Also to clarify a couple mistakes on last post- DERRICKS accounting degree, not services
And I was saying they do NOT give good parental advice(have to check better for typos)

I tried posting about jingers wedding but technology so- jingers dress and shoes were beautiful. So were bridesmaids, even Jill's I liked. It was nice and surprising to see Classy and duggars in the same place.
Some of The first pics posted on rag sites were not very flattering, just looked random and some had jinger with weird look on her face.
Was hoping jinger would opt for a smaller affair, how does an isolated child truly Know 1000 people? But the wedding looked nice.
Good luck to them.

Duggarsbegone said...

It doesn't take long to hit 1000 people when most of the families they know can have a dozen or more kids and the ENTIRE family gets invited. These families don't go ANYWHERE without all their kids.

Big kite said...

As of December 30, 2016

Girls: 4/5=80% married off Boys: 1/6=16.7% married off

Next, 4 more boys. Can Jim Bob afford to keep all these males on the payroll?

Catlady said...

I wish Ben and Derricks family would come out and give their opinions on what has happened to their son's appearance, they both seemed healthy and pretty much normal when they met, even Ben's mom was shocked when Michelle brought up being a grandma in a year, Michele was right!

Michaela said...

Seems like once a someone is married into the Duggar clan, Anna, Ben & Dillard, their families disappear. They are shown briefly at courting time and rarely afterward, as if the families do not count anymore. It is easy for lazy people to marry into the family as they see they will not have to work at all. It's getting really strange with those older Duggar boys. Before Jimbob knows it, they will be hitting 30, fat & bald virgins without ever dating or working at jobs. Jimbob must start to think about the future of the couch potatoes.

lisa magines said...

why do the duggars keep bring up the miscarriage of their last child and posting it. maybe people are tried of them getting attention over the same thing. and it is not necessary to keep doing it.

Bird said...

Once jimbob and Michelle get too old or pass away, really, who is going becoming head of Duggarship? None of them work or have any desire or work ethic, JB included. It's very sad for the last, what 10 kids, what is going to become of them? The grandkids too, since neither Ben or Derrick work, they will need to be taken care of too..

Andrea said...

Lisa Magines agree. The Duggar's appear to be obsessed with fetuses. What Jill posted was beyond creepy, like check yourself into a professional therapy creepy. I don't mean to be callus but remember she wasn't pregnant. I also call into questions the facts as she writes them, namely eye colour.

Meme said...

Andrea where do I find Jill's post?

Andrea said...

Meme: Jill's instagram feed:

https://www.instagram.com/jillmdillard/?hl=en

Date: December 11th, 2016.

Bird said...

Meme, just google, Jill duggar post about jubilee, I totally agree, creepy and sick, but even more pathetic, making your young children bury it, in the gun? Box

Meme said...

Andrea and Bird, thank you. Did ya'll see the pic of Josie? She looks like one neglected child.

Ellie said...

Regarding Jill's instagram post......It is not right to post this photo. It was not right in the beginning for the Duggars to use the death of a fetus to promote their show. I understand some families have photos taken for their private viewing but not to put all over the internet....and now again. I doubt it is possible for Jill to know the eye color as is it even developed at that stage of life? What did they do to see eye color, pry open the eyes? Jill is going crazy with these posts just for attention. Last week she was predicting the end of the world. Also, is it true that Jimbob so cheap to have this fetus buried in a gun box he had hanging around in his storage?? He made lots of money with the fetus funeral, he could have at least had someone quickly build a nice little box. Anyway,I have never heard of anyone having a funeral for a miscarriage so early in gestation. It's all drama, no real feelings.

Andrea said...

Ellie said: "I have never heard of anyone having a funeral for a miscarriage so early in gestation. It's all drama, no real feelings." I couldn't agree more. So very sick and sad. Michelle should have found comfort in the 19 children she did have, not make a spectacle of her family by televising a "funeral."

Heart in Florida said...

Why didn't Michelle have a funeral for little Caleb? Most likely NOT. This one was for the cameras. I'm not taking away the personal disappointment here, but really, flaunt it for the TV show, folks, will you?

Southern Belles said...

So Derick has taken it upon himself to let children know that Santa isn't real. Have to feel sorry for little Israel being saddled with such a fool for a father. If Derick is such a champion of truth maybe he should come clean about the Dillard Family Ministry and how they steal money from naive fans. So tired of this family and their sanctimonious attitudes.

Bird said...

Michelle mourned the pregnancy and the attention that came with it. She didn't seek comfort in her children because she likes babies, up until she gets pregnant again, then discards them. What on earth does Jimbob have on TLC for them to continue filming all this?

lisa magines said...

if michelle is seeking comfort in her children how come the little girls like jenny and jordan are neglect. and I think the child she spend the most time with is josie? but from what i can see she is neglect also unless she already thinks Jana is her mother? guess michelle and to do what ever her husband says even neglect your children.

Picky eater said...

Doesn't the new season start in January? What BIG news will be released to make people want to watch. Joy's engagement? Jinger pregnant? Jill pregnant? Jana courting? There isn't a lot of options left for them to drum up attention.

Henrietta said...

Just saw responses to Dillard's no Santa post. What is wrong with Jill and Dillard? Last week she posts the end of the world is near, last year he said people with depression did not need medical help and now he feels obligated to be a real Scrooge about Santa for kids. All this from scammers who beg for money from others for this supposed ministry that has yet to post anything positive that has been done by them in Central America except maybe Duggar girls singing to women who trekked on foot in the heat and received a bottle of water. I'd like to see how many people show up to hear Dillard do his Gothard preaching, looking like a sickly, dirty caveman when photos of the locals show them to be clean & nicely dressed. I have only seen pics of Dillard talking to children. Are they now finally fluent in Spanish as it seems much of the money donated to them was for Spanish classes and rental of their nice big house. Of course, they could have prepared for missionary work by taking Spanish classes in Arkansas so they would be ready to do whatever they are supposed to do in CA upon arrival and not use up donations on their own support. When Jill married this nice, clean cut college graduate with a job, who would ever guess he would suddenly turn out to be what he is today, a scary looking, know it all, mess of a man scamming the public for donations.

Meme said...

Bird I wish we knew the answer to your question. Sponsors left them alone due to the scandals and now they don't seem to have the fan base. However, if you read other blogs you can still find the rabid supporters who will foam at the mouth when the suggestion is made that Derick and Hill are misusing funds. These diehards will frequently assure the rest of us that these kids are being good stewards and that they will eventually explain everything. Well, that just makes me feel so much better. Personally, I would be mad as h£|| if MY donations were being used for plane tickets and trips. Anyway, some are predicting that this misuse of funds is going to become the next big Duggar scandal. We'll see.

Andrea said...

Could Jill and Derick be inNew York? This photo is dated for today.

https://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/gallery/jill-duggar-and-derick-dillard-in-nyc-photo/

I agree with Henrietta. But I have to disagree with Meme: "If you read other blogs you can still find the rabid supporters who will foam at the mouth when the suggestion is made that Derick and Hill are misusing funds." To which fan blogs are you referring?Honestly, I really haven't read anything positive about the Duggar's in a long time. Every post on their Family site seems to generate many unfortunate but true comments.

KitKath said...

Although everything the Duggars do is bizarre, manipulated, and shady, Jill and Derick are quite possibly the most annoying couple of them all. Really--in what world do missionaries live comfortably in a large house? In what world do they travel back and forth to America every month and have visitors fly down just as often? In Duggar world, that's where. I highly doubt Derick traveled back home from his mission work abroad (when he was sane.) Suddenly it's ok to just make up their own rules and grift away, since they're so special because they're on the ol' TV. Man...just as in the Kardashian family, men who get sucked into the Duggar family sure do get chewed up and spit out, huh?

I've noticed several comments regarding donations; has there been news about it? Have they asked for more?

Ginger said...

I'm not surprised at any no Santa post by Derick. The Duggars have never allowed their children to have Santa in their lives. It's strictly a celebration of Jesus's birthday. I know many people that celebrate Jesus's birthday with their children, but they have Santa too. I have no problem at all with that. As a matter of fact, in my church, after the children have their annual Christmas pageant, they have a huge birthday cake & sing happy birthday to Jesus. So even from the time they are young, they associate Christmas with Christ's birthday. I remember many yrs. ago Josh mentioned once seeing a Santa but there were no details about that. Did he see a Santa on a corner ringing a bell for charity or see one in a store? That was never clarified. The kids always thank their parents for the one gift they receive. Some yrs. ago the Duggar family was in the local Christmas Parade but it was in the "religious section." They had a live donkey & all the kids dressed up as wise men, Mary, the baby Jesus. Jim Bob was supposed to be Joseph & ride the live camel, again another thing they borrowed from a "close friend." However he is scared to death of animals like horses & camels, so he made Joseph ride the camel. They won some type of prize for the best in their particular category. They hadn't been on TV for that many yrs.at that time, but they still had a huge display in their part of the parade. Beside all of the real animas, everyone dressed up in costumes, they had a flatbed truck all lit up with hundreds of lights. The Duggars always win.

Bebe said...

All the comments on their instagrams are from those rabid fans.

Meme said...

Hi Andrea it was on The Stir where there were a few who seemed a little offended about the suggestion that Jill & Derick were misusing funds. I only meant that there were still some diehard supporters, not that they are a majority because I really don't know. I would hope not. I actually posted a comment there (under another name, of course) cause it ticked me off that there are still those who think that it's nobody's business how the Duggars use those donations.

Marla Ann said...

Could the new season be about the poor 8 yr old boy adopted into the family? I wonder how he's surviving in Duggarland, with his own opinions, ideas, hopes and dreams not squashed out of him during blanket training, Gothards style rod beatings & fears of hell. Michelle is not able to deal with her own little girls...how can she handle a little boy who must have problems? I guess Jimbob will go for it in his Gothard's way, a big smile on his face, preaching about hell as he holds the whipping rod over this little boy. Wish TLC would film the real Duggar world, the world that has created these robot children.

Elspeth said...

The Duggars have guardianship over boy. They have not adopted him.

Bubbles said...

Jim Bob doesn't have to have anything on TLC - the viewer numbers is what keeps them on the air. Their numbers are still consistently good, and in the top of TLC shows, I think. When Kate Gosselin's ratings started to fall, they fell rapidly and none of her "specials" have done all that great. But there is a strong fan base for the Duggars.

Someone asked what happens if Jim Bob dies - JOSH would be the head of the family. That's a terrifying thought.

Mindi said...

It seemed that Derick came from a normal home. I wonder if they had Santa? His mom seemed devoted to her sons, so wonder what type of Christmas celebration they had when their Dad was alive?

sandi said...

I hope JB has covertly dethroned Josh as head of the family when he passes.One can only hope

Ashleigh said...

A part of me feels sorry for josh he was only following the example if his parents.

Lynn said...

Jill posted about how wonderful her husband is and a picture of them kissing. Is she trying to convince the naysayers that she is happy in her marriage?

Heart in Florida said...

Mindi, I have a feeling that Derick's childhood was a very normal, stable one. His parents most likely attended church on Sunday, but Derick had a very good upbringing...ie, he attended real school, his family boated on the water, a photo of his father was posted in a motor boat-like craft with a regular man's bathing suit on without a shirt. Derick had Halloween costumes, as there also was a photo of DDD with his father and Derick dressed in a pumpkin costume. Something snapped along the way with this guy. He and Jill aren't well, but no one in this family will ever tell. They post the most stupid things, address the silliest things, but ignore the really big stuff staring at us in plain view...I think that they are bot disappointed in each other and in their marriage in general... Josh and Anna, are also a disaster. Jessa is chugging along, because she hasn't tried to sever herself from the "main house", as she's always there, and her house belongs to Grandma Duggar, etc. Jessa also isn't too concerned about Ben's happiness in the mix. Jinger and Jeremy remain to be seen.

Ashleigh said...

I doubt the so called happiness of their marriage he Derrick is not the man she married I wonder does she regret the marriage and 2 is she happy in ca and third if the world is ending why have a second kid

Meme said...

Heart in Florida, I agree with your assessment of Derick's childhood. I believe that it was very normal. Derick is extremely immature in my opinion. He didn't enjoy having to work at a regular job. He wanted a way out so he found one. Jill just did as she was told and I doubt that her feelings mattered very much to him anyway. Like his father-in-law, Derick is self-centered and loves attention. He and Ben are in a competition to become guru to the masses.

Just Ridiculous said...

Jill didn't have a clue about the man she was marrying. How could she if daddy was the one who picked out the husband? I suppose being Jim Bob's prayer partner is as close to God as you can get, so that was good enough. If you are old enough to marry, you are old enough to have a real engagement during which time you learn a great deal about your future husband. I realize most people put their best foot forward but none of the Duggar girls have any idea of what a normal marriage is. This would be a marriage where you would both be equal. I see now that Jim Bob & Michelle have upped the chaperoning with Joy. They are the only chaperones, there are no longer any younger Duggars doing the chaperoning. Pictures of them all over the internet. Jim Bob & Michelle with Austin & Joy on a double date. You can only guess how that marriage will turn out. I am also wondering now that Derick is married who is Jim Bob's "prayer partner?"

lisa mcgingess said...

i am just wondering when we will be hearing joy will be getting married. could not be too long in coming. thinking Jill and derrick will be hanging around for a while and jill and joy were pretty close so I am guessing anytime soon we will be hearing about this one. and yes I agree with you that Jill and Derrick both have some mental issues. I do not think Jill will be having any more children for a while.

Elspeth said...

Jim Bob doesn't need a prayer partner. Derick was looking for prayer partner's (supporters) for his missionary activities in Nepal.

Just Me said...

I don't know about others but Jim Bob having a prayer partner was the most ridiculous thing I've heard of. If he had a prayer partner we would have been hearing about it for yrs. before Derick came along.

Heart in Florida said...

It's ridiculously obvious to be that they print "Joy will not be breaking any courtship rules". If there "are no" courtship rules, and each couple make up their own rules, what rules are there to break? Such a stupid farce, this courting nonsense is. It hasn't produced one really happy marriage YET that I have seen in this family. We all know there are iron clad rules put in place BY THE PARENTS before these kids even cared about courting.

Gerti said...

Why are they pushing young Joy to get married? She is just a child without much experience in life outside the confines of Duggarland. Of course she is excited about this as it's the first time this neglected girl has individual attention. Could the following scenario happen yet again? TLC to takes courting girl & 6 family members to NYC for a free wedding dress. 1,000 of her closest friends show up at a wedding in the courting boy's campground, an outdoor picnic of hot dogs, Duggar pickles & chips. Then she's put in a car to travel to the TLC prepaid honeymoon destination. Suddenly she's to get in bed with a man she's never been alone with who is now her husband and wondering what "be available" means. Very quickly she learns what available means and becomes obsessed with taking pregnancy tests. TLC needs to come up with new scripts.

lisa mcgingess said...

truthfully if you look at all the duggar marriage I cannot see any of these kids being happy. Derrick and Jill have mental issues. and Jessa and Ben will be having kids left and right and have about 6 or 7 by the time they are 30 with no jobs. still remains to be seen with jinger? and Josh and Anna will we see what happened to them. and Michelle is not happy being a salve to her husband she may look happy but I do not think she is. and she has a bunch of neglected kids. real nice family.

Wheez said...

All this time we thought Josh was hid out at Jinger's wedding ceremony but he was front and center in the second pew behind his mother for most of it. He held his kid up in front of his face or was carefully edited out, as described/shown in the inquisitor article.

Always said...

Gerti, your comments are right on target. The Duggar parents are always saying that they leave the courting rules up to the couple. Well it certainly doesn't look that way. It didn't for Jill & Jessa but Jinger pushed the rules further than Jim Bob & Michelle were happy with, so now Joy is going to be watched every second. She is so immature, it was only weeks ago after her "graduation" from the Duggar Academy, that she said she was planning on taking online Bible courses, for what we don't know & she was going to help with the kids around the house. Now all of sudden she's courting & in the Duggar home maybe one of the boys can stop courting but for the girls that's it, they are rushed to the alter. I've known 19 yr. olds who have married but they haven't spent their entire life under the thumb of daddy & they have dated,really dated i.e. going to the movies alone, going out to eat.They have worked outside the home. I can't even picture Joy working in a convenience store. She is way too young & has had the most sheltered life. You're right, now she courts & is engaged for a brief time & it's off to the marital bed. I honestly think Jim Bob get some kind of sick perversion thinking about his daughters having sex.

Big kite said...

I don't think that the Duggars are nearly as ashamed of Josh's insestuous behavior as they are the public's perception of his insestuous behavior. Remember, Jill and Jessa defended Josh's behavior as adolescent, young boy.

Heart in Florida said...

Big kite: You said it. Yes, that's a fact. Can't agree with you more.

laura said...

Meme oops I realized I posted a comment similar to yours but I have been thinking it for a while.

Is anyone going to care about this cult family whose only goal in life is to have babies and severely restrict and control them in 10 years?
They will fall by the wayside.
Who can relate to them but other weirdos?
The girls run ragged and tattered with a herd of wild animal children in 10 years?
Poor john-david or the other twins in ten years? I simultaneously shudder and pity them.
Jim Bob spouting his snake oil? I'd rather chew my own arm off.
The Forgotten Girls might as well grow up as feral children in a forest.
I do not see bright shiny sparkly future for these clueless country bumpkins.
Someone mentioned michelle just had a bunch of neglected kids. Yes. Neglected in every way.
Someone else asked if they had seen any SOTDRT going on lately.
Perfect excuse-births, marriages, trips, who is teaching the kids? Michele is always away from her precious little ones, what kind of a mother does that?
Incredible that the state of Arkansas does not see the reality of the situation and step in, school wise.
these poor kids, thinking they have an education and choices in life. What the heck do they do all day?
barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, no job, no education, oppressed women, controlled by men and religion.
And jessa hinting about twins? Disgusting, using her innocent baby as a teaser for her boring show everyone makes fun of.
Like the middle ages!! But.... They most likely do not know about the middle ages.
Wild animals they are.

laura said...

One more, can't help myself. Instead of posting pictures of totally unimpressive things like sister time getting our nails done, eating out or awkward looking cringe worthy kissing photos, get out there and help others for the holidays like good Christians(you don't have to be Christian to care about and help others)

Jinger please stop the side face and huge eyeballs with pursed lips. it hurts to look at you.
For petes sake all you do is embarrass yourselves.
Uhg.

Aunt Bea said...

Tell me why Michelle needs a hired, live-in tutor for her children? Didn't they state that their in their belief system, it's the MOTHER who is supposed to teach her own children? So, why is Tabitha Paine needed? Where does she sleep? I can't wrap my head around her sleeping in the girls' dorm with Jana and the little girls. Does anyone know is this is true?

Andrea said...

Jordyn's Happy Birthday video with Michelle was painful to watch. Honestly, she looks sad and uncomfortable. Again, Michelle gushes about what a great "helper" Jordyn is. Michelle you say that about every single one of your daughters. Sad, sad life these children lead. Poor Jordyn, if there is ever going to be dissent amongst the ranks, it's definitely going to be from these younger one.

Stephanie said...

Season 3 is going to back track to Jingers wedding preparations. Nothing new there. They may break into Joys courtship and her future slave work at the work camp her boyfriends parents run. Looks like a life of birthing babies and hard labor to run their business after watching their show. Jana may have the right idea after all. At least Jimbob had plenty of money and they can always get some cult member girls to come in and share their "servants heart" with Michelle Duggar, they have had plenty of girls in and out to help with kids and chores and were probably hoping one of the unemployed sons would take notice. Those boys don't seem too interested in girls or maybe it's just too embarrassing to put your relationships out their but the girls sure have had to do it.

Winter said...

Someone mentioned Jim Bob being scared of horses and camels so made one of hisboys ride it. He is terrified of needles so he made the girls give blood.

So how does he prove he is a man? He thinks keeping his wife pregnant and fathering 19 living kids shows he is a real man.

I have more respect for a man who may have sired much less but who works, who isn't scared of his own shadow, who would take a bullet for any family member and certainly would take a needle to keep one of his kids from having to. He hides behind Michelle's ugly ol skirts. What a pathetic whimpering excuse for a man.

Cat said...

Michelle doesn't have a clue who Jordyn is, any of them really. Jordyn looked like she was forced to stand next to thst 'stranger' of a mother.Michelle has baby syndrome, once those babies get a tooth or she gets pregnant, time to deflate the nursing device they float on under the blanket and are handed over to their new sister-mom and Michelle gets all the attention of being pregnant for the hundredth time. She can remember every birth story, but I bet she cant remember what color eyes they have...

Mindi said...

Re:Gerti's comment about why they are pushing Joy into marriage. This question has the simplest answer anyone can think of :MONEY! The money these episodes will bring in to Jim Bob's bank account & TLC. Her courting, engagement, preparations for the wedding & the wedding. I don't believe those kids get any money from Jim Bob or TLC . What they get is a place to live & possibly their husbands will get a position as Jim Bob's lackey. It's heartbreaking to think that there are agencies that look out for young children but once the are of age, the parents can push them into anything they want to. Who in God's name are these people that think the Duggars really consider their kids as "blessings?" These are not the days of large families living on farms, needing all these children to help with the work. Those boys can't even get themselves off the couch, all he work falls to the girls. Now we see that the Paine girl is helping out in the Duggar household. It seems to me that we have heard the name Paine before. Just another "friend" who is willing to help out with Michelle's kids. I bet she doesn't receive any pay for any work, it's just for the glory of being in the Duggars circle of friends. I realize that the Duggar children have been brainwashed & are really kept in a cult like atmosphere. But you would think that at least one of them would realize that they are entitled to live their lives the way they want to, not the way Jim Bob wants them to. After all, they all know how their mother was raised. She was free to go to school, be a cheerleader, have a circle of friends, dress the way she wanted to. I think it's criminal what the Duggars are doing to their children.

Ashleigh said...

The one mystery I would like to solve is Mary duggar Jim bobs mother. She used to live in the compound and then moved in with her daughter at what point did this decision occur at what point did she say "I have had enough " I just would have loved to be a fly on the wall when this incident happened.

Angela said...

How boring can TLC get with stale news like Jinger's wedding preparations. The wedding is old news. We want to see how she's surviving in her new role available woman to her man. Someone save Joy!!

Willow said...

I was near tears when I saw Michelle's birthday video for Jordyn. As someone mentioned, we have seen exactly this a dozen times or more. It did seem, however, that she was putting more emphasis on Jordyn carrying babies on her hip, at 7 turning 8. Jordyn look mortified. Can't Michelle just say what sweet and smart girls she has. Even the servant's heart thing is better than what good baby sitters they are. It is just so sad. Nothing new or different, but STILL sad. She didn't sit and hold or cuddle her little girl - she stood beside her and kissed her on top of the head.

Andrea said...

Wow . . . Guess Jill and Derick worked extra hard to ensure they didn't have to return to Central America. I don't believe for a minute they'll be back to CA. She can permanently settle into her earned mini-mansion in AR as she wished all along. Wonder when the Dillard's will be removing the Donate button from their website?! Likely never!

Jeanette said...

If I'm late the party with this comment, I apologize. I've just noticed the video of Spurgeon DANCING with headphones. One of the Duggars, perhaps Josiah, speaks knowlegably about the song he's dancing too -it being Charlie Brown Christmas and talking about Linus and Lucy. This shocked me! Maybe they're taking part in the world around them!

Ursula C. said...

"Those boys can't even get themselves off the couch, all he work falls to the girls. Now we see that the Paine girl is helping out in the Duggar household. It seems to me that we have heard the name Paine before. Just another "friend" who is willing to help out with Michelle's kids. I bet she doesn't receive any pay for any work, it's just for the glory of being in the Duggars circle of friends."

Tabitha's brother Chad is married to Erin Bates. She seems to be the "Jana" of the family. Oldest daughter not married yet while several younger siblings already are married.

Olive said...

First of all Michelle had to quiet down the masses so she could talk. Just another birthday of another little girl for them. This was so sad. Jordyn looked indifferent and distant. Not that Jordyn is a wonderful story writer or story teller, not that she loves to draw or play an instrument, not that she is a whiz at math. No one is an individual. Just an homogenized version of all the girls that came before her.

By-the-way said...

Ashleigh I wonder if the reason Mary duggar moved in with her daughter is because she's now divorced? God forbid should any duggar woman live on her own!! I wonder though if Mary took that opportunity to bolt from the compound. She may very well be fed up living with Jim Bob et al, I wonder if Jim Bob is now considered his sister's "headship" ...ewww

Goodie said...

I have a hard time believing that an eight-year-old would want to going to a Mexican restaurant to celebrate her birthday. If I remember correctly, it seems like Joy Anna had a birthday party with a train ride or something at a much older age than Jordyn. I don't believe for a minute that those kids have any sa- so in what they want or do!! So sad.

Winter said...

Talk a out same old stories. Poor ol Jessa hinted that she might be having twins when she was pregnant with Spurgeon and now she is repeating the same hints.

Is would be interesting if Jinger also got pregnant soon and if Joy marries quickly she could be pregnant this year. If Anna let's Josh near her she too could get pregnant.....and if Jessa has #2 in Feb she could have an Irish twin to it before 2017 is over.

Nettie said...

Mary Duggar was being used and abused by Jimbob & Michelle. They did not respect her, stuck her in the laundry room like a servant to do tons of laundry each day created by their useless children who are old enough to run washer & driers to do their own wash. How wonderful Mary can now enjoy life outside of the crazy compound. And as far as home schooling, can't those unemployed boy/men brothers all get together and teach the younger siblings? Seems like they have nothing else to do.

What a Waste said...

I remember Joy's birthday train ride. Michelle was talking on the phone in the car before they arrive at the train station giving an interview. The train ride was definitely for much young children than Joy was at the time, she was at least 12 or older. Michelle's comment on the train ride was, how much the boys enjoyed the ride & the fake train robbers. Jackson was saying he wished he had his play guns & holsters. So that tells you what age it was appropriate for. They then went for ice cream. The ones that went on the train ride had their ice cream & then they brought ice cream home to the others. To me that was not a family birthday party. Half of the kids on the train ride, Michelle giving a radio interview, while she was driving to those two women who write about what a great mother she is all the time, don't remember their names. Then half of them going for ice cream & taking ice cream home to whoever was at home. That would not be considered a birthday party in my home. We at least sit down together for the cake & ice cream & the activity is chosen by the birthday child. It was definitly as if Michelle had over scheduled everything that day & was trying to fit in something that passed for a birthday celebration for Joy. It didn't work Michelle!

So Sad said...

Re:Goodie's comments about Jordyn. I don't think Jordyn would have picked that restaurant either. It seemed more like something those noisy boys would pick. Have you ever seen a sadder little face than that little one? But then again, it's always been that way for Jordyn. She was just learning to walk when they were in Little Rock, while Josie was in the NICU. Of course, since Michelle was spending every minute at the hospital, she didn't see Jordyn take her first steps. Jana was caring for her then. We have never seen her have a birthday party of her own. Not only does she have to share it with her sisters, she has to share it with Josh & Anna's daughter MacKenzie. I remember when they were in Little Rock so many bloggers wrote about how much they would love that beautiful little child. Believe me so many said she wouldn't be wearing tattered clothing & receiving little or no attention if she were their child. I started calling her "The Lost Child" then & I still call her that. What in the world is wrong with Michelle talking about how much Jordyn likes carrying babies on her hip? I've got news or you Michelle, even adults don't like carrying a baby on their hip. Doesn't Michelle realize that this is a dangerous practice for a child that age that still has soft bones? She could end up with all types of orthopedic problems in a few yrs. But of course, I suppose as long as she continues to have a servants heart the family will be happy. I don't know about others but I cried when I watched that video. It truly just breaks my heart to see this beautiful child treated that way. I have to ask the Duggar parents; is this how much you love & value your "Blessings?"

Wonder Why said...

Miracle child, Josie got to go bowling & then out for ice cream at her favorite ice cream spot but Jordyn got to go to a Mexican restaurant. Nothing said about any other activity such as the bowling. They didn't show a birthday cake of ice cream for Jordyn. Wonder why?

Aunt Bea said...

I know of no 8 year old girl who prefers a Mexican restaurant for her birthday. Jordyn seemed so sad and emotionless, as usual. It's a shame this good little girl is emotionally abandoned in this family. I blame her mother for this.

Just Disgusted said...

Re Nettie's comment about the boys getting together to teach the younger ones. It's against the law for older siblings to be the ones doing the homeschooling. Not that many have even graduated from the Duggar Academy yet anyway. I'd be willing to bet they don't know enough to teach anyone & probably cannot even pass a test themselves.

Willow said...

Didn't I read years ago that the Gothard "people" and other like-minded groups discourage too much individuality in their children? i.e., dressing alike, same hobbies, same occupations, etc. I think Michelle is still tuck in that mind-frame. She should look around as many of the followers are easing up on that, especially the ones that REALLY love their children. I see the Bateses as being very different that way. Not different in their horrid belief system, but I suspect they just love their children and can't really help it. They let them seek their own interests (to a point of course!). Their children get individual parties and videos congratulations. They also allow hospital births. I see no reason why the Duggars have to keep describing all their children with the same phrases, right?, but wait, they really DON'T know them. LOL. I must have forgotten. :) Can you see Jim Bob allowing one of his boys to pursue a country music career? He considers himself the "star" of the family and no one else is allowed much achievement. That being said, however, I don't really know if Lawson Bates is allowed to go to Nashville or tour around without sibling chaperones, but I think he did go alone once or twice. The rest of the time you see family members with him. He is allowed to pursue the career - GREAT - but alas, has to have accountability partners with him, so yes, the Bateses still have a long way to go also (IMO). And Lord knows, I have a lot of opinions, so thanks fellow posters for putting up with me. Merry Christmas Sharla and all of you. Blessings for 2017.

Heart in Florida said...

Why hasn't this family commented about Mary Duggar and her where-abouts lately? They comment on everything else, things that ARE no one's business, like their private life relationship as a married couple, ovulation, conception, kissing practices, etc. Why not this?

Winter said...

Talk a out same old stories. Poor ol Jessa hinted that she might be having twins when she was pregnant with Spurgeon and now she is repeating the same hints.

Is would be interesting if Jinger also got pregnant soon and if Joy marries quickly she could be pregnant this year. If Anna let's Josh near her she too could get pregnant.....and if Jessa has #2 in Feb she could have an Irish twin to it before 2017 is over.

Estella said...

Mary Duggar could be guilty by association....living with her divorce daughter and to remain pure, the Duggars no long bother with her. Also, wasn't Jessa teaching the younger children before she got married.....so that was a sibling teacher? About the Mexican Restaurant...maybe Jimbob got the owners to give a free meal in exchange for putting the Mexican restaurant name out there for publicity. That man doesn't listen to anything unless it is FREE or money coming to him. Force Anna to go through a horribly painful childbirth on a toilet for ratings. Any other family would rush her to the hospital when she asked to be permitted to go to a hospital. Same with Jessa. That dramatic ambulance ride eventually gave Jimbob publicity which eventually translates in to cash in his bank account. Stalling a trip to the hospital because he had to eat breakfast while his wife is in painful labor is another example of this cold, cold heart. At lease he took Michelle to the hospital and didn't force her to give birth at home as the girls are doing. Now it's little Joy's turn to earn him money.

Misty Lee said...

Yes, Winter, there could be 5 new grandchildren in 2017 with none of the parents working!! They better keep the money rolling in or they will all be on welfare soon. At least Medicaid allows the women to go to a hospital so they would be better off then they are now. Jimbob holds them all hostage, doling out enough money and living quarters to keep them surviving but nothing for their futures.

Missy said...

Estella Your point about Jim Bob getting the restaurant to give a free meal is well taken, however he wouldn't stop at just one free meal they probably got the entire meal for everyone for free. That's Jim Bob's way!

Estella said...

I agree Misty. I was seeing the entire family eating free. That's the Jimbob way, taking advantage of free meals, free donuts, free Chik Filet sandwiches....the list goes on !!

Wondering Why said...

Re: Jim Bob getting everything for free. I agree, however these home births are really more of the cult like life they live, rather than trying to save any money on a hospital birth. When Anna had her first baby she had been under the care of Dr. Sarver during her pregnancy & when they found out she was out of town when Anna went into labor, it was Josh that decided the "we should try a home birth," Just exactly what part of "we" involved him? I just don't think money has anything to do with any of those girls not going to the hospital for labor & delivery. For God's sake, the highly educated midwife Jill, decided on her own to take castor oil during labor. That's something I haven't heard mentioned in years.

smee said...

Wondering--castor oil is a method used by midwives as a last resort of sorts. My midwife here in New England said it was a last ditch effort before inducing at the hospital. It is a nasty and uncomfortable step but sometimes works. Midwifery is highly regulated in my state and midwife assisted birth is only done under the supervision of a doctor on hospital grounds. Only straightforward births will qualify to proceed with a REAL PROFESSIONAL midwife. A "midwife" like Jill would not be allowed anywhere near a hospital or birth center.

Big kite said...

When is someone going to dedicate significant resources to researching the Duggar scams to get money and their abusive treatment towards their own children? This is a book I would pay for.

I don't know what kind of records could be obtained through Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests, but some digging and interviewing of town locals would surely turn up some juice stuff.

Heart in Florida said...

I read most of Jeremy's sermon that was posted about his beliefs on women wearing pants and drinking alcohol. They certainly do differ than those of the Duggars. The important question for me that comes to mind is: Did he have an opportunity to express these beiefs to Jinger before the wedding when they were courting? Did she already know these things and did she agree with his point of view? Did Daddy Duggar already know this too? What are his thoughts on Jeremy's belief about these things?

Ashleigh said...

The duggar name is a sinking ship I think the name is radio active even in their own circles especially jimbob at the head. I feel he never wanted Jeremy because he is his own man I think he towed the duggar line to get jinger jimbob MUST get these kids married off perfuming babies I mean who wants to marry a duggar boy and why would a duggar boy want to get married when he is single he does nothing and his sister and mother look after them when he is married he has to work to support his wife and base ball team of kids it is a hard life.

Bebe said...

What did the sermon say exactly?

Heart in Florida said...

Bebe, I read part of his sermon that was posted on another site. He says that Jesus didn't come to save us so women can wear pants. He agrees that women should dress modestly, and not dress to attract men. He also said that the bible was clear in it's alcohol consumption (to him). He states that drinking alcohol isn't a sin if you don't impair yourself and keep your wits. Therefore, a modest one or two drinks won't send you to hell.
I wonder what Jinger would think if Jeremy brought a bottle of wine, or whisky in to the house and enjoyed some from time to time while watching a favorite TV program?
I wonder what Jinger would do if he went shopping with her and suggested some nice jeans for her or some nice tailored dress pants MADE FOR WOMEN?

wondering woman said...

Ashleigh, I agree with what you say but isn't there a natural desire for a man to be with a woman? These boys/men are not encouraged to do anything but help out Jimbob with his rental houses. How does Jimbob rationalize this? What are his thoughts on keeping the Duggar name going with more babies if the men are not encouraged to be independent and live alone.
It is amazing that the oldest boy, in his mid 20's still must live in the boy's dormitory though he owns a house. Will this be the case when he is 35 years old. Will they all live together in one big room as they go from 20 to 30 to 40 and beyond to watch each other making sure they remain pure>

KitKath said...

I guarantee we'll see pics of Jinger wearing pants in 2017.

Heart in Florida said...

Bebe: I have to correct myself: Jeremy's sermon stated that Jesus didn't come to save us so women can wear SKIRTS. Sorry for any confusion.

laura said...

Just watched the jinger birthday video from Jeremy. I do not understand this concept. Why can't he just tell her? Who else besides the fsmily really cares to watch his personal(but not really) message to her. What's up with them and videos? Can't they call each other on the phone or skype? Or visit, which they are very good at?
Hey, little hint. The internet is extremely worldly. And you guys act like fools everyday on it.
He most likely IS, but the video do not come off as sincere. Of course she is the most amazing 'woman' he's ever met, she has been trained from birth to do everything ever for him.
He didn't even finish saying 'I love you' before he looked away to turn the camera off.
He's a fake high and mighty poser telling people how to live.
One more little fool in a big pond.
Hope everyone had a great Christmas!

thinking girl said...

Jeremy seems to be false, posting his words about Jinger for the world to see......why?. I doubt Jinger is an amazing woman. She's most likely like a 15 year old girl in her first romantic relationship. What's amazing about her? Is she doing charity work, is she holding down an amazing job, is she actually cooking, is she a fantastic lover? I doubt she is any of those things yet but hopefully she will develop into an amazing woman with time away from the Duggar world and with Jeremy's encouragement. I have a sinking feeling Jeremy is keeping int he public eye because he is working his way to a tv evangelist show. I'd love to see Jinger taking photography classes, wearing nice slacks and sharing a glass of wine with her husband at the end of the day. That would catch the public's eye.

Anonymous said...

I believe that young guys and young women do have a natural desire to be with that special one...It's strange to me, that not only John David and Joe , but Jana, also doesn't seem to have that desire. If they do, they are doing absolutely nothing about it. I understand a bit more for Jana, as she doesn't have the opportunities that are afforded John David and Joe, since they are males, but these two guys are also seemingly doing nothing for female companionship at any cost. Why is that? I believe they have had it beaten out of them as they were the older ones when their parents went "fully Gothard" and therefore bore the brunt of that type of discipline, rules and regulations in their every day life. They were choked in to silence and obedience.

KitKath said...

Exactly. Jeremy is holding the public's attention with some ulterior motive in mind, and a televangelist gig seems likely. Isn't it weird that these Duggar sons-in-law have ended up blogging or otherwise publicly proclaiming something? Amongst other things, they're always bragging about how "amazing" their wives are, as if appearing on a reality show and staying "pure" while claiming to be a Christian makes one "amazing."

We have to remember that anyone willing to get involved with a Duggar is willing to let a lot of publicity and scrutiny into his or her life; not to mention to get involved with a scandalous family with questionable parenting practices. Who in their right mind wants that for themselves? People who want that kind of attention in their lives are attention-seeking people themselves. Not really to be trusted, if you ask me. I don't think they're doing it because the respective Duggar was just so "amazing" that they couldn't help but fall in love. They play along with the stupid video announcements, say what the producers want them to say, etc., and blammo, instant People cover.

These people have such a platform to do real good in this world; it's a shame they squander it.

lisa mcgingess said...

anyone remember when this family was very popular they were making a lot of appearance and I know they were getting paid for it. seems no one wants them to appear anymore guess Josh ruined it all for them. I really wonder if Jim bod is mad at his son for doing all this and the show is off the air and his money train is gone. now he has to get the money from his kids? wonder how that makes him feel and that is why he wants to control them so much?

Missy said...

First let me say that I don't consider John in the group of young men I'm mentioning in the Duggar house, as he at least works some of the time. Otherwise it almost seems that Jim Bob doesn't know what to do with these lazy, uneducated boys, that lay around the house all day. They rise at the crack of noon & do any little jobs the Jim Bob has for that day. Otherwise what is there for them to do? They don't have to wash their clothes, they don't have to make meals, well maybe a sandwich for themselves. Jim Bob knows he can marry off the girls but he's stuck with all these boys who can't do a thing for themselves because their sister have always done whatever needed to be done. I really don't think he knows what to do with these boys.So there they sit on the couch in the living room. I wonder if they expect daddy to find hem a wife too?

Arlene Carter said...

I'm sure Jimbob would be thrilled to find wives for his useless boy/men but then the question is, who would pay for the expenses of the new families? Right now, it seems like he's footing the bills for Jessa & Ben. Doesn't it occur to anyone to encourage Ben get a job to support his wife and children? All he seems to do is take selfies wearing turned around hats & occasionally do some religious internet postings as though he is a great authority on how others should live.Years ago, it really was sweet to watch the family but now it is truly uncomfortable to know these kids have grown up to think they are better then others and have the right to do nothing but know it all preaching such as Dillard's latest words of wisdom about Santa, depression, the end of the world, etc. Instead it would be impressive if they got jobs to support their families without begging for donations. Also, how many more times can they post those crazy photos of drinking with straws out of the same soda with wild eyed looks like it's so daring!!

Londonbridges said...

To Lisa Mcgingess, I respectfully disagree with a comment you made recently. Josh didn't ruin the gravy train for all of them, IMHO. If JimBob and. Michelle had handled the situation properly when Josh was first touching the girls, the out-come would have been different. He needed very specific therapy provided by capable and qualified people. It is an incredibly long process, with many ups and downs. The family, at least JB M would have been part of it.


I am not able to discuss how I know this. A family member has gone through the programme. I live in Canada and am not sure how the laws and treatment plans may differ.

Ainsley said...

Did anyone notice the video on Jessa's twitter? Ben and jess arriving at the Duggar compound to open Christmas presents - only to find everyone asleep and on Duggar time! Not only that, but there were children sleeping on all of the couches. It looked to be mostly older Duggars, but it was hard to tell. Of course none of them were in pajamas - all fully dressed and sleeping wrapped in blankets. Utterly bizarre. Does anyone ever get a night of good sleep around there? No wonder the girls are eager to get married. They can finally move into their own space, and sleep in a bed with proper pajamas on!

Brenda B. said...

In normal families, children bathe, brush their teeth, put on pajamas, snuggle in a comfortable bed and wait for mom & dad to tell the good night and maybe say prayers with them. What's going on at the Duggars? Seems like momma is being available to daddy and the kids are fending for themselves. I thought the girls had to sleep in their locked dorm room to protect themselves from curious brothers.

Meme said...

GREAT post, KitKath! Very insightful.

Missy, can you imagine what the boys do? At least the girls are kept busy with children to watch and food to prepare. Those boys do squat. No television, friends, nothing. I notice that this bunch is big on puzzles. Is this all they do? Granny's parlor puzzles? Even outdoors they seem to be lacking in equipment. They play old-fashioned games (tag or any game that involves chasing someone) and very little else. We know these guys don't do laundry or cook, etc. Does Jimbob get a discount on mass produced jigsaw puzzles???

Big kite said...

I agree that all adult Duggars need to get jobs. Three families are supported by Jim Bob: Josh's, Derrick's, & Ben's. However, a significant amount of the funds may be coming from the tv show, in which case it's not really Jim Bob's money. Derrick has three source of funds: 1) scamming people for CA "work", 2) the TV Show, and 3) part time jobs.

Missy said...

Sorry Ainsley, but you must not have been watching the Duggars for very long, as the kids have always slept wherever they dropped. We have seen the little ones sleeping on the stairs many time & we never see sheets & blankets or pajamas even for the little ones. That has been a subject that has been written about for a few years on this blog. People are always asking why they don't have a regular bedtime routine, i.e. baths, story, into a clean bed with sheets & blankets & early to bed instead of on Duggar time. When Josh was moving to DC & looking at houses he looked at a condo but told the real estate man that it wouldn't work because his kids didn't keep "regular hours." They were all under 3 or 4 at the time. Marcus was a brand new infant with no routine. I never forgot that the kids had no routine. I think most of us would agree that our lives wouldn't function well if our kids didn't have a routine. And I hate hearing about "dggartime" Jana mentioned it at Jinger's wedding.

Aleta Myers said...

I am shocked to read the big Duggar boy/men are hanging around doing jigsaw puzzles. All that time going to waste when they could be working, setting up a business or taking some educational classes. Puzzles are mostly for relaxation after a busy day or for those who are physically unable to do much of anything else. Why are they held captive in Duggarland. What purpose does it serve other then to keep them pure, away from the outside world where "sinners" would "defraud" them if "nike" wasn't screamed quickly enough and God forbid, they would have a sexual thought. Sleeping until all hours on floors & furniture without washing up, not going to school, having no direction in life is a recipe for disaster.

dana Alton said...

Even my pets have a routine!!! They are content knowing when they go for a walk, feed, sleep.

Bird said...

I wonder if they HAD TO HIRE that person to teach the Duggar children, someone did some checking and saw they were not getting any type of education. Sad, those younger Duggars dont have anyone to speak out and try and help them, it's not to late for any of them, they just need an intervention..

Susie said...

John David may have a few chores here and there, but he is a long way from working for a living. He plays at constable and just like the rest of his lazy brothers he is on his own schedule and on his own time. He is a pretender like all of the rest.

Judy said...

Sleeping wherever you drop is what got them all in trouble with sexual assault in the first place. Looks like they still haven't done anything to protect their daughters. I agree that these parents don't care about their girls happiness. They make no effort to build their self-esteem. Should be interesting when one of them finally wakes up, stops drinking the kool-aid and runs.... It will happen some day. Who do you think is the most unhappy? Jinger, Jessa, Jill or Joy?

I think it is a toss up between Jill and Jinger.

Tawny said...

I too, am sick of hearing about that stupid Duggar Time, like they are so special. They are just a bunch of hicks who are filmed so we all canenjoy seeing how weird they are.

Auggie said...

On the Duggar Facebook page we see Jana making bread for Christmas. I thought the bread making jurisdiction had been passed down from Ginger to Joy. I guess now that Joy is courting she's unable to concentrate enough to make bread.

Paris Mueller said...

Just for the heck of it, I googled "Christian jigsaw puzzles", and there are a lot out there. Maybe JB got some free in exchange for a photo of the family doing one. Or, he just got a bunch of them cheap at some auction. Or, the boss in Chicago has proclaimed that jigsaw puzzles are a healthy and joyful recreation.

Paris Mueller said...

There's actually a Duggar Kids Mannequin Challenge video going around... I saw it this morning via a tweet from some Duggar fanblog.

smee said...

Is it just me or are the Duggars becoming the Evangelical Elite who don't work or do anything significant but are honored and dare I say, worshiped by the evangelical peons? The Duggars can do no wrong because they are forgiven" and who are we to judge? Josh can molest his sisters and other guests in his parent's home and yet the worshipers actually are okay with it. The adult kids are acting entitled and are full of ignorant opinions on a broad range of topics including but not limited to religion, politics, childbirth, adoption and child rearing. They even operate in their very own time zone and don't care who they make wait for them including film crews or wedding guests. Arrogant, obnoxious, self absorbed.

Sharla said...

The Duggars may be looked up to by some evangelicals. The ones I know are disgusted by them. However, the Duggars themselves are fundamentalists who also follow the creepy gothard doctrine.

Heart in Florida said...

I agree that pets AND CHILDREN respond well to a daily routine. My boys liked to know what to expect and now we have a little dog, although she's older, is thriving on a daily routine...YES, meal time, potty time and sleep time. These kids will never know what a well run home is like.

Sadly, the Duggars hired another "homeschooled teacher" who was taught at home by her mother. I hope somehow Tabitha Paine received a real home school education, but somehow I doubt it. She was also educated from those inane pamphlets.

everythingieverwanted said...

I work for a healthcare organization and have to do annual required training. I am in the middle of the training regarding reporting of child abuse, neglect etc. and there is so much that ties into the Duggars that is making the alarm bells go off. One thing in particular keeps jumping out at me. There is such a thing as mental injury to a child that is considered abuse and I keep going back to one point. It says "Isolating a child by teaching him to avoid social contact beyond the parent-child relationship". This is mental abuse and it is what the Duggars are doing to their children and it makes me sick. My heart breaks for every single one of those kids because they only know what their sick parents are teaching them. They have NEVER been allowed to have an independent thought or to have influence from people outside of their home. I keep hoping that Jinger is really escaping. That by her actually moving away from her family that she will start to see that the way she was raised is not normal. It makes me sick that Jim Bob picks the spouse for his daughters. Anyone who thinks they have a choice should think again. Also, their outright lies about the kids setting their own courting boundaries. The last time I read my bible, lying was a sin, and that is a baldfaced lie. I am sorry, but now that I've started typing, a lot of thoughts are coming out. It also makes me sick that Jim Bob and Michelle are the ones who chose to have all those children, and yet they are not raising them. Their other kids are and that is not right. We actually had some friends years ago who were very much like the Duggars, right down to the buddy system and having the older kids raise the younger ones. Many of the older kids were very open with the fact that they didn't want children. They resented their parents for making them be the primary caregivers for their younger siblings. That really had an impact on me. My husband and I have four kids and I was always very aware of the fact that it was our choice to have that many and our older kids should not be "punished" for our choice. When my oldest daughter was in high school, she babysat the younger ones during the summer and I paid her exactly what I would have paid a non-family member and I gave her the CHOICE of working for me, or getting a job outside the home if she wanted one. I never wanted her to resent her younger siblings. Again, if you choose to have that many kids, then you should CHOOSE to parent them yourselves. I feel that Jim Bob and Michelle don't truly know what it is like to be a good parent. They do what they dang well please, and yet their older children are chained to the home, being mommy to the younger kids. So not right.....

Paris Mueller said...

I was just checking up on the next ATI conference in Big Sandy, in April 2017. There are quite a number of speakers, some with real jobs (and some, like David Waller, with Gothard jobs). But, JB & Michelle Duggar, and Gil & Kelly Bates are speaking, and their only qualifications stated are being parents of 19 kids each. Steve and Teri Maxwell will be speaking, too, but they're listed as having only 8 kids.

Elizabeth C. said...

Who is the most unhappy? I don't think Jinger fully understands her world yet, could still be in honeymoon phase and life could be easier on her as Jeremy is saying a glass of wine and some nice slacks isn't sending you to hell. I do not think Joy is unhappy yet but she had some individuality and feel she will be strong enough to rebel against having many babies after first experiencing a painful, hellish home birth in the campground at the tender age of 18 with that most controlling step dad in charge of the scene. Jessa is happy, bossing Ben around living near her parents rent free with Jana ready to help out. In my mind, Jill gets the grand prize for the unhappiest Duggar girl. She's pregnant with the threat of a possible Zika baby as the infection stays in the male body for months, sometimes not even showing signs of illness so Derrick doesn't know if he's infected. She is fearful of returning to CA as shown when she freaked out about a noise in the house when all alone....and she should be afraid as a Duggar, kidnapping of this innocent girl/woman, dragging her into the jungle to be gang raped could demand millions in ransom for her safe release. As a side note...would Jimbob empty his precious bank account to save Jill?? Plus Jill must submit joyfully to this husband of hers who no longer looks like the man she married, dirty & scary. If Jimbob first saw Dillard as he is today, it is very doubtful he would give Dillard his precious Jilly muffin to control, impregnate and take to a dangerous spot in the world. I feel Jana is happy in her zoned out world, going through life peacefully doing her chores, secure with no decisions to make, no dangerous births to fear and not having to submit daily to some man daddy picks out.

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