Free Discussion, January, 2017

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Bill said...

I believe the house can be purchased by Jimbob but the deed put in Jason's name with Jimbob as the trustee. So in effect, Jimbob has control over the house.

Willow said...

As much as I dislike Michelle and her goofy shirts, I think she may wear the dark hose and funky shoes because of varicose veins, back problems, etc., due to having so many pregnancies. I wish she would spruce up the rest of her appearance, however. I often wondered if she didn't pick up the babies much because of same reasons. Of course, there are other ways to show those babies and children a little affection.

Elspeth said...

What about the building Jinger bought??
That was Jana.

Wednesday said...

Just a few comments.
1. I'm pretty sure Jimbob is scanning thru most comments and feedback re: the new show.
2. If Jason "bought " a house, legally he'd need a guardian as co-owner. Pretty sure that's Jimbob.
3. Recently the Duggars bought a metal building and had it hauled to the Duggarville compound. A few days ago, photos were posted of John David installing the metal as a privacy or tall security fence. Something must have changed or happened. Possible threat from people wanting to free the children? Threats toward the parents? Intruders? Media/paparazzi getting to close or taking photos with long lenses? Building new homes?? Something to hide?
4. Michelle's mental health is declining. I hope for the sake of her children and family that she seeks help.
5. The fact that Josh and Anna are pretty much in seclusion is concerning because 1. he appears to be doing little to redeem himself 2. it's not healthy to their children 3. it gives the appearance that they're hiding something.

Sharla said...

I'm not putting through comments about the apparently ludicrous gossip about Joy Anna. If something resembling proof not idle gossip shows up, let me know.

Spurs said...

Fixing your children's teeth but denying your wife and daughters medical care is abuse. I am not interested in watching them give birth.

Gini said...

Duggarsbegone comment regarding Jason buying a house. It's absolutely true that you must be 18 to sign a contract. My best friend & her future husband had the down payment necessary, as well as jobs at the bank, where they were applying for a mortgage. Although they had everything they needed to purchase the home, they needed a family member to co-sign because thy were not of age. At that time the age was 21 yrs. old, I'm not sure if that's something that changes from state to state but that's how it was in our state. They were both a couple of months shy of age 21. We laugh about it now that a young couple, worked so hard as teens & were able to save up enough to have a very good down payment & both had jobs at the bank. However the law was the law & their age was standing in the way until a parent co-signed. However their house is their house & not a front for a parent.

Ruby said...

When Jessa's baby arrives let's see if Bin can tell us the the name of the baby in one sentence without pausing between words.

Natasha said...

So do we think Jadson is about to be courting or will this be like JD and after we see a show about the remodel it will be a rental?

Bebe said...

http://www.inquisitr.com/3895935/jinger-duggar-wants-distance-from-spotlight-newly-married-duggar-daughter-reportedly-wants-privacy/

Jinger wants to stay out of the public eye more than her spotlight hogging sisters.
Here's hoping with her staying several states away that her family can influence her less.
Jeremy has a big family in New York that can maybe give her more modern ideas about life instead of the cult mindset.
I see that being better than when everyone thought that Derek's family would help Jill. His mom is quite conservative and his family is tiny in contrast to Jeremy's. His big family has more people to give positive influences to Jinger

Laurie said...

Hopefully Jinger wanting more privacy should be a clue to JB to pull the plug on the show. NOPE, not a chance! Heaven forbid they go out and work in the outside world (aka "real world") like the rest of us.

Katie D. said...

I'm not sure why Jason (who is way too young for property ownership) would buy his own house. We all know the sons can't live elsewhere unless they're married. Case in point, John David who built a house but is still camped out in the boy's room with little Jackson and the other howler monkeys. Maybe he calms them down when they are having nightmares since the "welcoming open door policy" master bedroom and girls' room are locked up for the night. John David is 27 now, I think. Give the poor man some privacy and opportunity for friendships and interactions with other non-Duggar adults.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone heard where Josh & Anna are living? Is he working other then helping Jimbob?
Good for Jinger wanting to distance herself from the Duggars and Jimbob's control. I feel that Jimbob must hold the older children hostage with the TLC money. If they do as he says, money comes their way as does free housing. Right....teeth are an obsession with Jimbob but I think it was done at a great discount because the children were seen going to the dentist, like a advertisement. Probably no OGBYN will give him cut rate childbirth services so it's a do it yourself project for the wonderful girls, to save money for Jimbob. I say Jimbob because obviously he's in control as Ben has no job or money to cover medical insurance and the same goes for Manbun.

Andrea said...

Wednesday wrote: "The fact that Josh and Anna are pretty much in seclusion is concerning because 1. he appears to be doing little to redeem himself 2. it's not healthy to their children"

I totally agree with you. It's actually kind of scary to think about what has become of Anna and their children. Honestly, I wish news would come out that she's left him or at the very least see her and her children on camera just to be sure they're safe and well looked after. Am I correct in remembering she has not appeared in any of the promotional material for counting on? I really worry for her and her children. That said, all she would need to do was lawyer up and she could walk away with a handsome sum of cash thus allowing her to live her life. Anna, if you're reading this, find Arkansas' best family lawyer and get the H#LL out of there!

five eighths said...

Jason, the wiz kid who loves to mug for the camera and explained to the whole world with his cocky grin what a cucumber was and how to cut it with a knife? Yeah, that kid is going places. He has such a bright future.

Elise said...

Anna was shown last season in Counting On. It wasn't as much as earlier seasons. She was a bridesmaid for Jinger. Josh likely has nothing so how would she get a large cash settlement? Parents aren't obliged to pay anything when their children divorce.

lisa mcgingess said...

if joesph bought a house for 30,000 that house is probably a fixer upper and needs tons of work? so i hope daddy is going to be paying for that repair? since his son has no job that we know of? i really would hope the duggars would come out and tell the truth on how these kids get money. we know that real estate business is supporting that whole family?

Heart in Florida said...

The house that Jason "bought" for $33,000 is not a trashed out mess. It had a few bags of stuff scattered around, carpet that needs replacing and some cosmetic updating. We all know that Jason, who is 17, did NOT purchase that house with his own funds, nor could he enter in to any contracts at his age. Grantees on a real estate deed, who are the BUYERS, don't sign the deed...the Grantors, who SELL the property sign the deed over to the new owners. So, I don't know what they are talking about using this term as co-signing is meant when a loan is taken out and this family doesn't believe in debt, cash only purchases for them and Jason can't take out a loan at his age any way. Those headlines mostly mislead in my experience with this family, and Jim Bob only does things that benefit HIM. There's more of a hidden reason that Jason is even mentioned in this transaction. I don't think that Jason even knows why he has been included.

Wondering Why said...

RE:Katie D's comments about John David. John David worked hard for the house he has. He did a great deal of work for the bank & they repaid him with the house. Jim Bob said on camera that he could not live in that house until he was married. As far as John David having privacy, opportunity for friendships & interaction with other non-Duggar adults. Why should he have those opportunities when none of the girls have had those opportunities?

Just Thinking said...

RE:Laurie's comment You don't think Jim Bob cares one iota what any of his children want, privacy, etc.No more show. Jim Bob wants, what Jim Bob wants, & so far he's been successful.

Gini said...

RE:Heart in Florida's comment about the phrase co-sign. I mentioned that because that's what the bank in my state refers to when you are not of age, or you don't have the funds,job with good salary etc. I'm sure other places use other terms but I know that's what banks, car dealerships etc. refer to when you need someone to guarantee your purchase.

Who knows? said...

Zelda, when you say "in here" regarding the weakness Jessa must have, do you mean in her tummy? Of course that's just tongue in cheek quoting Michelle.

Auggie said...

Re Jason buying the house and Jana buying a building, my guess is that this is some type of income tax deduction for Jim Bob 'helping' out with the expense and also for him to have the properties, but not in his own name.
If the 'fixing up' that's required is mostly cosmetic and replacing some windows, JB will load up the Duggar bus with Duggars & have it done in a couple of days. Just 30 mins away from Duggarville, how perfect for another guest house for the next wedding.

laura said...

Wonder why the Jana warehouse and Jason house?
If it really is for tax purposes, goodness, these people know no bounds.
Which child and what type of property is next?
It is very strange given the kids have none of their own money, privacy, thoughts, dreams or gaols to suddenly have property they cannot utilize, i.e. JD and his house he EARNED.
Do they have their own bank accounts and phone bills? Who pays the rent/mortgages on Jill/jessas homes? Etc. Food, gas.
It only seems logical that the kidults would be paid directly by TLC but history shows us the absolute control wielded by dim bulb. To whom fdoes the money go?
Buying a 16 year old a house isn't exactly thrifty. The daughters can only buy thrift store clothing but the sons get houses and airplanes?
Cant see Soft spoken, mild, slavedrone jana going through the motions and negotiations required of a property sale. (Could be wrong, I wasn't there)
Do they ever voice their own desires in life?
John David at 27 years old is not allowed to move out? Not even have his own bedroom? How does he FEEL about this?
The older they get, the more bizzare this family's story becomes.

Heart in Florida said...

I completely agree that Jim Bob is behind the "Jana building" and the "Jason house" purchases. It's all part of an intricate financial "good" for him. I don't think for one moment that Jana has any interest in the real estate world. She has no interests other than tasks in her mother's house and perhaps it's garden. This woman of now 27, has no idea what she hopes for out of her own life. If this purchase was truly hers and she had the money to purchase it herself, when asked how she sees her life in 5 years, she WOULD HAVE MENTIONED SOMETHING about being a real estate entrepreneur...but no, nothing from her. If Jason Duggar has his own bank account with more than $33,000 cash in it I'd be shocked. Didn't these kids earn 2 cents per jurisdiction? No way could he save thousands out of that. Jim Bob is a wheeler dealer.

Duggarsbegone said...

He is not allowed to voice his feelings about that kind of stuff. What Daddy says is law. He may never get to live in his own house.

Miss Meg said...

And the best one of all, "surreal". Always wondered why it's surreal when one of the girls gets married; isn't that their main purpose in life? Maybe they should use the words expected or mandated

Natalie Jervis said...

Could it be that John David will be 50 years old & Jimbob 72, yet still forced to live in the boy's dormitory room, not in his own house if he is not married? What is Jimbob thinking?? I notice those boy/men start to bald after the age of 18, a very superficial observation but that, along with no education or job, isn't making any of them attractive husband possibilities, even for a Gothard girl.

Meme said...

My knowledge of Gothardisms is a little bit lacking. Could someone explain why John David is not allowed to move into the house he earned? Does this have to do with the "umbrella of protection" or something else?

It is interesting to me that in the Southern Baptist Sunday School classes I attended, the umbrella is supposed to represent God's protection. As long as you tried to follow the Bible's teachings, you were protected. (None of these Gothard-created rules and whims applied). It was also emphasized that one had free will and could CHOOSE whether to be a follower. NEVER heard of the two-by-two nonsense, courting, no kissing until marriage, or the evils of dating to name a few. Some of these whims seem to be Gothard's ideas and others apparently come from the Duggar parents. But "no moving outta the house 'til you're married" just blows me away.

Ruby said...

Miss Meg, "surreal" is a new word that Derick taught them. It's the only new word they've learned and used in over a year and it's only ever used in the context of how it feels to meet someone and get married quickly.

No Skittles for me said...

The Duggars paid kids with a Skittle or M&M!!!!!


"When the child is successful, I reward him or her with a Skittle or an M&M, and the whole family cheers when he or she comes out of the restroom, hands washed and ready to receive a treat."

It may just be a single Skittle or one M&M, but it's a reward and everyone who can recite a memorized tidbit--a character-quality definition or a memorized verse-gets one.

And when we finished, she held out her little hand for a Skittle too, of course. Then we had a popcorn round, and Jordyn got to go first. She wasn't really quoting anything, just following Mama's lead, she echoed the first five words of the verse--and got a wild round of applause from her brothers and sisters, as well as another Skittle. (From A Love That Multiplies)


Derick:grew up with only one sibling but says he has enjoyed getting to know his fiance's bustling home.'You have to come in armed with good jokes and I usually have Skittles as well,' he laughs.



Hazel said...

Rewarding with candy works to a certain point but the Duggar kids are all WAY past that age. When I was working with kids at church, I'd give them one jelly bean for saying a verse (technically a section of a verse that is age appropriate for 2&3 yr olds). Different kids react differently to rewards but there are no differences with this family. They are cookie-cutter kids with identical likes/dislikes & interests. No individuality or uniqueness encouraged. I hope Jinger (a.k.a. "G") blossoms under her newfound freedom with Jeremy & his family's influence.

Who knows? said...

I just can't stand Josiah. Talk about a know it all, he has something that he thinks is pertinent to say on everything. He certainly is following in Jim Bob's footsteps. Marjorie got out of that courting/engagement just in time. Jim Bob was about to marry off another son. It's a good thing her parents put their foot down.I assume it was her parents, as none of these girls have a mind of their own.

Arlene Carter said...

It is surreal that the older Duggar adults don't rebel and move out. At what age does the Jimbob control over the adults end? Is he not confident that over the years, the children accepted his teachings of a moral way to live? Obviously not if he fears they will go wild if living on their own in their late 20's and do crazy stuff like getting a job, dating & kissing.

Ruby said...

Who knows? Josiah is hard to watch. He does have a know-it-all smirk on his face. He doesn't seem like he is doing much. Kind of aimless, I think.

PeteysNan1 said...

So Jessa & Ben now think he's a superstar since he got to go on stage to use a squirt gun. That was funny when she said she enjyed her first Hip Hop concert. That girl hasnt seen a real Hip Hop concert, lol. I guess it doesnt take much to excite those two. And Ben...the kid cant form a sentence without it taking him five minutes. Maybe he should get a real job and stop being Mr Jessa.

Ready to gag said...

I can open a jar of pickles, cut up cheese and put it on crackers and boil pasta. I'm a caterer! Oh wait. No I'm not. I don't have a kid with dirty feet sitting on my kitchen counter and I don't toss rigatoni with my bare hands. How gross! Miss Linda the caterer was on par with Sloppy Joe!

Eli said...

I think that being interviewed and filmed about your opinions and thoughts about basically nothing since early childhood warps your views on how important you are. I blame the Duggar parents for Josiah's conceit.

Ruby said...

So, the Duggar adult children were asked in an interview "what kind of cheese would Jinger be?". What? Who asks questions like that? Could it get any more inane or any more useless? What a stupid stupid show. I feel I am losing brain cells contemplating this pathetic family.

coleen said...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4156268/Duggar-tutor-engaged-man-convicted-raping-woman.html

Who thought it was a good idea for a 31yr old to be w/ a 46 yr old anyway?

Carole Lee said...

Here is a small part of the article from dailymail.co.uk that Coleen reported. It is very long story, shocking to say the least and there they are, the WONDERFUL Duggars supporting this relationship with a party in the Duggar home. The man looks old enough to be her father, a shocking story. Since she lives with the Duggars, this man must be welcome & hanging around the house, with all those unsupervised children. How can her family approve of this marriage? This situation calls for a huge NIKE scream.

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The Duggar family has found themselves involved in yet another sex scandal after it was revealed that their live-in tutor is engaged to a man who was convicted of anally penetrating his roommate who worked in a strip club without her consent.

InTouch obtained court documents detailing how Timothy Robertson, 46, was accused of sexual battery while living in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina back in December of 1999.

On the day in question, Robertson walked into a room while a female 'was laying face down on her bed, placed himself on top of her and made penis penetration into her anus without her consent,' according to the arrest warrant in the case

Grandma Wagner said...

What next with these holier then thou Duggars? Where in the world of available men did this tutor find this sexual predator to marry? No wonder Jana stays single if this is what is available to her in her Gothard land. Maybe Josh and this rapist will bond as good friends with much in common. The detailed report on the internet tells the world what the tutor will endure married to this older and very experience guy.

Ruby said...

There is literally a scandal or shockingly inappropriate event almost every month with these people. Now the Duggar tutor is engaged to a man 15 years her senior who has a dubious and scandalous past.

Not a Duggar lover, either said...

Daily Mail http://www.dailymail.co.uk/ushome/index.html, one of my favorite places to go doesn't suck up to the Duggars. Maybe it is because they are in the UK but I check there several times a day for updated info here in the U.S. (And that was the first place I saw it.

Mrs. Jensen said...

I can't believe it but the court records prove it. So many questions swirl through my mind. What is little girl voiced Michelle thinking when she reads the report on this man who is marrying the teacher who lives in their compound? Why did they not council her about this guy? Has the teacher remained "sweet" only to be hitched up with this older pervert? How can Jimbob approve of having a celebration party in their house for them? What next with the Duggars? These hypocrite need to disappear. They are making the Kardashians seem mild. Really, there are no videos of shooting little children, a brother molesting sisters or convicted rapists in the Kardashian family. Plus they care enough about a newborn to get top notch medical care in a hospital. TLC please stop promoting the hypocrite Duggar cult.

Opie said...

These men are so dependent on marriage for constant unprotected sex and control over their women that it doesn't matter who gets hitched as long as they can celebrate.

Matilda W. said...

The Duggars have already let at least one sexual predator (Josh) spend time their kids. What's one more?? I read somewhere online (on FreeJinger, I think) that Tabitha's guy is/was a security guard at the Bible college where several of the Bates kids attend. Erin (Bates) Paine -- married to Tabitha's brother Chad -- graduated from Crown College. How would a man with a criminal past like that get a job guarding/protecting those virginal fundy girls?

Grandma Wagner said...

The Tabitha fiance story gets more bizarre with reports the rapist guy guarded innocent bible college girls. Once a pervert, always a pervert. Just look at Josh. He didn't change, went from molesting sisters to pornography to dating site while married to having sex with a stripper. Seems like Tabitha will have quite a future with this guy, stuck with him with babies, just like Anna.

Aunt Bea said...

The man that Tabitha Paine chooses to marry isn't the Duggars' responsibility or "scandal", really. It's on the Paine family. I'm sure the second that ring was slipped on her finger, she packed up and MOVED OUT of the Duggar house as she is excused of her "jurisdictions" as tutor and has a wedding to plan. I'm surprised at the Paine family. I hope her parents, or at least one of her brothers keeps an eye on her and makes sure she's ok in this marriage and stands up for her if she's not.

Heart in Florida said...

Ok, now I'm confused...Jim Bob worked overtime to insulate and isolate his children from the "heathen population" outside of their Christian bubble. Their own son would certainly have been one of those heathen sinners that they wouldn't have wanted around and now Tabitha Paine's fiance' has a criminal sexual past too? I would think that THESE are the people their children should be protected from and not the vast amount of nice, decent, law abiding citizens that his children would encounter in a school setting, a work setting and a social setting. These fundy groups are a joke.

Grandma Wagner said...

Aunt Bea, The Duggars have involved themselves by having a party for Tabitha and the fiance, in effect, giving their blessings to this marriage of a supposedly innocent Gothard woman and a much older man convicted of rape. This is hypocritical of everything those Duggars stand for.

Marites H. said...

If I were her mom, I'd be VERY worried about Tabitha's wedding night. It seems like these mega-families' daughters are kept in the dark about the process of "sweet fellowship" until the last possible moment. Here she is, this 30-something sweet & virginal SAHD who is about to marry an older guy who seems to like "playing rough" with his bedmate. Like someone else said, I hope she will be living close to someone who can help if needed.

Just my opinion said...

Jim Bob knows full well that any publicity, good or bad will keep the Duaggrs in the limelight, or as Jim Bob so eloquently put it; "I'm going to milk this for all it's worth." I don't think he was just speaking about weddings & grandchildren. Sadly more publicity about a sex offender is not going to hurt Jim Bob a bit. Now when it comes to the girl that's marrying this offender that's another story. Let's face it there is something seriously wrong with anyone who celebrates the engagement of this girl to sex offender

giggi said...

wow, I agree with you Marites H. Tabitha surely has read his police report by now and realizes what will be expected of her on her wedding night and throughout her marriage. So, it's her decision to marry this older man with a very explicit police report on his anal raping of the room mate. If I were her parents, even though she is 30 years old, I'd send him on his way.

saywhat said...

Isn't there another family to compare the Duggars to besides the Kartrashians? They make me wanna hurl, sorry!! There has to be another family, really there has to be...really...lol.

Aunt Bea said...

Re: Grandma Wagner, yes, I do agree with you after all. A party from the Duggar family is giving this couple their support and blessing. Why wasn't the party given from HER parents as customary? I think the Duggars are sticking their noses where it's not their business.

Andrea said...

"Aunt Bea said... The man that Tabitha Paine chooses to marry isn't the Duggars' responsibility or "scandal", really." While I agree with you, how many very bad people do you invite into your life? It's pretty obvious from the photos that the Duggar's threw Tabitha some sort of engagement party. I can say with 100% certainty I know no one who has been accused of any serious crimes. The entire Duggar cult is just weird and wrong and it's not really surprising it attracts men like Timothy Robertson, age 46. Also let's be clear, these girl/women are very, very sheltered. It's not normal for a 46 year old man to marry a women of age 31 with the life experience of a 12 year old. This is what we know to be true about the Duggar daughters so we can assume it is also true for Tabitha: isolation on family compound, limited internet access, no kissing, no alone time, no TV, no going to even the grocery store alone, limited education, limited health care (mental or physical) etc. It feels like these girls are sitting ducks for exploration and abuse.

Spurs said...

None of the Duggar males are ready for marriage. None of the Duggar females are ready for marriage. I bet Jeremy is having a real good time trying to have an adult conversation with his 12 year old bride.

Spurs said...

Jill looks like she hates marriage. Jessa looks tired of her boy toy that can't complete a sentence. Anna is pathetic. Michelle appears wide eyed and hyped and pretending to be happy. The Duggars are a great ad for being single and happy.

Meme said...

So Tabitha Paine is going to marry a pervert and we're all hoping her family will be there for her when it gets bad?! How about someone...ANYONE siting her down and telling her she's crazy for even considering doing this? From what I've read, the guy isn't even acknowledging any wrongdoing. It's not a coincidence that he's working security around a bunch of girls, folks. What a sinister creep. We all remember Anna proclaiming that she knew all about Josh's "mistakes" before they married, but he'd repented, apologized, and otherwise been cured. Now we have Tabitha saying basically the same thing. Wow.

Blah said...

Re: Andrea, Anna will never leave josh. She has been raised to believe that her husband is her "umbrella" of authority over her. From a young age they're all taught that there are levels of authority over you. First God, then the husband, then the mother, and last is the children. The children must obey the mother, who in turn must obey the father. If any of the levels step out of the "umbrella" they exposing themselves and are putting those below them in danger. Additionally, she has been raised to believe that divorce is an absolute no no. Even if your husband is abusive, or molests the children, the most the wife can do is get him put in jail. She must joyfully submit and through that hope that she can teach him. You can read for it yourself here:

http://nogreaterjoy.org/articles/abusive-husband/

The above link is from the Pearls, which is from whom the Duggars have learned blanket training and so forth.

It is so scary that Anna is brainwashed to feel that she must stay for the sake of her children, or her children's children. It is actually the opposite, that staying with Josh is detrimental to her children's well being.

It's not like Anna would have to cut herself off from the Duggars if she divorced had this been a normal situation. Her children are Duggars, they would always be and they would have a loving extended family to be a part of regardless of their dad. But in truth it is not normal. The fact that Anna refuses to get out of her situation is nothing short of Stockholm syndrome being witnessed here because she must remain a wife and a God warrior for the sake of her progeny. It's her battle against the devil that has done this to Joshand she must teach Josh in a supportive manner in order to allow God to win this battle against the devil.

It's flat out scary.

Esther said...

Thankfully many of the families who used to completely follow the Pearls no longer do so. It's an idea of how many of the super fundies think, but can't be taken as exactly what they all follow.

Ruby said...

Spurs, your assessment of the married women-folk is spot on. I love it! Michelle wide-eyed and hyped pretending to be happy. Jessa's boy toy who cant complete a sentence (or figure out what he wants to be when he grows up). Ha! So true. As far as 12 year old Jinger and Babe go, I'm sure there is very little serious communication that happens because Jinger is stunted in every possible way--emotionally, spiritually, mentally, verbally, educationally. The girl has zero life skills. Can she even boil water?

Spurs said...

Agree Jinger and these kidults are stunted in every possible way. I would add that they are stunted sexually as well.

Mindi said...

I was reading an article about when Jim Bob & Michlle went to Texas to meet with Jeremy & his parents, see his apartment, see his church. The article said Jim Bob saw Jinger & Jeremy cuddled close together on the couch with Jeremy's arm around Jinger's shoulder & her head resting on his shoulder & offered these words of wisdom "I don't think they are ready to swap spit yet." This is so offensive to Jeremy,his parents & most of all Jinger. If my dad ever said anything like that I'd be long gone & they wouldn't be seeing me. I know there are good people in AR but Jim Bob is a hick & a hillbilly all rolled into one. What the he#ll is wrong with Michelle. Don't tell me she never rested her head on Jim Bob's shoulder.

Andrea said...

Anyone else find it odd that Duggar's have suddenly become silent on political issue? I think it's safe to say that we've witnessed some serious and likely lasting changes in Washington and yet, radio silences. No pictures of Right to Life marches, no condemnation for the women's march, no glowing endorsement of Prez Trumpet, nothing . . . weird.

Andrea said...

Well, one Dugger has spoken out, Baby Ben enlighten us with a post entitled: "News Media and Biblical Worldview." I'll save you the bait click, it's basically an endorsement of using the bible and JC to form one's political views and not the main stream media. According to Ben all issues can be resolved if only we follow Christ - right.

Elspeth said...

The Duggars may have been little quieter recently about politics, but we did see an endorsement of Trump last fall and Jill and Derick did post from a right to life march.

Pam said...

Sadly, no one will help. Her family will encourage her to stay and be joyfully available.

Grandma Wagner said...

Jimbob is a vile, crude, perverted old man saying "swap spit" and "it's just like Legos". It is none of his business if a 28 year old man kisses his 23 year old daughter.

Matilda said...

Regarding Ben's post, why does that boy think he is qualified to speak on any subject? He has no job, no advanced schooling and no life experiences except going from his momma's house to Jimbob's guest shack until he married Jessa and then off to live in grandma's house. It's about time someone told this lazy boy to pray for a job or at least get out there and do some real charity work. How about volunteering for Habitat for Humanity projects in the area?

Blah said...

Re: Andrea, Anna will never leave josh. She has been raised to believe that her husband is her "umbrella" of authority over her. From a young age they're all taught that there are levels of authority over you. First God, then the husband, then the mother, and last is the children. The children must obey the mother, who in turn must obey the father. If any of the levels step out of the "umbrella" they exposing themselves and are putting those below them in danger. Additionally, she has been raised to believe that divorce is an absolute no no. Even if your husband is abusive, or molests the children, the most the wife can do is get him put in jail. She must joyfully submit and through that hope that she can teach him. You can read for it yourself here:

http://nogreaterjoy.org/articles/abusive-husband/

The above link is from the Pearls, which is from whom the Duggars have learned blanket training and so forth.

It is so scary that Anna is brainwashed to feel that she must stay for the sake of her children, or her children's children. It is actually the opposite, that staying with Josh is detrimental to her children's well being.

It's not like Anna would have to cut herself off from the Duggars if she divorced had this been a normal situation. Her children are Duggars, they would always be and they would have a loving extended family to be a part of regardless of their dad. But in truth it is not normal. The fact that Anna refuses to get out of her situation is nothing short of Stockholm syndrome being witnessed here because she must remain a wife and a God warrior for the sake of her progeny. It's her battle against the devil that has done this to Joshand she must teach Josh in a supportive manner in order to allow God to win this battle against the devil.

It's flat out scary.

Mrs. Jensen said...

Recently I found a Pearl book on raising up a child at a thrift store. I have heard this is the book the DUggars have used to "train up" their children. It is horrifying to read the advocating of physically abusing children, how to whip out any independent thoughts.
It is almost as if the author is speaking about training animals but I wouldn't even treat my dog the way this Pearl person suggests. I can see how the older Duggars are so dragged down by this fearful upbringing. In one chapter, it is suggested the way to potty train a child is to take them outside to the cold garden hose and hose them down after soiling a diaper, making them fear the suffering of the garden hose. Isn't that the cruelest thing to do to a little one??

Aunt Bea said...

Jim Bob treats most people without respect from what I have seen. I agree that his use of "swapping spit" was a terrible thing to say especially while in that company. Jinger sat there like the 12 year old that she is while her father spoke about "grown up things like money, working and housing". Whatever Daddy works out with the other adults was the look on her face. This little kid isn't anywhere near ready to marry. She needed a little receptionist job in a small establishment and to grow up first, much like all of Jim Bob's daughters. ( no disrespect to receptionists out there, but she could build on those skills from there.)
I also suspect that from the very beginning Jim Bob "encouraged" Michelle to break ties with her co-cheerleader friend, Cindy, but somehow Michelle won out on this one back in high school. It's obvious to me that Cindy and Jim Bob don't like each other much and never did.
Yes, Jana IS too meek to speak up for herself at all and she's a grown woman of 27. So sad. If she really doesn't want to marry, EVER, she desperately needs a life outside of this house and have a nice job. Her parents saw that she would not be qualified to any job either, so she's stuck there. If she's resigned to marry "some day", she had better hurry up as she's approaching 30 and she's going to get the "dead wood" that's left much like Tabitha Paine. She most likely will have to settle for a widower with 8 children. How is that better for her? This woman is really trapped. Her parents have caged all of their children, sons included.

Opie said...

If they want us to think they care about others including those that do not follow Gothard they should spend their time building homes for others through Habitat for Humanity. This is how you build your skills and that includes social skills.

Bebe said...

Every kid having cookie cutter personalities, idk if you guys saw some people questioning Jill on instagram about having no goals or ambitions?
As hopeful as it sounds I don't think Anna will be leaving Josh on her own terms. I feel like Josh is bored with her. No question as to why he had gone behind her back and stepped around on her. I think he wants to leave her but he has nothing to fall back on, daddy controls all the money.
Also saw that that one of Anna's sisters is getting married. One of the family members that offered to help Anna leave Josh. They mentioned that their father and or their mother likely won't be involved. Anna was said to reached out for congratulations, but feels that her sister is sinful and dangerous to be around.

Meme said...

Wow, ladies, you are on FIRE this week! Aunt Bea, Mrs. Jensen and Blah: Way to go! Aunt Bea, you really have a handle on this bunch. And to Mindi, don't worry. I consider Jim Bob a hick, too, and I'm 100% Arkansan!

Grandma Wagner, I love what you said about it not being any of JIm Bob's BUSINESS what ADULT man his ADULT daughter is kissing! A-MEN!

Esther, I hope you are right about the vile Pearls. I hope that people have stopped listening to these lunatics! Talk about scary. Just go on YouTube and pull up any one of their videos, guys, but be prepared. The husband is some kind of self-proclaimed expert on child-rearing and his wife is a vigorous head nodder. (Is nodder a word?). Anyway, they are a creepy pair. This is who JIm Bob and Michelle chose to follow regarding child-rearing advice?!! Folks, this is low even for the Duggars. I cannot IMAGINE what the Pearl children have had to endure.

Aunt Bea said...

Meme, I have watched this TV show from the beginning. I remember how things were for them (at least on camera) when it all began. If they were shown a video of themselves back then in the year 2017 they wouldn't recognize themselves. Jim Bob, however, I believe has always been a wheeler-dealer and there are more thoughts going through his head than he lets on. His own mother, Mary Duggar, knew just how to beg Campbell's Soup Company for free cases of soup and their other products for her ever growing son's family. Don't underestimate Grandma Duggar. Jim Bob learned it from somewhere, after all. His father, JL (?) Duggar seemed to be a nice, regular type of person who inherited the family real estate business. I think he didn't take kindly to his son's platitudes and uppity arrogance towards him in the Christianity department. Mary Duggar worked, owned properties along with her husband. She had a normal, TV watching life experience. Her grandchildren, I'm sad to say have been an experimental failure as they are the first generation to adhere to this belief system. Both Jim Bob and Michelle went to a real school, watched TV growing up and enjoyed a healthy social life, that was age appropriate for them. They dated, were alone with each other, kissed, etc..and remained virgins until their wedding day. They, themselves, have proven that IT CAN BE DONE, yet they distrust their own children. This started before the "Josh" incidents.
They make their largest income from television, a medium that they have clearly stated they don't approve of in it's state at this time, and didn't allow it in their own home. How can this family take money from something they don't believe in and that they deem more than likely leads one to sin, I'll never know. This, to me, is the hypocritical philosophy they live by. A myriad of contradiction. They, as "honest Christians with nothing to hide" ( as they have said many times) should be the first ones willing to appear on TV and answer to the very important issues and questions that most of us would like to be cleared up. They never will, because underneath it all, Jim Bob and Michelle are cowards and have the maturity of a 19 year old and a 17 year old, respectively. They certainly hid ONE VERY BIG THING, didn't they?

Meme said...

Thanks again, Aunt Bea. As I was reading your post I kept thinking about all those questions that we all would love to have answered, rather than listening to the worthless, meaningless drivel on the show. It's a shame that the family never appeared on the (cancelled) Oprah show. I don't know if Oprah would have gotten any answers but she dang sure would have "gone there" and asked questions. Dr. Phil confronts as well. I'd KILL to see the Duggar parents put on his hot seat...or on Oprah's. It probably won't happen, at least not right now. Interest in the show has dropped off and there's not been enough recent controversy. Oprah and Phil should have struck during the time of the Megyn Kelley interview. Ah, well. I know that our buddy JB will never stand for a REAL, unplanned interview. Unless the price was right....:)

life of their own.. said...

I never thought about the fact, that Jana's 'pick of the crop' would be horribly narrowing. Especially, when they probably won't consider someone who had been married before. How many decent, good-looking, single men are out there? Jeremy is Jana's age, but he went for Jinger. Is there another Jeremy available? Maybe Jana will consider a younger guy, as Jessa did. I am starting to feel like she is doomed to never experience the affection of a true love. That is sad! She isn't allowed to just date, so she will never get to feel the pleasure of a romantic kiss/embrace. That is just plain robbing the girl of life's most exciting moments.

Spurs said...

If Jana would just go build a house with habitat or flip a house using some subcontractors or work as a real estate agent or something---she would meet some nice people and maybe find her wish for a man with dirt under his nails. Or just say you want to live life as a single and tell everyone to back off.

Starry Night said...

Cousin Amy: http://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/amy-duggar-talks-painful-childhood-on-marriage-boot-camp-w463437

It sort of explains why she was always over-the-top happy and laughing. Bless her heart.

As a matter of a fact... said...

Truly, I wish Jim Bob and Michelle would wake up and reverse the brainwashing they have imposed on those kids. They lived a 'normal' life and so did and still does their relatives. Do they really think all their relatives/extended family are not as worthy as they are because they follow some cult leader's rules? That is a twisted and dangerous way to think. 'Normal' dating, watching good wholesome shows on TV, dancing, not wearing pants, modern christian music, are things they in grain in their kids that are bad/worldly. I wonder what Jim Bob thinks of Ben's influence of music on Jessa?

Andrea said...

Call me old fashion, but if my daughter aired dirty laundry on TV I'd be really annoyed. Wondering how Amy's mom feels about Marriage Bootcamp?! Let's me honest, what we really wants to know from Amy is what the dynamic was like between her parents, grandparents and her Aunt and Uncle. I'll tell you this, between my sisters and I, we are very competitive for our mother's time, we have families of our own and still we fight over who gets Mom's (Grandma) help, time, etc. Honestly, if I was Deanna I'd be annoyed, angry, etc. that my Mother was living at my brother's house and working as a laundress for his jumbo family. Maybe I'm wrong and Deanna really has no ill feelings towards her brother and sister in law, but from the looks of things, Jim Boob and Mullet definitely dominated Grandma Duggars time. Maybe Amy got other things from her Grandparents (ie. private school tuition) which her cousins obviously weren't getting.

Heart in Florida said...

Don't churches provide a home for their pastor to live? Would the home church in San Antonio, or the 50 parishoners cover Jeremy's rent each month? If this is true, in essence, Jinger and Jeremy have a free place to live already. Thank you in advance to someone who knows.

Willow said...

I think Jim Bob is holding Duggar/TLC family money over the heads of the older children. I believe (just my personal opinion) that Jim Bob COULD be demanding an either/or type of situation. If you leave and establish your own life, no more family money or help. I think the older Duggar children (married or otherwise) are too afraid to try it totally on their own. Why can't Derick look at his mother, brother and sister-in-law? Are they any less Christian than he is? No, and deep down, Derick knows this. It could be Jill is standing in his way, but I think he may be lazy as well. Same with Ben. Josh, I feel, could have made it in D.C. if it wasn't for his personal issues. Also, I believe that 100%, Jim Bob will send chaperones to Laredo as much as possible. Just like the Bateses, the married children, even the ones who live far away, do major baby-sitting for siblings. Anything to keep them from having "alone" or "reflective" time. Control freak parents. These Gothard-cult people are just so sick, IMO (I know, lol, that is not news, ha).

Cousin Jeannie said...

Cousin Amy is a cruel person to speak against her parents for all the world to see. This girl will do anything (but work) for money. If I were here mother, I would be hurt and have difficulty associating with her anymore.

Jan Lincoln said...

I don't think Jimbob will be sending chaperones to Laredo very long because it's obvious Jeremy has a long range plan to have a tv ministry so he can enjoy the donations rolling directly to him, sort of like the new Tammy & Jim Baker show. I feel this plan was in motion when he suddenly became a preacher, went on missionary trips where the Duggar girls were going, arranged to become little Benboy's friend (such and unlikely friendship) in order to infiltrate the Duggar world and marry either Jana or Jinger. He could care less if the kids decorate his apartment as it is only a temporary stop in his scheme and gives him more publicity. Jimbob has met his match with Jeremy.

About Sierra Jo Dominguez said...

Wow, just wow!

Sierra tells why she looks older. This explains soooo much and makes me feel so sorry for her.

http://dojosdesigns.blogspot.com/2017/01/finding-joy-in-season-of-loneliness.html

Abby D. said...

Amy praised her mom for how hard she worked to raise her.

Ramanda said...

Re: Spurs...Jana can't just go and be a real estate agent. How would she go to school for her license or sit in a real estate office or drive around showing property to clients with her young accountability sibling next to her at all times, ready to report back to Jimbob? How insane that perhaps a 9 year old child would spy on her each and every day at work. Jimbob has fixed it so none of the adults can escape the compound. Even the boys are stuck there, never growing, never learning, never experience life. He maybe thinking that keeping them single is better then the expense of supporting a married boy with kids. We know he's cheap.

Spurs said...

Didn't I hear where one of the boys (Josiah I think) was in training for his Real Estate license?

Aunt Bea said...

Derick needs to take off his cowboy "play hat" and put on his big boy underwear. Get thee to a real specialist, MD, and get yourself a real J.O.B. They aren't going anywhere "overseas" or anywhere out of Arkansas. I wish they'd quit pretending that they're still missionaries and returning to the "mission field".

Spurs said...

Joy and her accountability buddy Jed got off the compound for at least a day and are pages or interns at AK House of Reps.

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