Joseph and Kendra are Officially a Couple and now Engaged.

The courting was announced.

Update:  Joe proposed at Joy Anna and Austin's wedding reception.  Possibly a new low for the Duggars.

132 comments:

Auggie said...

Someone on this blog called it. Kendra seems to use the same Duggar speak. She's excited about entering this season of her life. Apparently there are rumours about her sister and another Duggar. Hopefully those guys will get out and leave Jana with less work!!!

Julie said...

Is it acceptable for courting/engaged couples to chaperone each other? Just wondering. That would be so much better than getting engaged in front of your 9 and 11 year old sisters.

Angela said...

Well now we have a male Duggar in a courtship!!

Very Interesting!!

What are her parents thinking?

Joseph seems to be nice and not too Duggary if you know what I mean.

Vilente said...

Just watched the announcement video. Wow, she seems a young 18 saying she can't wait for side hugs & using the telephone. How risque that will be!! Hope she realized that within 18 months, she will be birthing a Duggar baby, hopefully not at home like they forced Anna to do. Wonder if her parents quizzed Joseph about how he will support Kendra, does he have medical insurance, a job and plans for the future.

They're Crazy said...

Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong but didn't we just hear from Joseph's own mouth that he wasn't interested in courting at this time? This may not be verbatim but certainly the general idea. It was around the time they announced Joy was courting. This entire family is insane.

My Opinion said...

Just weeks ago, when Joy was courting/engaged, Joseph was saying in a talking head segment that he had no intention of becoming involved in at courtship anytime soon. Then in the announcement thy say they have been best friend for 6 months & she already has a promise ring. All these lies will continue for as long as viewers continue to tune in. I sincerely hope some of these marriages will turn of to be happy& probably a couple will. However a number of these Duggars will live very loveless & unhappy marriages thanks to Jim Bob. He is wheeling & dealing in his children's lives for a few pieces of gold. Doesn't he ever get to the part in the Bible where Jesus threw the men out of the temple due to the pieces of gold?

Ashleigh said...

From what I have gathered so far her family are close friends of the Duggar I think jimbob learned his lesson when it comes to Jeremy he Jeremy is a man not a wimp to be bossed around my only real question is this is Joseph her Lord and Master or jimbob.

Paris Mueller said...

And, what does Joseph do for a living, again?

Aunt Bea said...

Just my opinion based on this promo video from Joe and Kendra, but they both seem like 14 year olds who have their first date to the 8th grade dance....not a 'couple' who will get married. Why do they rush these inexperienced children so?

Paula Reed said...

She certainly has that worshiping look down pat. Along with the shirt-over-shirt wardrobe and the too-much makeup. And, she already has a baby-voice, too. She should fit right in.

Ruby said...

"Side hugs", "season of life", "so excited to do ministry stuff together", matching shirts, staring at each other while the other speaks--ugh. Those two are Jim Bob and Michelle mini-me's.

coleen said...

People interview: http://people.com/tv/joseph-duggar-officially-courting-kendra-caldwell/

the TLC video: http://www.tlc.com/tlcme/joseph-duggar-is-courting-meet-his-special-someone/

I agree with Ashleigh. I think there will be more control over future courtships.
And Joseph's girl sounds like a Duggar sister!

Jennifer said...

I noticed Joy said "go horse riding" as their date, of course chaperoned by 2 of her siblings.I know I'm being picky but isn't it "horseback riding"? Both Joy and Kendra appear to be like middle school girls with their first boyfriends. How cruel to rush them into marriages and babies so early. Why? Also, what does Joseph do for a living that will allow him to support a wife, a home, medical coverage and of course, as many children as God will give them?

Cheryl Vetter said...

I am not familiar with Kendra at all, but if she is as Duggar-like as these posts suggest, then I would imagine her family to be similar. Did Joseph have to fill out paper work like JimBob did for this daughters future husbands? How did he answer the questions about supporting and providing for his family? I think the boys are all 'good' boys, but with no concrete future income source, what family would want to give their daughter away into this? Again, Joseph is a nice, sweet boy.... but what can he offer? Will all 19 kids and spouses live on the compound supported by daddy dearest?

Honestly said...

Probably Jim Bob, unfortunately. I don't think Joseph was raised to be a man. I only see a manly spark in Jeremiah at this point. Not sure why, but I get a vibe of confidence I don't see in the other boys in him.

Even though, Jeremy's profession is not that impressive imo, I love the tension I feel between him and Jim Bob. Glad Jinger found a guy she loves to marry at least. She seemed so much more relaxed, freed and honest on her honeymoon! Also, so glad there is finally a male on the show with some style!

LIz J said...

The boys are marrying girls like their sisters....first Josh to Anna and now this Kendra girl who seems so sheltered, so excited about a side hug. How can this child go from side hugs to honeymoon sex on her wedding day? It's all weird. The excitement Joy shows about holding hands with Austin is sad. People hold hands all the time. It is not sexual, like hugging is not always sexual. These perverted parents even side hug their own children. Of course, Jimbob has no problem dry humping old Michelle in the presence of his children & strangers at a miniature golf place. Hypocrite parents have emotionally messed up their children. I think Jana doesn't really want to be a wife and have those painful home births she has been forced to witness. She's probably in her own little world, each day safe and the same, remaining pure .

Captain Crunch said...

So they can start pumping out little Gothard clones to fortify the cult.

Aimee said...

Oh that poor girl! She seems nice enough and sweet enough but good heavens! What kind of parents would agree for her to enter such a serious relationship after seeing how quickly the Duggars have moved the rest through courting/engagement/marriage/babies?! At they very least, they should have said "no" to allowing it all to be filmed. Everyone tries to be on their best behavior at the beginning of a relationship plus on camera - they will be complete strangers when they marry next fall.

CherylV said...

Aimee, I think you mean, "they will be complete strangers when they marry THIS fall" :)

Hello said...

I am sure Kendra and her family are just like the Duggars. I also wonder if Joseph had to fill out the 50 page test, or if Jboob didn't think it was necessary because after all she will be marrying into the wonderful Duggar family. I would like to know how he is going to be able to support a wife and all the kids they will be expected to have. Seems like Jboo. Is trying to get as many kids as he can married off while TLC will pay for the weddings with hundreds of guests and a honeymoon.
I do agree that all the kids that start courting act like young teenagers with their first crush, even though they know that that will be the person they are expected to marry. It's a shame the kids don't have the opportunity to get to know someone without someone listening to every conversation and having a chaperone with them everywhere they go. The first time they will be alone is on their wedding night in a bed. With the limited advice they get from their parents it has to be terrifying. Jboob says it is like leggos. Mullet tells the girls that anyone can make their husband a sandwich, but they are the only one who can give him hey hey hey time.

Just Me said...

RE:Auggie's comment about the boys getting out & leaving Jana with less work. That may be true for a brief period of time but if they live close who's going to help out with all the little Duggars to come? It won't be Michelle as she didn't take care of her own kids. Jessa already has 2 & will not have time or be inclined to help. Jill will be off somewhere doing missionary work & pleading for help. Jinger will be in Texas. In my book that leaves Jana to work harder & take up the slack, & help out any brothers, sisters-in-laws & sisters. After all she has a heart to serve & help her family members, according to Michelle.

Chela said...

So I did hear correctly--she's excited about side-hugs. It is just sickening how they are trying to keep the show going!

dinda said...

The poor child might not even know the facts of life if she's excited about side hugs.

Ginger said...

Amiee, anyone who lets their daughter get involved with the Duggar boys is looking for the attention & publicity that comes along with the deal. They don't care if it' filmed & they don't care if it's scripted. They want in with the Dugars & it's not for the happiness of their daughter. We are already hearing about what good friends the two families are. You don't think Joseph is going to go off on his own & get a job & home to live in do you? That will all be left up to Jim Bob. They will remain under Jim Bob's patriarchy. Jim Bob is the supreme authority & everyone knows it. I feel badly for all of the kids, as it's only getting worse

Auggie said...

I believe in the video, exposing Gothard, the Duggars were described as the 'Poster Family'. I'm sure to Gothardites, the Duggars are like rock stars. Sadly, having your child marry one would be, I'm sure seen as, a step closer to heaven.

Natasha said...

I did a little cyber digging, and if the Duggars, Caldwells, and Forsyths are all attending the church Kendra's father pastors, it has to be a very tight fit to get them all in the building. They must be the only people in the church because that place is quite small. Here is a link to the church website http://www.visitlighthousebaptistchurch.com/our-pastor/. I did a google maps search which will show you street view of the building. Of note, it's about 25 minutes from the Duggar compound. The Forsyth family camp https://www.fortrock.org/ which already has Joy in photos on their homepage is an hour away. These people must really like that church. Based on the size of the church, I can understand why their is intermarriage. There likely isn't much choice.

Pam said...

The photos taken off the interior of the church show a reasonably sized small church.

Ruby said...

Another super awkward video of Michelle with the messy mop of hair and rumpled old blouse with poor sad Jana wishing one of the couples happiness. Actually, it is just a way to stay in the public eye when there is clearly nothing to talk about. Michelle is such an attention hog. Why isn't she taking care of her house and her many children still at home and in need of consistent and quality education but instead they have a distant, distracted and tired mother making irrelevant and useless congratulatory videos to folks who live in the same house, yet she has to wish them well to the whole world. So moronic.

Maria H said...

I noticed that on the church's webpage that they only accept the KJV bible. On Jeremy's FB, he quotes the more modern version.

Just Ridiculous said...

Re: My Opinion's comment about Joseph saying he had no intention of becoming involved in a courtship. I saw that too & it was only shown recently. I know how they move all their filming around, however this was after they showed Jinger's wedding, when they were going on about how wonderful it was that Joy was getting engaged. I don't know where that puts them time wise but Joseph absolutely did say he was not going to become involved in a courtship, it was something he wasn't at all interested in. Lucky girl Kendra, going to marry someone who wasn't even interested in courting. I guess that was until Jim Bob changed his mind for him.

Christine said...

I like Joseph. He strikes me a humble, hard-working kid who avoids the spotlight. I feel sorry for him being dragged into the spotlight now with his courtship. I'm getting the sense that JimBob picked Kendra for him because Joy was getting married off and they needed something to keep the show going.

It's interesting that the Duggar kids are having such short courtships. Jessa and Jill had relatively long courtships. Jinger went from meeting to marrying Jeremy within months. Now Joy's courtship was announced in December and she's probably marrying in April, based off the calendar at the Forsyth's camp. Why a change to such short courtships? Is JimBob worried that viewers will get bored if it takes a Duggar kid a year to go through engagement? Are the kids that desperate to get out of the Duggar compound? Maybe JimBob is worried that if the courting couple is courting for too long, the chance of something happening (maybe another Josh scandal) and them calling it quits, as Marjorie and Josiah did when one of the Josh scandals broke, increases.

Heart in Florida said...

This family announces courtships when in real time, the couple is engaged. They play with time here heavily. Yes, Joe did say, that he didn't feel called to courtship of anything like that at 'this' time...Joy was engaged at Christmas, so that segment with Joe was filmed late December 2016...Kendra's been hanging around at least since Jinger's wedding prep, so here we are in the first part of March and Joe's 'announcing' a courthip? I'd bet they're engaged already. Perhaps, YES, the April wedding at the Camp could be for Joe and Kendra.
I also believe that this family announces things when they aren't on the air so as not to lose interest in them, thus keeping their show 'on' for another season for us to see how this played out. Very clever....and yes, they're NOT a TV family...right.

Just Me said...

I thought the wedding at the camp was for Joy & Austin considering it's his families camp?

Wheez said...

Wonder if kendra had to fill out a questionnaire...and if so, what ridiculous Qs she was asked.

Heart in Florida said...

BTW, I like Joseph too. He seems like a sweet mild mannered guy. I'm sorry he has the parents he has. They have done him no favors either in life. I hope the guy is happy, really happy with his 'child bride', Kendra.

Heart in Florida said...

I also think that since these families are intermarrying; Caldwells, Duggars and Forsyths that Joe and Kendra's wedding could be at the Camp. Keep the money between the families, you know.

PeteysNan1 said...

I watched this video of the courting announcement and as soon as this girl opened her mouth i said to myself, hes marrying his mother because she sounds just like her...lol. Someone said they reminded them of two 14 year olds and i get the same impression. It's just never ending with these people. What will they do when they run out of kids to marry off to keep the show going!?!

Chela said...

Ah, once the kids are married off...Jboob will have all his grandkids to pawn off for the money. According to proDuggar sites, there are still plenty of fans.

Josie said...

It's like nails on a chalk board to me when I hear/read them saying "I'm marrying my best friend!!!" NO. YOU'RE. NOT! Seriousely, a best friend is a confidant, the person you tell things to that you can't talk to anyone else about. It is absolutely impossible to confide in someone you have NEVER been alone with!

I'm sure after marriage, they can develop something akin to a friendship, once they are alone together and can have meaningful conversations. But before that, they are merely acquaintances, people who run in similar circles.

And ou know what? It's OK to admit that you're not BFFs! I wouldn't even have such a huge problem with the way they do things if they were just honest about it. Just admit, it's an arranged marriage. If it's something you feel is right, why not defend it instead of lying about it?

Hallie said...

I doubt they have ever been allowed to have a best friend. Weren't Jessa and Jinger best sisters?

Stephanie said...

Way back in one of the first specials when Jimbob and his kids were building their house, he talked about the huge property and he did say something about a dream of theirs was to have the kids (or at least some) build their own homes on the property. Why haven't they done that? They have the money, they spend a ton of time together anyway. josh and Anna would have enough cash to build a decent house, Jess's is working on the TV show and getting magazine money, and they don't seem to be moving away. Joseph will have to make a home probably around the Duggar area. I wonder why after all these years none of the kids have even mentioned building on the property? I guess Jimbob backed out of that offer at some point.

Wondeing said...

For two people who were definitely not going to be involved in the show :"Counting On." Both Jim Bob & Michelle have both have had their oar's in the water, with all the videos congratulating the latest Duggars on their accomplishment. It doesn't matter if it's a new baby, someone courting, someone engaged, wedding plans. They are right in there. It does seem that they are not telling us anymore about how this is not a TV show it's a ministry. We don't hear that much about how we should be living the Godly, Christian life they live. I must say either they, or their PR people need to be congratulated about the way they have swept Josh's scandal under the rug, even if it meant ruining the lives of other young Duggars. I can see the planning now. How can we interest the viewers in our family again? Well we can show that courting is still a good thing for a young couple, a short engagement is the way to go, then all the wedding preparations,& the babies that always follow.
Joy is a little young but she's not really doing anything else, so we could start her courting. Obviously there are young men & women who would like to be a part of our family. It is strange that although Joseph does work hard, he works with John David, a really hard worker, who already owns his own home but can't live in it because he's not married. Why isn't he the next Duggar "man" to stat a courtship & engagement?

Arkie said...

... a dream of theirs was to have the kids (or at least some) build their own homes on the property. Why haven't they done that?

Because it's way cheaper and easier to acquire old houses in the area and fix them up. JB's got free labor for all the grunt work, after all. Building a house, even in the Springdale area, is much more expensive than flipping an existing house. Plus, he can always sell off the house, or rent it out. Unlikely anyone would PAY to live next door to JB and Michelle. Well, maybe some of their rabid fans might...

dana Alton said...

Amazing John David cannot live in his own house until married. What if he doesn't get married. Will he eventually be a 50 year old man living in the dormitory with 70 year old Jimbob sending grandchildren out to chaperone him? At what age does this insanity end for the kid/dults? some people in the world do not get married......then what?

Aunt Bea said...

"Wondering": The audience likes being preached to even less. What does that tell you that the boring content of this dying TV program is even better than that. How many times can we be told why it's "better" to wear a skirt.

Willow said...

I wish Joe and Kendra would do a little social media so we could get to know them a little better. I do understand, however, if they prefer their privacy.

Also Me said...

I believe the reason we don't know more about Joe & Kendra is because Jim Bob & her father are running the show. They don't know what to say in an interview of any sort. At this point in time they don't know anything about each others hopes, dreams, wishes, etc. for their lives. They are watched so closely, & everything is monitored by Jim Bob & probably her father too. They can't let us learn anything about themselves because they are barely friends. They won't know anything about each other until after the wedding.

Danielle Pate said...

Some unreliable sources say Kendra is pregnant

Sharla said...

You or your sources missed the April Fool at the end of the story.

Mickey2942 said...

I wonder when Jana and John David will have to go "Courting", odd that a younger brother is married off first.

Willow said...

Mickey2942: I think Jana and John David are the hardest workers and Jim Bob needs them too much to let them go now. Of course we will probably never know for sure, but that is the way it seems to me. As always, lol, it boggles the mind.

Marites H. said...

Maybe this couple will "rent" John-David's house, which would probably mean giving money to JB & Michelle, not John-David. Even at 27 (I think) John-David is not permitted to move out of his parents' home without getting a broodmare/doormat Stepford wife assigned to him first.

Duggarsbegone said...

You are correct. None of the kids are permitted to move out until they marry. What is wrong with this family?

Willow said...

I predict that at least ONE of the Duggar children (probably one of the girls) will be required to move their own family into the compound house to take care of Jim Bob and Michelle as they age.

Sabrina W said...

Willow......Jana is being saved for the purpose. She will be 50 years old, caring for aging parents.

laura said...

Sabrina, just imagine how much .Ore time Jana will have without all the kids there, oh wait, there will be dozens of grandchildren by that time, and how much more demanding and inconsiderate mullet and dim blab will be as geriatrics. Jana will NEVER have freedom or a life. What is happening to her is SO WRONG.

Opie said...

I predict that this courtship will end without an engagement.

Frannie D. said...

I'm not seeing much about Joe & Kendra's courtship. They seemed boring, she like a little girl spouting off a few standard Duggar sort of sentences in the "wonderful" announcement.
What are they doing, dragging along little accountability partners to Chikfillet &ice cream dates?

g said...

I don't see any photos of them doing those wild and crazy things.....drinking an ice cream soda with 2 straws while being watched by their accountability siblings or an exciting "double date" with Jimbob & Michelle, kissing each other in front of the pure couple.

everythingieverwanted said...

I wonder if the reason we're not seeing many pictures etc. of Joseph and Kendra is because that's the way they want it. I get the distinct impression that there are some of the older kids that don't want their lives plastered all over television and the tabloids. He possibly could be one of them.

Lizzie said...

Maybe Kendra or her family don't think it's a good idea to be too public.

By the Way said...

I believe that possibly Joseph doesn't want his face plastered all over magazines & various social media. However, Kendra is a different story. I believe that's exactly why she is marrying into the Duggar family in the first place. She seemed very outgoing & I think would enjoy any fame that came to her as a member of the Duggar family. Anyone marrying into that family has an agenda.

Tori said...

I feel badly for Joy in all of this. These girls spend their lives sharing, sharing clothes, sharing a bedroom with ALL their sisters and sharing the childcare/raising of their siblings that their parents don't do. Now Joy
has to share her one special day with her brother. This whole engagement charade has Jimbob and TLC written all over it, hoping to boost ratings for the new show and save the expense of filming a proposal episode. I think they know a wedding of a duggar boy will not be as interesting to the fans as one of the girls getting married. The fans want see the wedding prep and dress shopping but this will not involve the Duggars this time. There is also the tricky little matter of Kendras fathers 'there is no such thing as gay people' leaflets. TLC are I am sure are well aware of the controversy this caused when it first came out, and cannot give this man air time, it would finish the show off for good. They already have enough problems figuring out new ways to hide big ole Joshy boy, as he gets bigger its gona get harder to find a toddler big enough to block him from view.

Aunt Bea said...

That announcement they made was the most painful announcement yet. Doesn't Joe know if he is engaged or not? He stumbled through that one. Neither one of them has any idea about what life is about, let alone what married life is. They are even more immature than Joy and Austin. I feel badly for Joe, he looks like a nice boy and Kendra looks as innocent as the driven snow. Joe proposed to her on Joy's wedding day because Jim Bob told him to.

Chela said...

They couldn't wait ONE DAY for the proposal & let Joy have HER OWN DAY??? How pathetic.

Christine said...

I'm horrified that Joseph proposed to Kendra at his sister's wedding reception. He couldn't let her have the spotlight during her own wedding!?!? It also seems odd, since Joseph isn't generally an attention seeker. Maybe he's changed? I can't imagine even JimBob being so horrid to his children to pressure Joseph into doing that, especially since it would probably make them less money. TLC only has to film one episode for both the wedding and proposal now, instead of two separate episodes.

Josie said...

I just got around to watching the courtship video and something really stood out to me. She was staring at him (like a good Gathardite girl should), but you can tell it was forced. You could tell she kept starting to look away and then seemed to remember she needed to keep looking a him while he spoke. The whole thing was painful. I'm sure they like each other, but it seems more in the way that 13 year olds like eachother.

zebracrossing said...

I heard somewhere that at Derek Dillard's brother's wedding or wedding reception there was a wedding proposal. Dan's new wife's brother proposed (with permission). I just don't think the Duggars are original....I think they got the idea from this. AND I agree....Jb heard about it and ran with it....poor Joy, poor Austin, poor Joe, poor Kendra...

sounds desperate to me.

Opie said...

Joseph is just a lazy kid. He doesn't have the smarts to plan a creative proposal of his own so he took the easy, lazy way out and asked her at his sister's wedding reception. I say Run Kendra Run. If he loved you, he would have enjoyed planning for the big moment of the proposal. He would have insisted on giving YOU a special moment. He caved. Run!

lilwbprincess said...

He totally stole Joy's thunder. They come from a gigantic family and she deserved to have that be her own special moment. That's messed up and selfish.

Gerti said...

I'm not getting the feeling of attraction between these two. How can they suddenly fall head over heels with the first boy or girl they talk to outside of the family??

laura said...

Anyone who thinks Joseph duggar did any of this on his own, of his own volition is kinda.... Out there.
These events are all the machinations of a narcissistic egomaniac.
Joseph and kendra have dead energy.
It is not a real or true relationship or attraction.
The language they use about each other is strange. Ingenuine. Impersonal. Regugitated.
She is her father's pawn. She is being tricked into the idea she will live happily ever after with.... A child with the personality and ambition of a turnip.
The duggar children's personalities are the result of extreme parental engineering.
It is very sad to watch them being herded about like cattle.
It will never change.

Mimi said...

Re:Opies comments about Joseph caving & announcing the engagement at Joy's wedding. I am in my seventies & have been to my fair share of weddings. Everything from small country wedding, to the most ostentatious one. Never have I seen a family member or friend of the family, announce their engagement at someone else's wedding. Jim Bob & his PR team have been working overtime on this. He is desperate to keep the show going. I've got new for you Jim Bob, the public except for a small percentage of your devoted fans, are through with the Duggars. Watching these kids/young adult thrown onto an auction block, courting immediately, engagement wedding,then babies, is old news & people are more than tired of it. You have ruined the wedding day of Jinger & Joy, by bringing in another daughter or son to make their special announcement of their engagement. So if fact, it ruins the day for both couples. Jim Bob is no loving, caring father, he is a diabolic person who neither loves or cares about anything except money. I hope someday he comes across the passage in the Bible where Jesus threw the money changers out of the Temple.

Emma said...

For those who don't think the engagement stole Joys thunder just look at the comments here. There is presently more than double the number of comments under this section than under the wedding section. I had a look over on the duggar official blog and a few other websites and its the same story, the majority of talk is about the engagement and how awful it was to do this to the happy couple. There is very little talk of the actual wedding. The Duggars have really scored an own goal with this, but im sure old Jimbob doesn't care, as long as people are talking and he is getting publicity (even bad publicity) he will be happy. He really is a disgusting excuse for a father to treat his kids like this.

Just Annoyed said...

I absolutely agree that Joy's thunder was stolen. What a shame she is taken for a special dress, has special things surrounding her during courting & engagement, that make her feel that she is an important person, not just a Duggar girl. Sorry Joy, but your real problem is that you are a young woman & girls & women, have no place being special in the Duggar family. I'm sure Joy knew this was going to happen at her wedding but what could she do? After all she is the one who refers every question to: "I'll see what daddy thinks!" If you're old enough to marry & start a family of your own (i..e) saying she can't wait to be a mom. Then you're old enough not to refer every question about your life to "Daddy!"

All Done said...

I feel all this PR about Joy's wedding & Joe's engagement, is still smoke & mirrors for whatever Josh is facing, as well as the frivolous lawsuit from the girls! Move the attention somewhere else, if the publicity isn't going as you had hoped it would.

JeannieBean said...

I feel that this is yet another scripted stunt from master puppeteer JB.

I have no doubt that Joe's proposal was scripted and staged into the rest of the day's events. Being the good fundie boy that he is he would first have had to get permission from Kendra's father to propose. I'm betting that that awkward scene has already been filmed by TLC quite some time ago and will be shown in the not so exciting build up to Joy's wedding.

Please correct me if I'm wrong here, but wasn't it just about a year ago that Joy had to share that farce of a graduation celebration from 'Duggar Academy' with two of her other brothers? The twins I think? Couldn't Joy and Austin's wedding day have been just for them? I honestly don't even blame Joe for this as we all know that he was just doing as he was told to do.

Racer said...

I always mistake Kendra for Joy in those pictures.

Disgusted with Duggars said...

Re:Emma's comments I agree with everything said. Jim Bob with the backing of his PR team has learned an important lesson, where the public is concerned. Any publicity good or bad is great, especially when you are trying to keep a show on TV.I beg good people everywhere not to continue watching this farce of a show. Please don't continue letting Jim Bob ruin the lives of his beloved "Blessings." I've seen this happen as this "Ministry," has gone on after all these yrs. He is making millions off of his children & ruining their lives in the process. Please people don't watch the return of this show. Let Jim Bob see a huge drop in viewership. Perhaps he should be working himself. No wonder the boys don't work the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Melissa said...

God forgive Jim Bob Duggar for ruining the wedding days of his daughters. I hold Michelle just as compliant letting him get away with this. They couldn't let a daughter have her own special day, albeit only an hour or so at the most. It seems to me that Michelle got her own wedding & was again singled out for a special remembrance at Jill's wedding when she had her wedding dress on display. So no daughter can have her own wedding day.Jim Bob & Michelle have shown their own wedding many times, then the trip to NY for her fancy dress for the vow renewal. Nothing has ever been taken from her but her daughters are another story.

Wednesday said...

Re Disgusted with Duggars.
I completely agree about not giving them the ratings. I refuse to watch any shows and I never click on any news. I even went as far as not to renew People magazine.

sandi said...

I'm not crazy about JB,but I suspect it might have been all tlc's idea to have Joe propose.At the least,their approval would have been needed.I'm sure Joy and Austin had no say in it whatsoever.Jmo

Meme said...

Disgusted and Wednesday: I'm in. Actually, I couldn't watch the last half dozen episodes cause they were so BORING. If you aren't into the weddings or births there is just nothing to see. I don't care a THING about the silly sisters' pregnancy competition.

Just Disgusted said...

Sorry Sandi but this has Jim Bob's writing all over the day & time the proposal would be announced. Jim Bob seems to b going merrily on his own these days & yes he probably presented it to TLC & they probably agreed. They are following Jim Bob & his PR team like puppies. They never stood up to their announcement that the show was cancelled. They repackaged it & Jim Bob is slinging everything he has & can think of to satisfy them. How can people look at the way TLC handled the Josh scandal & are still remaining with this family. It's a disgrace. It's all about the almighty dollar. The ratings for The Megan Kelly interviews, showed TLC that Jim Bob was onto something & they have let him take the ball & run with it.

Me Again said...

Sandi, this engagement announcement has Jim Bob written all over it. Yes TLC would have agreed but they have let Jim Bob come up with all of these crazy ideas. I can't believe they felt viewers would enjoy seeing Jim Bob auction off his daughter's & in a panic have one of his son's get engaged. This is another disgusting example of Jim Bob Duggar's attempt to fool the public, as he heads for the bank. TlC must have had plenty filmed for future episodes what with courting, engagements, weddings,births etc. Then they could have had an entire episode for Joe to come up with an awesome proposal, which of course, would have been orchestrated by them.

Missy said...

Oh Sandi, Sandi, this is exactly what Jim Bob counts on, put the blame on anyone but him.

Me also said...

Sandi, sorry but I agree with Missy, Me Again, Just Disgusted, Disgusted with the Duggars. Jim Bob wins again!!

Emma said...

I'm with all of the above posters, the engagement has Jimbobs mucky mits all over it. He will use every and any opportunity to promote the family snorefest, even if it means making his daughter share her only day in life to shine with her brother. I really hope that at least one of these kids tells him where to go someday soon, it would be the one episode I would watch.

sandi said...

Jim Bob can come up with whatever dumb idea he wants.It's still up to tlc to give the final approval

Ellie On a Roll said...

Bottom line regarding Joe proposing to Kendra at Joy Anna's wedding reception.... it saved Jimbob a lot of money. If you recall the staged proposals his 4 daughters received - Jill had a special song written and sang to her by a band in a gazebo somewhere in Arkansas and Derek flew in special for the occasion, Jessa was proposed to in the beautiful country chapel with all the rose petals and candlelight, Jinger flew to NYC and Jeremy proposed to her on a rooftop, and Austin prepared a wilderness dinner and proposal for Joy Anna. How do the Duggar boys propose? Well, Josh surprised Anna, who was eating at a fast food restaurant with her parents and asked for her hand. And now Joseph asked Kendra to marry him at his siste'r's wedding reception. The double standard is becoming glaring clear.

Susie said...

These Duggar boys need to run! Nothing is stopping them. They should have their TV money. If not, go find a lawyer and sue to get it. Run! Get a life!

Christine said...

All Done makes an excellent point: "I feel all this PR about Joy's wedding & Joe's engagement, is still smoke & mirrors for whatever Josh is facing, as well as the frivolous lawsuit from the girls! Move the attention somewhere else, if the publicity isn't going as you had hoped it would."

Having Joseph propose at his sister's wedding has provoked a lot of outrage and draw attention. Not good attention, but better for JimBob that fans be upset about the proposal than reading about Josh getting sued in court.

I must disagree with Ellie On a Roll about Joseph's proposal saving JimBob money. I think TLC would have paid for a proposal, since it would be used for episodes. I figure that Anna's proposal was relatively low-key and inexpensive because either the Duggars couldn't imagine anything grander at the time or the Duggars didn't have the clout and proven ability to draw viewers to negotiate with TLC over costs.

Willow said...

I agree. Anna and Kendra got cheated out of a real engagement celebration. On the other hand, the Bates daughter-in-law, Whitney, got the real deal from Zach Bates. Even if Joe does do something special later for Kendra, it is a done deal that Joy had to "share". Joe should have just whispered in Kendra's ear and kept it quiet and had a surprise later on. We all know the Duggars just don't care about individuality of any kind. Jill had to share her wedding with her mom's dress. The other girls just lucked out. I really do hope Joy is happy, in spite of her father and father-in-law. I hope Austin is his own person and loves her for real.

Plain Ridiclous said...

Sorry Sandi, I don't want to sound mean but this has Jim Bob all over it. Yes TLC has to approve but they had to approve the interviews that were given to Megan Kelly,filmed & shown & they did it. It was Jim Bob that wanted that information out there & TLC knew he'd find a way, so they did the best the could, going along with the Fox & Megan Kelly interviews. Which I agree isn't very good at all. Jim Bob would have contacted whoever he needed to regarding getting his, Michelle's & the girls story of the molestation out to the public, so TLC went along. I realize that TLC has all their fingers in this pie, as it is such a money maker for them but they know Jim Bob will go to whoever he needs to in order to get his PR out there & try to keep the show. I suggest a truce & we all just agree not to watch this farce of a show. Sometimes what sounds good in theory, i.e. the engagement announcement, doesn't work out that way & the backlash of this engagement is turning out this way.

Mandy said...

Willow I hadn't even thought about how Kendra was cheated out of her own special engagement day. You are correct. I was only thinking about how they infringed on Joy's day but yes Kendra was entitled to her own special day to become engaged. I have friends who are identical twins who had a double wedding since the bridegrooms were best friends too. But both girls had their own special engagement announcement complete with diamond rings that were different. They had separate showers & different dresses. The double ceremony took place due to the close relationship of both couple & because one had a future husband that was in the service & was going to be moving across the country. Everyone understood the circumstances & nobody's feelings were hurt.

v said...

Joe & Kendra seem to have the emotional maturity of 12 year old kids. They have no business getting married without an education or job prospect. I feel no loving energy coming from them, just like 2 awkward middle school kids starting date. Joe is under his the almighty Jimboobs control on this matter and I feel Kendra is also being controlled by her dad but personally is excited about becoming a "star". Wonder where these two children will live after the arranged marriage. I guess soon we will be treated to the exciting hand holding, wedding dress shopping, advice from the married sisters on how to do the wild thing...and I am referring to kissing! YAWN

Paula Reed said...

Ok, so John David is a Constable (or, something like that), he has a towing company, supposedly has his own house (given to him by a bank for hauling trash?), etc. So, what does Joseph do? Or, are the Duggars like some sort of royal family, where all they do is exist? In any event, I guess that was good enough for Kendra's parents.

Paula Reed said...

I hope TLC shows the young couple going out with a younger sibling as a chaperone, holding hands (and explaining to us once again why they don't kiss), picking out a wedding dress... you know, all those things we've seen before.

Hello said...

Will Jboob make Kendra fill out a 50 page questionaire lie he made his fiture son in laws do? Will Jboob and Mullett counsel them and question Kendra? I doubt Jboob will let Joe's future father in law question him and want to know how he will support his daughter, if he has any debt, and where they will live. I wouldn't put it past Jboob and Mullet to question Kendra and make sure she will always be joyfully available and will bear many children.
I think it was very tacky for Joe to propose at his sister's wedding, but the Duggar's and Duggar in laws are not known to have amy class. At each wedding the husbands felt it was necessary to grab their women as they were walking down the aisle after the wedding was over.

Aunt Bea said...

I do wish Joe and Kendra well, as I think Joe is a nice boy and Kendra, of course, keeps sweet. However, I agree that these two seem more like two 12 year olds out on their first 7th grade dance rather than 2 adults ready to get married....TO ANYONE. How can their own parents, who lived a normal life before converting, not see that their children are still children? We know Michelle married at 17, but she had a normal childhood and adolescent experience and most likely Jim Bob did too. I bet he had some guy friends that he hung out with and went to the movies, played baseball with, etc. Their children did not have any of that socialization in which to develop and grow. This still doesn't explain Jana and John David, who both seem a-sexual. It isn't normal for a 27 year old man to be content with his life when he is still sleeping in a 'boy's dormitory' with elementary aged school children. The same goes for Jana, she is a grown woman of 27 and is sleeping with a 7 year old Josie. How can their fans not see that this is abnormal, even for God believing, church going regular families?

Emma said...

Aunt Bea: something is a bit 'off' with the twins. I really don't think Jana is happy at all, she always seems resigned to things like she is 'switched off' to me. She has just watched her young sister get married while she is still at home looking after the younger batch. I don't think she needs to be married but she should be off doing her own thing, working a job and earning her own money, going out with friends of her own, travelling to places she wants to see. Maybe Jana has seen and heard too much and feels protective towards her younger siblings. I think John David stays around out of loyalty to Jana, but he really needs to grow a pair and move out, he owns his own house for goodness sake. Re a younger Jimbob, did he have friends? I have never seen any pictures (except ones with Michelle or immediate family)or heard any stories about young Jimbob. No friends have ever come forward to say they knew him back in the day, no remember when photos. Any 'men friends' I have seen photographs of him hanging with are all Gothard type God squaders. Maybe old aquaintances are afraid to say anything for fear of being sued or just don't want to be connected to the Duggar circus? Michelle has her friend Cindy who does not seem to like JB and vice versa, but at least she has some small non family connection to her past.

Aimee said...

Poor Kendra and Poor Joy. The boys may not care so much but I am sure each of those ladies would have liked to have their own engagement/wedding day without someone else being a huge part of it. One article quoted Joe saying that he wasn't nervous to ask her because Kendra had said she was "just waiting on him" I think she could have waited a bit longer to share that moment. -- I am anxious to compare their wedding to the Duggar Girls Weddings. Think back to Josh/Anna's - it was big but the ladies of the church made the food and that 80s style wedding cake. Anna borrowed her sister's wedding dress and made the bridesmaid dresses. No trips for dresses, no class, no style - I wonder if the Duggars and TLC will help Kendra's family pay for it at all?

Willow said...

Very well said Aunt Bea. I couldn't agree more. I also wonder if the Duggars will make Kendra fill out a questionnaire and PREVENT Joe from doing so with Mr. Caldwell. Since JB is such good friends with Austin's dad and Kendra's dad, I bet you he skips it for them. He such a piece of work (all of those 3 sets of parents are, imo).

Heart in Florida said...

I still find it strange that TLC showed Jim Bob grilling Derick and Jeremy, who are both college graduates with Bachelor's Degrees about how they are going to support his daughters, while Ben, who was a teenager, still in early community college, with no real career job, had no financial interrogation. Why was Ben's financial 'talk' never televised like Derick and Ben's? Why did the one who was most likely NOT able to support Jessa given a pass on that one?

Tori said...

Heart in Florida : The answer can be summed up in three words Jim Bobs Ego. I really think he has a huge chip on his shoulder about his lack of education, and liked to make his 'smarter' sons in law squirm. He has that self made man puffed up chest thing going on, in reality if wern't for TLC they would all be living a very different life, no big house, no free travel/wedding dresses/ meals and on and on. Ben was just a snotty kid to JB, he didn't pose any threat so no 3rd degree needed for him. I also think this is one of the reasons their kids are so poorly educated, can't have one of your own kids knowing more than you, can you?

Penny said...

If I was Joy And Kendra I would feel cheated...Joy as the bride deserved a day for herself but if I were Kendra I would feel jipped.. why no lavish production for her proposal...?

Paula Reed said...

Maybe Joy can do her gender reveal at Kendra's wedding.

Aunt Bea said...

I predict that Joy will be 'blessed' by Labor Day and Kendra will be 'blessed' by Thanksgiving. All to quick and nothing much more to look forward to in life if you ask me. Those young peoples' lives are boring, boring until they get to know, court, marry and are parents all within a 6 month time period. Such a rush to have your whole life done already. Then back to boring.

Sarah M. said...


Proposing to your girlfriend at your sister's wedding is tacky,but I guess for JB, bad publicity is still considered publicity. We can all see that JB shoved him into the whole courtship with this close family friend we've never heard of. It wasn't very long ago that we heard "talking head" Joe say he wasn't interested in pursuing a relationship.

Here's a different scenario. "Kendra, with everything that's been happening with Joy & Austin THIS PAST WEEK (or even month), I've been thinking about how I love you...sweetheart, will you marry me?"

Barbara M said...

Or more realistically... Sarah, Joe would say, "Kendra, my best friend for the past 3 months, you have a servant's heart, are a hard worker, already stare at me with glazed google eyes and seem healthy enough to have as many babies as God will give us so daddy says I must marry you to jack up the TLC ratings next year because our show is so boring that we are loosing fans."

Daley said...

Others have asked about Jim Bob having any friends in HS. Nobody has been willing to admit it. Jim Bob was a bit older than his classmates as he turned 19 right after graduating from H.S.

meme said...

The only friend he's ever mentioned,and I think he was a HS friend of Jb's,was Jim Holt.For some reason,he is now an ex friend.His daughter was the one Josh was courting.
I think it was said they were going to sell encyclopedia's together after HS

Just Disgusted. said...

Barbara M. Loved your post about how Joe could propose to Kendra,listing all her qualities: Servant's heart, hard worker, already have the google eyes stare down, strong, enough to birth all the babies that will be coming along & of course the TLC ratings. You certainly summed it up as well as anyone could. Sadly it's not just something to get a chuckle out of it's the absolute truth! What a sad & unfulfilling life. I've said before & I'll say it again Jim Bob & Michelle lived the life they wanted to, they have an obligation to allow their children to do the same. God didn't give any of us our children to own, but rather to raise them to the best of our ability & let them go. So much for how much Michelle loves the "Butterfly," as a symbol. I thought the butterfly was a symbol that you let your children fly on their own. You're never going to change how they have turned out when once they reach their late teens or early twenties. That's it! They are now adult for better or for worse.

Over Them said...

Re: meme's comment. JB & his friend were going to sell "Bibles" not encyclopedias after graduating from school. That's what he was doing when he met Michelle. Too bad, JB might have had more of an open mind with the encyclopedias.

Rainy Days said...

Re;Sara M's comment about a scenario for Joe proposing to Kendra. Do you think he would ever really use the word "sweetheart?" When have we ever heard anyone in the Duggar family of those who have married into it, use an affectionate, sweet word like that. They are more likely to stick with "babe, etc.

Daley said...

Oh, my goodness. Jim Holt was Jim Blob's friend from that far back??
It was Jim Holt's daughter to whom Josh was betrothed at age 14.

Dana Alton said...

It is sick to think of a 14 year old boy being engaged to be married. No wonder the kid had crazy sexual thoughts directed at his siblings. He should have been out with boyfriends with his mind on playing sports, working on homework, looking forward to going to college and having a career.

liza J said...

Over Them.....how could Jimbob sell encyclopedias when they contain information about history & science that goes against his narrow ideas? The earth only 3,000 years old.....isn't that what they think, going to that Noah's Arc Amusement and the religious museum? Look at poor Jinger, just discovering books......omg.

Heart in Florida said...

Who in this day and age would betroth a 14 year old kid to anyone? Would Michelle have liked it if she was betrothed to some other kid when she was 14 and had no real say in it? I highly doubt it. These parents, all of them, need to wake up and see what they are doing to their children.

sandi said...

Itza,I was wrong,it was bibles the 2 Jim's were going to sell,just like the other person said

Hannah said...

The reason the betrothed Josh at the age of 14 could mean he was showing signs of sexual interest earlier then the reported molesting of the sisters so getting him married to some dumb little girl would take care of his urges. This is what they eventually did to Anna...stick her with him, encourage her to get married and all would be fine with Josh. How mistaken they were. Anna is the victim, blaming herself for not living up to the being available thing yet having 5 babies for the family to keep herself in good standing with them.

sandi said...

Hannah,that's what many have speculated.Also,the Duggars and the Holts used to home church and hang out 'fellowship' together,but for some reason,it seems that all ended sometime shortly(?) after the betrothal ended

Happy Wife said...

I cannot believe a couple can marry without knowing each other & really dating. I met my hubby when I was in my teens. We dated along with other couples, you know bowling, out for pizza afterwards, going to dances with other couples & amusement parks. Many happy hours & we are still friends with the other couples. Then it was off to different colleges after high school graduation, but we all kept in touch. Back together again after graduation from college & after securing jobs we married. We still have the same friends & enjoy lots of fun & laughter together remembering those days when we were teens. This is my idea of a best friend & someone you feel secure in marrying. I can't imagine never holding hands & only side hugs, having all our conversations monitored. I can't see how these marriages will work out, as they know nothing about each other. I've said it before & I'll say it again, Jim Bob & Michelle were allowed to live the life they wanted, why can't their children? Oh I know, they have found a way to make a great deal of money off of thir "Blessings."

Gerti said...

It would appear that the Holt friendship & church ended due to something inappropriate with Josh, hence the broken betroth agreement and end of fellowship with the Duggars. It had to be something serious to break up a long term friendship between the families. Obviously, the public still has a lot to learn about Duggar secrets.

sandi said...

Gerti,yes,and it makes me wonder the identity of Alice,who seems to know a lot about the Duggar family

Heart in Florida said...

sandi and Gerti: do you think that "Alice" could be one of the Holt parents?

Kimmy said...

Yes, it makes sense, Heart in Florida, that a Holt parent wanted to help the next Duggar victim, felt it their Christian duty.

sandi said...

Heart in FL,I think it's very likely,and that this person had good reason to speak up and did so.Jmo

daley said...

I have to wonder if Josh was messing with his sisters at 14 and when Jim Bob found out instead of telling his long time friend Jim Holt he just arranges for his underaged son to be betrothed to another child.

I don't get what he thought that would do.

Dusty said...

Daley.. I was thinking the same thing. Why betroth a child to child unless there was a serious reason. When was Josh supposed to marry this innocent child? Age 15 and get her pregnant? Such a horror story. Thank God the girl was saved from Josh.

Heart in Florida said...

I don't think Josh's betrothal was to MARRY at 15; just the promise to marry, probably at 18, when they both were legal adults.

sandi said...

I think they could've married at 16,with parental permission.Michelle was 17 when she and JB wed,so it wouldn't surprise me.Thk goodness it didn't go that far