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There are a ton of things the Duggars could be doing that would be newsworthy, such as doing something for other people. They had the fake sale where the money was donated. It seemed so nice and generous before we knew the truth.
What do they do for others?
Just a thought: I ran down a list of the M children, asking hubby if he had to name a girl M name after the 5 Ms.
He said "Madison".
Last night I saw an old episode of Counting On, some sort of recap (of course) of Jill & Deric's courtship and marriage. A couple of things stood out to me.
Jill really used to be the sweetheart of the family, maybe partially because she married first. Even Jessa took a backseat to her at one time. But JANA is the one who has changed more than her sisters. At one time Jana was so animated and expressive and chatty. She is not so animated anymore and it really is sad to see. I think she feels that time has left her behind. Her younger sisters all have husbands now, and homes and children. Even her twin, John David, is no longer single. I can't imagine what will happen to her if Daddy doesn't get off his butt and find a compatible guy for her. It wouldn't hurt her sisters to help the cause, either, although I do feel that maybe Jeremy was Jessa's & Ben's attempt at finding a soulmate for her. (No way do I believe he was intended for Jinger.) Still, in a family with that many boys, doesn't SOMEONE have a friend? John David? Jeremy? Derick? Crap, someone DO something.
I’m going to assume it’s going to be MARY or some iteration of that.
Wouldn't it be even better if Daddy didn't have to find someone for Jana? And if Jana realized that she is nearing 30 and has a mind of her own, and can go find a job, an apartment, AND a man? Or a woman if that is what she wants?
This would be a reason I would watch again. A Duggar woman realizes how abnormal her lifestyle is, and makes a break for it and finds a REAL life!
I would think even as brainwashed as the Duggars are, that at least one of them would realize what has happened to them, and how to escape it.
Sometimes I wonder if Jana is playing a better game than JB. Maybe she doesn't want to have so many kids and if she waits until past 30 to court/marry, then maybe she will only have 3-5 kids of her own. She may be setting herself up for her own freedom in the future by not getting tied down with such a large family of her own.
I just saw the last message on the June forum. How sad! I am so sorry for them.
https://www.tlcme.com/shows/counting-on/articles/forsyth-family-update?soc=fb&sf104914359=1
Joy had a miscarriage
No. No you guys. Jana will never be free. She has no brain and no voice concerning this and several other important things.
Such a waste of a lovely young lady.
She is under total and complete control of the Dear Cult Leader.
Silence on the Jabbie front? Maybe they are living their lives and dont need the Internet's approval from getting coffee or taking car selfies or announcing baby #infinity
Joy had a miscarriage(I do feel bad about that and so far along...) which couldn't be experienced without immediately posting a picture on IG of her suffering in a hospital bed.
And will be followed with an update of a new pregnancy.
Harsh, maybe but they've all got an established pattern.
https://people.com/tv/joy-anna-duggar-suffered-miscarriage/
Very sad. So, will there be a full scale funeral for the show? Just like the one for Baby Jubilee? At what point does a miscarriage merit a full scale funeral in the Duggar family?
Anna, and Lauren both had miscarriages, no funerals for the babies. I am just trying to figure out why Jubilee was given an entire episode of mourning, and those babies were not even named.
Micky2942 - Lauren’s Baby was named “Asa”. Honestly, whatever helps you mourn but I understand Joy and Austen naming this baby a bit more then Lauren and Josiah. J and A were 20 weeks along, well out of the “miscarriage danger zone” when most miscarriages happen, and were a week away from viability/being medically labeled a stillbirth vs a miscarriage. And of all the family miscarriages so far this would be the one I’d understand if they had a small funeral type ceremony for (for the reasons just listed) but I would hope it would be small and not televised.
And I also don’t blame them for posting about it. Everyone knew they were pregnant. Announcing the miscarriage honestly protects them, their hearts and emotions as people now know not to ask “how’s baby” and “when’s baby due” and other questions about the baby. They don’t need my more reminders of the baby they just lost. And I respect that they waited a week before announcing.
Jana doesn't have a bad life. She doesn't have to cater to any "man-child", or have baby after baby. She doesn't work outside of the house.
I wish I could have stayed home, and not had to deal with the harsh reality of life. Just live a dreamlike existence of gardening, cooking, crafting, laundry, and kid tending.
Wish I had it that good.
If I am remembering this correctly, Michelle's miscarriage of Jubilee was discovered at the "boy or girl?" ultrasound. It sounds like it was the same way for Joy's baby. The world revolves around JB, or so he likes to think. Jubilee was JB's child (via broodmare Michelle) so that makes her important enough for a whole episode. Miscarriages from the daughters/daughters-in-law are just part of the Duggar family's headcount and don't matter as much. Like so many well-meaning people say, "They're still young, plenty of time for more babies."
So, so sad for Joy Anna. It’s going to suck for her when all her sisters start giving birth in the fall. And 20 weeks, that’s really unlikely, especially given Joy’s Age. (21)
Sad news about Joy’s baby. I don’t believe many of these Duggar girls get regular prenatal check ups from a professional midwife. It is true that bad things happen even with proper prenatal care but so many of these girls are having issues with their pregnancies or deliveries. Just wondering if some of these tragedies could be avoided with the proper care.
I agree about Jana,Mickey.Although I do think she will get married if when Jb tells her it is time.If he wants 200 gkids,holding even one of them back would likely hinder that.
I do think Jb would be green with Envy if the Bates end up with more gkids than he does.Probably blowing steam out of his ears! But that's quite away off
I have seen this similar dynamic, the Father likes his oldest daughter, more than his wife. Not implying anything incestuous, but simply that they have a very close relationship. JB likes her more, because she is part of him.
I doubt that JB has encouraged Jana to leave at all. This is also probably why Josh never touched her, due to her close relationship with JB. Josh knew she would tell in a heartbeat.
RE:Mia's comment about someone in the family finding a husband for Jana. Why is it absolutely necessary that Jana marry, instead of remaining single? Regardless of what many may think, I believe she probably has already had chances to court & refused them. A wise decision on her part. There is absolutely nothing in this world wrong with Jana deciding to remain single. She may be happy, or she may not be happy with her life, that's her choice. But not all of the married Duggars seem all that happy in their "wonderful married lives." At least so far, J.B. has not auctioned her off to someone who is her very best friend,someone that she has only known for a week or two.
So sorry for Joy & Austin. Guess this has knocked Lauren's dramatics to the side, at least or now. This should also enlighten the Duggars to the fact that miscarriages, as well as stillbirths, happen to all of us. This is not something reserved for just the Duggars. Although they do play fast & loose with their health in general & specifically their pregnancies, not having proper prenatal medical care, even after suffering difficult deliveries. Choosing midwives who can't tell the baby is in the wrong position for delivery, hemorrhaging. Ambulance trips at the last minute, rushing the mom to the hospital for emergency care to hopefully save both mom & baby. When will they decide to return to the OB/GYN that even, "Mother of the Year" Michelle used?
The pictures of heartbroken joy holding her dead baby—who is the sociopath who took those pictures???
I can't imagine what Joy and Austin are going through. I am genuinely sorry for their loss.
What is disappointing is that there was a photo taken and released to the media of a young woman going through a personal tragedy. Will the Duggar family try to monetize this loss? I don't think this young woman should have to tell her story on tv or to People magazine, for money to grease Jim Bob's ministry wheel. But given their history, I suspect that is what will happen. The Duggar cult-kids have no idea about boundaries or what privacy is, or that they have a right to anything like that. Married off young, to people they barely know. I watched the show sometimes, when they were all young. Before the various Josh scandals. Before the death of baby Jubilee, when Michelle was still having baby after baby. Now her babies are having babies. The cycle goes on and on. Please let some of them break free and find a different way of life.
Joy Anna thanked her friend for coming in to do her hair and make up for the dead baby photos. My god.
Joy comments and thanks Carlin Bates for doing her hair and makeup for their photo shoot with the baby.....who in the world is worried about hair and makeup after losing a baby.?? I wouldn’t even know which end is up.
I think the baby loss pics are a part of the Duggars in general pushing the prolife movement.
That said,it's common to get pics of the baby,but most keep them private
It may seem strange, but there are groups that volunteer to take pictures of babies so their parents have something to help them remember the child they lost. When my daughter was stillborn at 40 weeks, Now I Lay Me Down to Sleep (a group here in Colorado) took beautiful pictures of her. The loss/delivery were very hard for me and I don't remember chunks of it. But I have her pictures and will cherish them forever. And while I personally don't share the pictures often, for me it's a way to share that she existed. So many parents who have lost children just want their child to be acknowledged.
You would think, Patrice. I'd like nothing better than for Jana to ditch Daddy and realize how capable she is (more than the others). But they never do anything on their own. Too indoctrinated - and I'm not talking about the Bible!
Sunshine, I agree that Jana does not have to get married, but I know that she DESIRES TO - at least that is what she said. I'd like nothing better than for Jana to ditch her daddy and be totally independent, for that matter. I am realistic enough that it will NEVER happen, too.
Joy looks like Jessa in one of the photos. Was Jill their midwife? I saw her and Michelle in another photo that seemed very crowded. I would want space but who knows with them.
Taking photos of the dearly departed is part of funerary practice in my culture, but I think it's macabre.
Mickey-she doesnt have something so simple yet so life changing that you dont know until it is gone-Freedom. She is like the withering rose in the glass case.
Laura, she is 30 years old, she chooses this life. No real responsibility, a perpetual "child" in her parents home. Never really has to grow up or be responsible for anything. Just do what she is told. No need for independent thought. Everything is provided for her by Daddy.
I don't understand it either.
RE: Pickle Pie. So sorry for your loss. I see nothing wrong with pictures taken under these circumstances however, they ABSUTELY SHOULD BE PRIVATE, for the parents of the child or immediate family or friends, definitely not for magazines or TV shows. However, who thinks of makeup or having their hair done during this time?
RE:Mia's comment about Jana wanting to get married. I believe, what Jana says & what she really wants, may well be two different things.
If you go to YouTube, you'll find hundreds of people who have attempted to work through their grief by making videos or slideshows of their babies.
RE: Rolling My Eyes's question, will the Duggar family try to monetize this loss? I'm afraid given their history, the answer to that question is a resounding, yes. Especially when you consider that Joy had her hair & makeup done for the pictures. Can't believe I would care how I looked, if I was dealing with the loss of a child. I don't think hair & makeup would be at the forefront, unless it was for magazines or TV etc.
May I suggest that the friend who came and did Joys hair and makeup offered to come and do it? Maybe Joy didn’t ask. Maybe she didn’t care. Maybe the friend wanted to be supportive and offered?
I don’t know either way what happened.
PicklePie kindly shared with us about when she lost her precious daughter, "The loss/delivery were very hard for me and I don't remember chunks of it". It sounds like newlywed Carlin came in to try to comfort her friend. I doubt that Joy gave ta thought about her hair and makeup, but after she got here Carlin probably realized that Joy would be looking at the pictures for the rest of her life and she didn't need to be upset later wishing that she looked presentable in the only pictures she had of her daughter. (I think many of us have wanted to do something for someone who suffered a loss but didn't know what to do. God Bless Carlin for that act of kindness! Joy will always remember it.)
So, here's an interesting point of view about sharing news of miscarriage and photos of deceased children. (Not trying to offend anyone) I do not support the monetizing of such news or pictures, but I understand sharing the bad news as well as the good.
https://m-huffingtonpost-ca.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/m.huffingtonpost.ca/amp/entry/joy-anna-duggar-miscarriage-photo_ca_5d1f8801e4b01b8347362cd6/?amp_js_v=a2&_gsa=1#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.huffingtonpost.ca%2Fentry%2Fjoy-anna-duggar-miscarriage-photo_ca_5d1f8801e4b01b8347362cd6
As much as I hate to defend a Duggar, I feel joy and Austin can do what they want regarding the loss of their daughter. I can understand Joy wanting to look nice as these are the only pictures she’ll have of her daughter, it may well be a coping mechanism. Sharing the pictures acknowledges she’s had a baby and allowing others to see that while her daughter doesn’t live, she existed. It’s terribly sad.
Personally, I’m surprised Lauren and Josiah haven’t led the charge of how they understand and are suffering because of their miscarriage. They have made sure we have been reminded CONSTANTLY...
Re:Sara's comment. I agree that Joy can do what helps her the most to live with this devastating loss. However, I just cannot understand how hearing about it on Radar on line & selling the pictures to People magazine for profit helps deal with the loss of a child, regardless of whether it was a miscarriage or stillborn or toddler. There's just something so wrong about money changing hands under these circumstances.
Pickle pie, a friend of mine is a volunteer photographer with that organization. He says they are some of the hardest photos to take, but he wants to make sure that the family gets all the photos they want because he knows it's all they will have. I'm glad you had an opportunity to have photos taken at such a difficult time.
I am a nurse that does Bereavement Follow-Up. We have an awesome team. Our photographers are discreet, extremely delicate & kind & especially determined to maintain the privacy for the family. They are on call & will do pictures when the mom wants them done. She may want to wait for family to arrive & that's fine she's never rushed. We have a basic list for the "Memory Box" & I am always amazed at the new additions to the list, added by the grieving mom's who will often say "do you think it would be ok to put this in." Anything they want, we do. We follow our moms to evaluate any ongoing deep mental suffering, postnatal depression etc. The one thing I have never seen done, is for any mom to want to profit in any way, off of the loss of her child, by selling these picture, videos etc. I think a substantial number of our photographers would leave our team, if they were aware of monetary gain from pictures. I would too. We are here to help these moms deal with their grief, not to help their pocketbooks or for PR purposes. I have had a number of moms who are by far more famous than Joy Duggar & not a word has been leaked out when that mom requested complete privacy & it never will on our watch.
There is no sign that the Duggars sold any photos to People. Everything in the article came from their blog. There is nothing stopping People or any rag from using what has already been put out on the internet.
The black and white picture with Austin on the bed with Joy-Anna touches my heart.
He is the husband was shaken by seeing his wife suffering so when she was in labor with their son....unlike one husband who decided he needed to take a nap. And when you see him looking down at little Annabell Elise you can see he is hurting, too.
I am not sure how he was raised, but I see a kind and caring husband. (Yes, I am aware that TLC tried to make him look like a jerk when they were out on the water when she was pregnant with Gideon.) I don't think he is.
He allows his wife to make decisions without controlling her. One can tell from the way she acts and the way Gideon smiles a lot, that the Forsythe's are a happy family.
Glad for Joy!
IT's all fine. The pictures, the hair & makeup. Carlin volunteering to help her fiend, so in retrospective she will look nice in these pictures, whenever she feels she wants to look at these important pictures. Whatever helps the grieving parents. It's all fine EXCEPT: Selling the pictures for monetary gain. Perhaps they were not sold as mentioned, by Linda. However that has been the route the Duggars have taken in the past. They have always had a close relationship (perhaps a contract) with People Magazine. I won't purchase a copy of People, knowing that this infant's pictures are splashed all over the pages. If the Duggars/Forsyths absolutely didn't want the pictures published due to an invasion of privacy, they could sue the magazine. Who put the pictures out in public in the first place?
Reg. Joy-anna's pics. Why were Michelle and Jill there? Is Jill becoming her mother? I feel this was a private immediate family moment.
All is quiet oin duggarland. It looks like Jinger and family are in town. Wondering if they are having a funeral for joy’s baby. Wondering if tlc is filming.
Please thank your friend for me... What he does with NILMDTS truly gives comfort and memories to families like mine. I know it has to be tough on the volunteers and hospital staff (losing a baby affects them as well) and I can't express my gratitude enough. The photographers are so professional and caring! My daughter would have been 8 this year and those priceless pictures, the clothes she wore, her ashes and the casts of her hands and feet that the nurses made
are all I have left of her.
I'm no fan of the Duggars, but I feel for Joy. I really hope she gets counseling to help her deal with the loss. I hope she doesn't put on a happy face for the cameras and allows herself to grieve as much as she needs to. Losing a child is a pain that never really goes away. It dulls a little but it's always there. I will never again be the person I was before I lost my baby. I went on to have a rainbow baby who will be 7 this fall, but she will never know what I was like before.
As a mom who has been on the receiving end of such kindness, thank you. You have no idea how much your work touches lives. ❤️ Thank you for all you do!
Thank you. I'm not a big make up wearer, but I wish someone would have thought to brush my hair for our pictures. I was in no state to do so or even think about it. It's possible that her friend saw a way she could try to lend comfort by doing her hair and make up, rather than Joy requesting it. Sometimes people just step in and try to fill a need, even if there really isn't one, out of love and not knowing what else to do.
The photographer we had was so kind and compassionate. The photos are beautiful even though I had crazy hair. When I look at the pictures I see the raw emotion and remember little flashes. I'm so grateful I have that even though it still makes me cry.
As far as sharing them, I've been private about ours. I've shared with family and a few close friends. I can't even bring myself to print them for a baby book or to frame. But if by sharing them I could help bring awareness to still births, I would do so in a heart beat. Most people don't know that it happens 36,000 times a year in the US alone. Many times they don't know why. If I could prevent one loss by sharing my story/pictures, it would be worth it. Now... That said, I'm sure the Duggars could have other motives that I don't support.
I totally agree. I don't know the motivation, but a friend showing up at such a time is a true kindness. She's going to need a lot more kindness over the next year...
RE:Linda's Comment. You are correct if something is put out on the internet it's fair game. However why put the pictures out on the internet? It' would have been sufficient enough to just put out a statement. If you put out pictures & you're on TV, you absolutely know that someone magazine is going to print these pictures. Keep the pictures private.
Per Linda's comment. But Joy & Austin put the pictures on the internet thereby making it possible for them to be printed by anyone & not kept private. That's what's bothering me. The thought of those pictures on social media, or in magazines is just sickening. If they put those pictures on the internet it's the same as publishing them in a magazine. You have to know that will happen. Why not just issue a statement that you have miscarried or had a stillbirth, minus the pictures?
Pickle Pie, I am sorry sorry for your loss. You have a unique view how to deal with miscarriage & stillborn & I really respect your views. You understand the need for a true friend to offer you kindness at the time of your loss & for a long time afterwards. You understand the need for photos etc. & can see both sides of the issue. As far as sharing your story to help others who have gone through a loss, or trying to help prevent this type of loss, in someway, I think that belonging to one of the many support groups for women who have dealt with this loss could be beneficial to both you & others. I plea for privacy when it come to sharing pictures to the general public. I believe that would be regrettable in the future.
Why do people keep assuming that those pictures were "sold for financial gain". People Magazine (online anyway) pulls a lot of information (including pictures) off famous people's Instagram and Facebook pages all of the time. This could be happened here. As I have said many times, I am not a Duggar fan, but at the same time....we don't know what the truth (regarding selling or not selling photos), and it is very unfair to jump to conclusions about this young couple with regards to these pictures. I, for one, think they are beautiful and heartfelt. I have had friends who have gone though heartbreak similar to this who did not get pictures and have expressed regret that they didn't. As others have said, these pictures are the ONLY ONES they will ever have of this baby. A baby that was loved and wanted. I can't even imagine the pain (both physical and emotional) that Joy went through, and continues to go through. Also, the pain that Austin went through, watching is wife having to go through labor and give birth to a "sleeping" baby. You could see the raw emotion in that black and white picture they posted on their instagram page, and then the ones holding the baby. My heart breaks for them and I think that we need to give them a break. Quit judging and just allow them to grieve.
I agree, some things should be kept private and sacred. They are a public family, and their fans are interested in their lives, but a statement would have been sufficient. I think that their fans would understand, and respect, their privacy during this very heartbreaking time. My dear friends daughter lost her baby at 36 weeks, and it was devastating. Her daughter and husband were able to have photos taken and spend time with their little angel, but did not share those photos on the internet or send them out for all to see. They do have a picture hanging in their home, but the few moments they shared with their little guy were private, special and were not put on display. I know that some people grieve and handle loss differently, but I still believe that some things are too special to share with everyone.
They can do what they want with the photos. My question is, why do they think we need to see the pictures of their dead baby? I am not a relative or friend so I do not need or want to see that. It is none of my business.
But. After hearing about Joy Anna being so happy that her friend was able to do her hair & makeup, I wonder if that poor girl knows that she DOESN'T HAVE TO share her private life with the masses. She's had a camera in her face since she was a young child. Jim Bob and Muchelle sold out a long time ago - doesn't mean Joy Anna and Austin have to.
I haven't see pictures of the Joy-Anna and Austin's baby. I just see a broken couple looking down toward what looked like a crocheted bonnet on her little head with a tiny teddy bear beside her. Not that I want to see them, but where are the pictures that everyone is getting their panties in a wad over?
I have never lost a baby so I cannot fathom the pain, but seeing this young couple tears at my heart and gives me more compassion and understanding than before. Maybe it will a few others, too.
Mia, you make a good point that Joy May literally not know better than allowing camera in her face to record her most vulnerable moments. She was very immature and sheltered when she married Austin. BUT,Austin should know better.
Re Stepping back: the pics you saw are the ones they are referring to. I thought the same
Remember Josiah's first courtship Marjorie? I recently visited her insta and she wears shorts/tank tops, moved to Colorado and has a new baby brother!
As did I. I thought it was actually tasteful. So sad, but the one posted was in good taste, IMO.
123, You said Austin should know better, that to allow a camera in her fact to record her most vulnerable moments.
I thought he, too, was raised by people, who controlled him like the Duggars do their kids so assumed that was why he is learning as he goes. Since you know about his life would you mind sharing a bit about how he was raised differently? Thanks
Marjorie Jacksonlooks much cuter these days. I wasn't sure that was her at first when I checked out her instagram. Thanks for the heads up Colen
JoyAnna is used to cameras for every, intimate moment of her life. She doesn't understand that she can have a private life. All about the show.
It seems to me what 123 meant about Austin should know better is just that he didn't grow up with a camera crew around all day sharing every detail of his life to the public.
I think JLW & Mia both had good points of view. I don't know if the photos were sold or not. However if they had only just put out a statement regarding their loss, they would not need to contend with people asking about the pregnancy, due date, Joy's health. The many things that a lot of pregnant women put up with. To me, the only reason for any pictures on instagram were for the publicity. They certainly had to be aware of the media uproar over Joy being rushed to the hospital for the birth of her son, when it was finally discovered that the baby was not in the correct position. She was never going to deliver that baby, unless it was by emergency C-secion. The Duggars must be keenly aware of the publicity the various aspects of their lives bring, so it was a certainty that those pictures would be made public. Yes it's heartbreaking to see Joy & Austin in those pictures. I realize nothing of the baby is really shown, except the bonnet & teddy bear, but still people are keenly aware that this is a dead baby Joy is holding. Joy & Austin are the ones that put the pictures where the public would have access to them. To me it's simply an issue of publicity or privacy.
Just curious, all I meant was since Austin didn’t grow up with a camera crew in his house he should know what is normal family privacy means regardless of his parents’ religious beliefs.
Weren't Austin and his parents on a reality show?
https://www.lifeandstylemag.com/posts/amy-duggars-pregnancy-counting-on-star-shares-funny-update/
Seriously? Do these women have zero filter for keeping private medical issues, private? Of course, the world needs to know about Amy Duggar's kidney and urinary issues. Big news Amy! Yes, every single woman who has been pregnant knows this. Does the world need this update? Do the Duggars just think that they are so awesome that the world needs updates of their "special" pregnancy issues?
You must be new here.
They became extreme hypocrites from day one and have done pathetic things for money as far as having integrity goes and joy Anna is just a dumb programmed brood mare like anna and all the others. Shes just a kid following her parents orders. (To drive the point home let's remember him Bob telling jill to use the phone next to the bed to inform him when they had conceived, creepy af no doubt)(
We thought jinger might break free but she is just the same bird in a bigger cage.
Do I think they did NOT sell the pictures?
I wasn't there so I dont know but based on quite a documented history the odds are against it.
Bottom line- if they did not want the pictures out there they would NOT be out there....
Duggar sisters privacy lawsuit can proceed
A federal appeals court has ruled that a lawsuit filed by sisters Jill,Jessa, Jinger and Joy can proceed against an Arkansas city that released confidential information about their alleged sexual abuse by a brother.
The Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled Friday that the stars had an expectation of privacy when officials from the city of Springdale and Washington County, Arkansas, investigated allegations that Josh sexually abused them.
Headlines say Duggar's Are Selling $1.5 Million Home With Massive Gun Room
I agree with what Pickles said in regards to the lawsuit the Duggar girls filed... that officials just followed what Arkansas state regulations required at the time of the release of the report;everything seems to have been handled legally according to Arkansas law. While the girls identities were easily figured out the law needs to be changed for future cases to protect a minor's privacy completely in things they have no control over. The Duggar girls should use this situation to get current Arkansas laws changed to protect children. "What was done to them can't be undone but they can use what they have been through to not seek revenge but to change Arkansas laws for all children."
These are not allegations against Josh.He has admitted them.If they were just allegations,there likely wouldn't be a lawsuit.
I hope someone buys the mansion with a gun room,and changes the room into a wine cellar.LOL
Per: " Tondo said...
Headlines say Duggar's Are Selling $1.5 Million Home With Massive Gun Room
7/13/2019 9:40 AM"
It's a house the Duggars flipped. https://people.com/home/jim-bob-michelle-duggar-flip-house-for-sale/
RE: Elle's comment. I agree that this would be the perfect opportunity to make the proper changes in the AR. law to protect minors. However, if you think, for even a minute that the Duggars young women(lead by Captain "Tater Tot) would do this just to help future victims, sadly you are wrong. They are in it to win it, again for the $$$$$. I'm sorry to sound so mean but this is how they roll. Josh tried everything in his power to sue everyone he could when he was clearly not the victim when it came to revelations about prostitutes, being addicted to porn, etc. These good Christians want to prove they are in the right, they are not there to help anyone else.
Just heard that Joy is staying at the compound. I’m hoping she isn’t suffering from depression.
Joy will be dealing with some level of postpartum depression, but I hope it's not too extreme. It seems like she has a supportive husband. She didn't expect to be delivering a baby halfway through her pregnancy. Several sisters and sisters-in-law are also due around her own due date. Attending all those baby showers for other Duggar babies will be so hard for her. She's probably not used to the opportunity to grieve privately. She's had a camera in her face for most of her life. Some things don't need to be shared with perfect strangers.
Amy posting pics of her unclothed pregnant belly in a bathing suit at the beach.
Dying laughing inside at thinking of him Bob and meechelles reaction.
Maybe joy Anna is depressed.
delivering a baby that is not living is pretty horrible, she's probably being greatly helped emotionally being around the females in her family.
Just really hope there isnt too.much talk of a new baby and she does what's best for her and her family.
it's best she heals from this instead of masking the pain and hurt with someone else. Plus gideon needs her too.
JoyAnna probably is depressed, after all, the only attention she merits is success with pregnancy and child birth. That is the the only self esteem allowed in this family. Or getting the wife pregnant. How depressing, everyone else is having a baby...
One question, if she wasn't on birth control, how can JB and Michelle blame birth control for Michelle's miscarriage?
Re:Mickey2942's comment about if Joy wasn't on birth control how can JB & Michelle blame birth control for Michelle's miscarriage? Because JB & Michelle always go way back to after Josh was born, but before Jana & John birth, that's the miscarriage they focus on. I've never heard them say a word about the miscarriage that Anna had sometime ago. I don't know how much they have spoken about Josiah & Lauren's miscarriage either, but not much I think. They have always used Michelle's first miscarriage as the basis for their "Christian Belief" about the use of birth control pills. They discovered this as their platform to speak in their church & other venues that would pay them to speak about the horrors of birth control. They will always revert to "Michelle's tragic miscarriage." I've never heard them say that following the miscarriage, then God blessed them with twins. I know another baby will never make up for the lost child, but it was pretty awesome that they then had twins, a girl & a boy, following the miscarriage. Also, they preach about the birth control pill that Michelle was taking. I never understood why other forms of birth control were also eliminated. Why did it have to be never any type of birth control ever?
I personally found it disgusting that Michelle had her "fertility" calendar right on display in the kitchen for everyone to see and discuss. Really? This family didn't only try to not have children, they actively planned to have as many as possible.
As far as JB and Michelle having the amount of children THEY wanted: Yes, I agree. I think the hypocrisy is so obvious. I think that is probably one of the first things people noticed about them. They said their belief was as many as God gave them but that was not what they practiced. According to what they were actually doing, they were just as wrong as people who had LESS children by choice. More or less children, either way, is not leaving it up to God. They wanted lots of children on purpose, for whatever reason, but they were using their faith as an excuse. IMO, planning pregnancy around nursing, weaning and fertility charts is not leaving it up to God. IMO, if you want a very large family, just own it.
Totally agree willow. It really bothers me how they act shocked and amazed that a baby comes from sex, which they do on purpose a lot to purposefully have a baby.
I have never seen normal people ever act like this about pregnancy.
Also none of them go in ro an a actual job and they calls themselves servants hearts and all but I dont see them actually giving back to the community. They post stupid things online.
I work 65 hours a week and have packets to sign to volunteer for hospice and at the animal shelter, local events etc, I usually dont last too long because of my work schedule and fatigue.
I envy their free time, it allows them to do SO much for others as they are always saying. But they want us to see them getting coffee pr eating at chuck filet.
They really come off as a joke. Not selfless servants of Christ. He would laugh at people with fleet of rvs, planes and toys who really just judge other who are like them.
With Regards to Willow's comments: You are spot on with regards to JB and Michelle NOT leaving the number of children up to God. If that was the case, they would NOT have posted her fertility calendar on the fridge for everyone to see. I have always felt like their "story" didn't add up. Also, look at Josh and Anna. They have done the same thing. I remember when they were trying (yes trying) to get pregnant with the third one. They WANTED another one and were so disappointed when the pregnancy test she took showed not pregnant........that was in the early days. That was not leaving it up to God. If you are leaving it up to God, you are not taking pregnancy tests just about every time you "do it". You wait and see what happens. There is so much about this family that just isn't what they are trying to sell the general public. You see the same thing with the Bates family. Everything revolves about marriage, pregnancy and babies. My heart absolutely breaks for Michael. How hard it must be fore her and her husband watching all of her sisters having babies, and they are struggling with fertility issues. I do have to say that it seems like her husband is a great guy and very supportive etc. However, on the flip side.......if these families are indeed trusting God with the size of their families, they would also trust when He chooses not to bless them with children. So, long story short. In my mind the only trust they have is in themselves and working as hard as they can to have as many kids as they can.
https://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2019/03/jill-duggar-is-she-incapable-of-having-more-children/amp/
https://okmagazine.com/photos/jill-duggar-husband-derick-dillard-impossible-pregnancy-fertility-issues/
Well, I guess Derrick just let the cat out of the bag. Two children is actually plenty. Jill can actually pay attention to them, not pawn them off on "Sister Moms".
I don’t understand why a photo of a dead baby is a bad thing. When a new baby is born, everyone wants to see it. Just because the baby isn’t living doesn’t change that. We don’t destroy every photo ever taken of someone when they die and then pretend like they never existed. Besides that, the photo that was published didn’t even show the baby. It showed Austin & Joy in a sad moment of their life. If a photo of that wasn’t released, people would be complaining that Austin & Joy were acting like nothing happened or that the miscarriage wasn’t a big deal. They can’t win, really.
This must be very hard on Joy, though, to lose her baby, her first daughter, so soon after losing her grandma. I really hope she is allowed time to grieve and not forced to “stay sweet” and pretend like she’s fine.
Mickey2942: the media is playing with words to create sensationalism here. Derrick said it would be biologically impossible for Jill to have a baby *this year*. I’m assuming because she’s either not pregnant right now, or she is but she isn’t due until sometime in 2020.
https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/why-counting-on-fans-are-worried-about-josie-duggar.html/
Like her education really matters. She will be married off, to stay at home and have babies.
I believe yesterday, July 19, was Felicity’s 1 year birthday and the Duggar’s didn’t post a birthday message.
I think it was disgusting for Mechelle and Jimboob to have a fertility list plastered on the Fridge ...all the while telling their kids that you have to wait til your married for any action. Talk about messing with your kids heads. Just Not Right!
I'm guessing Joy will be pregnant again,asap,and that will be her way of dealing with it.I'm sure all the new births will be upsetting to her,but I also think she'll have another on the way by then.Jmo
Very perceptive. No wonder Josh was confused. And very interested in girls. He was raised in a small house, no doubt he could hear his parents in the small church donated house.
laura said...
Also none of them go in ro an a actual job and they calls themselves servants hearts and all but I dont see them actually giving back to the community.
I have thought this very thing. They have fans who follow what they do so why don't they do something to create a wave of people rushing out to help others. (They should help widows, like the Bible teaches in several places.)
1.) Bubbles said...RE: Austin & Joy.... the photo that was published didn’t even show the baby. It showed Austin & Joy in a sad moment of their life. If a photo of that wasn’t released, people would be complaining that Austin & Joy were acting like nothing
happened or that the miscarriage wasn’t a big deal. They can’t win, really.
2.) Bubbles said... Derrick said it would be biologically impossible for Jill to have a baby *this year*. I’m assuming because she’s either not pregnant right now, or she is but she isn’t due until sometime in 2020.
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Bubbles, in the immortal words of Yogi Bear "you are "sharper than the average bear".
RE: what Mickey2942 said... No wonder Josh was confused. And very interested in girls. He was raised in a small house, no doubt he could hear his parents in the small church donated house.
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And Josh probably saw a lot in that house, since Jim Bob was nasty right there in front of his daughter and her fiance....and the whole world (for the camera filming it at mini-golf). I think JB is insecure, trying to show the world that he isn't a dweeb; afterall he got the young hot cheerleader and all those kids are proof positive she is crazy about him.
https://www.npr.org/2019/07/21/743926857/evangelical-writer-who-influenced-purity-culture-announces-separation-from-wife
This is very interesting. The man who influenced the concept of "Courtship" and "purity" for marriage is getting a divorce. And admits that his whole premise of not dating anyone else, having a courtship and marriage, didn't work out well. This is huge.
Bubbles, that is where my mind went right away too. Plus if/when she gets pregnant it will be their "miracle baby." *insert eyeroll here*
Maybe y'all already know this but it was news to me that Jeremy is allegedly having trouble with "impure thoughts" and had t ok delete the internet from his phone and give control of his social media to Jinger. That must be great for her self esteem. Of course that's IF this is true. It's in this article https://radaronline.com/photos/jinger-duggar-pants-red-carpet-hollywood-discovery-serengeti-premiere/
Jill got her hair professionally done by Jessa's sister-in-law in Little Rock. That is about 200 miles from Tontitown. It is much cuter as it isn't stuck to her head. (Cheatsheet is confused and said it is Jill's sister-in-law. Oh, well.)
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Jinger wore pants on the red carpet Hollywood - Serengeti Premiere. Not her best look unlike most of her other cute clothes. Her clothes and her hair looks like she was cleaning house when she suddenly decided to go and had 10 minutes to get ready. And Jeremy, Jeremy, Jeremy....go for classic styles so Felicity won't fall out laughing at her old dad in her teen years. Been there, done that! ROFLMAO https://radaronline.com/photos/jinger-duggar-pants-red-carpet-hollywood-discovery-serengeti-premiere/
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Anna finds the best of a situation.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B0IIWhFH9id/
There is no way to know whether Joy is "depressed," but it is natural and healthy that she is grieving. Whatever we might think about the wisdom of these women popping out one baby after another with little rest in between, it is clear that THEY want these children, and it is perfectly normal that one grieves the loss of a loved and wanted baby. And even if she does get pregnant again as soon as she's able, she's going to have some normal anxiety during the next pregnancy, and will be more grateful than your average mother for another healthy child. Many women who lose a child to miscarriage or stillbirth refer to the next healthy child as their "rainbow" baby. I'm not sure why.
I thought Jinjer looked really cute at the Serengeti premiere. She was well put together, her hair was combed, and everything fit. That's an accomplishment for anyone in that family.
HistorianMom - the reason we call the next baby a “rainbow baby” is that the baby is seen as the calm after the storm, like a rainbow after the rain. That there is still hope and beauty
I think Jinger looks cute as well.She rocks the jacket and pants nicely
https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/a-former-19-kids-and-counting-crew-member-spilled-tea-on-the-famous-family.html/
Interesting. Apparently JB got upset when a child, (probably Josh), was in the bathroom for TOO LONG! This family is all kinds of messed up.
Mickey2942, that article reminded us of the interest cameraman Frank (name?) had in Jana. As I recall, he was an upbeat smiling kind of guy. Good looking man. I doubt that they would have "courted" but it's still kinda sad. I wonder if she ever thinks of him?
I read about the son 'in the bathroom too long'. Jim Bob tied his hands together for a time as punishment. The kid had to walk around the house like that in front of everyone. I think that is an awful thing to do to your child or anyone. These people are not a 'great or Godly' as their fans make them out to be. They can be and I think, were cruel parents at times.
All those stories show is how Gothardism and especially as implemented by Jim Bob is ruled by fear and not grace. It's Gothardism not Christianity.
Josie Bates had a girl last week, Erin and Whitney are both having girls.
Wow. That is terrible.
Too bad. Apparently the Duggars were allowed to choose each other, but their children were not allowed the same freedom.
It looks like Michelle got a crew member fired...what a nice gal. Not.
https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/counting-on-did-michelle-duggar-once-get-a-gay-crew-member-fired.html/
I take many of the camera crew stories with a grain of salt. The reason behind the hand being tied is a presumption. The boy could have been up to anything. The crew member didn't get fired from TLC, but moved to another show. Michelle said the girls watched the calendar like a hawk not that there was an actual calendar in view of everyone. I know the Duggars believe awful things but sensationalizing and exaggerating doesn't help. Then, many of us took the story of Josh with a grain of salt, too. You just don't know.
I was glad to read about Derick having a summer job in Little Rock. I am sure Jill and the boys are enjoying the break in routine. I hope he will be able to get a real job after law school and stick with it. His family deserves that, IMO.
I hope to god that Jana is courting and they went out with Seewalds to visit Jinger and Jeremy. It’ll tick me off if Jana was used as childcare for Jessa’s blessings and made to unpack or decorate for Vuluo’s.
I really agree with you "Give Me a Break". It ticks me off too. Even more so the fact that Jana's friend Laura was with them again. Then she apparently went off to work in Vegas for a trade show or something. I don't think we know if Jana went with her to Vegas or stayed with the Vuolo's. Jana had posted a pic of Spurgeon and then so did Laura, so I figured they were together over the weekend. I'm not sure why this makes me so mad but it always does. I really feel Laura is trying to be famous through Jana. I just hope its Jana's choice and it is not pushed on her. As far as babysitting for the Seewalds, I wish it wasn't true but I have a sinking feeling it is true. Jana should be able to go to L.A. and visit without the Seewalds at the same time. Grrr. These people really get on my last nerve sometimes. I need to get a life lol.
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