Free Discussion, December, 2019

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127 comments:

Ellie On a Roll said...

Maybe the reason none of the adult married children and families, except “sex pest & family” attended the Duggar Thanksgiving is because they realized the gravy train of illegal activities is about to implode. The IRS or some other agency may have froze all of JB and Michelle’s assists and accounts, since it sounds like there’s been money laundering. That means the TLC money roll JB doles out is going to be tied up for awhile. This could get very interesting.

Sierra said...

My husband swears he saw Jeremy on a Lowe’s commercial this afternoon. It wouldn’t surprise me one bit. I also see that Jinger has a Jingerdonut coming out at a gluten-free bakery in LA. Add this to The Cameo videos they are doing for $40 & $60 a pop. Pretty exciting times for those two!

Z said...

Well Josh & his family love on the Duggar compound so not surprised they attended Thanksgiving with JB & M. Basically Josh is controlled by JB & since the scandal must continually march to the beat of JB’s drum. Leave & cleave no longer apply to Josh.

Sparkey said...

With so many of the married Duggar’s choosing not to follow the rules of JB & M it’s becoming obvious the fundie way of life doesn’t work it’s too restrictive meaning not promoting education, not allowing TV, not allowing h women to choose the way they want to dress, not allowing women to cut their hair, not allowing a college education or women to have a career. It’s CULT behavior. JB & M worship Gothard & the ridiculous rules & not God.

Willow said...

I guess Jeremy wasn't getting enough attention just being a seminary student. They don't seem to talk about that anymore.

Unknown said...

Regarding the comment about the married women starting to dress a little different etc., what I am waiting for is to see one of them cut their hair.

Bloom said...

Yes especially Michelle’s nasty looking long hair it’s disgusting & ages her appearance.

JenTru said...

From Josh and Anna's Christmas picture on her Instagram: What have they done to McKynzie's hair? The poor girl looks like she has a wig on. I initially thought it was another adult and was trying to figure out who it was. ***just found out they were messing around with wigs,please let this be the case! Apparently Ben wears one in their picture although I didn't see that ***

Ellie On a Roll said...

It appears the Duggar dynasty is crumbling.
-The “investigation” continues (sexpest, medicorpgate, human trafficking, tax invasion)
-Jinger loses her “frodonut” gig out in LA when the owners find out about her background
-Dillweed spills the secret that he’s penning a book on the Duggars during his weekends and time off from school
-Austin is getting sued for shoddy work on a house he flipped
-The ratings for CO is plummeting

Ashleigh said...

Question if counting on gets canceled will jimbob and michelle still be able to afford to keep the Duggar compound and maintain all the families financially

What is going on? said...

I see it mentioned about human trafficking and tax evasion. Is that speculation or fact? I haven't ever read it anywhere except here, so I am curious.

Not a Mocker said...

So apparently Derek is writing a tell all book and, well honestly, I feel like it should be Jill writing it as it’s her family and her story.

But I also don’t know how credible his version of the story would be based off of how often he changes his story. And I don’t just mean the “missionary to accountant to missionary to pastor in training to law school” part of the story.
TLC says the fired him and then Jill quits in solidarity. Then Derek says they were never fired, that they quit because it felt hypocritical to be on a channel that also promotes transgenderism. And then they couldn’t really be fired because they were all volunteers. But then they weren’t volunteers because Jim Bob has the contract for all of them (aka all the money went to him first and given out as JB saw fit). At one point Jill said they stepped down so they could spend more time with their children and focus on their family but they might be back one day.

I don’t think I could believe anything written in Dereks book just based on how many times the story of being cut off from TLC has changed.

Willow said...

This is news to me about Derick's book but I am not surprised. I heard/read about the rumors of the car lot but do we know what that is about yet? Josh is involved in a real estate lawsuit of some sort and so is Austin. Have there been any more rumors about MediCorps? I just don't want to miss anything, lol. IMO, Jeremy should stick to what he knows and started with - being a famous mega preacher. Then his past sermons won't haunt him. I am happy for his friend Luis and his soccer deal. He seemed like a sweet person on the show. Wow, if Derick writes a book, Jill will probably be banned from her family. So sad. It has to be done, however, as I am sure Derick has some important facts to set straight. I am ok with the Duggars having a show if they want to, but it may get a little sketchy soon.

Beyond said...

Frankly I hope Derick will write a book but he is so scatter brained not sure if Derick will be honest about the content.

Levy said...

Law school is very demanding how does Derick have the time to write a tell all book? Is Derick still in law school? I mean he jumps from one thing to another. Derick appears to have difficulty to focus or just a short attention span?

Sick & Tired said...

Why are these Duggar girls taking castor oil to help labor? I remember grandmothers taking about taking it the fifties. Not ever heard about castor being used these days. I am also sick & tired of Jim Bob Michelle being in every episode.

Wondering said...

At the gender reveal for Josiah & Lauren's baby that was some house her parents live in. What does her dad do for a living?

Heart in Florida said...

The only "Duggar secret" that will be included in Derick's 'tell-all' book, is the secret ingredient in tater tot casserole that gives it that great flavor they all love. My opinion is that his book will focus on Pistol Pete, his time in Nepal and the 'adventures' in Central America playing missionary. I doubt it will reveal anything we don't already know about his in-laws. I'm not getting excited about this yet.

Z said...

The mission of the Gothard Cult is to always objectify & minimize women & female children.

Gem said...

Surprised jerk Jim Bob allowed the gender reveal of Lauren & Josiah’s baby to be held at the home of Lauren’s parents.

Size said...

Why is TLC permitting Jim Bob & Michelle so much air time? Clearly JB is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. JB’s mission in life is to imprison the minds of women. To limit the education of children & to impose his dictatorship wannabe rules on everyone doing so with a smile. JB is one sick person. If he had continued to pursue politics meaning running for higher office he may have wanted to run for President that would have been a nightmare as he would have really brought women Down, forced the Gothard way of life & probably would have eliminated public education, destroyed colleges & all of women’s reproductive rights. JB is dangerous, toxic & TLC needs to prevent Michelle & JB from
appearing on Counting On.

Bee said...

OMG I hope Derick will air all of the junk he’s learned about the Duggars especially Jim
Bob’s controlling & abusive behavior of his kids & more truth about Josh. I’ve always believed JB is hiding something nefarious.

Mickey2942 said...

Interesting. "Fronut Gate". Jinger is no longer a social promoter for the brand. And her Instagram followers are not really the type to be buying Rebecca Minkoff dresses. There has been some major backlash there.

Jinger and Jeremy look absolutely "staged" right down to their matching outfits for every promo picture. I think that if Jinger wants to be a "Social Promoter" she needs to identify her "brand" and who she is...unless she is just happy following the Duggar party line, which is actually pretty offensive to mainstream media and most people. No inclusivity for gays, transgender, non Christians, Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, Muslims, Jewish people...homeschooling, have as many children as possible...is that who "Jinger" is?

Marites H. said...

Derrick will write the book.
People will buy the book, wanting to read all the dirty secrets of Duggarville.
Derrick will get a nice royalty check, laughing all the way to the bank.
People will read the book and find out it's mostly about Derrick.

Jingles said...

So bored of Jim Bobs aw shucks attempt to get viewers on his side. He’s an epic failure at PR!!

sandi said...

JB did try to run for a higher office,but he was easily beaten.I don't feel any kind of threat to America'sway of life from this cult.They are laughable at best

Aunt Bea said...

I'd like to know how lawn-mowing Mr. Swanson can afford such a grand home with all the children they have? I think they purchased from Jim Bob when they moved to Arkansas.

Willow said...

Can any one please tell me where they saw the news about Derick writing a book? Did he admit it himself? I am just curious because I missed it somehow. I am really hoping its true, however, but I am also skeptical that it could be more hype than actual facts. I will be anxious to see and I hope it comes out soon.

Beyond said...

I know of a few people who were home schooled but definitely in a non religious way. The Gothard method of home schooling is fraught with deception & does not present a clear reality of history of the USA. It’s all about Gothard & the fundie way of life limiting women & female.children. It’s about Gothard himself & not about God therefore the Gothard way of life is about a Cult. Gothard home schooling is not a smart method of educating children as is evident in some of the Duggar kids who still struggle with reading, vocabulary & communicative skills.

Shelli said...

I find it funny that all Jinger’s fans are in an uproar over her 2 lost endorsements. They are asking why poor, sweet Jinger has to punished for her family and brother’s sins. Guess it hasn’t occurred to them that Jeremy is Jinger’s biggest stumbling block right now. He preaches hate every time he opens his mouth. People talk about how progressive Jeremy is (oh my! he allows Jinger to wear pants!!) but he still refers to the Catholic religion as “demonic”. A lot of people sat up and took notice of that one and it’s not going away as this idiot is so in love with himself he tapes/videos everything he says.
Just because Jinger learned how to do her hair and makeup like women her own age and doesn’t dress like a cult member anymore doesn’t make her a social influencer. Nothing special here folks. She would get lost at a PTA meeting because she looks like every other mommy. Why does this family think the name Duggar holds such weight and influence? Are there really that many stupid, gullible people out there? It’s a mystery to me

Willow said...

I agree that the Swanson home is very beautiful. I love it. I think Dwain Swanson has more going on than "lawn mowing" (which I didn't know about). Interesting. He runs some kind of seminar/conference type activities for Christian men - at least that is what I have seen mentioned several times. Also, I think his family had a farm with some property and one or more homes, where they lived in GA. That could possibly be playing into his income as well. No doubt, though, he could have easily got some real estate "deals" from JB, as they are obviously very close friends. I am really curious, though, how Josiah makes his living, aside from TLC money of course. He is supposedly a pilot but I never see much posted about him actually flying anywhere. Does he work at the car lots? Just seems vague, as usual for the D men. I was wondering if he was maybe working for Mr. Swanson in some capacity.

Levy said...

Was JB aware that he was easily defeated? My guess is no. JB & M live in the world of Cult pretend land. JB’s education (he chose) is extremely limited. I also believe JB’s IQ is low as well. The fact that JB is promoting one of his sons to run for office is s huge joke. With the exposer of the Duggar’s on TV & their fundie lifestyle I believe the voters in Arkansas will never take the Duggar’s seriously. The Duggars have proven to be dishonest, contradictory, obsessed with physical contact, pregnancy & avoidance of education. Their reputation is definitely NOT STELLAR!

Annie said...

As far as how Josiah made money...According to his Facebook page (this was a few days ago) his only posts were for cars that he was selling. I don't know how any of the the boys in that family make ANY of the money that those families are living on. Do the daughters-in-law that deliver in the hospital have insurance? This whole family is mind boggling. The IRS investigation has got to be about money laundering. Too bad that we most likely will never know the full story. If they want a public life, they should be ready to give more details at all times...

Size said...

The fact that Dwain Swanson is a friend of Jim Bob gives me pause about his character. The fact is the Swanson’s bought into the Gothard fundie Cult so they are just as nuts as the Duggar’s.

sandi said...

Yes,JB was aware that he was easily defeated.It was their first book.Surprisingly,he said he was very humbled by it.
I think that was the election he invested 100K of his own personal money,which was controversial as I think it was said they lived in the church home and accepted hand ourt at the time

Z said...

I don’t believe there’s an ounce of humility within the character of Jim Bob Duggar. He’s self absorbed & does his best to fool everyone. Jim Bob believes his beliefs are the only ones that God honors. What he really means is that Gothard honors. JB’s values specific to women are so archaic & skewed. JB often proves he’s not an honest person. JB & M often contradict their beliefs as it suits them. Their fundie way of life is not a success.

Levy said...

Because Derick has often floundered re a career I don’t see him completing law school. He has a short attention span. Maybe he & Jill will again become pretend missionaries?

Sparkey said...

When JB & M are in front of the camera they do their best to come off as as perfect couple & they aren’t fooling viewers. Each week these Counting On episodes are becoming more & more the same. Not surprised the numbers are depleting. I mean how many gender reveals will TLC air SO BORING!!

Mickey2942 said...

You mean, "Missioncations" or "Vacationaries"?

Gem said...

Jim Bobs views on birth control is born out of stupidity & ignorance not on medical science. Initially I believe JB made up the scenario that birth control causes loss of a child. He did so just to suit his own sick beliefs JB barely finished HS & he sorely lacks education on so many levels.

Willow said...

I feel JB would not have amounted to much at all without his mom's help and the TV show help. I am not so sure that his mom wasn't a key factor in obtaining the TV show anyway. You are right, he is NOT smart.

Ellie On a Roll said...

A couple thoughts...

The “Us Girls” ? Is that the Duggar child bride/ baby mamas version of a “clique? Oh, I’m betting Jessa Agressa is heading up that group!

Ben needs to be a man and go buy a gross of condoms. Seriously, at this rate and the way Jessa Agressa births these babies on the sofa, Ben is headed towards being a widower in the near future.

On that note, what would become of Ben and his baseball team if something terrible happens to Jessa Agressa? Would Jimbob offer up another Duggar child bride? Jana or Johanna? This could get pretty darn creepy.

Lauren said...

The show should really be named “Counting On JimBob and Mechelle to ruin an already tanking” show.

Sierra said...

Looks like Vanity Planet is partnering with Jana. She peddling a hand held completion device. I wonder if she realizes it could possibly look like a vibrator? Seriously, is the company or someone toying with Miss Jana?? LMAO

Gem said...

After Jessa gave birth this is the 2nd time she was transported to the hospital to stop the bleeding. It appears both Jessa & Ben are very cavalier about their health & most definitely about the health of an unborn child. I believe this behavior began when Anna gave birth at home because her Doc was out of town. Ole JB pounced on this opportunity to save money & avoid hospital costs. So once his daughters married he decided to encourage home births or perhaps insist on home births. I’ve noticed the Bates girls always go to the hospital to give birth & they arrange pre natal care. With home births & avoiding pre natal care these Duggar girls are playing a dangerous game which one day may cause a horrific situation.

Not a Mocker said...

Why can’t the Duggar kids even get a birthday to themselves?
I ask cause Jim Bob and Michelle took Josie to Cracker Barrel for her birthday - along with the three of her sisters!

I have friends that have “larger” families (like 4-6 kids) and while each kid gets a birthday party they also get a dinner out with just Mom and Dad. No siblings. Extra special just mom and dad time.

Heart in Florida said...

"Us girls"? It's "we girls". These people are undereducated. They seem to think that they know more than they need to know in life. It's sad that they are missing out on so much that is NOT sinful, bad or harmful in any way. They have a narrow path in life all dictated by some old man who has a foot fettish and their extreme parents.

Size said...

Good for Jana. However greedy jerk Jim Bob will not permit adult Jana to retain the money she will makes JB will devise some idiotic plan to take Jana’s money such as conveying to her that she still lives at at home & is not married.Good ole JB always stating the obvious.

Who Knows said...

Re:Gem's comment about JB seeing an opportunity to save money by avoiding hospital costs. That could possibly be one reason but I am more inclined to think that he saw the opportunity for a large increase in viewers who couldn't wait to see one of these home births actually go wrong. No Dr. no skilled midwife, just Jill & Michelle when the home births first started. It could also be a competition between the girls. If my sister can give birth at home there's no reason I can't also. So who knows with the way they think. After all, why do people think JB would be responsible for a hospital bill for one of his married daughters or for a daughter-in-laws bill.It wouldn't be JB's responsibility to pay the hospital bill for the delivery of a grandchild, or care of his married daughter, or pay for prenatal care for any of the girls. All I know is these young women play fast & loose with their lives as well as the lives of these blessings they so desperately want.

Heart in Florida said...

I'd like to know why it's 'ok' for Jed! to live away from his parents' home at his young age but not permissible for 30 year old Jana to have her own place? How do they explain this?

Pam said...

Does it creep anyone else out that Michelle reports the vaginal status of her daughter-in-laws over the phone ??? What business is it of Jimbob Duggar?? What a pervert. I can’t believe these women allow Michelle anywhere near their birth setting. She’s zero help, annoying as hell, and a know-nothing that’s just in the way. Kendra’s mom, on the hand, I would welcome with open arms!!!!

Heart in Florida said...

I thought the same thing about Michelle commenting on Laura's 'vaginal status' during labor. What the heck does Jim Bob need to know such detail? It is not HIS WIFE who is delivering; it's his daughter-in-law. How can these people pretend to be 'modest'?

Levy said...

Jed living away from the Duggar compound is all about JB’s political strategy. JB is choosing to convey a deceptive way for voters to believe he actually supports his kids moving before they are married. It’s just a temporary ruse. Once the election ends ole Jed will move back home.

Wonder why said...

Re: Heart in Florida's comment about Jed being allowed to live away from the family home but not Jana. It was the same story with John David. People might remember that he did work for the bank in exchange for a home they gave him. He fixed up the home but JB didn't allowed him to live in it because he wasn't married. He was a lot older than Jed now is when this took place. There's must be some method in JB's madness with letting Jed move out.

Mickey2942 said...

Creepy. JB is really sex obsessed. There have been so many "cringe worthy" moments on "19 kids".

1. Mini golf...stop it!
2. Michelle on "Special Sandwich Making"...no, just...no.
3. The "talk" with Josh before the wedding...ugh. The "book".

sandi said...

Jb is anxious to get the Duggar name back into politics.I agree it's just a temp. thing,and Jed will be back in the compound once all is said and done.
As for any of the young ladies doing the same thing,nope,it would be considered too immodest for them to be independent and live on their own.Almost like a career woman,can't have that.Jmo

Mickey2942 said...

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/tv/counting-on-why-some-fans-are-concerned-by-this-photo-of-anna-duggars-baby.html/

Oh, "Bow Baby" what is with the Duggars obsession with gigantic bows on top of babies heads?! This poor girl, I agree, she looks a bit peaked, maybe it is the color of the outfit, but she doesn't look too healthy to me.

Josh and Anna now have six children. Six kids, two parents who are unemployed and uneducated. Josh is being investigated by the Department of Homeland Security, and who knows what else...Merry Christmas, this just breaks my heart.

Bee said...

JB’s plan to re-enter politics will be an epic failure. JB’s presence & behavior on TV will be his downfall. Voters don’t want to elect dumb candidates.

Penny said...

Why is anyone watching Jim Boob and Mechelle again? They are not supposed to be on the “show”. They are destroying what little is left of watching the offspring of this ignorant cult.

Judy said...

I think Lauren's birth was one of the mos painful I've seen. The baby wasn't in the right position and neither of her epidurals took -- I didn't like how the anesthesiologist wouldn't give her another one or try to figure out why they weren't working. And she is SO young to have dealt with such an agonizing two days, but she will suddenly be pregnant again next year.
I really wish they would show these births on tv in the hour they normally give but I guess the audience isn't high enought. All the bits and pieces are so disjointed when shown on line.

Y2K said...

Does anyone think that if & when Counting On is cancelled the frequent Duggar pregnancies will continue? I’ve often thought these Duggar women choose to become pregnant solely for the TV program? I could be incorrect but it’s something that’s always bothered me,

Z said...

Well apparently TLC believes JB & M are great for TV. However not sure how TLC arrived at this conclusion. Perhaps JB begged TLC for air time? The fact that JB & M are still on TV is disgusting. When these 2 are on TV I press Mute or change the channel. I refuse listening to their toxic dribble.

sandi said...

Y2K,Idk but I do think Jb tells them to jump on the baby train while they can.Anna is the only one I sense really wants a lot of kids.I think Jessa is happy now that she has a girl.Not sure if Jill can have anymore.She seems to be taking awhile.I think Joy will be having another soon,if she isn't pregnant again already.Jinger and Jeremy I don't sense want a lot of kids.Jmo

Z said...

I think Anna’s way of holding on to Josh is to continually have more kids. I believe she does so perhaps out of fear that he will again cheat. What a fearful & horrible way to live. She doesn’t know any better way.

Ellie On a Roll said...

Does anyone know a logical reason for Jeremy’s mouth to hang open in 80% of photos he’s in? It’s very annoying to say the least.

Has anyone heard Felicity talk? Anything more than ma or da? What about giggling, babbling or making sounds? Have we seen her walking independently? We rarely see much other than her posed like a prop in an advertisement. She’s 15 months old now. Interesting and possibly concerning.

Stephanie from Virginia said...

I must disagree Judy. Lauren’s doctor did do a third epidural because the first and second ones were working. He had lost his patience with her and who could blame him. She’s a very needy, Whitney, immature woman and Josiah and Michelle are completely enabling her to act this way. Depending on the dosage you do feel some discomfort and you are able to push during your contractions but you aren’t pain free. She was exaggerating her pain that’s why the doctor was done with with her.
Josiah acted ridiculous jumping around yelling at others to put the fan in her face and he straddled all over her the entire time. Jill shoving ice chips in her face And someone shoving a wet cloth on her head. But she soaked up every minute of it.
Anyone who assigns a gender and names a late period isn’t above wasting a doctors time.

Stephanie from Virginia said...

We all knew it but Michelle reminded us last week that the scriptures tell her (and us) that a woman’s hair is her glory. Kinda weird hearing her actually say it out loud. My 77 year old mother who is fighting demetiA said “it does say that in the Bible” meanwhile I must roll my eyes at Michelle and my poor old mom who believes this stuff.

Stephanie from Virginia said...

Bloom it’s her “glory”

Levy said...

OMG so Michelle & Jill we’re present for the birth of Lauren’s baby girl. These 2 probably caused Lauren more anxiety & she’s such a needy girl. Where was Lauren’s Mom?

Mickey2942 said...

I believe that JB saw the "money train" when TLC first had them on, "12 kids and counting". After that, Michelle had a baby every year.

Jillian said...

I think most of us here are not fans of the Duggars' religious bigotry, to put it mildly, but that should not mean we judge them for things in ordinary life. Lauren experienced back labour for which epidurals do not always work. It is the doctor's job to help someone in her position, even if it gets to a point where only moral support is possible.

Willow said...

I must have missed the third epidural for Lauren. I only caught the caption that said Lauren was given "medication" to help her relax between contractions. Lauren, Josiah and Michelle all bugged the heck out of me, however. Lauren's mom was there but seemed pushed to the side. If I was Lauren, I would have asked Michelle to politely get my mom. Kendra, Joe and Mrs. Caldwell, however, were not irritating at all. They were able to keep Michelle at bay a little better.

double bubble said...

Levy, Michelle with her ever present overly calm irritating voice and a camera crew was most certainly part of the reason Lauren couldn't relax during labor. If Lauren and Josiah got paid by tlc for filming the birth then shame on Josiah for exploiting his wife for money. If this was a "volunteer" situation dictated by Jim Bob then he should go to hell for putting his daughter in law and son through a public birth to line his own pockets. I really can't stand this family anymore--the whole bunch of them. All the adult Duggars are complicit.

123 said...

Can we talk about Jilly Muffin's whining and complaining about her boys on instagram? Talking about bawling to Derick when he gets home from school because she had to care for the boys all day. What is wrong with her? She is making a fool out of herself with all her drama. Suck it up, buttercup! Why does she think anyone wants to hear her complain? She has a husband, two healthy children, a brand new house, her husband is going to law school--very few reasons to be sad and yet every day she finds something new to fuss about.

Pearly White said...

Uh oh:
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/josh-duggar-company-contempt-court-real-estate-lawsuit

rjcasa26 said...

Posters have been complaining for a few years about the Duggar events being shown months after they happened. Nothing has changed, and it might be one of the reasons that viewers are steadily declining. Their daily lives aren't that interesting, so they have to wait a long time in between courtings, weddings and births to actually have a show.

I don't understand how Jill is able to promote products while Jinger lost two contracts to promote things. They both believe in the Gothard cult, Derrick was fired for his controversial comments on social media, Jill constantly talks about her sex life and what to do to improve it, so she isn't so squeaky clean as far as controversy on her own.

Therefore, why has Jinger lost out because of what her family members have been involved in while Jill, her sister, is able to profit in advertising several companies? Whatever that family has done puts a cloud on all of them by association, but companies have no problem with Jill's promotions yet penalized Jinger from the same family. Not fair to any of the Duggar children who haven't done anything to be criticized for except for their cult beliefs that have been forced on them since they could walk and talk.

As for Jeremy Vuolo, people are so impressed by his good looks and speaking abilities, but are people really listening to what he's saying? He preaches hate for anyone who doesn't believe what he believes in, openly bashes the Catholic religion which was the dominant religion of the people in Laredo where he used to live, yet they all seemed to love him there. There's something wrong with this whole picture.

Size said...

Yes & I believe Derick will only tolerate Jill’s immature whining behavior for so long then he’ll be Done!

Sparkey said...

The fact is JB & M don’t care as long as JB can pocket $$$ he will do anything & exploit any member of his family to achieve his objective. JB is disgusting.

Gem said...

Jeremy Vuolo not that great looking. Austin is a good looking man & Ben not too bad looking as well.

Mickey2942 said...

Okay, last year we had courtships and this year it was new babies...but next year, "Counting On" is going to have some lean times...unless Jana finds someone, or JB gets busy with the "howlers". Or can all of the women get pregnant again? That is what draws the audience...

Heart in Florida said...

Wow, Jeremy certainly looked like he wanted to hurry it up and 'get out of Dodge' after Mary's funeral. IMO, he came across as not really giving a damn about the whole thing. He was focused in his goal....driving to LA. Wonder how he will appear when his dear Grandma Vuolo is called?
Jana really has nothing to look forward to. She was struggling for words when asked that question in her TH...she hesitated and was uncomfortable. So sad for a 30 year old woman to have no plans of her own, no hopes, dreams and being powerless to make them happen for herself. One day Jim Bob and Michelle will have only Jana and Josie left at home. I doubt that Josie will marry young as she is 'kept young' by her mother and Jana's ship has sailed.

Willow said...

I think Jana is still the 'MOM'. On Instagram, she was the one who thanked Joy for taking the younger girls for the day to watch TV. Michelle probably didn't even notice they were gone. To me, Jana mostly looks sad. She tries to smile but she just looks sad, IMO

Angel said...

Jill cut off about 14” of her hair. She now has a nice modern looking haircut. So refreshing that one of the girls finally got rid off that way-too-long style.

Annie said...

Jill looks so pretty in the one picture with her hair straight and not a lot of eyeliner. She has beautiful eyes that I hadn't noticed before with the darker liner.

Shelli said...

Let’s hope the other Duggar “girls” follow Jill‘s example and cut off a foot or two of their hair. It’s just creepy that Jim Bob’s sexual fetish for long hair still dictates how his daughters style their hair.

Mickey2942 said...

Jinger lives in California, where there is less acceptance of the "Duggar lifestyle". And Jeremy doesn't help, with his "hate speech" platform.

Y2K said...

Good to know Jill cut her hair & that she looked pretty in a photo as generally she’s not that photogenic.

Bee said...

Jessa needs to cut that awful hair & update a new style add to that Michelle’s unhealthy hair that needs to be cut definitely in need of a conditioner. Joy could use a new cut & style as well.

Z said...

I think Jana holds a lot inward that she may be afraid to share or she’s inwardly fearful of Jim Bob, Jana always giving always there for her family. I feel sorry for Jana as an adult not allowed to even have her own bedroom. Just really sad.

Mchlmybelle said...

Jill cut her hair because Jinger cut hers and went blonde.. period. wonder what Bible Michelle thinks of it.. (and Jill's hair looks like crap)

Marites H. said...

Yes, Jill cut her hair and wants to donate it to a good cause. Good for her. But if she only gets a couple haircuts a year, how healthy will that hair be? I'm thinking there will be lots of split ends.

Complete change of subject, but I'm thinking of Anna & baby #6. Dry your tears and put on a happy face to show the world. She will keep popping out as many as babies as she can. That's the only way she knows how to hold on to her "wonderful husband" (cue Michelle's annoying baby voice). Give your husband what he wants and he'll be so happy he'll never wander or cheat with another woman. Everybody knows that a good fundy husband must want a huge family to show off his virility.

colen said...

With her new short hair curled, Jill looked a lot like a young Michelle.

June bug said...

I am surprised by all the dislike for Jill...who seems to be breaking away from her family's beliefs...they are critical of Derrick for being at school and leaving jill alone with the boys...but that is the case for a lot of sahm....somebody needs to be bringing in money for the family to survive...I do mot get how Derrick is able to be a full time student but it seems he is not relying on Jim bob...they compare him to Ben ..but does Ben work??? in real world it is not possible for 2 parents to be home with the children..somebody needs to be working and bringing in a steady paycheck...these women are surviveds of sexual assaults in their own home and the greater tragedy is how their parents did not protect them...they had to live and interact keep sweet around their abuser...they were thrown into the roles of mothers at such an early age...it is quite sad...there has to be some sort of ptsd...mixed in with Stockholm syndrome...what a messed up way to grow up.

Chris said...

While Jeremy's beliefs are conservative and Gothards are conservative the similarities and there. Gothard is a fundamentalist baptist, Jeremy is a reformed baptist. Very different religious views on multiple issues

zebracrossings said...

Maybe Ben gets paid by PopsD to teach the littles...?? I am happy for Jilly as she explores what her unGothard life might be like. She spent years being filmed and seems to thing she needs to film and document every aspect of her life. Just needs to mature and realise she can live a life without the limelight and drama.

Mickey2942 said...

Apparently, in "Gothard Utopia", Fathers are supposed to be home full time, so, they become ministers, or form family singing groups to get cash. Or own their own businesses, such as Gil Bates and his tree trimming, JB and his car towing, real estate, used car lot. Wimmen can give musical lessons, or become midwives. As long as it doesn't interfere with sammich making on demand.

Christmas Cheer said...

Jill posted an instagram photo the other day and was wearing Sherpa top from Audrey Roloff’s site that goes for $80!! How can she afford something like that. I work full time with a good paying job and I can’t afford that and buy the equivalent at Costco for $16

baska said...

These people aren't pro-life, they're pro-birth. Once you're born, you're on your own. The egg donor is the perfect example of this. And it's why Jill is having such a rough time with two whole children; she doesn't have anybody to hand them off to now they require care beyond breastfeeding and photo-ops.

Y2K said...

Even when I owned a successful business (now retired) I never could afford $80 for a shirt Always paid attention to sales & bought almost all of my clothing on sale. Also often shopped outlet clothing stores. Perhaps Daddy JB bought the shirt for Jill?

Mia said...

It seems like Jill and Jinger are trying to make a few new rules. Frankly, I think Jinger is a little too timid to attempt very much but I think Jill would run for the roses given half a chance! I hope that Derick encourages her to keep evolving.
Jessa, on the other hand, adores her mother and wants nothing more than to follow in Michelle's fundy footsteps. She and Anna both. (I don't know about Joy.)

Oh, and Michelle's overgrown hair is ridiculous looking. Between her humped back and that long, long hair she looks like a very short, very old lady.

Sierra said...

The Christmas photo of Joy, Gideon and Austin standing outside their front door is cringeworthy. The dirty door, worn down wood porch, flip flops, and overall worn out look, just screams poverty. I feel so bad for Joy.

colen said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wqzTTNe8LI&feature=youtu.be

Jessa's family Xmas video.

Bee said...

Every time I see Michelle on TV I want to grasp my clippers & chop away that wretched messy hair.

Beyond said...

Yes Jill & Jinger appear to be evolving. California will be a good fit for Jinger. However Jessa & Jana will never evolve they are too brain washed. Joy I just don’t know. I believe one day Jill & perhaps Jinger will wake up & realize Jim Bob did a mean thing by limiting their education when they were growing up? Maybe they will realize the disturbing & toxic world of the Gothard Cult?

Size said...

Surprised that Jill didn’t checkout the Bates girls website to buy clothing? It seems the Bates line is more Jill’s style.

sandi said...

Where were Derrik, Jill and their boys? I didn't see them there for Christmas at all.Jessa said Josh and Ana were in Fl,but no mention of the Dillards

colen said...

Per "Blogger sandi said...
Where were Derrik, Jill and their boys? ...

12/27/2019 9:33 PM"

They had their on Xmas, but one of her bros. came by her house.

Ellie On a Roll said...

I’m thinking JD and Abbie will name their little girl Delta Dawn Duggar.

Mickey2942 said...

She grew up in poverty. JB is as tight as a drum. Joy will have a passel of kids, and homeschool them, of course. The cycle continues.

Lucinda said...

Derick is on a roll on Instagram ripping into Ma and Pa Duggar.

sandi said...

That's a real eye opener!

https://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/derick-dillard-claims-jill-duggar-isnt-allowed-at-her-parents-house/

npf said...


Derick and Jill believe in birth contol:

https://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/derick-dillard-talks-about-birth-control-debunking-duggar-family-rule/

npf said...

Jeremy Vuolo wants his own show?

https://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/do-jinger-duggar-and-jeremy-vuolo-want-their-own-tv-show/

npf said...

Now we know why Derick wanted TLC to pay for some of the medical bills. Sounds fair to me:


https://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/derick-dillard-and-jim-bob-duggar-feud-rumors-fueled-by-new-tweets/

Mia said...

I absolutely believe Derick when he says they were told TLC didn't pay actual money to the family, only reimbursements and such. Jim Bob Duggar is a flat out L I A R who lies repeatedly. I think of the Megyn Kelly interview and remember how Jim Bob did almost all of the talking. Michelle would occasionally slip and say something about feeling like they had failed as parents, etc. Not Jim Bob. Not an ounce of sincerity or honesty in the man. He just stayed with his script. Over and over he stated that his pervert son had touched his daughters "over the clothes while they were asleep" and the rest of the bullshit. (Not that I'm letting Michelle off the hook, mind you. She favors her firstborn irrationally and wrongly. She doesn't deserve her daughters' love.) They both make me sick.

I think JB thought he had control of Derick. They were prayer partners before Derick ever met Jill, and JB knew he controlled HER. So that was all nice and zipped up. However, Derick AND Jill learned that they had been fed a line of crap about a few things, most notably that they were REQUIRED to film the show that TLC was supposedly not paying anybody a salary for. That was all well and good when the 19 were still children - JB did what he always did and pocketed everyone's money. But Daring Derick came along and opened a few people's eyes, including his wife's. The biggest disgrace is that Jim Bob is trying to control Derick now by punishing JILL. She's not allowed to be in her own home (the compound) around her own family unless she gets PERMISSION from Jim Bob first? Really? How does Minnie Mouse feel about that? Let me guess.

I read that one of Jill's brothers went to see her during Christmas. I hope so. That one little act of defiance does my heart good. Even if it's not intended to be defiance. I still like it. The other adult Duggars should do likewise. They are grownups now, with young children of their own. They may be brainwashed but they aren't brainDEAD.

Derick and Jillymuffin. Who knew that Muffin would be the one to blow the whistle on Pops? Okay, I realize that Derick is actually the one leading the cause but it's more interesting to say that Muffin is beating the drum. I'm with ya, Jill. I hope you'll be wearing your nose stud and your ripped jeans every chance you get.

BTW, I wonder if Josh is having legal trouble because he was taught his tricks of the trade by his slick daddy? Josh isn't crafty or smart and I could imagine him getting himself into hot water. I won't feel sorry for Anna if Josh goes away again. Anna LIVES on social media, posting helpful suggestions and positive messages and generally advising people how to live their lives. HER life is a trainwreck, but whatever. So long as she keeps getting pregnant and reaches her goal of becoming her MIL she will not complain about her life.

Mickey2942 said...

JB has only himself to blame...after all, he handpicked each of his son in laws!

sandi said...

I believe Derick as well.And if Jb wants to see his grandkids,it isn't very wise of him to tick off their parents! Unless he just doesn't care.That would be my guess.But I'm sure they'll still be included in the count to reach 200 gkids.
I wonder if Josh needs Jb's permission to come over,or if he can come over when Jb isn't there? My guess is,he isn't getting the same treatment Jill and Derick are,despite his past behavior with some of the family.Jmo

Levy said...

If Josh lives on the Duggar compound my guess is he doesn’t need permission from
JB because he’s already controlled by JB. Earlier googled several pieces of info & comments about JB. Someone wrote JB is dangerous & one who is definitely not smart the fact that JB abhors education speaks volumes that he’s stupid. The fundie religion kid all about men who aren’t smart that they puff themselves up to control women & make up ridiculous rules as they go along to feed their egos. The fact that JB still controls the married kids is toxic. From what I’ve read JB does not control Derick & so he targets Jill with his anger. TLC needs to 100% eliminate JB & M from Counting On.

Z said...

I for one would love to see JB publicly humiliated he needs to come clean & stop the confusion & lies. However from what I’ve seen of JB he spews a lot of nonsense & I think he’s a coward.

Bee said...

Jim Bob is not an accountable or credible person although he makes a concerted effort to continually fool viewers. Why! One would think that by now he could grasp the fact or reality that viewers & most people do not like him is JB really that dense?

Sparkey said...

Was surprised that both Jim Bob & Michelle actually passed the real estate exam & became licensed agents.

Size said...

I bet that Derick is really bugging Jim Bob making him squirm as JB is now aware that perhaps in the future a “tell all book” about the Duggar’s lies & deception may be looming?? I think that JB is really annoyed that he can’t control Derick & it’s just too funny!! Some people never grow up & JB is a great example of one who hasn’t.

Gem said...

Basically Jim Bob has shunned Derick & Jill. Within the fundie Cult shunning is a big deal. It’s the fundie sport. So my guess is JB uses the threat of shunning to control the married kids & to keep them in line as well as perhaps the kids remaining at the Duggar compound. JB such a dumb dictator.

Stephanie from Virginia said...

Rolof could have sent it as a gift knowing it would be seen. That’s how A list designers and stars do it. It works, I didn’t know Audre had a clothing line. I won’t buy anything but I’m now aware because Jill wore it and we are discussing it.

Stephanie said...

Willow once again you have said it. So many people said Josiah was so supportive. I thought he was ridiculous hyper annoying. But Lauren is insufferable and Josiah and her mom have egged this ridiculous girl to act this way

Stephanie said...

Don’t be fooled Judy. Lauren is a sad character so desperate for attention she has mourned over a late period, assigning a gender, naming it, and making a coffin shoe box with a pregnancy test inside. She even has the “conception” date and the period date on the coffin shoe box and it’s five weeks. That’s a late period. They filmed a scene showing this and Michelle and Lauren’s mom have enabled this silly woman to act like this. And why shouldn’t she? Michelle did it years later for the cameras. Assigning a gender and a name to a miscarriage. Even giving medical advice on camera that a doctor said birth control pills caused a miscarriage. Michelle should have to tolerate silly Lauren because she’s just repeating what Michelle did for the cameras. It’s a re-make just like Hollywood does. We had Charlie’s Angels in the 70’s and now we have the remake in 2019.

Stephanie said...

I wouldn’t put a call like that past Michelle and Jimbob however that was a production scripted scene for the tv show. Michelle was really telling us the audience what was going on. But hey, if they are going to do that she could have pretended to be talking to Jinger or some other WOMAN

Something that cringed me last year with Kendra’s mom. She was nursing her baby under the cape and hugged maybe Joe? Over a pregnancy announcement. (I think it was joe)
Seriously they do a frontal hug when your baby is sucking on your breast and your shirt and bra is off covered by a cape? I don’t know it just seemed overly familiar.