Free Discussion, January, 2014

Please use this for Duggar and Bates sightings, speculation, or general discussion. Note that this is Duggar discussion not other families, TV shows, politics, religion, or personal stories. If the comment is more about you or some other issue than the actual Duggars or Bateses or other families seen on the show, please rethink before sending. Thank you!

179 comments:

mom in texas said...

So what will the Duggars do this year to keep themselves relevant? Marry off Jessa to the young Seewald(?) boy? JB and Michelle will go for #20 or maybe #21 or #22 (not sure how they consider each pregnancy when talking about miscarriages but hey, whose counting?, wait, well...)? Maybe Josh and Anna will continue to add to their gaggle so they can secure their own series? Or maybe the Duggars will do something so shocking, so unexpected, so off the wall we will all be flabbergasted?? At this point I am not sure what is keeping them on television. I did not really watch their last season but I am guessing nothing new and interesting happened based on the comments here. Will the Duggars go quietly into the sunset in 2014?

tulip said...

The Duggars will not go quietly into the sunset by any means if JB & Josh have anything to say about it. They will air anything that brings in the ratings, aka whatever keeps them on TV, so that they can continue to use their "fame" to carry out their true motive of spreading & infiltrating their political propaganda. Oh, and the fat paychecks are just a bonus. (This all my personal opinion, of course.)

The new season will most likely feature more of the same, and don't fool yourselves as their "fans" absolutely will be drooling over each up & coming episode. Amy supposedly has some "album" and a new boyfriend (what number is this one?...), so I'm assuming she'll just happen to promote herself in all her loud mouth glory while making an appearance at a bday party or visit with Gramdma. We already saw an episode about Michelle's braces, now it appears Anna has them too as Josh posted a photo of Anna in the dentist chair in one of the most ridiculous & unflattering photos ever...more bait to "tune in"?, as well as Josh looks to be growing a beard...sounding like another Josh & Anna update episode? Ugh. Of course they all made a trip to SDC for the holidays, as well as the usual volleyball games and buffet-style holiday meals complete with plastic forks and Styrofoam cups...pics posted for all to see...wow, I'm just on the edge of my seat for 2014, aren't you?

Londonbridges said...

Happy New Year! I think the Duggars will play catch-up regarding the weddings and courtships of Gil and Kelly's clan. JimBob and Michelle need to be leading in this area of their lives. They sure can't take a backseat here. I'm not sure how this is going to happen but I think there will be a few 'important' announcements and suitors will be introduced.

Of course there will be much discussion about reproducing the next Duggar. Gag me with a spoon.

Josh will also impart his knowledge and promote several agendas. He and Anna will participate in marriage seminars and impart their vast wisdom and knowledge. JMHO.

Nancy said...

Happy New Year everyone! I saw a pic of Benessa posted on his FB yesterday (NY day). No ring on her finger yet. Someone asked about it and one of his relatives replied that Josh and Anna knew each other for two years before they got engaged.

What commenter didn't mention is that Anna really didn't know much about Josh until her father told her it was okay to court him. And if we take their courtship to engagement, that was only from Jan. - June '08, so five months. We know that Benessa were courting around Labor Day, but no one knows for sure exactly how long they were courting before he spilled the proverbial beans on his FB page with the sidehug pic. At any rate, that's four months and counting now...

Oh, Anna has Invisilign braces. While in AR, Josh got a blackmail pic of her in the orthodontist's chair with her grill all frozen (I thought she was getting her teeth whitened until I read the caption).

Amy continues to give away pieces of her heart.

Hannah said...

They will say how much Josh does at his new job, trips, weddings etc.

What is SDC?

tulip said...

Josh posted a photo of John David on Instagram celebrating his 1-yr. anniversary as a constable (or whatever)...remember he was sworn in on New Years at a fast food place? Someone posted a comment about him courting, not sure if this is a fan with wishful thinking or what...anyone else see the comment?

Nancy said...

Sorry for two posts so close together, but I just passed by the Bateses' blog and found out that MICHAEL is courting! I thought she was doomed for SAHD status.

Happy for her.

http://blog.thebatesfamily.com/

Nancy said...

Here's a more direct link. http://blog.thebatesfamily.com/2014/01/02/love-in-the-air/#comments

Dar said...

Somehow, I don't think Michelle is ready to let all the buddies go. She will have to do a lot more work and methinks she is allergic to all that is involved in looking after little ones. Her responsibility ends when they are weaned. Jessa really didn't seem too enthused with being a "buddy", so they will drag that "storyline" out as long as possible. The courtship and the wedding will be an open forum for them to advance all their words of wisdom on how the rest of us should direct our lives. Michelle and Jim Bob will, of course, get more attention than the bride and groom. I wonder if Jessa will be able to get a nice dress. Maybe she can go shopping in the place Michelle purchased her second dress. Probably not!

Rudy Tecat said...

Jessa has been courting for a while...I wonder when a big announcement will take place (when the new season starts in March)? You can't have a big Duggar announcement without it being tied into the show.

Anonymous said...

Just kinda interesting, looked at the Bates blog and both Erin and Zach are now married and Alyssa and Michaela are both courting AND holding hands and minor touching of their boyfriends. Wonder if the Bates have become more realistic as the Duggars seem less so? I would venture to guess that the Bates parents seem to take care of their own little ones more since they are letting theor adult kids live their own lives.

tulip said...

Wow! Great for Michael! Hey, looks like a nice looking guy too, both in personality and looks. The "Old English" courting date looks to be very fitting for Michael's personality. Now I wonder if someone threw in that comment to John David's pic on Josh's Instagram to stir up fake Duggar interest because it seems nothing interesting is going on over there. I'm actually much more interested in Michael's courting than Jessa. The fit between Jessa and Ben seems a bit off to me. Maybe it's because he's so young or I have a sneaking suspicion JB set him up with a job. Just doesn't seem very genuine to me.

tulip said...

SDC is Silver Dollar City amusement park. Good old wholesome Duggar fun...and a common go-to for filler episode content...

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know how tall the Duggar and Bates children are?

mom in texas said...

Wow the Bates are moving at lightening speed to get the older kids out on their own. 2 recent weddings and 2 courtships that will likely lead to weddings within the year. Great for Michael. She used to seem so shy. I knew something was up with the spiffy new look. She is a gorgeous girl. Good luck to her.

Faith said...

I too saw that Michael is courting and was very happy for her. She seems like she would be a wonderful mom, very loving and tender. And as someone has already noted I too have seen a change in the Bates' approach to courting, engagement, etc. They seem to be willing to let the couple decide what "rules" to follow when moving through these stages (within reason of course =) ), but nonetheless... I think Kelly has even commented on how they did a lot of soul-searching when it comes to all of this after Zach's first courtship fell through.

puddin' said...

I am happy for The Bates and the courtships and weddings. Thats a more normal way of life than in DuggarLand. I am not looking forward to their shows, i didnt watch the last series of episodes--they are soo boring and its the same old stuff that has been shown before. Its such a huge deal with them on the Baby Train---cant see a leg and cover this and cover that...but when it comes to the TV births...ughhhh i just want to throw up alittle. People give birth each and every day...but when The Duggars do it--its soo different...them and their "higher morals" Like all the rest of us are so evil. ROFL...why isnt this show over? *GOO BATES and GOOD LUCK with YOUR LIVES*

hannah said...

They listed the heights of the first 16 or so in one the specials. I think Big Family album or on the road.

Dar said...

I wonder how the little ones will be getting along without their "buddies". It must be difficult for them to have their care-giver leave and then see them with another child. Abandonment issues? they have had their buddies from about six months. What a mixed-up world they live in. Real mom is that woman who floats around acting as if she is a pampered guest and surrogate mom is sister. How confused and lonely they will be.

MandySue said...

I like the Bates Family. Kelly and Gil seem to know their kids as individuals and not as a collective. They don't drag the whole family around, you see the older kids without the younger kids. They have loosen up the apron strings. The kids who are courting seem to be comfortable with their mates, not that forced show offy stuff that J&A did.

Faith said...

In response to the question about the heights of the Bates, I found on a Bates blog the following estimations...
"The girls are all pretty short- I’d estimate Alyssa to be 5’2- she’s miles shorter than John, even when she’s wearing mega heels. Michael 5’3, Erin, Tori and Carlin maybe 5’4? Apparently Nathan’s the tallest, but he wouldn’t be more than 5’10/5’11? Then Lawson & Trace 5’9-5’10, Zach 5’8?"

Beth Anne said...

Re: They (the Bates) seem to be willing to let the couple decide what "rules" to follow when moving through these stages.

Totally agree, which is why I think so many of us find them more likeable or tolerable than the Duggars. Rather than the Bates kids being part of a huge 19-legged creature, they seem to be viewed by their parents as individuals. I think JimBob's pride would NEVER allow him to deviate from the courtship rules spelled out by ATI/Gothard. If anyone in their family did tweak those rules a bit, it would be like him admitting their "system" is a little flawed, and I don't see him ever admitting that.

That's also one of the dangers of putting your family and your lifestyle on T.V. for everyone to see. JimBob probably feels a sense of accountability for ensuring the whole family lives lock-and-step with the lifestyle they have advocated, without admitting that each person is different and things may have to be adapted to account for individual circumstances.

Allison said...

It's clear that Kelly must be less reliant on the girls than Michelle is, since 1 is married and 2 are courting, and then there's Zach. So far only Josh is married and that was quite awhile ago before Jessa -- and only Jessa -- has started courting anyone. I really love reading Kelly's blog and reading her responses. She is very sweet and very reinforcing that they are not perfect and have had to revise their beliefs and attitudes. Makes them sound almost human! Unlike Jim Bob and Michelle who always seems a little to "know-it-all" for my taste when it comes to things, like dating, that they clearly don't have much experience in!

mom in texas said...

I think many of you are on to something here. Jim Bob and Michelle may be turning other like minded families off from courting their young adults due their overly rigid courting practices. The Bates seem to be a little more relaxed in regards to letting go of their children. Gil and Kelly seem to rely a lot less on their older ones than the Duggars do.
Life with the Duggars is doubly intrusive. One, because of the constant monitoring and two, because of the TLC cameras. Many families may not be willing to have their lives chronicled 24/7, where nothing is no longer sacred or intimate. I mean I wouldn't feel comfortable having my daughter marry into a family knowing that the birth of her first child will potentially be witnessed by millions as she withers in pain, uncomfortably exposed.

Preppy Pink Crocodile said...

I found this blog because I was searching to see if cousin Amy would be back on the show (I actually like her). But in doing so, I read that Anna's sister Susanna might not be aligned with the family these days. A simple FB search (why oh why do young people not make these pages private?) and I see she now dresses modern and has an almost one year old and isn't married (gasp). In one comment, she indicated that she hasn't talked to Anna in a while. I wish TLC would touch on this stuff. Not to call out people but because every family- no matter what your religious and political beliefs- has a few members who are different from you in one way or another. I think the families would seem more genuine if they owned up to having family members who were of every variety and not just like them. I think the Duggars are nice people. I don't doubt that. But the show is so sugar sweet every episode that it is boring as all get out. No one lives like that- not even the Duggars (or Kellers or Bates).

Thanks though for posting the Bates' blog. I like them even more after reading a bit. I hope their show comes back to TLC. Or at least a little update episode.

KK @ Preppy Pink Crocodile

Elvira said...

Thinking only of Jim Bob and his horrible so-called practical jokes, who would want to be subjected to that regularly? I'd never suggest to any child of mine that they have him as a FIL. In fact, I'd tell them to run. We had an uncle like that and it's horrible to have to handle regularly. That's before we get to ridiculously rigid cult beliefs, TV intrusion, etc.

Anonymous said...

Wonder if John David will ever move into his own house? He worked so hard to clear the land, he might as well enjoy it.
I wonder if Josh and Anna will move into the big house JB was renovating? It was a nice house but it got trashed by squatters or someone. That would be a good place for them, and give Jessa their old house. I am sure she has no money, she never had a job and the groom is only like 18. It is a nice starter house.

tulip said...

I have been keeping up with Zach & Whitney's blog because I like how sweet & genuine it is. Zach posted a congrats to Michael w/ a few pics, and again, very real. No ego-fueled comparisons or big brother nonsense like Josh's 'I'm watching...' comment to Jessa & Ben, again rubbing in their dumb chaperone stuff & the insinuations of 'haha, I'm married and can kiss and you can't...'
I say out with the Duggars and in with the Bates- IMO, though, the Bates didn't get nearly the numbers it needed to stay on the air because loyal Duggar fans feared (and knew) the newness of the Bates show would fare better, ultimately threatening the Duggar's numbers and putting the show in jeopardy. They would not dare compromise their loyalty to the Duggars...even for The Bates fam.

CatLady said...

What's interesting about the Bates' courtships over the Duggars' is the effort these young men made in starting them(including Zach's ill-fated relationship with Sarah) with the surprises, restaurants, etc., and everyone is dressed for a special occasion. Sure, JimBob made a quickie announcement about Jessa at the end of one of his episodes, but did Ben do anything comparable to the others? Either I'm looking in the wrong place online, or Michelle/JimBob just don't bother to post things like Kelly does, or Ben didn't do anything special for Jessa. Even Josh's surprise proposal to Anna was a little lame by comparison--he shows up at the dinner her parents had taken her to (granted, he was first and had nothing to measure up to). I don't know, I guess I just agree with most people here that the Bates family is a bit more "normal" than the Duggars.

Elvira said...

Please do Duggar houses for Jessa and Ben. He's from Hot Springs which is several hours away from Tontitown. Maybe they live near his home and away from Jim Bob's influence and control.

MandySue said...

When Kelly posted pictures of !icheal (?) and her courtship she posted pictures of the chaperones looking mean and the couple looking upset. At least they can laugh about it.

The Bates are more real. The weddings were about the kids not the parents. Put really seems that they want their kids to go further than them.

Elvira said...

I'm not sure how much "further than them" Kelly and Gil are emphasizing since they are both real accredited school college graduates and Gil's parents are educated also.

Nancy said...

I wonder if Benessa might be enagaged? They spent New Years at a tony resort in Western AR (he confirmed location on his facebook). A couple of days ago, up pops a picture of them with him in a suit and Jessa in something other than a tee shirt or button-down top. Hmmm....

tater tot said...

It's refreshing to see The Bates and their courtships and marriages. Also Kelly's updates and pics are so refreshing to see. They all look so happy and upbeat. Now for The Duggars...i see nothing new. Same old Jimbob and Michelle sugary sweet bull crap...its just down right boring nothing ever changes on this show--well except for every 9 months the tv births YAWN who cares...and i'm really sick of seeing Anna running to check to see if she is pregnant Again..hmm who cares? BRING ON THE BATES!!!! Also Kelly and Gil seem so much more into caring for their children. I'm with the person that said that Michelle Duggar doesnt seem like a mom to her kids--She and Jimboob do not want their Grown daughters in relationships--because she would have to lift a finger to take care of her own ~flower garden~ getting them here is one thing and caring for them isnt for Michelle and Jimbob. So Sad for the GROWN Daughters...sometime down the road i hope they figure this out. As their parents were married and doing married things waay before the age of these grown daughters. (((CONGRATS BATES FAMILY))) Booo DUGGARS...selfish parents.

tulip said...

I have to bet Jessa did get engaged. Apparently the new season is starting up in March, and what could be a better season premiere, right? (ugh...) Also, with 2 Bates weddings & a courtship in the last 3 months plus now the news of Michael's courtship, JB's prob. chomping at the bit to get all attention back on Duggarland and the subsequent stroking of his patriarchal ego.

MandySue said...

Benessa were at Queen Wilhelmina State Park. It originally was a resort built by a railroad company. They left it, the state bought, etc. There is really nothing to do there, they have a miniature train, a restaurant and a lodge. They have some good hiking trails.

It is by no means "toney." It's probably an hour or so from Hot Springs. It is about an hour from where I live.

Anonymous said...

I won't be watching any new Duggar episodes as I believe everything that can or will happen has already been touched on by bloggers on this post and it's only the beginning of Jan. Many thanks for saving me from wasting my time.

Anonymous said...

If Jessa does marry don't look for her to be at Kleindfields ', in N.Y. buying(or receiving)a dress. That was all a ploy for JimBob&Michelles' 25th anniversary celebration.Michelle was totally uninterested but JimBob insisted the dress have "puffy sleeves" and it did.I thought it was a disgrace that they dragged all those ill mannered kids into that classy store, although, I realize they are featured on TLC.You could tell the staff was furious. The saleswoman looked at Jimbob and he gave a slight nod for the right dress and then an already married Josh stepped in and said "I think we could say yes to this dress." Look for Jessa in a home made dress or perhaps she could borrow one from one of he Bates family.

Elvira said...

I don't expect Jessa to have anything better than Erin Bates - an amateur mash up alteration of a cheap sale David's Bridal dress.

Nancy said...

Rotan, one of the Duggar cameramen, confirmed a couple of nights ago that the crew is filming at the compound this week. I wonder if this follows up on Benessa all dolled up at the resort (yes, they were at the swanky resort there and yes, it's pretty darn nice from what I was able to ascertain when I did some research about it). Maybe an engagement party somewhere?

What else could they film at the house or around town that we haven't already seen a thousand times???

TLC canceled the wrong show.

Anonymous said...

Soomehow I really don't buy Jessa courting. I think they needed a line to continue what was an extremely short season. It will probably end up with the entire family comforting her when no engagement happens. She will then be able to spend more time with one of her buddies.

sandi said...

For sure the 'Yes to the dress' episode was done since they're on tolc as well.
But I thought it was funny when Josh said 'this isn't the 80's' when referring to the old fashioned style of dresses it looked like they were going to choose.I'd never heard anyone speak up or claim that Jim Bob and Michelle were too old fashioned and out-of-date,which they are,imo.

Anonymous said...

Sandi
I think when it comes to the duggars the words old fashioned and out-of-date are interchangeable with "modern modest"!

TootToot said...

As for the "swanky" resort, it's a nice location, but according to the website, the lodge and restaurant are closed until later this year for renovations. So unless they opened the place up just for them (always a possibility with TLC), there really wouldn't have been much to do there. Unless they all went for a ride on the kiddie train, and maybe a hike in flipflops (oh, wait, where have we seen THAT before?). LOL...

Anonymous said...

I anticipate more side hugs.

Elvira said...

Michelle honored in AR:
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/01/michelle-duggar-award-most-fascinating-person-arkansas-video/

Anonymous said...

Mr. Jim's (the sound man) daughter hosts an Instagram account, wherein she posts random pictures of the duggar family here and there. After Christmas, a photo of jessa holding a tacky "I asked Santa for you" sign was posted, and I asked if Ben gave a ring to jessa for Christmas. I tagged both josh and Anna, and my comment was immediately deleted. I think they got engaged, but are keeping it under wraps for a big reveal.

Anonymous said...

Take a look at this clip featuring Michelle being voted one of Arkansas most fascinating people. Anyone else notice a ring on Jill's left hand ring finger?

http://duggarsblog.blogspot.com/2013/12/most-fascinating-arkansans.html

Haley said...

First of all, the Duggars make my home state lookso bad!

Secondly, has anyone else noticed that all the Duggars eat is processed foods!?! Even their veggies...all from a can.

MandySue said...

The most fascinating was done by a local tv station. The 10 people were all from NWA.

Betsy said...

I've heard that the Mr. Jim's "daughter" account is bogus and is a supposed fan.

Sarah said...

Anonymous said...
Take a look at this clip featuring Michelle being voted one of Arkansas most fascinating people. Anyone else notice a ring on Jill's left hand ring finger?

I believe all the girls wear purity rings on their left ring finger, and replaced with an engagement ring when that happens.

Patrice said...

I just looked at the comment where Zach congratulated Michaela: "ME and Whitney want to congratulate you...
YOUR the best..."
School of the dining room table at its finest! Maybe it's a good thing these people don't apply for professional jobs after all.

Not A Fan said...

That's not an engagement ring. IMO.

sandi said...

Modern modest...I would venture to say it's more outdated antiquity! LOL.

Nancy said...

Years ago, the girls said the purity rings often change hands, and sometimes even fingers (I guess with weight gain/loss?).

However, I did see a pic of Joseph sitting on the same couch as Tori Bates recently. Nathan Bates, one of the younger Bates sisters (either Josie or Katie, I haven't seen them recently enough to know one from the other), and a third boy all scrunched on the couch, and its arms, together.

Faith said...

"I just looked at the comment where Zach congratulated Michaela: "ME and Whitney want to congratulate you...
YOUR the best..."
School of the dining room table at its finest! Maybe it's a good thing these people don't apply for professional jobs after all."

I don't know if homeschooling is the reason for this... I think there are many positives to homeschooling and this is coming from a public school teacher. =) I think this might be the result of where they place education, overall, in their lives. I think they view education as compulsory and an education beyond what their state deems necessary is not emphasized or important. First, I think it must be very difficult to teach so many kids, at so many levels, which is what Kelly (and Michelle) are expected to do. Second, school seems to take a backseat sometimes. For example, Kelly has even commented, "joking" of course, that while they were planning Erin's wedding the younger kids spent a lot of time with educational videos/software. And some of the girls put their own schooling on hold for a semester to help with the wedding planning.
I've always found this surprising and confusing considering many of these parents went to college themselves. Kelly and Gill both went to college and Chad Paine's dad is a medical doctor. I'm also surprised that education isn't emphasized for the boys especially, since they expect the boys to be the "bread-winners" for the families and they allow their families to be as large as God wants. A higher education would make all of that more possible, I would think...

Anonymous said...

A higher education means learning about all the evils in the world such as evolution.

tulip said...

It's also interesting to note how Zach refers to his own sister in the post as "Micheala"...I thought she didn't want to be called that now? And that's how he spelled it too with the e before the a, unlike her name Michael where the a is before the e, and he spelled it like this twice, so it wasn't a one-time typing slip-up.
But, a new post shows some of their wedding pics (Kelly posted as well) and it really looks like they're made for each other, like the shot of them both wearing cowboy boots-yes, Whitney wearing them under her wedding gown Lol. Wow, really glad they didn't show any pics w/ the Duggars (unlike Kelly's post of Erin's wedding pics-just HAD to show one with the Duggars) Well, Anna took care of that on her Instagram as she had to post a pic of her hubby with his big old camera boasting of his greatness? Ugh. Too bad she misspelled Zach's name. She also posted a "handwritten" note from Mack that was written Anna heart Josh...that's plain weird, and as someone commented, why wouldn't she write Mom heart Dad? Too creepy...

Anonymous said...

Those ugly clothes they wear are better than a purity ring. My kids cringe when they see them on TV wearing those awful outfits. At least the girls hair styles have gotten a little better, less crunchy looking.

seriously? said...

Yep, the Duggars and Bateses are perfect examples of why American support should go to public schools rather than toward any encouragement for home schooling. The "Wisdom Books" curriculum results in plain old ugly ignorance. If there's one thing this planet needs less, it's this kind of ignorance. It's sad to live in a time when ignorance is not only accepted, but even glorified via reality tv folk like the Duggars and their ATI brethren.

Beth Anne said...

Re: "Yep, the Duggars and Bateses are perfect examples of why American support should go to public schools rather than toward any encouragement for home schooling."

I can't really support this statement as is, because I have known people who have done homeschooling either part of their children's lives or the entire time, and some of them do a WONDERFUL job. I myself could never do it, but there's a certain appeal to being able to gear the education and topics toward each child. And, I am very fortunate to live in an area with excellent public schools, but many families are not so lucky. So, I don't have a problem with the concept of school choice, including homeschooling of some sort.

HOWEVER, I would agree that the Duggars, in particular, have a limited curriculum and that mom and dad are too busy giving speeches and kissing each other for the cameras to pay attention to what each child needs. They want the "control" of homeschooling without investing the effort into individualizing the curriculum or content to appeal to each child or to target each child's needs. And, the "adults" seem so young to me in their manner of speaking, writing, etc., that I would say they haven't gotten the best education!

sandi said...

I think the answer may be that the states that allow homschooling to be so lax, really need to up their standards to ensure homeschooled kids get a better,more individualed education than what they are currently getting.More testing,higher standards,perhaps a liason between the state and the family to make sure that occurs.

Anonymous said...

I think there should be some kind of oversee of what they are being taught. Do they take any kind of tests? How do they evaluate the students?
I think the older girls are teaching the younger ones. How unfair is that to everyone? JB and Michelle have lots of time to home school the kids,they don't work and don't do anything around the house anymore.

Seriously? said...

Re: the Duggars and the Bible Bee - wake me up when any proud ATI grad competes in a Math or (gasp!) SCIENCE Bee.

sandi said...

Re: HOWEVER, I would agree that the Duggars, in particular, have a limited curriculum and that mom and dad are too busy giving speeches and kissing each other for the cameras to pay attention to what each child needs. They want the "control" of homeschooling without investing the effort into individualizing the curriculum or content to appeal to each child or to target each child's needs.

Beth Ann,I meant to add,I think that's why Michelle has stated that homeschooling works best for their family.IOW-it's not what's best for each child,but it works around their schedule.

Dar said...

I would love to see the list from
which Michelle was chosen as one of Arkansas most fascinating people. I fail to see how having 21 or 22 pregnancies is fascinating. Probably 95 percent, at least, of the population have the ability to procreate. To properly look after them would be more fascinating. Just like the "Mother of the Year" award. Totally undeserving! IMHO

Londonbridges said...

I would like to see that list, too. Agree that pro-creating is not unusual, but raising the blessings seems far far down JimBob's and Michelle's priority lists. My mom was never voted Mother of the Year, but she raised us from birth until the day she died. I know several awesome moms, but M. Duggar never crosses my mind. JMHO.

Anonymous said...

I agree, the home schooling works for JB and Michelle's schedule, not the kids. Real school would mean JB and Michelle would have to get up early,and they couldn't travel around the country all the time. There would be a real schedule to follow. That is too much trouble for them.

Nancy said...

Oh dear. Zach's Ode to Whitney on the bottom of her bridal shoes (that she wore during the ceremony...she apparently switched to the cowboy boots afterward) is a classic SOTDRT fail! He does not know the difference between "your" and "you're," as the multiple usage errors attest. As an English teacher and tutor, I just cringe. I've seen fewer mistakes in most 5th graders' writing. Even low-intermediate ESL students know the difference for crying out loud. I hope the county for which Zach serves as a commissioner isn't paying him much; at hie level, he's not likely to have an editor.

Yikes!

MandySue said...


Here is the list people could vote from and the results of it.

http://m.4029tv.com/news/-/17419908/23215618/-/148yxeq/-/index.html

Anonymous said...

When it comes to homeschooling I don't think Michelle or JimBob have a clue about what the kids are or are not studying. What's more I don't think they care. Just show something related to the SOTDRT for the camera. All you need to do is listen to their grammar. It's like hearing chalk on a blackboard and that's the closest they come to a schoolroom. Standards for the state must be very lax. I don't mean to offend anyone else from AR who homeschools. There are many who are homeschooled in every state with excellent results but someone needs to be minding the store. That's not happening in Duggarland. Michelle & JimBob are on to bigger and better things.

Willow said...

Having to follow a schedule is probably another big reason they don't want regular jobs.

Beth Anne said...

RE: More testing,higher standards,perhaps a liason between the state and the family to make sure that occurs.

Totally agree! I think the Duggars would be in deep doo-doo if their educational efforts and outcomes more closely scrutinized. And, totally agree that it's all about JimBob and Michelle's schedule and what's best for THEM, not their kids. To that end, I have relatives where the one child just hated being homeschooled and it wasn't working for her, and the parents accounted for her individual preferences and need to be engaged with a classroom full of kids and sent her off to school, where she is happy and thriving. The older one continued with homeschooling because it worked for them all, and she is now thriving in a big state university.

Nancy Ann said...

Check out the website recoveringgrace.org It is written by people who were formally part of the ATI, the Bill Gothard brand of Christianity the Duggars profess. Very interesting to me was the article about the use of the "Wisdom Books" from the ATI homeschooling program. You will not believe the crap they are teaching children. On the other hand, some characteristics displayed by the Duggars will make more sense after you read the article. Enjoy. http://www.recoveringgrace.org/2013/05/wisdom-books-beatitudes/

Rudy Tecat said...

Michelle is fascinating, the same way a train wreck is fascinating, or a three-headed calf at the state fair is fascinating. Ladies and Gents, Boys and Girls, step right up and see the Amazing Michelle Duggar, mother of 19 children, and her amazingly fertile husband Jim Bob.

tulip said...

Courtesy of Instagram, a week in the life of the Duggars: Josh going to Ricky Skaggs concert, shopping for shirts at the thrift store, and now in Israel...Anna having "fun" (code word for training up?) in the kitchen w/ Mack, and Amy w/ nothing better to do than posting selfies and pics of her new goofy boyfriend. Ahhh, the life.

Beth Anne said...

Nancy Ann, thank you for highlighting this article. It DOES make a lot of sense with respect to all the rules and "countenance" directives the Duggars follow and how they seem devoid of the personal joy that comes from knowing their imperfect selves are still blessed and saved, through Christ.

Sigh.....

Dar said...

When this "fascinating Mother of the year" is left alone with the youngest four girls and JimBob, the biggest baby of the bunch, it would be poetic justice if those little girls gave them the same love and attention and care as they were given.Not only are they experiencing it now, they just have to look back at all the episodes since they were born to see where they fit into the food chain.

Anonymous said...

Rudy, you nailed it! Michelle is as fascinating as a circus side show. The whole big family thing is so old. We know the parents are not the primary caregivers for these kids. If I had 8 adults at home to help me with all the chores, and childcare, I could sleep late too, go on my treadmill, and have date nights. Its not like she is cooking, washing and cleaning all day. She has less responsibilities than my teenagers do.

Canadian Fan of the Bateses said...

There are more pre-wedding photos on the Bates family's website. Zach wrote love notes on the bottoms of Whitney's shoes. Very sweet gesture, but it shows his poor grasp of English grammar. Personally, I would cringe if my fiancé did that on one of the wedding day keepsakes.

Anonymous said...

I'm troubled that Josh has posted a pic of himself in Israel. In other words, it announces to the world that Anna is home ALONE in the house. I hope Josh invested in a dependable/reliable home security system no matter what the $$$.

Anonymous said...

I am quite certain that when Common Core is fully integrated it will also affect homeschooling standards as well. Although, at the moment I can't recall exactly what/how that is.
On a lighter note, I suspect that while being employed as a MD, Dr. Paine (Chad's father) brought some merriment to his patients, based on his name alone.

Special Ed Lady said...

Anna may not be alone. Her parents could be visiting, her brothers could be there, or some of Josh's siblings could be there. She could be staying with relatives or friends.

Anonymous said...

I am thinking that though married, Anna would never be left alone for that long. It sure seems like Josh's new job is full of perks/time off. Especially for a first year Executive Director!

Allison said...

Alone? Are the Duggars EVER alone?

MandySue said...

So when does Josh work? Exactly what does he do? He travels an awful lot. He comes to Arkansas a lot, he went to both the Bates' weddings, he went to the Bible Bee now he is in Isreal. In all his photos he has never actually taken one of his "office." These are more than weekend trips. Hmm.

Maybe TLC is footing the bill for his salary.

Faith said...

Kelly Bates commented on her blog that she anticipates a spring wedding for Alyssa and John.

Leigh Ann said...

In Arkansas home-schooled students have to take a norm-referenced test every year. I remember Michelle saying something about giving the kids the tests. The thing about a norm-referenced test is that it just shows how well you (the test-taker) score compared to others who took the same test. If you've ever taken the ITBS, you know what I'm talking about. It doesn't do anything to show what you know compared to a set of standards. If 90% of the other test-takers scored higher than you, well, maybe they're all just geniuses working above their level. I had some really low ITBS scores as a child and nothing ever came of it. In our state the kids take a criterion-referenced test, which is the kind that measures actual knowledge, but the benchmarks are set so low -- to make it look like the kids here are all brilliant -- that it's all but useless.

As to their lousy grammar and usage on Instagram, etc., I have friends who are college graduates who are the same. Sometimes it's laziness or lack of typing skills, sometimes the grammar lessons just never set in. Some people just never do seem to learn it regardless of how good their teachers were. From my math skills you'd think my math teachers didn't do anything.

Anonymous said...

Josh gets more time off than time spent at work. If he has that much free time, he has time to go to school. With all the online courses, there is no reason he is not in school. I got a my Master's with 2 small kids, and working the evening shift. It takes determination and sacrifice.

Anonymous said...

MandySue,
I have been thinking the same thing regarding Josh's new job. At first I gave them a break thinking most new employers give you a little time to settle in but this is way beyond even what the most generous employer would do.

Anonymous said...

I'm fully aware that this question means I desperately need to get out more and get a life but I have been wondering, does anyone know who is Jessa's little buddy? Just wondering which little one will be left without a sister mom when she does marry. Please don't let it be little Jordyn or even Jennifer. When I see those two little ones the thought that always runs through my head is; "God bless the little children." My heart aches for those two. I wonder if Michelle ever notices that Jennifer hardly speaks at all.

MandySue said...

I wonder if the FRC hired an Assistant Executive Director at the same time as a Josh and they are doing the real job and they are thinking they will get more donations from ultra-conservatives because of Joshie.

Dar said...

I agree with the poster referencing Jennifer and Jordyn. I remember Jordyn taking her first steps in that strange house with her sisters encouraging her on. What an adorable little girl she is. Michelle was at the hospital with her martyr face. Her little children don't even have the joy of an adoring face looking down at them when they are nursing. They are kept under that stupid blanket carrying thing. What can be so impersonal than that? It boggles my mind that she would welcome another "blessing". What on earth for? Her daughters have enough on their plates as it is. JMHO

Jasper12 said...

I believe all the girls have "purity rings". That is creepy to me. I feel sad for the girls in this family, they need to be out, getting married, enjoying their lives. SAHD....that is a sad comment on this family.

sandi said...

Mandysue,I agree,that could very well be the case.I've always felt Josh got handed that job on a silver platter because frc thought they could get more donations.
I would never donate to them,even if I were a conservative.These ppl proved they don't even care about their own employees,(since they brought in an outsider and not an intern or promoted a more experienced person for the job).How on earth,then, am I supposed to think they care about my family,families in general, and the issues they pretend to promote?

Anonymous said...

Dar
I'll never forget Michelle nursing one of the babies (don't remember which one)under that pillow/blanket thing on a float in a parade in Dollywood. I know we only see wht they show us but that baby didn't appear to need to eat at that exact time. In fact JimBob actually asked Michelle "nursing the baby now?" Michelle laughed and got the pillow/blanket out and started nursing. Then JimBob was really into it kept saying "nursing on a float in a parade,that's a first! I believe it was the same baby that was nursed under the pillow/blanket when Michelle and a few of the kids (girls mostly) visited the school. She was reading to young children and nursing the baby under the blanket I don't think the school officials were pleased with that. What's wrong with an occasional bottle when you are traveling or entertaining a group as the often Duggars' do.

Anonymous said...

Dar is right, the older girls already do the housework, cooking, homeschooling and childcare, Grandma does all the laundry. The older boys do the yard work, the repairs. What are Michelle's and JB's chores? I don't think it is fair to have all these kids, then turn the day to day care of them over to the older girls and Grandma.

Haley said...

I do believe that Anna is perfectly capable of being home alone with her three children. Single mothers, moms whose husbands work a lot, etc. do that kind of thing all of the time. It isn't a big deal. Unless, of course, the main concern is that Anna is going to try to fly the coop, which I don't see happening.

Anonymous said...

I think MandySue& Sandi are right regarding Josh's "job." It was just handed to him on a silver platter. He did nothing to deserve that job. I can't even imagine what other educated, hard working employees thought of the new Assistant Executive Director! Have to wonder how the donations are rolling in due to his celebrity. It reminds me of the old saying;"you can fool some of the people some of the time." You all know the rest.

Anonymous said...

What is left to be done for M&JB? Well, the have to give
advice on how to raise/train your children....
Do they ask their daughters how they do it all? Somehow I do not think so...

Willow said...

Regarding Josh's job in D.C.: I still haven't forgotten how I believe the whole "Should Josh go to D.C.?" thing was bogus. I think JB and Michelle were in on it all along. There was just too much in it for them and I don't buy that they wanted him to stay in Arkansas for even a minute. Not with politics and more exposure involved for everyone. It was all for show. Anna and Josh are not "lonesome" any more than JB and Michelle are. We all know that their "religion" likes to keep being alone to a minimum, even for the married folks.

flowerchild said...

I wouldn't think Anna would be only. She would be out of the umbrella of male protection someone would be assigned to watch her and the children.

Anonymous said...

I think someone is definitely there with Anna while Josh is in Israel, to keep her from being "lonesome."

Willow said...

Great point Flowerchild.!! I totally agree.

Anonymous said...

I agree with Willows' comments regarding Michelle& JimBobs' bogus reaction to Josh's job. It was definitely all for the cameras. Michelle gets that look of worry & concern where she furrows her eyebrows. She had that look for the camera whenever they mentioned Josh's job. It's the same look she always has when she is listening intently to any "words of wisdom" from JimBob

Anonymous said...

I happened to see a repeat (at the time Josie was born, I think) where Michelle said Jana came the her and JimBob and wanted to go on a mission trip to Southeast Asia. At first, she said they both said yes but she must take John David. Later in the same episode they both said JohnDavid said he really wanted to go on the trip. I believe he was just sent along to watch over Jana but Michelle tried to make it seem like that it was "laid on his heart" to go on the trip. Do they ever tell the truth?

Anonymous said...

Really, what parents would be bragging about their twenty-something daughter going on her very first trip alone the way JimBob and Michelle did when Jana was leaving or Journey to The Heart?

Anonymous said...

Josh seems to have lots of free time to travel around. Why doesn't he go to college? There are so many on line programs now, there is no excuse for him not to be going to school.

Bates Family Fan said...

Here comes another engagement in the Bates family! I'd rather keep up with their family and all the recent changes than watch the same old stuff on 19K&C.

Faith said...

"Here comes another engagement in the Bates family! I'd rather keep up with their family and all the recent changes than watch the same old stuff on 19K&C."

Kelly Bates said on her blog that Alyssa and John will be getting married in May.

mom in texas said...

I honestly would much rather watch the courtship and marriages of the Bates young adults than more of the Duggars goofy shenanigans. Gil and Kelly are nowhere near perfect but they have a real quality about them.They seem more apt to allow their children to grow up unlike Jim Bob and Michelle who keep their children in a constant state of childhood dependence.

Anonymous said...

Regarding Josh going to college or any further education for any of the Duggar kids. I remember when the crew asked each of the Duggar kids what they wanted to be when they grew up.The older girls wanted to be wives and mothers. John David & Joseph were already into the towing business. But all the rest of the boys everyone of them down to Jackson(who wanted to be a policeman) said they wanted to be a "missionary." I think they honestly think all they need to do is pack their bible and some gifts and hop a plane to a foreign country and set up as a missionary. Nobody told them they needed to study and probably learn at least a second language. Of course, the lone little voice of Hannie saying she wanted to be a Doctor was totally ignored as JimBob and Michelle were so thrilled about all the missionaries they were raising. Unbelievable!

Wampascat said...

I was looking at The Bates Family website. Kelly has stated that Zach's wife is continuing to work at Sonic four day a week. Alyssa is engaged and has put college on hold ( what a shame) to do wedding planning, but is working at a florist to pay for wedding expenses. At least these girls have the option and are trusted to go out into the world and work! Hurray for that at least! Can you imagine one of the elder Duggar girls being allowed such a job? Every day Jim Bob and Michelle would show up dragging the entire clan along to check up on them!

Marites H. said...

Of course, the whole gang would show up at the girls' workplace with the camera crew. Totally embarrassing. Jessa & Jinger did a great job @ the coffee shop, but their parents wouldn't want them serving male customers and engaging in conversation with them.

Nancy Ann said...

It has been just over two years since Michelle was pregnant. This is the longest she has gone between pregnancies since Josh was born. At what point do they stop calling it "19 Kids and Counting"? How about "19 Kids and Courting"? Poor Jana and John-David are 24 years old now and are still stuck at home, even though JD owns his own home. Why can this family not allow their adult children to behave as adults? Jim Bob and Michelle give lip service to the kids making their own choices, but it's not much of a choice when you know your parents would react very strongly and negatively and would make sure that God would "convict" you of your choices should you not follow your parents' desires.

Anonymous said...

Nancy Ann is right, why do adults need to get their parent's approval to get a job or go to school? What parent wants to keep their children repressed? JB and Michelle keep these adults hostage to make their life easier. If the older kids left they would have to take care of their "blessings" . That would be a hoot. They are not capable of taking care of the kids without help, we have seen this over and over on the show. The minute the older kids go away, they call in reinforcements to help out- cousin Amy, Priscilla.

CanadianCont said...

It makes me cringe when Kelly and Michelle accidentally admit that they basically pop out a baby and as soon as it's weaned it goes straight into the girl's room. Kelly even let it slip during one of the home reno episodes when explaining that the girls all wanted one big single room that the 'baby goes in here with the girls as soon as it's weaned.' Thats almost a direct quote. The Bates girls seem happier and more natural in their buddy duties however, than the poor Duggar girls dragging along misbehaving starved for attention Johanna and Jordyn.

Anonymous said...

I really can't say if the Bateses ar emor normal or more involved wit their kids. We see little of them compared to the Duggars. The Bateses follow the same Patriarchal beliefs. Erin almost had to turn down a college scholarhsip. From other forums, the Bateses do rely a lot on the older girls. One of the younger kids, Kallie I think, was afraid Michalea was leaving her for ever at Erin's wedding which caused a little problem. The Bateses are not as well off financially as the Duggars. They also have the same beliefs on no TV and are in ATI all the same. So, no, I don't see a differnce in them except maybe in carisma.

Anonymous said...

I remember when Jessa & Jinger worked at the coffee shop and all the Duggars arrived to check on them. JimBob actually made the statement; "the girls did a good job interacting with the customers, but you really wouldn't want them interacting much with the male customers." What a ridiculous statement. Then he gave that demented chuckle(don't know what else to call it)that he often does to pretend he's joking. Memories of when he went dashing into the water in Israel when the girls started talking to some men near them, even though their brothers were right there. Is marriage really the only way out for these girls? If so, that's very sad as marriage is difficult enough and they could really be making big mistakes just to get out from under their parents' rule.

Anonymous said...

As to Johannah saying, she wanted to be a doctor. I did not hear that, but don't doubt it either. What I did hear was, that she first said, she wanted to be "Johannah". Michelle said - in her TV-Voice: You want to be Johannah, when you grow up? Well, that is a good thing to be!" Somehow though I had a doubt even then, that she will be allowed to be just Johannah. JMHO, but I am not even sure, if she will be allowed to find out, who Johanna really is. And if, than only at a very high cost. Said really.

Anonymous said...

If I remember correctly It was Jennifer that said she wanted to just be "Jennifer." She really didn't speak well at all and Michelle took over when they got to her and "helped" her answer. Hannie was definite in what she wanted to be and it was a doctor. Doesn't matter as we all know that's never going to happen.

Miz Kizzle said...

Everything is about sex with Jim Bob. Everything. His daughters serving men coffee somehow becomes a potential lust-filled foray into Sodom and Gomorrah. He just may be the creepiest man alive.

MandySue said...

I was looking through the pics of the latest Bates wedding. Josh videoed it,. He was wearing jeans with holes in them. How. Unprofessional is that? It's not like he doesn't have a suit. They can not relate to real people. Geez.

hannah said...

I bet Josh just has show up for major events, interviews etc. He seems to travel a lot and Israel can take 24 hours with the stops etc. He is back home or with the Bates a lot.

Katie's Mom said...

In reading over the blog I came across LeighAnn's information on the norm-referenced tests given to home-schooled students in AR. I couldn't help but wonder how they get young James to sit down and take any type of tests. He's the young Duggar boy that can't find his work-book or papers etc. He seems to spend the entire schooling time walking around the house, up & downstairs. I'm not making fun of this young boy as I really think he needs some in-depth testing for ADHD. I often wonder if they have any of the children other than Josie (due to being a preemie)tested for anything: eyesight, ADHA and the myriad of issues that affect school age children. Jackson also seems to be following in James' footsteps with school. I just want to scream at James to sit down but know he probably has no control over his actions. It could just be the extreme chaos that seems to go on during the lesson that keeps him so unsettled but I don't believe that's it. He may do better now if he's doing his schoolwork on the computer. Of course, we don't see much nowadays re: schoolwork
since the Duggars are mostly "on the road." They can't possibly get their schoolwork done on that bus or even in a hotel room.

Beth Anne said...

Re: "They are not capable of taking care of the kids without help, we have seen this over and over on the show."

Or, in the rare case in happens on the show when the older ones are gone for a few hours, during the re-runs we get the nauseating bubble pop-ups saying things like, "Michelle was home alone with 6 kids under the age of 10!" Exalting and praising her for actually parenting and taking care of her own darn children. Duh, that's her job!

Guess what? Many caregivers, be they moms, babysitters, day care workers, etc. do the same thing every day, day in and day out, and are not fawned over in such a ridiculous manner.

Judy said...

The entire cult is very into sexuality. I feel like most of the decisions made with this family are about avoiding sex or having a lot of sex.

Judy said...

Jim Bob is a huge narcissist. Typical low self esteem with inflated ego stuff. When asked what Josh and Anna's baby should be named, it was Jim Bob, of course, chuckle, chuckle. When he first saw Marcus it was Wow, he looks just like me! And on and on.

Judy said...

The only way the cult works is to keep young adults in their parents' homes until marriage, otherwise they run the risk that these young people will discvoer making your own choices, choosing your own spouse, educating yourself, and living on your own are way more fun than what your parents are offering you in terms of your life.

Jac&Jil said...

This is an answer to a question to Kelly Bates on their website:

"The message was referring to Zach, himself…not a baby. They have taken pregnancy tests since being married for over a month now, but were sad to find no baby news yet…Of course, God’s timing is perfect and they are content with His plan…but they had gotten their hopes up a little. Love, Kelly"

Wow, not too much pressure on Whitney to be pregnant after about 6 weeks of marriage. Sounds to me like Kelly might be a little bit of a control freak. Hate to tell Kelly that it's different when your son marries as opposed to a daughter. I hope Zach and Whit are able to get away and live their own lives as the adults they are. Also, pretty tacky that your mother-in-law has to let the whole world know about failed pregnancy tests.

sandi said...

According to Kelly,the Duggars also put powder on the kneeling bench at Zach's wedding (which resulted in him having powdery pants when he got up),and wrote 'help me' on the bottom of his shoes,which he found and erased bf the wedding.
There was also the ring stunt,but idk if that was approved by Zach beforehand of not.He and John David are good friends and that didn't seem as obnoxious as the other pranks. (IMO)

tulip said...

Why does Anna always look pregnant? Oh, just to keep people talking, esp. leading up to a new season. Why else would she be wearing such an unflattering horizontal striped shirt with a scarf kind of covering her belly, which is rounded and sticking out, all while turned to the side in a photo Josh posted. I really cannot understand people defending how it's difficult to lose baby weight, esp. after a third baby and the baby was 9 lbs. blah, blah, blah. Just a few months ago, Anna looked like her skirt was going to slide right off and that peasant top was a bag, people were commenting how much weight she looked like she was losing, others thought she was denying herself food. Now, this pic people are back to defending her "baby weight".

Josh really had a nerve to wear those worn, nasty jeans to Zach's wedding, but I guess since he was "behind the camera" he had to look the part? Even the camera guys on their own show will wear something suitable if they are at an event. Oh well, they couldn't even spell their own "friend's" name right, as Josh & Anna both spell Zach's name as "Zack". Nice.

Coleen said...

I wonder if the Duggars will embryo adopt, since Michelle hasn't gotten pregnant again and there appears to be no progress in the adoption department. At one time it wasn't popular in the religious communities but this seems to be changing. Here's one family's website - http://www.graftedgifts.com/- that is experiencing this.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know if the young boy courting Jessa is a member of the ATI group? Does his family attend the Duggar "home church"? Does anyone know anything about the "home church? They apparently have services on Sunday (when they are home) but it seems whenever there is a wedding or funeral it takes place at a different church.

Judy said...

I don't think Michelle and JB will adopt at all. I sense that if they aren't biological children, they aren't that interested.

Anonymous said...

Nothing against Coleen at all but what a horrible thought (that I hadn't had yet)re: embryo adoption!

Mommy in PA said...

So Zach and Whitney are going to be as obsessed with pregnancy tests as Josh & Anna? I really don't understand the point of taking pregnancy tests practically every time they have sex. Why not just wait until a missed period and then take a test? That is an awful lot of $$ to spend on those tests (unfortunately you can't "buy used, save the difference" on these!), and let's not forget that although many tests can be done early you can still get a false negative if there isn't enough hcg hormone yet. They should put all the $$ they spend on pregnancy tests aside for diapers/baby clothes/etc for when they do actually get pregnant.

Anonymous said...

Jim Bob is creepy, the way he is always telling complete strangers he and Michelle are trying for number 20. I would be mortified if my parents said and did the things they do in public. The anniversary special with the hot tub was so inappropriate.

Anonymous said...

Jim Bob a narcissist with a huge ego...truer words were never written! He thought both Michael and Marcus should be named Jim Bob. Also, before they knew Jubilee's gender he thought that baby should be JimBob if it was a boy. Strangely, when he was reminded loudly by all the kids that they already had a James in the family he didn't care and Michelle just said "well we'll see." He just chuckled & chuckled. I wonder what those older kids really think of their Dad.

Anonymous said...

Regarding the Duggars putting powder on the kneeling bench and "help me" on the bottom of the shoes at Zach's wedding. Don't the Duggars know the difference between a religious ceremony and teen-age party antics?

Patrice said...

I wonder if these families even know anything about biology, what time of month is best for conception, and how the human body works. In six weeks time, you need one, maybe two pregnancy tests. Do they think they need to test every day, including during menstruation, immediately after, and every day of the month? Quite the waste of money. Most people wait until they miss a period. I remember Anna and Josh spouting off how they started testing the day after the marriage, when their first sex experience was only the night before. The SOTDRT
did them no favors by not teaching them the basic functions of menstruation, conception, fertility, etc. Fail, home-school "teachers"!

Elspeth said...

Pregnancy tests are only $1 each at Dollar Tree and less when ordered in bulk from Amazon. They aren't the fancy ones, but they work just as well if two or three days later in the cycle.

sandi said...

Anonymous,I guess they are making up for the fact they never had the experience of teen age sleepover pranks.So let's see what they can come up with now.
I think pranks may be fine for bachelor parties (expected) or even minor ones at wedding showers,but really,respect and leave the actual wedding alone.jmo.

Nancy Ann said...

Modesty is not only about covering up your body. Modesty includes how you speak and conduct yourself. For a couple over a certain age, with 19 children already, to tell the world that they are "trying" to get pregnant is not modest. It could even be considered vulgar or at least in poor taste. To tell the world that you (or your children) are constantly running pregnancy tests is not modest. Growing up in a conservative home, we didn't even say the word pregnant because it was considered inappropriate. How do the the Duggars justify all this sex and pregnancy talk in public when they are so strict about "modesty"?

Beth Anne said...

Re: How do the the Duggars justify all this sex and pregnancy talk in public when they are so strict about "modesty"?

And, relating to another topic on this blog, how do they justify calling themselves deeply religious by pulling stupid "jokes" during a religious marriage ceremony? I am appalled by the baby powder stunt and all the other stupid things they do to defile what is supposed to be a happy, yet solemn occasion. Didn't Josh wear shades walking down the aisle after David and Priscilla's wedding, or something?

sandi said...

If they use ovulation prediction tests,those are even more expensive than pregnancy tests.

Anonymous said...

Both Sandi & Nancy Ann have hit the nail on the head with their comments re: teen pranks and modesty issues. A wedding ceremony is not the place for these antics and the constant talk about "trying to get pregnant", is absolutely beyond poor taste. IMHO it is vulgar. I wonder what percentage of the Duggar shows have some mention of pregnancy. Every interview on the Today Show has been to announce to the world a pregnancy for either Jim Bob & Michelle or Josh & Anna. All the while the Duggar girls sit there with their modest dress and long hair..."staying sweet". Again, just unbelievable!

Beth Anne cherry said...

... And let 's not forget how extremely immodest this is, letting every one know how much they've been having sex... When they weren't even allowed to kiss until they were married!!! So bizarre on so many levels....

Beth Anne cherry said...

I guess once you're married...and can finally kiss...all modesty goes flying out the window and it 's all about how much sex you can have and how many babies you can pump out...Duggars ; please get another hobby !!!!

roddma said...

The fact Whitney has been taking pregnancy tests since the wedding indicates the Bateses are no different than the Duggars. The Bateses may be more likeable in some ways, but they still follow the same Patriarchal beliefs. It's hard finding much more positive about them. Whitney will likely have to quit her job at the first pregnancy announcement. I feel for the Duggars and Bates kids. They are expected to follow their parents.

Anonymous said...

Re: Judys' comment that the Duggars probably won't adopt. You can put money on her statement. In fact, I'm not sure Jim Bob ever really mentioned adopting. Of course, Michelle mentioned it on every episode last season. No real plans, just praying about it. I'd hate to see a child put in that home just to be #20!

flowerchild said...

These people seem to be in an infantile state. Its like Ibsen's The Doll House they are just like children playing house. There is no deep thought or emotions. Their spirituality is superficial too since they're stuck in this perpetual childhood. This is the result of shunning critical thinking and higher reasoning.

Rudy Tecat said...

Playing those silly games at weddings (with the wedding ring, wrapping up the car, etc) are just attempts to draw the attention away from the bride and groom and onto the Duggar children. If I were marrying into that family, I would elope rather than face all that juvenile nonsense.

Anonymous said...

I wonder what the purpose was in the FRC sending Josh to Israel? It's not like he's never been there before or that he was a small child(like some of his siblings were) when he went there. He was only there a short time ago. Also,apparently I have been in error when referring him as Associate Executive Director of the FRC. Apparently he is the EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, not just an Associate. Sorry.

flowerchild said...

This is also why Michele only loves her babies and doesn't raise her children, they're just babydolls to her.

Slightly Freaked Out... said...

Why is there a notion that a religious ceremony has to be staid and dull?! In particular, why does a religious wedding cermemony have to be serious? Why can't it be joyful and if that includes a few good natured jokes, what's the harm? Especially since the bride and groom seemed to be cool with the light-hearted nature of the jokes. Even the most fundamentalist, right-winged, conservative, partriarchal types are entitled to laugh every now and again.

sandi said...

Josh grabbed Anna and kissed her while they were walking down the aisle at David and Priscilla's wedding.He just had to have the attention,it seeems.
The fact that Zach was already undoing the pranks before they could be carried out tells me he was probably less than thrilled about them.JMO.

Bleah said...

RE: the whole constant sex and constant pregnancy testing...If they were TRULY "trusting God" to give them however many children he thinks they should have, then they would have sex when they wanted to and would figure out when they were pregnant in the usual ways. Their fervent PURSUIT of pregnancy and obvious disappointment when they "fail" belies the whole philosophy they publicly espouse. They are all nothing more than closeted (for PR reasons) Quiverful FANATICS, for whom having AS MANY children as possible is the end (and only) goal. Blech.

Jac&Jil said...

Surprised nobody has mentioned this yet, but Zach Bates has thrown his hat into the ring and is running for Anderson County mayor. I know he'll at least get votes from those in his family who are old enough to vote.

Beth Anne said...

Re: In particular, why does a religious wedding cermemony have to be serious?

I don't think any of us were saying it had to be somber, sad, or dull. Almost every religious wedding ceremony I attended involved a few laughs and light-hearted moments, reflecting the joy of the situation. Yet, putting baby power on the kneeler of a church??? That's disrespectful to the church and to the groom, who has rented the tux and probably wants to look nice for his wedding pictures. The "decorate the car" stuff and the "can't find the ring" shtick is one thing, but physically messing with property is something else!

The other irony is that they claim all this character-building and "Jesus first" mentality, but are carrying out disrespectful acts in a Christian church.

Anonymous said...

I feel sorry for these newly wed girls, what if they are not able to have children? That would be so stressful to be under constant pressure to have a child.

Haley said...

I have an idea for a new TLC show…Breaking Duggar! They try to help everyone else escape tyranny, might as well include these twenty-somethings stuck with their parents and taking care of all of the children in that.

Anonymous said...

It's sad when the young adults cannot enjoy being husband and wife. They go from no touching to babies in a matter of months. They cannot experience life on their own or choose to remain single/no kids. I recall Anna telling an expectant cocuple at their wedding 'We hope to be like you soon". I'm like goodness, enjoy yourselves first. Marriage and kids is the only life choice for them.

Anonymous said...

As to the ring-thing at the Bates-Wedding. I have read it on the Bates-Blog and to me it read, as if the best man did that. And he was not a Duggar, but some Andrew P. Forgot the name.
Also, in the last batch of the latest Betes-Wedding, the only Duggar I could see, was John-David, who seems to have been one of the attendants. I didn't see any other Duggar then. I didn't look too closely on the batches of photos though. Still.
Even if Kelly Bates wrote, that she never laughed as much in a wedding about those pranks, I found it interesting, that she at least, did not include Duggar-Pictures. BUT I may just have overlooked the Duggars.
Still, they became more than a bit of enough, those Duggars. One can not really blame the younger Duggars, considering, that Jim-Blob and Michelle are their parents. As to Josh: I never liked him, and never could. I like his wife and kids though.

Andrea said...

Big news Alyssa Bates is engaged to John Webster. I'm sure Jim Bob is mighty jealous. He's the son of a congressman if I'm not mistaken. As for Alyssa's education Kelly wrote the following on her blog: "Their courtship was a short two months, but they were in a relationship preparing for courtship for a year. Hmmm…I don’t anticipate that she’ll finish college now, since the love bug bit! Love, Kelly" Are you kidding me? I know the Duggars are anti-college, but I thought the Bates were a bit better. How very sad: "Oops, guess college is out of the question know that she has a man and trailer home to take care of." I want to scream to the entire ATI group: Ladies, an education is truly PRICELESS!

Anonymous said...

BethAnne,
I absolutely agree that a wedding should have a respectful tone. I'm laughing at myself as I almost wrote that after the ceremony that was the time for a party atmosphere...you know music ,dancing, cocktails, etc. I guess not!

Seriously? said...

clapping for "Flower child" 1/29, 6:09 am : well said!

I doubt any of the Duggars have even heard of Ibsen.

Nancy Ann said...

When asked about how her family is contributing to the overpopulation of the world, Michelle said that her children would be going out into the world and making a difference. She also said that her kids would probably be the ones contributing to Social Security and in that way helping others. News flash! You have to earn a paycheck to contribute to SS. If her girls are not allowed to work outside the home they will not be contributing to Social Security. Over half of her children will most likely contribute very little or nothing to help others through SS benefits.

Anonymous said...

There are so many on line colleges now, so their fears about the children leaving home and the scary world out there are a moot point. You can take your classes from home, and at most go to the college a few times a year for assignments. It would give the kids a better chance to succeed than staying home and babysitting, and going on bus trips to see how they make pretzels, etc.

flowerchild said...

Its not attending classes so much that frighten the Duggars as do the idea or free thought. The patriarchal control would be compromised.

Miz Kizzle said...

One time, I tried gazing adoringly at my husband when he was talking about something like Michelle does to Jim Bob. Husband became alarmed. Thought I was having a stroke. True story.

Duggarworld said...

I have to agree wholeheartedly with the posts mentioning how nauseating it is to hear them talking about pregnancy and how much they're trying. Plus it seems that the last two seasons of the show revolved almost exclusively around the arrivals of Michael and Marcus. Meanwhile I kept wondering what was going on in the lives of the younger Duggars. We keep seeing them grow and mature yet we don't see anything about what they're doing in life, or anything. They're always just following along in the background. I find most of them much more interesting than Josh and Anna. Anna is great, but I feel like she's been swallowed up into this life, and has totally lost her identity, and it's sad considering how nice her personality is. Josh is just a carbon copy of Jim Bob, a totally self centered jackass... Even in the early specials when it was only 14 kids and such, he was an annoying know-it-all kid always pontificating like his father.

And I agree that the Bates should still have their own show. I enjoyed watching it more than I do the Duggars, especially since Gil is such a great father and role model. The episode where he shared writing letters to his kids almost brought me to tears as he became emotional talking about how much he loves each one of them. This is a real man and father, not a chuckling goofball like Jim Bob is. Has Jim Bob ever had a genuine emotion? You can see Michelle practically cringe when he talks. I just love when he espouses on a topic that he obviously knows nothing about, and I can't help but wonder what the kids think - if they actually consider what he's saying to be an intelligent remark or if they realize he's just totally ignorant.

Muddelheaded Wombat said...

Personally I think, what JB fears most, is that his kids might know more and go farther in life than he did.
Because honestly, he may have finished High School, but he did not give me the impression, that he learned a lot in life. Except for saving money, which is in general not a bad ability. Oh and procreating of course. But apart from that? Maybe I missed something.

Muddelheaded Wombat said...

Josh Duggar talked again. I fear, that he takes a lot after his father. But then, he did not have much choice or did he?
I do think, that John-David and Joseph are able to think for themselves and Josiah as well.
Also I have hope for the boy-twins (of the younger boys). Then there is a thinking gap somehow, unless Jason is a secret weapon but thinking seems to start again with Johannah, up to Jordyn. I can't tell with Josie yet. But I do think, that Johannah, Jennifer and Jordyn do think for themselves, that don't let on about it to their parents. Which shows, that they are intelligent. Otherwise, the parents would do their utmost to crush the thinking. And in the same vein: the older girls may do the same. Look obedient, act obedient, think free.... So maybe they find a way out. I hope and pray.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the lol! that fundie deferential head tilt with adoring wifely gaze reminds me of the sappy holy card depiction of saints from back in childhood - back when we ere taught a woman's highest goal was to be a loyal, unquestioning, ego crutch to her husband. sad that fundie girls are still being "trained up" in such a ridiculously potential-killing mindset. am embarrassed that I don't live far enough away from the Duggar-approved creation Museum and was surprised TLC and the Duggars didn't capitalize on the Ham vs. Bill NYE, the science guy debate. but then again, can't risk exposing the Duggarettes to any actual critical thinking as is required in real science.

Anonymous said...

Re: the post about Gill Bates being a good father. I remember a few seasons ago Gil and Jim Bob were talking and Gill was recounting an episode where he and his family were in a restaurant and a man made a wager (either $50 or $100 dollars)by asking Gill if he could recite the full names and birthdates of all his children. He said absolutely he could and he did. He also said he took the money from the wager. Jim Bob actually said on camera; "I could never remember all the birthdates of my children."

sandi said...

I don't really think too much of Jim Bob's 'saving' practicies.For example,his inability to distinguish between good and bad debt.I think he is just too cheap to pay interest on even good debt,such as mortgages and student loans for his kids.I do agree,however,that credit card debt is generally bad debt and should be avoided.

A.Roddy said...

I was reading old coments and Josh going to a Ricky Skaggs concert caught my eye. That owuld have enver happened had he still bene at home. I am surprised they would know who Skaggs is.