Monday, January 23, 2017, 9:00 PM, Could it be Twins? (Episode 15)

Jessa and Ben listen to the heartbeat of Baby #2, which makes them wonder if it's twins. They travel to see friend Flame in concert, and Ben takes center stage. Jinger continues with wedding planning and finalizes important details.

60 minutes

Ratings:  1.070M viewers and a .32 rating.  

Sorry I forgot to update. 

106 comments:

Who knows? said...

All this teasing Jssa is doing, reminds me of the story of, "The Boy That Cried Wolf." Wonder if those girls have ever read that story? Does Jessa realize that if & that's a big "if" she doesn't have at least twins she will have absolutely no credibility? Although she really doesn't have much at this time. If she is expecting twins, she is in an extremely dangerous position,with this apparent lack of skilled medical care, unless when the show returns they show her bag packed & ready to leave for the hospital on a moments notice. Not gonna happen. Seriously, after the delivery of her first child, his size, her hemorrhaging, the girl almost lost her life with the first delivery of one child. I can't believe she wasn't advised to wait until she was completely healed to go ahead with another pregnancy. Many women who want more than one child are not able to have a second pregnancy due to exactly the type of delivery Jessa went thru before. Jessa what was the rush to produce another child so soon? If it's for the show, you have made a terrible mistake.

Ellie On a Roll said...

It would be reckless for TLC to allow Jesse to have a home birth if she is having twins. TLC along with the cameramen should be held liable if something tragic happens, especially since they are all aware of how Jessa's first home birth ended. And as for Jessa, she can't be that down right stupid to attempt another home birth. Seriously, enough of this nonsense.

Ruby said...

Ellie on a roll, there is nothing to suggest that that Jessa WON'T be that stupid again. These girls are full of ignorance and arrogance. They are clueless and proud of it.

Andrea said...

There's absolutely no way Jessa is having twins. She's currently 38 weeks pregnant and would likely already have had the babies if it was twins. Also, as she regularly posts bump selfies . . . she's no bigger this time than last so I think that rules out twins. I know so much because her due date is one week before me! I'm more curious to know if she wises up and chooses a hospital birth. After bleeding out the last time, I hope she's smart enough to insist on a hospital birth this time!

Another Nurse said...

People don't seem to realize that based on Jessa's history in childbirth, it's only a slightly worse scenario if she is having twins with a home birth than a single baby. The plain truth is she almost died in childbirth having a homebirth with no skilled medical care (well there was Jill skyping)with her first child. She apparently had no idea of his size, which tells us about how much prenatal care she had. This entire thing, i.e. they think they hear two heartbeats. Well at this point in time, they had better know if there are two heartbeats. This is all for PR & it's way past ridiculous!

Andrea said...

"TLC along with the cameramen should be held liable if something tragic happens." Disagree. It's called taking responsibility for one's actions. It's a very useful skill to have in adulthood. Hopefully Jessa learned her lesson and it won't be her dimwitted sister and mother assisting her and another trip to the hospital for a transfusion. I'm actually kind of excited to see how this one turned out! Any predictions? I'm hoping her to goes into labor, picks herself up and gets driven to the hospital to give birth with qualified medical professionals! Also a frank admission that giving birth at home was unwise. Am I ask too much?!

Just Sayin said...

Just watching TLC tonight and the commercial for next weeks Counting On is being played about once every half hour. Am I the only person that's annoyed as heck by Jessa pretending that she might be having twins?! And she turns her head and does the weird bug-eyes thing. Just who exactly does she think she is? Because in all reality she isn't even a high school graduate so she's uneducated, unemployed, reproducing like a rabbit, dependent on her cultish family and married to an unmotivated, unemployed man-boy. This is seriously one messed up family.

KitKath said...

I'm SURE Jessa will have another homebirth. They wouldn't let a little thing like "sense" or, you know, "the health of the baby" get in the way of ratings. They'll probably say something like "Jill's here, so we feel comfortable doing it at home, otherwise we'd go to the hospital given the circumstances of the last birth." Knowing, of course, it's all BS. Homebirths are ratings gold, and sadly, we know they care more about those than just about anything.

Just Me Again said...

You can't hold TLC responsible for any problems in the girls delivery. Jim Bob has said he is going to "milk these episodes for all they are worth!" In my mind that takes TLC off the hook. What it really comes down to is, you just can't fix stupid & there's a lot of that going around in that family. I don't believe for one minute that Jessa wasn't told/warned that she needed to wait for a substantial time before becoming pregnant by the DR's that saved her life when she hemorrhaged. These girls are hell bent on out doing their sisters in everything. Sadly that could mean either the life of an infant or a mom or both. Again you can't fix stupid!

five eighths said...

Does Jilly MUffin offer the same false hope of twins to mothers she helps in Central America? "OOOOh, maybe it's twins" would strike fear in the hearts of undernourished poverty stricken mothers in El Salvador. Jill is very ignorant on so many levels.

Willow said...

To Just Sayin's point: SOMEBODY needs to get ahold of the Duggar ship and put it on course and steer these nit wits into the harbor of common sense. Their leader(s) are not doing their job!!

laura said...

Re comments about home births.
It seems incredible that TLC insurers would allow filming of more home births based on their prior history. It is a huge liability and their premiums may have gone up due to both girls' situations and future risk liability.
How are the Duggars medically insured?
Will dim bulb somehow convince the idiots at TLC to film home births or will the pea brained mothers find 5 minutes of common sense and get their butts to a delivery room?
How on earth can the TLC suits not be advising them on the best course of action. They are playing with peoples lives. This is not a game.
will be very interesting to see what plays out.

Furious Two said...

I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but I have absolutely no sympathy for a woman in her twenties who has already gone through traumatic childbirth, where she almost died & yet within a very short period of time she is back in the same situation.I cannot believe that the DR's didn't advise her to wait for a longer period of time before becoming pregnant again & yet her she is ready to deliver again. Let's face it except for somebody panicking & calling an ambulance, when Jessa was hemorrhaging, she'd be dead & her husband would be left to raise a child on his own, well probably with help from one of the remaining aunts...oh that could only be Jana. Jill & Jessa have a father who is outright saying he plans to; "milk these episodes for all they are worth." Sadly I guess that means the life of his daughter & future grandchild. Well there's a loving Christian father for you. Ben needs to put on his big boy panties & stand up to Jim Bob. Of course, not an easy task, however when it comes to the life & death of your wife & child you need to stand up & be a man. It seems to me that Ben made those promises to Jessa when he married her. Othrwise if they rely on Jill as the "skilled medical person" eventually in one of these ill advised home childbirth situations, the next chapter will be a spectacular akin to the "Jubilee Spectacular." These babies are not Jim Bob & Michelle's children to do as they wish with them. It's up to Jessa & Ben to stand up to the powers that be & tell them to go to hell. However we still must remember that really Jessa & Jill are in this for the "count." If they fall in love with the baby fine, that's of course if they all live through the delivery. I say again God forgive Jim Bob Duggar for all the terrible wrongs he has done,i.e. marrying off his daughter to unknown men who have snuck in under his radar as his "Prayer Partner." Finally on to a teen who knows no better than that daddy has picked a man/boy out for her. He's done a great job so far hasn't he? In the meantime those daughters suffer needlessly in a way their mother never did.I guess we are supposed to see their Christian life in seeing them have their evening devotions before they all go off to sleep, where & with who, no one knows.

Sharon said...

Under their contract, I highly doubt that TLC has assumed any liability for decisions the Duggars make on their own. If the Duggars choose to home birth, then how could TLC be responsible for any outcome? Michelle birthed in the hospital and TLC managed to deal with that just fine.

Aunt Bea said...

With the Duggar "luck" I bet Jessa delivers wherever she will deliver without any complications and all will be fine. The same for Jill. I'm curious to see this and how it plays out. I would also like to know if any doctor advised Jessa to wait a specific amount of time before conceiving again.

Just Disgusted said...

RE: How are the Duggars medically insured? I'm not sure if Jim Bob carries any insurance on his family. It seems to me that he has mentioned before, that he does not carry insurance but pays DR's & hospitals when he needs their services. Many have mentioned that as a former State Senator he has medical coverage for his family. This is purely speculation, I believe. Certainly Michelle & Josie's medical bill were covered because Josie was a micro preemie. That means the average working person paid their bill. You'll never convince me that Jim Bob pays the type of medical coverage for his family that the average person does. It's all on the "dole" so to speak, i.e. Medicaid.

Elspeth said...

In fact Jim Bob has said the opposite that he carries a family plan insurance. He explained it in one of the early episodes. In fact, he said something like it would be foolish not to have insurance with as many children as they have.

Bird said...

Furious two,There is no way Ben or Derrick would stand up to Jimbob, they have it made! No job, no worries about working, no bills, big fancy cars, etc...

Captain Crunch said...

I think the Duggars are just too cheap to go to a hospital and pay for a hospital birth. So they risk it. 'Buy used and save the difference' could be translated into 'Birth at home and pocket the savings'...

Also I am really sick of the 'it could be twins' routine AGAIN from JessaBlessa. How soon til JillyMuffin starts 'walking thru' that one, as well? What, do they get 'bonus points' for producing two at a time? Double the attention, double the fawning from fans? Since MEchelle had two sets, is it a race to see whose more like dear old mom the brood mare?

Furious Two said...

Of course I realize that Ben or Derick would not stand up to Jim Bob. Just wishful thinking on my part & the very deep concern I have for those girls & their babies. As mentioned before, you can't fix or should I say change "stupid." It's just my opinion that those are promises made to your spouse at the marriage ceremony, that you will keep them (care for them) in sickness & in health. It's a lot easier to provide care & maintain the health of a pregnant woman, with good prenatal care & skilled medical people during labor & delivery in a clean sterile hospital, complete with pain relief rather than trying to fix something like severe hemorrhaging, after the fact. If you've seen a hemorrhage you don't forget it. This is what Jessa is subject to. I don't believe it's a case of those girls not smartening up. It's a case of who can have the next baby the soonest. Who can bring in the rating with another home birth. Let's not forget Jill lost that one if anyone is keeping count. Someone, somehow convinced her that she needed a C-section. I've often wondered if it was Derick's mom but I don't know if she was present during Jill's labor & delivery as she had been ill. It's not a case of Jessa or Jill smartening up, that's never going to happen. Willow makes an excellent point with her comments.

lisa mcgingess said...

I only have one word for TLC and Jessa Lie lies Lies. she will not have twins and her birth will probaly we easier the the last but could be worst since she did not do it in a hospital. but still hopping for triplets for her so she will shut her mouth about twins. taking care of a child is a big job and should not be taken lightly. they do not care for their children properly. and by the time she is 30 she will have at least 4 more.

Judy said...

The whole idea of this episode is so stupid. She's not having twins. She just likes to say it to garner attention. And also because if you're carrying one baby in that family, it's revered, two makes you a super star.

Aleta Myers said...

How would Jessa care for 2 babies and the Spurge at the same time?? She seemed to have difficulty managing with Spurge and Jana showed up, even to do home maintenance as BenBoy sat on the sofa. That jobless boy needs to get a job, wake up each morning and go to work like other married men and fathers. Jessa needs to stop posting crazy twin statements but concentrate on her daily life to be a mature mom and wife without calling for Duggar sibling help. Same goes for Jill & Manbun. These people are not teenagers anymore so stop trying to get media attention with stupid, attention begging posts. They have no life experience to give anyone any advice.

Meme said...

When Jessa gave birth to her son and began to hemorrhage, Michelle placed the emergency call. In her best sing songy voice she whispered "mother is bleeding" with about as much emotion as one would have when ordering lunch. I believe this was intentional, to keep people from saying, "boy, things went very wrong and Michelle was so upset about it." Her affect was so WRONG."

These people are playing with fire. Just because Jill has a stethoscope and thinks so highly of herself does not make her a doctor. And having 19 children does not magically bestow a medical degree on a woman. I CRINGE whenever I see Jill wearing that self-important face as she listens to Jessa's "tummy" with her mail order stethoscope. As someone said, physicians sometimes have to make SNAP judgments during labor and delivery. Doctors need training, knowledge and experience to do that correctly - and even then they sometimes fail. What makes Michelle believe that Jill is up for that?! Is it just because JILL is young and delusional? They've already had some close calls. Yet they insist on rolling the dice.

Nancy Nurse said...

RE:Meme's comment about Jill & her mail order stethoscope. As a nurse, I have found over my career, that it was necessary to buy a cardiac stethoscope, to get the correct reading. Perhaps my age is catching up with me but I want to be sure I am getting the correct reading. After all it involves someone's life.

Taryn said...

Most of the Duggars are delusional.

Missy said...

Many times a baby will have a large head. This is not always known to the DR.'s before the delivery time & becomes an emergency situation. A skilled DR or medical professional should have on hand forceps or a vacuum, to safely delivery the baby. This CANNOT be done at a home birth. I feel this is what happened to Jessa, which would account for the hemorrhage. This may not happen with the next baby but she has a history there. If she had good prenatal care & a midwife (if there even was one)who realized what a large baby she was carrying, it was a signal that this could happen...... very large, baby very large head. Everybody could see how large she was. Jessa this was a signal that you should not have a home birth but head to the hospital. I still don't believe it's a question of money, after all Michelle had many babies born in the hospital. I believe it's the old Adam & Eve story. Supposedly Eve, & all the women who followed her, were subject to horrific childbirth because of Eve taking the apple in the Garden of Eden. So the Duggar girls must follow the Bible.I guess Michelle escaped this because Jim Bob needed to produce baby after baby to show haow virle he is.

Willow said...

I still cannot grasp why Anna, Jill and Jessa have to have home births as a first choice. Michelle did not have any home births except for Jinger and Joe. I would love to know whose idea it really is for them to do this. Why put the younger ladies through this for TV ratings when Michelle didn't have to. Michelle had 5 kids on television, AT a hospital.

Sharon said...

This is just a hunch I have, but I think most of the home birthing is due to Miss Theresa. She's a known proponent of home births in NWA. She's also a danger to society. By the time Michelle met her, Michelle was so high risk that home birthing wasn't even on her radar. However, Theresa has been able to pull in the others and the dimwit that Jill was "training" under was in the same league of pushing home birth as some idol even when it was too dangerous as we saw with Jill.

Mickey2942 said...

I doubt she is having twins. Just drama. And, for drama, she will plan another home birth. Pathetic what this family will do for ratings. Imagine, your whole life is birthing babies. No plans for a job, education, graduate school, just tattertot casserole, flip flops and being pregnant.

Just Unbelivable said...

RE:Mickey2942. You mention graduate school. All they have is a piece of paper typed up on the computer from the: "Duggar Academy."

gen said...

I'm fairly certain that TLC has all their "stars" sign a document stating that TLC is not responsible for any (stupid) actions taken by the "stars" and the results that follow. Networks have to protect themselves against the potentially disastrous results. Take a show like "My 600 lbs life" for example, I'm sure they have the people who participate sign a form stating that if they die on the table or suffer from problems after the show, it's not gonna be TLC's fault. Without a liability protection in place, I doubt any network would go into reality tv. In fact, TV crews are not supposed to interfere with what happens during filming. Obviously, sometimes they break that rule like when Josie had her attack and Scott jumped in, but there have been a few situations when they have stood by and continued filming.

Michelle said...

I'm sure there a legal protections for TLC to protect them legally from the Duggars dumb decisions, but ethically I could not just stand by and hear Jessa ask to go to the hospital while no one listened to her. To me, once the mother says she is done and wants to go to the hospital, you take her. If I were on the camera crew and had been there, I would have called 911 myself if no one was following her wishes.

Ruby said...

TLC Still talking about twins. It seems Jessa, at 18 weeks, had not had an opportunity to listen to the baby's heartbeat. Sounds to me like she hadn't gone to any prenatal visits with a real doctor, nurse or midwife. Looks like she and Jilly Muffin are going to try to "wing it" again with another DIY home birth sans professional. As dangerous as it sounds I wouldn't be surprised in the least if they learned NOTHING from their near-death experiences last time.

Bird said...

Have they given Jessa's due date?

Twenty said...

Like Michelle, Jessa's first was a boy so maybe Jessa thinks like her mama the second pregnancy (that ends in live birth) should be twins.

lisa mcgingess said...

you are so right Ruby they will be doing it at home. surely Jill will be delivering this child? i can also tell this is another big baby and she will probably have a heard time. I can think Jim bod told them to do a home birth since it would be free. I really wonder if any of these families carry insurance?

andrea23 said...

I'm sure I speak for a lot of us when I say ENOUGH with Flame already! That scene in the car with Ben attempting to rap made me cringe. Jessa didn't look too impressed either. I get the feeling that Flame's motivation in having a friendship with Ben has a lot to do with him bringing TLC cameras around and helping to promote his music. I mean, it's not like they have a whole lot in common.

MayDay said...

Duggar wedding on a shoe string? No meal just finger foods~ yet they invite 1000 people and if each person gives a gift of $50.00 they are raking in $50,000. How does that make sense? And Joy Anna with her cocky attitude of "if they are expecting a meal they are not going to get it" boy this family has turned into some really selfish, give me give me, entitled people.

Eli said...

I don't see how Jessa could have an accurate due date with the minimal (or complete lack of) prenatal care she received. Dating ultrasounds are the most accurate before 20 weeks gestation. She could accidentally end up trying to home birth a preterm or severely post term baby. So unwise and dangerous.

Carly said...

ob·ste·tri·cian
noun
a physician or surgeon qualified to practice in obstetrics.

ob·stet·rics
noun
the branch of medicine and surgery concerned with childbirth and the care of women giving birth.

LESSON FOR JIM BOB DUGGAR: READ and LEARN

Tanya T said...

Jessa was probably told at the hospital after her blood transfusion following her bad home birth experience to give her body and uterus time to recover before she becomes pregnant again. My guess is Michelle told her not to listen to the doctors because look how close her pregnancies were and she has 19 healthy children. My mother had a friend who was in a big religious family, whom most of the women homeschooled and gave birth at home. To each their own, I feel. But, this woman came across as very arrogant to me. She felt like she was the expert on pregnancy and home births. Their was one registered Nurse in the family and she was like the midwife for everyone. I myself had c-section deliveries and Mom's friend would make snotty remarks about that, saying they were unnecessary. I'm not saying all homeschooling,home birthing Mom's are this way,but when I think of the Duggars, I can very well see them thinking they don't need to listen to a Doctor's advice. They are a lot like my Mom's friend, in fact I watch the show and see a lot of similarities between Michelle and my Mom's friend.

Meme said...

Ruby: Of course you are right. Jessa has not heard the baby's heartbeat due to a lack of prenatal care. Lisa, Jill has no business delivering her sister's (or anyone else's) baby. She is not qualified. She is no more than a young girl playing doctor. But watch and wait, folks. These girls will do whatever they desire with no one questioning it. No husbands, in-laws, grandparents, friends. If one of them dies we will hear a 911 caller with a cheerful voice saying, "Mother is dying, may already be dead. And could we get fries with that?"

Ruby said...

Eli, it is entirely possible for some people to predict their due date accurately using a chart. I did it with all of mine, but an ultrasound certainly confirms it. That being said, it is inexcusable that Jessa has not taken the responsibility of getting herself professional prenatal care. She is lazy, arrogant, entitled and a huge know-it-all. My fear is that young women who are fans of the show will try to emulate her unwise choices in childbirth options.

Kalma K. said...

So many things can go wrong with Jessa's upcoming childbirth. After the emergency trip to the hospital for excessive bleeding, she should be scared to death right now that this could happen again, even more severe due to weakened tissues from the previous childbirth. What about a breech birth, umbilical cord wrapped around the baby's neck, a baby needing emergency care to breath upon birth and so many other serious complications that need real medical intervention to save the life of the mother/baby? The memory of all the pain should at least send her to the hospital. I wonder about the cleanliness of the home birthing too since seeing Spurgeon wrapped in that brown towel after birth. I do not understand this stubborn, stupid family risking lives for $$.

Arkie said...

I don't see how Jessa could have an accurate due date with the minimal (or complete lack of) prenatal care she received.

But you forget the BOXES of pregnancy tests these women go through. I get the feeling it's just like brushing their teeth - twice a day, every day. I'm sure the minute she had enough HCG in her body to deliver a positive test, she knew, so calculating an accurate due date would be relatively easy.

Now, if you're talking about gestational size, and being prepared/forewarned of any potential issues...you forget. They have GOD (well, Gothard) on their side. No need to plan ahead. You just throw those flower seeds out there and they grow. Right? Except, of course, when they don't. But even that will be good for ratings, so why bother to think ahead?

lisa mcgingess said...

anyone notice jill was saying that a girls heart beat is 150 anything lower is a boy. ok that is such a old wise tale. now we know that jessa is not getting any kind of medical care at all. what a shame.

As a matter of a fact... said...

I seriously doubt 1000 of their guests are all adults. They probably have many, many children. So maybe 500 adult guests. So to be fair, we will divide that in half since many are couples/head of households and go with 250 families. But geez, even 250 times $50.00 is $12,500! That is crazy! And a lot of people give at least $100 per gift. So between $12,000 and $25,000 is most likely what they received. Wow, that would be swwweet! No wonder they only serve cupcakes/desserts. A real meal would have have them in the minus/red.

Ruby said...

Lisa mcgingess, I'm not sure it is an old wives' tale. My CNM told me that girls' heart rates are generally faster, but not always. But I still don't think Jessa is getting proper prenatal care. I think it's only Jill, the professional midwife who couldn't even manage her own home birth very well. 70 hours of labor, indeed, when the baby was transverse!

lisa mcgingess said...

ruby that could be true but that does not mean she is having a girl? ok she needs to see a real doctor or the same thing is going to happen over and over again. sounds like this is the first time they heard the heart beat. Jill does not know nothing about delivering a baby on her own. good luck with this one.

As a matter of a fact... said...

Did they say what the baby's heart rate was?

Isabelle said...

Jessa, who gave birth four days after her due date, revealed that although she had always planned on giving birth naturally, she had second thoughts following 10 hours of contractions. "I said, 'That's it! I'm done! I am going to the hospital and I'm going to get an epidural,'" the 23-year-old admitted. "They asked me if I really wanted to do that and I said, 'No, I don't, but I do.'

The above is from an interview posted on the internet with Jessa after the birth of Sprugeon. Can you imagine asking to be taken to the hospital and the ones who are supposed to love you, challenge your wishes while you are struggling in pain? Nice people !! If she was allowed to go to the hospital, she maybe wouldn't have bleed so badly while pushing that big headed baby out of her. That must have been horrific pain I cannot imagine.

Midi said...

I noticed that Jill made a point of saying she had been a student but now she is a "Certified Professional Midwife." Also after she had listened to the baby's heartbeat, Derick said to her "is the appointment over now"? Jill answered that it wasn't really an appointment then, she was just listening to the heartbeat. That tells me that she is going to be the:" Professional Skilled Medical Person," at Jessa's labor & delivery. Also once again, any stethoscope used to listen to the baby's heartbeat should have a way (don't know what they call it) for the DR or Midwife to hear the baby's heartbeat while the mother to be can also hear it.
On another subject, both Josiah & Joy really think they are running the show. The minute Jinger was asked a question, before she could answer, Joy answered for her.
I notice the woman who is the caterer had a young man with her who had on a shirt from the camp that Joy's future in-laws own. Amazing that they think the only way to put on a wedding, is if you have good friends that are willing to help out.

Aunt Bea said...

I don't know why an entire family must attend a wedding. These mega families should leave the younger kids at home and bring the children of age if they like, or attend as a couple. That would cut down the attendance by 700 and PERHAPS they could have a nice reception. I was very surprised to hear that SOME music was played for the guests waiting at the reception room. Why not have them continue playing some nice strings DURING the reception? That would have been very nice. I also noticed the reception room staff assuming that TABLES would be brought in for the guests as well as chairs. I'm sure Jinger didn't understand "why"?

Jasper said...

The scene where friends were pretending to be caterers was so difficult to watch. First you have all that hair around food, then you see a dirty barefooted Josie sitting on the counter with the food, then you see a woman toss pasta with her bare hands. No guest at a Duggar wedding should ever think about eating anything that family serves.

When Jinger told Joy to pay attention to the food prep.....well, I guess we know who will be catering the snacks. They are so cheap. If you can't handle a wedding crowd, cut the number of guests. 1000-1200 is way too high. Limit the invitations to 2 adults per card. Pare it down to 500 tops.

Elspeth said...

The woman mixing the pasta was wearing gloves.

Sharla said...

Please discuss the wedding food in the context of the Duggars and their culture not what your family, the neighbors, or someone's in-laws do or did.

Aunt Bea said...

Did anyone notice how filthy the Duggars' oven was? The caterer "guy" put those pasta casseroles in such a dirty oven, it turned my stomach. Does no one EVER clean that house? I believe it's messy and dirty over there.

According to the Duggars, their rehearsal dinners usually have about 200 people attending. It was so funny how Linda the caterer arrived with those little kiddie lunch boxes. She brought 5 cheeses from WalMart and 3 boxes of "those spirally noodles" from Great Value's WalMart. Nothing but the best for this rehearsal dinner!
BTW, pickles, IMO, wasn't a good choice given the menu. Pickles would have been better with a "deli" style menu like sandwiches, wraps, etc. No gloves when putting the relish tray together....yuck!

Meme said...

Isabelle I had not read the quotes from Jessa, thanks. How terrible. Jessa has referenced her extra-large head many times and I DID notice it whenever she wore a ponytail. So I'm sure she was a little worried about having a big-headed baby. I can't imagine the reasoning behind talking Jessa out of going to the hospital, but these are not reasonable people. Josh treated Anna badly too, during her first delivery, by deciding that she could just give birth at home. Then he instructed her on how to give birth, "unclench your little legs." God bless these girls. They don't know that they can insist on better care. This is what happens when Daddy is paying your bills and your family doesn't value women. Including the women.

Bird said...

Are Anna and Josh together? To me, she seemed sad, calling herself a bad mom and such..

Just Me said...

RE:Jasper's commnet about the women having their hair around the food. I had noticed that when Jinger as working in the kitchen with Jeremy's grandma, the grandmother took her hair & puled it back in a ponytail. As an old Italian cook she must have been shocked that anyone would cook with their hair hanging in their face.

Can't understand said...

I don't know why at age 7 Josie is still being treated like a baby. There she was sitting on the counter with her feet as black as coal, again have we ever seen her with clean feet & nobody thinks anything about it because she's the "Miracale Child!"

Ruby said...

How old is Jinger? 22? 23? She has the social skills and emotional maturity of a 12 year old, if that. Never touched raw meat? Never made meatballs? Never stood in the pasta aisle in a grocery store and observed the different kinds of pasta and tried to pronounce their names? Never contemplated a simple dish of pasta, sauce and cheese? Never went to the library and took out an ethnic cookbook, or any cookbook?? Never stood in front of the cheese display at same grocery store and marveled at the selection of cheeses and wondered, even for a nanosecond what a certain cheese might taste like? Cheese! It's just cheese! We aren't talking about anything exotic here. She acts like a complete airhead and socially and emotionally isolated girl. He vocabulary is extremely limited. So it begs the question, exactly what do the Duggar adult children do all day long? She doesn't go to the hair salon and have her hair done. No, That stringy mess hasn't been touched for years. She doesn't go to the grocery store, she doesn't go to the library, she doesn't go anywhere alone, ever. Oh, I forgot, she likes to shop for used clothes and she takes mediocre photos with an expensive camera. Michelle and Jim Bob should be ashamed of themselves, but I'm sure they haven't a clue.

Heart in Florida said...

What was Jana doing at Josie's age? What IS McKynzie doing at 7 years old that Josie isn't doing? We have already seen photos of Jana taking care of infants, feeding infants from a bottle and we have seen photos of her at age 8 standing on a foot stool stirring hot pots on the stove. I don't think M1 is far behind Jana, as her mother, Anna, is overwhelmed. That's because 3 of those kids aren't in school every day and she has no time to do her things around the house. I'd like for Josie's biological mother to explain why Jana did so much at such a young age and Josie is being excused from growing up.

Aimee said...

Bird - I agree! Poor Anna! Michelle has spent years telling the world why she is the best and how great her methods are but poor Anna had to share "I tell my kids, I know I am not the best mom but I try so hard" I felt so sad for her! She clearly cares so much for her children and clearly someone is telling her she isn't good enough.

I am also wondering if the other couples D/J and B/J feel like they HAVE to be together all.the.time. because of Josh's cheating. I thought it was silly that the boys and babies were dragged along to the wedding dress shopping trip and then Jessa and Spurg at the concert was crazy! It was clearly too hot and too loud! Ben could have easily made that trip alone.

Aunt Bea said...

Ruby: Well said. I agree about Jinger's cluelessness and immaturity. Another thing about her that irks me is that everything is "super".

Spurs said...

Now I understand why the spouses are always together. It is a lack of trust.

Spurs said...

I bet Anna's kids attend tutoring with Tabitha.

Spurs said...

I wish Jill would get a good haircut.

got2bdrc said...

If the babies are still nursing, maybe that's why they had to come along. I also think TLC wanted to milk the "second baby, ask Mr. V" storyline.

Ruby said...

Spurs, BINGO!!!! The spouses don't trust each other to stay pure in thought and deed and that is why they are always together. Accountability indeed.

Meme said...

Aimee, does this family's dysfunction ever end? The quickest way I know of to breed contempt in your young children is to say to them, "I know I'm not the best mother but...". What the??? I can just imagine how confusing that would be to Mackensie who is especially impressionable. Children do not understand remarks like that. Which brings me to my next topic: the traveling caravan. Fundies like the Duggars must always DRAG EVERYBODY ALONG EVERYWHERE THEY GO. This is why there are 19,000 people at each wedding. Every husband, wife, grandma, grandpa, aunt, uncle, child, cat or dog must do absolutely everything together, as a group. Most bridal shops limit the number of people you are allowed to bring into the store. Of course the Duggars went en masse. Jinger had plenty of help, just as Jill and Jessa did.

Bird said...

I think it's just a matter of time before the other shoe drops. I also believe Anna is being blamed for Josh's behavior, and most likely being called a bad mother. I hope she isnt pregnant, rumor going around she is, I dont think so, but eho knows...

Cheryl Vetter said...

What bothered me a few times in this episode (and other previous episodes) is why does Ben look so awkward holding Spurge? When walking into Jill's house for the prenatal 'appointment' and then again at Flame's show- why is Spurge 'sitting' in front of Ben with Ben holding his legs? It looks so uncomfortable for both of them.... although once Spurge fell asleep at the concert, he did look adorable :) But why don't they put the baby on their hip and carry them? It's a short walk from Jill's driveway to the front door. Drives me nuts each time I see it! I was impressed that they had the smarts to have Spurge wear the headphones.

Nancy G said...

How do Ben & Jessa manage to afford things like going to Flame's concert? Isn't Ben ashamed he is an unemployed father of 2? Wondering how Ben even got hooked up with Flame, a very unlikely friend for the sheltered Benboy.

Bird said...

I also wonder how Ben and Jessa afford so much, maybe they get their hush money, I mean allowance, I mean paycheck once a week. It's weird how all of a sudden the Duggars have all these friends they've known for 'years' yet for what, 10 years they have never mentioned them, ever? Like Derrick, Jimbobs prayer partner? Have they ever mentioned prayer partners before? I dont think it's twins, she isnt showing like it's twins, sadly, she wont know because she isnt getting prenatal care, I dont count Jill as her midwife. Im almost afraid to watch the birth..

Vicki said...

These young greedy,lazy, selfish, individuals feed both literally and figuratively off people who want to believe that they live a wonderful albeit insulated life. I was one until recently. The rampant unemployment, the weakness of character, the materialism of these young people is appalling. Jesus would spit in your face Jim Bob Duggar. You love money and attention. A text book narcissist. I'd love Dr Phil to do a brutally honest, no holds barred assessment of you, your wife and your children, yes, all 19 AND the in-laws.

KitKath said...

As an RN, I can definitely say that another homebirth would be very, very dangerous for Jessa. The fact that she bled so heavily and had such a large baby the first time increases the risks that she'll bleed heavily again. Frankly, I'm surprised the three or four "semi-medical professionals" attending the birth didn't know to massage the uterus to stop the bleeding. That's a critical aspect of midwifery, and if Jill was indeed there, she should've known to do that. The whole thing is scary as heck.

Derick and Jill look terrible unhappy. Google picks of Derick on their wedding day, and look at pics of him now: eyes sunken, wrinkles, severe weight loss, that awful jaw palate surgery that obviously rendered him with nerve damage. The Duggar curse continues.

Heart in Florida said...

Vicki, I appreciate your post very much. Welcome to the real (and very nice) world.

Ellie On a Roll said...

Don't be too "weirded" by the Duggars buying pregnancy tests by the case. If you go to the Dollar Tree website, you can order a case of them at a dollar per test, however you have to buy a case at a time. It's still kinda strange though.

Elspeth said...

You can walk into a Dollar Tree and buy as few or as many as they have on hand pregnancy tests for $1 each also.

I think the Amazon bulk buy is even cheaper.

Alexix said...

Why do they need to perform pregnancy tests so much anyway?? Just one a month if they miss a period is necessary. Why do we have to picture those girls urinating on the sticks?? It is personal so perhaps they should behave in a more modest fashion regarding their personal events. Michelle could have posted her fertile days calendar in her bedroom so the kids wouldn't know when she and Jimbob were "trying". Come on Duggars, show some class!!

Meme said...

Vicki, I too appreciate your comments. Many of us were Duggar fans in the beginning. They seemed to be a sincere, loving family who were trying to put God first, others second and self last. They just blew Hollywood away. No one knew what to do with them! They didn't fit the mold. Being a Christian (from Arkansas, no less), I was especially proud.

JIm Bob, I believe, went off course. He was always so money-obsessed. And since the family was so used to receiving from others the rest was history.

There is complete dysfunction in this compound full of unemployed, codependent adults. You nailed it.

Annie Darrow said...

It was so pleasant, years ago, to see the Duggar family, the cute kids, their sweet way of life. When did it all change?? Slowly but surely their world became self serving. When the Jill & Jessa got engaged & married and started asking for so many presents from fans, even down to candy and soda. Then Derrick quitting his job and begging donations for a mission that never really did anything but finance a long CA vacation. The free wedding dresses, free wedding trips...this is where it got greedy. This is all aside from the Josh scandal. I'm talking about selfishness, taking from others that the children have learned from Jimbob. Now the new husbands have jumped on the bandwagon, not working but living off begging donations & TLC money. They better be saving the money as this gravy train is not going to last forever. How refreshing it would be to see Benboy & Dillard working with a charitable organization right in their hometown, helping others build homes, etc. But of course, that would mean getting up at a decent hour and needing an accountability partner, if it is still required by Jimbob to be watched after they are married.

Aunt Bea said...

I'd pay money to watch Dr. Phil REALLY tell all about the Duggar family, all of them. That show would be ratings gold for him. Why hasn't Saturday Night Live ever done a parody of them? If they did, I missed it. It seems this family of off limits on criticism from the entertainment world. I wonder why that is?
Dr. Phil, are you listening?

Little Bits said...

RE: Aimee's comment about Anna saying:"I know I'm not the best mom but I try so hard." When it comes to being the best mom, neither was I but the last thing I would do is tell my children that. Before long there would be chaos in the house

Heart in Florida said...

I chuckle when I hear Jim Bob still taking credit that his children built that TTH. They did shotty work (they were CHILDREN and shouldn't have been doing it in the first place) and TLC had real professionals RIP OUT the work the family did and re-do it correctly and to code. Professionals built and decorated that house. They need to remember their own history correctly and quit fooling the public.

Charla St. James said...

Dr. Phil would treat the Duggars like Megyn Kelly did. For some reason they are treated like aristocracy.

Charla said...

Interesting - Cousin Amy telling about why she always pretended to be happy because her parents were always fighting.

Charla St. James said...

Heart in Fl....had said "They need to remember their own history correctly and quit fooling the public."

It happens all the time and not just with Duggars. People tell some B.S. often enough and others believe it so strongly they would swear it was the truth.

Meme said...

Heart in Florida you are exactly right. Jim Bob had NO idea how to go about building that "house" and I am surprised that TLC spent the ginormous money it must have cost to do all the ripping out and replacing. Jim Bob, the "tool," had his little kids walking around in carpenter's aprons using dan•ger•ous equipment like power drills. The unsuspecting girls in their flip flops and long, flowing hair, the boys jumping around and running. *shudder*. This was the house that TLC built. No doubt in my mind that the Duggars would have lost a child otherwise. Just another example of Jim Bob's stupidity and mealy-mouthed Michelle's refusal to engage. AND PEOPLE PAY BIG MONEY TO HEAR THESE FOLKS GIVE ADVICE ON PARENTING!

Charla St. James said...

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/jessa-duggar-pregnant-baby-bump-124205/photos/jessa-baby-bump-31-weeks-227978

This says she is a week away from her due date. I had never heard the exact date; just Feb 2017

Carrie said...

Since Jessa has no prenatal care, she can only guess the birth date. She should have some testing done to see if this is also a big headed baby who can rip her even more sereously during childbirth do to her previous injuries. Perhaps a doctor would recommend a C=section to avoid sudden and fatal bleeding. I do not think the Duggars have normal family empathy for each other or her mom would be taking her to a doctor on a regular basis. Of course, that is Ben's job but we know he is too busy with his religious internet postings to do much else other then admire Flame.

Bird said...

Michelle wouldn't help her daughter and take them to Dr appointments, she has no love or feeling for these babies and im pretty sure she is jealous of the attention they are getting.

Aunt Bea said...

Who gave Jessa a due date of February 2nd? I'd love to know what prenatal care, if any, she's receiving. Some things, you just can't "wing" and this is one of them.

Aleta Myers said...

Jessa better call a cab to take her to the hospital when the labor pains begin. She'd be a fool to risk her life and that of the child. Does she not worry that if she died, that Benboy of a husband would have to raise children on his own when he can't even handle his own life?

Leanna M. said...

So now we wait in weird anticipation of Jessa's dangerous child birthing at home with Jill attending. May God be merciful.

Arlene Carter said...

It is most likely not twins but one big headed baby who will tear up Jessa even worse then Spurge did since her scars are barely healed. Hopefully, someone in that hillbilly family will have mercy and get her to a hospital before it's too late to save her. I'm not counting on Ben as he presents himself as stupid as stupid gets.

Aunt Bea said...

We really don't know the intelligence level of Ben. From what I can see, he is afraid of Jessa and she intimidates him. He is the one who backs off right away and let's her take charge. It's a shame he's not the headship of his own family like they claim it is.

Aunt Bea said...

With Jessa's bad experience with S1, she really needed to have herself and the baby "measured" for delivery. I believe not only is the head size of the baby a concern, but the shoulder span too. Jessa's pelvic spread can only go so much.
Like "Dr. Jill" finally stated, after her own first disasterous labor and delivery,
" I know now that labor isn't predictable"....THIS from a trained midwife??? Who believes that ANY labor is predictable? It isn't. In every delivery, things can change in an instant. That's why it's safe and wise to be available to any medical intervention that could be needed. A change is taken every time someone chooses to deliver elsewhere.

Jan Lincoln said...

Let us all pray for Jessa. She is a know it all girl but she is also under the control of Jimbob, even when delivering a baby. She asked to go to the hospital last labor and was denied. I would be so upset if I were her , to be forced to endure 15 more hours of pain when I begged for an epidural. This is out and out abusive. When you love someone, like Ben should love Jessa, he should have taken charge and made sure she go the relief she requests. Jessa needs to get herself to a hospital at the beginning of her labor this time before things get out of control and she is unable to summons help on her own. Bleeding can go quickly so waiting for ambulance attendants to arrive, then take her to a hospital emergency room could mean sudden death. Jessa, if you are reading this, many people are concerned about you.

Hannah J said...

Jessa lucked out this time....able to push out the new kid without tearing up herself. What a stupid chance to take at home!! Now we get to wait on what will happen with Jill's birth.

Jenny said...

Just read on the internet that Jill, Derrick & Israel are soon going back to CA, to return for the birth of the baby. Oh how crazy is this with Zika virus, a possible artery problem and Dillard's wasting away gagging problem?? It's like they have some great mission to accomplish but we have not seen any photos of such. Why does Dillard have to hang out in CA, dragging along a pregnant wife and little child. Jill was a nervous wreck telling of her fears living there but now she's going back pregnant?? This family makes little sense anymore.

Sabrina W said...

Re: Jenny...no they never posted a photo of a missionary project they completed that was worth the time and money to be in CA. Jill talked to some ladies once, Dillard had a pic of him preaching to kids and there was something about them teaching jewelry??? So lame and now back to CA. The clean, well dressed locals (we saw the pics) must wonder what in the world are these people doing living in our town.

Snowbunny said...

As far as Jill's appointment with Dr Fedorsky (sp) I didn't think he sounded like he was sure that she had a problem with an artery. It was sort of like it could be something like an artery. If so she should have been sent to specialist immediately. Of course you do have to consider the source. I think it was another teaser like the "twins." He didn't seem very concerned about Derick's medical issues either. So again I say consider the source.

Heather D said...

Usually a competent doctor would refer a patient to a specialist if he thought there might be a problem outside of his specialty and actually set up an appointment so the patient could have a more intensive evaluation. Both Jill and Derrick need help before they travel to the jungles of CA. How much more weight can Derrick loose gagging up food and how much stress can a narrowing artery take with the additional stress a baby puts on the mother's cardiac system?