Free Discussion, August, 2017

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Ellie On a Roll said...

I'm hoping that Anna has taken Jill's last "homebirth turned emergency c-section in a hospital" as a wake-up call and she decides to have baby M5 in a safe medical setting with licensed medical professionals assisting. And TLC....viewers no longer find the horrible, cringeworthy home births entertaining. We're still traumatized by Anna's toilet birth and Jinger nearly bleeding out.

Mindy U. said...

When are they going to change that picture at the top of their FB page to something/someone else? Didn't they have Henry on there after he was born?

Just the facts said...

Jinger has no children. You probably meant Jessa. She didn't really come close to bleeding out. The excess bleeding had stopped by the time they got her to the hospital.

Ellie On a Roll said...

Just the facts: thank you for catching my mistake. I meant Jessa.

Andrea said...

I rarely have much sympathy for people, but I honestly feel badly for Jill. She posted a photo of her baby and one page I was reading was making all sorts of statements about the baby's looks and theorizing what condition Sam may suffer from (is. Zika). That's just cruel and wrong. Honestly, the Duggar have much to be despised for, the appearance of their newborn family member is not cool. Why would anyone choose reality TV stardom for themselves or their children?!

Sharla said...

I didn't put through a couple of comments, but I'll say this: Jessa herself said on the show something to the effect of the excess bleeding had stopped by the time she arrived at the ER. She also said whether to get a transfusion or not was left up to her. That is not "nearly bleeding out." Exaggerating the Duggars doesn't help.

Sunday said...

Andrea, I agree. I think the push back against the Dillard family is the underlying sense that they are manipulating their narrative for money or recognition. But the comments are mean. Why do they choose this life?

Aunt Bea said...

I agree that commenting on a newborn baby's looks isn't right. The child is always innocent. No one needs to snark on children as they don't have the choices that adults do. I DO and have always hoped that the Duggar babies are all well and healthy. Their gene pool isn't up to them. Let's keep it to the adult members of this family.

Trina said...

Boy Andrea I agree! I would never want that life, where people criticize your every move and detail of your life. And in exchange for what? The old mighty dollar! Not worth it!! Peace of mind is way more valuable and helps you live longer. I also saw those disgusting, vile comments regarding Sam's appearance. That is absolutely despicable. Honestly, how do those people sleep at night? How could someone post such hideous comments about a newborn and feel okay with themselves?!

Cari said...

I refuse to watch them and help their ratings but I love to come here to fond out what is going on.

I am happy that so many of them are bailing out of the tin mansion and learning what they can do. It has got to be exhilarating to be able to breathe after being pushed down to the point of suffocation. I think Joe will make a good
husband.

So Sad said...

Re: Ellie On a Roll's comments about Anna choosing a safe delivery for #5. We know she had a midwife with Marcus, when she had the water birth. They went to the women's home. I remember because they left & returned home an hour after Marcus was born. As usual, the entire family accompanied by Jim Bob, arrived at the house as soon as they returned home& passed the infant around to all the little ones. Nobody knows what Anna chose as far as her birth plan when it came to Meredith. That was during the blackout of information due to Josh. So we don't know if she returned to the midwife's home, or had a home birth. At least I didn't see anything about Meredith's birth, other than when she was born & her weight etc. Hopefully she had a midwife who knew what she was doing the last time. I'd hate to think she had another birth like Michael's birth. I hope she never endures that again, but I don't think she is ever under the care of a OB/GYN.

Hope for the best said...

I don't like Jill. However having said that,I think Jill's baby looks like a perfectly normal newborn. He is a big baby & I think that may have lead to the issues that caused Jill to undergo a C-section. He may have been transverse but nobody knows that. I had seen pictures of Jill before the baby was born & thought she looked very big. I hope with her next pregnancy, she will be under the care of good OB/GYN, although I don't see that happening. I hope she won't be planning a VBAC home birth again, with just her sisters & her mother in attendance, not even a good midwife. She needs to realize that she really lucked out if she & her baby have a full recovery & it's not worth taking a chance just to say you had a home birth. She needs to put the Plan B that she has mentioned in place with her next baby & I believe there will be a next. I just hope she takes the time needed for a full & complete recovery from this C-section & stressful labor.

Emma said...

Well stick mans (Dullard) done it again, spewing his ignorant hate towards transgender people. He took a swipe at Jazz saying gender wasn't fluid and God didn't make mistakes, he also referred to Jazz as him. I don't have twitter but apparently he was getting slaughtered for his comment, and people were supporting Jazz and the transgender community. This is a man with no job, who begs others for money, who took his pregnant wife and young child to a country where Zika virus is prevelant, he lives in a house his father in law owns and also drives his cars. He underwent surgery to his jaw and has looked ill ever since, his wife recently had their second child and much speculation swirls around what happened. Stick man needs to put down his phone, get a job to support his own family and actually help his wife with their kids and housework instead of farming one kid out to his mother and letting his sisters in law do the housework and cooking. Take your fans good advice Derick and clean your own yard before picking on a teenage girl.

KitKath said...

Oh boy...(deep breaths.) TAKE THE SHOW OFF THE AIR, TLC!! Derick is disgusting and absolutely out of control. I can't take it anymore.

Trish said...

What if Der-ick made his Twitter statement just to light a fire, drive web traffic, be a Fundie Celeb? You know, as opposed to just being vile?

got2bdrc said...

Derek's comments about Jazz Jennings were cruel and inappropriate. He should stick to subjects about which he has some expertise; if he does that, he'll never utter another word.

sandi said...

I don't doubt that Derick meant every word of what he said about Jazz,but tlc isn't speaking up,same way they did when Catholics got smashed (and the Little Couple is on tlc),so I can't help but think this is,in part,a publicity stunt by tlc to get more publicity for both shows.
I'm not sure if Jazz saw it coming,but tlc should speak up,no matter what,and not allow a child to be put down.Jmo

Mickey2942 said...

http://www.tmz.com/2017/08/03/tlc-duggars-jazz-jennings-twitter-transgender-bashing-feud

Ah yes, one more nail on the coffin. How much more will it take, to expose this hypocritical, intolerant, ignorant cult?

I encourage Derelict to continue his bashing of an intelligent young woman...

Hee hee....

Wednesday said...

And Dull Derrick is now getting more publicity than ever. He is contrived. Hypothetically if Jazz decided to spew anti-Christian statements, would Derrick then be persecuted? If so, then is he not persecuting this 16 year old girl?

Andrea said...

Derick: People who live in Glass houses shouldn't throw stones. He's a waste of space. Anyone else see the irony of the statement: "What an oxymoron... a "reality" show which follows a non-reality." Derick, you are the one living in the non-reality, the rest of us work, pay our bills and contribute to our community. What have you done for others lately?! Derick, close your mouth and sit down, please.

Genna Glouster said...

Dizzy Derrick needs to concentrate on being a man, husband and father. He is a loser, begging for money to take extended vacations in Central America disguised as "mission trips". He even asks people to send him support money while he is living for free in Arkansas. This delusional, dirty & sickly looking man has hit an all time low bashing a child. He risked his family's well being, the very life of his wife and unborn child to drag them to the Zika filled jungle of CA. Jill needs to divorce him before he gets her pregnant again.

It's Me said...

I just listened to Lawson Bates' new music video. It's good! It's about real life, heartache. Don't you know that Jim Perv is pea green with envy. The Bates children have more talent and opportunity than the Duggar children.

KitKath said...

Everyone, please help get #droptheduggars trending again!! Let's take this hateful, hypocritical show off the air!

Just Disgusted. said...

Apparently Derick is following in his mother-in-laws footsteps when it comes to the transgender issue. After all, Michelle should have been taking care of her own home & children instead of making the phone calls re: transgender changing rooms, & restrooms. Derick has a new baby that hopefully is fine, but his wife has just gone through a vey difficult labor & delivery & he should be a husband who has only his family & their heath & well-being first & foremost on his mind. He doesn't need to be criticizing a 16 yr. old girl, who he know nothing about. I thought they didn't watch TV, so where is he getting all his information about Jazz from, & why does he even care? Wherever he's getting this information, he has no business being critical of Jazz or anyone else. He should be concerned with his own family & what's happening in his own home, or should I say Jim Bob's home. He doesn't have a home, a job, a car. God only knows whose paying the hospital bill. Even the pizza they mentioned was from a gift card.

Heart in Florida said...

Another ironic thing about Derek's awful statement is that 19Kids and Counting On isn't a reality show either. Does anyone think that this family would have chosen to travel to Asia and Europe as a 'fun family' birthday trip on their own if they weren't on TV? Of course not. It's episode and TLC driven and PAID FOR. Their show is NOT reality. The only thing that's authentic is that they're using their real names and they are related to one another.
I also think they all know very well what they're doing...it's all publicity. Look at how the postings around the internet have lit up? Keeping their name in the news is what they want; either way. He does need to grow up and get himself a big boy job.

Emma said...

TLC are spineless, they issued a very short statement saying they did not share stickmans comments, but they at the least need to exclude stickman from the show, and really should cancel the whole damn dung heap! It is no surprise that Derick feels that way, lets face it anyone who asked Jimgod Duggar to be his prayer pal had an agenda from the start. This guy has seriously lost the plot, he is posting bible verse after bible verse on twitter all very bizarre, I would hide the matches if I were Jimbob! The Duggars need to be reminded that their crappy show has next to no advertisers and it is shows like Jazz who do have that are keeping their crap afloat. People need to contact TLC and voice their opinion and also stop watching, I see so many on lots of different pages and blogs saying they don't like them but still watch, why it is soooo boring nothing happens, seriously paint a wall and watch it dry its more interesting. TLC have enough programmes to fill their schedule, loosing the Duggars wouldn't make a great deal of difference, Jimbob must think hes the teflon don, prove him wrong TLC, and do the decent thing.

Onceafan said...

I find it very hypocritical of Derrick, to call out TLC, and the "propaganda", and yet he cashes his paycheck from that very channel. If he is so offended by TLC broadcasting, I am Jazz, then he needs to stop cashing their checks, get a real job, and but your pocketbook where your biased mouth is.

Grandma Wagner said...

I am sick and tired of the Duggars and their jobless husbands speaking unkindly in a holier then thou attitudes about Catholics, transgender & gay people. What do these Duggars do but hang around begging for money, food and trips. They are so Godly they only hold hands when "a courtin" yet have to endure watching their parents kiss and dry hump in public as their young hormones run wild. They risk the lives of their babies by having ridiculous, dangerous home births often ending up with emergency hospital help. They are too good to go to school and associate with the rest of the world. They do not trust each other so children are trained to spy on one other. Duggars need to get off TV, get real jobs, stop procreating like rabbits and send their children to school to stop this insane way of life, which worships old man Gothard who has been accused of child molestation, just like Josh. Whew..........that's what I have to say today!!

Opie said...

Kelly Jo Bates: "What would be more important to me is working on youse guyses manners."

And she teaches her children at homeschool. How about modeling good grammar Kelly Jo?

Meme said...

They're trying to keep a dying show alive, folks. Except for Jana's, there are no more weddings which will generate much interest. The boys' ceremonies just don't compare. Weddings are all about the bride and we were well-acquainted with Muffin, Blessa, Jing and Joy. We aren't as interested in Kendra. And since the little girls aren't old enough, there won't be any more nuptials to look forward to for awhile unless Jana surprises us.
What we would LIKE to see is a family dealing with the REAL realities - the girls' lawsuit, Josh's aftermath, Anna's disgust, Michelle's admission of her (past) baby addiction, etc. Or how about Jim Bob owning up to the fact that the love of money caused him to lose sight of himself? How about an acknowledgment of hypocrisy/child abuse by humping your kids' mother in front of those hormonal, teenaged kids?
TLC, you need ideas? We here at DWOP can give ya a million of 'em.

laura said...

Gender fluid is a myth huh Derrick? Maybe you should sit and speak with the parents of children as young as 8 years old who have killed themselves over their inner torture over who or what they gender they should be.
Those teenagers who have hung themselves over their peers bullying them because they are a little different and are just trying to feel as human as they can and fit in.
Derick should be told that God created everything and everyone and being a Christian is accepting and loving people for who they are.
He has no right to judge someone elses life.
Obviously has too much time on his hands sitting around all day playing with his phone instead of working like a real man....

Sacramento Chic said...

Onceafan: You said it all right there. Derick was an idiot to call out another TLC program publicly. We all know this family shares his opinion of Jazz but they didn't come right out and say so. They know to keep quiet about the 'hand that feeds them", TLC. This network REALLY needs to drop them. Add up the scandalous and distasteful history of this group...Jeremy also preaching that Catholics aren't Christian etc..Bin's "grave errors" comment about Catholics....Joshley's activities and NOW THIS? Others have been dropped/ or fired for far less offenses. Who gives these people a free pass to continue to trip over themselves and get away with it? Who runs TLC and it's programming?

Heart in Florida said...

Meme: I take my hat off to you. Your 'episode idea story lines' are right on and we all would tune in to see that. Also, have them take responsibility for themselves and answer the REAL questions...not with a side eye, or a joke response. You said it right, Meme.

Blah said...

For someone who doesn't watch tv, derrick sure knows more than I do about it. I didn't even know the show 'I am Jazz' existed until he opened his mouth.

Mickey2942 said...

Jim Bob is probably chomping at the bit to get a courtship for Jana. I don't see the show having any more interest for another season...but of course, I am surprised it lasted this long. yawn.

Manbun, putting down Jazz Jennings! This would be a man who is unemployed? With two kids to support, and no job. Who begs for money for his missioncations. He can't even be sponsored by a church!

Stephanie from Virginia said...

Jazz is helping keep the Duggar show on TV.

The Duggar conviction such as Michelle not showing her knees waterskiing, wearing denim skirts, wearing long hair, no kissing before marriage, no sleeveless blouses everything to do with their convictions is sexual. They need to see the movie Hacksaw Ridge and learn about a man with a life and death conviction that almost sent him to Leavenworth but Instead his conviction saved many lives and earned that man the Medal of Honor. Unlike Jimbob this man Desmond Doss, never claimed God spoke to him, he said he talked to God but the good Lord never spoke back. Doss also kissed his wife before marriage as well.

Just Asking said...

It seems to me that the Duggars, Dillars, Sewallds, & Vuolo's, are far more critical of people that don't follow their way of life than any Christians, Atheist or anything in between. I believe that any who write on the blog are truly concerned about the well-being, health & education of the Duggars. In fact a great deal more than any of the Duggars are about the people they are critical of. People realize that someday in the not too distant future, the Duggar kids are going to have to live a mainstream life & they are ill equipped to do that. They have no routines of any kind & can't even get out of bed before noon. That won't suit them well when they have to work for someone other than daddy. The Duggars don't consider you Christian, unless you are the same type of Christians they are. Why is Derick wailing about Jazz, when he has never said a thing about a brother-in-law that commits adultery? The last time I looked that was one of the Ten Commandments. To see a family marry off their daughters to men that daddy has hand picked for them, as well as the horrific home births we've whitnessed, all for the paycheck, I do admit that occasionally that causes me to go off track & criticize the Duggars. Thankfully Sharla does a good job at keeping us in check. Nobody seems to keep the Duggars in check.

Sacramento Chic said...

So, what happened to the Duggar etal's loving hearts? Derick sure doesn't have a heart for Jazz. Aren't all of us children of God, if you believe in God? He sure showed NO compassion for this individual, who IS STILL A CHILD. You have a hard heart, Derick Dillard and I think the Lord doesn't like THAT about YOU.

Riderfan said...

So, Derick makes an ignorant and offensive statement regarding Jazz but has nothing to say about his pedophile sex addicted brother in law?? HYPOCRITE!!


betsy said...

Derick is a horror story, bringing a pregnant wife and little child to the jungle where killings are common and Zika runs rampant. He is a scary looking, sick & skinny man with greasy, scraggly hair who looks like he reeks of BO. A man who does not work to support his family but begs for a fake missionary project where he has done nothing to report about. So this supposed Godly man must hang around in a free house watching reality shows on televsion. I thought they were too good and religious to watch tv so what's this Jazz thing about?? How does he know about this child? Why isn't Derick concentrating on is recovering wife, new baby and his 2 year old son plus doing something about getting a job. Derick...go away. Doubt many people like you since you are proving yourself to be a phony in all aspects of your phony life.

Pam said...

While I believe Derrick has a right to state his opinion on whatever issue he wants, he should not have brought a child into the matter. He will talk about an underage child, but he won't call out his perv BIL for abusing Jill.

Linda said...

Derick needs to "man up" with getting a regular paying day job, take care of his wife and sons, do some real Bible study looking outside parroting fundie sources, and THEN if he has time maybe tweet on the internet. I bet he'd be too tired to get to the internet par.

Hildy said...

Derick Dillard has no room to talk about anyone. Wasn't it just last year he was sporting a female hair style....the bun? This guy must be nearly 30 years old, with a family and no ambition but to beg money from "fans" hiding out in a Central American jungle town where drugs are plentiful, cheap & drug killings happen. Will Jill be forced by her "headship" to return to CA still recuperating from having her abdomen cut open, with a new baby, a 2 year old and no family to emotionally support her? If so, Derick will prove he does not care about his wife and children, only his strange need to return to CA.

Grandma Wagner said...

Derrick, you loser...leave Jazz alone. Here are some questions for you. Why have you not spoken out about Josh's adultery, pornography and molestation of little sisters? Do you not feel badly that you were not really the first one to touch Jill, thanks to Josh? Why are you, Jeremy and BoyBen so against Catholics, cutting them down and trying to convert these Christians to the Gothard way of life? Why do you not make certain Jill gets to a hospital rather then allow her to endure 40 hours of useless labor? Why do you not have a job since you have a college degree? Why are you always looking so scraggly & dirty?
In summary: clean up, stop hanging around watching reality tv & get a job, put your family first and stop picking on others. Be a man & a real Christian.

Just Guessing said...

Apparently Derick hasn't spoken about Josh's molestation adultery & addiction to porno, because he has a beautiful McMansion to live in for free, as long as he doesn't slander the; "Golden Boy," of the family. Everyone of them knows what side their bread is butter on by Jim Bob & they tread lightly on anything that might upset him.

Wednesday said...

But, but..it wasn't abuse, it was just an innocent, isolated, curious teen boy who violated FIVE females. Makes me laugh (sarcastically)thinking of some sentences 14 and 15 year old boys have received. MAYBE I could go along with the curious 15 year old if and only if it was a ONE time thing, and it was over the clothes. That should have been enough to scare him straight the first time.

Emma said...

I would love for someone who knew Derick a few years back to come forward (they could stay anon) and tell us if he was always a religious zealot. We know he was a 'missionary' in Nepal, although I'm not sure if they ever called him that because it is illegal in that country. We know he asked JB to be his prayer partner but did they ever explain how that came about? Someone on another page raised an interesting point that Derick and his mother both became more religious after his dad passed. His dad was a police officer and died very suddenly when Derick was a teenager. Teenage years as we know are not an easy time, its a time when your finding your place in the world, developing your own beliefs and require guidance, for Derick when his dad died that was gone. Did he turn to religion at that point when he was vulnerable and looking for answers? His brother only became a christian a couple of years ago, and doesn't do much on social media, he and his wife seem like a nice young couple. Whatever rabbit hole Derick fell down he eventually crossed paths with the Duggars and he hit a slippery slope, which he still appears to be on. His health has been declining in front of everyones eyes, and no one seems to be doing anything about it (phoney struck off Duggar drs don't count). I think he has now lost it mentally as well, maybe the trauma of Jills recent second bothched birth has finally tipped him over the edge. The Duggars all agree with what he said, but if they want to keep their show daddy Duggar needs to have a strong word in Miss Dericks ear, remind him that he holds the purse strings and then break his phone.

Heart in Florida said...

Just Guessing: I would think that Derick would have had the same mindset with TLC and their other shows. Why would he bite that hand that ALSO feeds him and his family, TLC? Doesn't make any sense to me at all.
Of course, the Duggar family, etal, are a business at this point and have been for quite some time now. I believe TLC is the main source of their incomes, also for some time now. They are very careful to hide their naked truths about their lifestyle and belief system so their 'appearance' words for them. I don't understand for one moment WHY the network doesn't require them to come right out and in plain words explain their lifestyle; exactly WHY they don't send their children to a public school OR a Christian school, why no community sports teams, why no REAL music lessons from a real, qualified music teacher, no social community clubs growing up, no REAL church attendance all those years, why everything is IN THEIR HOME? Why they think sequestering their growing children was a good/better idea from the rest of the world, even the other mainstream Christian residents of Tontitown? Why they sheltered Josh in the way they did, etc...so many REAL questions that need to be explained in real truth. After all, didn't Jim Bob say ON TV that he had nothing to hide? Oh, he also said after Joshgate #1, that he was A CHANGED MAN...all the while Josh changed only his costume.

Elspeth said...

We shouldn't leave people with the impression that Derick was a young teenager when his father died. Derick was in college and around 20.

Emma said...

Sorry Elspeth my error I thought he was 18/19 when his dad died. 20 is still a young age to loose a parent though.

Darlene said...

I wouldn't be surprised if Derick is all excited about the Jazz stir he has caused as all of the Duggars are publicity hounds. The quite after Sam was born could have been a ploy to get people concerned about Jill's health and speculate if Sam has Zika problems.

Hildy said...

WHY do no former girlfriends of Benboy, Derick or Jeremy sell their stories to scandal mags?
Did Derick or Ben ever kiss a girl before the wedding kiss or even find a girl to date?

panda said...

Newsflash: It doesn't matter what age a person is when you lose a parent. It is the hardest thing you will go through. I am middle age and lost both my parents within a 2 year span. The mental anguish of being 20, and losing your father, a person you look up to so much, is something I cannot fathom. Derrick may seriously be in need of therapy. Especially if Samuel has something they aren't revealing.

Mickey2942 said...

It would be interesting if "I am Jazz", decided to have a throw down, and force TLC to decide who they want to keep? Jazz or Duggarites.

I don't know the ratings of "I am Jazz",But I do know the show has received awards for reality tv, and there is so much now about transgender identity, Jazz Jennings has quite a following.

TLC, would they make a choice?

I bet "manbun" has been chastised. I doubt we will hear more about it...

Linda said...

I've actually heard that the hardest thing is losing a child. For me, it would be. I've lost two parents and there was no "mental anguish." I was sad and went through a grieving process, but it was not devastating or life changing. I'm not cold hearted either. My husband lost his father younger than Derick and it didn't result in a need for therapy. Again, it was very sad and there was a grieving process, but no life long broken wing syndrome. None of us know how much and how it affected Derick.

Debbie said...

I found an article about DD written in 2009. It was about his perseverance and determination to becom Pistol Pete, even after his father passed. One of the comments made was how Deerick only missed a couple of days classes following his Dad's funeral, because, "He knew his Dad wanted him to do well in school". Made me wonder: What would his Dad think of him wasting said education, now that he's totally ensconced in the Duggar machine?

Pretty sad...

Andrea said...

Holly asked: "WHY do no former girlfriends of Benboy, Derick or Jeremy sell their stories to scandal mags?" Honestly, what does her or she have to be gained for this? I mean, the Duggar's are desperate for publicity, but any ex-girlfriend would have to be even more desperate. Would could they possible say or write that would be of any interest. "Derick Dillard's ex's reveals the "star" drank, smoked and kissed before reality stardom." Like yawn. There's nothing there to write. The only gossip from an ex which would be extra scandalous and delicious in light of current event: "Derick Dillard's ex boyfriend speaks out about his past conduct and relations." Hello, now that would be extra fun to read, only because of what he wrote recently. As a general rule, I could care less about other's relations, homo, hetero or anything in between.

KitKath said...

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I believe Derick is most certainly on drugs. My theory is that he got strung out on pain pills after his (failed) palate expansion/orthodontia disaster. What Derick went though at the time Israel was born, when he announced he got braces, is an extremely painful and intense major procedure. There are many complications that can occur including paralysis, nerve damage, etc. He was on a liquid diet for awhile, remember? But even after, he kept losing weight and looking sicker.

I think they fly back so often is so Derick can see a doctor for a refill. Or, it could be that they go down to El Salvador so often so He can get cheap drugs. The doctor they saw for the "allergies"was convicted of prescription fraud, but is practicing again. BINGO!

There have been no updates, no announcements, no nothing announced regarding his obviously botched mouth surgery. Why don't the braces seem to be doing anything? How long will they be on? Does he only see an orthodontist when they're back in America? They don't answer these questions, yet we can see the bizarre appearance and now, the bizarre behavior.

These people suck.

roddma said...

Yea Derick needs to shut it but the thing is both Jennings and Duggar families exploit their kids no matter the message. Why do we allow this to continue? Minor kids get no pay on reality tv except in three states. Reality TV is akin to child abuse I also don't think minors belong on any social media.

lisa mcgingess said...

anyone notice but looks like cracker barrel is now giving the duggars and bates free meals? I know i seen them do adds on the bates show and all of the sudden the duggars are eating all their birthday meals at cracker barrel? seems like they are getting free items from their all of the sudden?

roddma said...

Re: Lawson Bates's video
I haven't seen it but it seems this seems to be about the life he wished he had. Talent or not, none of the Bates or Duggar kids got to participate in sports teams or normal activities. Home schoolers commonly can participate in local sports, scouts, etc. But like the others Lawson was stuck at home all day getting schooled with the younger kids and working for Dad.

Sacramento Chic said...

Andrea: Apparently the only Duggar son-in-law who has obviously had any girlfriends before their wives is Jeremy Vuolo. I believe Derick had 'no real girlfriend' and Ben, obviously had no girlfriend at all before Jessa. So, if anyone had escapades with Mr. Vuolo, they'd be the ones to come forward. I also doubt that Derick attended NO parties in high school or college at all. It's possible to attend a party and not get drunk, have sex etc...but I'm sure he was able to function socially in school. I'd like to hear about those times. This is also something the Duggar children are forbidden to experience...so sad that those girls have no life experience outside of their parents hovering over them or their accountability partners.

Aunt Bea said...

Apparently Derick gives his college education no value. I wonder what Cathy would have done without hers?

Grandma Wagner said...

Let's not make excuses for Derick's behavior. He had free will to hang out in Nepal probably doing nothing but selfishly enjoying himself like he's doing now. It seems he's been a selfish loser all the while. The job at Walmart might have been a little ploy to get people to think he would have a normal job..then suddenly God tells him to go to Central America, to beg for money, to risk the lives of his family. Now he's home with nothing to do but live in a free house and harass a 16 year old child and a quickly as possible, he'll drag recovering Jill and the little children back to the jungle. Someone should have a serious talk with him.

Zeep said...

Or to get them to focus on him and avoid discussion of Jill and the baby's problems. They are masters at this game.

Zeep said...

Interesting comment. Now I wonder if this whole stink is really TLC's way of getting both shows more publicity! Hmmmm!

Rudy Tecat said...

Derick Dillard was his college's team mascot, for goodness sakes! He must have traveled with the team and the cheerleaders, sat around on buses with them, stayed in motels with them, etc. Someone must have some stories to tell!

Carole Lee said...

Why are they keeping so quiet on the new baby Sam? I see no happy photos of the Duggar kids meeting their new nephew/cousin. I will say this, and it might not sound very nice, but to me Sam has a strange look about him, the nose & top of head shape. I am hoping he is just fine and these are only new baby features. I read that babies with Zika can look rather normal but have other problems like deafness and mental development issues. If this baby has a Zika thing, how will Dim Dillard justify his forcing Jill to live in Zika land and getting her pregnant? Is he now diverting attention from the mystery baby & birth to Jazz as if the fans will forget about the birth details that the girls are always to anxious to share?

Gertrude said...

Jeremy & Jinger's fb shows her looking so beautiful in high stacked heeled shoes, lovely tight fitting pants, a pretty sleeveless blouse and her hair pulled back and less makeup....all against Jimbob, Michelle & old man Gothard's rules. I bet she gets the haircut soon. She and Jeremy look like a happy, normal couple. Will the sisters toss away their sorry, thrift shop clothing and follow Jinger?? We all know Jessa wants to be the prettiest so she may be green with envy.

Tori said...

Sacramento chic: Apparently in the updated version of the girls book (I haven't read it) Derick tells that he had a couple of girlfriends before Jill, but was never chaperoned. How did he get the a ok from Slob bob seeing how he had given away at least two pieces of his heart before moving in on the muffster? If I were one of those girls he dated I wouldn't want to be reassociated with him or the Duggars. Just look at him he has totally lost the plot, he looks awful, I would deny ever having known him. I think Jill followed him to work everyday for lunch because she was jealous of the women Derick was working with, it was as close to being chaperoned as she could get. I am sure it eats her up to think he had other girls before her, those girls are all very insecure.

laura said...

I am in no way being mean or snarky here but does anyone else think israel in the latest IG family pic with baby sam looks withdrawn?
His eyes are strange and unevenly swollen looking and his smile is not...happy.
Havent seen any other comments on this and i read some of the comments on the IG post. Some people really are horrible with what they say. It is sad. I feel sorry that israel has to be raised by 2 fools who focus so much on how others should live that they do not see how ignorant and warped they are because of religion.

Frannie D. said...

Yes, Laura, I notice Israel often looks depressed in the photos. Remember the poor boy screaming in the tight bundling photo. Wonder what Jill & Derick are doing to him now to keep him from having a happy childhood smile on his face.

Meme said...

Grandma Wagner, your post about Derick was right on. That selfish young man needs to think about someone other than himself. His "sweet" wife was raised to submit to him and he knows this & has taken advantage of it. Everything is about Derick. He has a great mom but I feel that she probably spoiled him after Derick's father died.

Striking out to Nepal as a single man is one thing. Dragging your scared-to-death wife and two babies to godforsaken CA is another. Murders, Zika, scorpions, murders, questionable food & living conditions, murders. All so that Dear Derick doesn't have to grow up and get a real job. MY dad would be rearranging Derick's teeth again!

roddma said...

Now I know why Lawson bought groceries. I read elsewhere Gil only started work in the afternoon, so I'm sure it limited income. Usually tree service crews come early.

Anonymous said...

why do these pople keep saying and austin were friends for 15 years? now they are coming out and saying joy had her eye on austin for four years? and she told no one about that I am sure is true because there mother does not talk to them and who could they go to they have no friends ok friends they make up to make beleive they have outside realtionships from their family.

Mickey2942 said...

"Bates Time", same as "Duggartime", they can't get up and out of the house before noon. No wonder Gil is self employed.

franny said...

If Jimbob loves his daughter Jill, he needs to stand up to Dillard regarding taking Jill and the babies away to CA yet again. She will only get pregnant again, with the Zika threat hanging over their heads. I have a feeling something is terribly wrong with Sam and/or Jill but Dillard is ignoring the issues....putting it in God's hands, an easy excuse not to face failure and problems. There are no joyful photos of the family meeting Sam and just a few obligatory postings from Jill. No word from the sisters about the cute new baby. Is this a sick publicity stunt to garner interest or is there something very wrong?

Margie said...

Duggars keep saying Austin and Joy were friends to try to justify marrying the young girl off so quickly.She was not allowed male friends so "friends" is a lie. The marriage was arranged by the parents for their own publicity & financial benefits. The kids, hungry for attention, went for it and were rewarded by TLC with a month long international honeymoon. Hope Joy waits to get pregnant and when she does, is permitted to have a pain free birth in a hospital, not suffering in front of a bunch of relatives in some campground cabin to boost the TLC show ratings.

Barbara M said...

It might not be right to say this, but I think Samuel has medical problems due to Zika. He looks a bit different. It's like the family, who usually is all over the place with wonderful words about a new Duggar addition, has clammed up about baby Samuel.

imaamy said...

I looked at the pictures I could on IG and he looks like a normal baby to me, just big for his age.

everythingieverwanted said...

I wonder when Anna will have her baby, or if it has already happened and they haven't published it. There was speculation that it was due in July.........and here we are in August and no word. She was pretty big in the video that was shared of Anna and her siblings surprising their mom on Mothers Day back in May.

Bubbles said...

I haven't seen any pics except the first ones of baby Sam, but I find it interesting that they're very quiet about him and then Derrick comes out saying "God doesn't make mistakes." Sounds like maybe he's struggling to accept that himself?

Andrea said...

I like Bubbles comment. Obviously, it's not our business, but being born gender ambiguous or androgyny is a real medical condition. There's no shame in it and it would sever a large helping of humble pie to Duggars &Co. That said, I hope it's not true. I hope it's something simple, like Jill's suffering from postpartum depression and she's working on getting the medical care her mental health requires.

Nadia said...

The bible passages that the Dillards have been posting on IG tell of working on acceptance of a problem.
I would say there is an unexpected problem regarding the birth of baby Samuel and Jill is struggling.

Lyla said...

Andrea are you saying that the Dillard's 2nd baby is gender ambiguous or androgyny??

Coyote said...

They are probably embarrassed

Tatiana L. said...

Since they are not making a big fuss over this baby, something must be wrong....and wouldn't it be horrible for these Christians to push away a baby with a problem. What's going on Duggars???

Just Saying said...

I wouldn't waste a minute hoping that Joy waits to get pregnant. That's all she could talk about once she was engaged. I'm sure it will be a honeymoon baby.

Fed Up said...

If all this blackout on Jill & the baby is just a publicity stunt, it would be one of the worst things I've ever seen the Duggrs do. No child should be "used" this way. But I don't put anything past the Duggars. Everything now is about what publicity they can get, & this seems to be working for them. People all over the internet are speculating about both the baby & Jill. They no longer care whether it's good publicity or bad, just get their names out there. I wouldn't want to be a member of that family for anything. I hope & pray that good people will see them for what they are & finally turn their TV to anther channel. I agree with let's Dump the Duggars.

Aunt Bea said...

I honestly don't think that Samuel has any male/female sex issues. He's a cute little guy. I do believe that something occurred immediately during his delivery and he had to be monitored for it. They really should clear the matter up and state what occurred, if anything and if Jill suffered any 'damage physically' during the labor. They're so vocal on many private matters, this is not a sensitive/intimate/sexual matter between married people, but a general health well being issue.

Frannie D. said...

Dump the Duggars. It's about time as they are no longer the sweet, interesting family with so many kids. Now they are manipulative, lazy people expecting others to support their selfish ways. True Christians think of others and help humanity.

Emma said...

Derick Dillard is really enjoying this twitter rampage he is on, and it is obvious that he is reading some of the blogs. Someone on a very well known anti Duggar blog mentioned that Derick must not know the New Testament as he continually posts hellfire and damnation posts from the old testament, so first post today Corinthians (NT). He is definately getting a kick from all of this, and probably sees himself as a persecuted christian fighting a war of words with heathens who are heading straight to hell. There are slates off the roof and squirrels in the attic with this one, thankfully there are more people on twitter telling him to pipe down and get lost than agreeing or supporting him. Wish Jimbob would just shut him down, or better yet TLC shut the whole three ring circus down.

Just saying said...

Of course Joy will be pregnant immediately, in fact she's probably already pregnant. I also look for her to have her baby unassisted by medal personal at the campground. Of course she will have the TLC cameras there. Anything else wouldn't be Duggar like.

Andrea said...

Lyla said: "Andrea are you saying that the Dillard's 2nd baby is gender ambiguous or androgyny??"

Oh gosh no. Just saying if that was the issue, it would d be a serving of humble pie.

Mary said...

Hi

Refuse to watch this show. Reading the posts here about the baby and Jill. The baby looked ok to me. Jill on the other hand has not.
Just wondering if they had to operated on her because of time in labor. The worse thing to happen to a woman in the duggar family is to have a (can't spell the word)her womb removed

Mary

Linda said...

News!!! Derick and Jill have "discerned" that they will remain in NWA for now.

Medical issues, fired from SoS, or what?

Michelle said...

Baby Samuel looks OK. If there is a problem, it must be with Jill. Of course I wouldn't put it past them to keep quiet in order to keep everyone wondering for publicity sake.

We will probably never know since medical records are confidential. However, if Jill can't have anymore babies, that will become evident over the next few years.

Emma said...

Yep somethings up the Dillards are staying in NW Arkansas! Apparently to be missionaries you need flexibility whod a thunk it, and God is leading their mission work local! Who is going to pay them now, not sure so many will pay for them to brave the dangerous jungles of Arkansas. Maybe they will up their appearances on countin on, oh wait...

Bobbi A. said...

If Jill did have a hysterectomy (or some other similar reproductive system-altering procedure), she will be in the depths of despair and serious postpartum depression/psychosis. If she is unable to bear more children for the Duggar kingdom, her whole purpose for living is gone forever. That's my guess for the lack of info the family is giving the public.

betsy said...

discern
verb
1. distinguish, determine, detect, discriminate, pick out, differentiate, make a distinction We've been trying to discern a pattern in his behaviour.
2. see, perceive, make out, notice, observe, recognize, behold, catch sight of, suss (out) (slang), espy, descry Under the bridge we could just discern a shadowy figure.
Collins Thesaurus of the English Language – Complete and Unabridged 2nd Edition.

Again a Duggar is trying to use a "big word" and doing it incorrectly. This time the college educated Derick did it with discern. Sort of like "jurisdiction" or "defraud" used in strange and incorrect ways. Why don't they just say the decided to remain in Arkansas. I wonder if Derick will still beg for money. Many people have regular jobs and also volunteer their time for religious or humanitarian causes. It will be interesting who he will be annoying with his converting to Gothardism in Arkansas. Actually no paying job is needed for the Dillards as they live in a mini mansion free of charge. I can see Jessa getting very jealous as she has more kids and is stuck in grandma's little house. Jimbob now has to find larger housing for Benboy & Jessa. Can you imagine if Jill was forced to switch houses with Jessa as Jessa's family will grow and very possibly Sam was the last child Jill will have. I suspect there is some internal drama coming up in wonderful Duggarworld.

Gina Marie A. said...

Like no one wants to see like Delusional Dillard and like his wife like on TLC. Like boring people with like over inflated egos pushing their ways on like the citizens of Arkansas.

Gerti Conover said...

You'd think by now there would be the usual photos of little snotty nosed, dirty hands Duggar kids holding the baby Sam. This is quite unusual that there are no pics of at least Jessa & her boys meeting their new nephew/cousin. With the decision to remain in Arkansas, there sure must be a behind the scenes problem, maybe Jill has flipped out, considering the curious sayings & bible verses she keeps posting.

Hannah J said...

Someone in Dillard's family needs local medical help. Already Dillard is being an aggravating arse on his IG account, apparently with nothing to do but bully a child and think of ways to get free restaurant meals. Doubt he or Jill have to clean since those poor little Duggar slave girls, who should be in school, are probably sent over again to do the big deal of putting dirty wash in the machine and other household chores.

sandi said...

My guess is JB will build an addition to Jessa and Ben's house,as they do have a back yard and room to expand,it seems.Although it might just be 2 large dorm rooms,one for each gender.
I guess we'll see

Opie said...

Dump the Duggars. Derick is just another weak, insecure male who loves to hear himself preach so that a few very stupid people will look up to him. Close your bible and get on with life...

Cole said...

Could be warring factions of the family. Dillard vs Jeremy and Jessa siding with Jinger and all of their other baggage (Josh)....no one is getting along like they pretend to do on TV. I know one thing- Joe has no personality worth watching. I would rather watch paint dry. I say dump em and let them try out their survival skills.

Dusty said...

At least warring factions in the family will put some excitement into an otherwise boring show......if they show the wars to drum up interest in dreary Duggarville. Yes, Kendra & Joe are dull as can be. That boy has not been permitted to develop a personality and there is nothing going on with Kendra. Probably anyone else's life is more exciting then the Duggars since normal people have friends, romance, jobs etc. I'd love to see a reality show on how Anna is dealing with Josh on a daily basis, her thoughts as she goes through the motions of living with the cheater. Also, Jinger & Jeremy Alone and In Love.

lisa mcginess said...

I truly beleive the dillards are not going back the central america because something is wrong with Jill she may have some kind of depression? or some medical issues? they will not be doing any mission work in the states. derrick will be working for Jim bod doing some kind of work in real estate or something? I do hope Jill gets better she does not look well at all. she totally has a fake smile in all the pictures I have seen of her.

Grandma Wagner said...

Derick is delusional, not in his right mind. What man wants to look so scraggly & dirty, wasting his college education, opting for begging from "fans". Isn't it said that cleanliness is next to Godliness? Also the bible say if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever. Now it seems Jill has problems after the birth and they are not going back to CA. I feel this is not Derick's choice and he will resent Jill. His narcissistic need for recognition will cause him to spend hours pontificating in the media, turning more people off to the Duggar clan. It is possible Derick will leave Jill with the children and run away seeking adventure since he is not really following a true Christian way of life.

Darlene said...

Jill could have flipped out, crying and saying she is refusing to go back to CA with 2 babies and no family support, surrounded by dangerous jungle and killers.

Mickey2942 said...

Under the thumb of JB Duggar...for money, food, clothes, everything. The man is so cheap, he doesn't even buy his kids decent shoes. Dirty flip flops. Ugh.

As a matter of a fact... said...

I think that would actually suit Derrick, working in real estate. At least, he would be using some of the knowledge he went to school for. You have to be good at 'numbers' for the closing and such. And I honestly think Derrick looks 100% better now that he is shaved and has a decent haircut. He doesn't look dirty or scraggly at all. Now a few months ago with that ugly beard and long hair, he looked homeless.

Just Furious said...

I have said from the very beginning, when the Dillard's announced their "missionary work," that here is ample work that needs to be done in this country. I'm sure that Arkansas is an area that would be grateful, for any & all help any volunteers could offer. No offence to those that live there & get up & go to their jobs daily & support their families. However, in an area where many jobs have been lost, also people suffer from illnesses & can't work or pay for medical insurance, they need help. Habitant for Humanity, seems to be able to find plenty of work to do all over this country. Have the Dillard's ever considered helping Veterans who need ramps built on their homes, due to severe injuries sustained in defending this country? Jim Bob is always spouting off about how they pray for the soldiers who defend this country, although none of his sons have ever entered the military. Praying for them isn't helping them out in their activities of daily living. These veterans also need rides to hospitals for medical care. Actually their needs are endless. Certainly Jill or Derick are capable of driving a veteran to a hospital or helping to renovating their home so they would be able to easily get around their home without severe difficulty. Jill could help the wives who have so much on their shoulders. They have children to care for, husbands to care for & certainly need someone to talk to or a shoulder to cry on when they are just overcome with depression. Yes there are plenty of people who need help in this country but I doubt you'll see any of the Duggars/Dillards stepping up to the plate to help then out.

Andrea said...

Dusty said "At least warring factions in the family will put some excitement into an otherwise boring show."

I agree, but we'd never see the true drama! The Duggar's can only be portrayed as the loving, harmonious family we all suspect they're aren't! Still waiting for our rogue family member to break his or her silence and give us the real dirt!

Just saying said...

Re: Emma's comment. They will probably be doing many more speaking engagements at a much higher fee than ever before.

Just Me said...

Re: as a matter of fact's comment. Pictures I've seen of Derick since Samuels' birth, his hair is getting long again, stringy & dirty loking, he's wearing a cowboy hat & he just looks dirty. Not someone I'd want to do business with.

Willow said...

I just want to say, totally random, but what about Jana and Jeremy's brother Charles? I am sure he is a Christian, although I don't know that for sure. He has a beautiful smile like Jeremy. Hope someone has thought of that. ha. Just a little lighter subject for the day. It seems Jeremy treats Jinger well and that would be wonderful for Jana. O.k., now back to the Dillard problems. LOL.

everythingieverwanted said...

I see all of the comments about Derick.......and I understand them, but also believe that there could be more at work here. We all know what a control freak Jim Bob is. We all know that on many, many occasions he has stated that he would love all of his married kids living on their property etc. In the beginning, I really felt like Derick was good for Jill and that when they first went to CA that he was possibly getting her away from Josh......the man/boy who molested her as a child. Now, I wonder if he has changed so much because of the effect of Jim Bob and the rest of that family on him. It is just a thought. Also, they may possibly have decided to stay in America for more opportunities to be on the show......and more pay from TLC. Just another thought. If that is the case, be honest about it. Don't say that they feel led to continue their ministry in ARK for now......speak the truth. Truth goes a lot further than fiction.....

Nancy said...

I think they both failed at the job SOS hired them to do but also impacted the SOS missioncation business. Out of the two years working for SOS, just how much time did they spend in Central America actually helping on the mission trips? In the last close to a year it seems they may have been there about three months. Plus all the talk of how dangerous it was and lately with people they knew being murdered, how many people decided to stay home rather than go on the SOS trips? They still haven't learned Spanish.

As a matter of a fact... said...

Just me, Those pics were older ones. Go to Jill's instagram. His hair is short in length. The cowboy hat pic is definitely not recent. That pic is one of the ones I was thinking about when I said, he did look scraggly. He looks MUCH better now than he did.

Emma said...

Everything: Great post and you are right about Jimbob being a control freak, however I think Derick has gone 'rogue' for a different reason. He was always religious but something really shifted after he had his surgery, some people have mentioned dependence on pain medication and after the major surgery he went through this could be possible, it would explain the unkempt appearance, the constant posting of bible verses and eratic behaviour. I think Jimbob would be most worried about Dericks attack on TLC and in order to protect the brand has ordered him home. Also Jill is daddies blue eyed girl and he may be worried about her being dragged back to CA in such a fragile state. Derick has become a loose canon and while I am sure Jimbob agrees with his transgender rant (he hasn't the guts to go public) he is smart enough to see the backlash, which still continues, and needs to keep Derick where he can see him and step in if necessary. Jimbob needs to be grateful its Derick that has gone loopy, if it were Jeremy I don't think he could contol him just as easily.

Tori said...

Has anyone else noticed the change to the Dillards statement published on DFO? In the original post no mention was made of no longer collecting donations, but on the DFO version they say that from this month they will no longer be collecting donations through Dillard family ministries. So is Derick going to get a real job or are they thinking up a new way to get vulnerable people to part with their cash? Wonder what or who prompted this change, Public criticism, Jimbob or the IRS?

Mickey2942 said...

http://www.parents.com/pregnancy/complications/birth-defects/zika-virus-everything-pregnant-women-should-know/

This article is interesting, and confirms something I suspected. That, along with the information that the Dillards won't be going back to CA.

I won't say anything, that is not confirmed, but it would not surprise me if the family keeps private medical information, in this case, mum.

Aunt Bea said...

I'm sure the Dillards will come up with another 'name' to ask donations for pretty soon. Derick has no job; he left WalMart pretty much burning his bridge with them; silly boy.

Always said...

Re: Tori's comments. I think Jim Bob now has Derick under his control. He's not going to let him do anything to jeopardize their relationship with TLC. I also don't think he'll get a real job but like the others he'll work for Jim Bob, where Jim Bob can keep a close eye on him. Jim Bob must be furious that he has turned out to be such a loose cannon. This marriage has disaster written all over it.

Jak&Jil said...

There's a picture of the Dillards on their family blog page, and, I'm sorry, but Jill looks just awful for a woman of only 26. She's wearing a very ill-fitting, ugly dress that looks just a little better than a potato sack. Her hair is up but still looks messy. The hair and clothes make her look closer to 40. I understand she had a difficult birth and possible problems, but I think she could make herself look a little more presentable.

And my hat is off to Just Furious for all her suggestions as to how the Dillards can help the wounded veterans. I'm sure there is a VA Hospital in their area that would be more than happy to steer them in the right direction to volunteer their services. There's also great organizations like the Wounded Warrior Project and Paralyzed Veterans of America to name a few.

everythingieverwanted said...

Emma - I do agree with what you have in your post as well. I really, really liked Derick in the beginning, but there is something that has changed, and it could very well have something to do with meds......that would explain how he just goes off without really thinking things through. I just pray that if there is a problem with him that either the Duggars (which I doubt) or his mom will step in and get him the help he needs. Regarding Jill........I feel for her. She has been raised to believe that her only worth as a woman is as a wife and mother (baby making machine). If that is gone, it could really send her into a deep depression. I keep going back to that blog post by Michaela Bates and her sharing a bit about infertility and the effect it has had on her......and how she has really had to work through some things because having a baby had been her singular focus. I do hope that Jill did not have to have a hysterectomy. She is so young, and I just think she emotionally couldn't handle that right now. However, if she did. I hope and pray that SOMEONE (definitely not her month) will come forward and help her through what would definitely be a very hard journey for her.

kimberly said...

Mickey, I just checked out the Zika article you recommended. It was insanely foolhardy for the Dillards to go to CA while wanting to get pregnant. Derick could have even transmitted Zika to Jill. Zika infected children can have problems other then the small head. It could be that the baby is testing positive for Zika and they must wait and see what transpires with Sam as he develops which could be terribly stressful for years to come. Of course, they would not admit to this as it would be admitting to very stupid actions on their part. If this is true, what a selfish, thing Derick has done, risking a child's entire future, doing not much in CA but enjoying a long, free vacation. Jill is not responsible as she has been brainwashed to follow her "headship" without question. So now they remain in Arkansas, Derick will have to get off the computer and go to work like a grown up man. Jimbob must be stressed out trying to control delusional & lazy Derick. That's what he gets for pushing his immature daughter on some man who most likely had it all planned....become a "prayer partner" with Jimbob and work his way into the family and celebrity by marrying any one of the daughters.

.Layla said...

I say forget about Dillard helping anyone other then himself. There are any number of charities that could use a helping hand but if he's not getting a donation for supposedly helping, I doubt you will see him do anything. The donations are drying up and who is going to attend a phony Arkansas ministry with him, no training or degree, preaching away? Down in CA, the hall he was preaching in was almost empty in the few photos they shared. Also, what's up with Benboy? Years are going by without a job. We can't call whatever degrading handyman chores Jimbob forces these guys do a real job.

Katie Mac said...

Derrick is showing signs of religious mania, the delusions of a vengeful God, the grandiose idea of him praying for everyone, quoting random bible texts etc this is a symptom of schizophrenia sadly. He will only get worse without professional intervention and we all know that's never gonna happen. The more psychotic he becomes, the greater his chance is of staying that way permanently. My 30 year old son has schizophrenia.

Andrea said...

Katie Mac: You're comment is really scary. I'm sorry to hear about your son and truly hope Derick is just having a difficult moment, not a schizophrenic break. That's really scary and sad to think about. Hope Jill and her kids are safe. I must say his prolific twitter rants are really concerning. Someone needs to take his iPhone away.

Gerti Conover said...

I have heard that schizophrenia often presents in early adulthood. If this is what is fueling Derick's delusional behavior, poor Jill is in for a sad life. I am concerned about their little boys. Israel often does not look happy in his posted pics and there have been marks on his body and swollen looking eyes. There is such a difference between Israel and Jessa's happy boy. Maybe Derick will hear God tell him to run away to save a remote area of the world, leaving Jill behind.

Meme said...

No one ever begged Derick to come to CA. The Dillard's had to MAKE a way to go. They begged for donations and Derick quit his job. TLC showed us an episode where Jill appeared to be enthusiastically discussing mid•wife•ism (how's that for a word) with a CA woman who was also in the childbirth business. Jill walked around inspecting the place, with her hair piled professionally atop her head, making observations and comparisons, chatting away. Grandma Duggar had already made the statement that she believed Jill & Derick would be "quite the couple".
Well, the big adventure proved to be about as real as Jill's homemade, cardboard "Congratulations, You're A Midwife!" sign. Derick never preached to the masses and Jill spent her time cowering at home rather than birthing babies. She is one disillusioned young woman, absolutely bewildered why her fairytale life never worked out. Derick, on the other hand, is a mystery. WHY did he do it? And WHY is he doing a one eighty NOW? We can sure speculate - Jim Bob's control, Josh's scandal, Derick's laziness, Jill's health, Derick's health, the baby's health, Jim Bob's money, etc, etc, etc. Only they know and they aren't ever going to be honest about why they went and why they're coming back.

lisa mcgingess said...

today is kendra 19th birthday. she should be enjoying her life instead of rushing into a marriage with someman. I just do not get it what Pastor and father would want their daughter to marry into that family is her family brain washed to let her get close to anyone in that family and marry that young? I really wonder what this guy preaches because my pastor does not preach anything like this everyone young person attends college and marrys when they are ready and holds jobs.

Danielle Pate said...

Derrick and Jill have been on a horrible downward spiral ever since the Josh thing two years ago.

dana Alton said...

Derick is a scary man. So sorry Jill is stuck for life with him. Hope he doesn't do something really crazy to hurt his family. Jimbob should be ashamed of himself for marrying off these inexperienced and hungry for attention daughters.

Nettie said...

How convenient that through prayer, God has told the Dillards they should spread the word in NW Arkansas, exactly where their free mini mansion is located. What a coincidence.

Emma said...

Re Lisa McGingess: I agree with you that Kendra is too young and too immature to be getting married at nineteen. She was raised in a very religious way and brought up in a patriarcal household. The Caldwells hold the same beliefs as the Duggars (just have less kids), and Joe knew her from church. Pastor Caldwell holds some very strong views on certain issues one of which is denouncing gay people. He and his church were involved in a scandal when they put booklets through the doors in the community saying homosexuality was a myth (sound familiar?) along with other horrible things. Kendra is just doing what is expected of her, marry young and pop out as many kids as possible for the Lord, she will probably be pregnant and have a baby before she is twenty. Another generation lost to the Gothard cult, so sad they are all so indoctrinated they cannot see any other future for themselves.

Patti said...

I think Israel has allergies, thus the swollen eyes. The bruises he had when he was little are from them letting him explore. I doubt they watched him like a hawk(which irritates me). When you come from large families, for some reason it seems they let their youngings explore or play more without a careful eye. I sometimes travel through an Amish community on occasion and it infuriates me when I see Amish families letting their 3 or 4 year olds outside by themselves in the yard with no supervision. You honestly wouldn't believe the little kids by themselves with no adult in sight. They do as the Duggars and have the oldest kid probably 8 or so watching a group of younger siblings. It is just plain crazy!
But it does look like Israel is a sweet, happy boy now. Maybe they learned and will watch Samuel better when he becomes mobile.

Vilente said...

Regarding Jill's fantasy about birthing babies in CA......I'm sure the women in CA have handled birthing babies just fine for centuries without an incompetent girl's help. Since such a big deal was made about her graduating the midwife course, shouldn't she be taking advantage of her education and begin using her birthing babies skills in NW Arkansas? Her stupid decisions about her own labor & deliveries may have killed that dream. All this craziness with Derick seemed to begin with the botched looking jaw operation that has left his mouth looking permanently deformed and with a mouthful of huge fake teeth It must be hard for him to look in the mirror. His body also seemed to begin to waste away since the operation. Also, whatever is going on with Jill and the baby since there is no happiness shown from other members of the family about this blessing? At least Jeremy took Jinger away from this mess of a family to live a normal, young couple's life.

Aunt Bea said...

There are some great comments here speculating why Derick did a 180 about Central America. I think SOS dismissed them...plain and simple. They were independent HOSTS working ALONG SIDE (along side was Jill's term) with SOS. I think SOS told them they don't require their services, thank you....
This is why Derick is going ballistic. He doesn't like being told they don't have to go back...Jill's prayers were answered, as she hated it down there and made that plain for all to see.

asiain noodle said...

anyone remeber the girl majorie jackson who was in a courtship with Josiah duggar a few years back. she is a book writer has some books about dating on amazon?

Heart in Florida said...

God always seems to agree with what the DUGGARS want. Strange, isn't it?

Susie said...

TLC needs to pull the plug on the Duggars. Too much hate in that family.

Just Wondering said...

If the Duggars are Baptist, other than the time the Duggar went to Israel & Jim Bob Baptized cousin Amy & then was baptized again himself (he said he had already been baptized once before,) does any one know if the Duggars ever have their children baptized? Either Baptism ceremonies, Christening ceremonies, or a naming ceremony where the congregation participates, saying the church members will watch out for these children, are common. I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with any ceremonies in Orthodox Churches, or Judaism practices. My best friend when I was growing up, was Baptized when she was either 13 or 14 yrs. old. I was invited to the ceremony & remember that the others that were baptized with her were the same age. If the Duggars believe that women should suffer in childbirth due to Eve's original sin in the Garden of Eden, I would think they would also believe that children are born with "original sin." Personally I don't believe this but I know many do & want their children baptized as soon as possible. Other than the one time in Israel, I haven't ever heard the Duggars mention Baptism. I do remember how shocked Jim Bob & Amy were when they realized there were rats in the water they were being baptized in. Perhaps I'm wrong & this particular Baptist denomination, doesn't baptize their children but the fact that they refer to themselves as Baptist, makes one think that they baptize their children. Other than what was briefly shown in Israel, we have never seen the Duggar children baptized. You would think they would have a ceremony followed by a small celebration such as a luncheon or some type of celebration, as most people do.

Cat said...

Its very sad that these poor kids don't even get a real say in their own lives! Jimbob and Michelle both had schooling to help them get into jobs and supposedly have no debt. How do they really expect their children and their spouses to fully support a large family that they seem to insist on? They wont be around forever, if something happened to him or they lost everythjng, who's going to be paying for all the families since there are no real job skills? Its tragic those kids have nothing to really look forward to in life...

Too bad so sad said...

SOS fired Jill and Derick for basically being incompetent. They didn't learn Spanish they were barely there during their second year and were constantly bad-mouthing the country and making the mission center sound unsafe and thus driving off the missioncationers.

Pam said...

Baptists don't baptise infants. They will do an infant dedication, but they only baptise when one is old enough to make a profession of faith.

Andrea said...

Too bad so sad ... do you have some insider knowledge or are you speculating? I'm not saying it's not possible just wondering! Thanks

Emma said...

Aunt Bea: You are totally on the money, they were told to hit the bricks and not come back, bad for business. Derick going off on one was his reaction to having no control of the situation. I always thought JimBob had somehow organised the whole thing with SOS, I seem to remember reading somewhere that he possibly paid SOS to let them play at being missionaries, was there ever any truth to that? Jimbobs influence might not be as great as his ego!

lisa mcginess said...

anyone see that cute photo of jinger wearing pants and her first pair of jordans. being away from that family is the best thing that ever happened to her. hope she grows in her own imange. I think Jessa may even be jealous of her because she married a baby boy and now has three little boys at home? bet jim bob will try and influence her to have a kid. hope she does not. keep holding out jinger?

coleen said...

Per " lisa mcginess said...
anyone see that cute photo of jinger wearing pants and her first pair of jordans. being away from that family is the best thing that ever happened to her."

And the Nike tshirt! I wonder if that was a message to her parents.

Andrea said...

What is going on with Ginger?! It's great! Living in a city, wearing normal clothing and loving books!! I'm really pleased for her. Hoping these changes are coming from herself and not because her husband is asserting his "authority" over her. I really am so pleased for her! I love the thought that all these changes might annoy Jim Boob and Mullet.

Just Wondering said...

Re:Pam's comment. That's what I meant with my comment. I realize that Baptist infants are not baptized. As I said, my best friend was baptized at age 13 or 14, when she was considered old enough to profess her faith. Similar to Confirmation in other denominations when a young person can say they want to be a member of that church. Certainly; John & Jana, as well as Jill, Jessa, Jinger, Joy & many of those boys are old enough now to profess their faith, especially the boys who were going to be (missionaries.) Perhaps I didn't explain it correctly but I believe the "Naming Ceremony," is akin to the service, where the church family pledges to watch over the children just as their parents would if anything should happen to the parents. Sorry if I'm wrong about that.I still am surprised that no type of religious service involving the infants or young adults in the Duggar family has ever been shown, since they are such a pious & religious family. I wonder if they ever had Jubilee baptized?

Linda said...

That's an interesting question about Jubilee. Does any denomination baptize miscarriages? I can't think of one.

Willow said...

I think it was on social media that Chad and Erin Paine "dedicated" their baby (I think Carson, the older one) at church. Does anyone else remember that? I don't remember if anyone else in these families did that. I thought Catholics baptize infants and Protestants dedicate infants, as a rule. My guess would be they all do it, but it just did not get shown.

Too bad so sad said...

Not quite the way it goes. "Liturgical" protestants frequently baptize infants. Lutherans, Methodists, Episcopalians, some Presybterians, and others baptize infants. It's usually the ana-Baptists who do "believer's baptism." I put it in quotes because many of them still baptize children too young to have reached the age of discretion.

Uplifted said...

My friend who is Lutheran had her two twins who were both delivered not living baptised. Her pastor had no problem giving them the sacrament. Although I have been Lutheran all my life, I have never seen this done before, I thought it was a very uplifting service that acknowledged their beings even though they did not survive to be in this world. It added closure for the parents who were later able to adopt.

Olive said...

According to YouTube "The Fame" published today (suspect, trashy) Josiah and John David are courting, John David with a girl from Texas and Josiah reconciled with Marjorie. Soap opera material.

Linda said...

I have known of stillborn children being baptized especially those farther along, but so far no miscarriages. The Duggars don't baptize infants so I can't see them baptizing miscarriages or stillbirths.

Mickey2942 said...

Really, this whole "Duggar" train is crazy. Why is it NEWS that a 20 year old girl is wearing jeans and NIKE shoes? No one cares.

laura said...

Has jinger named any of the books she's reading?
She just said she found books.
This means absolutley nothing unless one says WHAT they read.
Its probably just the Bible.
I want to see her at the gym or after a yoga class, cooking, something normal people do. Car selfies do not count.

Jak&Jil said...

Good grief! There was a wedding last Saturday that the Duggars attended, and Jill was there in that same awful, potato sack, black and white dress that she wears in the picture on the Dillard blog. And her horrible hair was half-way down her back. Derick wasn't any better. He wore an extremely wrinkled dress shirt untucked! They both looked like they just rolled out of bed. Apparently, Jill only owns one dress, and there is no iron in the house.

sandi said...

If the Duggars are attending a baptist church,then yes,they baptize infants there.Not sure the D's would have done it done,though.
I attended a Methodist church,and we called it a baby Christening.Here in the South,I have only heard the word Baptize when it's a Baptist church.Someone correct me if I'm wrong though

Carla Jane said...

Look how adorable Jinger looks in her recent photos, dressed like a normal, pretty girl. Jill & Derick must both be suffering from depression and not caring how they look when attending a wedding. Tuck the shirt in Derick and Jill, hit up your local thrift shop for a new dress.

Just Guessing said...

Re: Olive's comments. No offence at all to you Olive but more to:
"The Fame." I don't believe for a minute that John David is courting. Also question anything about Josiah & Marjorie too. I think her parents pulled her back from courting Josiah, when they learned about Josh. Guess the Duggars need publicity.

Who Knows said...

With Jubilee Michelle would refer to her as a miscarriage at one time & then at another time she was apparently stillborn which accounted for the huge funeral service with pictures, poems 1,000 people in attendance, instead of close family & friends..

NewWoman said...

I'm loving it too! If she's discovered books that are not Christian doctrine, imagine how much her world view will change! I love her new style too! Glad she got out when she did! Watching the evolution is fun!

Christine said...

Catholics and liturgical Protestants (Lutherans, Episcopalians, etc) usually baptize infants, but they also have children go through Confirmation as teenagers (usually at thirteen). In Confirmation, the teens learn more about their specific denomination and then take confirmation vows. During baptism, the Congregation vows to guide the baptizee in the faith.

Most non-denominational churches in the US are some sort of Baptist flavor or loosely affiliated with a Baptist church network. I attended a few non-denominational churches about six years ago and my experience is that babies would be "dedicated" in the church soon after birth. During the dedication, the congregation (or at least the pastors) would promise to guide the children in the faith. This is similar to Catholic/Lutheran/Episcopalian Baptism, just minus the ceremonial shower. The non-denominational churches that I knew of would generally baptize kids only starting at the age of ten.

Mormons don't believe in original sin and have a different version of Hell, so they don't believe (like Catholics) that unbaptized babies will go to Hell, so they see no urgency to baptism. Actually, IIRC, Mormons believe that dead babies (anyone below age 8) automatically go to Heaven. Mormons baptize children at the age of 8, because that's what they see as the age of accountability.

lisa mcgingess said...

I personally do not think they attend the bapsit church i think they do house church and jim bod is the preacher? that is how is was several years ago.

Linda said...

Jubilee was a miscarriage. Michelle did try to keep lengthening the pregnancy to try to make it a more dramatic stillbirth. Foolish Duggars. It was yet another revisionist attempt by them.

Elspeth said...

The Duggars currently attend a local IFB church. Their home church failed due to the Josh scandals.

sandi said...

Thanks,I knew they didn't homechurch anymore since the Josh scandal.I'm guessing they didn't want it to appear they were keeping any more secrets there.
In legal terms,yes,Michelle had a miscarriage,since there was no death cert. required,as would have been the case with a stillbirth

Linda said...

Legal terms and medical terms, Michelle had a miscarriage. She was exaggerating (basically lying) to say she had a stillbirth. She used the term miscarriage herself originally.

betsy said...

It was a sick thing for the Duggars to capitalize on the miscarriage of the fetus named Jubilee. Of course it was a sad happening but Michelle did her best to gather as much publicity as possible with the photos and major funeral event (only to have Jimbob jack up a coffin out of a metal box he must have had in the storage shed) and make the boys did the grave.
Long gone are the days of the big happy family now replaced by a family of fame seeking grifters and unemployed husbands. Seems like the wishes to free Jinger have been successful as she has posted the prettiest recent photos wearing lovely contemporary clothing and her, little make up and her long hair pulled back. She is so pretty. Bet Jessa & Jill are jealous, maybe even getting resentful of their jobless husbands and trips to the thrift shop for dresses even my granny wouldn't wear.

dinda said...

Wondering if Anna had the baby yet. Hope she had the luxury of a hospital birth & some painkillers at least. She carries a big burden....5 kids and a jobless cheating husband. This sure isn't the life the Duggars presented her with when they were trying to get Josh married so he's satisfy himself with a wife and not bother his sisters. Lots of good that did and there is their sacrificial lamb.....Anna.

Darlene said...

In the past, I felt sympathy for Anna but she had her chance to get out of the mess when her brother offered help. She chose to stay with Josh, take some blame and have yet another baby with him. No more sympathy for Anna. She's letting her little girls live in a house with a child predator so she is too blame as well. Nothing could be as cruel and demeaning as to beg to go to a hospital during child birth, be ignored and end up pushing the baby out over a toilet bowl with a film crew in attendance. So much for modesty. She's too weak to get a life for herself so she is reaping the rewards of being a Duggar wife.

Meme said...

Loved your second paragraph, Betsy. How true! From big happy family to fame seeking grifters.

Stephanie from Virginia said...

Ok glad to see it too. I wish now she would learn to water ski (like her mother was allowed to) wear a real bathing suit, and take at least one college course but i really believe if she took a class at a community college she would realize how useless those wisdoms booklets actually were. I don't think any of the D kids could cut it in accredited classes without remedial classes. Especially Science, history geometry, algebra, literature. Well I guess that's about all the general education subjects.

Wisdom booklets covered character qualities, balancing checkbooks, bible versus, reading and writing and I guess that's about it. Oh and building your parents houses as free child labor and field trips on insulating homes. Also, how to mooch free labor from "friends" on welding, laying tile? Plumbing etc. it's a shame that they could never be kids.

Who Knows said...

My compliments to Betsy, for a great post. I thoroughly agree with everything you said. Also thanks to Linda, for remembering Michelle's explanations of whether Jubilee was a miscarriage, or a stillbirth. That's the way I remembered it too. She called it something different many times.

Melissa said...

Seeing the Duggars so desperate for publicity these days, makes me wonder if that's what all the publicity & press were about when Michelle suffered the miscarriage (Jubilee.) I'm wondering if they were feeling the need to set up a publicity machine & that was a perfect place for them to start. It was disgusting (just my opinion) with everyone of those little ones crying their eyes out, even though they didn't know what they were really crying about. Also the huge funeral & pictures all over the internet, of Jubilee's foot as well as her hand in Michelle's hand, also the poem etc. At the time they didn't even know if it was a boy or girl. It didn't take them long to figure out the next step should be marrying off the older girls, especially in light of the Josh scandal. So when it comes to publicity, I don't put anything past them. If John David & Josiah are courting, that's another disaster of Jim Bob's making. So anything goes when it comes to publicity & the Duggars.

Mickey2942 said...

dinda, I so agree with you, Anna has received the short end. An unemployable boy, who can only work for Jim Bob..nothing like relying on in-laws for every single thing.

I doubt she gets a hospital birth.

And she better be joyfully ready to make Josh a sandwich on demand.

Susie said...

With Derick now employed at Cross Church working with college youth, at least Jill will be exposed to young college women and she will have an opportunity to see these women thrive. That's the only good part of this. Hope they keep him away from the bi-gender/trans youth of the church if there are any there.

Ouizer said...

Are we sure Derick is employed by Cross Church? He could be volunteering. Either way, Jill looks better than she has since Israel was born, the scandals began, and Derick convinced her to go to Central America.

Sharla said...

Some comments were not posted this morning. Personal stories are not why the blog is here. Also completely inaccurate posts that say things like the Duggars have never attended a regular church are simply not needed.

Tori said...

In response to Susies post. Cross church would not exactly open their arms with christian love and acceptance to anyone who does not identify as hetrosexual. Their pastor is not ooen minded at all but thats no shocker. Google www.arktimes/.../.../Ronnie Floyd and the gay menace, it will tell you all you need to know.

Dusty said...

Isn't the Cross Church where Kendra's dad is a preacher? Makes sense now how Derrick got this so called job. Seems like Jimbob quickly worked with Kendra's dad to create this church position to offset Dericks twitter rage against Jazz. So now Derick gets to hang around and mingle with college kids. Jill better be worried that he's out in the world around other girls without an accountability partner. It would be difficult for her to be watching over him there all the time, like she did when he worked at Walmart, serving him lunch in the car every day, since she has 2 little kids to raise.

Elspeth said...

No, Cross Church (SBC) is where Derick has attended for years - at least one of it's branch campuses. Kendra's father is pastor of an IFB church called Lighthouse Baptist where the Duggar main family now attend.

Andrea said...

Anyone else see the cruel irony of Jill working for a college ministry? She wasn't educated, driven or privileged enough to attend college and now she has to go and work or watch her husband work at a college. I'm sorry, her life sucks. College was one of the most fun and enriching things I've done and she had that stolen from her. Dim Bulb and Mullet decided staring in a reality TV show was more important. Never mind, not adequately preparing her for college in the first place.

sandi said...

If Josh wants a sandwich,I hope Anna makes him that awful tuna with bbq sauce.After all,it was JB's star recipe.
Yuck

sandi said...

Andrea,I agree.And not just for college,but for K-12 and just having a regular,normal life in general.Even private school would have been better than the homeschooling they had.I can't imagine not having all the friends and good times,not to mention the real education I had from regular school.
And just being able to watch tv,read books and magazines and listen to the radio.Imagine all the fav shows,songs and stories they would have had.I bet JB and Michelle had a few.Not that they would admit it.But I can't imagine missing out on those.
They have really done their kids a huge disservice.
Getting up early for school,completing a project on time,being in clubs and sports...these are all things that build character.Things the D kids will never have.
Truth be told,I wonder how M feels about JB having her quit cheerleading.She seems to look back on it fondly.Jmo

lisa mcgingess said...

if kendra dad preaches at the cross church then they just ment kendra when Jill got married because the duggar do not attend that kind of church? they do some kind of home church like that lady said above and Jim bod is the preacher? do not ever see the duggars going to a large mega church like that cross church?

Elspeth said...

Kendra's father is NOT associated with Cross Church that is SBC - Southern Baptist Convention. Kendra's father pastors a small IFB - Independent Fundamentalist Baptist church. That IS where the Duggars go now. They haven't done home church in literally YEARS. They moved to a house that was solely for church, then the warehouse church, and then closed that down with the scandals. Jim Bob and his parents attended the predecessor to Cross Church when he was growing up. He and Michelle were married there. At some point they switched to an IFB congregation and that was where Josh's original scandal came out when he was teen. Then they began the home church which is no more.

Grandma Wagner said...

Did Jimbob have to pay taxes on a house that was used for church services?? This Duggar world is confusing. The kids need to take a lesson from Jinger. It is possible to thrive away from the rules & regulations of old Gothard and Jimbob and not get preggo immediately on your honeymoon. Dillards job looks like he supervises barbeques, preaches at college kids and goes on trips with them. Sweet job for sure and what does it pay? Doesn't have to be much since he lives for free in the mini mansion. They probably eat dinners at "Jana's Kitchen" or get free meals at restaurants if they post a pic on the media, advertising the restaurant.

Elspeth said...

Yes, the Duggars pay or paid taxes on all their property because they didn't file to become a non-profit or a church. Derick was the one who tried to bring grifting to a new level and beg for support while they worked for SOS and set up their non-profit "ministry."

Derick may not have a paying job with Cross Church. We'll have to wait and see. Cross Church already has a college pastor and some other college ministry related employees on their payroll. It could be Derick and Jill are just volunteering to help with some functions.

Marites H. said...

Kendra's dad looks really young. Maybe too young to have gone through the usual route -- 4 yrs in Bible college + seminary + internship under a senior pastor. Probably like Gil Bates "Great news! God called me to be a pastor. Come join us for church at the hotel conference room on Sunday at 11AM."

Joe & Kendra seem really sweet together but in no way are they anywhere near mature enough to handle marriage and a potential "honeymoon baby".

InVA said...

The rumor about Josiah courting might be true. He posted for the first time on Instagram yesterday since his failed coursthip ended (December 25, 2015) and since access to Instagram has always coincided with starting a courtship this adds up. We'll see.

https://www.instagram.com/siduggar/?hl=en

Does anyone know if John-David now has an instagram account? I ask since the rumor is out about him.

Jodie said...

Let's see, Zack Bates has a career, so does Lawson and now Nathan. Lawson and Nathan need to live away from their parents house to be considered as independent. Josh Duggar sells used cars but I suspect he is still very dependent on his parents for financial support for his large family. John David still works for his daddy and so do the rest. I have to say the Bates are slightly ahead in the get them independent phase. Alyssa works outside the home as well. Interesting to watch.

Leela said...

How wouldn't he be old enough to attend Bible college if he has a 19 year old?

Aunt Bea said...

Elspeth: Thank you for posting here. You set the Duggar record straight and tell the facts about them. That is what I want to learn about, not speculation or untruths. Thank you and please continue to post and let us know what's what about them.

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