Room With a View - New Episode

The Duggars continue to share their new bundle of joy, Jordyn-Grace. This time, Jim Bob, Michelle, Jessa, Jinger, and Jordyn head to New York City to be guests on The View.

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Maggie said...

Sorry guys, I didn't realize there was a new episode!

BoyMomInTX said...

I thought it was cute how they showed James' process of looking for his phonics book and getting distracted. Reminded me of my own little boys!
I want to reiterate that this show's charm and appeal to me is that they show everyday life. I cringe when they take all 18 kids to an amusement park or other nonsense, because that's not real life. But when they show them doing normal stuff, I love it. It might seem a little more boring than watching Mom getting her wardrobe updated or seeing the little kids have meltdowns, but it's so much more relatable.

SuzanneDeAz said...

I thought the show was adorable. The kids are so sweet and cute. I like the previous poster just enjoy watching the kids be kids at home with no trips. I really enjoyed that show.

Tetotomom said...

And it is ever so much quieter than having 8 melting down one right after the other .

Duggar Weary said...

I was bothered by the whole "defrauding" concept. So when a female approaches and they are immodestly dressed (by the Duggar standard of fashion) the girls call out "Nike, Nike" and the boys look down at their shoes until the tramp is out of eyesight? WHY is this a rule for the sisters to enforce? Does JimBob look down too? Once again this shows that the Duggars ARE judgemental and do look down on people who are different than they are. What about teaching the boys that you use self-control and God did not make females to be stared in lust since they are your sisters in Christ? And those beautiful girls can wear jeans and cute tops and more stylish dresses all they want, but seeing that Wholesomewear swimwear come out in the reunion episode made me feel so sorry for them. Granny Clampett on the Beverly Hillbillies didn't even wear something like that! I know JimBob said the "countenance" is what is important but I think you can wear a normal, modestly cut swimsuit and still be acceptable. Would the boys be allowed to watch the Summer Olympics with the girls in competition swimwear? Does the opposite also apply to the girls? I've really had it!

I did enjoy James because as the mother of boys that brought back sweet memories.

Enough with Jinger's ridiculous facial contortions. I've had my fill of her mugging for the camera.

BoyMomInTX said...

I have to agree-what is up with Jinger's facial expressions and double thumbs up? To be purely snarky, it's annoying.

As for the modesty and dress issue-I just don't get it at all. I never have understood that part of their religious beliefs, but it doesn't seem harmful to them and I just ignore it. No worse than Muslim women not being allowed out of their homes without male escorts and only their eyes showing.

momof5 said...

What about teaching the boys that you use self-control and God did not make females to be stared in lust since they are your sisters in Christ?

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I would say that looking down is using self control. If you were to do research, there are hundreds of christian books written on this subject JUST IN The LAST YEAR, because of the way society is heading and EVERY book I have ever come across ( I lead a womens group who have isues with this) tells you to "bounce" your eyes or look away, that is called setting your boundaries.

Kathleen said...

James looking for his phonics book was cracking me up! I teach 1st grade, and he reminds me SO much of a few current and former boy students. It can be maddening, but endearing, if you have enough patience :)

I don't know how I'd feel about having a disco ball in my bathroom, but the kids were sweet for fixing the bathroom up.

When do you think we'll see some more of Josh and Anna? Maybe they're staying off camera to focus on their new marriage...

Abigail2 said...

I've also noticed Jinger's frequent "mugging" for the camera. While it is annoying, I remember the episode about Jinger taking her driver's test. I'm sure Jinger keeps the family on their toes, but Michelle had the sweetest things to say about her. She said that Jinger is so expressive and dramatic. Michelle also said that she looks forward to how Jinger will react in situations...she makes things more fun.

Michelle knows (better than probably anyone) how Jinger is. I love that she thought of a way to put a positive spin on her description.

Sara Beth said...

The Duggars do such a thorough job of censoring "wordly" things (internet, tv) at home, I had wondered what they did when out in public. I don't know how I feel about calling out a code word and having the boys/men avert their eyes. I guess it does teach them self-control. What about the little girls, though? True, seeing an immodestly dressed woman wouldn't inspire lust in them. However, I wouldn't want my young girls staring at a scantily clad woman, either. Oh well, to each their own!

Not a Duggar said...

I have 2 boys- I have never had to have them avert their eyes-
where would I bring them to that
had women so scantily dressed
that it would put lust in them?!?!
The mall- a restaurant-school?
I don't mind the Duggars but sometimes they make me feel like
they think the rest of us are doing a bad job raising our kids
and that our standards are very low- my family is very mainstream
but we also have certain standards-
Although I did find my 17 yr old
kissing a girl today! We
would be banned from the Duggar
compound! Oh no!he has given
part of his heart away- how
will he survive the rest of his
life!?!?

Duggar Weary said...

Abigail2 said:

I'm sure Jinger keeps the family on their toes, but Michelle had the sweetest things to say about her. She said that Jinger is so expressive and dramatic. Michelle also said that she looks forward to how Jinger will react in situations...she makes things more fun.
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Exactly my point. Michelle always describes the kids as "he/she is our _________ one." She talked about how dramatic Jinger is and how she always has a comment on things so now that is Jinger's job...to roll her eyes or do a dorky thumbs-up or overdramatize a situation. The older kids are playing to the camera too much now and things seem staged and put on rather than sponotaneous and real when they were just an occasional TLC special.

KidsAreCute said...

This was a really cute show. I love the way they made an interesting show w/o needing an expensive vacation or special treatment (i.e., box seats, free snacks, etc.) at an expensive show. They probably spent less than $100 to redo the bathroom. Even if TLC fronted the money, big whoop. It’s a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of freebies the Gosselins received. Plus, even if TLC paid for the supplies, the Duggar children added their own elbow grease to complete the project.

I was also happy to see Jana demonstrate her leadership skills. Sometimes, it appears she hangs in the background and doesn’t say much. In the past, she has struck me as very shy. It was good to see that’s not always the case, but maybe just a product of editing.

It was also nice how John David had the quirky idea of the disco ball, stuck to his guns, Jana went along w/ it, and in the end, it kind of worked. Even if some might not like it, it was creative, and something different.

I didn’t catch how many years (was it 3 years?) that Michelle and Jim Bob had gone w/o molding on the doorframe of their bathroom w/o complaining. It was also pretty honest of them to show the world how plain and unadorned their bathroom was.

It’s also nice that they are starting to showcase different children. The scenes w/ James were adorable. I love his spirit and energy. Joy Anna is also very cute.

As for Jinger, yes, that’s getting old, But, she’s only 14 or 15. She’s young.

As for the whole "defrauding”, “nike’, etc. stuff, well it’s not my thing, but to each their own.

I hope there are more shows like this. It’s very pleasant to watch.

Also hoping that there's a pregnancy announcement from Josh and Anna soon.

SuzanneDeAz said...

I do not believe that the Duggars do things to make others feel that they are not good parents. It was not the Duggar parents who filmed the kids watching TV and talking about how they use the code word "niki". The parents were not even in the house. The filmers did the filming and the editors decided to show it thinking others would find it "interesting". They are not out there having rules for their kids to make others feel guilty. If you are not doing wrong than why should it bother you that this is how they are raising their kids?

Sarah said...

I love Michelle! She was so greatful about the bathroom! It's nice to see someine that is greatful for the small things!!

I also love Jinger! I think she gives a thumbs up because she doesn;t know what else to do. I think it's cute!

As for teaching the boys to look away... sure, it's a teensy bit "out there" but if it works for them, then ok! I wish married men would learn how to look away instead of staring down every attractive girl they see (though my husband is quite good about it). I figure their future wives will thank Jim Bob and Michelle for that little "trick"!

Willow said...

I loved how Michelle was so sweet about how the bathroom renovation turned out. She knows how to make her kids feel good. She shows love and appreciation, even if she may not actually love what they did! :) She knows what is important. There are actually people in this world who are not like that. How lucky for her kids!!!

ErinInWV said...

I would love to spend an entire day in the Duggar household. It amazes me how smoothly everything runs. I know that is a result of all the training they do. I also know some people disagree with that, but it works for them. I just enjoy so much watching them live out their Christian faith. I find them inspiring.

While I don't agree with putting your children on national television, I have no doubt that they'll pull the plug as soon as it's not right for the family. I also think it's interesting to read the comments on this blog compared to those on the GWOP blog...

JenL said...

James was so funny looking for his workbook! He forgot to lock up that room and put the key back in its hiding place. I hope he didn't get into too much trouble for that, because he's such a cutie.

John-David cracked me up, too. I wonder if he even knows what a disco ball is?

Melissa said...

As a mom of 4 boys, 2 who are in pukerty as we speak, I can completely understand the whole modesty thing. We were once at a MCDONALDS and there was a girl in front of us who was dressed in so little, if she bent over, I would have been forced to give anatomy lessons. Today, there are more and more kids whose moms let them leave the house looking like tramps.
You can't hate on the Duggars for having morals. They're to be applauded in this day and age to even want to teach their kids modesty. So many families see it as stupid.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone notice, at the very end when they were panning around the dinner table, one of the older girls (I don't know which one she is) looked like she was wearing a wedding ring!

Alli Byers said...

Anonymous said:
Did anyone notice, at the very end when they were panning around the dinner table, one of the older girls (I don't know which one she is) looked like she was wearing a wedding ring!

I'm 99% sure that those are promise rings. They talked about it when the Duggars were on The View. Jessa and Jinger both had them on and I'd guess that Jill and Jana probably also wear them. But I did notice at the end around the dinner table that there was a girl who didn't look familiar eating with them. Did anyone else notice this?

Anonymous said...

I feel bad for their kids in a way. I really don't agree with their "buddy" system. While kids need responsibility, I would not turn my daughters into surrogate parents. I won't have more than 2 kids, I want to be able to provide them both with the time and attention they need from me.

BoyMomInTX said...

When were they on The View? I saw Michelle saying they were going to tape them being on the show, but I never saw them doing it.

As for the code word and the boys looking away at risque clothing, I don't totally understand it as that's a part of life (although an uncomfortable one) but it's definitly not a bad thing.

Why? said...

While I enjoyed this episode, I have an issue with ANYONE who puts their family on a weekly (or near-weekly) television show. True, the Duggars are much more pleasant and tolerable than the Gosselins. However, when I read on here that people have written about James looking for his phonics book or Jana stepping up as a leader, it gives me the creeps. What kind of parents would put their kids out there to the point that random people around the country are talking about them? We've got folks on here analyzing Jinger and her personality...I would NEVER put my kids in that position. Even though I like the Duggar family quite a bit, I wish they would not continue exploiting their family.

Anonymous said...

I really enjoy this show! Especially compared to Jon and Kate Plus 8. These people have more than twice the amount of children Jon and Kate do and manage to teach them to be polite and pleasant to be around, and at the same time happy(for the most part).

I thought the whole "nike" thing was strange as well but, odd as it is, at least they aren't doing the opposite--staring openly or saying inappropriate things. Think how lucky the girls that end up with those Duggar boys will be!

I love how positive the Duggars are! Especially Michelle, who never seems to have a bad word to say about anyone especially her children. Compare that to Jon and Kate who are continually complaining about their kids and everything else. And it seems like people misunderstand some things about the Duggars--just because their daughters wear skirts and not pants doesn't mean they look down on others who do, it just means that in their home with their girls, skirts are more modest. Amy, their cousin, wears pants and they never have a bad word to say about her! I have a feeling that if the girls grow up and choose to wear different things (or just live their lives differently in general) that their parents will still love them unconditionally. These people just do not seem like the petty type.

Jinger's constant thumbs up thing is getting old, but I think she just doesn't know what else to do when they point the camera at her.

For the people who don't like this show--just think of the alternatives, and not just on TLC.

It's just so nice to see well behaved, happy, innocent children on TV instead of 30 minutes of the screaming, crying and complaining Gosselins.

Sara said...

I don't think I would want to raise boys to avert their eyes when anything that challenges their morals comes along. I think I would want to raise them to look people in the eyes and treat them respectfully, no matter what they are wearing. Boys and men should be able to interact with anyone without feeling ashamed or uncomfortable. The Duggars are raising their children to be unable to be a part of mainstream society.

Typestoomuch said...

I was pretty shocked/creeped out by the whole defrauding, nike thing but the more I thought about it, the more okay with it I became (I know, it sounds crazy already). I'll explain. The Duggars never have a bad word to say about anyone. And they certainly never say that people lead evil or bad lives because they live differently that the incredibly modest way. Michelle even put a nice spin on the really probing, and even kind of rude, questions she was asked on the view (the interview is on youtube by the way). In all of their extended family, which from pervious episodes it seems they love and accept very much, the Duggars are the only ones who have chosen to live this way. It seems that Michelle and Jim Bob teach their children that the modest way is the right way, but God loves everyone and He will be the one to "throw the first stone", as it were. Thus, I came to the conclusion, that just in the way I wouldn't want my sons watching pornography, or checking out a girl with a low cut top, or looking at some girl who's thong is hanging out of her pants, or using their cell phones to take pictures up a girl's skirt (yes, I know, ridiculous but I've seen it), the Duggars do not want their young boys looking at girls in mini-skirts, or tube tops, etc. I have course accepted that unless I provide a very sheltered life for my sons, which is very difficult and time consuming to do (aka home schooling), it would be almost impossible for me to keep them from discovering and exploring these sorts of things. Obviously the Duggars do not have a problem with girls in pants or polos or regular fitting shirts, because Amy wears those things. I do not think asking their sons to avert their eyes when an woman wearing revealing clothing walks by, will make them unable to exist in modern society. I am aboslutely sure if a woman in a mini skirt and and a tank top walked into Josh's used car dealership he would treat her just as politely as anyone else and he certainly wouldn't all of a sudden be overcome with lust. If John-David was there, with Josh or alone, I am sure he would be able to handle it as well because he has been taught to keep his mind pure no matter what his eyes are showing him (example: when they went to NYC and they were in times square Michelle was asked if they were worried about their kids seeing the racy billboards and she replied that they had prepared their children to have pure hearts and minds and so they trusted them to think good thoughts and ignore the billboards). Anyway, I don't usually stick up for people like this, and I'm not sure I even am defending them as much as I am just expressing my thought process on the sucject. But I just think that even when something creeps you out or seems really odd, you shouldn't dismiss it as such until comparing it delicately with your own life.

Duggar Weary said...

Sara said: Boys and men should be able to interact with anyone without feeling ashamed or uncomfortable. The Duggars are raising their children to be unable to be a part of mainstream society.
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I agree, Sara. But I have never really figured out if the Duggars plan for their kids to be a part of mainstream society anyway. I read the kids' hopes for their future occupations, such as midwife, a wonderful career that necessitates intense study and training, and it's not something that you can learn online or at a Gothard-approved "college". Just like Josh wanting to be an attorney---my kid is busting his hump in a top university in hopes of getting in law school. It's very competitive and I don't think a kid with a GED from the School of the Dining Room Table is going to beat my kid who is making the Dean's List every sememster carrying a heavy load.

Anonymous said...

One thing I love about Jim Bob and Michelle is how affectionate they are towards each other. I think they're setting a great example for their kids to show that you treat your spouse with respect, kindness, and love. Jon and Kate on the other hand...

KATEinPA said...

Did anyone else notice that this was not the episode that was advertised by TLC?? They were supposed to show "room with a view," which was about Josh and Anna's new house and Anna making a dinner for the WHOLE Duggar family! Then at the end of the info section for the show it said "are Josh and Anna preparing for a Duggar sized family?" I was expecting this show to be all about Josh and Anna and maybe even include a pregnancy announcement!! It looks like they decided not to air that show and I want to know why!

Anonymous said...

KATEinPA said...Did anyone else notice that this was not the episode that was advertised by TLC??They were supposed to show "room with a view," which was about Josh and Anna's new house and Anna making a dinner for the WHOLE Duggar family! Then at the end of the info section for the show it said "are Josh and Anna preparing for a Duggar sized family?"

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I also wondered why the change. I thought that maybe Josh and Anna had a "stork" announcement to issue at the end of the show. If that is true and the show was pulled more or less at the last minute, I really hope it is not because Anna miscarried. How sad that would be. I hope it was just a mistake on the part of TLC schedulers.

Get a clue said...

Just like public and private schools homeschooling varies in quality. Since the Duggars stop it appears at around age 16 with each of their children and talk about the kids getting a GED and not about a diploma from the home school program, I'm siding with they aren't really preparing the kids for a competitive university curriculum. They seem to favor programs like real estate that don't require a college education and the work can be done out of the house.

MomOfThree said...

I had to chuckle when I saw the tiny TV the kids were watching "The View" on. When Joy was covering up the "immodest" people, her hand nearly covered the whole screen.

Despite the small set, somewhere in the house they must have a larger model that several of them can watch comfortably at once. From references made in past shows and this one, they at least watched, at some point, some Disney and old '50's and '60's videos.

For instance, they all knew the characters at Disney World when they visited there and in the "Role Changing" episode, both Jana and Michelle separately said how much Jackson was into the "Lone Ranger" (cap guns, holster and all) and how Johannah was his "Tonto". I suppose they could learn about those characters through books, but on this episode, when the kids were greeting JB and Michelle upon their return, one of the little boys asked Michelle if she got to meet "Opie". The only "Opie" I ever knew of was Ron Howard on the "Andy Griffith Show", so I am guessing that is who it was. I did not see "The View" episode but I heard Michelle tell her son that "Opie" was on air just before they were. Grown-up Ron Howard still looks alot like young "Opie", so I guess this is how the Duggar boy linked the two together, unless one of "The View" ladies said it. In any case, it is interesting that they know the "old-fashioned" characters. I doubt that they have been introduced to "Superman", "Batman" or "Spidey", though, due to their "form-fitting" costumes. LOL.

Willow said...

Ladies - Where did you see the promo about Josh and Anna being on the Duggar show? I watch TLC enough that I am sure I have seen most all of the previews as they run them so often. I did not see any previews about Josh and Anna. Now that I know about it -- I am disappointed to!!!! It would be interesting to see J&A's house and see how they are doing. I hope they decide to run it at a later time.

Mariel66 said...

I also noticed that this week's episode was not the one my TV listing described. I was so disappointed...I've been looking forward to seeing Josh and Anna settling in and establishing themselves as a married couple. I wonder why they switched the episodes? I hope it's not bad news like Anonymous 12:48 mentioned :(

I also went to the Duggars' TLC website, and there isn't a new episode at all next week. I think there may be a new one the week after that (in 2 weeks). Anybody have any info?

KK said...

Michelle seems to be using a bit of the old self-tanner! She appears a bit darker (actually, a bit orange) in her interviews on the show. I've also noticed that the older girls seem to be more made-up than before. They've always worn make-up, but they seem to be doing it up a bit more. Has anyone else noticed this?

I don't blame them...if I was on TV every week, I'd definitely gussy myself up! I just hope they don't start selling out/changing like J&K have...

Enough with the Multiples said...

I too wondered what happened to the Josh and Anna episode...makes me wonder if they had an annoucement and something happened. I don't see it rescheduled for next week. Anyone know?

JennaPL said...

Now you guys have gotten me worried! I didn't know about the episode switch-up. I hope everything is okay!

I liked bathroom-makeover episode. I'm still not sure how I feel about cameras being invited into the home, but the family seems to be well-adjusted. Michelle is so calm, kind, and cheerful. I would NOT be thrilled if that was my bathroom, and it may not have been her style either (uh, disco ball???). She was just so incredibly gracious...I bet that made the kids feel so great.

Please post if you find out anything about the episode change!

VA Mom said...

MomOfThree said...In any case, it is interesting that they know the "old-fashioned" characters.

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I'm so glad you posted this. I just watched the "Lights, Camera, Duggars" episode on TLC's website (missed it the first time). One of the kids (maybe Jana, I don't remember) was saying that she wished there were more family movies out there. She said the family watches "Andy Griffith" DVDs, but there isn't much else out there wholesome enough to watch.

"Andy Griffith" is pretty harmless, as are some Disney movies. I'm guessing that Michelle and Jim Bob watch the show/movie first before showing it to the kids.

Kels said...

Mods, do you have any idea when the episode with Josh and Anna setting up their new home will air? I've been looking online but can't find anything about it. Thanks for all you do...you're wonderful!

Ancient of Days said...

The Duggars have a disco ball in the bathroom? What's next? Dancing?

Well, I never . . . :)

Ancient of Days said...

Did the Duggars themselves coin the term "defrauding" for their lust-avoidance technique? That word, at least to me, seems to deny some humanity to persons who dress less modestly than the family does. I wear shorts (of a length appropriate to my age) in summer: Am I a fraud? Am I worthy of suspicion? And . . . omigosh, am I inciting lust? (At 60+, I doubt it, though the gams are still mighty fine!)

All joking aside: what really concerns me about the defrauding is that the girls are charged with helping the boys to curb any possible lust, as though the boys were just primitive creatures guided only by their basest desires.

Still, the Duggar family is a group unto itself, and their limits are their limits. I respect many of the other things they do; I guess I'll give 'em a pass on this practice.

JenL said...

Wouldn't it be OK for Jim Bob and Michelle to dance with each other in the privacy of their own bathroom? After all, they ARE married.

Andi said...

I love this show. I honestly didn't think I would - I'd seen bits and pieces of their specials and they just didn't seem "real" to me - although now that they are on regularly, they seem to me to be a very normal (albiet modest) family. It's nice to see a family that genuinely loves each other and is so positive. It's very difficult to find wholesome shows such as this on any channel anymore.

I don't agree with everything they do, but I do find them very inspiring rolemodels in living a pure life and putting God first in their lives.

Nadine8743 said...

I also love this show and this family. To address those who think they are exploiting their kids, I disagree. I think Jim Bob and Michelle view the show as a way of ministering. They're happy with the way they live, and they just want to share that with people. I don't think they're judgmental at all...they're just doing what's right for them. The kids seem happy, healthy, and well-adjusted. It hurts my hear to hear people judge them or make fun of them. Can't we all just get along??

I enjoyed this episode. I love that the kids are up and doing things (yes, even chores) as opposed to laying around watching TV or playing video games. The kids have an incredible work ethic and a true heart for others. It was sweet of them to surprise Michelle. Her reaction was also sweet.

I'm interested to see an update on Josh and Anna. I hope their marriage is off to a beautiful start.

Now, if the show starts to affect this family like it has the Gosselins (and I doubt it will), I'll bet Jim Bob and Michelle pull the plug.

KATEinPA said...

I really want to know what happened to the real episode "room with a view"!!!!

To answer a previous question, I never saw an ad for the show that was supposed to show Josh and Anna, I only read about the show on TLC's website and on my TV guide "info" button. But your right, they never did advertise for it : /

I hope everything is ok!! And I just checked and there is no new episode this week or next, hopefully there will be one in April!

Shawna said...

It's almost as if they are making the woman's body a shameful and dirty thing. Of course it's a good idea to shield your family from things, but I feel that this emphasis on extreme modesty is sending a message that the female body is nothing but an object of lust. (and you can't have it 'till you're married, so don't even think about looking) I feel bad for all those kids because sexuality CAN be taught in a Christian, wholesome, honest way without making it seem shameful, dirty, and degrading.

And what about the girls? Do they not struggle with lust? If they were to see the statue of David, would the girls have to avert their eyes? If a young man has his shirt off, is there a word for the girls to look away? My guess is no. Women have desires too. Come ON, Duggars!

Duggar Weary said...

Outstanding post, Shawna! I agree with everything you said!

Leigha said...

Shawna, I had wondered the exact same thing! I also understand the desire to protect your children from "unwholesome" images. The boys seem well-covered (with the "nike" code word). What about the girls? What if the girls see a man with his pants sagging down to his knees? What about a man with his shirt off? A guy in shorts and a sleeveless shirt?

Maybe they do have a code word to use for the girls, but I doubt it. If they did, they should have mentioned it. I think it's bad to send the message that women can control these "lustful" feelings, but men are incapable of it and thus need to be helped in turning away from lust.

Well said, Shawna!

Duggar Weary said...

Ancient of Days said: All joking aside: what really concerns me about the defrauding is that the girls are charged with helping the boys to curb any possible lust, as though the boys were just primitive creatures guided only by their basest desires.
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This is what bothered me too. Why is it the job of the sisters to police their brothers? Wonder what age they allow the boys to monitor themselves?

Enough with the Multiples said...

Maybe the brothers should yell "Adidas" for the girls when they are out in public and see a hunky guy with no shirt or a man in a speedo at the pool! Really, while I like watching the Duggars and think they are genuinely good people, the whole "Nike" thing was ridiculous. It's just like the chaperone thing--if they are really that strong in their faith, then they shouldn't need a third wheel tagging along on a date or whatever they call going out while you are courting.

MomOfThree said...

Duggar Weary said...

Ancient of Days said: All joking aside: what really concerns me about the defrauding is that the girls are charged with helping the boys to curb any possible lust, as though the boys were just primitive creatures guided only by their basest desires.

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I think that probably it falls to all/any of the Duggars who happen to be with the little boys when they feel that they are in the presence of someone they consider inappropriately dressed, to "warn" them to "divert" their eyes.

Most likely when the little guys are out in public, they are with their parents and their older sisters (not Josh or John-David), so it makes sense, then, that it would be the older girls who would most often call out "Nike".

It would be my guess that when Johannah, Jennifer and Jordyn reach an age when they become "aware" of "modesty", they will also be using a code word.

An interesting note: I think it was Jana (I only saw the episode once) who said that sometimes Joy takes this "duty" to the extreme; covering those with sleeveless tops, etc. I really doubt that anyone in the "View" audience would be scantily clad. Now had they appeared on "Jerry Springer"....

MomOfThree said...

Willow said...

I loved how Michelle was so sweet about how the bathroom renovation turned out. She knows how to make her kids feel good. She shows love and appreciation, even if she may not actually love what they did! :) She knows what is important. There are actually people in this world who are not like that. How lucky for her kids!!!

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Can anyone just imagine Kate G's "horrendously-horrendous" reaction to walking into her bathroom only to find a disco ball hanging overhead? A disco ball hung there by one of her SONS, no less! Not even "Hannie" could get away with that one, I don't think.

On another note, the non-dancing Duggars: a) actually know what a disco ball is and b) neither JB nor Michelle seemed to be horrified that their son bought such a thing associated with the "wicked ways" of dancing. I think everybody knew it was all in fun and they are not as stuffy as they sometime may appear.

In all actuality, I believe the "disco" ball is really a "gazing" ball, meant to be placed in a garden to reflect sunlight. I can't imagine that you could find a store that sells framed mirrors, scented candles AND disco balls. In Arkansas. Maybe in NYC....

HoustonHere said...

For one wholesome thing a Duggar says/does/believes there are 1000+ people who says/does/believes mean and bad things. Kudos to the Duggars for their moral standards and attitudes and expectations in life, no matter how self-righteous people think they are. The way I see it is that there are at least 18 kids in this world being raised to be good and kind people. My kid is in a class of 8 and all those kids are selfish brats.

the duggars ain't all that said...

At least your kid is out interacting with the rest of the world and not holed up in the family compound.

Anonymous said...

The Duggars are pretty nice people. Their story inspires me.

BoyMomInTX said...

I don't see how they're "holed up in the famiy compound." They have been filmed going to different places, they attend a church (not sure which), they've shown friends coming over (something the G's never have!), and they've shown them on mission trips interacting with others. The only thing that's different is that they don't go to school or do organized sports. And although that would be fun, I can see how it'd be impossible with that many kids. There are many kids who are now healthy adults that were never on a soccer team or in a dance class.
I think one poster even mentioned that the family does volunteer work once a week that they don't want filmed.

Coastiewife said...

Maybe they're saving the Josh and Anna show for May sweeps or season finale!

jonandkatewho? said...

I'm sorry and lots of you will disagree with me, but I find this show too boring to watch.

I do think they are a nice family, even though their beliefs are a bit extreme for me.

Every time I try to watch the show, I just can't stay focused on it. It bores me.

Maybe I'm just sick of the whole exploitation of kids thing, and shows about huge families. It gets old, it really does.

We can compare these people favorably to the Gosselins, who have gone to the opposite extreme. But can we really say that the Duggars aren't exploiting their huge family in some way? I don't think so.

I have a problem with these kids not being able to go to college unless they can pay cash for it. It seems I read that somewhere. Well, I have news for you. When those kids reach the ripe old age of 18, those parents can't tell them what to do anymore. If they want to take out a loan for school, they can try to do it. I for one really hope that some of them do this. Maybe the show money is geared towards providing the money for schooling? I would like to think so.

I didn't see the show, but I think the whole "defrauding" thing sounds ridiculous. Those boys are probably too afraid of HELL to look at a girl and let lust enter their minds. However, I also have to say that at a certain age, lust is a normal thing. You don't have to act on it. That's the difference.

Yes this family are raising some nice kids, apparently. Does this make for fascinating tv? Not in my book. If I ever watch an episode that really entertains me, I will be sure to come back and say I was wrong.

Oh, and just to make something clear, no I don't want to see drama and screaming and meltdowns. I don't find them boring because of the stark contrasts with the Gosselins, it just is what it is.

Old North State said...

Good post, jonandkatewho?. I agree with you.

BoyMomInTX said...

I agree with you too, but I guess I'd much rather see them doing "normal things" that a large family would actually do than extravagant things and acting like they have no help and do it all in the name of being a good mother.

Yes, I do think they are exploiting the kids. Any child forced to grow up on camera is being unfairly treated, IMO. The Duggars may do it in a nicer, more respectful way than other shows and I'll continue to watch. The hook for these shows is watching how they make everyday life work with such a large family-for example, the huge grocery bills and 10 carts or driving the family BUS! When the show strays from that, it's not what it was originally intended for and it's anyone's guess how it'll work out for everyone involved. And to *me* that's when it becomes boring. I will not tune in to see a litter of kids dragged screaming to an amusement park and hear them and their parents whine and complain. Who would watch that?!

But, I do agree with many of your points. I much prefer the Duggars over the Gosselins, but I don't agree with either family trying to play to the religious groups for support and I can see that same "money-maker" look in JimBob's eyes that I do in Kate's. Their poor families are just along for the ride.

NM in Arvada said...

While I think the Duggars seem like very nice people (with very sweet children) I don't view their decision to video their lives any differently than I do the Gosselins. Michele D does seem to be sweet as candy but I honestly know more people who are like Kate G (minus the nastiness to her husband and the free trips - but none of them are on TV).

I have no issues with the outings that they (Gosselins) take anymore than I take issue with the extreme behavior of the Duggars. Everyone has the right to raise their own kids their own way unless they are abusing them and neither family is doing that.(there are subjective and objective views of abuse - I am not talking about physically harming, neglecting, abandoning them - I don't know whether I agree with many of you on the exploitation thing but if I did - it should apply to both families - not just the one you like)

That being said - I was not crazy about the whole Nike thing. We went with our family and two other families to Mexico a couple of years ago. We had 6 17-19 year old boys with us. Many women were dressed in very sexy attire and I thought they looked pretty (for the most part) and although the boys certainly looked - they were not staring, they were not suddenly overcome with some insane behavior, and I had no issue with them appreciating the female form in an appropriate way. I just can't imagine making them feel like they were unable to control themselves because they glanced, or that there was something awful about a woman in a bikini.

On a separate note - I found the Table for 12 family to be completely dull and the mother, while nice, not someone I would hang out with. I don't see why so many women thought it was so great that she didn't like the spa - why is that a positive quality? I have many friends who LOVE the spa and they are very nice people.

JenL said...

Just wondering... Do the Duggar and Gosselin children get paid to be on TV, the same as kids who are on a TV sitcom? If so, what happens to the $$$? Is it put away in a trust fund or do the parents control it? And what about the Duggars' adult children? And Anna?

Clambake said...

I find it sad that there is such a wide gap in the children's ages. There are 20 years between Josh and baby Jordyn. That's sad. How do you build a brother/sister relationship with such a span? I'm one of four kids and we were all very close in age and extremely good friends. The Duggar kids' age gap sets up more of a parent/child relationship rather than brother/sister, brother/brother, etc.

AndiGinIL said...

Clambake, I agree with you on the relationships being different, but I don't think age necessarily determines friendship - one of my best friends is technically old enough to be my mom - she's in her 40's, I'm in my 20's. While the parent/child relationship may be more apparent when one is very young, it doesn't mean that relationship won't change. Second, it's likely that the younger Duggers will get to grow up with Josh and Anna's kids - again I don't see that as a bad thing. I have a distant cousin who became an uncle at less than a year old (now in their 20's, he and his niece are close friends). My mom's youngest sister is 20 years behind her - actually my aunts daughter is younger than my son! They are both toddlers and will grow up together.

Melissa said...

Clambake, I've wondered too about the age gap. In the episode where the Duggars go to Michelle's family reunion, we realize Michelle's family is the same way. One of her sisters (much older than Michelle) jokes that it feels like her parents wanted 2 different families. I believe several of her sisters were grown and married with kids when Michelle was born.

This is what they're used to, and if they're happy with it, good for them. I personally agree that it's a little sad. I have a brother a year younger than me and a sister 3 years younger. We are very close today. I loved growing up that way. I have no doubt that the Duggars will always be close, but you're right. The youngest kids will probably always see the oldest kids as more of an authority figure than a sibling. Interesting dynamic.

mamawama said...

I agree that it would be a sad relationship if Josh and Jordyn were the only two children. That is a huge age gap. The Duggar children get both however. They get the fun older brother who can take them places, swing them around, and give great piggy back rides. They also get the closeness of having 4 siblings close in age to them, like Clambakes family. How can having MORE relationships within your family be a bad thing? Isn't life made more meaningful by having those relationships?

Three Amazing Kids said...

don't they worry about getting the baby sick?

Old North State said...

Three Amazing Kids said... don't they worry about getting the baby sick?
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I guess they do, but when they went on The View, it was very cold outside and Michelle was standing in Time's Square nursing the baby. She wasn't very old; I had a December baby and my pediatrician advised me to be very careful where I went because of the flu and colds. A warm limo was probably waiting at the curb for the them.

oowowaee said...

I just don't get the constant comparisons to the Gosselin family. I'm sorry-I don't.

They're two completely different families-&yet in some ways they're the same. &yet, every negative comparison is to the Gosselins. Every "positive" one is in its own right.

I personally believe it's not responsible to have this many pregnancies; nor do I believe it's responsible to bring your children up in this environment.

I really want to ask; how many people admiring the Duggars would be viewed as immoral in their eyes? Did you kiss someone else before you were married?

I'm an atheist, but if that's your belief, I believe there is room for God...but at this level, it just seems asinine.

Jim S said...

I have no doubt I'd be going to hell in a handbasket in the Duggars' eyes, but I find them more tolerable than J & K simply because they're easier to stomach these days.

J & K has evolved from a pleasant travelogue of life with eight kids to an exercise in mass consumption and world class entitlement....with the kids taking an increasingly back seat. Kinda K Minus 9.

I still can't stand Jim Bob and their sanctimoniousness (word??) can get tedious, but some of their shows are actually enjoyable. These days, that's saying a lot.

Krystal said...

The next new episode isn't till april 7th according to the TLC website
Apr 07, 9:00 pm
(30 minutes)

Duggars On Ice
TV-G

The Duggars are on ice! Watch as Michelle, Jim Bob, and the kids experience the worst ice storm Arkansas has ever seen.

The one the next week involves the Bates again maybe leading up to something else...

jonandkatewho? said...

Is there going to be an area for free discussion on this blog? I just wondered as I was just lying down because I have the flu and what should appear on my television screen but the Duggar episode where the 15th child is welcomed!

And of course I have to comment. I don't know if I am just grouchy because I'm sick, but this ticks me off.

The only reason this woman is not dead from overwork or overbirthing is because she hands off one kid to another kid to take care of it and because of their crazy ass "jurisdictions". They called the multitudinous laundry baskets "buckets" too. Why not use normal language and call them CHORES AND BUCKETS? What's with the invention of new words for old things? Okay, maybe families need to pitch in and help with chores, but it just seems to me that all these kids lives are just filled to the brim with hard work, and plenty of it. And what's with Jim Bob even wanting to impregnate Michelle this many times? Doesn't he worry he could kill her?

Yes, they are nice people raising good kids. And many of you like them, I know that. But aren't these people a little bit TOO nice to believe? It just seems strange to me. I dunno....as I said maybe I'm just grumpy.

While I appluad them for having no debt, I still think they need to think about these kids' lives being enriched by college if they want it. Not everybody chooses to go, but the ones who want to should be able to, and that should be an option and the parents need to think about that. I just think it's grossly unfair to raise children teaching them that unless they have the money upfront there will be no college for them.

I secretly hope at least one of these kids rebels, and I secretly hope in my evil little heart that it's one of the girls! Yes, I said that. I don't mean any harm here though. I don't mean a huge rebellion of drugs or babies before marriage, but maybe one of them could discover a secret love of say, English rock and roll and start listening to Floyd or Zepellin or the Verve on the sly!

I can dream.

Oh, and they are still exploiting the kids, although perhaps to a lesser degree than the Gosselins. I don't see a huge number of episodes being filmed so maybe they have more of a break from it, but some of that money should be put away for those kids.
Maybe it is. I hope so.

Mommy in PA said...

jonandkatewho? said...

I secretly hope at least one of these kids rebels, and I secretly hope in my evil little heart that it's one of the girls! Yes, I said that. I don't mean any harm here though. I don't mean a huge rebellion of drugs or babies before marriage, but maybe one of them could discover a secret love of say, English rock and roll and start listening to Floyd or Zepellin or the Verve on the sly!



..............

Jinger will be the rebel. You can see it in the sarcastic eye rolling already. And Amy will be right there to lead her on the "path to evil"....

criticalthinker said...

I actually like the Duggars for the most part. I feel like some of their beliefs are a tad misguided and rather misogynistic, but they do not make me angry like the Gosselins do. That being said, the thing about this family that bothers me a lot is Jana. She is 19 years old, and has nothing to show for her existence on this earth other than a meager education resulting in a GED. Further, she still shares a childhood bedroom with her sisters and has known nothing more than a lifetime of domestic drudgery. Josh and John David have been allowed to leave the nest and pursue a career, but Jana is no further along in her life than her 10 year-old siblings. She doesn't get to leave the house often enough to develop any sort of meaningful social relationships, so I simply cannot fathom the idea of her ever getting married. The idea of her becoming a midwife (as she once professed wanting to pursue) or any other sort of career requiring higher education is laughable. Oh, and did anyone else notice how on the chore-swap day, Josh and John David did not participate (presumably because they are no longer living in the house and have other prioroties), but Jana did? That spoke volumes to me about Jana and the other girls' chances of ever being independent. Kinda sad.

Maggie said...

criticalthinker, ITA with you. If Jana is 19 and they end their schooling at 16 or so, what are they waiting for? When is she getting this education in whatever?

I actually think it is great and fine to wish to be a wife and a mother, but life can change it's ugly course. There are a few things called death and divorce that can totally rock anyone's world.

If your schooling is finished at a young age, then train to be a hairdresser, nurse, midwife, chef, etc. and have something to sustain you in case of, well, life.

Anonymous said...

Maggie said... criticalthinker, ITA with you. If Jana is 19 and they end their schooling at 16 or so, what are they waiting for? When is she getting this education in whatever?
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I think we can look to Josh for the answer to that question. The answer is "there is no more education". Josh has said multiple times that he would like to be an attorney yet his education also ended with the GED at age 16. To use criticalthinker's excellent words, it is indeed a "meager education". Josh is now 20 and by now he could have put a sizeable dent in his undergraduate requirements. Law school is unbelievably competitve and you have to be superior in everyway to gain admittance....no free passes because you're on TV or you're part of a very large family. Sadly, in lieu of his dream, Josh will have to rely on the family-approved jobs of unproductive used car lot, real estate, or cranking out some babies in order to get some TV time. I look at the cycle that JimBob and Michelle have started: high school/GED education, large families, unwavering adherence to strict, fundamentalist dogma...and Josh and Anna will be the first ones to continue the tradition.

Cheerio said...

That was a great post, criticalthinker! Very well-put.

criticalthinker said...

Another thing regarding the Duggar children's "education" (and I do use that term loosely) is the curriculum. It has been established that they follow Bill Gothard's ATI homeschooling program. Well, out of curiosity I googled Bill Gothard (can you say SCANDAL) and took a look at a sample of the actual ATI curriculum. Honestly, it looked like a curriculum for Sunday school and trying to pass it off as any sort of formal primary education should be illegal. It read something like "God made our bodies out of cells. Cells do this and that. God blah blah blah, Jesus blah blah blah, God, God, Jesus, Jesus, cells are great. Hooray God!"
Now, I was not homeschooled. I attended public and magnet schools from kindergarten through grade 12 and graduated with honors from a performing arts high school (dance). I was however subjected to church 3 times a week (birth to age 18) at a horrible fundamentalist church where I too had the misfortune of wearing ankle-length dresses at all church functions. My parents at least would let me wear pants to school and cut my hair, so for small things I am grateful. I only got away with dance because I was a classically trained ballerina...not very lusty at all. My ballet teacher taught a hip-hop dance routine to us one day and my dad went postal when he found out. I guess my point in all of this is that I am no stranger to Sunday school curriculums and I am also familiar with what a formal education should somewhat resemble. The Duggars are not even close. I would be very cautious about hiring Josh as my attorney or having Jana anywhere close to in between my legs to deliver my baby knowing the extent of their so-called "education".
Now, I am sure there are some very bright, well-adjusted, successful homeschooled students out there. I for one have yet to meet one that isn't completely socially inept with some sort of behavioral problem and somewhat stunted academically. I would not choose to homeschool my kids, nor would I ever subject them to the total mindf*** I endured growing up in a conservative, fundamentalist church. I just hope that at least one of the Duggar kids has the same conversation at age 18 that I did with my parents where I said "Thanks, but no thanks".

Clambake said...

I hope you didn't have to wear that Wholesomewear swimwear, criticalthinker! =-)

criticalthinker said...

Clambake-

Thankfully no, that Halloween costume-esque wholesomewear thing was not required. However, I was not permitted to wear two-piece swimsuits at all. Even worse, if we were at a pool party or somewhere that boys and girls were swimming together ("mixed bathing", lol) I had to wear a T-shirt and these awful, baggy knee-length shorts over my already modest one-piece swimsuit. Situations like the one I just described made me realize at the tender age of about 12 that my church was so wrapped up in the political dogma that they lost focus on the only truly important thing: Jesus.

JenL said...

I went to a university with numerous graduates of the Detroit public school system. The ones who had attended selective high schools such as Cass Tech received an education comparable to that of their suburban counterparts, but in most other cases the Detroit public school students took the same courses in 12th grade that the suburban kids had taken way back in 9th grade. (Or 8th grade if the suburban student came from a wealthy district, but almost nobody from Birmingham, Bloomfield Hills, or Grosse Pointe went to my university unless they were 35-year-olds going back to school to get a second degree or something like that.) The Detroit students weren't dumb, but nobody had taught them how to do research or write essays. Their schools didn't offer higher-level math classes or foreign languages beyond first-year Spanish.

Despite their educational disadvantages, a lot of the Detroit public school students did very well in college. Others struggled, but they took remedial courses or got someone to tutor them. There's no reason why the Duggar kids couldn't do likewise. They all seem pretty bright. Their education may be lacking, but they do have job skills that would enable them to work their way through college if they so desired. Given the size of their family, they should be eligible for financial aid. If the Duggar kids truly wanted to go to college, they could find a way.

I read that Jana volunteers at a women's shelter, which would give her a crash course in what life's like in the real world. Perhaps her work at the shelter will lead to a paying job? Maybe she already has one, but this is something we don't see on TV? Or maybe she really does want to be a housewife and have umpteen kids of her own?

mamawama said...

From their book and from the links on their website, I believe they do not use ATI curriculum exclusively. It is a supplement. I see they use Switched on Schoolhouse which is a computer based program. Also, James was looking for his phonics book, which was probably Explode the Code.

Anonymous said...

I don't know, mamawama, this comes from Josh and Anna's website. There is a large ad for the 2009 ATI Conference on the right side of the homepage. Sounds to me like they are BIG proponents of this program:

Growing up Anna & I were both homeschooled through the Advanced Training Institute (ATI) and our families attended the annual ATI Training Conference.

The 2009 conference schedule is packed full of wonderful teaching on building Godly homes, strengthening marital relationships and using God's power in our lives to win the race that is set before us. This year you will hear from Dr. Joel Robbins, Hobby Lobby CEO Steve Green, Otto Koning, Paul & Jenny Speed, Chris & Anne Hogan, Dr. Karl Coke, Tom Harmon, Roger Magnuson, IBLP & ATI Founder Dr. Bill Gothard, Bill Federer, Dr. Larry Guthrie, Mr. Jim Sammons and many others. My parents will also share how they are learning principles of hospitality through hosting numerous guests.


JimBob and Michelle are some of the advertised, keynote speakers so I imagine ATI is pretty important in their home.

Oh, and don't forget, everyone, ATI Conferences are GREAT places to meet your future spouse when you aren't allowed into the rest of the world to minge with the unwashed heathens. That's where Josh and Anna met! Let the courtships begin!

KATEinPA said...

The Duggars support the ATI curriculum, but not exclusively. In their book they say that they use Switched on School House, just like Mamawama said.

They talk a lot about homeschooling in their book. I know it's easy to hear that they use ATI and then just make assumptions about the family, but unles you have personally interacted with the family, who are we to judge how smart they are???

The Duggars use a variety of homeschool curriculums and they go on a ton of field trips. Sure, if I homeschooled my kids I would teach them more advanced courses before they "graduated" but to each their own.

I think we need to stop making rash assumptions about the Duggars without the facts to back it up. I hate reading when people talk about how Jana must feel, or how Josh and Anna didn't know eachother before marriage. Unles you know them personally, you really don't know!

Jacelynn said...

I like the Duggars, I think they are very kind to each other and are genuinely nice people. Im looking forward to tonight's episode.

JanNky said...

After watching tonight's episode about the ice storm I am beginning to wonder if Anna is not already pregnant they didn't even show her tonight. I am thinking if she is pregnant maybe they want to wait until she is further along to announce it.

One night I was checking out the program guide for their show and the narrative said Anna was cooking her first meal for the family but that show has not aired yet.

I am just wondering if anyone else thinks Anna maybe pregnant.

Jacelynn said...

JanNky: She may be, if she is CONGRATULATIONS!

Anonymous said...

Anna is due in October.

Anonymous said...

Hi guys! Regarding the "defrauding" issue:
I promise, I am a totally normal, tank-top and jeans wearing, real-school-going, average young woman. However, in my circle of christian friends we have had some conversations about how women dress and how it affects the men around them. One thing that I have learned is that many godly young men try to "bounce their eyes" away when they see a woman who is immodestly dressed. The point is not that those women don't deserve to be looked at or that they are looking away because they have no self control, they do it because they DO have enough self control to not oogle her goodies and respect her enough to not want to objectify her. I think that by teaching the boys to look down when someone might be dressed provocatively is just teaching them this skill. I think that the sisters are the ones responsible for calling out "Nike" because some of the younger boys might not understand what is provocative yet, and the older ones might not want to look long enough to decide if a woman might be inciting lust. Also, if say a boy in the Duggar house did want to look at a woman lustfully then he wouldn't call out "Nike" so that he could have the chance to. The girls are probably better to give the heads up on it because they aren't tempted by other women.
I also think they only use this term when someone is dressed pretty provocatively. I have seen them talking to people in jeans and t-shirts or longer shorts, and no one seems to care all that much in the family.
The "Nike" code word isn't for judging people, it is for teaching the men self control and to protect their hearts. Sexual sin always starts as a look or a thought and it grows from there. I think the Duggars are trying to keep the boys (and girls, I am sure) from letting those impure thoughts take root and grow.
That's my 2 cents. :-) Some of the things the Duggars do I disagree with, but this is one that I think they are doing well with. So many kids are left to figure stuff like this out on their own because their parents are too embarrassed to talk about it!