Ice Storm 4/7/09

The Duggars lose power in one of the worst Arkansas ice storms.

51 comments:

Tammy C said...

Pretty funny when the TLC crew guy bought diapers for Jordyn.Too bad she got sick and ended up in the hospital.

Next week should be an interesting show.It does look like they will announce about Anna expecting.I am curious as to when she will have the baby.I have a friend who was married September 22,2007 and her baby was born Jun8,2008-will Anna be that way having a baby this June.

Jacelynn said...

I liked this episode, I love that they are a truly happy family with great morals.

michele said...

Did you see the commercial they are going to be grandparents Anna is pregnant!

Ottawa said...

I think it's great that Jim Bob
is careful about his reactions in front of the kids- that's why his kids are so even tempered-
My husband never yells at our kids
and I know parents who fly off the handle easily- it really affects the children's self-esteem and
their feelings towards their parents.

Tammy C said...

18 Kids and Counting
Duggars Say Goodbye
TV-PG

For a family so close it makes saying goodbye even harder. Watch as Jim Bob, Michelle, and the kids say goodbye to their beloved Grandpa Duggar.


Now this take guts to let a private time be on TV!

Jacelynn said...

Congrats to Anna and Josh!

Sad that grandpa Duggar died before he got to meet his great grand baby.

swissmiss150 said...

I am really shocked that they would have run out of diapers. They always seemed remarkable organized. Why don't they buy them in bulk?

Little Miss NASCAR said...

I love the Duggars but was sort of bored with this episode. One of the things I thought was cool though was the guy from the crew who brought them diapers. It kinda shows what a nice family they are to their crew that the guy would do that- and appear to genuinely not mind. Imagine if the Gosselins needed something. Can you picture their crew wanting to make a trip out in an ice storm?

I haven't seen the commercials for any of the upcoming episodes, but how cool if Anna is pregnant. I only hope Josh will let her enjoy her first pregnancy and respect of she doesn't want to be in front of the cameras a lot.

The grandpa Duggar episode will be sad.

KateINpa said...

I didn't see this commercial that everyone is talking about!! How do we know Anna is pregnant from the commercial?? Darn DVR... I never watch the commercials anymore.

And on a side note, I enjoyed the episode last night, they're such a cute family. On the same note though, I couldn't help but think "I could NEVER be in a house with 18 children for over a week with no electricity, no school work to do, AND when none of them can go outside to play!" God Bless them, because I might have lost my mind!

Cheerio said...

I can't imagine being 20 years old and more than likely having a child before my first wedding anniversary. It reminds me of something from the old days. Josh is going to try and compete with JimBob in a virility contest. Yuck. Poor Anna.

Jacelynn said...

I don't think its poor Anna, she is an adult and she chose this. Its not for everyone but its her decision. I wish them all the best.

criticalthinker said...

I must say I interpreted the commercials a little differently. It seemed to me that Anna and Josh could possibly be having some trouble getting pregnant. Anna said "THIS month, I was hoping it just might be positive...I've taken several pregnancy tests in the past few months, etc". I could be wrong, but bless her heart, I just don't think she's pregnant yet.

kateINpa said...

Can someone pleaseee explain the commercial

Jacelynn said...

Well even if she isn't I still like the show. :) And hope them all the best.

Christina said...

I also don't feel bad for Anna. I don't think Josh is forcing her to do ANYTHING she wants to do. She genuinely seems to want kids, and soon. Even if you think she's been "brainwashed" you can't argue that she herself has said she wants as many kids as God gives her.

I do hope, however, that Anna won't feel like a failure if she doesn't conceive quickly (or ever).

KidsAreCute said...

I think in the commercial, after Anna says, "We've taken several pregnancy tests", she then says something to the effect of, "But this time, we knew we were pregnant".

Willow #1 said...

I watched last night's episode, but did not see the commercial about Josh and Anna or Grandpa D. Are you saying that will be 2 new episodes next week? That would be neat.

I loved the episode about the ice. I live in the same area of the country as the Duggars and we have had the exact same storms. They are bad. I was thinking last night that one of the reasons I enjoy the D's so much is that it would be nice in some ways to have a big family so that you would never be lonesome and would always have someone who cares in your corner, etc. They may not miss having alone time as they have never had it, so they don't miss what they haven't had, so to speak. I don't know for sure - just speculating.

As far as running out of diapers, I suppose the storm might have caught them off guard. I agree, they must be VERY organized, but it is also nice to know they are not THAT perfect, LOL.

I agree that Josh and Anna know full well what they are doing about having children. I just hope they will reserve their right to change their minds later if they want to. It should not be forced on anyone. I hope the girls will all be strong in that regard. Remember what Anna's brother-in-law said in his posting - that he and Anna's sister did not plan to have unlimited children. I think J&A are so cute and sweet - I just hope they think everything through and just follow their own hearts. If they do that, they will do fine.

I love their example of having G&G D live with them. No selfishness there and lots of family to help out. Glad baby Jordyn is o.k. how scary that would be.

Sorry this is so long ya'all - I haven't written for awhile. Love and peace. :)

criticalthinker said...

I think I might stand corrected. I just saw an ad on NBC for the Today show this coming Monday, and the Duggars will once again be joining us via satelite. Supposedly, they have "a big announcement". If I were Michelle, I would feel like a complete dips*** if I were pregnant at the same time as my daughter in law, or if I had a child younger than my own grandchild. Maybe they will be content to stop now that they have baby Jordyn, but you never know with this family.

Cheerio said...

Willow #1, since Josh is a product of the Quiverfull movement and by their interpretation of the Bible, he is the head of the family and his wife is to submit to his authority, I'd say it looks like Anna will be following the same path as his mother, that of baby factory. What else does he know about life other than what he was allowed to experience within the walls of the Duggar compound? No, Smuggar Duggar will try to be just like Daddy so he can brag that "I'm the father of _____ children". (Fill in the current number.)

Jim S said...

If Anna is indeed pregnant, it's not like it's that uncommon to get knocked up so fast...it's just this environment of 18 children that makes it seem weird. My son made his appearance a little over ten months after my ex and I married.

As for the ice storm, that was chilling...literally. We had a similar storm in December and we're still cleaning up from it.

Jacelynn said...

criticalthinker: I don't think Michelle and Jim Bob should have to stop having children because Anna is pregnant. They have always said that they would let God decide if they had more kids, so why should that stop now?

Cheerio: I think its kinda of rude to label Michelle and Anna as a "baby factory". Your assuming that Josh wants to be just like Jim Bob but JB has always said that he leaves how many children they are going to have up to Michelle and Michelle leaves it up to God. I think its wrong to assume that Anna is being forced into this, or is some how brainwashed. Are we all not brainwashed by how we are raised? We all have different opinions on things because of our life styles and upbringings so why is it not normal for Anna to want a large family?

ffemtmomof4 said...

I forgot to watch this episode. Does anyone know when it will be on again? Thank you.

Kate said...

Well said Jacelynn!

We really are all brought up in different ways and it usually shapes us into who we are. I'm by no means identical to my parents, but there are so many similarities. Josh and Anna are out on there own making their own decisions and just living life. They're living how THEY want to, and if that means allowing God to decide how many children they have, good for them. When your courting someone you still have choices to make, you can always choose not to get married, or even not to court. I'm pretty sure Anna wouldn't have married this guy if they didn't share these same values...

PAmama said...

I didn't see the Anna/Josh part. Was it in the previews for the next week?

Rebecca said...

Ha! About the camera crew buying diapers. :)

Tofugrammie said...

You know, I saw a comment here that reminded me I have something to say on that subject and have been wanting to for some time. You see, I get tired of folks referencing the Fundamentalist Christian children as growing up 'brainwashed". If they are "brainwashed" there are many others who are brainwashed as well. There are so many techniques of childrearing that go to extremes. The way a child is raised makes them who they are tomorrow. I would much rather see a well raised "brainwashed" Christian Child than a "brainwashed" inner city child who was raised by drug addicted shoplifting criminal parents (best example I can think of right now). Which "brainwashed" child do you think you would rather be around? You see...children are born blank slates and molded/brainwashed in the first several years of life to be what the parents make them to be. Children will ultimately, raised properly, be their own person in spite of whatever brainwashing. The lights come on and their own minds come into play eventually in spite of all the brainwashing be it good or bad...at least in the strong ones. No; I don't believe that good Christian children are any more brainwashed than a "good" Wiccan child.

Melody

jen h said...

I think that the Duggars are doing a wonderful job at raising their children. I love the way that they talk to their children in a calm voice instead of screaming at them, that is a much more effective approach to parenting. Prime example, I would rather spend a month in the Duggar house with their 18 kids then five minutes in the house with Jon and Kate and their screaming 8, wouldn't you?

Natalie said...

Just for the record(and to introduce myself), Im not a conservative Christian, and Im actually Childfree, but I think the Duggars are interesting because they do seem to have a generous spirit and practice what they preach. Michelle's praise "praise your children 10x more than you correct them" reminds me of my Mom, who ONLY had me to raise- she always thought it best to positively encourage me and deter negative behavior rather than punish/yell/punish. I seemed to have turned out alright. Law school, no drugs, drinking or babies and my idea of a rockin Satruday is a movie and lasanga! LOL.

I read "20 and Counting" for free at Barnes and Noble one afternoon. It seems to me, and I believe that Michelle even admits it at one point, that the time she and Jim Bob had together before Josh was born(4yrs) really helped strenghten their marriage. They were even advised not to have pets or a tv during the first year so they could just focus on each other.

However, if M and JB had been practicing the Quiverfull philosophy at that time, they wouldnt have had those years together to simply focus on themselves and their marriage and perhaps they wouldnt be as solid as they are today.(18 children is no doubt a stress- a joy yes, but definately stressful)

You can never say what COULD HAVE been, but I do know Josh and Anna most likely wont have the benefit of being married for year before their first child is born. Hopefully this will not have a negative impact on their relationship.

I also have a question, if the conservative Christians/Quiverfull movement believes that God is the ultimate "birth controller"(and that all humans have control if is whether or not they have sex or not) then couldnt God just decide to not allow your contraception to work? And you would have a child regardless of using contraception or not?

I am not attempting to be ignorant of ANYONE's religious beliefs, but some forms of hormonal contraception have health benifits for women(regulating periods, PMS, PMDD etc). Would the Quiverfulls approve of an unmarried woman(not having sex) using hormonal contraception for that purpose and then going off of it when she became married? I was just wondering. Thank you.

Willow #1 said...

Cheerio: I know what you are saying. Apparently J&A subscribe already to THE theory. I just hope they will always keep their options open. They are SO young. And, also, we don't know what JB says to his boys off camera. I was rasied a pretty conservative Christian, but we never had anything in our denomination at all about obeying men per se. Only vauguely about parents being examples for the family, etc. Submitting to men was not taught, so that is the hard part for me to agree with. If the husband is very kind and loving and is not a tyrant, I could see that maybe it could work for some couples. Maybe JB&M are one of them. I am afraid Michelle will not give up until nature or her doctor's advice forces her hand. I don't think Anna being pregnant will matter. JMO.

I just think the world of all the kids, though, and I really want the best for them.

Oh, and what is so creepy about the Bates' boys? Did I miss something. Maybe the poster is thinking what I am --- what if one of the girls was to fall in love with a boy who did not want a lot of children. I mean - what if 18 children have 18 children each???? That is mind boggling.

We are under tornado watch - hope you all have a great weekend.! P&L

Jen said...

I just wanted to respond to a post about the Duggars running out of diapers. I attend college at the University of Arkansas which is right down the street from where the Duggars live. The ice storm caught everyone by surprise. The northwest part of the state was declared a state of disaster and the average family was out of electricity for 3 weeks! I don't think the Duggars were being irresponsible, just didn't expect the ice to get that bad. No one did. Even now as we are entering spring, there is still much destruction and many areas that need to be cleaned up! The duggars were lucky to be able to use generators, some were not so fortunate.

Anonymous said...

i love this family and love the show it is nice to have good family shows on tv. god has blessed then and i know he will keep blessing them, for there service to him. thank you god.

Jenn said...

I saw the Josh/Anna thing. I heard her say that they kept hoping this month would be it, but I didn't hear her say that she's actually pregnant. We'll see Monday I suppose

Beth said...

I have a question. I watched the episode and they mentioned not having school work. I thought they were home schooled, therefore it's not like they had a snow day. How did they not have any school work to do?

Jennifer said...

Natalie-
I just wanted to answer your question about if a quiverful couple were unable to get pregnant. My husband and I have one child (we do not use birth control) and are quiverful in meaning that we leave God in control and not us. Doctor's would diagnose us with "secondary infertility" but we do believe that it is God that opens and closes the womb. For this purpose, we would not seek fertility treatment other than things like eating as healthy as possible so that our bodies are as capable of sustaining a pregnancy as possible simply as preparations for if God chose to bless us. We would not use means of IVF, etc. to achieve pregnancy. We know that children are a blessing and would love to have more and cry out to God to bless us in this way but we also know that He is sovereign and can see the big picture whereas we cannot. I hope that helps to answer your question.

Jennifer said...

Natalie-
Sorry, I think that I misinterpreted your question. I see now that you are asking"Couldn't God just decide to not allow your contraception to work? And you would have a child regardless of using contraception or not?"
To answer this, yes He could but I believe that at times God gives us what we ask for even when it is not best for us because we are not seeking after His will but instead after ours. God's will is what is not only best for us but for His glory. A couple that desires God's will in their lives will structure their lives accordingly and for us this means that we don't try to do everything possible to achieve our will and hope He interjects if He doesn't like it but instead to make our prayers and our lives as open to His control as possible. I hope that makes sense. It really is about the heart and what it means about where our heart (motives) are when using birth control. In essence, the meaning is in the name- it is "control", it is taking control of when you produce life and that job is God's that we are again and again taking into our own hands. We also look at in in light of scripture and see that God again and again says that children are a blessing- "blessed is the man whose quiver is full of them" (Psalms 127 where the 'quiverful' movement derived its name.) We also look at scripture and see that God does not give us more than we can handle when we choose to lean on Him for strength and provision. Most couples reasons for not wanting children 'yet' don't factor this into their decision when they say, "This just isn't a good time financially", "I don't think that I can handle another child", "I don't feel that this is a good time, God". The fact of the matter is that God is our provider, He knows better than us where we will be financially with this child and has the ability to meet the needs that come with the blessing He has given. To say that I can't handle another child or that it isn't a good time also assumes that I know better than God does what I can handle or what is best plus it does not factor in the strength that God provides for me. Are anyone's finances in too great a disaster for God to work through them? Is one more child too much for God to strengthen you to handle? To think so is to have a limited view of God's power. These are just a few of the things we thought through when making our decision to put God in control of our fertility. Hopefully it provides some insight for those who might not understand it.

Faithful Catholic said...

I'm not familiar with the "Quiverfull" movement, (I'm Catholic), but can someone answer this question for me:
If a Quiverfull couple can't conceive, are they allowed to adopt?

Natalie said...

Thank you for your response Jennifer. It was very insightful.

Another part of my question though was if an unmarried woman(not having sexual intercourse) would be allowed to take hormonal contraceptives for the non contraceptive health benefits(reduced PMS, PMDD, irregular periods etc) until she became married. I was just wondering if that was allowed.

Anna V said...

The Duggers had alot to deal with during the ice-storm. Grandpa very ill,baby dugger admitted to the hospital and a ice storm to boot.

Jennifer said...

Faithful Catholic-
to answer your question, yes. In fact, if you go to the quiverful webpage there is a link to adoption resources.
Natalie- to answer "Another part of my question though was if an unmarried woman(not having sexual intercourse) would be allowed to take hormonal contraceptives for the non contraceptive health benefits(reduced PMS, PMDD, irregular periods etc) until she became married. I was just wondering if that was allowed."
If quiverful has a particular position on this, I am not sure that I know of it. I believe that because of the mindset of most quiverful minded folks they most likely would not take anything that could possibly hinder their reproduction in the future. I do know that many use more natural treatments like Chasteberry or other herbs to regulate cycles just as well as birth control does without the same side effects. Just a guess but again, I don't think that there is any official statement concerning this.

Natalie said...

Jennifer,
Thank you again for answering questions and educating us on the Quiverfull philosophy.

stampersim said...

Yahoo home page reports Anna and Josh are expecting their first baby in October, a month after their 1-year anniversary.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/duggars_grandchild

Jacelynn said...

Oh, congrats to Anna and Josh!

Thanks for the link Stampersim!

Clearing the Air said...

That picture of the two of them is so cute!

By the way, to be brainwashed, or "indoctrinated forcibly", is to persuade someone of a point of view or lifestyle while at the same time not allowing them access to any other. All human beings that are mentally healthy, and of at least average intelligence, are rational beings and are capable of choosing for themselves what they think is best between two or more options. The Duggar children while surely sheltered and protected from those things of which their parents do not approve are not told that those things don't exist or that those things send people straight to hell. The Duggars constantly introduce their children to new people and places and lifestyles and try to show them the right path. That isn't brainwashing, that is responsible parenting. Polygamist compounds though, for instance, are examples of brainwashing because children there are completely secluded from the rest of the world and indoctrinated into thinking that if they stray they go straight to hell.

jonandkatewho? said...

I hope I say this the right way. I also mean no offense to anybody, and thank you to the poster who educated us about the quiverful philosophy.

I was just wondering how any pregnancy can really and fully be left under God's control when we as human beings make the choice of whether or not to have sex, and when.

Without the sex we wouldn't become pregnant; it just seems to me that a woman and a man might subconsciously make a choice that is in line with how they really feel about getting pregnant at that particular moment.

I know that many believe that God gives us free will, so is that theory responsible for the fact that we choose when to have sex, therefore rendering it God's will?

philosophymajor said...

The Duggars, and most Christians, believe that God is the controller of all things except of course free will. Thus, God is the controller of nature. Therefore God controls all natural processes, from the weather to plant growth to whether or not sperm and egg meet. God obviously does not control whether sperm and egg are introduced into the same environment, as that is part of free will, but He does control whether a man has sperm and whether they are viable and He controls whether a woman has eggs and whether they are viable. And then once humans choose to introduce sperm and egg He controls whether a baby is made. The Duggars believe God controls nature, not free will, but being good Christians they submit themselves to God so that they might follow Him with their free will. Therefore not only do they think God has directed them to have sex as that is one of the most important parts of being a married couple, they also choose not to interfere with whether or not conception takes place because God controls natural processes.

St. Thomas Aquinas, the philosopher on which a lot of Catholic and other Christian conjecture about these things is based, made the argument that to interfere with nature was to overstep the privilage of free will that God gave to humans. He says that God gave humans free will so that life would have meaning through the choice not to sin, not so that humans could try to take the place of God. This is where the saying about how people who have abortions are "playing God" comes from.

This help? Haha

jonandkatewho? said...

Actually, that was quite interesting, and I thank you for posting it!

SuzanneDeAz said...

Too bad the baby got sick.

Anonymous said...

I was sorry to see the baby go into the hospital, but I felt it is unfair for both Jim Bob and Michelle to stay in the hospital with her for several days and leave the other 16 at home "with Grandma." You know that means the older girls have to do everything, as they always do.

Those 2 annoy me so much. They have all these children but don't raise them! No wonder they're so sweet and calm with the children. They don't have the day-to-day stress of laundry/cooking/cleaning/childcare for the 18 children they chose to have.

Laura said...

I, too, got caught in the ice storm. I live right by University of Arkansas, and we even went and slept in an empty classroom while we waited for the power to get turned back on. I have a two year old, and I am just grateful I live within walking distance from a grocery store. I can totally understand how people got caught without diapers!

Anonymous said...

I have to say, I actually really like the Bates clan. They may seem a little more... strict, I guess, than the Duggars in some ways, but they also seem quiet and sincere about it, just living their lives in their own way and not making a fuss over it. Gotta give 'em props for that.

mamawama said...

I wanted to answer the question about " why not just abstain from sex".

The Duggars follow the Bible, and it says in 1st Corinthians 7:5 that you should not withhold yourself from your spouse except for a time of prayer, and then it has to be mutually agreed upon. ( paraphrased)

So, to avoid sex every month just around ovulation wouldn't be following that scripture.

Also, I think they enjoy children. They are doing a great job instilling values and morals into them, so why not have a whole big bunch of them?

I'm excited about the new episode tonight. Maybe I can get some parenting pointers LOL