Monday, January 31, Duggars Rock the Vote (episode 6)

John David decides to follow in his father's footsteps and run for political office with the support of the Duggar clan. Later, Joseph follows in his older siblings' footsteps getting braces. Finally, Josh and Anna give us an update on Anna's pregnancy.

30 minutes

69 comments:

Anonymous said...

How is this eppy 6 already?

Sharla said...

They are being aired out of order of filming.

Allison said...

What's interesting about the timeline is that the season premiere took place on November 4th, while the events of the second episode, "Episode 6," actually take place at the end of October, since election day was on November 2nd. The "first" episode must have actually been episode 7 or something. I wonder why they did that.

Anonymous said...

I hope Anna gets to talk. I hope Josh doesnt talk over her. I also hope they dont bring back up the summer misscarrige. Its hard enough for them.

Anonymous said...

John David Duggar went down in political defeat, right?

oh my said...

Jorydn blowing that wistle thing in Josies ears. Ouch. Her ears are still so tiny and could be damaged easily.

I dont like how one of her brothers put her up on the counter. She is not a dolls.

mack is cute said...

They make it seem like Josh,is only helping becuase Anna is pregnnat. Yea, I do get the part about the dirty diapers becuase the smells are horrible even when not pregnant.

I also dont get why they are using a bottlel Why not just get her started on a sippy cup? So, they dont have to wean her of the bottle later.

Anonymous said...

If you want to get your kid to go to sleep at night, probably the worst thing you can do is run them around like that. What happened to quiet family time, a warm bath and a story to get them in the mood for sleeping?

Anonymous said...

Was Josiah sleeping on a blanket on the floor?

Anonymous said...

I sincerely think that little Jordyn is the cutest little girl. She just seems to go along by herself or with one of her sisters or brothers. Michelle's interaction with her is to keep her away from josie. It was cute the way her brother took her downstairs and fed her breakfast. Little Jordyn seemed quite happy to be with him and enjoyed her breakfast. I can't help feeling that this was all staged, but Jordyn enjoyed it. I suspect that she will be a very independent woman. I get the impression that she hardly relates to her mother or father. They will have to take responsibility for that.

I also wonder to what extent the exposure of activities are staged. We are being given little vignettes of interaction with outsiders but I'm guessing that it is still not something that occurs often.

I really liked Jill and Jana in the EMS uniforms.

Anonymous said...

what was the little pony tail headbad thing they had on poor little Josie's head??

Cyn said...

If you want to get your kid to go to sleep at night, probably the worst thing you can do is run them around like that.

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Depends on the child's temperament. Out of 5, 4 of my children would not snuggle up and read and book and calmly go to sleep... they were more like the energizer bunny, and we had to wind them up all day long and into the night. Then yank the batteries out at the last minute. The up side was though that all of those 4 slept through the night from 2-3 months on. Of those 4, 3 learned by the time they were 5 that bedtime meant bedtime... but it took all 5 years to get that trained into them.

I do wonder though if "night owlish behavior" is learned or inherited. My hubby is an early to bed early to rise, I on the other hand would rather sleep all day and be up all night. The kids are split down the middle... And the Duggars all seem to have the "trait" as well.

I liked the episode for the helpful tidbits I can use with my kids, youngest ones anyway and gave me ideas on role playing with the older ones.

Anonymous said...

Why was Jordyn blowing a horn in Josie's ear? Why was one of the boys carrying Josie around so roughly and then plopping her on the counter?

So much for keeping Josie quiet and safe for the first two years (not to mention the 30 kids with flu in the house when the Bates family visited). Poor Josie!

Anonymous said...

Watching Josh stand over Anna's shoulder to make sure she voted "correctly" really burned me up. I guess that must be his jurisdiction. I didn't notice her watching him vote.

I wonder how many plastic utensils and styrofoam plates the Duggars go through in a month. It has to be easily a thousand or more. I would be embarrassed to have such a famous guest eating from disposable plates. Do they not have any "real" dishes? (I know Josh poo-pooed china dishes when he took Anna to that one restaurant. Like it was something pretentious.)

Molly said...

I think John David is coming into his own, in fact a lot of them seem to be. I am confident there will be a Duggar in local politics. This family seems to be blossuming. And it is a miracle that Josie is doing so well. This is such a loving family.

Tammy C said...

I thought the same thing when Anna was voting but did notice that when Josh votes she stood there and looked also.

Nice to see Michelle home with the young ones by herself.House seems more organized after their year of turmoil with Josie.

Allison said...

Watching Josh stand over Anna's shoulder to make sure she voted "correctly" really burned me up. I guess that must be his jurisdiction. I didn't notice her watching him vote.

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I didn't really think he was making sure she voted correctly (I don't think she would vote any differently regardless of him being there), but I did think it was weird that anyone was next to her. When I vote, you have to be alone. They have curtains and everything.

I did like that the kids knew the importance of civic duty (even though they don't believe what I believe). There are so many kids that are apathetic about the voting process, and I think it really hurts our country.

I also thought it was interesting that Joseph got braces. There have been several comments around here that Jim Bob must only care about how his girls look so they can look their best and then be "married off" but here's a boy getting braces (also noting that Jinger never got braces).

Erika said...

During the scene when they were putting Joseph's braces on they showed a picture of him as a little one. He looked just like Jackson. It was cute to see the resemblance.

Anonymous said...

Watching Josh stand over Anna's shoulder to make sure she voted "correctly" really burned me up. I guess that must be his jurisdiction.

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I wondered that, too. And didn't he say to Anna at the kitchen table something like "now, have WE decided who we are going to vote for?" I wondered if that meant they vote jointly - decide together (Patriarch in charge though) to whom BOTH votes would
be given.

Hope this is not the case. As a female, what's the point of living in a democracy if your Patriarch has the final say over your vote?

Anonymous said...

Surely Anna can't be so dumb as to need help in the voting booth.

Carla said...

There is a big difference between wearing out and riling up, Josh!

I doubt Josh has any more influence over Anna's vote then his family's over his. I'm 100% sure they ALL vote along party lines with little (or frankly NO) variation.

Celestie said...

I liked the way Michelle handled the conflict between the younger children.
I thought it was strange that she is always saying she knows her children's hearts, yet she hadn't a clue what their favorite colors were. Even if that changes monthly, it is part of who they are.

Thought it was strange they would serve an "important guest" food on styrofoam, with plastic utensils.

Anna is waddling around like she is 9 months preggers, not 3 months. I, too, thought it was weird that Josh stood over her while she voted. She stood off to the side while he voted.

Did anyone think it was odd that some of the girls were wearing flip flops in the cold weather while standing on the side of the road?

Jordyn is also a baby girl, yet has to be responsible for treating Josie, the real baby, carefully. She seems to be under the care of her brother. Her mother even said she had only been thinking of Josie for a year. Poor Jordyn and Jennifer. Jordyn seems independent, Jennifer seems just lost.

Anonymous said...

"I doubt Josh has any more influence over Anna's vote then his family's over his. I'm 100% sure they ALL vote along party lines with little (or frankly NO) variation."

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Sadly, this is just exactly what I would expect from the Duggars, who raise their children to blindly, unthinkingly accept any and all parental party lines.

Way too totalitarian IMO.

Anonymous said...

Yes, Anna did look more then 3 months. I also wonder if Mack sleeps in with her father?

I wonder if she naps still during the afternoon.

I am just happy that Mack isnt using any of Josies milk,

Anonymous said...

It was good to see a "stay at home" episode where everyone wasn't loading in the bus to travel. I laughed at one of the pops that said Michelle was home alone with 6 children...they are her children, why shouldn't she be at home with them?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

It was good to see a "stay at home" episode where everyone wasn't loading in the bus to travel. I laughed at one of the pops that said Michelle was home alone with 6 children...they are her children, why shouldn't she be at home with them?

2/01/2011 2:46 PM
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Well 9 year old James stayed to help out. It wasn't just Michelle.

Justin is so much more mature than Jackson. When Justin was 6 he was going everywhere with the bigger kids but Jackson isn't invited as much. Jackson is really milking the youngest brother thing.

Anonymous said...

Jackson looks like a real handful. Nothing shy about that boy. I'm getting a bit tired of his interview chair antics.

Anonymous said...

I really wanted to refrain from mentioning this but since it bugged me so much (and others as well) I have to. Josh standing over Anna while she voted was so odd. In fact where I am from, it's completely prohibited. No one is allowed near or around another's voting booth, even if they're husband/wife. I also heard Josh say at the table "we" know who we are voting for (or something along that line). It would really sadden me to know that Anna isn't even free to participate on her own in the political process. That's taking the patriarchal role too far.

Mackynzie is the cutest little girl. She seems so happy and enjoys time with her parents. Anna made the comment that Mackynzie needs the new baby because she needs a best friend.IMO Mackynzie actually needs more one on one time to get to know her parents, not be thrust into the "big sister" role already.She has plenty of aunts and uncles she can spend time with. I just feel like Anna is beginning to justify the need to have a large family.

MOM IN TEXAS

Anonymous said...

Here in the south we wear flip flops pretty much year round, flip flops and uggs when it is wet or rarely snow.

Anna is showing sooner because this is her 3rd pregnancy and her uterus has been previously stretched, though that is really her business

Anonymous said...

Isn't 16 a bit old to be getting braces? Kids are usually done by then after starting around 11-12. Joseph does seem like a nice boy, very much like John David. He's older than Josiah and Josiah is now driving. Have we seen Joseph driving? Poor Justin already has a buddy it seems. I think he's way too young to be expected to make and serve breakfast to an even younger sibling. Josie is blossoming but good Lord, please get rid of that pig-tailed head band! That is the most ridiculous thing I've seen in a while. JimBob and Michelle both acted silly and giddy with that preacher. And serving him tatertot casserole? Good grief. (edited)

Anonymous said...

While it's true that it's Anna's third pregnancy, if I remember correctly she was barely a few weeks pregnant when she had a miscarriage. She wouldn't have been stretched at all at that point.

In my opinion, if you didn't know Josh and Anna were in their early twenties, you could easily mistake them for 10 years older. It's kind of sad that they are still so young but already so settled down.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I do not feel Ana has to justify her belief in big families. She does not even know if she will have a big family as they are trusting God for the size of the family and God may not give them more than a few as they have mentioned before. They believe in what they have stated and have no reason to justify it.

Anonymous said...

It was a little disconcerting how Michelle, especially, was gushing over the preacher. He is on radio and television and so that is an added attraction I guess.

One would think that when someone she admired so much came to dinner, there would be a little more thought and preparation into it. Maybe Jim Bob should have hunted some squirrels. They would at least have had some meat.

Little Jordyn is the forgotten little girl. It is such a shame. She didn't even have her mother for five months. They are strangers to each other. Also, Little Josie is certainly being thrown into the rough and tumble. So much for protecting her for two years. I guess one of the little boys will soon be responsible for checking her oxygen, etc.

Anonymous said...

I had difficulty with the reason Josh couldn't get out of the car and canvass or advertise for his brother. Did anyone hear why he couldn't. He just brought food. (not diminishing that, but Anna could have done that alone.) I am sure if he were running for office, there would be no excuses. everyone would have had to be out there. JMHO

pumpkin said...

The fact that Josh was allowed to stand behind Anna at the poling place shocked me... our poling people would never allow that!

I was also astonished to see the girls in lightweight skirts and flipflops while campaining. The guys were wearing heavy hooded work coats and it looked quite chilly. Put some socks and shoes on those girls!

Anonymous said...

I thought the little boys were doing very well with Josie. It seems the family is finding a good balance between giving her normal family interaction as well as special time and care. As far as a big brother checking her oxygen, I don't believe she is on oxygen anymore. She is over a year old now, and I don't recall seeing the cannula stickers on her cheeks recently. She seems to be doing well in every sense of the word.

Anonymous said...

I do not feel Ana has to justify her belief in big families. She does not even know if she will have a big family as they are trusting God for the size of the family and God may not give them more than a few as they have mentioned before. They believe in what they have stated and have no reason to justify it.

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You are so right: Anna does not need to justify her desire for a large family.

And, by the same token, none of us need to justify our negative feelings toward the Duggars for this or any other Duggar mentality.

To each, her own.

Anonymous said...

There are a lot of women who look to their husbands (mates) to tell them how to vote. I'm sure if you mentioned the suffragettes and what they went through to get the vote for women, they wouldn't have a clue what you were talking about.

Michelle does say it is a responsibility to vote. I don't think she would discuss with her daughters that they have the right to vote and that each individual should to vote his/her own conscience. I don't think you will find any rebels in this family. I would hazard a guess that whomever Jim Bob votes for is the option for the rest of the family and those who join the family. JMHO

jj said...

"I wonder how many plastic utensils and styrofoam plates the Duggars go through in a month. It has to be easily a thousand or more."

I was thinking the same thing! Besides the horrendous amount of trash they create by doing this, I am quite shocked that they gave that preacher, whom they clearly worship, a Styrofoam bowl and plastic fork for his dinner! C'mon Michelle, you can't bust out regular flatware for your idol? It isn't like she would be the one loading the industrial dishwasher anyway, right?

Anonymous said...

I agree with those that are tired of seeing the Duggar girls in flip-flops.

It's not just a southern thing, I'm in NY and college student have been known to wear them all year long. Yes, in the snow. And some of them even wear shorts (usually the boys, and probably because they roll out of bed and go to class).

The thing is, it just looks cheap to wear flip flops all the time (and this is coming from someone who wears them, occasionally, in the summer). They're terrible for your feet and even worse for your posture. I would never wear them in large crowds for fear of being injured.

Recently, saw images of Jessa and Jinger wearing different shoes, those girls seem to have a good eye for style (other than crunchy hair, but hey, can't win 'em all). The kicker for me, though, was when they hiked in flip flops while the boys all had sneakers. Not saying their parents forced FF on them, but they sure risked their safety by allowing casual footwear for hiking a mountain.

Hopewell said...

I was stunned to see the little ones so close to Josie and no one even seeming to notice. [Why this should still surprise me I don't know]. Obviously the Duggars are working hard to overcome their image of passing off the childcare and housework to the daughters and mil--we actually see Michelle doing something with her own children for once.......

mitzimoo said...

The English major in me found the wording in the voting pop-up regarding voting rather odd. It said that 7 of the Duggars (I'm assuming that's JimBob/Michelle and the five oldest kids (although Jessa just missed the cut off for this last election) were "eligible" to vote.

What it didn't say is whether all of them (sans Jessa who was a couple days short, but was eligible by the time they knew the show would air) actually DID vote.

Interesting that I live in a very blue state and when I vote, it's in an actual booth where no one can influence my vote other than myself. I imagine those contraptions Josh/Anna's county use could fund a few flats of baby supplies for those crisis centers for which they are helping raise money.

Josh, buy yourself a Manzierre. I really didn't need to be defrauded by his manboobs in that yellow polo shirt (and I think he even had a tee underneath). Yikes! No wonder Anna is also bursting out of the seams of her clothes at two months (at the time of filming). She looked to be at least four months along.

To conclude: when the Duggars moved into the TTH, didn't Michelle have a nice china cabinet with some real china displayed? Remember, they got married before they sent off the deep end, so they were probably registered somewhere, like most regular couples who marry that young and don't have much in the way of household necessities. Of course, these days, that china is under big time lock and key so the howlers won't get ahold of it. I especially worry about Jackson; I know Johannah is incredibly intelligent, but even so, he is definitely below grade level in both what we've seen of his education as well as his interaction with others (Michelle admitted as much). I hope he doesn't have ADHD because it would never be properly diagnosed and treated.

Anonymous said...

Here's my suggestion to the Duggars: have a family meal with real dishes and silverware, served family style (dishes passed around the table) at least once a week (hopefully more!!). I would be horrified to have my kids grow up thinking that being served meals cafeteria style is the norm.

If they had family style served meals, they could work on things like manners and correct behavior (like not chewing with your mouth open...which I have seen on this show more than once). I think the cafeteria style, hodge podge grabbing this and that contributes greatly to the chaos in that house.

Anonymous said...

"I had difficulty with the reason Josh couldn't get out of the car and canvass or advertise for his brother. Did anyone hear why he couldn't."
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I wondered about this, too. When he said it was too cold, it took me a second to even think about why that should affect them more than it affected the others. Then I realized okay they have Mackynzie and Anna's pregnant. That excuses the two of them, because I certainly would not stand out in the cold with a baby or being pregnant, so that makes perfect sense. But Josh? I don't really get that. At the same time, though, Josh is married now and has his own family. Maybe they had something else to do or he needed to be home with them for some reason. He has no obligation to participate in a family event anymore.



" Anna made the comment that Mackynzie needs the new baby because she needs a best friend.IMO Mackynzie actually needs more one on one time to get to know her parents, not be thrust into the "big sister" role already"
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I can see this point, as I don't want Mackynzie to get lost in the shuffle, but it's quite common for parents to believe this and to have children a year or two apart. I have a sister two years younger and I am VERY glad she was born to be my best friend for the rest of our lives, and I have several friends with sisters close in age who feel the same way. My childhood was WONDERFUL because of her, and I'm very glad I had a sibling close enough in age that we enjoyed the same things at the same times and could relate to one another.

I do appreciate, though, that with Anna the concern is that she'll have a lot more siblings, not just a couple more playmates, and that's kind of a different thing. I don't think there's anything wrong with thinking that your one child might want a playmate, and right now one child is all she has, so that's all I'll judge her on.

Anonymous said...

"I don't think she (Michelle) would discuss with her daughters that they have the right to vote and that each individual should to vote his/her own conscience.

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And there you have what is, IMO, the scariest part of the Duggars: they believe there SHOULD only be ONE 'conscience', which is defined the extreme right wing Christian mentality.

The Duggar parental 'conscience' is considered to be the ONLY way to view life and, so, to vote, i.e. elimination of alcohol sales, abortion, schools teaching creationism, dress codes from 1900, etc.

The Duggar kids are SO indoctrinated and insulated that they do not even seem to comprehend just how small and how far to the right the parental teachings are. They do not seem, if we are to believe what we see on their show, to understand that there are far more than just ONE route to leading an ethical life AND to responsibly vote.

With this Duggar mentality, The Patriarch might as well just count up the number of voting age heads and phone in his tally to the voting poll - kinda like ordering a pizza - no thought required, except The Patriarch's counting.

Sad and scary IMO.

Anonymous said...

FWIW, 16 is definately not too old for braces. Speaking from personal experience, I had them at age 11 (Fifth grade) and I grew a foot or more by age 18, I had to have full mouth braces (Twelfth grade.)

Anonymous said...

Am wondering if the late-stage braces timing is due to the Duggars now having enough TLC $ to pay for orthodontia?

With their 'no debt' mentality, perhaps even children's orthodonic needs do not warrant 'sinning' against the no debt policy?

flipflop said...

Someone mentioned Jinger not having braces.I don't think she needed them.

jj said...

"Josh, buy yourself a Manzierre. I really didn't need to be defrauded by his manboobs in that yellow polo shirt"

Hahahahaha!!!

Anonymous said...

Joseph's braces: most of my googling searches revealed the average age for getting them was 12 - 16, so I don't think it's all that big a deal. Isn't more important that he's getting them AT ALL?

Justin as a buddy: We've repeatedly heard/seen that all the children are on buddy teams pretty much from weaning on. I noticed he 'asked' about getting Jordyn breakfast, I'm sure Michelle would want to encourage this kind of helpful spirit and Jordyn seemed to enjoy it.

Josh supervising Anna's voting: yes, strange that he was permitted to stand near her while voting and strange use of the phrase 'who we're voting for'. But, Anna isn't stupid. I'm sure if she wanted to vote for someone different, she would do so and Josh would never know the difference.

Anna showing already: Every pregnancy is different. I think it's common knowledge that subsequent pregnancies tend to make Momma 'pop' sooner than the first.

Kynzie spending more time with parents vs. other family or a new sibling/best friend: Seems pretty obvious she spends A LOT of time with her parents, I couldn't see how she would spend more time with them.

Night owl Duggar trait: Just like every pregnancy, every child is different. If wearing out OR riling up Kenzie works for them, great. Another no-win situation for Josh and Anna, it would seem.

Anonymous said...

"Josh supervising Anna's voting: yes, strange that he was permitted to stand near her while voting and strange use of the phrase 'who we're voting for'. But, Anna isn't stupid. I'm sure if she wanted to vote for someone different, she would do so and Josh would never know the difference."

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The inherent problem addressed previously is that, in Duggar-like Patriarchy, wives may not believe they are ethically allowed to vote differently than their husband. Let us hope this is not the case.

Anonymous said...

"Joseph's braces: most of my googling searches revealed the average age for getting them was 12 - 16, so I don't think it's all that big a deal. Isn't more important that he's getting them AT ALL?"

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The Duggar children's orthodontia needs can be used as a good example of when the Duggar 'no debt' policy might not always be the best route.

Perhaps it is best for the kids to get braces sooner than later, so that the dental correction can be most effective and efficient.

This might be a good example of why the Duggar 'no debt' policy is not always necessarily the best choice.

Such black vs. white approaches to life rarely play out well across all scenarios, IMO.

Just food for thought....

Anonymous said...

I don't think there is a text book guideline for when someone gets braces. I know people who have gone well into adulthood before they receive braces.Braces are not inexpensive and I know the concept may seem foreign to some but not everyone can afford them at the "correct" time.I don't think that it matters that the Duggars have a lot of children, either. Braces are a costly procedure.


Every pregnancy is different.Anna does seem to be further along than she is. With my 3rd pregnancy I hadn't told anyone about 10 weeks into my pregnancy yet most people knew and said I was "showing" already.

Allison said...

The inherent problem addressed previously is that, in Duggar-like Patriarchy, wives may not believe they are ethically allowed to vote differently than their husband. Let us hope this is not the case.

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Considering the background of these families (very religious and very conservative) and the fact that matches are so carefully considered by both potential spouses *and* parents, I'm not sure why anyone would think that Josh would even *marry* someone who would believe differently than them.

The Duggars and Kellers clearly vote party line. They have always participated in the Republican party, campaigning, etc. I'm sure it was clear during courtship that Anna and her family are Republicans.

The bigger question is whether or not that political ideology was independently decided on by Anna herself - and I think the answer is a resounding NO. Most of us (not all, but a lot) are raised to believe a certain way by our parents and continue to vote and believe similarly as we get older. Anna was raised religious and conservative, and she clearly chose to continue that way of life. What makes anyone think she would be different from Josh in voting?

I'm sure the question everyone is discussing is "Is Anna even allowed to vote differently than Josh?" to which I would say, probably not. But I honestly don't think it would be an issue. They are obviously of the same mind in a lot of areas, because Anna chose to follow in her parents (and the Duggars) footsteps, unlike her one sister and brother, who have deviated away from the family mentality.

Anonymous said...

"The bigger question is whether or not that political ideology was independently decided on by Anna herself - and I think the answer is a resounding NO. Most of us (not all, but a lot) are raised to believe a certain way by our parents and continue to vote ... similarly as we get older.....What makes anyone think she would be different from Josh in voting?

I'm sure the question everyone is discussing is "Is Anna even allowed to vote differently than Josh?" to which I would say, probably not.

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What's the point of living in a democracy if everyone is expected andn/or honor-bound to vote in Duggar lockstep?

Anonymous said...

"Considering the background of these families (very religious and very conservative) and the fact that matches are so carefully considered by both potential spouses *and* parents, I'm not sure why anyone would think that Josh would even *marry* someone who would believe differently than them"

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Seriously? I find this nothing less than scary.

To the Duggars, as they wish, but I, for one, am glad my marriage is strong enough to accommodate differences in political and religious ideologies. The more I learn about these people, the less I respect them. JMO.

Allison said...

Seriously? I find this nothing less than scary.

To the Duggars, as they wish, but I, for one, am glad my marriage is strong enough to accommodate differences in political and religious ideologies. The more I learn about these people, the less I respect them. JMO.

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Personally, I do look for someone who believes similarly to me politically and religiously, just because I find that lends toward less tension in a relationship and I have beliefs that I want to pass down to my children. However, if I did disagree, I know my fiance would let me decide for myself. I also believe that if my children disagree with me, then they should be allowed to, b/c of free-will and all that.

I do not get the impression that such an understanding exists for the Duggars, nor do I think any of the Duggar children (Anna included) would ever consider going against the "Duggar way. I don't think it even occurs to anyone in the Duggar household that you *could* change your mind, even if you wanted to. I'm pretty sure all the children will continue to vote the way their parents have voted, even if their parents never directly say, "You must vote this way." The obedience thing has been driven home so hard for this family. I also think that they specifically look for people who will be what they expect. From what I've seen in interview with the Duggars and the Bates, they are heavily reliant on the "guidance" of their parents.

hannah said...

I would like to see the boys get a makeover. The girls have dressed a lot better in the past couple seasons.

Also,if Mack needs a playmate. Why doesn`t wanna join a mommy at me at the local church group. Since, she no longer works at the lot. Anna is a geat mom. However, she needs to be with kids her age it helps build soical skills and such.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Having Play dates are not the same as having a sibling. It is not uncommon for parents to want their kids close enough in their ages to become best friends and have someone to play with.

Anonymous said...

On the part where Michelle was talking to Jackson about taking away Jenny's ice cream, was Michelle cooking Ramen noodles in a crockpot during this epi? Did anyone else see that? Maybe it's part of a bigger recipe because it sure would be quicker to do it on the stove or in the microwave. Just sayin'... Can't beat Ramen noodles on a budget, though!

Anonymous said...

--I don't think there is a text book guideline for when someone gets braces. I know people who have gone well into adulthood before they receive braces.Braces are not inexpensive and I know the concept may seem foreign to some but not everyone can afford them at the "correct" time.I don't think that it matters that the Duggars have a lot of children, either. Braces are a costly procedure.--


Exactly! Perhaps they can only afford for 1 or 2 kids to have them at once, so the child that needed them the most got them first. Or perhaps it isn't medically necessary for Joseph to have them and he only became interested in getting them for cosmetic reasons now that he is older.
My friend's son and my nephew both got braces at a young age, 11-12, and both had to get them again at age 16 and wear them for 2-3 more years. The first set was a complete waste of money for both.
Also, I once dated a man who bought himself braces for his 40th birthday, so, no, there is not a "correct" time to get them, ...especially for cosmetic reasons only.

Anonymous said...

There may not be only one perfect time for a child to address their orthodontic needs, but in a family that has so many children all within a couple years of one another, if there is a best age (as deemed by the orthodontist) to get the braces, IMO the Duggar 'no debt' policy ought to take second place on the priority list.

Orthodontia is expensive, and this is why most orthodontists allow a monthly payment program, rather than requiring full payment upfront.

IMO this is a good example of why so proudly having a 'no debt' policy is not always the best way to go. Paying monthly on a larger bill is debt, but isn't addressing your kids' dental health in the most medically effective way and timing MORE important than maintaining a death grip on a 'no debt' proclamation?

Cyn said...

IMO this is a good example of why so proudly having a 'no debt' policy is not always the best way to go. Paying monthly on a larger bill is debt, but isn't addressing your kids' dental health in the most medically effective way and timing MORE important than maintaining a death grip on a 'no debt' proclamation?

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Of all the children I don't see any medical reason to have braces. I haven't seen severe twisting of the teeth, jaw misalignment, or any of a host of other issues that would deem them medically necessary at any certain age range. My sister waited till she was in her late 30's to have hers done.

Braces to straighten out spacing and a slight twist here or there is cosmetics, and as such why would you want to pay debt on them? And for all we know the Duggars made payments, it's not a debt if you don't borrow money, they may be prepaying each step as they go.

Anonymous said...

"Of all the children I don't see any medical reason to have braces. I haven't seen severe twisting of the teeth, jaw misalignment, or any of a host of other issues that would deem them medically necessary at any certain age range. Braces to straighten out spacing and a slight twist here or there is cosmetics, and as such why would you want to pay debt on them?
... it's not a debt if you don't borrow money"
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Unless readers here are orthodontists, which is highly doubtful, how can any of us presume to know what level of orthodonic work is necessary for the Duggar kids?

To those who don't believe the orthodontic work is medically necessary, to what do you attribute the Duggars getting braces? Are you saying they are allowing orthodontia for vanity and/or to make their children more visually palatable for their viewing audience?

It's an interesting financial/economic view to consider it 'no debt' while knowing the completed orthodontia includes a hefty balance still hanging overhead.

IMO the point is: simplistic black vs. white/zero tolerance approaches to life are rarely the smartest way to go. JMO.

Sharla said...

I opened a braces thread in the Open Forum blog. My apologies for removing a few comments over there as I thought I'd changed blogs and was back over here.

Anonymous said...

Re: I had difficulty with the reason Josh couldn't get out of the car and canvass or advertise for his brother. Did anyone hear why he couldn't. He just brought food. (not diminishing that, but Anna could have done that alone.) I am sure if he were running for office, there would be no excuses. everyone would have had to be out there. JMHO

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I thought this was great,because it shows they do have some boundaries within the two families.Josh is married and he should not feel he has to take part in every escapade the Duggars go on.He has his own family to take care of now,and it was nice to see he didn't feel obligated to help out for a change.He probably just showed up with the food to get a check from tlc,imo.

Anonymous said...

Just watched the rerun of the episode from this week. Anna also watched over Josh's shoulder when he voted. Ironic that there is zero controversy about that and zero negative comments about Anna doing what we ranted Josh for. Seems that we were too quick to judge, again, I think. And it seems that is happening more and more. I think some of that is definitely due to pure saturation from the show, due to the suggestive nature of the TLC editing and due to mainstream folks just unable to connect with the Duggar-particular values system.

Anonymous said...

Wonder if this is a case of TLC putting something back in to an episode in response to internet talk. They've been known to re-edit a show before it goes to re-run (the kids showing what some said were hand gang signs comes to mind).

Anonymous said...

Well, the shot of Anna looking over Josh's shoulder was a quick one and during a voice over. If it was a re-edit by TLC prior to the re-run this week, that is just as bad as the original poor editing.

I think it's pretty obvious we'll never see an accurate picture of this family.