Monday, January 24, First episode season five 10:30 PM Duggars Shoot for the Sky

Jesssa's turning 18 and her 18 brothers and sisters, along with Michelle and Jim Bob, have a very special celebration planned, complete with a shooting range and skydiving. But when Michelle takes a pregnancy test, will she be able to join in on the fun?

30 minutes

Thank you, Allison

133 comments:

Allison said...

It looks like TLC moved up the premiere of Season 5!

Of course, the synopsis is totally misleading because we all know Michelle went skydiving (there are pictures of her with Jessa in the gear and in the sky). So yeah. We also know she's not pregnant because we would totally know by now. However, it is always fun to see special celebrations for the kids. Hopefully it'll be more about the party and less about Michelle's non-existent pregnancy.
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Willow #1 said...

Wow - what a teaser for this one! It will be fun to see them skydiving. In spite of all my misgivings, I am still looking forward to the shows starting up again.

Anonymous said...

Jessa is my favorite. Not only is she the prettiest of the Duggar girls but she's got a lot of spunk and a cool disposition. If any of them marry out of the lifestyle I think it'll be her. A special birthday for her will be nice to see but I'm sure a lot of the show will revolve around Michelle too. It always does.

watchdog said...

Jessa's birthday was November 4th. We know Michelle wasn't pregnant then, but it doesn't mean she couldn't be by now. Silly TLC!

Anonymous said...

Seriously, we are again discussing Michelle's cycle. Is she pregnant or not pregnant? I mean everyone in the family has to become involved in her cycle. This lady has to be the most narcissistic female in Arkansas. The children who are already born always seem to take second place to the one who might or might not be conceived.

I really do wonder how she will cope when her body finally decides it has had enough. That time can't come too soon. She and Jim Bob should start looking after the young children they already have. I seriously think there is definitely something psychologically wrong with them. There only happiness seems to be in front of the cameras or parading the evidence of Jim Bob's testosterone.

I shudder to think of what will happen when the cameras are gone or when Michelle does reach Menopause. I suppose the viewing public will be exposed to the minutia of that experience, as if she were the only female on the face of this earth experiencing same.

Reality TV Junkie said...

I don't think she will be pregnant. A lot of teasers are very miseading. If she is, just imagine the controversy.

Anonymous said...

"What if TLC came out with a promo like, "Watch Michelle tutor Joy in Algebra, John-David talking about his life as a young entrepreneur, and Jill wrangling 3 toddlers at the playground."

...wait, that sounds boring, ++++++++++++++++++++++

Not only boring but unlikely to impossible. Michelle tutor someone in ALGEBRA???? JD articulately discussing his success in his entreprenurial attempts? The Duggars come clean about the full extent to which their eldest daughters take responsibility for the younger children?

Yeah, sure, TLC will show us this. Right around the twelfth of Never.

Anonymous said...

"People aren't going to keep buying these cheesetastic promos hook, line, and sinker like they did in the last couple seasons."

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I wish I could agree with you, but IMO to the basic Duggar fanbase, these hokey promos are not seen as cheseetastic, but, rather, 'encouraging', and right up their alley. Neither the Duggars nor their promos are my cup of tea, but the Duggar fans as a whole seem to buy into this kind of PR and branding.

ennvee said...

But wouldn't the Duggar fanbase know that Michelle indeed went skydiving with Jessa? Shoot, wasn't it People who ran the article? At any rate, who DOESN'T know that she wasn't pregnant then?

Interesting that TLC moved up the date of the first episode. I guess they're saving Josie's birthday episode for February Sweeps (I bet it'll be an hour special on 2/1).

Anonymous said...

"I wish I could agree with you, but IMO to the basic Duggar fanbase, these hokey promos are not seen as cheseetastic, but, rather, 'encouraging', and right up their alley. Neither the Duggars nor their promos are my cup of tea, but the Duggar fans as a whole seem to buy into this kind of PR and branding."

OK, I happen to really like the Duggars and admire quite a few things about them. However this doesn't make me an uneducated, naive idiot who lives in a cabin in the woods, that is mesmerized by "cheesetastic promos". If you knew me you'd probably think I was a pretty normal person. I like the Duggars, I couldn't care less about TLC. I watch their show DESPITE the promos, the branding, the PR schtick and whatever else TLC does to try to amp up a show that really needs no embellishment in the first place.

Peace said...

I'll probably skip this episode if they are going to a shooting range.

Anonymous said...

"I'll probably skip this episode if they are going to a shooting range."

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Excellent point.

I wish TLC & the Duggars would drop the whole gun thing from their brand.

damage_control said...

Shooting range??

So is this episode just damange control for the pictures of John David and the exchange student that Amy released on her facebook that the tabloids picked up? That might explain why they are hurrying up to show it.

Anonymous said...

Being the snarky person that I am, I hope the Duggars and TLC keep up with the "going to the gun range," "God and guns" theme shows ad ifinitum, or at least until ratings drop precipitously.

I picture JimBob in a Charleton Heston pose with his TLC contract -- "You'll have to pry this from my ... hands!"

Come the day TLC does not renew, JimBob will by crying into his Snickers bars.

Anonymous said...

It is absolutely beyond my comprehension why this beautiful, innocent young girl would want to go to a shooting range for her birthday. I was not brought up with guns and I think there are just too many of them around these days.

It just does not compute, for me, to see these almost childlike speaking females and going to a shooting range. What is the attraction?

I think that I, too, will miss this episode. If this is being done because of the picture of John David, I think they are scraping the bottom of the barrel.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I just do not understand the comment how can a desire to go to a shooting range be hitting the bottom of the barrel? People complain that the Duggar children are not free to have choices and differences and they hold to gender roles too much and then when one of them chooses something that may differ from a gender role and may differ from what some may not choose for themselvesl they are now reaching the bottom of the barrel? I doubt if this has anything to do with the reaction of that picture of the two boys and their hunting guns as most likely the show was filmed before they picture comments were posted.

I think often we give too much credit to what others are saying when it comes to what they select to put on the shows.

i-like-pie said...

I know a lot of people really like guns, and everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but MY opinion is that they are not appropriate for "family entertainment" nor is a trip to the shooting range "good family values".

Some people in my own family would heatedly disagree with me, and that's fine. That's their opinion.

But my opinion is just as valid, and it may disuade me from tuning into this episode... although there is a strong chance I will watch it for the mockery and disdain factor.

This show is turning into a freak show, just like the Gosselins.

msrylee said...

I couldn't have said it better Anon 1026h. and several others. Count me out as well.

Jen said...

"It is absolutely beyond my comprehension why this beautiful, innocent young girl would want to go to a shooting range for her birthday."
-----------------------------------Hunting and shooting seems to be something that is "common" with families the Duggars know. The Bates website has a picture of one of their girls wanting to go hunting for her birthday and they claim she is a better shot then her brothers. I do not think this is a Gothard or Quiverful thing except from the "fact" that maybe if one lived in a prescribed female/male role world and one was allowed to do something many consider a boy thing one might want to do it.

I for one wouldn't want to have a Duggar girl denied permission to go to a shooting range if they wanted because they were an beautiful girl.

Anonymous said...

Just wanted to say, I have family that lives less than a mile from the duggars.
And this town is like any other, they gossip.
They didn't film this episode this past month.
They filmed it and john david hunting, and skinning his first deer back in the fall. Nov. to be excate. because that is when hunting season is.
Just wanted you all to know some truth.

CappuccinoLife said...

I think most of us are aware by now that the episodes air many weeks to months after filming. Don't see that anyone would be surprised by that, or consider it an "untruth". :/

Anonymous said...

In my opinion, it is distasteful for TLC to show either a female of male member of the Duggar family going to the shooting range. I am entitled to think and express this opinion. I don't like guns, I wouldn't have one in my house and I firmly believe that guns are far to easy to obtain. I was simply commenting that there must be something more entertaining for someone's birthday than that. It had nothing to do with gender. I would hazard a guess that this is something either Jim Bob or TLC wants this young lady to do. I also refuse to get into a debate about same.

For me, hunting and skinning any animal is not entertainment and I will not watch it.

Cyn said...

I don't understand what the issue is with the shooting range that people didn't have with the paintball gun episode.

We already knew they could shoot, and shoot well (the Duggars stomped the Bates) when they played paint ball, and they play laser tag. The little boys play with toy guns all the time... and one of the little boys (back some time ago) wanted to be a cop just because they got to shoot guns (LOL)(and the boy was very little when he said it too no much more than 7 I think if that)

I for one will watch it simply because I currently have cable and I like watching the Duggar shows. Not because it has any specific content.

Anonymous said...

sry i meant to also add
that even though they filmed his skinning deer and showing how they use all the meat in the winter etc

i am doutful if they put that part on as it isn't for everyone
but they might put it in, who knows, all i know is they did film it.

i for one have been around hunting all my life and I hate guns, but i do know that skinning a deer or any other animal is how you get to the meat.

How else do you think that meat that you buy at the super market came to be there.
thye like millions of others are tired of paying over the top prices for meat. when you can hunt yourself and not have to pay a high price for meat.

they film alot and most of it doesnt make the show
they like many others ar

Anonymous said...

i have a big family on both sides, 20 cousins on each side,and on my moms 17 of us cousins are married with 2 kids of our own.
We are bigger than the duggars when we get together. which is atleast once a month.
and all the guys go out to the field and skeet shoot.
me, i hate guns, but my brother and cousins like to hunt.

guess some would find my family unappropriate then

again it all depends where you grow up in this country.
if you grew up in the middle states,its normal thing. outter states not so normal.
even if you grew up in the bigger cities in the central states, you still know of hunting or know someoene that hunts.

Anonymous said...

The Duggars eat meat; venison is meat; hunting is very popular in the state of Ar so why wouldn't they go target practicing and then hunting to obtain what is a good source of protein in their diet. Most children in the part of Ar we live get their first deer when they are still children. The Arkansas Youth Shooting/Sports program starts children in 6th grade and home schoolers are welcome to participate. Here is the link: http://huntingheritage.org/node/141

Anonymous said...

A paintball gun is very different from a real gun. One is a toy and the other is a deadly weapon.

Anonymous said...

Not a fan of guns, but it doesn't surprise me that the Duggars have and use them.

With all the safety problems in that house (and there are far too many to mention), I only hope that Jim Bob keeps the guns locked and teaches the kids gun safety. I could just see an awful accident happening because no one in that family pays any attention to safety. ever.

Peace said...

I somehow feel we will be watching the Duggars lose their innocence if we see them shooting guns. They would have been so wholesome up until then. Maybe this season the Duggars are wanting to branch away from the goody, goody image.

CappuccinoLife said...

Why is hunting and gun knowledge "unwholesome" as an image?

I know 100% pacifist Mennonites who own hunting rifles and kill their own meat.

I really don't see how this could possibly be viewed as the Duggars wanting to move away from what they believe, whether you think that's "goody goody" or just their faith. Nothing they've stated as a belief is in conflict with hunting, or gun ownership for self protection, for that matter. And if you're going to own a gun, it's a good think to know how to use it properly, so a shooting range is a great idea.

razorback said...

I live just outside Tontitown and yes, hunting is totally and completely normal in Arkansas (was there ever any doubt about that???) But that doesn't make the pictures appropriate.. at all. And it ESPECIALLY surprises me coming from the Duggar family.

Every male in my family hunts.. I'm disgusted by it, but I really don't care if they do it. But.. there is totally a difference between a man holding a gun and showing of his kill, and a man holding a gun like a gangster... showing off his gun(s)

P.S. I have a feeling TLC is using Amy and her constant facebook-ing as cheap advertisement for the show.. a way to stir the pot for free. She reminds me of Michelle's "evil" twin (just being silly here) but really.. they are attention maniacs.

Peace said...

NO paintball gun is a deadly weapon too, Its not Some toy at all. it can kill you just like a gun, if not wearing proper gear, one close hit to the heart, one close hit to the hit or far hit, any hits to the head.

so its not a toy either.

1/16/2011 10:36 PM
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How can you even put guns and paintball guns in the same category? Since they let a 6 year old play paintball, I would consider it safe and in no way comparable to real weapons. I've never heard of a death by paintball gun but I will google it.

Anonymous said...

NO paintball gun is a deadly weapon too, Its not Some toy at all. it can kill you just like a gun, if not wearing proper gear, one close hit to the heart, one close hit to the hit or far hit, any hits to the head.

so its not a toy either.

1/16/2011 10:36 PM
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How can you even put guns and paintball guns in the same category? Since they let a 6 year old play paintball, I would consider it safe and in no way comparable to real weapons. I've never heard of a death by paintball gun but I will google it.



no they aren't in the same cart. as a real gun. But they are deadly too, not just a toy.
those six years are playing with the less air guns, not the bigger air guns that is normally played with.
guessing you have never played before, thus never having one hit you. If one hits you, its makes a 3 inch round size or more DEEP purple bruise.

I had a friend loose a eye during church camp. his glasses fell off and someone hit him.
one of those to your temple, and or head. it can be very deadly

Anonymous said...

...I somehow feel we will be watching the Duggars lose their innocence if we see them shooting guns. ...

Guns aren't the evil things some folks seem to think they are. Hunting for food is as old as time. I see nothing wrong with it altho it isnt something I would do myself. The Duggars aren't shooting people afterall. People that shoot people are evil, not the gun.

Anonymous said...

Is it worse for hunters to kill some deer for food or to allow the deer to overpopulate to the point where they are continually running out in front of cars on the road causing damage and injuries as well as getting themselves killed and not being useful for meat. This happens all the time in the midwest where I live and I would guess it would also happen in Ar

Anonymous said...

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention(CDC) and the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) claim there were approximately 21,840 nonpowder gun-related injuries treated in emergency departments in 2000. Between 1990 and 2000, the CPSC reported 39 nonpowder gun-related deaths, of which 32 were children age 15 and younger. (snipped)

Nonpowder guns are BB guns, pellet guns, air guns, and paintball guns. There have been two reported deaths from paintball guns, both related to the C02 cannisters discharging, but dead is dead, and the cannisters ARE part of the gun.

It is extremely reckless to underestimate or downplay the serious risks involved with any type of weapon, regardless of whether it is labeled a "toy" for the purposes of marketing.

The Duggars, as well as every parent, should be aware of the dangers, and make sure that if they allow their children to participate in activities involving these weapons, safety procedures are followed to the letter. Even that isn't foolproof, as manufacturer defect or user error can still result in injury or death.

I hope, in this upcoming episode at the shooting range, only a small number of Duggar children are participating. They need to be old enough, and mature enough, to fully understand each step of the safety process. The Duggar parents shouldn't be distracted from carefully watching over the "shooters" by the antics of the younger kids. And, certainly, the older kids, if they are using a gun, need not try to juggle safe operation of the weapon while tending to their "jurisdictions."

Anonymous said...

I hope, in this upcoming episode at the shooting range, only a small number of Duggar children are participating. They need to be old enough, and mature enough, to fully understand each step of the safety process. The Duggar parents shouldn't be distracted from carefully watching over the "shooters" by the antics of the younger kids. And, certainly, the older kids, if they are using a gun, need not try to juggle safe operation of the weapon while tending to their "jurisdictions."



i hope they dont bring Young kids
they dont need to be there until they are of a certain age



i dont think we will see the little kids at the range, i know That when they filmed John skinning The Deer< it was night and no kids were out there.

Sharla said...

Please remember the topic is the Duggars. Many recent comments have been pretty far afield.

Allison said...

Not that this is an indication of Michelle's fertility, but Michelle is almost to her "personal record" of going without being pregnant. The last time was between Johannah and Jennifer. Johannah was just over a year old when Michelle got pregnant with Jennifer. Other than Johannah, Josh is the only Duggar to make it to their first birthday without Michelle being pregnant (based on the birthdates listed on Wikipedia). If Michelle goes much longer without getting pregnant, I think her chances of getting pregnant again will be severely diminished.

Anonymous said...

Re: If Michelle goes much longer without getting pregnant, I think her chances of getting pregnant again will be severely diminished.
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possibly,but fertility declines greatly with age,so just because she isn't getting pregnant again as quickly,doesn't mean she isn't still fertile.It could just take longer to conceive,at this point.It wouldn't surpirse me at all,given her past record of fertility.

Lisa said...

And technically I don't believe we know how old Josh was when Michelle had her miscarriage between Josh and Jana and John. For all we know she could have been pregnant again before Josh even turned a year old.

Cyn said...

The numbers are rough; I simply went from birthday month to birthday month.

Josh to Jana/ John David = 22 months
Jana/ John David to Jill = 16 months
Jill to Jessa = 18 months
Jessa to Jinger = 13 months
Jinger to Joseph = 13 months
Joseph to Josiah = 19 months
Josiah to Joy-Anna = 14 months
Joy-Anna to Jedidiah/ Jeremiah = 14 months
Jedidiah/ Jeremiah to Jason = 16 months
Jason to James = 15 months
James to Justin = 16 months
Justin to Jackson = 18 months
Jackson to Johannah = 17 months
Johannah to Jennifer = 22 months
Jennifer to Jordyn = 16 months
Jordyn to Josie = 12 months
Josie to now = 13 months

Other than Jordyn to Josie (and Josie was 3.5 months early which would have put the difference back up around 16 months) they tend to be at least 13-14 months apart with most of them having longer distances.

They also said they would spend the first year of Josie’s life concentrating on her and her health. Since Josie spent at least the first 6 months of her life in the Hospital I doubt there was time or energy for “hanky panky” or at least a lot of it. The seven months or so since she has been home have been rather full as well, with every one learning how to treat Josie, the adults learning how to care for Josie and the scare JimBob had with almost losing Michelle would also make me think the “hanky panky” has been less.

Anonymous said...

Yes, but it doesn't take a lot of hanky-panky to become pregnant, it only takes once. ;) I think Michelle's age has got to be the diciest factor here. At some point her fertility has got to drop off, and quickly, according to statistics. But this is Michelle Duggar we're talking about here, the most fertile woman on the planet. My bet is she's got at least two more in her.

Anonymous said...

I find it odd that a woman with a little girl demeanor who uses terms like 'under clothing' is ok with the entire blog world discussing the level of sexual activity, fertility status, and counting the months between each of her 19 kids.

But then again, the Duggar family doesn't seem to see anything wrong with showing a USED pregnancy stick on nat'l tv.

Kinda tacky on all counts, IMO.

Anonymous said...

"But then again, the Duggar family doesn't seem to see anything wrong with showing a USED pregnancy stick on nat'l tv."

Michelle and JimBob did not show a used pregnancy test on tv. After the announcement of one of their pregnancies, JimBob asked her if she wanted to show it, and Michelle emphatically stated that no she did not. Are you thinking of Josh and Anna? They may have done that, I'm not sure.

Anonymous said...

The Duggars are full of inconsistencies. I also think it is odd that the Modest Duggars talk so much about conception, post the period calendar, show ultrasounds and live births on TV, but won't even let Michelle's neck be out the first time she holds her premie.

It's all very odd, but I have given up on trying to make sense of the Duggar's way of thinking. Basically, I think Jim bob is a good businessman, eager to make a boatload of money, and doesn't really care what he has to do in order to ensure that he continues to expand his family's wealth, even if those actions don't make sense with what they SAY they believe.

Anonymous said...

Yes, it was Josh and Anna who showed the used (eewww!) pregnancy stick on camera. I believe Josh and Anna fall under the larger term "the Duggars," so the statement by the previous commenter was correct.

Anonymous said...

haven't seen a link to this yet --
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b221982_find_out_michelle_duggars_latest.html
discusses new episode and upcoming season in general. sounds like a lot of issues that have been raised will be addressed.

Cyn said...

LOL I knew they would do the College learning on the net for as much as they can...

I am listing the reasons I personally think they would do it.

1) It's cheaper and I mean upwards of 75-90% cheaper than even going to a state school.

2) They don't have to figure out the logistics of the film crew on campus.

3) The 'students' won't have to put up with the nuts that watch the show bugging them all ours of the day and night in the dorms, or on campus itself.

4) The ones that really don't know what they want to do can take various courses as background filler till they settle on major.

Anonymous said...

That was an interesting link, and I looked up "College Plus", that the Duggar parents claim will be the way for their kids to earn college degrees. It all looks pretty lame to me, since apparently, through this on-line program, students can earn a college degree in 18 months. It was encouraging to see that students take CLEP exams in some subjects.

I really doubt that a non-accredited degree earned on-line in 18 months holds the same credibility as a traditional degree. Still, if the older kids are doing something to further their education, that is definitely a good thing, even if the degree itself isn't all that worthwhile.

Allison said...

The CollegePlus! program actually says that during the last phase, students enroll in an accredited college to finish their bachelor's degree.

"When CollegePlus! students transfer their CLEP and DSST credits into the distance learning college and finish their online courses, they are eligible to graduate with their fully accredited bachelor's degree."

I'm not entirely sure why these kids can't just go to a regular Christian college, but at least they are able to get a degree if they want. It also makes some sense considering how many children they have that they would want to encourage this route since it does look like it will be a lot cheaper than affording a private Christian college (I imagine that any school they get into would be private and very $$$).

Other than this bit of info, the E! article didn't really say anything new that us Duggar-watchers didn't already know. I did think it was interesting that they specifically say they only film three days a week for up to three hour, or when they are going out. This is probably why we don't see as much stuff on their schooling. The cameras simply aren't there all the time.

Anonymous said...

While I admire the duggars on many levels, I really have yet to be impressed with the way they have handled parenting for adult aged children.. they seem to literally be stuck at home until marriage. They raise really great kids, then refuse to allow them to date (without chaperones), get jobs (the girls, at least), or further their skills and education (unless they do it over the computer in jim bobs sight). If jana doesn't marry until 30, will she stay home until then? According to gothard, yes. Why are they so afraid of the world? If you have "raised them in the way they should go, they will not stray".

Again, this is coming from someone who really admires the duggars position on marriage and child training.. but I feel they kinda dropped the ball with the oldest ones

Anonymous said...

While I think online courses are a step in the right direction, I really don't think it is enough.

One of the most valuable things I learned in college was how to work together on collaborative projects with people who came from very different backgrounds from myself... just like I do every day in the workplace.

I work for a large multinational corporation. On a daily basis, I interact and perform on teams with Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and atheists. The Duggars would most likely be very uncomfortable in such a situation, especially if they were told they could not Witness on the company's dime.

Anonymous said...

Could they even get into a Christian college?
I don't see how they can get a good education,esp. for things like nursing,all online.It takes hands-on training and social skills to be able to do some of the degrees listed at CollegePlus.

Anonymous said...

This "CollegePlus!" program is not any sort of accredited college plan. From the information on its own website, it ONLY provides "coaching" in various subject matters, for fees ranging from $10-15,000 dollars. After receiving these coaching courses, the person then has the option to try to "test out" of a traditional college class, by taking a CLEP or DSST exam. If you follow the link to the CLEP or DSST, it clearly states that it is up to the accredited college as to whether they will offer credit in lieu of the test results.

The website also clearly states that it is required to complete the education process at an accredited college in order to receive a bachelor's degree.

There are many such programs cropping up, especially for working adults who are wishing to get, or complete, a college degree without sacrificing more time/money. However, there has been much written about being cautious about such programs, because they are "for profit" institutions.

I think that as much as many people want to see the Duggars have access to higher education, some may see this program as constituting a real college education. It is not, nor does it profess itself to be, if you are able to sift through the claims it makes about its programs.

Perhaps the Duggars just tossed this educational crumb out to their viewers as a way to appease those who think they are stifling their childrens' educational opportunities. Surely, even they understand the word "coaching."

Anonymous said...

"Why are they so afraid of the world? If you have "raised them in the way they should go, they will not stray".
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That is something I've long noticed myself. The Duggar parents have put in a great deal of effort to raise their children under a certain set of beliefs, but don't seem to have much confidence that they did a good job in raising up their children.

If Mr. and Mrs. Duggar, while dating, did not engage in improper behavior; when then do they feel certain their grown children, while courting, would behave differently?

It's a very odd system, where the adult offspring are treated like children in many respect, right up to the point they say "I do," and then presto bango! they are magically capable of making all their own adult decisions.

It's also a rather Victorian-drab sort of life for young women who don't marry -- staying under their parents' roof, basically as unpaid household help, nanny, teacher, etc. At least Jane Eyre got to seek employment outside of her grim home!

Kitten said...

If Mr. and Mrs. Duggar, while dating, did not engage in improper behavior; when then do they feel certain their grown children, while courting, would behave differently?

Actually, JimBob (now) thinks he and Michelle did engage in "improper" behavior, as in they kissed and (in his words) "went farther than they should have." So he fears his children might fall prey to the same temptations. Now, given that his *current* ideas of "going too far" include kissing, frontal hugging, and being alone without a chaperone, let alone whatever he and Michelle did, I could see why he's afraid to let his kids out of his sight. :>

As for the College Plus program, anyone, anywhere, can take a CLEP examination at any time. It's like the SAT, ACT, or any standardized test - you just sign up for it and take it. Sounds like the majority of College Plus is just a coaching program, like the SAT tutoring a lot of kids use. You can go to the bookstore and buy prep books, or order online study guides from the College Board that prep you for a specific CLEP exam, and study on your own, if you're motivated, but some people prefer a directed study program. Even if you pass every CLEP exam you can take, you still need to complete some classes through an accredited university (online or brick and mortar) to actually get a degree.

Anonymous said...

'The Duggar parents have put in a great deal of effort to raise their children under a certain set of beliefs, but don't seem to have much confidence that they did a good job in raising up their children.

If Mr. and Mrs. Duggar, while dating, did not engage in improper behavior; when then do they feel certain their grown children, while courting, would behave differently?

It's a very odd system, where the adult offspring are treated like children in many respect, right up to the point they say "I do," and then presto bango! they are magically capable of making all their own adult decisions.

It's also a rather Victorian-drab sort of life for young women who don't marry -- staying under their parents' roof, basically as unpaid household help, nanny, teacher, etc. At least Jane Eyre got to seek employment outside of her grim home!"

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Applause!

Someone really ought to toss in the "J" name of "Jane Eyre" for Michelle's #20. Jane Eyre Duggar - has a certain truthful ring to it.

Anonymous said...

Seems sad to think that adult children can't make any decisions themselves, including how to behave on a "date". Having chaperones for adults in their 20's is just plain weird.

Hannah Leah said...

I only got to see half so far, as I didnt know it had moved, or that it was on tonight.

I felt bad that they all went with Jessa. It was clear she wanted to be alone with her mom. Seesh.

Jana and Anna look alike. I thought Anna was standing when I saw curls,but it was Jana.

Why do they show this same stuff over and over. They had them sky diving beore. They also had Jim do some jumping thing during an epi.

When will we find how Anna is doing? If its a boy or girl?

Anonymous said...

Let me get this straight....hugging your male child front to front is forbidden and will defraud them, but being strapped to a non-related male where there is contact (between cloth, of course) of bodies, including his genital area, is ok? No hypocrisy there at all.

Allison said...

I thought this episode was really good. I was kind of surprised how realistic and normal it seemed.

First, on Michelle's possible pregnancy, I thought it was refreshing that Jim Bob admitted that it was scary to think about having a 20th child, what could happen, etc. But they were still trusting God with their future and that was that. I may not agree with it, but at least they're human and have real fears about it.

Other things of note:
- the little children went to the shooting range, but only the middle boys and older children actually shot a gun. I though Jim Bob's experience with being robbed grounded the whole thing in some personal experience, and he verbally said the rule "always act like the gun is loaded and don't point it at anyone." Now, that "hunting photo" may not have showed that, but at least he knows that.

-Michelle cooks for her children!

-Michelle teaches her children!

-Jessa is cool. While I definitely think skydiving was her idea, I'm not 100% sure the shooting range was her idea. She didn't quite seem as into that idea as skydiving, so I'm wondering why they bothered going?

-Josie looks awesome. And Jordyn? Couldn't be cuter.

Also - 2 episode next week! And the show will be on at 10pm, not 10:30. It was only on at 10:30 because of the Great Baker Challenge that was 1.5 hours.

Anonymous said...

I forgot to add.....why are they letting a 10 year old shoot a handgun? Under what circumstances is he going to have access to one and what kind of situation would he be in that he would need one? That was extremely disturbing to me.

mitzimoo said...

I think Michelle has taken more than 50 pregnancy tests since 1987. I'd probably put a 2 in front of the 50.

Qwestion: Isn't having a male strapped to the back of an unmarried woman potentially defrauding? What about a male strapped to the back of a married woman who isn't allowed to hug men outside of her family? I remember Jana also had a male tandem jumper; just seems odd given their stringent belief system regarding mingling with the opposite sex...err...Jender. ;)

Jane Eyre Duggar! *dies*

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

I forgot to add.....why are they letting a 10 year old shoot a handgun? Under what circumstances is he going to have access to one and what kind of situation would he be in that he would need one? That was extremely disturbing to me.

1/24/2011 8:13 PM
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Justin was shooting and he just turned 8! I'm glad I was not raised around guns.

Kitten said...

While I definitely think skydiving was her idea, I'm not 100% sure the shooting range was her idea. She didn't quite seem as into that idea as skydiving, so I'm wondering why they bothered going?

Because TLC thought it would make a great episode. No mystery there. Any time you see someone uncomfortable or awkward (remember the Swiffer product placement?), you can bet TLC had a hand in it.

So Michelle has taken over 50 pregnancy tests? That certainly doesn't sound like they were patiently waiting for a "gift" to be given to them, but actively pursuing one. That sounds rather greedy.

Anonymous said...

I thought the same thing about the hypocrisy of an unknown male being strapped to a Duggar woman, with obvious contact between the most intimate parts of their bodies.

I wear normal bathing suits, shorts or pants, but I am not sure *I* would like that much contact with a guy I didn't know.

That family makes just about no sense at all.

Anonymous said...

"...he verbally said the rule "always act like the gun is loaded and don't point it at anyone." And The Patriarch's wedding day sex talk was "People are like Legos...."

The Patriarch being his usual Pillar of Wisdom and Insight.

"She didn't quite seem as into that idea as skydiving, so I'm wondering why they bothered going?"

Answer: because TLC, in all it's 'reality' wisdom, decided gun shooting would be an activity with which the Duggar fan base would identify.

Lola said...

So the Duggars won't even use birth control because it might cause a miscarriage. Every baby is a gift but they are okay with having a loaded gun for personal protection against someone who might rob them? When does life become disposable to them? A loaded gun poses much more risk to the family in the home because of accidents.

Anonymous said...

You could tell Jessa had an awesome time skydiving and it was fun to watch. It was sweet that she wanted her mom to go too. While she did a good job at the shooting range, I'm not so sure it was even her idea to go, but an answer of sorts to those critical of the picture Amy posted. Also, why would a family take all those little children to a shooting range? Seems kind of pointless to me.

Little Josie looks great!

Anonymous said...

I forgot to add.....why are they letting a 10 year old shoot a handgun? Under what circumstances is he going to have access to one and what kind of situation would he be in that he would need one? That was extremely disturbing to me.

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Mr. Duggar said why the children were shooting guns. He said the children were going to see them and run across them and needed to know how to handle them.

My father made sure we knew how to handle and shoot guns so we would be safe around them when we found one in another persons home on the streets. Shooting a gun and feeling it's power kick ect. definitively makes one realize it isn't a toy and realize that one has to respect the power of the gun and that safety rules needed to be followed.

Anonymous said...

Why would an eight year old need to handle a gun if he came across one? Wouldn't it be much better to get an adult to handle such a thing? To me, 8 year old + gun = tragedy.

msrylee said...

I really wonder how Jessa felt on her 18th. birthday, waiting for her mom to take a pregnancy test. I totally understand that a pregnant woman shouldn't skydive, but the viewers would never have had to know about the test.

Was this episode truly about Jessa or her mom? It really bothers me that either Michelle or JimBob trump their blessings' special events.

Anonymous said...

Yes, just what every normal young woman wants for her 18th b'day: a trip to the shooting range (on camera yet) coupled with her mother making the day about the possibility of pregnancy #21, also on camera.

Michelle said...

I almost fell out of my chair when I saw Michelle cooking breakfast! It was great to see Jessa and Michelle skydive though, I don't have the guts! Josie looks great too! Jessa is my favorite Duggar.

Anonymous said...

"Why would an eight year old need to handle a gun if he came across one? Wouldn't it be much better to get an adult to handle such a thing? To me, 8 year old + gun = tragedy"

But that's exactly the point. A case can be made that if an 8 year old knows how a gun should be handled and proper safety rules, a tragedy can be averted. If an 8-year old who's never seen a gun or touched one comes across one, then curiosity and ignorance are going to factor in, and a tragedy could more easily occur.

Of course it's somewhat unlikely that kids that age should come across a gun, but sometimes they do, i.e., at a friend's home, etc. I think JimBob was saying that if in fact that should happen, he wants his kids to know what a gun can do, have a healthy fear of it, not to touch it, don't point it at anyone, etc. A child who's never seen or touched a gun before under proper supervision, wouldn't know any of those things...sounds dangerous to me.

Allison said...

Why would an eight year old need to handle a gun if he came across one? Wouldn't it be much better to get an adult to handle such a thing? To me, 8 year old + gun = tragedy.

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A lot of kids are curious. They might encourage their children to get an adult, but that doesn't mean a child shouldn't understand how dangerous guns are. There have been a lot of tragedies involving children and guns because they are curious. Supervised instructions actually might make more sense to some people. At least they did it at a shooting range with professionals instead of taking them out back with their hunting rifle and tin cans.

Cyn said...

At least they did it at a shooting range with professionals instead of taking them out back with their hunting rifle and tin cans.

Which is more in line with what I would have actually expected out of the Duggars. Most gun owners that I personally know, don't have the money for shooting range target practice. That's the backyard or some friend of a friends lower 40, a row of cans, glass bottles, or homemade targets and a box of shells or bullets.

I would bet money on the Bates learning to shoot anywhere other than a shooting range.

Sharla said...

- 1.616 million viewers
- 1.1/2 HH
- 0.6/2 A18-49

Anonymous said...

But I didn't see that Jason (?) was being taught gun safety...he was practicing how to shoot a gun. An eight year old doesn't need to practice shooting a handgun. There should be no circumstance where he should need to shoot one. None.

Anonymous said...

I've been thinking recently about what is going to happen to this family in 5 or 6 years when the oldest 4 girls aren't living at home anymore. Even if Jim Bob and Michelle stopped having children now, there would still be a 6 year old, 7 year old, 8 year old, and so on and many more older children to clean up after, cook for, etc.

Do you think the boys are going to have to pick up the slack? I think keeping a house, even if only of 10, is still a ton of work for Michelle and Joy to do alone.

I'm endlessly amazed at how these girls are forced to be mothers from such a young age. For a family that is so apposed to people having children out of wedlock, these girls lives feel so similar to just that-- being young, single mothers.

Anonymous said...

I don't understand what the fuss is about the shooting range. I think everything Jim Bob said was insightful and would prevent an accident rather than cause one. Children need to understand that guns aren't toys, but rather dangerous, yet useful tools. I think this trip explained that perfectly.

As for Jessa doing this for her birthday, I got the feeling the family was planning on doing it anyways, so why not take her special day to do something else that could be different and fun. She got to do what she really wanted which was sky diving, too.

I'm not often a fan of the choices this family make, but as far as this one I don't see what the problem is at all.

Anonymous said...

"There should be no circumstance where he should need to shoot one. None."

It isn't necessarily that he would need to shoot one, but that it's beneficial for him to know what a gun does, how it works, and to have a healthy respect for them, so that *if* he comes across one, he knows not to play with it, and doesn't even have the desire to, because curiosity and ignorance aren't there. Also, just because there *shouldn't* be a situation where he'd need to shoot a gun doesn't mean there absolutely won't be. We live in an uncertain world.

Just because we didn't see him being taught safety rules doesn't mean he wasn't...JimBob stated clearly that he wanted all his kids to know how to safely handle guns and to know and follow the safety rules associated with them. So we know he and the other Duggar kids are being taught these rules, regardless of whether we're seeing it caught on film or not.

Anonymous said...

JMO, but it just seems so odd that there are so many 'thou shalt nots' (including a simple premarital KISS) in Duggar World, but guns are A-OK.

Anonymous said...

We don't know if it's Michelle drawing attention to herself during the episode or if it's TLC doing it...Michelle was just answering questions posed to her about "are you pregnant, would you jump if you were pregnant, etc."

Seemed to me like it was TLC's doing bringing it up throughout the episode and posting it as part of the episode's teaser. Most likely Michelle would have been content to not bring the subject up, but as usual, Michelle's pregnancy status is a constant source of curiosity for many people - and they ask her.

Anonymous said...

Josie looks very healthy. I hope she can be off oxygen soon. I am also glad she was allowed to join the family on the skydiving outing, however, I can't say that would have been the place I chose to take her.

I live in Texas so gun ranges and shooting is not unusual however, I am surprised that the young children were not only allowed to go to the range but also allowed to shoot. Being that it's Arkansas I am not sure of the laws there so maybe that's allowed but I am surprised that the Duggars took the younger children along for this outing. But I am glad that they went to a range and learned safety. Most of us in the South never go to a range. Our gun classes are attended in the closest open field.

I wonder though if this is REALLY how Jessa chose to spend her 18th birthday. It's funny one of her little brothers (not sure of the name, maybe one of the twins) looks identical to Jessa in an older picture of her.

I am glad the show is back because I am a fan but I do hope this season shows some growth in the family and I don't just mean in numbers.

MOM IN TEXAS

CappuccinoLife said...

JMO, but it just seems so odd that there are so many 'thou shalt nots' (including a simple premarital KISS) in Duggar World, but guns are A-OK.

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Well....they believe sex outside of marriage is wrong. Thus the preventative rules.

They do not believe hunting or self-defense is wrong, thus the lack of gun prohibition. Being OK with guns is not something exclusive to the Duggars beliefs. I know a couple of young single radical feminists who are a-religious and hold liberal politics--who have been going to a shooting range and learning how to use a handgun for self-defense purpuses.

Anonymous said...

I feel Duggars going to the gun range was a message to the public: "we have heat and we know how to use it".. This was a security measure by Jim Bob.

Anonymous said...

It seems likely IMO that encouraging kids in the direction of gun possession and use can be more of a Duggar 'occasion of sin' (insurmountable temptation) with far more dire consequences (injury/death) than the 'defrauding' the Duggars consider women wearing shorts and swimsuits to be.

"Impure" thoughts vs. physical harm to another .... which is worse, Mr. and Mrs. Duggar?

Anonymous said...

It seems a stretch that the Duggar kids would need a gun for self defense purposes, as even the adult Duggars are rarely allowed off the Duggar compound.

Anonymous said...

Michelle seems to have a lot of the attention on every show. If she is not soliciting it regarding her pregnancy, Jim Bob certainly does. It is almost a Russian Roulette thing. Doing everything they can to conceive and then have the nerve to go on National Television expressing that it is a little scary that Michelle might become pregnant.

Where I come from that man would be considered a "fool".

Anonymous said...

I guess Jim Bob figures that the old Police car outside their home was not enough to scare away a would be security threat. the new message is we're all packing! A ten year old with a gun should do it!

Allison said...

Doing everything they can to conceive and then have the nerve to go on National Television expressing that it is a little scary that Michelle might become pregnant.

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Doing "everything they can" would involve things like fertility treatments or having sex only during ovulation. They are just having sex without birth control. They are not *trying* to get pregnant, they are just doing what they always have done because that's what they believe in. I think the reason Michelle isn't already pregnant (because it's been over 1 year since Josie was born) is because they probably are not having sex as often as they were due to the demands of Josie. So I don't know why anyone would think they're doing something extra crazy. They're just as crazy as they've always been.

Anonymous said...

"I guess Jim Bob figures that the old Police car outside their home was not enough to scare away a would be security threat. the new message is we're all packing! A ten year old with a gun should do it!"

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A parked, old police car = Duggar idea of an el cheapo home security system? Seriously?

Why not, then, also have the kids draw a big picture of a big dog and place it at the front door?

Oooh, scary! Burglars Beware, these people have police on premises, a big dog, AND they train up their kids to pack heat.

Anonymous said...

Maybe they wouldn't need so much "security" is they hadn't blatantly showed every aspect of their children's lives on national television. As relative unknowns, even with a big family, there would have been no need to have police presence and guns protecting them.

They sold their family. Plain and simple. I hope no whacko comes to try to kidnap the girls.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Duggar said why the children were shooting guns. He said the children were going to see them and run across them and needed to know how to handle them.
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A part of being a responsible adult gun owner is that you keep your guns under lock and key, except for when you are using them. If an 8-year old is going to "run across" a gun in the Duggar household, then it's time for Mr. Duggar to seriously review his gun safety policies.

If parents have a gun or guns in the home, I think the most valuable, important lessons are
1. Keep those guns secure under lock and key.
2. When they are not under lock and key, you (the adult parent) be present at all times;
3. If for some reason, you the responsible adult, have left a gun unsecured in your home and your 8-year "runs across it," that child should know to immediately go in search of the nearest adult to tell them about the situation. The child should also be taught not to handle the firearm.

As to handling firearms at a young age, if they must, a child should know how to hold it so it points toward the ground, away from them, away from any other person, etc.

With that many little ones in the house, I wouldn't risk having a handgun or rifle unsecured in the home, no matter how many shooting range lessons I'd given my kids.

As to protecting the kids - try not putting their lives on national tv. That ought to go a long way to protect from stalkers. (just a thought)

Celestie said...

Since they are living in a gun oriented society, I think it is fine that the kids are learning gun safety.
Was kinda taken aback when Jim Bob pointed his finger at Jessa in a bang bang manner, as if he were shooting her.

Yay for Michelle, making scrabble eggs on camera. Now we know she can move a spatula, if only for the camera's benefit.

Sorry note: Jim Bob talking about Jessa being a little girl and "soon, she will be married and have children of her own. Demonstrates how little other opportunities are available to the girls. Most dads I know would say, look at when she was a little girls, now the next thing you know she will be going to college or getting her own apartment, or starting her own life. He in effect said, her choice is to get married and have kids.

Hooray for Michelle for sky diving. Boo for all pregnancy talk. I understand she was not pregnant at the time of the skydive, so why discuss it?
Wonder if they moved the start of the season up, because she is pregnant now, and they wanted to get a couple of not pregnant shows under their belts before she began to show.

Allison said...

"I guess Jim Bob figures that the old Police car outside their home was not enough to scare away a would be security threat. the new message is we're all packing! A ten year old with a gun should do it!" --- That police car was heresay from somebody who lives in their neighborhood. We have no idea if the family has a security system set up in their house. The whole notion they don't have a system set up is pure speculation. Has it ever been filmed on TV? If not, you don't know it's true. They also never said that the children would run across a gun in the Duggar household. He just said "run across." That could be anywhere. Jim Bob and Michelle thought it was something they should know about.

Patter Of Product Placement said...

"So Michelle has taken over 50 pregnancy tests?"

$$$$$$$$$

Maybe EPT should be included in the show's product placement, you know, just casually set the box on the kitchen counter.
Do they buy them in bulk from Sam's Club?

Anonymous said...

I was the person who reported about the police car out front. As of a few days ago, it is still there. It's not directly in front of their house, its a little off to the side, close to the road. I have no idea what the purpose is, I just speculated that it was for security reasons because it seems to be on display in my opinion. The first time I saw it, I thought it was an actual officer, but it is just an empty car.

i-like-pie said...

I don't think it's that unusual that Michelle has taken 50 pregnancy tests in her lifetime.

I've taken 5 in the last year, due to the fact that I went off of the birth control pill and I need to check if I am pregnant before eating sushi, going skiing, or whatever.

For Michelle, 50 tests is not absurd, considering the number of years she has gone without birth control and the number of pregnancies she has experienced.

Anonymous said...

We really have no idea how often the adult Duggars get away from the home. I am sure they are involved in many more activities than are portrayed on the show. Although they are on reality tv the older Duggars seem to try and maintain their privacy.

On a different note I do not understand why TLC wants so badly to involve the Duggars in the gun debate. Pro gun or not I really don't see Jim Bob waking up and saying I think I'll take about 15 kids to the shooting range.

Perhaps we should keep in mind that reality or not it is a still tv show and made by TLC to either be entertaining or controversial.

Budget Confidential said...

I applaud Jim Bob for teaching his kids about gun safety. Many people use guns for entertainment (target practice), protection, and hunting. Even if the Duggars, themselves, didn't have guns in their home (which they have every right to have, I might add), the kids could encounter guns elsewhere. Many kids die each year because they were not taught gun safety and respect and later come across a gun at home, at a friend's, or at a relative's.

The Duggars have every right to own guns, but they also have an obligation to teach their kids about gun safety. It looks like this is being done. All in all, I would say this was a good episode.

Anonymous said...

Re: today's internet article about The Patriarch justifying the gun photos:

If I fed my family SQUIRREL, that would be my biggest secret, especially when I was raking in the TLC $$$$.

Jeb Clampett or JimBob Duggar - you decide.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Duggar, in rationalizing the gun photos of his sons reminded us that gun ownership is a constitutional right.

Mr. Duggar, so is alcohol purchase by adults and abortion.

Taryn said...

So pants are not acceptable for a job, but put them on and strap a strange man to your back and that's ok??? Do they just make up the rules and change them as they go?

Joy said...

I thought this was a great episode. I loved seeing the family do unique and fun things together. Jessa is so pretty and always seems calm and up for everything.

I'm not a gun fan (or against guns) or anything and we don't have them in our home but I understand Jim Bob's perspective since he was robbed at gun point. I think that can shade your view on guns in a different light. I like that they're teaching their kids guns safety but still keeping their guns in safe places so little hands can't get to them.

Anonymous said...

"So pants are not acceptable for a job, but put them on and strap a strange man to your back and that's ok??? Do they just make up the rules and change them as they go?
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My thoughts exactly. I cannot imagine what kind of values this family has if it won't even allow a mother to hug her son in a normal full frontal hug, or allow their daughters to wear pants, but will allow the daughters to wear pants and do a tandem jump with a strange man, literally attached to her, with all privates touching....

It just boggles the mind.

Allison said...

I cannot imagine what kind of values this family has if it won't even allow a mother to hug her son in a normal full frontal hug,

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In what episode do they say that Michelle can't hug her sons with a full-frontal hug? I've never heard that mentioned. Are people just assuming that because they've never seen it or has Michelle actually said that?

I know that they have made exceptions on clothes before (the girls wore shorts during that waterball ride at Pigeon Ford - don't recall the name - and the firefighters outfits) but that standard everyday clothing is to wear skirts whenever possible.

As for riding tandem with a guy? Yeah, I guess it was because "they had to"? I dunno. It wasn't in a romantic context so maybe that's what makes it OK.

Skydiving NIKE! said...

Pants aren't worn in a romantic context, and neither are modest one piece bathing suits (as opposed to their ridiculous "modestwear").

And yet there is something apparently very NIKE about a Duggar girl in a pair of pants.

I simply cannot imagine anything MORE NIKE than that guy had strapped with his privates touching gorgeous Jessa. I mean, could there be anything more NIKE? Talk about feelings of arousal, or being too close or any of the things they worry about.

I would worry about that and I don't purport to have modest ways like they do.

To be consistent, this family would have to say, No Skydiving Period, because even being strapped to a brother is too NIKE.

It's called Just Say No and retain your consistency and values.

Anonymous said...

I honestly think the Duggars cannot win this one. If they refused skydiving, or volunteer firefighting, because it involves a temporary wearing of pants, people would be complaining that they are too rigid and inflexible, and totally unrealistic, depriving their children of life experiences, etc.

I don't see that their values are inconsistent. Their value is that they feel the girls/women in their family should wear skirts whenever possible. And they do. But sometimes it isn't possible and they don't make a big deal about it or let it unduly restrict their lives. Where's the inconsistency?

Having a guy strapped to you while you skydive falls into the same category. If you want to skydive, that's the deal. It's not a sexual or romantic context at all, just part of the deal. When you're freefalling out of a plane at 500mph I somehow doubt Jessa was thinking about the human contact of the guy at her back, with several layers of thick clothing between them. Or that the guy was having a NIKE moment himself - there's just so many thick layers of material and other equipment involved.

It isn't any different than when one of the Duggars has to receive medical care from someone of the opposite gender, and have their body exposed and/or touched by them (as in Michelle's recent incidents with her pre-eclampsia and emergency c-section). It's just part of the deal and sometimes necessary, and it doesn't make the Duggars' values "inconsistent" when they accept medical care from a doctor of the opposite gender.

Likewise, I don't see any inconsistency when they participate in other legitimate activities that require something similar, or require the wearing of pants.

On a related note, the Duggars have never said the parents can't frontal hug their children of the opposite gender. I think this must be speculation.

Allison said...

Pants aren't worn in a romantic context, and neither are modest one piece bathing suits (as opposed to their ridiculous "modestwear").

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I just meant that skydiving tandem doesn't have the same romantic undertones as hugging or kissing. I won't get into the bathing suit issue because that has been hashed to death I think. They also don't say that pants are "Nike" at all. Michelle has just said that it was a conviction to wear skirts, and not pants, and from what I've read of other women who do it, it's to maintain femininity and a separation between men and women in the way they dress. Jim Bob has also said that an Old Testament passage equated thighs with "nakedness" and so that's why their skirts are fairly long. It's not the same as wearing a cleavage-baring shirt.

I just wanted to clarify that I meant that riding tandem was not necessarily a "romantic" situation.

Cyn said...

The amount of padding between the two people.... Jessa (as no one seamed to notice) looked like an skinny snowman so did the guy she was attached to.

"Nike" is for inappropriately dressed males or females in a sexual manner; being strapped to the front of a snowman flying/ falling through the air is not.

What actually strikes me as funny, is we are calling more attention to it than the Duggars ever have, or would have.

People say the Duggars act holier than thou, when in truth people hold them to a higher standard than they themselves ever claimed to have. The Duggars bend like a willow tree, but they aren't breaking at the roots.

Personally I think Michelle said it best when she was describing her daily goal chart. "to actually complete everything on this list would be a miracle, but at least we have a goal, and we know where we are going". It seems to me that's how they live their lives, "this is our goal, and this is how we are getting there."

Anonymous said...

IF the Duggars would stop making such a big deal of their 'conservative family values' and their 'modesty,' and premarital 'purity', we would not be having this sky diving conversation at all.

As with so many things the Duggars preach, the Duggars themselves make it abundantly clear they consider anyone with differing beliefs as a threat to Duggar morality, thus they homeschool and keep their kids insulated from all reality so as not to be tainted by the rest of us (sinners) in the real world.

This Duggar attitude, by my definition, qualifies as self righteousness.

But then again, JMO.

Kitten said...

Just to clear one thing up - those skydiving jumpsuits are NOT made of THICK layers of material. They are made of lightweight nylon and are worn over your regular clothing. There is no padding except in the "wings" attached to the sleeves and legs, which aren't between you and the instructor. So the thickness of the clothing between Jessa and the instructor depends on what both of them were wearing underneath their jumpsuits.

As to whether Jessa was "aware" of the instructor - even as a long-married adult, I was very aware of being strapped snugly together, although I was amused, rather than aroused, but then, I had been married for years, so it wasn't exactly a novelty for me.

While you are still in the plane, it is a "tight fit," as you might say, as you are sitting front to back with his legs around yours. In our case, we were also sitting with two long rows of people doing tandem jumps, so my legs were around the guy in front of me, and so on. Since TLC was paying the bills, it looked like they had the plane all to themselves, so that situation didn't come up.

All I can say about the awareness thing is that the young women jumping in our group were all hoping to get the "cute" instructors as their partners, and I don't think it was just because they wanted good-looking jump photos. :>

Hey, maybe it was all just JimBob and Michelle's way of "encouraging" Jessa to think about courtship and marriage. LOL...

Budget Confidential said...

I am way too chicken to skydive. But if I ever did, especially the first time, I don't think my thoughts as I was free-falling from thousands of feet up would be the hot guy strapped to me. I think it is pretty safe to assume Jessa and Michelle were way more focused on other things... like staying alive! And assuming the instructors were professionals, which I have no doubt they are, then their thoughts are likely on making sure they execute the jump successfully so no one gets hurt.

Anonymous said...

Hey, maybe it was all just JimBob and Michelle's way of "encouraging" Jessa to think about courtship and marriage. LOL...
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Yes, maybe the close presence of a living breathing male will make little Jessa realize what else there is in the world besides diapers and bottles and cooking and laundry and bible study. Take the other girls with you next time, Jessa. I hope you all find a cute guy to tandem dive with!

Cyn said...

IF the Duggars would stop making such a big deal of their 'conservative family values' and their 'modesty,' and premarital 'purity', we would not be having this sky diving conversation at all.


They discussed the modesty things roughly once a year usually when asked a question by the guys behind the camera,(now starting the 6th season?) TLC brings it up every time they can, so do the blogs and posters. Thanks to links provided to my by others on this blog my kids will be in the wholesome wear this summer as well... because over all it's cheaper than cancer treatments later.

They discussed dating, and premarital issues in 2 possibly 3 episodes back when Josh got married. TLC and the blogs, and posters on the other hand bring it up every other week it seems like. They have never said anything about the side hugs, but speculation runs rampant through the blogs as to why they do some hugs that way. The fact that BOTH types of hugs has been seen seems to get lost in the retelling of the side hugs. (Last time TLC showed Michelle giving her kids full face to face hugs it was suggested that TLC only filmed them to quiet the blogs)

I have noticed both sides of the aisle seem to take one statement from the Duggars and use it over and over again to prove a point, but what we have done in the process is make it appear as though the Duggars are harping on it constantly. I said both sides cause I myself am guilty of the same thing.

I still like the willow tree analogy, a willow tree bends in the wind a really strong wind and the tree seems to touch the ground, but the trunk and roots are deeply seated and are not effected... at least not yet. Nothing the Duggars have done, or not done has strayed from the core values they profess and follow; sometimes the execution appears to be lacking, but they are headed towards the goal. (They keep telling us they aren't perfect, its us (the fans and the detractors) that keep saying they are or should be...

Just my 2 cents.

Cyn said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecpd8bSeNvM

He looks like a snowman, and Jessa at the legs and arms looks skinny but it looks like she has extra layers on under the middle as well, So does Michelle.

Anonymous said...

I've been tandem skydiving before, and as was the case with Michelle and Jessa, my instructor was a guy. Yeah, we were attached pretty closely, but I didn't feel my instructor, if you get my drift. You can't feel much between all those layers, and honestly, when you're jumping out of a plane, it's the last thing you've got on your mind. LOL.

Anonymous said...

"... they keep telling us they aren't perfect..."

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For the Duggars to state 'we are imperfect' is meaningless, considering they view those of us outside their specific religious beliefs as such a threat to Duggar morality that they home school and do all they can to keep exposure to us as small as possible. Actions speak louder than words - the Duggars cloistering their kids as they do tells the true tale of how the Duggars view the rest of us.

Further, their entire brand is built on those 'conservative family values' of modesty, purity, debt-free (as if that's always, by definition, the best way to go), and, of course, 'letting god decide', so not sure how much louder the Duggars have to shout about these topics than every single episode of their show already does to one extent or another.

To blame TLC and the blogs for the Duggar attitude about the larger world is nonsensical, IMHO.

Anonymous said...

Very well said Cyn, I agree completely. It's all of us that harp and blog constantly that bring stuff up, not the Duggars. They answer questions when they are asked them, I don't think they are constantly getting on soapboxes and looking for opportunites to shove their beliefs down people's throats. They're pretty low-key about it for the most part. Josh is the exception to this though. He does take opportunities to blare stuff, I've noticed.

mitzimoo said...

Regarding the side hugs vs. frontal hugs, I believe I read it as Gothard Rules; adolescent boys are "weak." Gothard seems to think that their own mother (not to mention sisters) could sexually arouse them.

Freaky strange, but dem's the rules. Girl on girl hugging rules appear to be a bit more lenient, but I notice that the Duggar and Bates girls tend toward the sidehugs, while their mothers, as married women, can "go frontal."

Married men also seem to side hug women and girls, married or not, but can give other married men the "manhug," you know the one with the fist pound on the other guy's back sort of thing.

I don't know why, but once I became aware these rules existed, I've been near-obsessed observing these rules amongst the Duggars and their like-minded ilk.

Anonymous said...

"Regarding the side hugs vs. frontal hugs, I believe I read it as Gothard Rules; adolescent boys are "weak." Gothard seems to think that their own mother (not to mention sisters) could sexually arouse them.

Freaky strange, but dem's the rules..."

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It's puzzling to me how/why anyone is willing to follow a man who preaches this kind of silliness.

Yes, teens of both genders are hormonal. But to consider 'teen boys weak' insults and under estimates. Since Gothard considers us humans created by god in his own image and likeness, what sense does it then make to believe god made us so pathetically flawed that hugging our own family may 'arouse' us?

This unmarried man who has no children of his own is the LAST person anyone can look to for wisdom.

The Duggars go down in my view for holding Gothard-like views and being so proud of following even the most nonsensical of this man's belief system.

Add to this that the Duggars, though fully on board with Gothard- and Quiverful-like preachings, pretend to have no affiliation with these mindsets, most likely because TLC fears open affiliation would these groups would prove too controversial to win tv viewers. I find this to be Duggar dishonesty.

ann k. said...

I live/grew up in Arkansas, and we do side hugs with our male family and with male friends. I never thought it was weird until it was pointed out here. It's just kind of awkward to hug my father-in-law front to front. But I've noticed I have no problem hugging my mother- in-law front to front. And women also do the side hug when we don't know each other quite as well... like an acquaintance. I guess I've never really thought of "why" we do the side hug, it's just what naturally happens when we hug. Although actually, now that I think about it, I do recall a time in youth group when the girls were told not to hug boys front to front because it wasn't appropriate. So, who knows. But it's not just a weirdo-Duggar thing. It's a cultural thing.

oh, and I hug my son front to front. It is just plain creepy to think a son would be aroused from a momma's hug. Come on, Gothard! Mind out of the gutter, please! (I'm starting to think he had a WEIRD attachment to his mother)

msrylee said...

My late mother said "You can't make sense out of nonsense." I agree with her statement. I will never understand why anyone would follow a single man with no children either. How does his lack of experience with both a wife and blessings qualify him to lead so many families?

Anonymous said...

"...it's just plain creepy to think a son would be aroused from a momma's hug. Come on, Gothard! Mind out of the gutter, please! (I'm starting to think he had a WEIRD attachment to his mother)"

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With the absolute overkill about all things sexual with the Duggars (modesty in dress/swimwear, cutesy words like 'under clothing' rather than 'bra and panties' or 'boxer shorts/briefs), "NIKE!", and, of course the forbidden premarital kiss, not to mention nineteen kids), I have wondered a similar thing about Gothard-types: do they have some kind of sexual addiction and, so, assume everyone else also seeks/experiences arousals in even the most innocuously UNsexual situations?

Anonymous said...

Is it a verifiable fact that this "side-hugging" thing is a Gothard teaching and that the Duggars follow it? I've never heard them say anything about it. We have no idea what their rules or thoughts are about mother/son hugs if we haven't heard them talk about it. Unless I missed something, this is a lot of assuming and speculating.

Anonymous said...

I am not sure if the side hug thing is Gothard or not. I remember when Anna and Josh got engaged that they stood up and side hugged. ODD. If anything that would be an appropriate time to front hug. They never hugged, on the front, during the time of engagement that I saw. I would almost assume it is Gothard or someother form of conservative thinking, for that to be automatic between two differant families.

Allison said...

I am not sure if the side hug thing is Gothard or not.

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Side hugging is *not* a Gothard thing, but it is a fundamentalist Christian thing. There are a lot of conservative Christian groups that do not engage in sidehugging or premarital kissing, and encourage courtship and the like (Josh Harris's book "I Kissed Dating Goodbye" is a good example).

A lot of Christian groups consider men to be "weak" in sexuality. Many of them encourage girls to dress more modestly and to not spend too much one-on-one time together behind closed doors, that sort of thing. It's not just a Gothard ideology, though I'm not saying that this doesn't mean they aren't subscribers of the Gothard "way of life." I'm just saying that this definitely goes beyond just Gothard weirdness.

Anonymous said...

"We have no idea what their rules or thoughts are about mother/son hugs if we haven't heard them talk about it. Unless I missed something, this is a lot of assuming and speculating."

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And speculation/debate is exactly the goal of these 'reality' shows. Controvery and its subsequent speculation and debate are the fuels that maintain the very life of 'reality' shows.

If the Duggars object to this kind of scrutiny and speculation, they need to get themselves off tv.

Observation, speculation, and, yes, even criticism, all go with the turf of signing one's family on for a 'reality' show.

The Duggar kids can blame no one but their parents, most likely The Patriarch, for putting them under such a public microscope.

Obvious with the Duggars resigning TLC contracts year after year, the $ and fame make the resultant speculation and criticism a good bargain by Duggar standards.

The Duggars and only the Duggars are responsible for being in the public arena. If the Duggars can't stand the heat, they need to remove themselves from the kitchen. It's a simple choice, really. Even for the likes of Jimb Bob Duggar.

Anonymous said...

re: the 'men are weak' mentality:

Often the corollary to this is 'women are temptresses', and Eve tempting the weak Adam is the example most often given.

JMO, but I believe that, by going along with this mindset, the Duggars insult and under estimate both genders.

msrylee said...

Anon 1206h. I totally agree with you. I was raised in a strict fundie home and church setting, and both sexes are blamed for the Nike temptations and defrauding of opposite genders. After testing the belief system I had, I no longer hold to several of the 'doctrinal' issues.