Free Discussion May 2011

Please use this for Duggar sightings, speculation, or general discussion. Note that this is Duggar discussion not other families, TV shows, or personal stories. Thank you!

117 comments:

Reality TV Junkie said...

Does anyone know when the new season of 19 kids and counting is strarting?

hart&sole said...

Perhaps when people tire of the Gosselins? I'm already tired since it should be called, 'All About Kate.' I wish TLC would bring the Duggars back with an hour program instead of their mangled half hour shows, unless TLC is deliberately undermining, '19 Kids and Counting.' Hopefully that is not the case.

ennvee said...

Well, they have to have it on by early June, because you know Josh is getting paid by TLC to show M2 being born. Mack came early, so the crew has to be ready; interestingly they were at the Arkansas apt. while the rest of the Duggars were in Big Sandy last time around.

This time around, depending on who is taken on the book signing tour, Jim Bob and Michelle, being contractually bound to Barnes and Noble, might not be able to get back to AR if M2 is born before June 12 (a week before his due date). Still not sure how many kids, if any, are going on the book tour sine it only had Jim Bob's and Michelle's pictures on the website and not the usual group shot.

Does anyone have any intel about M2's name? Mackynzie's name was announced well before her birth; the shower was about a month before Mack's birth, which was two weeks early. By that calender, the shower should be a couple weeks away and they *should* have a name, if they're keeping precedent (and if they're filming the shower, my bet is they have a name).

Locals! Keep an eye out at the local bakery a couple Saturdays from now. :D

hart&sole said...

Right now I am kind of fond of Michael James, named for both Josh and Anna's fathers, and for Michelle, too. Anybody else have a favorite?

sandi said...

I think Makai or Mackai would be cute.It's a biblical name and would match Mackynzie's name somewhat.

hart&sole said...

I'm old, so I'm not much into Biblical names except for maybe Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Peter...Malachi, or Michah, not so much. In the end it will be up to Josh and Anna, of course. 'Mackynzie' sort of surprised me, but I really like it. Every day I learn something new. Makai is a Hebrew variant of Michael meaning,'Who resembles God.'

Cyn said...

Have they said they were going to keep the m's? Please tell me they haven't, and they will be like if nothing else the Bates and give different kids different letters....

Reality TV Junkie said...

I'm just really hoping that Josh and Anna don't stick with the one letter trend.

Religilicious said...

"Have they said they were going to keep the m's? Please tell me they haven't, and they will be like if nothing else the Bates and give different kids different letters...."

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Amen and Alleluiah - I agree! ENOUGH with the cutesy-wutesy all-have-the-same-first-initial idea.

Since the Duggars have so few opportunities to find and flex their individual identities, at least allow them to have a separate and distinct first name.

Kit said...

But, but...how will Josh ever remember all his children's names if they don't start with the same letter? I'm pretty sure Jim-Bob wouldn't make it halfway through the list if he didn't have "J" as the clue.

LOL...geez...

ennvee said...

I thought either Josh or Anna publicly confirmed (maybe the last Today Show appearance?) that they were planning to keep up the M's. It could have been on the show, but I am about 98% certain I heard it confirmed from the source.

roddma said...

Interesting there's an article on Examiner which talks about College plus thing the Duggars are doing. If you read the comment section, a few say it isn't accredited and doesn't offer real degrees. There is no Nursing program or Political Science major. It seems to be only a type of Christian prep course for transferal to an accredited college and not an actual college as some believed. I am trying to find more info.

Sharla said...

College Plus! appears to me to be nothing but an expensive, glorified counseling program. They help plan a program based on CLEP and other college credit tests to get as much of the first two years out of the way without attending an actual classroom. All of that information is available free for anyone with the tiny amount of ambition needed to go online and research it. The study guides are in bookstores and most public libraries. They then help the students select real college classes to complete their degrees. College catelogs and the college counselors do that at no cost when you enroll.

Students who go to regular high schools usually do something similar with AP and IB exams.

Religilicious said...

re: Proposed Name for next Duggar baby AND the tv program:

I vote for "OMEGA".

The End.

hart&sole said...

Hopefully they haven't announced a name because they are still undecided about staying with the 'M.' However, yes, they did say they plan to stick with the letter 'M.'

sandi said...

Micah would be a nice biblical name as well.Will be interesting to see what they decide on.Guess we'll have to wait for now.

ennvee said...

Re: College Plus!

The research I did into it (their site provided the information, if one is intelligent enough to discern it) was exactly as Sharla presented; it's a for-profit "counseling" program for parents who are reluctant to allow their (presumably impressionable, Christian) children the freedom of attending either a community college offering the same courses, in real classrooms, or attending a four-year school (in all cases, accredited) from the get-go.

Frankly, I have zero respect for programs of any stripe that prey on the fears of a group to extract money from them, when the same services can be had for next to nothing elsewhere. My parents were equally fleeced by a "Christian" lawyer who handed out business cards in their church.

Hence, my very strong opinions about this program and the Gothard version, which is even worse in terms of content, but about equal cash output for the unsuspecting parents, especially those who never attended college themselves.

Religilicious said...

re: a TLC-sponsored Gosselin/Duggar "Parentable" blog:

WHY would anyone seek wisdom and parenting pointers from either of these two tv moms?????

One teaches by example to be insensitive, narcissistic and entitled.

The other teaches sons to believe they are ethically weak ("Nike!") yet should have control over women (patriarch) and teaches daughters to be lifelong subservient, uneducated little girls.

Conception and delivery of a human being does NOT make a woman an expert mom, no matter how many fruits of the womb have arrived. I can't think of two better examples than Kate and Michelle to prove that point.

"Parentables": what a joke. Just a putting-out-to-pasture for fading 'reality' characters.

Allison said...

Did anyone see that Michelle contributed to the latest Time magazine issue on the 2011 Time 100? She wrote about Heidi Murkoff, the woman who wrote What to Expect When You're Expecting.

Just thought that was interesting.

Sharla said...

Anna's youngest sister appears to be living a fairly normal life. Her latest facebook picture shows her in shorts and possibly having a boyfriend. The Kellers seem to have allowed their children to find their own path without disowning any of them.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

It it ends up being a girl I think Mertle will be a good name and for a boy I think Melchizedeck would be just fine.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

By the way Melchizedeck is a name of a high priest in the Old Testament. I think this family likes Biblical names. In keeping with Biblical names maybe Mary would be a good one for a girl.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Mordecai, the uncle of Esther of the Bible may be another good name if it is a boy.

Religilicious said...

Why not "Montezuma"?

Delta88 said...

How about Mt. McKinley or Montana or Moussaka? There are no end to wonderful "M" names!

roddma said...

"The Kellers seem to have allowed their children to find their own path without disowning any of them."
I hear different things on this manner. Didn't the Kellers shunned one of the son-in-laws. One of the Keller son-in-laws wrote the 'Insights from an Insider' post on here so it is perhaps the 'shunned' one. I have read too much on these beliefs which makes me doubt they let her leave but I could be wrong. If they are allowed her to leave, then they aren't as strict as the Duggars. I thought they were more liberal until Anna's dad mentioned the transferal of authority. I dont know what the deal is with the 'shunning'. It is just speculation.

Religilicious said...

"Moussaka" is great!

Let's add "Morpheus" to the list of possibles.....

SuzanneDeAZ said...

My husband suggested Meshach.

Religilicious said...

Interesting that no one has yet proposed "Michelle" in honor of her paternal grandmother....

ennvee said...

Seeing that the kid is a boy, he'd have some serious gender issues in their circles if they named him after Josh's mother! :D

My vote is for Minnetonka.

Lynette said...

I know a lot of people who have kids with same letter names. None of them have as many kids as the Duggars though!!

Allison said...

Michael is the male version of Michelle, so perhaps that?

hart&sole said...

Sorry if this turns out to be a repeat, but I was not signed in when I wrote before.

The Duggars, '19 Kids and Counting' will return the week of Memorial Day, according to TLC

Rebecca's husband wrote 'Insights from an Insider' which was very supportive of the Keller clan. He is not being shunned, in fact he, and his family, spent last Thanksgiving with Josh and Anna. Susanna is staying with Rebecca's family in Texas.

As I previously wrote, I think 'Michael James' would nicely cover both grandfathers and Michelle, not that either Josh or Anna has asked my opinion.

Religilicious said...

I think "Darwin Duggar" has a nice ring to it...

ennvee said...

Michael James is what we were going to name our last child (which I miscarried). We liked Michael and both of our fathers' first name was James (although my dad went by his middle name).

In all honesty, I'm on board with this. It would be a nice tribute to the grandfathers, as long as they don't go all Michael Knight (of Project Runway fame) and decide to spell the name "Mychael" to be consistent with the "y" instead of "i" in Mackynzie.

Happy Mother's Day to all the moms! :)

sandi said...

I don't think they would spell Michael with a y as the 2nd letter,as a y denotes,in general,that it is a female name.I could be wrong but I don't think they would consider it.

sandi said...

I think this is the reason Jordyn's name is spelled as it is,instead of Jordan.
I'm guessing that Mackynzie is also spelled as it is for the same reason,instead of Mackenzie.Recall that Michelle even went so far as to correct the name on her cake at Anna's baby shower when the Y was left out of her name and it was spelled another way.

roddma said...

"Rebecca's husband wrote 'Insights from an Insider' which was very supportive of the Keller clan. He is not being shunned, in fact he, and his family, spent last Thanksgiving with Josh and Anna. Susanna is staying with Rebecca's family in Texas."
He defended Mr. Keller and I can't blame him. I think the episode put them in a bad light though the 'transferal of authority' is disturbing. He didn't defend the way they were brought up, though. Susanna spend Thanksgiving with Josh and Anna too.

hart&sole said...

I'm wondering if the 'transfer of authority' phrase was either a request from Jim Bob, or TLC, or both? Someone unused to dealing with either entity, or worse, both, would have a tough time saying 'NO WAY.' and sticking to it. Then imagine, Anna, in love with Josh, begging her father not to 'make waves.' Just a thought.

Cyn said...

Much as I love the Duggars and the Kellers...

The "transfer of authority" from the father to the husband is not a stretch. They believe that until the daughter gets married she is under the protection and authority of the father. Once she gets married these roles are then transferred to the husband.

TLC filmed it because of the issues they knew it would cause, The Duggars and Kellers did it because it's what they believe.

Delta88 said...

I have read a lot about the Gothardian Stay At Home Daughter movement, and "transfer of authority" from father to husband is just the way it is done, whether the daughter is 17 or 35. Even a 35 year old daughter is seen as better off living at home under her father's authority, knitting, making jams, and doing childcare of her parents' children, rather than being independent.

I know that these are the beliefs of the Duggars and Kellers (and Bates and Maxwells, etc), but it is really too bad that NO woman can have any authority over herself, at any age.

I just feel sorry for women that have to be so oppressed (and one can be happily a daughter, and happily a wife, without being under a man's authority).

roddma said...

"They believe that until the daughter gets married she is under the protection and authority of the father. Once she gets married these roles are then transferred to the husband."
It is just a way to control the grown children but I think the boys have a bit more freedom. Josh has traveled alone to Florida but the girls needed chaperons in Chicago. What if her father is deceased and she never gets married?

For some reason, they believe women need protection from the evils in the world. I can't get why so much energy is focused on teaching girls and not boys not to 'defraud' and keeping them out of the world. Maybe there would be no problems if the boys were given equal attention and taught to be respectful gentlemen controlling their own thoughts instead of expecting their sisters to say 'nike'.

Religilicious said...

IMO, it's impossible to respect anyone who goes along with the Gothard/Duggar mindset by so blatantly wasting such incredible feminine potential with these archaic and misogynistic concepts as 'transference of authority'.

I understand why insecure, uneducated men enjoy this set up. But there is absolutely NO long term benefit for females in this arrangement.

IMO, the Duggar belief on this issue is an affront to my entire gender.

And shame on TLC if they actually seek parenting tips (even if only via blog) from a woman who goes along with this idea and participates in squashing the potential of her own daughters.

Cyn said...

For some reason, they believe women need protection from the evils in the world. I can't get why so much energy is focused on teaching girls and not boys not to 'defraud' and keeping them out of the world. Maybe there would be no problems if the boys were given equal attention and taught to be respectful gentlemen controlling their own thoughts instead of expecting their sisters to say 'nike'.

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Actually WE spend more energy and discussion on this and a few other issues than they do.

I taught my daughters how to sit in a dress, because if they are going to wear the dresses (their choice) they need to know how to keep their undies from showing...

I'm betting the same amount of "time and energy" I put into teaching my children that is what the Duggars and the rest do...

hart&sole said...

But remember that Rebecca and Susanna Keller seem to be under their own authority while still maintaining religious beliefs. Apparently they have not been cast aside. If what Rebecca's husband said about how controlling TLC was about Josh and Anna's wedding is true, then why would it be so hard to imagine TLC also controlled what was said about transfer of authority in the vows?

ennvee said...

But remember that Rebecca and Susanna Keller seem to be under their own authority while still maintaining religious beliefs. Apparently they have not been cast aside. If what Rebecca's husband said about how controlling TLC was about Josh and Anna's wedding is true, then why would it be so hard to imagine TLC also controlled what was said about transfer of authority in the vows?

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I wrote a post about this last night that Blogger ate (second time in 4 days). Susanna's Facebook (the Duggar girls, per a statement on the Duggar website, do not have Facebook or any other social networking pages), she's been pictured with her hands on a guy...it might be her brother, but the body language is not brother-like, especially in Gothardland. Girl is wearing short-shorts and has a pretty hot boyfriend.

I wish the Duggar girls had the same opportunities. Sadly, they won't be allowed to do anything, even if they want to, until the run of the show is over. If they go any more "liberal" than Josh and Anna getting a TV or piercing Mackynzie's ears, makes Jim Bob and Michelle look bad.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Michelle and Jim Bob Duggar do not look bad just because Josh has chosen TV or other things. I think it looks like what it is , the older chlldren as they leave the nest are able to make their own decisions and be their own person. Josh has proven it and so will many others that will follow.

msrylee said...

I personally can't wait for the day that Jana, Jessa and their sisters make their own decisions and be their own persons. Do I think it will happen, maybe not. I guess time will tell.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I would not be surprised if we really knew the older girls and what is really going on they are making many of their daily decisions themselves. I do not think they are all that controlled by their parents.

All of the girls seem to be very happy and content and peaceful with their life at this time.

Jennifer said...

Interesting there's an article on Examiner which talks about College plus thing the Duggars are doing.


The Examiner articles are nothing more than you and I posting OUR thoughts on a subject. They aren't a accurate news source. You send in articles, "anyone can" about a subject, you get paid for it. Whats sad is lots people use them as being accurate, when they aren't. The Examiner doesn't even have a computer system that proof-reads the submitted articles. They are not a real news site. Google took them off the search bar, because they are not a news site. They are an submit your opinion and we will post it site.
Just wanted you to know, So you that they are not a news site. Google it and you can find out more.

ennvee said...

Jessa and Jinger are so checked out it's not even funny.

Josh and Anna are doing little things that are still acceptable in Gothardland (the TV is okay to do as they "claim" to do... turn it on for the toddler to watch educational videos). I believe that like I believe Jim Bob wouldn't hand me a biblical tract with a family picture on it if we came face to face. Those people are watching real TV (a satellite dish has been spotted on their roof).

What eventually happens to Josh and Anna, ie. do they renounce Gothard and become "regular" conservative Southern Baptists, such as Anna's sisters (although Suze's outfits are not conservative AT ALL) won't truly be known until the cameras go away but we all know how much Josh loves the camera. He might be angling for a spinoff, something he could do on his own terms as a truly independent adult.

Of course, he can't be totally independent from his parents until he pays off those car lots, but if he can negotiate a TV show contract independent of Jim Bob, he has the opportunity to show real growth and not just a few things that are a little different than his parents (and more similar to Anna's).

sandi said...

I wouldn't say the little things Josh and Anna have chosen to do differently really mean they have taken to their own way.When they start doing things like using birth control/decide to limit their family size,send their kids to school instead of homeschooling them, and Anna gets a real job/career outside the home (and or Josh works for someone else),then I'll beleive they have really chosen their own path.For now,I believe they have too much respect for their parents and their own upbringing to venture beyond the way they were raised themselves.I suspect they feel too compelled to do anything besides live for their parents at this young stage of life.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

"For now,I believe they have too much respect for their parents and their own upbringing to venture beyond the way they were raised themselves.I suspect they feel too compelled to do anything besides live for their parents at this young stage of life."

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There is another possiblity. Maybe they are living the life THEY desire or what they believe is pleasing to the Lord. It may not be to apease their parents if they truely have the same values. Many people take what the parents have raised them to believe as THEIR own believes sometime as they enter adult hood.

Cyn said...

When they start doing things like using birth control/decide to limit their family size,send their kids to school instead of homeschooling them, and Anna gets a real job/career outside the home (and or Josh works for someone else),then I'll beleive they have really chosen their own path.

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So if they CHOSE to follow in their parents footsteps in anyway, then it means they can't be living their own lives?

If they Chose to allow God to decide the number of kids they have because they (like thousands of others have) think it's a bad idea to block God's gifts to them they can't have made that decision on their own? Are the millions of catholics that follow the same concept just jumping on the Duggar bandwagon?

If they home school instead of send their kids to public school (again like 10's of thousands) that means they only did it because their parents did?

And last but not least I thought the entire point to Women's liberation was so if the woman wanted to do something she shouldn't be told she can't do it because she's a female. Anna and 10's of thousands of women actually WANT to stay home with their children, they do not want a career, and they don't want a job. Who are we to tell them they must have a career, and they must have a job, they must have a life outside home and family... isn't that the same thing we were told for hundreds of years only in reverse?

ennvee said...

Sandi, that's why I used the disclaimer "acceptable in Duggarland" with regards to the small changes Josh and Anna have made compared to his parents. I recall seeing a TV in full view in the Kellers' trailer during the last visit to Florida.

I don't think the changes would be all that radical, but the moment they renounce Bill Gothard and start attending a church actually affiliated with a denomination, or even an independent Christian church (as long as it's not IFB, which is the Bateses' denomination of choice), I'll have more respect for them.

They'll never publicly announce they are using contraception, or become liberal - or moderate for that matter - but if Josh can go to a real college and attain a degree that means something, like Anna's brother-in-law, he'll have more choices if something happens to the car lot. It's not like Anna can really work as a teacher; Susanna's college is located in Antigua and offers an education degree. It's likely Anna got her "degree" from that mill or one like it.

PS: How can one learn to bake online? Eh, it's just the Cheesecake Factory, whose cake recipes are boilerplate, not requiring no creativity. I could likely bring them a batch of my ginger snaps and get hired on the spot.

Religilicious said...

If the preparation received during childhood is limited to only the lifestyle of the parents, if the education stops at high school (and is HOME schooled, Duggar style at that), is it really a CHOICE to do the ONE thing your parents prepared you for?

If daughters are under authority of their father until they leave home and become the jurisdiction of their spouse, does the predictable outcome really qualify as that daughter's choice?

When you are told from the day they put that first ugly headband with ginormous flowers on it that YOU WANT TO BE A MOM TO AS MANY 'BLESSINGS' AS GOD SENDS, followed up with a decade and a half of only Gothard brand home schooling, when you are taught those outside your conservative circle are likely to steal your holiness, how much choice is really available?

Lynette said...

I'm confused here. People say they want the kids to make their own decisions but people aren't really happy with what they do unless it's what THEY want them to do. So basically, if they do that it's still someone else making their decisions but I guess then it will be okay because then it will be the decisions those people want them to make.

Delta88 said...

I don't think any of us want to be making decisions for the older kids (I don't), but I'd like to see them doing something that seems to indicate they have made a choice...not that their father has. College Plus!!, the towing business, the used car lot, the childcare of the siblings, the staying at home at over age 21, all seem to be the decisions of the parents, not of the older kids.

The only way we would know if the choices were really the children's themselves, would be to let them go (as the Amish do) to experience the real world. If they come back and choose the Gothardite life, then at least we could say that it was definitely their choice.

But we don't see anything that indicates that any of the kids makes a single independent decision.

msrylee said...

I am unsure if the Duggar blessings really make their OWN choices. As their father has authority over them until that authority is passed on to their husbands, it seems to me that decision-making may not be the blessings' to make. JMHO.

roddma said...

"For now,I believe they have too much respect for their parents and their own upbringing to venture beyond the way they were raised themselves.I suspect they feel too compelled to do anything besides live for their parents at this young stage of life."
I hope it is respect but at the same it could be guilt and shame. In this mindset, most of the the kids are raised to believe if they follow another path it is rebelling and disobedient even as an adult.

"All of the girls seem to be very happy and content and peaceful with their life at this time."
That's the point. They seem to be. Anyone can fake smiles for the cameras.

"I think it looks like what it is , the older children as they leave the nest are able to make their own decisions and be their own person."
It is true Josh and Anna can make a few little amoral decisions here and there. However, they still follow the parent's lifestyle 90% when it pertains to certain decisions like birth control, dress, and finances. If they decide to stop at three or four kids, send them to public schools, and Anna gets a job they will look independent. The fact Josh and Anna are still following their parents beliefs makes it hard to tell if independence is involved.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

The fact Josh and Anna are still following their parents beliefs makes it hard to tell if independence is involved. "

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the fact that someone keeps the same believe system of their parents does not mean they are not independant. If that was true than one would say that most Moslem families, Morman families, Amish families and many Jewish families sure are raising adult children who do not think for themselves or are independant.

I myself belive you can chose as an adult the same values and basically the same type of lifestyle as your parents and still be independant. One does not necessarily nullify the other. I believe each of these children will be just as independant as any Morman of Amish child growing into adulthood.

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ennvee said...

Scott Enlow's Duggar Blog on TLC confirms the new season will begin on June 7 and got their 9pm time slot back.

http://duggarsblog.blogspot.com/2011/05/duggars-return-in-less-than-4-weeks.html

ennvee said...

Forgot to add in the TLC post that Jim Bob and Michelle were spotted in DC yesterday. No kids or cameras in tow that could be seen.

sandi said...

Re: I hope it is respect but at the same it could be guilt and shame. In this mindset, most of the the kids are raised to believe if they follow another path it is rebelling and disobedient even as an adult

Good point as well.I also suspect they could be too afraid to venture into unknown territory by going agaisnt the way they were raised.That would be totally new to them and could be very frightening.It seems they were indoctrinated to feel comfortable in life by always doing things the same way their parents do.To venture outside that circle might feel like too much and be very uncomfortable.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Why do I seem to see the word "indoctrinate" when it comes to this family? The children are raised up with certain beliefs just like the Amish or the Mormons. Could there not be a time in which a child takes what they have been taught and take it as their own? When they do this I seem to think they are their "own" person.

I know that many churches baptize their babies and then they have a confirmation at a later date, about age 12 or 13 in which that child takes the faith they have been baptized in and mke it their own. Do we then feel sorry for the child like many do the Duggars and think they only are only doing this because they are indoctrinated?

What I see in the Duggar family is what I see any family, even non religious ones. Those who are raised non religious often hold the same view points as their parents making them their own as they get older.

Religilicious said...

Perhaps googling accounts from previously-Quiverful women will help explain the point being made by those who question the amount of actual choice the Duggar offspring are capable of making.

It is one thing to respect parental mores. It is quite another to be raised to believe that ANY variance from the parents' code equals a lack of respect and, worse, a lack of ethics.

Making an informed decision about anything, including lifestyle and ideologies, holds the requirement of actually being INFORMED as to other options, other alternatives. It is this important facet that some of us feel the Duggar parents remain absolutely blind to, and, because of their blindness, render their children unable to make a truly informed choice in these matters.

Statistically it will make sense if SOME of the 19 Duggar kids choose to follow in their parents' exact footsteps. What will NOT add up is if all 19 end up clones of Jim Bob and Michelle. IMO if all 19 end up Duggar clones, it is symptomatic of the Duggar kids being stifled in their education and led in life by a sad combination of fear and guilt.

Choosing an ideology is great, but it requires a knowledge, understanding, and respect for competing ideologies in order to qualify as a real CHOICE.

Sharla said...

I think we may be treading near the edge of the cliff on the personal choice matter. It is perfectly acceptable for people to have a different opinion on child upbringing. :)

Lynette said...

When they start doing things like using birth control/decide to limit their family size,send their kids to school instead of homeschooling them, and Anna gets a real job/career outside the home (and or Josh works for someone else),then I'll beleive they have really chosen their own path.

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Maybe they just don't want to do those things.

ennvee said...

Whoa, what happened to Blogger and all the posts from last week?

Enywho, a TWOP poster spotted Jim Bob and Michelle in DC on Tuesday sans kids and TLC cameras. Looks like they recorded a studio segment that aired on the 700 Club yesterday (the 12th, according to the link), and also appeared on another show:

http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/yeas-nays/2011/05/sightings-biden-room-board-duggars-do-dc

Here's a link to the Duggars on the 700 Club. Their segment starts at about the 22 minute mark. The first 5 minutes is a lot of stock footage with a reporter interview, then the actual interview from a studio in DC in which the main 700 Club lady (sorry, I only know Robertson) interviewer and the Duggars both prominently display the book (pre-sales have been modest from what I understand).

http://www.cbn.com/media/player/index.aspx?s=/archive/club/700Club051211_WS&t=k&search=700clubepisodes

Hope this post goes through! I don't want to go digging for the links again! :/

Sharla said...

Blogger had a major crash yesterday and had to reboot to earlier in the day or the day before. They tried to restore the comments after the restore point, but they may have lost some.

Samantha said...

I'm kind of scratching my head here. I've seen several people on here and other boards/blogs saying that b/c Josh and Anna have a tv they are choosing differently. HUH? The Duggars have television. They do not have it hooked to a satellite or air antenna or anything, but they do own a television monitor and watch (and I quote from the book 20 and Counting) "educational dvds and the occasional family show or movie" and they used to pull it out to watch the occasional Razorback game, election results, presidential speeches or special news events They stated this quite clearly in their book.

This is the way Josh and Anna have chosen to go as well (at least that is what he stated on the show). They have a tv monitor to watch DVDs on. No different from teh elder Duggars.

Mrs P

sandi said...

Someone who apparently lives in the vicinity of Josh and Anna said they had a satellite dish on their house.If that is the case then they are likely watching more than dvd's on it.

ennvee said...

They do not have it hooked to a satellite or air antenna or anything, but they do own a television monitor and watch (and I quote from the book 20 and Counting) "educational dvds and the occasional family show or movie" and they used to pull it out to watch the occasional Razorback game, election results, presidential speeches or special news events They stated this quite clearly in their book.

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They probably wrote that before the nation went digital. At any rate, at present they can't watch the local Razorbacks game or a Presidential speech at home with rabbit ears anymore. They've also admitted they go to Deanna's place to watch the shows (at least when it aired at 9). I'm not sure what they did last "season," although they are admittedly not morning people. However, Deanna likely has a job and can't entertain her brother's family at 10pm every Monday night.

Good thing they got their 9pm timeslot back. :D

roddma said...

"Anna and 10's of thousands of women actually WANT to stay home with their children, they do not want a career, and they don't want a job. Who are we to tell them they must have a career, and they must have a job, they must have a life outside home and family..."
I guess my previous got misplaced in the crash yesterday. It is hard to tell if it Anna's choice to stay home because of her upbringing. No one is telling them what to do. I don't have a career either but I made that choice myself based on logistics and after attending college years ago. If a path leads to them being a stay at home wife/mom/daughter or is fine. My path lead me to that and it just happened. I don't feel compelled preaching to other women they should give up their careers limit family size or not etc . Many of us feel no other valid options are available like limiting family size(which doesn't make you an evil person) and having careers. I read Anna's sister and brother in law were shunned for not living the strict patriarchal does not allow them careers. Some women do not want to stay home and maybe she is one of them. I think there is a big difference in independence and individuality. Josh and Anna may be independent but I can't find much individuality though it may be slowly getting there.

msrylee said...

Maybe Josh and Anna want to live by their parents' standards, and as long as they make their decisions of their own free will, I have no problem. I am just not convinced that they have chosen freely. We can debate this, but the truth of the matter is we don't know.

ennvee said...

Just went back to review and for those who haven't already heard, or missed it before the crash: the new season premiers on June 7th.

Nickname unavailable said...

A local TV show in Wash., D.C. interviewed Michelle and Jim Bob briefly late last week. They were flying home that night. They said the film crew only comes 2 or 3 days a week and tapes 2 or 3 hours at a time.

The woman interviewing them didn't seem to know much about them and when Michelle was asked if they will be having any more children, she said she had no news to report but it would be wonderful if it happened again.

The name of the upcoming new baby in their son's house has not been publically announced yet.

Jill has witnessed about 15 live births.

The youngest - Josie - is walking.

A new book comes out in early June and there will be a book tour.

Delta88 said...

I don't think Michelle will be pregnant ever again. It seems that God has closed her womb, due to her advanced maternal age and complications from her last birth.

I'll believe that Josie is walking when we see it. People claimed that she could crawl last year, and we never even saw her sitting. I still think she is developmentally delayed, but time will tell.

I do believe that Jill has witnessed a bunch of births. Now, if only she were able to complete a certified midwife course, as opposed to whatever ATI offers. An uncertified midwife in VA was recently convicted of murder when a baby she was delivering died. I would certainly not want Jill to be in such a position (and the accused woman had delivered 1200 babies).

Reality TV Junkie said...

Michelle said, (a while ago) that by the time Josie is 2, she will be 100% caught up with any other 2 year old. She is 1 and a half right now, so I completely believe that she is walking.

Allison said...

I watched their 700 Club interview and I thought it was interesting. I liked that they addressed the adoption issue, and it is something they are considering. Perhaps they weren't pursuing it because they felt "called" to have all the biological children they could have first! The kids, apparently, really want them to adopt, which makes sense considering all the international trips they've done to Honduras and how broken up Jill was about leaving her friend. I'm not sure if I want them to adopt, mostly because I feel like that would just trap the older girls even longer, but if they do have more children, I hope it's in the form of an adopted child.

positiveparent said...

adopt? seriously? They are in their mid-fourties with 19 children, none of whom have an actual diploma, several of whom still live at home with no signs of pursuing careers. What agency would approve them?

Cyn said...

adopt? seriously? They are in their mid-fourties with 19 children, none of whom have an actual diploma, several of whom still live at home with no signs of pursuing careers. What agency would approve them?
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Grow up in Orphanage with 100 or more children of various ages with little to nothing to eat, little to nothing to eat, no medical care, no dental care, little to no bonding in infancy and early childhood, and put out on the streets by age 13 or so...

Grow up in America, with possibly 20 siblings, enough food to eat, clothes, and shoes (used or not), medical, and dental covered, live there till you find a job or a spouse and start your own life...

Sounds wonderful to me in comparison...

Are they going to get healthy white American babies? oh noooooooooo you're right most agencies would NOT let them adopt. Can they adopt older children, children with dissabilities, and foreign adoptions of older children... I think they have a very good shot at it. Especially if they work through their different Christian Ministries that they work with, help, and or sponser.

I'd lay odds the guy they go help south of the border every year would help them through the adoption process, and the red tape down there.

ennvee said...

I think they have a very good shot at it. Especially if they work through their different Christian Ministries that they work with, help, and or sponser. [sic]

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Change "work through..." to "give a hefty donation to..." and they would likely be able to adopt any child of any age that they desired without any agencies or red tape to deal with.

It certainly wouldn't be the first time something like that happened.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

http://www.ky3.com/news/kspr-duggar-family-jim-bob-and-michelle-duggar-will-visit-harrison-ar-tuesday-20110516,0,6828446.story


That is the link to the article that tells us where the Duggars are today and that they are viewing the movie that they recently played as "extras", in
"Courageous"

positiveparent said...

you are probably right, they probably could pay someone and adopt a foreign child.... but I think that 'season of life' should also be considered closed.

It is not Jim Bob and Michelle that would be raising those new adopted children, it would be Jill. Jim Bob and Michelle have never had children (until Josie) that were not able to be emotionally and physically independent by the time they were walking. Older and foreign children have special needs and require special parenting skills. Older and foreign children can cause emotional chaos in a family -even when that family is prepared for it (and kudoes to those families). Leaving that type of child to the attention of a teenage or 20 year old overworked undereducated sheltered sibling is not going to cut it.
Jim Bob and Michelle would have no concept of the mental counseling such children would need, they would just ask for special prayers to be said at the Sunday service and leave it at that.

Religilicious said...

JMO, it's difficult to image the Duggar parents offering to a foreign adoptee an education about and respect for that child's possibly very different inherent heritage, culture, and (non Christian) religion.

It seems likely they'd raise the child to be simple carbon copies of the original 19 'blessings'.

msrylee said...

I would agree that IMHO the Duggars would raise an adopted child in the way they raised their biological blessings. The identical religious beliefs, education 'goals' etc.

Reality TV Junkie said...

I saw on the Duggar commercial that Josie was indeed walking, with the aid of a "baby walker"

rcadra2 said...

Can you guys imagine how the ratings would jump if the Duggars adopted a child from Central America?

But I seriously hope they are stopped from doing this. As the parent of an adopted child from Central America I would say they are in NO position to handle this. It would be so unfair to the adoptee, and also to their daughters. Because we all know that's who would be parenting the child.

With my adopted son, we're dealing with issues and it takes either my husband or myself to be one-on-one with our son a lot of the time.

And we have it easy from what I hear, since he was adopted as a baby. We're 'only' dealing with aggression, ADHD and sensory issues.

People can't even imagine the issues that come with adopting an older child. Separating him/her from remaining family members, the new language, the way people act differently in a new country, and also a potential history of abuse leads to HUGE behavior problems.

I'm not saying the Duggars would get a child like this, but you have to be prepared. Especially in adopting a child older than 1 or 2 years of age. The problems can be huge - hurting siblings, peeing all over the house, driving away friends and relatives. I've heard of some truly heartbreaking stuff.

Can anyone imagine the Duggars skipping a trip to DC or the homeschool conference to deal with this? I don't think so.

hart&sole said...

It looked like Josie was pushing a toy and walking behind it. Although it was just a quick look, I'd have to say she was doing pretty good for a 17 month old micro premie. As usual I will be parked in front of the TV watching '19 Kids' on June 7th. No matter how much my beliefs differ from the Duggars, I am still a sucker for their kids. Then, of course, there is Josh and Anna's little baby boy to look forward to seeing. I honestly believe that Jim Bob and Michelle mean well. They are just goofy.

ennvee said...

Amy posted on FB yesterday that Josh and Anna's name for M2 was "so cute" but has learned her lesson and said no more.

I imagine that in addition to the re-airing of the "Living with Reality Stars" segment, GMA will have a live remote set up and the name of M2 will be revealed. After all, they've likely already had the shower, so it's not like it's completely private any longer.

We'll find out tomorrow, I guess.

Religilicious said...

RE: challenges with some adoption situations:

IMO Gothard falls far short for even the average child. When considering a child with very unique special needs (as previously noted by another commenter here), ye olde Gothard- and Duggar-isms are a recipe for disaster, IMO.

The Duggars are far too simplistic and unenlightened to succeed in this type of child rearing challenge. Michelle Duggar's usual 'blanket training' doesn't quite cut it for a child with special needs as some adopted children face, and that is but one example of the Gothard/Duggar 'one size fits all' childrearing techniques.

hart&sole said...

The Duggar's method of child rearing is simplistic and unenlightened, but so were my grandparent's methods and their kids turned out fine...just sayin'

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Why all of the critical comments on the Duggars adopting when so many have said that they need to adopt rather than have more of their own.

I believe Mrs. Duggar will welcome all children regardless if she gave birth to them.

Amanda said...

Does anyone know if Josie is still sleeping in the "baby alcove" in Jim Bob and Michelle's room or has she been moved to the girls' room?

rcadra2 said...

What irks me is that they'll just drop the adoptee into the pack and leave him to his own devices.

What people don't take into consideration is how the poor kid feels. Can you imagine being an eight year old from, say Honduras, coming to a foreign country, being fed tater tot casserole instead of the tropical fruits and black beans you're used to. Jim Bob's in your face saying "Hola, how ar-o you doing-o?"

You don't know whether you'll ever see your birth siblings again. They were in the orphanage or living with relatives nearby. You can't figure out what these new people are saying or what kind of games they are playing, or what you're supposed to do when someone side-hugs you.

You don't get to leave the compound, except on a big bus sometimes, and then you're followed by cameras.

And you're supposed to be grateful to these wonderful people. But all you want is to be back in the orphanage where you've spent all your life, where your friends are and you feel at home.

So you rage, and strike out at the other Duggar children, who seem to know how to act.

That's why I say adoption would be a bad idea. A baby would be okay, but not an older child. There is a lot to foreign adoptions, and often that is glossed over.

ennvee said...

Sure, Michelle would "welcome" an adopted child; being in the public eye and held up as paragons of virtue to a lot of Christians, it's great PR.

Whether she'd actually raise it, or leave that to Jana and Jill is another question altogether.

roddma said...

"Why all of the critical comments on the Duggars adopting when so many have said that they need to adopt rather than have more of their own."
No one is really attacking them for adopting but just not being prepared to deal with behavioral problems and mental issues. They have 19 kids and almost 2 grand babies. Why would they need to adopt when so many infertile couples can't have kids? I think they would be passed over here in the U.S in most cases.

"Grow up in America, with possibly 20 siblings, enough food to eat, clothes, and shoes (used or not), medical, and dental covered, live there till you find a job or a spouse and start your own life...

Sounds wonderful to me in comparison..."
Starting your own life in that house is still being debated. None of them have their own life and a job yet except Josh. It may be wonderful except the kid will be on camera from the moment they get there.

msrylee said...

I'm certain that the Mother of the Year would welcome any and all blessings to their family. Who would raise them is another question. As Dr. Phil says often, the past behaviour predicts future behaviour (not his words, just what I can remember!!). Time will tell.

Religilicious said...

"Grow up in Orphanage with 100 or more children of various ages with little to nothing to eat, little to nothing to eat, no medical care, no dental care, little to no bonding in infancy and early childhood, and put out on the streets by age 13 or so..."

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Not sure which orphanage in the U.S. would be quite this dire, especially 'put(ting) out on the streets by age 13 or so', but I accept your point that orphanage life, especially in some foreign countries, is likely to be less than ideal.

But then again, not all of us consider life in Duggarville ideal either, what with the patriarchy, poor educational standards, and such a marked isolation from the larger world.

IMO, especially if female, an American orphanage-raised child would likely have a better chance of achieving a college degree than if adopted by the Duggars.

Cyn said...

Not sure which orphanage in the U.S. would be quite this dire, especially 'put(ting) out on the streets by age 13 or so', but I accept your point that orphanage life, especially in some foreign countries, is likely to be less than ideal.
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I took my comments almost verbatim, from what the guy at the orphanage the Duggars go down every year to help with says, and continues to say each time they go, I guess we don't hear it because we spend so much time ragging on the fact that JimBob won't learn the language.

They turn them lose at 13, they don't have enough food, space, clothing, or any of the other things I put in my first post.

We also met a family that has done several foreign adoptions (one of the families that came to visit them in Little Rock), that are church memembers in Tontitown with the Duggars, so yes they would actually know some of the issues that come with those kinds of adoptions.

They would also get a ear full from not only that guy in South America, they would hear and learn about it with the other people at the home school conferences. They are not totally ignorant of the issues that come with foreign adoptions.... (gotta fill that quiver one way or another (couldn't resist))

And as for the ones that stated "they will miss their families, and siblings they leave behind, that would be true of any adoption, so does that mean we shouldn't try and bring kids out of those situations???

I do realize that people have issues with the way the Duggar kids are raised, and the beliefs they are raised with... but I would bet my life that any kids the Duggars adopt would be GRATEFUL for the chance to get out of the living conditions they have to endure down there just to survive much less thrive.

And since it was missed the first time NO, I do NOT think the Duggars could adopt in AMERICA, at least not younger, healthy, white kids. Depending on the case workers and the need in the area though, they could be foster parents.

"Why would they need to adopt when so many infertile couples can't have kids?" <<< those same infertile parents can go to South America, or any other country and do the same thing the Duggars are contemplating doing, no one is stopping them, and in fact most of those ministries are BEGGING couples to come adopt these kids and not enough are answering the call...

Now if those infertile couples want a WHITE, healthy, American baby they will have to get in line behind all the rest... the line the Duggars aren't even getting into.

PS other than a very few that still survive there are no 'orphangages' in the USA any more, they put them in foster care, and group homes... and I've seen quite a few group homes, and runaway shelters... I wouldn't put a DOG in one if I could help it.

Lisa said...

"Does anyone know if Josie is still sleeping in the "baby alcove" in Jim Bob and Michelle's room or has she been moved to the girls' room?"

In the 700 Club interview Michelle was asked about the children that live in each of the bedrooms while giving a tour of the home and said that in the boy's room the children are John through Jackson. She also said that usually her children get to sleep in the alcove in her and Jim Bob's room until they are about a year and a half old but that Josie will most likley get to stay there until she is around 2 years old.

roddma said...

"Why would they need to adopt when so many infertile couples can't have kids?" <<< those same infertile parents can go to South America, or any other country and do the same thing the Duggars are contemplating doing, no one is stopping them, and in fact most of those ministries are BEGGING couples to come adopt these kids and not enough are answering the call..."
Most couples do not have the financial resources. I did some searching the average foreign adoption can range between $7000 and $30000. I'm sure the Duggars wouldn't have a problem with this.

msrylee said...

I agree that most couples don't have the resources to adopt a child from a foreign country. I'm sure there are lots of couples who would make great adoptive parents, but simply can't afford the costs involved. The Duggars probably can afford these costs. JMHO.

Happy Victoria Day to my fellow Canadian posters!

Religilicious said...

Now into her forties, it'd be great if Mrs. Duggar found something ELSE she'd like to do in life, besides birthing children.

Rather than adoption that keeps Michelle Duggar claiming all those special mommy moments while her eldest daughters get stuck with most of the related grunt work, why not grow BEYOND being just a one trick pony?

Many women find midlife a time of growth and a chance to get back in touch with self and spouse.

I'm not holding my breath for Michelle Duggar to take this opportunity to utilize this season of life to grow new interests and abilities. I'm guessing The Patriarch doesn't like change. OR personal growth.

sandi said...

I'd just be happy to see Michelle relish the time with her new grandkids and all of her little ones.That times passes quickly,as I'm sure she must know.

Allison said...

Just an FYI, Michelle has 2 new blog posts up on TLC's Parentables. Her latest one is on how she knew about Anna and Josh's baby's gender before they did. Apparently, it was not her idea...

http://parentables.howstuffworks.com/author/michelle-duggar/

ennvee said...

Jill gets to spend her 20th birthday at a fete for her parents. Her special gift appears to be the "star" at an elementary school.

http://harrisondaily.com/news/community-made-big-impression-on-duggar-family/article_07e76194-80e0-11e0-9b43-001cc4c002e0.html

Jana appears to have been babysitting the little ones because she's in this picture with Josie, who is now officially a member of the traveling circus, more than 6 months earlier than the doctors advised.

http://harrisondaily.com/news/a-day-with-the-duggars/article_a15459c4-8304-11e0-bc06-001cc4c002e0.html

And once more with feeling, TAKE THAT BLOODY HEADBAND OFF THE GIRL!

Sharla said...

The Duggars went to Joplin to help.
http://www.tmz.com/2011/05/23/duggar-family-19-kids-and-counting-joplin-missouri-tornado-disaster-tlc-john-josh-jim-bob-jana-jill-jessa-joseph/

Allison said...

As much as we rag on the Duggars, that is pretty awesome of them. I know a lot of people wouldn't even think to sacrifice their safety to help. I'm also glad some of the girls went. It wasn't "just the guys." I think that video showed Jana and John in their firefighter uniforms.

sandi said...

I think it's awesome as well that they went. :)

Allison said...

The Duggar family website got a HUGE make-over. Check it out: http://www.duggarfamily.com/

The content is essentially the same, although they did re-do the bios. Jana and Joy both aim to be a mom, but Jill wants more medical training, Jinger wants to get better in photography, and it looks like Jessa wants to do more mission trips.

ennvee said...

Wasn't Jinger supposedly studying music with College Plus!?

At any rate, a young woman named Brittany, who works for College Plus! has been staying with the Duggars (not sure how long), advising the students on what they need to do to CLEP their way through at least two years of college.

Not sure how Jill can get the training she wants without going to a brick and mortar school, but I suppose the rest of them could be tested (and Jinger's music evaluated by Skype) online. Now whether they complete their degrees at a "real" college or one closer to what Erin Bates attends (who doesn't even require SATs for admission, only testimony).

Since College Plus is apparently also a prominent part of the new book, I would not be surprised to see Brittany do some "advising" in a future episode.

NOTE: They could call a local Christian college and find out what tests are needed and buy them for next to nothing. That this young woman is at the Duggars' speaks to Jim Bob's palm being greased by College Plus! Brittany is part of the quid pro quo. CP gets free advertising on a show that is viewed by more people than Christian TV. It's a win-win for CP and Jim Bob.

sandi said...

Yes,it appears to be advertising.As a businessman,Jim Bob would know that this is not the least expensive way for them to complete college.And with the Duggar kids lack of formal education,some of those courses are going to be diffucult to challenge.
It's the same with the Duggar's and the ATI courses..it's not the most effective and cost-efficient method to get an education.And in many cases,the courses are just useless without more formal training.

Sharla said...

Duggars do Niagara:
http://tonawanda-news.com/local/x1697309228/-19-Kids-and-Counting-to-tour-Niagara-Falls

That schedule seems so tight and so busy. Those poor kids must be exhausted if all the trips are like that one. I hope they get time to do the things that they want to do and see.

Religilicious said...

"NOTE: That this young woman is at the Duggars' speaks to Jim Bob's palm being greased by College Plus! Brittany is part of the quid pro quo. CP gets free advertising on a show that is viewed by more people than Christian TV. It's a win-win for CP and Jim Bob."

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And a lose-lose for viewers. AS IF the Duggars, topped with an industrial strength dose of product placement (C+), qualifies as entertainment.

Blech to the whole Duggar sham and College Plus is a laughable alternative to REAL college.

ennvee said...

The Today Show solicited questions for thbeir appwarance Tuesdqay. I and others are inquiring about college after (C+), ie. Internet vs. Brick and mortar schools. I'm dying to hear Jim Bob extoll the fallacies of (C+).