Free Discussion February 2013

Please use this for Duggar and Bates sightings, speculation, or general discussion. Note that this is Duggar discussion not other families, TV shows, politics, religion, or personal stories. If the comment is more about you or some other issue than the actual Duggars or Bateses or other families seen on the show, please rethink before sending. Thank you!

83 comments:

tulip said...

Why is that some of the other reality shows that actually seemed real (or at least more so) are off the air, and these other shows that are still on are the ones that have gotten more and more staged? Like Table For 12, and even The Bates appeared to catch much more reality than The Duggars. Honestly, even Honey Boo Boo seems overly staged (Thanksgiving food fight? Good thing they "happen to decide" to eat outside) Michael's first bday episode was staged by the minute-so obvious it was ridiculous. I found it beyond annoying that Amy went out of her way posting pics on Instagram, etc., and now her latest interview, trying to make people believe it's real. Just proves they'll do anything to stay in the spotlight (which we already knew anyway.)

Anonymous said...

Did anyone else notice on the Bates family photos, one photo called sharing testimonies has Jana Duggar and one of the Bates sons steadily eying each other?

Sharla said...

I removed the comments from or related to Sarah's Facebook as she plainly requested that her blog was free to be shared but not the "stuff" from Facebook.

She has a new blog post:

http://samuelpope.blogspot.com/2013/02/one-month-old.html

tulip said...

The pic on the Bates blog it looks like Jana's looking more to the side, I think that's Nathan sitting on the other couch. Anyway, I don't know who's giving their "testimony", but everybody looks bored out if their minds. The only people giving that guy their attention are what look to be his parents. And who's that one girl on the couch next to Jana looking to be sleeping on another girl? Looks really weird! Good for Gil & Kelly getting a "trip" to Hawaii for their 25th anniversary, except for the fact it sounds like Gil remained a cheapskate on what was probably a once in a lifetime experience, with "a few meals and souvenirs", not to mention they had to point out the goblets at their romantic dinner contained juice...no kidding. It's always annoying to me now how they have to post numerous pictures of the Duggars everyone they go see them. Who really needs to see another picture of Josh & Anna? And, of course, they showed Josiah holding a tape measure between Erin & her fiancée, joking (but not) that there's a good 6 inches between them. Go figure-the sweet, lighthearted photos of the couple holding hands and laughing, looking to be genuine and somewhat "normal" marred by Duggar logic shaking a finger and reminding us of "the rules." ha,ha,ha...Ugh.

Nancy said...

Fan on the 19K&C fanpage posted a picture of her with Josh and Anna from Monday. Congratulated Anna on her pregnancy, which was apparently acknowledged on the Duggar Fan Page (or whatever that blog is called), but never confirmed by Josh/Anna. The woman got all flustered thinking that maybe she let the cat of of the bag. Since that other site posted the picture of Anna and her sister in the horrid black and white print shirts, with congratulations from a family friend, that horse left the barn a long time ago.

At any rate, the woman said she was "halfway along." If true, it looks like another mid-June baby (and conception with kids in a hotel room in Tokyo or Bejing!).

Patrice said...

"not to mention they had to point out the goblets at their romantic dinner contained juice..."
Well, heaven forbid that we should think the Gothardites are as lowly as we heathens, who may let a bit of alcohol cross our lips once in awhile! My goodness, I would never be able to look at Gil and Kelly the same way if I thought they had a sip of wine with their dinner...
{SARCASM!!!}

tulip said...

I was wondering that too-kids in the room, and what about Josh & Anna's bedroom at home? I would guess Michael is still in there and Mack's in the other bedroom? With their teeny house, what about when the new baby arrives, and will Mack & Michael be "allowed" to share a room (boy/girl-brother & sister, little kids or not, Gothard probably has some rule against it)...at least Jim Bob & Michelle, as she said, have a strong lock on their bedroom door-still, just the thought and all the PDA just creeps me out. It's supposed to be a family show, yet all the insinuations/jokes about sex, kissing and "special" wedding nights is really pretty gross.

Marites H. said...

Re: testimony time photo

It's a big house. Can't they bring in enough chairs so everyone has a place to sit? Looks like most of them are uncomfortable, standing around the kitchen counter...and totally bored out of their minds.

summer11 said...

"At any rate, the woman said she was "halfway along." If true, it looks like another mid-June baby (and conception with kids in a hotel room in Tokyo or Bejing!)."

There's no doubt in my mind that Mackynzie and Michael were passed off to "the older girls" along with Josie and Jordyn so that both sets of parents could have their alone time.

Patrice said...

Sad, the older girls have to be made aware of the constant sex lives of their parents and their brother and SIL, yet they are denied even dating, holding a boy's hand, or talking to anyone in private...remember the famous scene from Israel, I think? where they were talking to a boy and Jim Bob ran into the water at full speed and fully clothed: "I'M the dad!" The constant "haha, we can and you can't" is cruel, crass, and gross!

Rudy Tecat said...

Someone asked Anna on Instagram today if she was expecting, but was shot down by a Joshette as asking a rude question.

Anonymous said...

I'm surprised Josh called someone rude straight-out...

tulip said...

Anyone can ask Anna or Josh as much as they want about whether they're expecting, and we know they won't answer-they're saving it for the Today Show next month, so they can all crowd on set with Savannah asking the same old questions and getting the same old answers: It's a blessing, such a joy, however many God sees fit, blah, blah. Why else would they not blurt it out as they usually do? In exchange for a big paycheck, their lips are sealed (hee,hee)...oh, and, of course, "y'all just have to tune in", hardee,har,har...this all pure speculation, of course :)

Rudy Tecat said...

It wasn't Joshie, but one of his and Anna's teenybopper fans

Carolyn Bassett said...

It is a rude question.

Not so rude when it's obvious said...

It might be rude if they hadn't already told people, if it hadn't already been talked about by friends on Facebook, and also if she weren't wearing maternity clothes from Motherhood. Given all that it's pretty much passed on from rudeness to expected. She's pushing five months along.

Nancy said...

Anna also deleted posts from that exchange on her IG. As if she can hide the elephant in the room much longer...

tulip said...

Deleting other people's posts is rude. That is, when you volunteer to put your life out there for all to see, and get paid for showcasing your births on national TV, you've got fans, and people in general, that feel "entitled" to be in the know, and golly gee, will ask "the question" when they see Anna wearing clothes fresh off the rack at Motherhood Maternity as well as a beachball belly under an empire wasteline...oh, and also that little detail of having been congratulated by numerous people.

Alberta Rose said...

people in general, that feel "entitled" to be in the know.

There was a time when people respected other people's privacy, even if they were available through media. No one hunted down Erma Bombeck even though she shared her life as much as Michelle Duggar does. There were other people who shared their lives on TV but it seems like this century people have a sense of entitlement to know what is going on with those who share their lives via media.

flowerchild said...

I would like to know why the Duggars object to barrier methods (condoms or diaphragms) or natural family planning? None of these methods would terminate a pregnancy in progress or stand in God's way.

Betty said...

Did Erma Bombeck televise herself giving birth on a toilet? I think there's a difference in how open she made herself to the public.

When people have obviously pregnant pictures of themselves on the internet and they are known quiverful believers to think people won't talk about the pregnancy is completely disingenuous.

flowerchild said...

Also in regard to Anna's "pregnancy " she could be experiencing problems and want to keep silent or have to contractually for TLC announcement. If they want privacy they should lock their social media accounts its not hard to do.

Iva said...

There is a comment on Josh's facebook page that's says "It's so exciting when Anna and Michelle are pregnant at the same time". On her twitter account Amy say we can expect some big surprises this season.

Not A Fan said...

The comment about Michelle and Anna expecting at the same time, could have just been that persons opinion of what is exciting. It may not mean anything in regard to Michelle. At least I really hope for the safety and health of Michelle that she has not once again become pregnant. There is little to no chance of another baby actually making it full term or even to a vital gestation given the most recent history she has had. If she is in fact pregnant and is able to carry the baby to a vital gestation, I sincerely hope she and the baby make it out the other side. The fact is that her not surviving the delivery is a very real possibility. I hate that these people could be so cavalier about that. That said, her being pregnant is speculation and I doubt it to be true. As far as Anna, there is no denying that she is pregnant this time. JMO.

Ty's Mom said...

Has anyone else wondered if Josh's new affinity for hats is to cover up his receeding hairline? Or am I just being mean? Lol!

Anonymous said...

When people have obviously pregnant pictures of themselves on the internet and they are known quiverful believers to think people won't talk about the pregnancy is completely disingenuous.


This. Especially the quiverfull part. Most people are innocently commenting, and they are happy for her. I just hope she's ok, and that she's not keeping it private because she is afraid for her or the baby's health.

Carolyn Bassett said...

The Duggars are not Quiverfull. They are dominionist convicted.

In the Quiverfull mindset you leave having children to God, completely. You may have zero children, you may have 20. Most Quiverfull families believe that ecological breastfeeding is God's natural child spacing.

In the dominionist mindset you are building Christ's church here on Earth. God's army if you will. Children are weaned from Breastmilk early, typically by 6 months. Copulation always occurs during ovulation, though it certainly takes place other times as well. The goal is to aggressively conceive as many children as possible.

Betty said...

Yet the Duggars have advertised quiverful philosophies on the websites. They are picking up bits from both as do most of that group.

tulip said...

"Dominionist"?...Dare I say sounds worse, and even more weird, than "Quiverfull".

Yes, the Bible does talk about being fruitful and multiplying, not "aggressively" conceiving as mny children as possible...Ridiculous.

Patrice said...

The Bible also doesn't say you must have long wavy hair, wear outdated ugly clothing, dumb down your children and keep them prisoners when they are adults, exploit your family for profit, and constantly talk about sex while pretending to be more modest than everyone else, but the Duggars do all those things. Dominionist? Quiverful? Or following the rules of the manaical Gothard? yikes...I can't imagine why anyone would think of these people as role models!

stephanie said...

I hope Anna does get that big house they were working on. Its very pretty with lots of detail, its big and it looks private. She's in such a tight house on a very busy road and she deserves something nice after babysitting Duggars on ski trips, bus trips, and toilet births.

Penny said...

David and Pricilla posted about getting the baby room ready-used an old crib that has been in the Waller family-they sanded and varnished the crib-all or their fans lovingly responded that those drop down cribs are not safe but there is a conversion kit to make it safe-and some questioned about varnishing the crib-I'm glad people responded-hopefully they will take head and get a crib up to current safety standards-they are so out of the loop-at least Josh and Anna bought the proper crib for their babies

Patrice said...

I think it is sad that David and Priscilla even got married, much less have the ability to procreate. Not to be mean, but I don't think even their collective IQ is high enough to really understand the responsibilites of adulthood and parenthood. Hopefully someone will step in to guide them and teach them how to take care of an infant,and tell them about product safety, safe feeding and sleeping methods, etc. Kind of scary...like two little kids playing house with a baby doll.

Melissa said...

@Alberta Rose, I do respect Josh and Anna's privacy. I don't even look at their instagram accounts. What is annoying about all of this, is the possibility that they're keeping this pregnancy "a secret" for as long as possible, so they can use it to be a big "announcement" when the new season starts. Since, they didn't get a big TODAY show announcement this time, maybe they're waiting for the TLC show to announce the news. OR maybe they have learned their lesson and realize that the outside world isn't as interested in their lives as they originally thought.
I'm not sure what to think about the David & Priscilla thing. If they can go gallavanting all around Austrailia and the world, you would think they could afford a new crib for the baby. But, then again, they did steal pecans...

Canadian Fan said...

Using a crib passed down through the generations is sweet. That's what our family did, but you have to use your "little grey cells" and realize that safety regulations have changed such as the distance between the bars and the type of paint you should use. It sounds like the fans of their blog (I'm not one of them) are trying to be helpful with giving tips. Both D & P come from big families so their parents should be able to pass on some child safety tips.

Nova said...

There is a reason for increased safty standards. A family member insisted that the crib her last child used be brought out again for the first grandchild. As the grandchild lived there, that crib was used for two years until the second grandchild came along, who used it occasionally. By the time the fifth grandchild came along that crib was really looking sad, but Grandma insisted that the baby use it when visiting. One day I was there when the baby was put in the crib and a few minutes later started screaming hysterically. Good thing I didn't listen to the Grandma as she proclaimed that this latest baby was spoiled and told me to let it cry itself to sleep. Suddenly the baby stopped screaming, the suddeness was scary so I went in to check and found that the baby had slipped through the mattress and the side of the crib and was just dangling by her head. By the time I got to her she was wedged tight and suffocating because her face was being pressed into the side of the mattress.

Never use an old crib, and be vigilant with checking frequently to see that screws aren't loosening and the mattress still fits tightly, etc.

I hope that D&P, nitwits that they are, can be persuaded to reuse their old dresser or something. I hope they're not reusing their old carseats, too.

ALW said...

David and Priscilla recently posted a valentine's day video on their blog, typical creepiness about giving yourself to god. Anyways, one commenter below asked if Priscilla's cognitive disabilities were going to be passed down to their child and if she would have help at home. Woah, is that just a troll or genuine belief that she's handicapped? Either way, shows why I'm so interested in the families.

Sarah J said...

I have a couple issues with them using an old crib. As mentioned above safety standards have changed but David mentions 2 things;
1. Priscilla herself did the sanding. Not a safe practice while pregnant.
2. They actually had to make and replace a spindle. And the bars look very far apart. Current standards state that you should not be able to fit a pop can between the bars.
I hope that they rethink using the crib.

sandi said...

David and Priscilla recently posted a valentine's day video on their blog, typical creepiness about giving yourself to god. >Anyways, one commenter below asked if Priscilla's cognitive disabilities were going to be passed down to their child and if she would have help at home. Woah, is that just a troll or genuine belief that she's handicapped? Either way, shows why I'm so interested in the families.
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While she does talk a little slow,I'd never insult her and I do think it was mean.
David,OTOH,I think just enjoys talking down to everyone (per the way he brags about doing everything in a suit).JMO.And I want to see him change diapers in a suit.Esp. on a boy,that would be a real hoot! LOL.


Jac&Jil said...

David and Priscilla recently posted a valentine's day video on their blog, typical creepiness about giving yourself to god. >Anyways, one commenter below asked if Priscilla's cognitive disabilities were going to be passed down to their child and if she would have help at home. Woah, is that just a troll or genuine belief that she's handicapped? Either way, shows why I'm so interested in the families.
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I too think that someone was being mean in stating that about Priscilla having cognitive disabilities. But you have to sometimes question their judgment as so-called adults There is a video on their website of them building a snowman Here is Priscilla, eight months pregnant, in a skirt, in the snow rolling a very large ball of snow for the snowman. Then Priscilla says, "I'm building a snowman with my best friend." Huh? Their relationship has me very confused. I do wish they would both grow up and act their age since they are going to be responsible for another human being shortly.

sandi said...

Yes I saw the snowman vid.Priscilla looked like her legs would be cold,the way she was so underdressed for the weather.I thought at the least,she should have been wearing some leg-warmers,since they don't believe women should wear pants.

Elspeth said...

I recommend someone introduce her to tights and leggings.

Not A Fan said...

I didn't watch the video as I cannot stand to hear her voice nor the creepy way in which he talks. But I saw the pictures and thought it was odd that she was out there in the skirt towing that party line in the snow. Obviously oblivious to the fact that they are insanely following someone whom has told them all "this is what God wants from you". The thing about him being her best friend, I don't think it is that weird. My Mother always told us kids, marry your best friend. I was fortunate enough that after being friends for a bit and becoming best friends, after two years we did fall for each other and dated for 5. After which we were engaged and a year later married. I am happy to say that I have been married to my best friend for 7+ years. He has been my best friend for 13+ years. No, I don't go around calling him that, but I will always know that we were as close back then as we are now. I think being friends first is very important. Do I think D & P knew each other well enough to get married when they did? who is to really know, IMO the answer is NO. think he is hiding his true feelings and self from her, his family and himself, that is the real shame in the whole thing. Again JMO.

Special Ed Lady said...

I did P have a choice in marrying him? If her dad approved may she say he is not the one. She appears to be very sheltered. Is she "worldly" enough to make an informed decision?

Patrice said...

D and P just seem SO super brainwashed. I think Gothard trained David like a seal to speak in that creepy way all the time...knowing they work at Gothard HQ makes it even grosser. Priscilla, as a meek and dutiful wife, only has to nod, parrot what her "best friend" says, and smile. Her smile does not reflect happiness though IMO. Every time I see them speak, I think of one of those old horror movies where they are just wearing masks with fake smiles and voices that aren't really theirs. I'd like to know what is underneath the masks for both of them.

flowerchild said...

I'm not surprised that the older girls are reluctant to move out because they would feel like they were abandoning their babies. They raised and nurtured those babies since they were born they're the true mothers. The situation is just another trap holding them captive controlling them. Makes one think of other religious cults using a mother's children to keep them from running.

Anonymous said...

I know Anna has got to be out shopping and going places. Surely there are people who have seen her and can say for sure she is pregnant. I don't see how they can hide that from TLC. Michelle may be pregnant, but that could be kept under wraps pretty well. I think she could hide it with her clothing.

Elspeth said...

Anna is definitely pregnant. Anyone who has seen pictures of her in Motherhood Maternity wear or seen her in public knows it. They even announced it at their church gathering. I doubt that they tried or even considered hiding it from TLC. There simply hasn't been a TV announcement no doubt because none of the morning shows care any more.

Marites H. said...

I'm not surprised that the older girls are reluctant to move out because they would feel like they were abandoning their babies. They raised and nurtured those babies since they were born they're the true mothers. ***********************************
In the episode when Jana went back to be a leader at the Gothard indoctrination camp, the family was saying goodbye to her and one of the little ones (Josie, I think) reached out to cling to her. So sad for those youngest Duggars who will grow up and be shocked to find out Jana, Jill, Jessa & Jinger are not their bio-moms.

tulip said...

I believe this upcoming season will be all about endorsements & PR. They didn't include much political stuff in the last season because it was more to do with national, etc. (Santorum, Senate), but if it involves the kids on a personal level, I'm sure they'll have no problem, and make sure to do as much promo as possible (John David "elected" as Alderman, etc.), pro-life slipped in "casually", thus promo for Jim Bob & Michelle's new website. Then there's the Asia trip (just so happens IBLP is involved in global encounters-Taiwan/Southeast Asia Children's Institute, and character quality booklets printed in Chinese) I mean, it's all so obvious. Of course, don't forget Cousin Amy (and as she's already "mentioned") There will be a couple episodes centered around her, just in time for her new songs to be released-wow, what a coincidence...

Anna will give birth on camera again, because of course they've started this and can't leave out baby #3, which leads to more talk about precious life (pro-life). Josh will be losing a few pounds (leaving out the fact that the whole reason he has to lose weight in the first place is because he's been a glutton for the past two years straight.) Anything else that the Duggar's have been wanting to promote, or want to promote this year, will be on full display. I wouldn't be surprised if the book the Duggar girls are working on will be released this year as well (hence the more focus we've seen on "the girls"-group interviews, Journey to the Heart, etc.) "Ministry"?-the show has become more like 30 min. commercials, with the Duggars receiving hefty paychecks for their advertising.

Devil's Advocate said...

Sorry, I absolutely don't buy that Anna is pregnant right now, or at the very least isn't anywhere near as far along as has been speculated here recently. There is just no way Josh wouldn't be capitalizing on that at every opportunity - "Joshing" for his own show, publibicity, job, etc. Anna either can't or won't get over the baby weight, and since she probably never puts the maternity clothes away and they are bigger and likely more comfortable, she wears them. And all the 'comments as proof' on the instagram pages is hardly proof of anything.

ALW said...

Oh I'm so glad come one mentioned the "best friend" business with David and Priscilla. Truly bizarre. It's like they're trying to convince themselves that it's true. "Making a snow man with my best friend," "hiking with my best friend." Even on their wedding, if you watch the episode, David says it to the camera in a really insincere kind of way, like he's trying to get more camera time or he's trying to prove it. Odd.

Susan said...

Tee hee. Since lots of people in Arkansas have commented on Anna's pregnancy, we'll be waiting for your apology this summer.

Duggar Fan but Losing Interest said...

Getting a gay son married off with a baby on the way ASAP is commonly done to squash any rumours about his preferences. D & P didn't court for very long or have any moments of private, in-depth conversations so I don't know how they can be "best friends". In these social circles, you go directly from not being allowed in a room alone with a member of the opposite sex to going to the bridal suite at the hotel for your wedding night.

imaamy said...

Priscilla isn't the sharpest tool in the shed but I think she will be capable of keeping a baby fed, clean, dressed, and know if s/he isn't feeling well. Plenty of women who aren't Rhodes' scholars have kids. And she'll have lots of women around her who've had tons of kids: that is one "advantage" of the fundie lifestyle.

roddma said...

"Plenty of women who aren't Rhodes' scholars have kids. And she'll have lots of women around her who've had tons of kids: that is one "advantage" of the fundie lifestyle."

Uh..Having lots of kids means nothing in Quiverfull or anyone else. They will just be passed off to the older girls. What if Priscilla has 5 back to back? How will they nmanage? MIchelle would tell her it gets easier when the first-born girls are older.

Canadian Fan said...


Uh..Having lots of kids means nothing in Quiverfull or anyone else. They will just be passed off to the older girls. What if Priscilla has 5 back to back? How will they nmanage? MIchelle would tell her it gets easier when the first-born girls are older.
***********************************Maybe she'll have 5 boys back to back -- boys with no domestic skills or training. I think it's a bit sad that girls brought up in this environment are brainwashed into believing that they must spend their childhood preparing for marriage and motherhood -- those are the only options available to them. It's also sad that the number of single Christian girls greatly outnumbers single Christian guys. There aren't enough potential husbands to go around. What happens to those girls who grow up and don't get a husband to worship & serve? Maybe they just stay home for the rest of their parents'lives, waiting on Daddy hand and foot.

Patrice said...

That is such a shame. Everyone should have that time in life where they are accountable to no one but themselves. Going directly from obeying and worshipping daddy to doing the same to a husband they barely know has to be hard. What about the years when most people discover themselves by going to college or working their first job, and just living in an apartment by themselves or with roomies and having some fun and freedom? Or just being able to go to school or work and go home and relax...no diapers, no cooking for a mob, no herding a clump of howlers to bed at night. The poor Duggars will go from one home of a gazillion people around to another one where they will begin creating their own gazillion people to care for. Run, girls, run!!!

Nancy said...

Anna's eldest has likely had baby Olivia by now; the latest FB update from yesterday had her pretty far gone in her labor.

David and Prissy posted the most vapid video yet, regarding the metaphor of the people as God's sheep, yadda, yadda, yadda. Poor girl; I know about pregnancy hormones, but I don't think she's got two brain cells left to rub together.

Truthfully, she's so indoctrinated in the Gothard script it's impossible to know what she's really like. At least you get a good idea of Josh and Anna's personalities, warts and all, through their social media use (fairly normal for regular people, probably not such a good idea for "celebs"). One thing I can say about Josh is that he gave up being perfect some time ago; he discovered attention stroked his ego more.

Jac&Jil said...

There's a new video of Priscilla Waller telling about the Bible verse she and David put in the baby's room. She says she's in her 38th week of pregnancy, and she's huge! Looks like she has a 10 pounder in there. Please, please someone tell me she is going to deliver at the hospital and not have a home birth. I'm concerned for her.

Patrice said...

omg, it is hard to wrap my mind around that...a largely pregnant "woman" who talks like a five year old. Such a contradiction. Not only the little baby voice, but the words: "Um, a sheep is dumb! And it doesn't have sharp teeth or claws!...and um...."
WHAT? If I just heard that without looking,I would think it was a kindergartener up in front of the class giving her first book report about a sheep.
I wonder if Daddy Keller and Daddy Waller really thought this through before they tossed these two into the pot together.

sandi said...

IDK where Priscilla is going to deliver,but I think Chicago is having a pretty bad snowstorm right now.So whatever they have decided,if she goes into labor anytime soon,I hope they or the ppl helping them can get to her,or she to them.

sandi said...

IDK Patrice,but I do wonder if Dad Keller knew how David really felt about marriage.He is upfront about it in his bio,saying he bargained with his parents to put it off until he was 28,excuse being his dad got married at that age.When that didn't work,he agreed to wait a few mo. till his 25th bday,then if Priscilla (the only girl he said he liked) was still available,he would seek a courtship w. her.I got the feeling he hoped she wouldn't be.
I just wouldn't care for my daughter to marry someone who is only doing to please his parents.And the fact he isn't even trying to hide it from anyone...well..

Wampascat said...

I just watched that video about the sheep. I'm completely serious in my opinion that there is some sort of mental defIciency going on with Priscilla. I mean, at times I've thought the same thing about Anna, but with Priscilla...Whoa!

flowerchild said...

I kind of think Priscilla's voice is mainly just someone that nervous being filmed.

Susan said...

Sandi, very interesting insights into David wanting to delay marriage. Where did you find that? I looked around the Waller family website a bit but am not sure where to look.

Pam said...

Has anyone read all of David's bio? I went through as much as I could stand and found it very odd.....

At one point he said he was very nervous when he began to court Priscilla as he had never dated anyone outside of his Mom and sisters. Does anyone else find this as bizarre as I do?

sandi said...

Susan,this link:

http://davidlovespriscilla.com/about-us/david-story/

look under the section titled Chicken?! near the bottom,and also,above it for a few lines,you can see he says he was not ready to get married just yet.

sandi said...

Pam,I found the pic of the them all smiling around their son/brother's grave to be very odd.The last thing I would want to do is smile if my son/brother died at age 25 in a foreign country (I think it was Mongolia?),and was buried there.

Patrice said...

"I'm completely serious in my opinion that there is some sort of mental deficiency going on with Priscilla."
Unfortunately this is exactly why she is a perfect Gothard employee and follower. These are the kinds of people Gothard and other cult leaders prey on, because they know people with educations and critical thinking skills are not going to fall for their BS made up religions.
I haven't decided if David is equally low or if he is another snake oil salesman like Gothard and Jim Bob. I really can see him being groomed to be the next Gothard. They have the same personality IMO. Either way I feel bad for Pris. I have the feeling she isn't allowed to make a move without consulting her "godly" husband. Most parents would try to rescue their child from a cult but since the Kellers are in deep too, Priscilla probably thinks it is the only lifestyle out there.

Wampascat said...

David , at the ageof three ,recognized he was a sinner and that his punishment would be going to a horrible place of torment called Hell? Is this how they "train" their children in the Gothard cult? I suppose guilt and fear taught from an early age goes a long way to making sure those toddlers walk the straight and narrow. I cringe when I think of how that baby will be raised by these morons.

Mindy said...

When reading through "david's story" I couldn't stop shaking my head and wondering how people could really believe some of the stuff he kept going on and on about! Really, a 25yo was emailing his parents his journal (what 25yo male keeps a journal)! I noticed the Josh Duggar - Gothard HQ van connection...very interesting! Where in the world do David and Prissy get money to support themselves, a growing family and mission trips?!

Canadian Fan said...

David , at the age of three ,recognized he was a sinner and that his punishment would be going to a horrible place of torment called Hell? Is this how they "train" their children in the Gothard cult? I suppose guilt and fear taught from an early age goes a long way to making sure those toddlers walk the straight and narrow. I cringe when I think of how that baby will be raised by these morons.
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I teach the 2-3 yr olds S.S. class at my church and we have to be VERY careful about any ideas like salvation, sinners, Heaven & Hell. If I'd ask "Who wants to go to Heaven?" all the kids would raise their hands not b/c they understand that they are sinners deserving of hell, but b/c they know it would make their teacher happy if they did it. I have also worked with some 4-yr-olds who slightly get the concept of sin as "anything I think, say, or do that Jesus doesn't like". I am very leery about kids making salvation decisions before age 5. David's bio sounds totally scripted with Gothard lingo.

Leah said...

I find it so interesting when people over share information that is not necessary for a story. David did not have to share that long-winded story about negotiating the age of his marriage and his mom calling him a chicken for avoiding marriage (what excellent parenting!). But he did. And now it's so apparent that they were pushed into this marriage when it really didnt feel right. Even Priscilla shared that she felt "no emotion" and that she had to "lay down her life" in order to pursue the courtship. Wow, romantic.

Also interesting in David's story is that Mr Keller asked him if he would be willing to be accountable to Priscilla for his Internet use. Not only is that a bizarre question, it is very revealing. I believe Mr Keller has had to deal with one of his daughters struggling with her husband's Internet use. And I'd put my money on that daughter being Anna.

Pam said...

Very interesting Leah... I didn't understand the question about being accountable to Pris for his internet use. I bet you are right though.
I just found the entire Bio of both of them to be bizarre, especially calling a 3 year old a sinner. We are not very religious, but I do teach my 7 year old to treat everyone kind and don't do anything you don't want done to you.

Devil's Advocate said...

Betting Priscilla delivers (or attempts to deliver) at home. Isn't the egg-shaped baby picture on the wall behind her in the sheep video the same we saw in Anna's house? I got the impression those were kind of standard focal points for Bradley deliveries...can anyone confirm that?

MandySue said...

Do you think that Gothard teaches them to be arrogant? I like the questions Mr. Keller asked. Nothing about supporting his daughter or if he would treat her like a lady if he would be a good husband. Leave the number of children up to God and let her monitor your internet. Who does that? You can beat my daughter as long as you leave the number of children you have up to God.

That egg shaped thing kinda looks like an unborn baby.it would make sense for them to have something like that.

londonbridges said...

IMHO three year olds are not capable of understanding the concept of being a sinner.

Any person who would demand a wife monitor a partner's use of the internet probably has had experience either personally or with family members who have been involved in 'unsavoury' net activities. JMHO.

Nova said...

I'm of the opinion that expecting the wife to moniter her husbands internet use is just another way of making the women responsible for the men's libido.

Stephanie said...

We all agree Priscilla's baby talk whisper voice is over the top. Ick.

When Davids twin brothers were in 1st grade they were receiving bad influences and peer pressure? So they decided to homeschool. That's comical.

And the parents asking 10 children if they want to serve God in a foreign country. Of course a kid will say yes to please the PARENTS. Why do you think so many kids play sports or do beauty pageants? Because they want to make their parents happy. Kids don't just do that kind of stuff on their own.

I read David's story and it is strange that he vaguely notices Anna & Priscilla at Journey of the Heart but doesn't think much of her or girls in general or marriage because he wanted to be totally committed to God until he was 25 years old in honor of his brothers 25 year dedication to God. Great excuse.

If I were Priscilla that would embarass me that my husband waited a few years and only with the pressure of his parents did he decide to pursue the courtship. Something about that story doesn't add up. Not being snarky but I think David has Homosexual tendencies and his parents saw the signs (especially reading his journals) and had a serious sit down talk that he should get married. David was in no hurry that's for sure. At least Josh had enough sense to be a normal male with adult physical desires and knew he had to get married before he could have that kind of relationship. How John David is 23, and Joseph is 19, with suppressed desires is baffling.

Also his specific mention of what Mr. Keller's 2 main questions were, 1. Do you believe in leaving your quanity of children up to God? 2. Will you allow your wife to investigate your activities on the internet? Can't we all think of several questions that most dads would ask potential husbands? 1st on my list "How are you going to support my daughter?" Mr. Keller gets lots of "props" for his prison ministry but he lost me at the wedding when he said "David & Priscilla choose to live at a higher standard and not kiss until their wedding". These 2 weird questions add to his weirdness. And why didn't they get Anna braces? According to the son-in-law at Josh's wedding he claims the Kellers are financially comfortable and TLC made them look like poor trailer park bible thumpers. The Duggars do get braces for their kids.

Stephanie said...

Yes the questions were stupid. I would have said, "you met my daughter 5 years ago and just now are calling her? You must not want to really get married or be with a pretty girl"

sandi said...

My thought is that,is it even a reasonable suggestion that Priscilla monitor her husb.'s internet use? She doesn't strike me as someone who comes across as untrusting;in fact it's just the opposite.Not to mention,her father is bascially telling her NOT to trust David,which is just the opposite of the reason why he should be turning his authotity of her over to him.Either you trust someone or you don't,but I disagree w. the suggestion that she undermine her trust in (what was then)her future husb.,since her father did approve of him.
Pricilla doesn't strike me as one who is interested in the net,cell phones or anything of the sort anyway.I'm not attempting to gauge her intelligence,she just seems interested in being a wife and mother,and not a techno. person.JMO.

Nancy said...

Regarding "being accountable for internet use," that was a tenet for Kirk Cameron's character to overcome in that godawful movie, Fireproof.

We know Josh and Anna saw it (with Jana as a chaperone, because it was a pre-screening and atendees had to be >18). However, Mike Keller may not have seen the movie, which might explain why that line was not in (or shown to be in) Josh and Anna's "covenant," but was in Pris and David's.

Speaking of pregnant Keller sisters, there's been no word about Anna's oldest sister, who was, as of a few days ago, at a birthing center, lord knows where, overcoming some kind of infection after already being in labor for about 4 days. I'm getting a bit worried about that situation; John Shrader is the worst kind of grifter, making his family live in pop-up trailers, or a double-wide if he can find a church to house and feed them.

David appears to work directly for Gothard, but I haven't a clue what that pays. Obviously enough to keep him in suits and khakis, not to mention furniture that would be attractive to my 80 year old MIL (and Kinkade paintings galore...ugh).