Free Discussion, January, 2016

Happy New Year!


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sheila said...

Hi - I found some interesting things this morning. I was watching a YouTube video where Michelle was doing her anti LGBT robocall in which she explains that allowing transgendered men into female only private areas would pose a threat to children's safety. She never came out and specifically used the word predator or pedophile but that was clearly her implication. Disgusting. This, however, is even more disgusting: this is an EXACT quote from her speech that day - "we should never place the preference of an adult over the safety and inocence of a child". Oh, really... So it was yours and jimbob's preference to protect your pedophile son at the expense of the safety and innocence of your 4 young daughters. Liar, hypocrite, disturbing, sickening.
On a lighter note, an MSNBC commentator John Fugelsang gave his opinion about all this and stated if "dumb was hair, Michelle Duggar would be a wooky". Funny to me.

cat said...

Happy New Year!!
My hope regarding these Duggars is that no more shows are made or shown, at least ONE of the many Duggar adult " kids" gets a real job ( not working for Daddy), both DD and BS get REAL jobs and get from under Cult Manager, and NO pee sticks are positive , therefore not plastered all over the Internet!
Oh, and Jana gets out of her Cinderella life C whatever way that has to occur

lovely lady said...

heard one of the bates kids is going to have another baby? also heard one of them is in a courtship?

capslock said...

The Inquisitr posted:

There have been rumblings that Jill and Jessa’s show will continue into a full season next year despite the boycotts from groups who tried to convince the network to keep the entire Duggar family off the air.
While the supporters of the Duggar, Dillard, and Seewald families continue to rally for the entire family to return to television, TV by the Numbers reports that ratings declined on the two episodes that followed the Counting On premiere.


It states on this site that their numbers went up and not down...I wonder what is correct.

Lisa Mcginnis said...

http://www.inquisitr.com/2658280/joy-anna-duggar-and-lawson-bates-sing-amy-duggar-posts-video-of-joseph-duggar-with-carlin-bates/

joyanna duggar and lawson bates are singing a song that is not a Christian song. guess the duggar family is not what they say. only allowed to sing Christian songs. This is not a Christian song.

Sharla said...

I took the ratings numbers from a Nielsen report. If you want to talk about a specific story or report, you should provide a link to it. :)

Syndee said...

So apparently flooding TLC with emails did not work. So I would suggest flooding the comments sections, of the millions of Duggar articles that are sure to be published, with links about the dangers of blanket training, about Gothard and his molesting convictions, the truth behind quiverfull, etc. If we can't cancel the show, at least we can get the word out about the craziness in the cult.

Syndee said...

The way Lawson looks at Joy Anna and the fact that they are off in the corner of the room makes me think Jason is the chaperone. Jason, go stand between those two as they are 6 feet from the center of the room, and make sure they don't look at each other too much.

Bobbi said...

Syndee, Smart suggestion.going for it. Count in it. Thanks.

Willow said...

I had hoped for years that the word about Gothard etc. would get out. It has. Its everywhere now and I am sure just about everyone has heard about it. It has not helped much. Lots of people care (especially survivors of the cult) but lots of people just do not care. I don't see how there is much we can do now. There are just too many fundies out there, especially young ones. Apparently, many people in the world think its o.k. to put money in the pockets of scammers. Sorry, I am just a little sad about all of this today. :) Happy New Year Sharla and everyone.

Theresa said...

I agree that nothing at this point will stop the duggar money train. We can all write letters until our fingers fall off, and it won't make a difference. People only see what they want to in the duggars, and disregard the truth. Nothing will change that.

Dee said...

I understand the frustration that some people are feeling when it comes to the Duggars. I think a lot of people would like to see them have to face the consequences of their actions, but it seems like they're not. Josh won't see legal punishment for what he did to his sisters and the babysitter, who knows what will happen with the lawsuit Danica Dillon has started, and here they are on television again.
Here's the thing though; no matter what, they cannot go back to the way things were. From now until the end of time the name 'Duggar' isn't just going to bring about images of a super sized, fundie family, but will be linked with abuse, cheating, lying, and hypocrisy. Sure, there are always going to be people who support them because they stubbornly believe that the Duggars represent what's 'right' in our society. That in itself is very sad. When your paragons of virtue are a bunch of cult members who sweep child abuse under the rug and believe that adultery and obsession with adult films and their 'stars' can be prayed away in some pseudo 'rehab' center, that is a huge red flag that you're way off the mark.
The majority of people know what the Duggars truly are though. I think it's important to keep talking about Gothard and his organization. We're a busy society and although this has been in the news a lot, some people just aren't aware of it. Education is key. If we keep telling people about this situation, more will know how dangerous it is.
As far as the Duggars themselves go, look at the situation with their oldest child. To think that this is some isolated thing and Josh just happens to be a random 'bad apple' is pretty naive. There are 18 more children in that family. We're already seeing cracks in the reputation of some of the others. Jill and Derick are suspected of misusing donations earmarked for their 'mission'. Both Jessa and Ben have been spouting some pretty controversial stuff regarding Catholicism, a woman's right to choose, etc. What we see are a bunch of legal adults who have very little education and no true life skills as far as taking care of themselves. They have to depend on Daddy or they'd be up the creek without a paddle. I don't wish bad things on the Duggar kids because growing up the way they have is difficult enough, but statistically speaking, there are going to be other issues that spring up.
Jim Bob and Michelle simply do not have the ability to honestly examine themselves, their way of life, and how they have raised their children and learn from their mistakes. We've seen that their M.O. is to blame others for 'bringing up issues that were taken care of' (when they clearly were not) or to claim that such things are 'normal' and 'no big deal'. Their eyes are always on the money and publicity prize. People like that are setting themselves up to take a big fall. We really don't have to do anything but sit back and watch them tank themselves.
It might take some time, but they'll do it. They aren't self aware enough not to.
In the meantime, I'm sending out good thoughts for the younger Duggar/Dillard/Seewald kids. You couldn't pay me enough money to be part of this family.
Kudos to those who do put the truth out there as far as this family and their cult goes. Dressing up sinister stuff as something it's not is a dangerous game. At some point, those lies and crimes will catch up to them. I sure wouldn't want to be in their shoes.

MR said...

Dee, excellent analysis of the whole situation. I am so frustrated by this whole mess and how many "followers" that they still have. You are right, though- they'll tank themselves in the end- it may take 10 more years, though.
So sad that the ratings went up for the 3rd episode! I imagine part of that is due to this was the episode where Jessa actually had Spurgeon, so people wanted to see that.
I hope and pray that the younger children can have a more normal life now. I doubt it, though. I cringe when I see how Jill and Derick care for Izzy.
So sad that Anna is going to stick around and be loyal to Josh. He does NOT deserve her....he never did. My fear is that he has abused her much more behind closed doors (other than the adultery which is bad enough). We all saw on old episodes how he raised his eyes and made goofy faces whenever Anna would try to speak. He is the most narcissistic person- and yet Michelle and Jim Bob always made him out to be perfect. Such a shame.

Wednesday said...

Thank you Dee
I have been pretty upset about what feels like losing a war against these people. Your post made me feel better.

Dee said...

MR, I completely understand and agree with you. It is irritating that they seem to keep coming up smelling like roses and that people still support them.
I hope it doesn't take 10 more years, but who knows?
I worry for Izzy too. I'm not at all convinced of Jill's ability to be a good mother. Time will tell, I guess. Until then I remember him in my prayers...poor little guy.
It is also galling to me that Anna will likely stay with Josh. If she did not contract a disease from him having unprotected 'relations' with an adult film actress, then she's really lucky. We all know that could have dire effects on her and Meredith and any future children. I'm not entirely sure SHE knows that though. However, I cannot imagine her ever engaging in nookie with him again without wondering if he's really being faithful.
I guess that's her cross to bear though. As much as I want to shake her and say, "Wake up and smell the coffee, sister!" it's her life to live. I really hope she has given at least some thought as to how her actions will eventually affect her children. That whole situation makes me ill.
I have resolved that in 2016 I will limit my exposure to Duggar news. I think you're right and doubt things are going to change much in the near future. I will continue to boycott Discovery Communications and speak out when I feel it might make a difference, but besides that I cannot control anything about the situation. As much as I'd love to see Jim Bob, Michelle, and Josh get their comeuppance and have the entire family off the air for good, it might not happen for a very long time.
Sometimes we just have to resign ourselves to the truth that life isn't fair and sometimes the unworthy win. I comfort myself with the knowlege that I was fortunate enough to be raised by really great parents and I'm trying to follow their example in raising my own children. Also, our country's climate is changing as far as tolerance and inclusion go. I think we're working towards not just accepting the old way of thinking and are encouraging people to consider things with a broader point of view.
All we can do is try. Happy 2016 to you.

Meme said...

Terrific posts, Dee.
For sure sometimes the unworthy win.

Jim Bob Duggar's absence of character is stunning. What millionaire FATHER would allow his children to wear other people's cast-off, worn out, NASTY sneakers? Does he drop off the kids at Goodwill as he drives away in one of the many gigantic vehicles he owns? Maybe they parachute from one of Dad's private planes? ( I would feel like a failure as a parent if my kids had to wear used sneakers - some things can be cleaned, these cannot.)

And what MOTHER would allow a selfish, greedy man to spend his children's earnings on such "toys" when they did not even have proper clothing? I guess if one cannot be bothered to bathe one's own children then it stands to reason that there would be a general lack of concern all the way around.

You failed, Mary Duggar. As selfless as you seem to be, you still managed to raise a self-absorbed narcissist. You should have kicked the little prince's bu## out of bed, made him get a job and go to work instead of teaching him to wheel, deal and scheme like y'all do. The big bucks doofus STILL takes advantage of people with much less than the Duggars have. Shame shame shame!
If there is any justice in this world the Duggars will lose their show and Jim Bob will have to get a real job. Michelle's oldest girls will leave the home, sticking her with all the work - heck, she'd probably train Jordyn and Josie to pick up the slack.
I may combust before any justice happens.

s said...

My prediction for the drama-filled Duggar clan is another scandal in 2016. It is just a matter of time before they self destruct. They are not true christians as their actions deny the Faith almost on a daily basis.

coleen said...

This is my 2016 wish list for Aunt Deanna -
1. Get a full physical from your GP
2. Get a well woman check-up from your OB/GYN
3. Spend a few sessions with a life coach
4. Spend a few sessions with a feminist therapist
5. Move Grandma Duggar out of the compound and in with you
6. You and Grandma Duggar go on a single's cruise
7. Get a job that you enjoy so it isn't a job
8. Go on at least one week-end getaway alone every month
9. Take a college class that interests you
10. End relationships that are not healthy and focus on the ones that are healthy

Happy 2016 everyone!!!

Willow said...

Coleen - Your advice for Deanna is perfect. I just want to add: PLEASE Deanna, put yourself under your son-in-law's headship now and NOT your brother's. Actually, I do not believe in headships, obviously, but just in case Jim Bob tries to give you grief about it, just tell him you answer to Dillon now. Ha. Hope that makes Jim Bob's head explode!!

Cedric said...

It is opening doors to possible diseases when one buys used shoes & hats. It's comparable to buyi g a used toothbrush. Just nauseating in every sense of the word. Jim Bob & Michelke are abusive & nasty parents.

Tammy C said...

I can see Anna not thinking she could ever get a job.Onetime she was selling a car and getting the paperwork ready when Josh came in.He apologized for her being there and took over to complete the deal. talk about a slap in the face to Anna.

Ellyn said...

Re Josh.. The Bible clearly states adultery is grounds for divorce. Is a Jim Bob writing a new rule or a new book of the Bible according to Jim Bob beyond Revelation? He's just stupid enough to do so. Anna needs to go through the process of Deprogramming of the Gothard Cult take her children & get the hell out of the Duggar compound & Arkansas. RUN ANNA!

Murphy said...

Frankly Anna does Not Think. All thinking of women within the Gothard Cult is done by the men or leaders of this heinous & sick Cult!!

Aunt Bea said...

Deanna isn't a member of Jim Bob's group's cult, so she isn't under "anyone's headship" but God's..I'm sure this woman had somewhat of an independent life before she married; although the house she lives in is also owned by her mother. They are both on the deed. People divorce all the time and since their relationship seemed to be "iffy", Amy shouldn't be broken up over it; she's an adult even though it does hurt some; it hurt me when my parents divorced after 35 years and I was grown and married; but you get over it. She has her own household and husband now to think about; her own future. Hopefully, she will act like a responsible adult; it's time for Amy to grow up and perhaps be there for her parents.

Cedric said...

Just watched a brief video of Jill Dillard feeding Israel his first dill pickle. With vinegar & salt pickles made for adults, at nine months old this could have been a choking nightmare for Israel. Israel appeared as though he winced in pain. Jill didnt cut the pickle but rather chose to feed a pickle spear to Israel. Again, ignorant parenting abounds in the Dillard family. What next Jill a T-bone steak served to Baby Israel. I feel so sorry for this child. Jill has the brains of an ice cube.

Bobbi said...

21st century, no adult woman needs or requires authority or headship over them.

Murphy said...

Today's adult women are educated, intelligent, hold positions of high power in many companies. Many are married. With families. I am confident the husbands of these amazing women hold no authority over them but work together as a team & with respect. How about that uneducated Jim Bob Duggar!!

Leia said...

Perhaps Gothard (small in stature) suffers from Napoleonic syndrome? My guess is that he does. He needs to Puff up himself & so control of the Cult & it's followers does it for him. Eventually most Cults self destruct or implode. Some day it will happen.

Cassidy said...

Another Bates pregnancy. Big Yawn! Alert the media. These Cult worshipers have nothing going on in their lives or their brains. Just Boring! Don't watch the Bates program or any program on TV involving the Duggars/Dillards & Seewalds.

KimmieH said...

The Gothard Cult is a heiarchy that is about power over people. It attracts bullies, & men who want absolute control & expect submission of women & children. If it sounds as though I am describing Jim Bob Duggar, I am.

Murphy said...

The Gothard Cult also attracts abusers, predators & little petty tyrants of sort as well as those who are sexual deviants. Hmmm. Perhaps two of the Duggar adult men one of whom is in "pretend" rehab.

Willow said...

Aunt Bea and Bobbi - Yes I know Deanna does not need a headship. I know Deanna and Amy are not part of the cult. I was joking as it is probably a thorn in Job Bob's side that his only sibling does not agree with him.

Marie said...

I get the feeling that every time there is Duggar "news" that the "unnamed source" is Amy! What does she do to support herself?

jlp said...

She sings (jk) to support herself.

Kimberly said...

When I read about another possible Bates pregnancy, I went to Chad and Erin's page. Wow. I was very pleased to see that she has recorded her own Christmas CD. She is a stay at home mom, but has found a way to earn an income. I have to say that the songs sounded beautiful and weren't limited to songs about Jesus's birth. Frosty and I believe Silver Bells are also included. This surprised me in a good way. They seem to be healthy and balanced. Who knew?

Denisean said...

Re: Amy making a living- Amy lived at home with her mom until she got married, and she babysat and did other small jobs to make spending money. Her mom supported her, as far as a place to live, food, etc. A lot of young people in their 20's still live at home. Now she is married and her husband has a real job, unlike any of the duggar boys.

Krissy said...

Marie I had that exact thought yesterday

Denisean said...

This is just a random thought, but I was just thinking that it was pretty savvy of TLC to put these specials on during weeks when other programming is on a break. I bet the ratings were as high as they were because there was not much else to watch.

Cedric said...

After Derick married Jill, I now see how he changed. The rules of the Gothard Cult for the men are basically no rules but to lord it over their families with absolute control & zero consequences. Gothard promotes a dictatorship for the men within his Cult. No wonder Jim Bob went Sprinting into this horrid Cult it's right in line to feed his narcissistic personality. Sadly, I see all traces of Derick's original personality gone. Derick has 100% fallen into the trappings of this Gothard Cult. Re Ben Seewald in some way I believe Ben may be smarter than Derick because he doesn't seem all interested in the role of a husband & father. This could be the result of his age or perhaps the frontal lobe of his brain is yet to develop? Re Josh Duggar. I believe this guy is a Serial Cheater & no amount of intervention of counselling will change him. I definitely believe that Josh desires the Single "players" life. I also believe eventually Josh will be the one to Run & divorce Anna. I want you to realize I still believe that Josh as is Jim Bob, a real scum bag.

Wondering said...

RE:Pictures of Israel being swaddled. I don't understand why they would be doing that with a 9 month old. It was only a few weeks ago or maybe a little longer that Jill was writing about how great it was to see Izzy starting to crawl & pull himself up on the table. What's wrong with these people?

Jellybean said...

True, but now her Instagram and website are filled with obviously sponsored posts and thinly veiled gift grabs! Once she embraced the Duggar last name she really went for their money scheming ways!

Wondering said...

I love to know the results of a poll that asks how many people think Jim Bob Duggar has,viewed porn & also visited prostitutes? I'll bet the results would be that most people think Josh is only following what his father has done in the past. Of course now he needs to be more careful because of al the media scrutiny.

Wondering said...

RE: Denisean's comments about the timeline for the episodes of Jill & Jessa & counting. I was thinking the opposite, because so many people are so very busy at that time of the year with the holidays. But I guess it's possible.

Ellyn said...

Prior to Amy's marriage, for the many years she hung out & traveled with the Duggars & went by the last name of Duggar, perhaps she should have considered changing her first name to Jamie. It may have worked for her when she chose to embark upon a career in Nashville? Just a thought.

Bobbi said...

Up early this AM. I just emailed the IBLP in Illinois & advised them I have made it my personal mission to continue emailing the major TV networks for the purpose of Exposing the heinous & sick Gothard Cult.

Bobbi said...

Just emailed the Dr. Phil show regarding the Gothard Cult, the Duggars & Bafes.

Sharla said...

Very good information and part of why it isn't allowed here:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2016/01/why-public-speculation-about-the-duggar-childrens-sexuality-should-be-off-limits.html

Denisean said...

Honestly, not everyone is that busy around the holidays- especially on a Sunday night at 9pm. People still have to work on Monday morning, so they aren't usually at a Christmas party or shopping late on a Sunday night. That's usually a good time to unwind and wrap gifts in front of the tv.

coleen said...

https://www.instagram.com/joe_donaldson_1/

pics of Duggars New Year's gathering

Wondering said...

RE:Denisean's comments. As I said in my previous comments, I guess it's possible that those were good evenings for TLC to put on the Duggars. I guess it depends on where you live. I know in my area many people do shop on Sunday evening, since the stores often stay open until midnight & are not as crowded. I've never shopped on Sunday evenings during the holidays, but have friends that tell me that's a great time to shop...no crowds & usually holiday parties are on a Saturday evening. I agree with you, I would rather stay at home on Sunday evening.I'm usually right there wrapping gifts in front of the TV, but I'm watching holiday films, while my husband is watching football. I have many friends that say the same thing. So I guess you never know how these ratings will go.

Rob said...

Wondering, in regards to your posit that JB may have viewed porn or visited prostitutes, I think at least the viewing of porn is totally plausible. Remember how they proclaim that they have "filtered internet"? Well all of those options come with passwords to open it up if the parents deem they need access. JB I feel controlled those codes and opened the system as he wanted to as often as he wanted to. As submissive as Michelle was it's just within the laws of averages there were days he didn't get satisfaction so would find a way to be satisfied.

Just Me said...

RE: Rob's comments. I agree that ole Jim Bob with control of everything that goes on in that house probably has used passwords as often as he wanted. As far as ever visiting prostitutes who knows? We do know that Michelle is not allowed to question her "headship," so he can pretty much do as he wants. He also has the money to pay off anyone who threatens to reveal his activities.

Mindi said...

I see that Jill & Derick are now officially members of the S.O.S, ministries. What happened to their own "family ministry?" S.O.S. is the same group that all the Duggars have been involved with for yrs. The minister that married Jessa & Benjerman, had a high position with S.O.S. Jim Bob was always taking a large group of kids, usually just before Christmas, to whatever country S.O.S. was serving in at the time. I think most of us said why didn't they just give the money that was being spent on plane fare etc.to the poor instead of making themselves out as, "Saints." I think we now realize that they didn't spend any of their own money on these mission trips, much like Jill Derick.
Those trips were the ones that the girls were chastised for wearing "flip flops," instead of proper footwear in an area full of rough terrain, rocks & snakes, etc.

Tammy C said...

Derick and Jill have been appointed into SOS ministries.

Stella said...


TLC GM Defends Talent Screening Process, Discusses Future Duggar Specials

Link to rest of article:http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/tlc-gm-defends-talent-screening-852989

"The audience clearly cares about these girls," she said. "We're still talking and considering it but we have not made a decision yet."

Katie's Mom said...

I read that article (TLC-GM DEFEND SCREEING PROCESS) & clearly TLC has welcomed the Duggar clan back from what was really only a mini-vacation,(actually it was during their hiatus) & into their waiting & welcoming arms. There was no concrete reason given for the immediate cancellation of "Honey Boo Boo," compared to the long drawn out decision about what to do about the Duggars. In the end, they never did actually sever their ties with the Duggars, as they did with Honey Boo Boo. I never watched Honey Boo Boo, so it is purely speculation on my part, but it does appear that the mother, June has a valid reason for suing TLC over their cancelation. With the Duggars we are talking about 5 girls being molested, 4 in their own home, in their own beds & the brother admitting to being the molester. With Honey Boo Boo, it seems to be about a relationship or prior relationship, that the mom had with a man who was eventually revealed as a sex offender. Now did this man ever molest June's kids in their own home in their own beds? I don't know, but we all know the answer when it comes to the Duggars, as Josh has admitted it. TLC never made a move with the Duggars as far as announcing any cancelation, until they knew that the scandal surrounding Josh being addicted to porn & visiting prostitutes was about to be revealed. Prior to that revelation, the so called cancellation of the Duggars was really a sort of let's wait & see how things go, before we completely sever ties with them. It's obvious that TLC has been working on the Jill & Jessa & Counting series, as a way to bring back the entire Duggar clan. After all, we sinners out in TV land will never mend our ways, & live a Godly Christian life, unless we have the "Saintly Duggars," & their ministry back on TV. I guess TLC thinks we need to walk through this fire with the Duggars. We need to come alongside them & fellowship with like people. Since so many of us don't seem to realize what's right & good for us, & how we should be living a "Godly Life," TLC & the Duggars are going to show us the way. Well actually they are going to shove it down our throats!

Leia said...

Has Jill Dillard learned the Spanish word for "Like"? I hope she has as that pretty much covers her vocabulary. I cannot believe that Jill didnt have the motivation to get a GED. Poor College educated Derick married to uneducated Jill.

Murphy said...

I hope the Duggars never return to TV. Most people have moved on to other interests. Continual pregnancies is the best the Duggars have & it's not news or interesting. The Duggars need to find jobs. However, the Duggar boys lack of education & skill sets may prevent them from becoming employed with a companies other than fast food which probably pay minimum wage or somewhat better. Jim Bob & Michelle chose to under educate their kids. To me that's abuse, mean spirited & just reprehensible. Shame on these two.

Bobbi said...

Earlier this AM, I emailed the Hollywood Reporter & provided as much detail regarding the Duggar family stating why the Duggars should never again return to TV. I am hoping for a reply.

Bobbi said...

Katie's Mom, Thsnk you for your insightful post. I hope to hear from the Hollywood Reporter. Once agsin, I completed emailing every major network regarding the Gothard Cult & the Duggars. I just don't want the Duggars return to TV & their sickening sweet attempt to sublimininally attempt to convert viewers to that sick & depraved Cult. I just can't let this go.

Leia said...

Re Blanket Training... Perhaps Michelle should place herself on to a blanket & first hand experience the blanket training she forces on to babies. I think it would be hilarious.

Pam said...

Anyone see that Josh's (or probably JB's) motion to dismiss the lawsuit from the porn was denied? The judge said she has enough evidence to proceed. YES!!!!

Syndee said...

Well you have to undereducate your kids or they'll leave the cult. No question about it. Apparently they do in all these other super fundamentalist religions. Otherwise, really, why would you stay? Especially the women.

I really think the religious aspect is a big part of it. Maybe they're scared they'll look "anti-Christian" if they bag the Duggars completely. I'll bet if Honey Boo Boo did the whole (fake) Christian thing, oh my boyfriend repented and found Jesus, Jesus forgives so I decided to give him another chance, they probably would have kept her show too.

I'm wondering what's up with that Nancy Daniels from TLC. I wonder what her background is that she is still invested in that family. Maybe she has some religious background or something, why else would she be pushing the show? That would be interesting to find out. This is not the first quote from her that I saw.

MCL said...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/01/06/new-charges-allege-religious-leader-who-has-ties-to-the-duggars-sexually-abused-women/

Interesting how Gothard throws the Board of Directors under the bus. This is one sick organization...

Anna is not responsible for Josh's sins said...

I'm not sure the public still "cares about these girls" as much as some just wanted to watch a train wreck.
As far as Honey Boo Boo's show goes,I don't think it's fair,either.The molester paid his dues,spending 10 years in prison,and he was never on the show anyway.The grandmother had custody of the daughter that was molested,and there's no way TLC could not have known about it all beforehand.I'm not crazy about Mama June,but she does have a point.JMO

Murphy said...

Pam, I hope the judges decision really ticked off old Jim Bob who probably believes he's in charge of the court & judicial system. Jim Bob who barely graduated high school believes he's smarter than Judge what an incredible moronic Fool!!!

Cedric said...

MCL: I believe the women who filed this law suit could be the ones that finally expose Gothard for the pedophile he truly is & the media will get on board & produce a program about this jerk.

Bobbi said...

MCL, Wow this is great News!! I hope this article is the catalyst to get the ball rolling & finally expose the Bill Gothard Cult.

Ellyn said...

Syndee, Doing my best to search & find a business email for Nancy Daniels of TLC. If I find Ms. Daniels email address, I will share.

Murphy said...

Oh joy! I am proud, happy & thrilled for the Dillards ACTUALLY NOT!

Sharla said...

First Bates episode this season had 351K viewers and a .12 rating.

Syndee said...

I spent a rather interesting part of the hour reading the comments from the Washington Post article. More people are learning of the craziness of these fundi cults. Secrecy is the power of the cults and knowledge and enlightenment can bring them down, so though we hate to line the pockets of TLC or the Duggars, I still think there may be a silver lining in the shows staying on the air and the constant publicity.

KimmieH said...

MCL.. We shouldn't be surprised Gothard threw IBLP Board of Directors under the bus. It's typical cowardly behavior of a cult leader as they never take responsibility for their actions. Just the name of that tune.

Quiana said...

Katies mom and syndee here's a link detailing what happened with the honey boo boo scandal.

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/10/mama-june-child-molester-abuse-anna-incident-report/

With that info I want to know what everyone thinks in relation to what's happening with the duggars. Staying on topic. Not trying to steer away but curious about the parallels between this and the duggars and how the.network is treating both?

Grandma said...

Can you go to linkedin for Nancy Daniels of TLC to be able to contact her? I am not familiar with linkedin so I am just wondering.

Grandma said...

Googled Nancy Daniels and found Variety that you can pay for premium service and get her email.

Always said...

Unable to sleep early this morning, I watched an old DR Phil show on cults. This one was filmed in 2005 & was about "The Children of God." It did say that the previous year, Dr. Phil had done a show on Warren Jeffs & the FLDS Cult. So I think Bobbi has a great idea about writing to his show, as he is apparently interested in exposing these cults. Since it's been over 10 yrs. perhaps he's ready to do another show on these cults. Of course, it's also very possible that he has done others, that I just have not seen. Anyway, I am also going to take that route of trying to get someone like DR Phil to look into the Gothard cult. My husband was saying he would love to see Jim Bob questioned by Dr. Phil. Good ole Jim Bob wouldn't know which end was up. I'll bet he would have a Bible in his hand the entire time, & would be able to give Biblical quotes to whatever questions he might be asked.

s said...

So the Duggars have gone radio silent. No new pics, no real news. What's brewing now?

Cedric said...

Just watched a youtube video interview with Kristiana Miner a former Gothardite by Chris Shelton. Ms. Miner spoke about her experience living according to Gothard's rules, etc... Ms. Miner said the Duggars are the Mascot for the Gothard Cult.

Always said...

Since I wrote earlier about watching a Dr. Phil show about cults, I wanted to mention that one of the things I discovered, was how the young boys in the cult are treated. There was a man who said as a boy of 9yrs. old he was forced to have sex with a 26yr. old woman. He & his wife who are now out of the cult, both told of having siblings who committed suicide & both had parents who still remained in the cult. Although, I have always known how uneducated these children are, until I listened to this young man, I didn't realize how totally un-socialized even the men are. He talked about how he had no idea how to write a check or deal with the bank regarding a bank account. They have no idea about the activities of daily living. The women were basically talked about the same way you might talk about the Duggar girls...marry young, have as many babies as your body will allow, your husband is your headship, & on & on. I know I've probably always had more sympathy for the girls, but the boys also lead a terrible life.

Just Me said...

RE: Information on Nancy Daniels, General Manager of TLC. All you need to do is Google her name,as General Manager TLC. You probably won't like what you read, as she seems to be standing solidly behind the Duggars. All of her statement are about how they are real people, going through real problems. She states they are continuing to work with the Duggar family.

pretty girl said...

http://lorialexander.blogspot.com/ anyone read this women blog spot. one post she sounds just like michelle duggar? be willing and available at all costs? sorry but as a Christian women I do not agree with this one and some of her other post also sound just like the duggars wonder if she is one of them?

Bobbi said...

Always, Thanks for this logical post. I encourage you to email Dr.Phil about this Gothard Cult & the Duggars. The more people contacting D.Phil will bring about awareness & spark the interest of Dr. Phil to produce a show sbout Gothard & Duggar. Thanks to everyone who plan to email Dr. Phil. One more detail... My email to Dr. Phil included the subject & explanation regarding "blanket training" of a baby & that Michelle Duggar thoroughly embraces this method. Just thought Dr. Phil should become aware of this sick abuse.

Cedric said...

Evidentally, the objectivity in programming by Nancy Daniels is vacant. Any intelligent person would conclude returning the Duggars to TV is a huge mentally unhealthy mistske. Suggest Nancy Daniels may be a member of the Gothard Cult as she doesn't appear to make ethical & sound decisions especially regarding the Duggar family. Obviously Ms. Daniels has been fooled.

Murphy said...

Here's the thing. Re the Gothard Cult.. If TLC had not produced a reality orogram about the Duggars then perhaps we may have never known about this Gothard Cult & all of the baggage that it is. So in part, it is the Duggars who have initiated awareness about the Gothard Cult. Once the media learns about & exposes the Gothard Cult then, the Duggars can thank themselves for providing viewers with the resource tools to bring Bill Gothard & the dirty secrecy of his Cult to light.

Ellyn said...

Evidentially Lori hasn't determined that the people posting to this blog are not supportive of the Gothard Cult or of any comments made by Michelle Duggar particularly regarding the without question availability for the husband.

MelodyJ said...

Cedric, I did not see your post here and last night I watched the same video regarding Kristiana Miner and Quiverfull and how she was able to be set free from their mindset. I would highly recommend anyone espcially Duggar fans to watch this video because it explains why the Duggars think and act as they do. Before watching this video I thought that Quiverfull was just a religious sect who had some beliefs which I disagreed with. After viewing this, I now believe Quiverfull is a cult. It has led me to start doing more reading about experiences of former members.

Syndee said...

Yes, Murphy! I think that too. The exposure of the cult was worth it. Now people are aware of what is going on, because of the show.

Im also changing my mind about Nancy daniels after reading about her. I dont think she is naive or blind. She had a very successful career leading up to becoming GM. She probably knows what she is doing, she must really believe the show will work. Maybe she believs there will be enough waiting-for-the- trainwreck watchers as well as real duggar followers.

Tori said...

Dr. Phil handled Jon and Kate with kid gloves, so I doubt if he will take on the Duggar mess.

I think that the networks are connected somehow.

Tori said...

Sharla said "First Bates episode this season had 351K viewers and a .12 rating."

Is this good or bad? I never know how to interpret these things.

I thought with all their hoopla about another pregnancy that it would generate a lot of interest.

I didn't watch.

Sharla said...

If we were talking a regular broadcast network it would be dreadful. For UP, it seems to be OK.

Always said...

Re: Bobbi's comments. Yes Bobbi I fully intend to follow your lead. Thanks for mentioning what you included in your email to Dr. Phil. I should have mentioned but forgot, that when I saw the show about cults, Dr. Phil's son, Jay was also speaking on the subject. Apparently, he has gone to Utah, as well Arizona to investigate these cults that have been mentioned to the producers of the Dr. Phil show. I think he was writing a book on the subject. So I guess there are others who care about these people raised in cults, that know nothing else in their lives except what the cult leaders tell them. I'll see if I can find any information regarding whether or not he did in fact go ahead with the book.

Murphy said...

Tori, With regard to Jon & Kate, I agree. However the issue with Jon & Kate is not about a Cult as is the Duggars. In the past, Dr. Phil has produced shows exposing Cults & engaged discussions with former members of a Cult ie The Children of God Cult. I believe Once Dr. Phil reads some of the emails sent to his staff & he regsrding the Gothard Cult & the Duggars involvement within that Cult, he may conduct additional research & produce a show to expose this Cult & all of the programs connected to this Cult created by creepy Bill Gothard. This Gothard Cult needs to be exposed. I am hopeful it comes to fruition.

Marie said...

Jim Bob will never consent to an interview where he isn't in control!

Ellyn said...

The rules of the Gothard Cult of which the Duggars & Bates blindly follow include...

Social isolation of children
Character for girls vs education
Zero independent thinking discouraged
No privacy
Accountability partners
Blanket training
Absolute obedience no questions
When children smile show only 3 teeth
When in homeschool children may only raise their hands from elbow to hand
Limited homeschooling of chlldren
Some kids may attend christian college
Older kids raise younger kids, cook & clean
No TV
Limited Internet
Courting if approved by head of house
Arranged marriages
No birth control
Continual pregnancies
Never show anger of any type
No liquor
No smoking
No profanity
No dancing

There is more, at this time I cannot recall additional rules.

Murphy said...

Timing is everything.. Just finished watching the "Outlaw Prophet" film about Warren Jeffs & the FLDS Cult. So much of this film focused on the sexual abiuse of teen girls. Clearly, I saw a parallel between this Cult & the Gothard Cult. The "keep sweet" comment made often to young girls made me want to hurl. The message & control was clear & it was words often spoken by Jim Bob Duggar. Cults are so dangerous especially for the children because they have no voice or choice.

Meme said...

Ellyn, that list is incredible. Maybe Dr. Phil should see it too? You know, even if Jim Bob and Michelle refuse to be on a show about Gothard - assuming that Dr. Phil does one someday - it would still be great. So many people (like myself) need to be educated about this secretive bunch.

I would love to see an exposé.

Gracie said...

Something along the lines of girls must wear skirts and long hair that is never cut?

KitKath said...

I've thought in the past, as well as now, that one of the main objectives of these cult leaders, Jeffs, Gothard, etc., was sexual abuse of adolescent females. Power and control also, of course, but I think their main jollies in life center on abusing girls--and that's how the ball got rolling when forming their respective cults.

I encourage you all in your free time to watch "14 Kids and Counting Again!", the very first Discovery Channel special. It's easy to see how They were lured in by the Duggars: they seem so innocent, interesting, and yes, bizarre, but ultimately harmless. It's insane to see how Michelle and Boob have morphed from then until now into fake, greedy, emotionally detached fame whores. Also, you can kind of understand how TLC would defend the cash cow. Kind of, that is.

In any case, Nancy Daniels has the responsibility at this point, I believe, to publicly declare "no more." It's simply irresponsible to continue with the show--we all know the multitude of reasons. It hurts to see that she said that they're still considering a series.

Murphy said...

Verity College is an approved college by the IBLP Gothard org. It's extremely strict & controlling. For girls, Home Ec courses is a requirement. During the week, all students must be in living facilities by 8PM & on Saturdays by 9PM. No progressive or independent thinking. Sound as though Verity College should rename to Brainwashing Univ. it would be more honest. Often, the Duggar women will speak at Verity College.

Just Me said...

RE: Murphy's comments. I also watched the Outlaw Prophet film. Murphy is absolutely correct You cannot watch that with out thinking of the Duggars & their cult. Sometimes it beyond belief how these women stay in these cults, but then when you realize that it's all they know & the outside world is so evil to them, they stay where they feel they are protected although it's anything but protection for them.

Ellyn said...

Meme, Thank you. I heeded your advice & just sent & email to Dr. Phil which included the rules established by Gothard. Appreciate the suggestion.

Jak&Jil said...

Regarding Dr. Phil, I'm sure his staff has reached out to the Duggars several times with absolutely no success. Dr. Phil was on the View after the Ashley Madison/Josh scandal broke, and he was asked his opinion. Dr. Phil said that his father always told him that for every rat, there are always 50 more. So I believe Dr. Phil thinks there is a lot more to the whole family story/history and that he would love to have them on his show. I don't believe the Duggars could withstand or even understand a conversation with Dr. Phil about their family's problems. Maybe he could just have Anna on his program and have a great talk with her. And, Jim Bob and Michelle would not be allowed to be there with her to answer her questions.

CatMom said...

Supposedly, the Duggars were spotted with a TLC camera crew recently buying lumber..not sure of the validity of this article I saw, though. Hopefully it's not true.

Meme said...

So glad! Your list was really an eye opener for me. Maybe something will happen with The Dr. Phil Show. We can only hope. Thanks Ellyn!

Just Me said...

I'm in total agreement with everyone who thinks it's a good idea to contact the Dr. Phil show. I was unaware that he had appeared on the View, as I never see that show. Wish I had heard what those ladies had to say. Just because the Duggars wouldn't appear, I don't think that would necessarily stop him from having a show about their family's involvement in a cult. After all, he doesn't need to have the family on there denying everything, when there has been so much about the family & their scandal ridden son everywhere on social media. Many times they will do a show with what's available to them & acknowledge that they reached out to the family with no success. Dr. Phil will strongly state that they were invited but declined to be on the show. I've seen that many times. So I wouldn't necessarily count out a show about cults done by Dr. Phil, especially the Gothard Cult. It's really what the Duggars need, not someone like Megyn Kelly. There needs to be a no questions barred, no questions that have been already been pre-approved by the Duggars. I doubt they would ever appear on Dr. Phil show, but that shouldn't stop Dr. Phil from investigating the family, the cults, etc. & then giving them their chance to speak about it.

Quiana said...

I asked above about others thought about the differences between the honey boo boo and the duggars, but I'll state as the honey boo boo family was dropped so fast because of their image. The duggars are still considered a nice upstanding family. Where the honey boo boo family was a country bunkin show. Still curious as to thoughts on this!

Also there won't be a Dr Phil show I doubt it. The Oprah show cancelled the Duggars appearing when that letter was found years back. So why would phil touch them. Also not sure it would do much anyway

KitKath1024 said...

Right! After all this shameful news, why are they still considered "better" than Honey Boo Boo? Is it because they're slender and properly made up? So weird. TLC used to be respectable.

greatmom said...

saw that tlc is consdiering the duggars a show again? what is wrong with this network these people are really sick and need to go away. right this women and stop her from putting them back on tv.

Susie said...

The Tinker Toy House has no central heat. Another indicator that Jim Bob does not take care of his family.....that is the first thing he should have purchased when TLC gave him the house. What a boob!

Pulling up a trailer with a wood stove furnace and pitching wood is my indicator of just how stupid this man is.

Katie's Mom said...

RE:Quiana's comments. Since it was so many yrs. ago that the Duggars were dumped by Oprah, after her producers received the letter & apparently researched the contents, as I don't think they would have dumped a show that was ready to go unless they researched the letter & really were convinced that there was substance to the letter. At that time, I think Dr. Phil was sort of under Oprah's wing. Yes, he was a frequent guest, but I am not sure if he had his own show then, where he & his own production team would be completely in charge. At this time things are different. He has his own show his own production co. If he addressed the subject of Josh on the View, then he must have his eyes on what's happening with the Duggar family. I don't think it would be a lost cause to continue contacting his show, as that's about the only one I can think of right now that might not be afraid to take on the, "Duggar Machine," although Anderson Cooper might be another one that would be interested, as he has done other shows on cults. It makes me sick to write the, "Duggar Machine," because it makes them out to be so much more than they really are, but somehow they have their brand firmly established in some high places. If a scandal that revolves around & includes young women (his own sisters) & a little girl as young as 5 yrs. old (also a sister) being molested in their own home, while they were supposedly sleeping, not to mention purporting to be a Godly, Christian husband, who took advantage of every opportunity to actually preach on the steps of public buildings in DC, telling young people, why they should remain pure before marriage & exactly what it takes to be a truly Godly, Christian couple. If that man is then found out to be addicted to porn & visiting prostitutes, I have to ask, why isn't that enough to bring down the Duggars & their firmly encased brand? If this hasn't done it then then I don't know what will. Someone needs to do something & I thank God (my God) not the Duggars God, for the wonderful everyday people who are daily taking their precious time, to contact networks, sponsors, & continue looking everywhere for someone in the public eye, such as Dr. Phil or as suggested, possibly Anderson Cooper, who has also taken on cults in the past. Jim Bob is always saying "God works in mysterious ways." Well so do caring, loving, motivated people of good will.

Wondering said...

I watched the short video on Verity College. I noticed that every girl has the same long hair that the Duggar girls have. Also it show some young men in a road race of some type, a couple of them had running shorts on, but most had long pants like the Duggar boys & Jim Bob wore that time when they were in the movie "Firestorm."

Pick on real issues said...

The heating system is actually an efficient system of under the floor coils. It is a form of central heating.

too bad,so sad said...

KitKath1024-
I don't think the support for the Duggars is because they are thin or that the girls are rather attractive. I believe that humans are always evaluating with a subconscious view of "them" and "us." Interesting research is being done with babies that points to this preference for likeness over differences, even at this very young age. So, I believe that many viewers look at the Duggars and see "good Christians" and then will support them with a lot of dedication. Others will look at them and see people saying they are "Christians" but see they are so different than the kind, tolerant Christians they are or that they know and oppose them as actively as they can.

Reading the posts for the support of the Duggars always seems to state, leave them alone they are good Christians unlike those evil Kardashians or other unGodly tv programs. Or the post will admit Josh has sinned, but the other Duggars are untarnished. They continue with the rest of the Duggars should not be punished because one was a rotten apple. Only in America is it seen as a "punishment" to not have your own weekly tv program featuring your family!!




Bobbi said...

Katie's Mom, Thanks for the suggestion to contact Anderson Cooper. I've always respected him. I will soon email Anderson & encourage him to investigate Gothard, the Duggars & produce a program about this insidious Cult. Thanks again.

Denisean said...

The duggars have radiant floor heat... it is much more efficient than forced air heat. Hot water runs through coils under your floor. What makes you think they don't have heat? The wood stove could be being used to heat the hot water. The hot water can be heated by wood, electric, gas and then it is pumped through the lines in the floor (similar to old style radiators). Perhaps they were heating with gas and decided to change to wood, so what?

Just Me said...

I'm not sure if this has anything to do with Nancy Daniels statements last week, & I am well aware that there are rumors all over social media. Right now the rumor mill is saying that the Duggars are definitely back with their show on TLC. It seems they have been seen filming. If this is true I hope Nancy Daniels gets her General Manager butt kicked out of that job A.S.A.P. I guess Nancy Daniels didn't hear Jim Bob & Michelle say it didn't matter at all to them if the show continued or not.

Bobbi said...

I just emailed Anderson Cooper & provided as much detail as possible regarding the disgusting Gothard Cult, the Duggar & Bates Families involvement within this heinous Cult

coleen said...

Yes, TLC did shoot at the lumber yard with the Duggars.
http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/josh-duggar-sex-scandal-jana-duggar-filming-with-younger-kids-lumber-yard/

Why, TLC continues to lie and deny is beyond me. They have heard of social media, right?

SkateChick said...

It may or may not be true, but several outlets are claiming that Anna is pregnant again. Can anyone confirm?

If it's true...I mean, really? She had a baby not even 6 months ago.

Susie said...

Radiant floor heat requires hot water.....to run the system they must pitch wood into a furnace located in a trailor outside......they do not have a self contained flow of hot water for this system. NUTS!

Syndee said...

Pretty girl, I read the Lori Alexander blog and I think it's not so much that she sounds like Michelle, but that Michelle sounds like them. I didnt realize that the Fundy group was so large and had such a following. It seems it doesnt matter what they're called, Fundy, Christian, quiverfull, it's all the same. Her website saidit had like 4 million total hits, but its not clear for what time frame. You should read the post on birth control, they all use words likeevil, dangerous, I hate it, etc. Many also say it caused their miscarriages so Michelle is not alone in that. Many talk about having struggles in bearing or raising their kids but how their struggle was a gift from God. Almost more extreme than Michelle. Such an eye opener...

Meme said...

Quiana, I have also wondered why Honey Boo Boo was yanked but the Duggars were allowed to remain on television. I'm thinking it all goes back to who was bringing in the most money. The episode with Jill's wedding was pretty huge, as I recall. Viewers were still impressed with the girls because the Megyn Kelly interviews hadn't happened yet. Anyway, Josh fell from grace again and Jill and Jessa joined their parents in defending him on television. I am sure there were big ratings during that time as well. So, good or bad (ratings), I guess TLC figured there was/is money to be made.
Of course this is just one woman's very unsophisticated opinion!

Michelle (not Duggar) said...

Not sure about the heat, but having the heating unit outside is somewhat common (here in rural upstate NY). It's like having a wood furnace but just not in a basement. I'm not so sure hoping for a Dr. Phil show is a good idea. One, the OWN network is part of the Discovery network and he may still be associated with Oprah - therefore maybe would not come out "against" one of their shows. (Just speculation on my part). But I think a bigger problem is that he's such a mysogynist (spelling??). I wouldn't be surprised if he blamed the girls/women for some of their problems.

Anna is not responsible for Josh's sins said...

Lori's blog makes divorce seem like a more affiable solution,as opposed to submit submit submit all the time.I'd rather be single than live like that.Idk how the fundie women stand it;I guess they like popping out babies all the time, not having to work outside the home,and having a man make all the decisions.What a prescripted life that you never have to think about.Perhaps they like that part,idk.JMO

Just Me said...

Nothing makes me angrier than to hear Duggar supporters always tossing around the line "They are Good Christians so leave them alone." Yes, I am a Christian & I probably fall into the category that most do. I try to be a "Good Christian," but I know I fail many times, so I'm probably somewhere in between. However, I will always maintain, that there are good people of all faiths everywhere. As bad as thing often get with all that goes on in this world of ours, there are still, many, many, generous, kind, loving people, that are not Christians. As a Christian, I deplore the fact that the Christian support the Duggars receive, is from people who have made up their minds, often times with a great deal of help from people like the Duggars,( i.e. Pastor Jim Bob) that only Christians can do good work, be caring, kind & loving to their fellow man or a stranger. Get over them Duggar Devotees, they are wrong on every level. Look around & see if you have a kind, loving neighbor, who would drop everything in a minute to help you if you needed it & guess what they might not be Christians...they might even be an atheist. However they also might be loving, caring, human beings, & probably a lot better than the Duggars who only think of themselves, their fame & their fortune!

Csnee317 said...

Oh my holy Lord. Out of pure curiosity I went to the blog that was mentioned (Lori Alexander). It is truly mind boggling that people actually believe this way. I know the Duggars have professed (in a sanitized way for "easy" viewing on tv) these beliefs for years, but it was so hard to read! Truly, they believe that the only thing women should be doing is getting married, having babies and doing whatever their husbands want. Don't have any ambition little Suzy! You need to be available to go wherever your husband's job/career ambition leads you. Forget if you wanted to be a doctor, don't have such aspirations. Well, not in those exact words but wow! As a family who is on the verge of making the decision for my husband to be a stay at home Dad, this is so offensive! I don't know why it didn't hit me this way until now, just reading this woman's blog, but it hit hard. I feel sorry and angry at the same time for women growing up in this lifestyle. Wow, just wow.

Ellyn said...

First of all JMO... The Duggars are not Christians as they prove time & again. The Gothard Cult Grrooms men to become the Cult Leaders of their families & home. Years ago, Jim Bob Duggar achieved this title & goal as clearly, Michelle & the kids never consider making a move without the approval & authority of Jim Bob. Within the Duggar Cult, "independent thinking" is non existent & it's never been an option. All thinking is done by Jim Bob as according to the Gothard Cult, men or heads of house rank just below God & that everyone within the family answer to the head of the house or Cult vs God. Thus I conclude, the Duggars are not Christians they are definitely a Cult.

Leia said...

SkateChck, OMG I hope Anna isn't pregnant again? Where is her brain? Does Anna not care about her body? I mean she just had a child a short time ago. So if Anna is pregnant with #5 she must believe this child will heal her marriage? Josh I am convinced does not want more children. Anna is delusional. This news is disgusting.

Syndee said...

What is hard for me to believe is that it seems the women of the Lori Alexander world are promoting it among themselves. When you look at the Duggars it's easy to think JB runs everything because M is such a dimwit and he tells her what to do and say. But the women on that blog can't all be dimwits (can they??) They themselves are telling other women that you shouldn't have aspirations, etc. It's not the men doing it. These women are putting a lot of effort into developing arguments to support their opinions that stay at home, home schooling, no BC, etc is the best. That's hard to wrap my head around.

Andrea said...

I've been thinking about the tabloid reports that Anna might be pregnant. Initially I thought there was no possibility it could be true, but thinking about it I'm not so sure it's not possible. Michelle actually sought out a 20th child after Josie's tragic birth and early life, so really anything is possible with these people. That said, Anna had had (totally normal) issues in the past and did also have a miscarriage or two, so who's to know for sure.

Meme said...

Okay I tortured myself and read the Lori Alexander blog today.

I did not have to read much before certain words and phrases jumped out. She mentions that her four grown children walk in truth and are married to godly spouses. Need I say more? Actually, maybe I will.

I have a favorite Bible verse of my own: PRIDE GOETH BEFORE A FALL.

I can't imagine referring to my child as being godly. That's offensive to me. Again, it's the pride thing. If I am wrong then the Lord can show me the errors of my ways. Until then, He is the only I will refer to as "godly."

Michelle said...

I don't mind some traditional gender roles. The problem with the fundies is they take everything to extremes. Sure, the Bible says not to hold out on your spouse, but it never says you must "do it" every single time. In other words, respect each other. A man can be understanding occasionally if his wife is tired or not feeling well. A wife can be understanding and not say no constantly.

As far as being a SAHM is concerned, I don't have a problem. Daycare costs are ridiculous, so if you have more than one preschooler, you might as well stay home because it will likely take your whole salary anyway. What I don't understand is why you never hear the Duggars mention Proverbs 31. It specifically says the woman mentioned was a business woman who considered a field and bought it. She made and sold clothes. There is no mention of having 100 babies.

I would also like to know what happens to these fundie women when the husband dies. They have never handled anything on their own. Anna can't even live on her own and raise her children. She has no clue. There is no way God wants her to be ignorant and unable to care for herself and her children.

Judy said...

How would Anna be pregnant if Josh has been away since she was 4 weeks post partum? I doubt that's true.

GF Baker said...

Aside for the skin crawling 'ick' feeling I have of Anna getting pregnant while visiting the rehab, I am so sad for the hormonal roller coaster she will still be on as she tries to work on forgiving and staying in a marriage where her husband did all he could to humiliate her.

The court sessions are now in the news which Josh is trying to fight. (He had admitted to being caught and quickly said,'sorry, my bad!") Now he is saying it never happened........not how a true repentant person acts. You beg forgiveness, change, and pay the consequences of your choices. It seems Josh has not made any progress in this rehab center. (which doesn't surprise me)

Denisean said...

Susie- I don't know why you are confused about the floor heat- I have this exact system in my house. The water is contained in the hoses in the floor, heated by a wood furnace. Using wood is green and inexpensive. This is a perfectly normal way to heat a house. Additionally, the house would not pass code and would not have gotten a certificate of occupancy without a proper heating system, nor would your insurance company approve homeowners insurance without a functioning system. Many, Many people have a wood burning furnace, which cannot be placed in the home- they are outside or a in a shed with the chimney venting out.

Esther said...

Just Me...
Re: people saying someone is a good Christian ...Mark 10:18 and Luke 18:19
Doesn 't it say that only God is good?

Esther said...

It would be lots of shows would start interviewing young people who used to be involved in this cult. Can you imagine if it seemed like every network, every newspaper and every blogger was working to get interviews with those who were fed up and had left the cult?

Wonder if Anna's brother would expose them if he was given a nice fee.

Larry King might be good...how about O'Reilley? Doubt Barbara Walters would. anyone else have some ideas on who would have been good? I don 't think people Would believe Larry King Or Maury Povich. I had high hopes for Megyn Kelly but lost all respect for her.

Do any of the comedians make jokes about these celebrity wannabes who don't get that they are only on because TLC knows people love to gawk at horrible things.

No Longer Anonymous said...

How do you suppose Daddy Duggar would have responded if a son-in-law did to one of his daughters what his favorite sonson did to Anna. I doubt he would be forgiving. The rumor about Anna being pregnant, whether true or not, made me think that the overnight visit was probably timed at the most opportune time for Anna to conceive.

The recent photo of Joy Anna toting a gun made me so sad. She was such a sweet little girl and it appears she is falling right into line blindly following the lead of older members of this cult like family. They are so sweet an innocent as children but throughout their childhood they are being groomed to take their place as a member of the Gothard army.

Captain Crunch said...

Oh please! OF COURSE Anna is pregnant AGAIN!!! She did this deliberately, this is her badge of 'I love my husband, see how I can forgive this slimeball? I am a Christian!! THIS is what we do!! Danica who?'...no surprise from me. She's as wacked as the Duggar clan.

Bobbi said...

So when Anna visited scumbucket Josh it was a conjugal visit.. Anna has the brains of a gnat. A gnat is probably smarter. One would think from his behavior that Josh doesn't want more children. Wake up Anna & grow up!!!

Cedric said...

So Jim Bob has insurance? Jim Bob always projected an attitude that he didn't need insurance if any type. In my state, home owners as well as people who rent, are required to have insurance. The same bodes true for owners of automobiles. Old creep & narcissistic Jim Bob just whistles a happy tune believing the world revolves around him & the entire world marches to the beat of his moronic Cult drum. What a Loser!

SkateChick said...

Considering that there is official documentation of Joshie's previous "wrong choices" with his sisters, and he is an admitted "porn addict" who is now in rehab, shouldn't there be some kind of investigation by child services to see if he and Anna should even have custody of their children?

With all of the turmoil in that family, I would suspect things have been especially hard on the M kids and they must be so confused about what is going on. That cannot be a healthy environment for them to be in.

Child Protective Services, please intervene.

Just Plain Offended said...

So Anna had a Christmas conjugal visit, and two days ago on January 13 the tabs quote a source as saying she thinks she's pregnant. Either the tabs are hard up for a story or this is another piece of evidence about how fixated the Duggars are on sex and how much the women lap up the attention they get with pregnancy. (They don't wait for people to ask how they're feeling; nope, they just go right ahead and tell you about their morning sickness, blah, blah.) I don't think that ANYONE in their right mind (I seem to be using that phrase a lot on this board) would announce a pregnancy to anyone but their spouse, or maybe their mother, just three weeks after sex especially when they KNOW the tabloids are after any tidbit of news. I am hoping it's just a made up story, but I would not be surprised at all if it's true. After all, Jim Bob told her to get pregnant, and he is God's right hand man, after all.

How convenient that Anna and Jim Bob's God speaks to them in just the ways they want to hear. No one can argue with anything God tells them. Didn't Anna's brother try? So if Anna wants to think a pregnancy is a sign from God, wow, it is. Just think it and it's so. Anna needs therapy far more than Josh who just needs a divorce and an apartment in the city where he can party all hours of the night and day.

too bad,so sad said...

As I read the comments here I don't think anyone disagrees. What we are disturbed with as far as the Duggars are concerned is not whether all the kids live at home until they marry, or whether the women stay at home with kids. The problem is CHOICE! I can see families having wonderful lives with a working mom, working dad, stay at home mom or stay at home dad. What makes it work is looking at the positive and negative and making the right choice and knowing the family can change if what they are doing would work a better way. The Duggars and their ilk give no choice. And one size does not fit all.
Yes, I did look at the Lori Alexander blog and couldn't read more that the first overly egotistically blog post. Funny how she thinks of her group as the most devote and loving of people, yet can't write more that 3 paragraphs without vilifying someone. SMH

Willeyn said...

Has anyone seen Mike Huckabee's reaction when he was asked about the Duggar Family at a speaking engagement?

Willeyn said...

Here is the link to Mike Huckabee being asked about the Duggar Family. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mike-huckabee-duggar-family_56970d67e4b0b4eb759d3aeb

Upset said...

I have also been on her website. Some of the posts were nice ish, unfortunately I can't get past the posts that feel rather degrading to me. I am studying as a nurse and to hear that I need to stay home just erks me in a way. I guess that's why I don't read her posts... I also get annoyed with the fact she would post how "perfect" her children's marriages are. Anyways, my dad was a stay at home dad and it was great having him home. You don't have to be the mom to stay home and be a good mother (hope that makes sense) speaking from experience of a mom who worked full time. :)

Always said...

RE: Judy's comment about how Anna could be pregnant if Josh is away?I don't think there are many who believe he's been away the entire time without "passes home." Also, it been reported many times that Anna has visited him at the "rehab" having been flown there by John David of Duggar Aviation.

Lydee said...

Pleas make this blind item be Jana!!!...or Jinger even!

http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2016/01/four-for-friday-she-is-the-wild-card.html

Carole said...

FYI. WOOD furnaces are not green. The carbon emissions on an average sized one is equal to the exhaust of 20 cars running at the same time. someone in my development has one and the smell of overwhelming fireplace smoke every day is nauseating.

Esther said...

Jana works in the mailroom. We should all send her a belated birthday card and as a gift explain to her that she doesn't have to put up with JimBob and Michelle any more. she has been so sheltered she probably has no idea that she can escape or even how to.... Or that there are people who would help her.

sandi said...

Wow...I just watched the Huckabee video,and I was struck by the fact he wouldn't let the lady speak or say her piece.He interrupted her EVERY time.Every time.He also said she didn't know what went on,and shoved words in her mouth,saying she only read People magazine and the tabloids.How does he know? He wouldn't let her finish! I bet,like most of us,she read the police report.He also twisted the fact the Duggars let it go on for over 3 years,and claimed they stopped it right away.
So much for free speech in Huckabee land! He should have let her speak her mind and then answered,instead of shutting her up (because he had something to hide,imo) and twisting her words.JMO

Heart in Florida said...

I have asked the same questions about Jim Bob and Michelle regarding if this situation were to have occurred with either of their sons in law. How would have they reacted to Derick or Ben doing the same things towards their daughters? What if their own married daughters had cheated on their husbands? What would they do?
I bet there would have been quite a different reaction there.
Also, yes, I, too have stated it's not the daughters' lifestyles that annoy me so much, as they have NO CHOICE in any matters at all. They are limited in what they can and cannot do, think, choose, and believe for themselves. What would have Michelle done if HER parents limited her in such a way? She really has done a disservice to her own daughters...Jim Bob has also failed his sons so far as I can see. Why do people hold these two "adolescent, controlling" parents as role models? I'll never know.
Doesn't Anna realize that if she reconciles with Josh, even in the bedroom, that most of this country who knows anything about her husband's activities will think poorly of her? and that she is a doormat of the year? She would have accepted his "quite dirty body parts? and put herself at risk for disease. Some STDs take years to surface..she has no idea if she is healthy or if some of her children are too as a result. She really is a naïve, child-like girl who is in charge of 4 kids? Her own parents should hang their heads in shame if you ask me.

HardyHar said...

Re: Mike Huckabee and his Duggar rant. I guess I can't ask him about ISIS because I don't know them personally. I can't ask him about Trump because I don't know him personally. I can't ask him about Putin because I don't know him personally. The Duggars girls were molested by their brother first, then molested by their parents who put them on television for the world to gawk at. If they hadn't been on put on television by their parents first, they wouldn't have been in the media later. Enough said.

Ellyn said...

Yesterday I changed my cable plan & now, TLC & the UP networks are no longer included with my new cable plan. So, no more Duggars or Bates. The only draw back is I will miss the Little Couple show.

sandi said...

I'm guessing wood is the cheapest way to fuel the floor heat.I guess I should be surprised they didn't install solar panels,but am thinking they may be costly,idk.
Hardyhar,I was thinking the same.To say the lady had to know the Duggars in order to form an opinion,is just asinine,imo.One can read a police report and study the case to see what went on.It reminds me of Mr Spock on Star trek,telling Capt Kirk he could not speak to him about death,as he hadn't died and had no frame of reference in which to speak.JMO



too bad,so sad said...

I was horrified by the way Huckabee treated that woman. He was there for a Q & A. He needed to answer her questions. I am sorry she stopped when she did. I would have repeated his answer back to him about them handling it in a godly way and ask him right on the spot if he would have supported a Muslim, Jewish or Atheist family to handle it in a good way and not call them out for not informing the proper authorities.

As far as Anna, from listening to people in cults they amp up the "them" and "us." Anna does not care what we think. We are the unwashed heathens to them. Satan has invaded our minds and body.

As far of what would Jim Bob do if it was his daughter cheating. I think he would in private chastise her and in public cover it up the same as Josh. He would never, ever want any of his precious daughters to look impure. It's all about appearances, never about reality. JMHO

As far as CPS, I have had to call them and their hands are tied so much and if a case even goes to court often the judge makes a poor decision. I do believe as we try to get Duggars off tv we should also learn by what we have seen and make people who homeschool mandated reporters. They are not now mandated as all teachers, nurses, etc are. They still might not report, but then again looking at a consequence may encourage them to report. If they do not, like J & B, at least there would be a law in place for them to be charged.

Syndee said...

I was reading something about Elizabeth Smart, the one who was abducted. She mentioned the used chewing gum thing so I guess the Mormons (or at least that sect) use that line too. I am just flabbergasted that these views are so widespread. I had no idea. But I suppose it's only because of the internet that we can now learn about these conservative cults. Otherwise I'm sure we would have never heard of Lori Alexander and the rest of them.

If only we could use the internet to help them all....

sandi said...

Too bad so sad,I was horrified as well.Even Jim Bob is smart enough not to jump all over someone in public,as he knows how bad it wold make him look.
Being in a room full of "Yes" people to Huckabee,that poor woman didn't stand a chance.Most politicians are able to play the 'charming'card,even in the wake of opposition,by remaining calm and answering to the best of their ability.Huckabee couldn't even manage that.JMO

Esther said...

Wasn't Mike Huckabee the Arkansas Governor at one time? Why is it that it seems all of Arkansas wants to protect these people? I just don't get it.

Wondering said...

I agree with Heart in Florida re: Anna possibly having any dormant STD's. I'll bet neither she, nor any of the children have been tested. Jim Bob would never allow her to be tested. But when you think of it, that's a terrible chance to take as she could find herself in a terrible fix, if a dormant STD became active, & affected both her & a child she was carrying. If I were her mom, I would want her to at the very least get herself tested & continue the testing, as you will really never know with Joshie boy. On second thought, I wonder if her mom ever even mentioned anything such as STD's when those girls were growing up. The same goes for the Duggar girls. Apparently these girls are never taught bout such things. I wonder if Anna even knew about prostitutes?

LisaF said...

I am an Arkansan and NOT proud or want to protect the Duggar family. They need to just GO AWAY. I used to be a Huckabee supporter but am not now. I can tell you that most people find the Duggar family laughable and I can also tell you that they are not a typical representative of our state.
LisaF

Elspeth said...

One of the "news" reports that came out said that Anna had been tested.

Meme said...

LisaF I am with you, lady. I'm also an Arkansan and no, we don't all support the Duggars, Bill and Hillary, Huckabee or Gothard. Nor are we fans of illiteracy, inbreeding or meth - we just get those labels. I know that these things exist in places like NYC in greater numbers.

Always said...

If Anna has indeed announced to the family, that she believes she is pregnant, can't you just see it now? There they all are in the Duggars living room, with Jill & Derick on Skype. All the Duggars down thru Marcus & maybe Meredith just exploding in congratulations. Great big smiles,laughter all around ...another Duggar on the way. This will certainly be seen as God's forgiveness of any wrong done by Josh (ha ha). They will be back for their show & don't think they won't. Anna will again be shown giving birth, as Josh takes a nap after all he's been thru these past months. Jim Bob will be rallying all the little kids, to go & visit the new baby the moment it's born. Pass that new baby around to all those kids with the dirty rotten hands. Jim Bob will say he baby looks like him, which he always says. If my father-in-law said that every time a baby was born in the family I would think there was something wrong there. Oh well we just have to wait & see unless anyone wanst to start a pool on whether it's true or not?

Heart in Florida said...

I don't know if any of this M#5 news is true or could be true. If Anna did visit Josh at his facility I would think that a married couple, who have unresolved issued still between them, would NOT engage in that type of activity. How could any woman get in her husband's bed with these things still between them? There is something hugely "wrong" with that IMO. This is just my opinion, but I don't think, if this is true, that Anna has any real judgement at all. There are many ways for a spouse to acknowledge that they may still love their husband or wife without having sex. These people are way off the mark in that department.

Always said...

RE: Heart in Florida's comments. Yes you would think that would be the last thing on a married couples mind, when they were trying to work out their issues & trying desperately to save a severely damaged marriage.In my opinion, the time would have been better spent with both of them working with a trained counselor. I know this is asking a great deal, as most of us don't have a great deal of free time, but on the off chance, that someone does has have some extra free time, that could be used to look up some back episodes of 19 kids& counting, please try to find one where "sex" isn't referred to in some way, in every episode, either by Jim Bob or Josh. However we must not forget, that we are talking about the Duggars here. We'll check back with you in another yr. or so, to see if you have come up with an episode that may not include dry humping on the mini golf course, as well as the statements that "you can't kiss now, so we'll do it for you, side-hugs only. Oh Jill & Derick, at the reunion at the airport, got caught up in the moment & gave each other a frontal hug...but that won't happen again! Of course, we are all well aware that Jim Bob' references to sex are subdued, you'd have to look carefully, as he keeps his feelings about sex under control always repressing, his feelings even, if they all refer to sex(enter sarcasm here). How in the world do you continually preach purity, while you know full well, during the entire time, purity is not exactly what's going on under your own roof? Some people think love makes the world go round, but the Duggars believe sex makes the world go around. On the off chance that the Duggars or producers of their show might be reading this,I just want the Duggars to know, there's a huge difference between love & sex.

Judy said...

Unless it gets truly announced by Anna publicly, I don't believe she is pregnant. I don't think Josh has been home. I think she's seen him twice -- on Thanksgiving and Christmas and based on her pattern, she nurses exclusively for at least six months. It's very unusual to become pregnant while nursing full time before the baby takes food from other sources. My guess is that Josh will come after his six months is up -- it's been reported that this is a six month program -- and she'll get pregnant this spring or summer, once Meredith is closer to being weaned. I think we'll hear an announcement from Jill soon -- it's been nine months since Israel was born and he has started eating food. She's already proven herself quite fertile.

Ellyn said...

Anna's frontal lobe has never developed as it was never allowed too. Anna has no common sense or judgment. All thinking for Anna was done by her Dad, then Josh & currently Jim Bob. Anna is just a woman who is a baby factory nothing more. It's sad but true. For women of that caliber it's the way of the Gothard Cult!

Sharla said...

we aren't going to debate it, but please don't repeat the old saw or propaganda that exclusive nursing is a good method of birth control. I know too many people who have Irish twins because of falling for that one.

Andrea said...

I also wanted to add that early on, I remember Michelle stated that she realized she was pregnant because her nursing infant would fuss while nursing. I was totally aghast that she used this method as her first indications of pregnancy. Apparently the taste of the milk changes with pregnancy hormones. I agree with Sharla, exclusively nursing a baby is not an effective means of birth control. Also, agree with Judy, waiting for an official Duggar announcement, was going to write People Magazine cover, but don't think that will be happening any time soon for Josh and Anna.

Nana8 said...

I hope that I didn't miss someone else saying this but Jim Bob stated on the show a few years ago that he has the type of medical insurance where you can choose either a single or family plan. He said that he opted for the family plan and that it costs the same no matter how many dependants one has. He seemed pretty proud that he had out witted the insurance company.

Just Plain Offended said...

It's long past time for it to be illegal for television companies to feature children under the age of 18 on real-life reality shows. Acting is one thing, but minor children are not old enough to give their consent to have their private lives filmed and aired in this day of DVR, VCRs, YouTube, etc. This should just be the bottom line.

As much as I used to enjoy The Little Couple, neither should they be exploiting their children in this way. If one just counts the many seasons the Duggars and the Kleins have been on TV, it's easy to see how being on television becomes an addiction for parents and how hard it must be to say 'no' to pressuring companies like TLC especially when easy money comes pouring in without much effort.

None of the parents - Duggars, Bates, Kleins, Dillards, Gosselins, etc. - have any clue how the long term effects of having no private childhood, or having constant attention from film crews, et. al., will play out psychologically when their children become adults. It shocks me that one of the prices the Duggars have been willing to pay for fame and fortune is the public denouncement of their son and brother. I think Josh is a jerk, but I can promise you, if I thought my own son was a jerk, I would never go public with it and if it meant stepping away from the limelight, I would not be able to run away fast enough. I'd rather be homeless than turn against the child I raised and love beyond description.

Syndee said...

I find it kind of funny that Michelle would claim to just happen to notice she was pregnant by a change in breastfeeding. So what are all the cartons of pregnancy tests for then?

DixieRose said...

I checked Arkansas website for Midwives and it was updated November 2015 but Jill Dillard does not appear. The Deborah Query (??) one does for a license. Now they can't state she has one since I believe her test/certification was in September?

Not a Mocker said...

I find it kind of funny that Michelle would claim to just happen to notice she was pregnant by a change in breastfeeding. So what are all the cartons of pregnancy tests for then?
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I don't think it was her definite proof that she was pregnant. It would be something that would indicate to her that she could be pregnant and then she would go take a pregnancy test to conferm her suspicion.

too bad,so sad said...

Just Plain Offended-
To follow up on your post about the ill effects to children by being on tv, I think it is important to realize that in Hollywood there are laws to protect child actors. Those laws are not there for children in other states who according to the tv producers' statements are not acting and are not actors. So there are no regulations on when and how long they can film each day, there are no advocates assigned to them to make decisions for the child's best interest, as well as no teachers.
Since the Gosselins were on tv there has been an active movement to pass laws to help minors in the reality tv career. Little has been passed however.

Heidi ID said...

Just plain offended I can not agree with you more! For a long time I have also thought that if this were my family, we would NOT ever exploit the sadness and sickness of one for money or fame... Never... How sad it is that this family thinks so little of their son that they DO NOT care what the notoriety does and will do in the future to him, his family and by default, them... What sell outs- how sad....

Meme said...

I agree with the above comments about children not being able to give consent. I keep repeating myself on this blog but again, where are all the grandparents, in-laws, extended family, etc.? I know that many of them are drunk on the koolaid but many are not.

And it sure didn't take long for the family to sell Joshua down the river, did it? I detest Josh, but I am the mother of a son. I would NEVER allow my other children to do what those kids did on national television. We teach our children that you can say whatever needs to be said AT HOME. But nowhere else, not when it's family.

So much for how much the Duggars love their children.

Anna is not responsible for Josh's sins said...

What I find really hypocritical,is the Duggar family didn't want to be around Josh at Christmas,and was glad he wasn't there.
So they can't stand to be around him,yet they expect Anna to take him back,and live with him till death do they part? Seriously?

Chloe said...

Jim Bob & Michelle Duggar are impressed with their own ignorance.

Susie said...

Sure glad I do not live in Arkansas where it is normal to pitch wood into an outside furnace to heat your house.

Sharla said...

It isn't all that frequently used in Arkansas. Every house I've been in there had the same style central heating furnace that is used all across the country. There are alternate heating methods used all across the country also.

coleen said...

Does this mean that Joseph won't finish his college education?

https://www.facebook.com/duggarfamilyofficial/photos/pb.510067475793573.-2207520000.1453328687./762716727195312/?type=3&theater

How sad if his family pressured him to quit.

Murphy said...

Shouldn't be such a surprise. We all know that Jim Bob despises or rather hates education specifically any one who desires to pursue & earn a degree. With regard to Jim Bob & education, I believe Jim Bob's reason hating college stems from Jealousy because Jim Bob is more than aware that he isn't smart enough to be accepted into a college. JMO.

Patricia from the UK said...

It does make me laugh how the Duggars rejoice in their constant stream of offspring that are a result of unprotected sex yet they would condemn a pregnancy conceived by an unmarried woman who had become pregnant through similarity unprotected sex. If the Duggars babies are gifts from God surely the same God has gifted the babies of unmarried women. Can they not see the double standards and basic flaw in their argument????

Meme said...

Susie, come on now, it's 2016. WHERE have you been? I have lived in Arkansas for 57 years and had central heat and air just like you. As Sharla pointed out, we live like everyone else here, though there are those who will always look for alternative lifestyles. That happens all around the U.S., not just in my wonderful Arkansas. The Duggars clearly have an alternative lifestyle, wouldn't you agree?
My husband lived in Barbados and was asked by the locals if people from AR always went around barefoot. He looked at their feet and said, "not as much as they do here!"

Anyway, maybe the Duggars know something that I don't. I've never tried one of those alternative heating methods.

Patricia from the UK. said...

Historically there is a strong correlation between the rise of education in countries/communities and the decreased in such things as class structure and strict religious observation that subjugates sections of followers such as women. You can track the breakdown of class divides in the UK to the rise of mass education in the lower classes, as people become educated they were able to question and challenge the status quo. Similarly, you see that with religions that marginalise women, as people become educated they are able to read religious books and tracts themselves and realise what they have been let to believe is fact may just be interpretation. It is no accident that a lot of world funding given to countries such as Pakistan to educate rural communities is not used for that purpose or excludes women because religious leaders do not want women to be educated as they know this leads to people challenging the rules. BTW I only use Pakistan as an one example I am very definitely not a Muslim basher.

The reason for saying the above is to explain why Gothard/quiverful movement and therefore the Duggars are so anti the education of women. They know that if 'their women' are given access to education they risk that the lie of their one truth of what a woman's role is and how they should subjugate themselves to their father, husband brother etc will be exposed and potentially challenged.

Jim Bob does not want to educate his daughters out of fear that he will lose his total authority over them. So nothing to do with God, just the base human emotions of fear and cowardice. This is not religion its just the manifestation of unbridled male ego hiding behind pseudo Christian values.

Andrea said...

Ben Seewald Chats with FLAME . . . Should I or should't I watch? I mean, Ben talks racial tension in the United States. What profound insights could be got?! I'm actually not going to click on this because I don't want to feed into the Duggar's and their stupidity. Anyone who watched what to enlighten us to Ben's profound wisdoms? Also, following Duggar logic just hurts me head most of the time so why even try.

Always said...

I can't believe that the Duggars are so delighted that Joseph has left college in order to work in dad's business, & "perhaps" get a real estate license. What's wrong with these people, they won't even let a son get a college education? Must have been hurting Jim Bob's wallet or else Joseph probably started talking about things that are going on in the outside world & the Duggars said, that's enough of that!!

Wondering said...

Re: Coleen's comment. Yes I believe this means that Joseph will never finish college. The statement says he has left college to work in his dad's business & possible get a real estate license. This is the exact time or a young,single man should be attending college as he really isn't needed in his dad's business. So I believe the answer to the question is an unqualified "No" he will not return to college. I'm sure he was pressured by the family to leave& give up on a college education.

too bad,so sad said...

For the first time I went to the Duggar Family Facebook.
OMG-to me it looks like a parody site. Post of Martin Luther King, Jr. with a quote followed by lots of "wise man" and "amens", above it a brag about Joseph finishing a year at a college where dating someone from a different race is disallowed unless special permission is given by BOTH sets of parents.
Oh yeah!!! Keep Martin's dream alive Duggars!

Also said...

I just read that Crown College offers a one yr. program called : The Foundation for Christian Life. This allows students to earn a certificate that only revolves around Bible studies. It is the shortest & least expensive program. This sounds like it could possibly be the program that Joseph pursued. It only offers courses in Christian Studies, so don't look or him to transfer to Harvard anytime soon! You know it's really a shame that this young man is now at home again with the rest of the other boys that are reaching adulthood & their father has the means to send them to college to actually learn about the world, but reuses to do so. Perhaps he could have at least learned some vocabulary skills, maybe read some literature that's not Bible related. What a waste!

Laura Smith said...

I also wonder if there might have been an interest in one of the Bates girls and he went down there to see if anything would come of it. When all the Josh nightmare came to light, as well as the Bates tv show stuff, the Gil and Kelly put the brakes on it. Or she just showed no interest?

School Stuff said...

Perhaps Joseph quit college because of his inadequate home-schooling and couldn't keep up with his classes?






Anna is not responsible for Josh's sins said...

It says Joe is getting a CDL license.Is that required to drive the family bus? I can't imagine they would let him get a job driving a truck.That would be considered too worldly.JMO

Mindy said...

Or he's back now to "earn a living" so he CAN propose to the Bates girl??

Denisean said...

As good as "fellowshippers" as they are...I don't think the Bates want any part of marrying into the Duggar clan. I would be shocked if there were any courtships between the two families. At the very least, it would be a Duggar girl with a Bates boy- no way the Bates want one of their daughters marrying a brother of a child molester and cheater/porn addict. The Duggar sisters at least can be seen as victims, but I know I for one would be thinking- what if all the boys are like Josh? I would be shocked beyond shocked if Joseph or any of the Duggar boys (men?) marry a Bates girl. Also keep in mind that many fundie families are enamored by the Duggar's fame, but the Bates have their own fame.

Mindi said...

I don't know what type of license is required to drive the family, bus but I do know we have seen Jana driving the bus at least 3 or 4 yrs. ago.

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