Third Counting On Special: Counting One More, Sunday, December 27, 2015, 9:00 PM

Jill and Derick adjust to the challenges of their new life in Central America. Then it's finally time to meet Baby Seewald and find out if it's a boy or girl! When labor complications arise, Jessa is rushed to the hospital.

 60 Minutes

Ratings:  2.470 M viewers and a .82 rating.

92 comments:

Bobbi said...

In this third counting on episode, Third Time Is Definitely Not The Charm. Hopefully the ratings will again plummet. Please No More Gothard Cult Duggars!!

June Bug said...

Hope the ratings continue to plummet, and the show will be DONE. I haven't watched this disaster and I don't think I've missed anything.
Did see previews of the specials and The Duggars are still the Duggars. They're not what they claim to be, or what they used to be.

Just Plain Offended said...

ITA. The only way to send a message to these people is to ignore them. It's what they dislike the most.

pretty girl said...

who would watch it. i saw a video post about jessa in labor and see looks awful. I know she had no midwife there and no one but mom and Jana helping. They cannot pay anyone to do labor for this child no insurance and no money. so they would save money by using michelle and mom and Jill by skpe. She looks like she is in so much pain already. This family is a big fat disater and I would bet more bad news would be coming out again about them sometime in the near future. Do not watch them. They give Jesus a bad name and I do not think they are Christian. They are convicted they are. Heard anna sister priscilla moved to Texas.

Alicia said...

Although she may not be seen because of the complications, Jessa had the same fake midwife that Anna used. She runs around NWA delivering babies for the fundies without ever getting a proper education and licensing.

Heart in Florida said...

After listing to Anna speak about her "Josh situation", it is a shame that this woman still doesn't realize that she was the only one in her "marriage" with Josh.
She talks, but really doesn't say anything. When your sister-in-law asks you "how you're doing", one doesn't respond about it being an opportunity to grow closer to God...it's just not a natural answer. They aren't real, genuine OR honest; ie, why didn't Anna say what it was that she wanted to do, about making her situation go from a "mess to a disaster"? We can only speculate that she meant leaving Josh, but good producer would have asked her, ON CAMERA, what she meant.

Tori said...

There's lots of curiosity about Jessa's L & D so I think the ratings will be high.

TLC has figured out the timing in order to keep the viewers ... first "special" betting that folks would tune in to see what the show is like ... second show for everyone wanting to hear what Anna would say ... and now Jessa giving birth which we know went badly.

I think the show will continue.

Syndee said...

Yeah I agree, so much to be "rubbernecking" at. I am one of those, I can't resist tuning in to see the disaster of their lives. Now that we know they have no shame (especially by putting Anna on), I too believe the show will continue.

lizzy10 said...

I was never more then a casual viewer of this dog and pony show, but I've felt compassion for the kids born into the cult. I can't imagine being beaten for displaying curiosity for the world outside the blanket as an infant, being denied privacy all my life, told every day that I need an "accountability partner" with me at all times to avoid sinning. What must it be like to know you only have a few minutes weekly to spend with your parents? I'm sure some see Anna as a doormat, I see her as a victim; of parents who "trained her up" to be aquiessent
to anyone but herself and to in laws who perpetuate that idea. I feel sad for all 19 of the "blessings", not one of them will be assisted to reach their full potential or receive the counselling they so desperately need.

Cedric said...

There's zero Substance to the Duggar programs. They only know two subjects pregnancy & babies. Just as I boycotted the 2nd episode will boycott the 3rd. I would rather have root canal at least one is give an anastetic.

Always said...

I've seen an ad for the 3rd Jill & Jessa & counting on a network I did not think was any part of Discovery. It's the one where Michelle in her Minnie Mouse voice is saying on the 911 call, "mother is bleeding after birth." Then it's Jill's voice via Skype from Central America saying,"this can't be happening to my sister!" Yes it can Jill!! She has no professional or para professional attending the birth. Ben doesn't count, neither does Jana who was never the least bit interested in the doula training she was sent to, as an accountability partner to Jill, since Michelle was always saying, "we send them out in two's just as Jesus sent his apostle's out." She always made sure to stay out of the room where the mom was giving birth. Ben's mom, Guin doesn't count, because at least to the best of our knowledge, her experience is not as a midwife or even a doula, but a mom giving birth to 6 children. I believe we all know every birth is different, so if something goes wrong what is her experience or training ?I guess that leaves the real expert as Michelle. Now anyone who wants Michelle as the head of the birthing team, deservers exactly what they get, in my opinion

Just Me said...

RE: Syndee's comment. I know how cruel these words sound, but I believe there is a great deal of truth in them. Yes, the show will continue, but only if people continue to watch. Those who just had to hear what Anna had to say, is beyond my understanding, and I will never understand it. She is living with the Duggars, her kids are living with the Duggars. What in the world would she have to say against Joshua, while she's under the Duggar's control She is taking the entire blame on herself & praying that God brings her through this trial. Any woman who blames herself for the sins of her husband is just crazy, & I believe that those who listen to Anna would probably do the same thing...blame themselves. This is a man, married only 7 yrs. who was constantly, on camera was talking about how he & Anna kept themselves "pure" for their marriage night. They were constantly giving lectures to other young couples about the importance of remaining pure. I guess that only pertained to before marriage, after the ceremony all bets were off, at least for Josh. Anna not only loved Josh with her whole heart, she worshiped him & yet she is now blaming herself. I say again anyone who listens to Anna saying these things would do exactly the same thing. Maybe that's the reason they can't resist tuning in, because they want to know how to handle this situation when it happens to them. They are Duggars in training!

Syndee said...

Even though I am horrified that they are playing off of the scandals and that they threw their other sisters under the bus by pretending everything is ok now, I freely admit to not being able to resist tuning in. But it's because what they say is so ridiculous, so illogical, I just can't believe what I hear. I just have to see how many other ridiculous ways you can twist what is happening to make it seem not so bad. I also watch because I am fascinated by this "religion." Before my only exposure to religion was nuns in the Catholic church, and they really served the community selflessly. Now I am learning about these fake religions and I've discovered that calling yourself Christian doesn't mean anything at all, that the biggest hypocrites are sometimes "Christian." I am mad that they took away my pure faith in religion.

As an educated working mother, having done the typical amount of dating before marriage, I don't believe I am in any danger of behaving like Anna in any way at all. So no need to worry about me :) I know it's bothersome to hear that people are watching, but think about it, all of us are interested enough to be on the blog.

Anna is not responsible for Josh's sins said...

The problem I have with watching,and the reason I haven't,is that Anna is on the show.What does that mean? It means Josh is going to get that check.Anna is the wage earner for tlc for now.Maybe more,if the shows continue.
I refuse to participate in giving Josh any money.Anna was clueless as to the state of their finances;she had no idea thousands of dollars were being spent on Josh's dalliances.It's like giving money to a drug addict,and knowing what they are most likely to do with it.I refuse to join in.JMO

Berty K. said...

What # of viewers is a good versus bad #? I.e. How low does it need to go for them to pull the plug?
Does it matter if the rating is low if the # of viewers is still high?
Wondering and thought someone might know...

Always said...

Syndee, no one can take away your pure faith in religion unless you allow them to.

Jeanette said...

I really think the series is over. It ended positively. Anna seemed steadier and hopeful for the future, saying that it's time to "Breathe and start fresh." Her smile wasn't forced. The background/ending when she said this was when they were seeing Jessa's baby for the first time. Jim Bob kissed Michelle, but in a sweet way. He didn't leer at her first and then maul her. The family seemed excited and genuinely happy. A good stopping point.

Grace said...

Things I learned from watching this episode:
Ben has Jim bob hair
Anna draws words out "Aaaaannnnddd or sssssooooo"
Israel is not attached to jill, most babies will reach for their mom after being away from her and he didn't
Michelle and her frizzed hair managed to talk about herself
Jessa has that weird laugh
Jill is not pregnant
Jill managed to not say like very much or I just didn't notice

Captain Crunch said...

A third and (hopefully) final snooze-fest.
My observations: I think Israel prefers DerrickDillard over JillyMuffin.

I was impressed with Jessa's strength during delivery. Outside of her 'Ohhh this is painful' mutterings a few times, she remained tuff and focused. Everytime Anna was in labor I felt like was watching a tent-revival hallelujah meetings of folks dancing with snakes and 'can I get an amen' show with Annas 'praise Jesus' every 3 seconds.

Jessa indeed has a fake yet almost psycho-sounding laugh.


Rob said...

My response to this triad of shows. One word, ANGER! Angry that TLC and the Duggars had this side project all along during the recent scandals which was a lie that TLC had cut all ties with them. There's a saying that goes "everything old is new again" and we saw so much of 19 KandC in all of these episodes. Same themes, same family, different title. I really want to cry out loud in protest of the arrogant "Happy Family Vibe" they were trying to lay on us. We've seen this dog and pony show and I hate to say it but the little horse died from the beating. It's long past time to take it to the glue factory.

puddin said...

I have not watched any of the Jessa and Jill Shows, I am happy to say. I like this blog but refuse to up the numbers by watching ...what for...they will just keep them coming back...Good for all of you who Refused to watch. I totally agree with the posters who refuse to watch in hopes that The Duggar Clan will crawl back under the rocks.

Meme said...

Although I decided not to continue to watch the show, I still have family members who enjoy it - my sister watches it, etc. She called to chat and informed me that Mama Michelle was back on the program. Why am I not surprised?
Then I got to thinking about how suffocatingly "close" this family appears to be - everybody in the birthing room, etc. Remember when Michelle accompanied her GROWN daughters to the sex abuse seminar?
I've decided that the blanket training the Dugs are known for continues through adulthood. These parents are so afraid their offspring will cut and run if one of us outsiders says something which triggers independent thoughts. In other words, they don't trust themselves and/or their own parenting. Accountability my @$$.

It will interesting to see what happens with Jill and Derick's little son. Will it be cool with Derick for his child to be so controlled? The Duggars aren't really known for socializing outside of their own family except in very controlled situations. How will that play out when it's time for Jill to actually BE a missionary, sharing her life and CHILD with the natives? I don't really see how that is going to come together for the Dillard family.

Stephanie said...

I didn't watch the entire hour Saw the last ten minutes of the birth.
We're the seewalds in the episode at all?
Jessa needed blood is more serious than than they let on.

Mindi said...

Re: Grace's comments about Anna drawing out and & so. Anna has always done that when on camera by herself. It was often noted by bloggers, so nothing new with her.

How Ridicuous said...

I thought what little I saw in previews that Michelle's hair looks even worse than it ever did. Also, Joy appears to be letting her hair grow to her feet.

Wondering said...

Am I the only one who didn't recognize Derick's mom? I thought it was some lady they had hired to care for the house, etc. I thought she looked terrible. Before when we saw her, even when she was going through chemo, she had a blond wig & always looked quite young & very attractive. I didn't know it was her until she started talking about how she hated to leave her only grandchild. I wonder if she is ill again?

Just Plain Offended said...

Im happy to say I'm a staunch non-watcher, but I also have to admit that I stopped TV altogether a few years ago so it's relatively easy to stay away from the show. I do watch clips and read the tabloids though, hoping for negative coverage. Is readership and clicking on trailers a problem as far as TLC interpreting it as support for the show?

Captain Crunch said...

Im a three year cancer survivor. Having cancer and then going thru chemo and or radiation usually ages you quickly.

jlp said...

I too get upset that the parentals think they have to control all their children - whether married, single, boy or girl. The only friends are each other - never allowed access to the outside world alone. I mean who does that. I trust my children to make choices best for them because of how I raised them. Will they make mistakes, of course - but they live with the consequences of their adult behavior- no one else.

Denisean said...

I didn't watch it, yay! But honestly I had no desire to see Jessa in agonizing pain.

Re JoyAnna's hair... It is just as long as all the girls, but it is straight, so it appears very long, whereas the other's have curly hair so it appears shorter. I don't think any of them are "allowed" to cut the length, not including bangs.

Ellyn said...

Healthy management of ones hair is to cut dead ends. However Michelle's hair looks as though no care is going on. Michelle's hair is a huge mess & the length definitely ages her appearance. Yuch!

Bobbi said...

Happy to share that I boycotted the J. & J Counting. Just refuse to watch a program promoting a heinous Cult.

Andrea said...

Anyone else see Jessa with bangs? - shutter - She looks awful. She's morphing into Michelle. I'm actually frightened. What was she thinking? Did someone assault her with a pair of scissors?

Ben's comment about 15 sons. Ben sit down and shut the front door. Enough already.

Didn't watch, but that's because I don't have cable. Actually believe that reading this message board brings me more enjoyment than the TV show anyways. :)

Andrea said...

For those that wonder whether the show will be back. I predict 100% coming back on the air in 2016. I kind of recall Kate Plus 8 had to fall below 1 million viewers before TLC pulled the plug. Think the show will drag on for at least another 6 or so "specials". A couple more weddings, a few births (and potential deaths) and finally nothing. OMG I just had a terrifying thought, TLC surely won't film Josh's release from rehab? or Church jail of whatever you want to call it?! I just can't imagine how that would play out on camera and feel like 100% it would garnish ratings . . . sad.

cat said...

My sister's hair grew back gray and black after chemo, chemo and radiation is horrible to the body

Another Nurse said...

RE: Captain Crunch's comments.Congratulations, I'm delighted to read that you are a cancer survivor & doing well. As a former hospice nurse, I know that chemo especially ages you. However, I was always surprised whenever I saw Derick's mom Cathy, as she looked very well for someone who was shown when she was going through chemo treatments, as well as after she had finished her treatments. Perhaps she wasn't aware that they would be filming her there in Central America & wasn't prepared for the filming. No matter how much she wishes to spend time with her only grandchild, as well as her son & daughter-in-law, Its not a place where I would like to think one of the cancer patients I knew was heading after completing treatments. As you probably well know, you never know what infections etc. will crop up, because your body is in a weakened condition for quite some time after chemo. It can't be that long since Cathy finished chemo treatments, as she was going through chemo when Jill & Derick were married. I remember they were unsure if she would be able to attend the wedding & she was only there for the ceremony itself, complete with oxygen & IV's. I wonder what her husband & other son think of her being in Central America (we don't know where) after all she's been through. If she were a member of my family, I would want her close by for at least a year or more after what she's been through. I don't mean she shouldn't be enjoying life & doing the things she feels up to or wants to do, but still there's a big difference between that, & being in Central America. You have to wonder exactly what type of medical care she has access to there. It's one thing to be helping out if your son & his family live nearby, or in a town not too far away. However,she's been a long way from home if she ever had some type of relapse, & needed good medical care. It's one more thing you need to question about the timing of this "Mission trip," with Jill & Derick.

Mellisa said...

RE: Michelle's hair. I can't believe it looks even worse that it did before. Anyone else ever think that some animal is going to crawl out of that mess? How in the world does she get a brush or comb through that mess?

JenTru said...

I watched a few minutes in the middle and noticed something hopeful: a piece of tape over the Apple logo on Jessa's computer!

Heart in Florida said...

I was disappointed, yet again, with the "revealing information" about Jessa's delivery experience. They showed hardly anything, with all that hype about it, what a let down. They showed poor Anna, front and center with all of her TV deliveries, why do the blood Duggar girls get a pass? They also didn't ever say WHY Jessa bled so much. I still would like to know, medically, what happened?
Re: Jessa's never claiming to be a perfect family statement: well, YES, your family has indicated that passively over all of these years, dear. Your family's demeanor, "we know it all" lifestyle, which will produce "perfectly behaved children", etc, has spoken volumes. You and your family should be ashamed of yourselves for these past 10 years knowing what you have hidden from the world.

Wednesday said...

When do the ratings for this come out?

Murphy said...

I was actually surprised at how much they DID show of Jessa's delivery. We saw that baby come out, they just blurred her legs. There was a lot of blood.

Sharla said...

Ratings are behind due to holidays.

Dee said...

Andrea: I agree about the specials continuing for a bit.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if they did some sort of 'Very Special Episode' about Josh's homecoming. It's too salacious for TLC to pass up. I can just see the spin the Duggars will put on it: Josh is home and ALL BETTER. He and Anna will renew their vows and soon a new baby will be on the way. Shortly after the baby's birth it will be revealed that Josh isn't in fact 'all better' and has managed to find a way to have hook ups with ladies of the evening, in spite of having a whole gaggle of 'accountability partners' following him around.
The Duggars should just give up and go ahead and have a Kardashian style show. They certainly have the fodder for it and they will be guaranteed a heavily watched program once they stop claiming to be something they're not.

Roo Doo said...

This is the hallmark of a cult...lack of independence. Along with that comes no free thought or free will, lack of relationships outside of the cult (they will even make you separate from family, children, spouses who are "non- believers") and forced compliance up to and including corporal punishment. The thing is, these folks don't even realize that they are sequestered to the point they are. Or, at least, they don't see it because it's all they know.

As a teen growing up in the Orthodox Christian faith, we studied other religions in Sunday School so that we could understand better where our beliefs fit in the wider world of religions. As a result, I have a true appreciation for how my personal beliefs fit with the doctrine of the Orthodox church, as well as many of the other world religions. Some places they fit, some they don't. I feel this is extremely important to a developing person...to see both sides of the coin. In a cult, there is no luxury such as this. No introduction to the outside world. Nothing with which to compare it to build a personal faith base. Just a whole lot of "do as I do or you will burn in hell". Not exactly nurturing. I could never see the Duggars discussing other faiths or even sects of Christianity. Oh there is a definite hatred towards Catholics (and, by default, the Orthodox due to similarity). But why? Because we discuss "free will" and the idea that you are free to choose your own path with consequences when they arise?

If you believe other churches, it's all about following the path they lay out, but you are free to choose it or not. And you are personally responsible for your sins. Eve wasn't banished from Eden for coercing Adam into eating the apple...she was banished for eating it when she was specifically told not to. Just as Adam was banished for eating it himself. That's the part of the equation the Duggars (and similar cultists) leave out. Free will and personal responsibility for your own actions (and the consequences that arise). Eve wasn't punished for Adam's sin. She was punished for her own. And vice versa.

katieann said...

I confess, I caved in and watched Sunday's episode. A few observations: 1) I know couples and families hire professional photographers often these days, but "maternity photos" seem like a waste of money. I suppose Ben and Jessa's friend did the photo shoot for free, though. 2) What woman in her right mind wants the world to see her groaning in pain during the most intense part of her labor? I can't reconcile the Duggar's purported modesty with allowing a film crew to record what should be an intensely personal, even sacred event. 3) OBGYNs at the hospital where I work routinely give IV pitocin following delivery to help the mother's uterus contract and prevent bleeding. But there was Jessa at home with inadequately credentialed midwives, no IV access, and a frightening postpartum hemorrhage. That situation could have been much worse or even life-threatening. 4) I felt so sorry for Anna when Jessa asked her, "So, how have you been doing these past months?" Surely that was a scripted question, but even so it was obvious Anna was fighting tears when she answered.

I was surprised to see brief appearances by Jim Bob and Michelle in Sunday's episode, as I thought TLC had pretty much banned them from being filmed. There is no way the network will produce a special featuring Josh's return from 'rehab.' With his sordid history now public knowledge, he's ratings poison.

Meme said...

Katieann, THANKS for the medical info concerning Jessa's hemorrhage. I always felt that there was more to that situation. Michelle seemed to be trying so hard to downplay things over the phone.

Jak&Jil said...

Since everyone has been commenting about the girls' hair, I thought I would put in my two cents worth.

Yes, I agree with everyone about Michelle's hair and how old it makes her look. That was the worst I have ever seen it. There is so much gel/hair spray on it, it doesn't move. I think back to her picture in People Magazine and her makeover, and how pretty her hair looked. She needs another makeover quick!

Then there were the sisters and Anna cooking in Jessa's kitchen. All that hair hanging down the front of their shirts and preparing food. Yuck! I would never eat anything prepared by the Duggars.

Anyone think Anna has hair extensions? She normally has kind of stringy, thin hair, and now it is so full and long. If they are extensions, they look great on her.

I agree that there was more to Jessa just needing blood after her delivery. Does anyone think that the doctors at the hospital asked her why she takes chances with her and her baby's life by having the baby without any medical professionals around? Thank goodness everything turned out okay.

Mindi said...

RE:katieann's comments. First of all I didn't watch the 3rd episode, or any other episodes of Jill & Jessa & counting. However, I am not at all surprised that Jim Bob & Michelle were shown, if only for a brief appearance. Also regarding any type of special featuring Josh's return from rehab. When the first scandal broke following a lengthy period of time, it appeared that 19 kids & counting was cancelled, then the 2nd scandal broke, it certainly appeared for a short period of time that 19 kids was supposedly cancelled by TLC. But surprise they were actually back! I don't think most people thought there would ever be a spinoff featuring Jill, & Jessa. Now in the 2nd. episode, Anna has allowed herself to be featured, saying absolutely nothing of interest, or at least nothing new that hasn't already been all over social media. Now here they come; the master of the house & his lovely wife: Jim Bob & Michelle. They apparently have no problem putting their faces back on camera for the "fans." I cannot understand what makes anyone think that if TLC had no trouble bringing the these people back, & if they see the numbers high enough, & the money coming in, it's a sure bet that they will feel that "all is forgiven." Everyone has seen the tears, heard how they are "walking through this fire" & their lives are going on just fine. So I think it's a sure bet that eventually, the disgraced Josh will also show up. If people were so interested in seeing his sisters, his siblings, his wife & now his parents are appearing briefly, being brought in slowly, then it's for sure they see Josh as a huge ratings pull for an episode or even a continuation of the: "Beloved 19 Kids & Counting." People were so disgusted with TLC when they learned they hadn't severed ties with the Duggars, they never thought TLC would actually go this far with Jill & Jessa & counting. So based on what's already been shown, on TLC with the Duggars, I wouldn't for one minute count them out with bringing Josh back.

Captain Crunch said...

Thank you, I am very lucky to be alive and in reasonably good health.

My take on DerickDillards mom is that they had professional make- up crews when 19 kids was being filmed and thats why she looked better then while ill.

I also noticed that Michelles hair looked really bad (as if she did it herself including cutting her own bangs) and that she was not wearing her usual on-camera bronzer. My take is that the pro make-up crews were gone. All three of these 'Counting On' episodes had a different 'feel' to them. My guess is that the regular film crew was doing some other show and that these 'Counting On' episodes were thrown together rather fast.

mom in texas said...

I watched about half of this episode and while I saw none of the first two parts (I flat out refuse) I have a few observations on the 30 minutes I did see. First and foremost Anna has the saddest, most ingenuine look on her face. She seems like she's trying so hard to make everyone believe she is okay when she really is two seconds from a nervous breakdown. There were times when you could tell she wanted to burst into tears but forced herself not to. In particular when she was talking with Jessa, who was so flat and void of emotions. Jessa's conversation seemed so canned and scripted, like she could really care less about how Anna was feeling. It would be hard for me to go through something so traumatic surrounded by the family of the person who betrayed me. I would prefer to be with my own family. Anna doesn't work, her kids don't go to school, there is nothing that ties her to Arkansas. A change of scenery would probably do her good. I wonder has she seen her family at all throughout this ordeal?
Jessa's labor and delivery was hard to watch. Seriously. Jessa has never come off as maternal and seeing her pregnant and laboring makes me think she won't be vying for the Michelle 2.0 award! It almost, in my opinion, seemed like her pregnancy was a result of what she "thinks" she's suppose to be doing. Not because she enjoys pregnancy so much and can't wait to have a gang of kids.

coleen said...

per "Anonymous Jak&Jil said...
I agree that there was more to Jessa just needing blood after her delivery. Does anyone think that the doctors at the hospital asked her why she takes chances with her and her baby's life by having the baby without any medical professionals around? Thank goodness everything turned out okay.


12/29/2015 5:56 PM"

Did you notice that the midwife was not shown during the delivery? Rumor has it that the midwife lost her license some time ago.

Wondering Why said...

Based on these ratings of almost two & a half million viewers, is there anyone who doesn't think this "ministry," will continue on TLC? It just broke my heart to see how many people tuned in to view...absolutely nothing that they didn't already know. Sorry but I am through with anything connected with the Duggars. I'll continue to read the blog, but other than that, it's over for me. And for those of you who watched these episodes & gave them the ratings, please believe me when I say there absolutely will be an episode or possibly more than one, with Josh at the center. Maybe Sierra will plan, a "Welcome Home Party," for his royal highness!

Elspeth said...

According to the locals, Jessa didn't even use a previously licensed midwife. She used "Miss Theresa" the doula and Bradley instructor. Miss Theresa has never been a licensed midwife. She routinely bugs out of botched deliveries and none of the fundies will admit she was there.

Another Nurse said...

RE:Captian Crunch's comments. I agree that That Derick's mom had professionals doing her makeup in earlier episodes. That's why I made the comment about her not knowing about being filmed there in Central America. I don't think she's well at all. I do understand her wanting to be there with her grandson, but someone should have been watching out for her health. Most DR's I know, wouldn't want her traveling to Central America so soon after completing chemo. I just didn't think she should be in a foreign country where medical care is questionable at best. Obviously Jill & Derick didn't take her health into consideration when they decided to head off to CA, so soon after the scandals broke. All this talk about how worried thy were about her, especially Jill saying she might not make the wedding or she might not make it at all. What a stupid thing to say about a woman fighting cancer. The bigger question is; why did Jill & Derick pack up so quickly after their marriage & head to CA?
On another subject I'm delighted to know that you are doing well. Stay well, I'm sure you're an inspiration to many.

Windy said...

Michellle was talking about the Labor & Delivery DR saying that everything was fine. It would seem to me, that since Jessa was taken by ambulance she would have been in the emergency room at first, then possible transferred to a maternity floor. None of that was shown or mentioned, so who knows what actually happened. You never know with these people, they tell you what they want to tell you & nothing more.

Esther said...


I keep going back to poor sweet Anna on the pot, delivering her baby. The humiliation that poor woman has gone through since joining the Duggar Circus and freak show.


Since I haven't had any babies yet I am going to ask something that may be gross....but i am just wondering....

My friends said they had to take an enema or something before they got too far in labor, otherwise there is a good chance you are going to poop while delivering.

So....I wonder if the Duggars do that or if they just poop in front of the camera crew and everyone.



Mellisa said...

For one last time, I am going to say that there was no midwife for Jessa's birth. Her birth team according to Jessa herself was:Michelle, Jana, Jinger & her mother-in-law, Guin. I know many are saying they never saw her mother-in-law. I don't know because, I was one of the ones that refused to put more pieces of gold into Jim Bob's pockets by watching. However my efforts failed & I realized that, yes the show will now definitely continue. TLC doesn't get ratings like these, without giving said show the go ahead. Well for all those on the blog that tried so hard to stop this train wreck, I'm sorry that we failed, but we did. I never realized how many people that had so many negative views & comments about the Duggars would turn right around & give hem exactly what they wanted:HUGE RATINGS & A HUGE SMILE ON JIM BOB'S FACE!"

InVA said...

Does anyone know how long Josh will be "away"?

Has information been released about the name of the facility, it's credentials, etc?

There is an article reporting that Anna went to see John there on Christmas. Would love to have been a fly on the wall in that room!

Elspeth said...

Hopefully I won't have to keep repeating that they won't mention Miss Theresa since the birth went south and she isn't a midwife she just practices as one. She is extremely well known among the NWA fundies. Besides we know the holy Duggars never lie by omission or shade the truth.

dueit said...

Esther, It is not uncommon to have a bowel movement during labor. This actually happened to someone I know. I too wonder what the Duggars do if they don't realize this can occur. That would have to quite dramatic in front an audience/camera. Noway would I ever let a camera crew in my labor/delivery room!

Bobbi said...

Melissa, have not watched the 3 J & J counting episodes. Earlier today, I emailed TLC in very clear language, I exoressed my disdain of the Duggars & that NO I do not want them returning to TV. They are boredom personified & shame on TLC promoting the despicable, lying, heinous & dangerous Gothard Cult. The face of Gothard makes me want to Hurl!! Gothard such an ugly Creep!

Bobbi said...

FYI... You guys are probably already aware... On another blog, TLC posted a comment asking people to contact them & voice their opinion as to whether or not the Duggars should return to TV. Apparently TLC is behind the times. For several months now almost one year, I've judiciously emailed TLC pleading with them to Never return the despicable Duggars to TV. I always mention the Duggars are embedded within the Creepy Gothard Cult & that when TLC airs the Duggars they promote this Stupid & Moronic Cult. So when your time permits, please email TLC & voice your opinion as to whether or not you believe the Duggars should return to TV. Thank you.

KitKath1024 said...

Guys, please, this must stop. What will it take for it to stop? TLC simply does not care that they're perpetuating multiple forms of violence and discrimination against women, the dangerous indirect advancement of people like Bill Gothard and Mike Huckabee (who wants to put creationism in public schools,) and funding the lives of these fake, irresponsible people.

There's no way anyone can claim that this is their "ministry" anymore. They don't even pretend anymore, it seems. They know we know, and they're shameless; they just keep going.

Duggar supporters are so adamant about keeping them on TV because they see the perceived "attack" on the Duggars as an attack on their own faith and lifestyle. They can't let the other side win. Why else would they care so much?

The madness needs to stop. TLC, JB and M, and the older ones are all guilty of manipulating and exploiting for money. Hopefully they're never to be seen on television or otherwise in public again.

Wednesday said...

I am so upset that the ratings for this show went up, that I feel depressed today. I never cared about getting anything off tv until this family. I would love to know who at TLC is a Gothard and why the rest of the media is so into this. I think that cult has some scary and long reaching worm holes into media and politics. I am so tired of the mantra of supporters or even occasional fans, that I don't even need to read comments of supporters anymore - they always say the same thing:
At least their not the Kardashians.
They are a good Christian family.
Their children are well behaved.
The girls are so pretty. (As if that is the best a girl can achieve)
Josh was a youth and made a mistake. But he was forgiven.
The family went through counseling.
The children contribute to society.
Michelle is a good mother.
The family all likes the exact same foods and activities, and that is all they want to do.

Why can't this circus end?

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Zach'sMom said...

No there wasn't a midwife, but on the Facebook page of A Mommy's Butterfly Midwifery which is local to where the Duggars live and who Jill was going to use (but apparently didn't at the time of birth) stated that due to the questions they were getting about the birth they wanted to clarify that none of their staff were present. In the comments of that statement there were people saying (in great detail) that a doula named ms Theresa who has previously been featured on 19KAC was present and known for taking unnecessary risks and splitting when things go wrong so she can't be held accountable. The families cover for her. It was a really interesting thread to read, but mostly made me ill thinking of all the moms & babies with access to perfectly good pre/post natal care and labour & delivery resources that are taking such foolish risks! There is a moment in the birth footage when someone speaks to Jessa during labour & you can only see part of the back of her head, but she's definitely not a member of the family so called 'birth team' that Jessa mentioned in People.

Just Me said...

RE: Bobbie's comments. TLC is probably just doing that so they can say that when they took a poll it was overwhelmingly in favor of the Duggars returning. There's no way they are stupid enough to think that people want them back, especially when the time is nearing for Josh to return home from Mickey Mouse Camp. There's no way they would ever keep him out of any episodes, while his wife, children, parents & siblings remained part of the show.

Windy said...

Re: Zach's Mom's comments. It's exactly as I said, you never know with these people.They tell you what they want to tell you & nothing more.

Melissia said...

RE :Virginias comments. You're absolutely correct, everyone is entitled to their own opinion & the right to post it on the blog. I'm really sorry that my comments offended you, because I truly do care for all those kids, as well as the young adults living in the Duggar home & I was only trying to point out, when a show brings in the number of viewers that this one has, it translates into dollars. What hurts my heart is that these dollars go into Jim Bob's pocket. The kids always look like ragamuffins. They wear cast off shoes & clothes, while Jim Bob with 19 children has his own plane & many, many luxuries that his children don't have & probably won't ever have.He's making a fortune off the backs of his children & they don't even have a decent education, or a decent bed to sleep in. He would never have a private plane & all the other extreme luxuries he has, if he wasn't using those kids to get it. I know he has rental property, receives rent for a cell tower etc. But still those extremely, expensive, luxuries are off the backs of those poor uneducated kids. I believe that you & I are really both on the same page when it comes to the kids, but we're looking at it from different angles. I didn't mean to be mean or vindictive, but all I can see is the ratings translating into money in the TLC till & that will most definitely bring the show back.Early on the Duggars used Jill & Jessa, in an interview to smooth over the first scandal. Now they're using Anna, a mom with 4 children, one a newborn. They're using siblings & a wife to help them through an extremely difficult situation that their own son has put everyone in. My words may have been too harsh for some, but all I was thinking was, after these 3 episodes, nobody will know anymore than they already know, or what the Duggars want them to know, & if the ratings are high enough, the Duggars will get their show back, & I believe it will then slowly but surely start to include Josh.

Willow said...

I just don't get, and never will, why Jill, Jessa and Anna won't get good hospital care. Michelle did. The answer is obviously that they did it for TLC cameras, to make a good story, I guess. What other reason? There are some midwives allowed to work in hospitals if you want one. The other option is to get a GOOD midwife if you want to be at home. They could have had a good, licensed midwife at home and still had TLC cameras, so what is it???

Just to contrast, the 3 Bates grandchildren were born in the hospital. Erin and Whitney had a small amount of camera coverage, but not excessive. I don't think Alyssa Bates had any cameras at all. The show still went on and mom and baby were safe and had their privacy. Everyone on the planet knows what laboring moms go through. Its not news. We can see her wheeled down the hall and then see mom and baby later. Just give us the story, we don't need to see the grimacing and the toilet. Its disgraceful for the mom. The Bates, as usual, have a little more class than the Duggars - not much mind you, but a little more class. Oh, the other thing is the Bates family combs their children's hair and dresses them clean and neat. Poor Jordyn and Josie Duggar have hardly ever had their hair fixed neat and pretty. Wow, glad I got all that off my chest.

SHAME on TLC for exposing the Gothard cult and bringing money to its members. They should at least offer a show about survivors who left the cult and get some opposing views.

InVA said...

I will NEVER understand why these people reject hospitals, doctors, modern medicine and consider it a badge of courage to have their babies at home with not even a licensed midwife to oversee the birth of their children.

If getting pregnant and having babies is the priority of their lives why wouldn't they put all the odds in their favor and make sure to put themselves in a position to be able to do it again as soon as possible, since that also seems to be their top goal.

Why do they feel the need to suffer through birth? As if it makes them any less of a worthy person?

I do not understand and never will. When you get down to it, tt's complete ignorance and stupid pride. That's it. There is no other reason, right?

Roo Doo said...

InVA:
It's part of a sub movement within the Quiverfull life. It's eschewing all medical aid to put God at the helm of all aspects of their lives. Putting a doctor in charge of the birth is, in their minds, putting the doc ahead of God and His will. They subject themselves to needless pain and potential tragedy all in the name of God. But what they do not grasp is that maybe, just MAYBE, God's will is being worked THROUGH the doctor. Like Josie...it can be very easily seen that God worked through the doc, nurses and hospital staff to save MeChelle and the baby. If it's ok for medical intervention in that case, why not with all births? Granted, MeChelle didn't have home births for all of her children. Maybe because she realized that it was so much safer for her (after so many births) to have a doctor and fully staffed hospital at the ready. Or maybe she doesn't fully ascribe to the home birth scenario.

I've posted this link before...it helped me to better understand the whys behind their thought processes in this regard. I hope it helps you, too:

http://religiondispatches.org/my-womb-for-ihisi-purposes-the-perils-of-unassisted-childbirth-in-the-quiverfull-movement/

I also googled "Quiverfull unassisted birth" and found a ton of information on this movement. It's archaic and takes a MAJOR step backwards in maternity care and reversing infant and maternal mortality.

What I don't get is this...certified nurse midwives have hospital privileges. You can have a CNM deliver your baby in the hospital with full access to everything necessary for a safe delivery and aftercare in the event of an emergency. But when you use a "midwife" who is not certified or fully trained, and you INSIST on their being in charge of the delivery, you are not able to utilize hospital aid.


Kimberly said...

I really don't think TLC cares at all how many times people email the and express their disdain for the show when they are scoring big ratings. They have plenty of viewers and would probably say that if the show distresses someone that much they should strongly consider changing the channel. TLC's problem, though, is going to be recruiting new sponsors. They did seem to have more the third special, but if they don't get more, they won't be able to afford the show.

DOUBLE Misplaced Forgiveness said...

I think tlc pays more for home births.It gives them more access to the mother and baby.
When Jessa said, "I can't do this", when in labor,and wanted to go to the hospital,the response she got was "Are you sure that's what you really want?". Answering someone with a question is being defensive.There was an agenda to keep her at home.And that was $$$.JMO

Syndee said...

I, too, agree that the show should be off the air. But when I came to the realization that it's going nowhere I cracked and watched it too. The ratings were quite high and now with the teasers that Anna is reuniting with Josh, will have that 5th baby, Josh's upcoming trial, etc., there's no doubt this show will continue.

I can only hope there is a silver lining in all of this. Before, everyone used to watch the show because, oh what a cute family and all those well behaved happy kids who love God, etc. Now I'd say it's a safe bet that a large segment are watching these new shows just because of the drama and the cringeworthy nature of their actions. They should shut up for their own good but they keep exposing themselves and everyone is interested because they're waiting to see what horrible thing they do next.

Maybe this exposure is good. In the InTouch, People, etc comments, there is now so much discussion about how they suppress women, discussions about blanket training, child molestation, incest, links to articles about Gothard, all sorts of things. Many people comment that they knew nothing of the Duggars or Quiverfull until this scandal. If they Duggars had just been quiet and gone away, their actions and how the girls are treating their babies woudln't be in the news. (Jill is getting reamed for possible blanket training lately.) The power of a cult is in its secrecy. I hate that they're making a lot of money off of this, but the exposure of their cult may be its downfall. We can only hope.

cat said...

Meredith is not a newborn . For that matter, neither is SPURGEON.
The neonatal period ends at one month of age

KimmieH said...

The fact the Duggars disdain medical care is comparable to the Christiian Scirnce faith as they too rely on God for medical issues.

sheila said...

Hi- several observations - there are so many reasons people are throwing out to explain why they do what they do, such as unassisted, home births and many others. I agree with just about every reason given. However, I think the main reason is that they make their own rules, call it it something different (such as courting vs. dating) and thereby establishing they are much better than everybody else because their way is correct and more godly. It is all about vanity, pride, manipulation, dishonesty and indeed these people are absolutely shameless. Modesty, modesty, modesty... We side hug, do not kiss, have chaperones, wear dresses, focus on countenance (because we are so much more godly than you are), but when the price is right we will gladly exploit our daughter's and daughter-in-law's body during childbirth. We all know that SOMEBODY is filming this for TLC so they are seeing their "lady parts" up close and personal.... Think about what they show us, blurred out, of course, but they have a a STrANGER who sees it all. How inappropriate is that? How can they hold all these beliefs, while justifying having a camera crew involved in such an intimate occasion. I personally would only want my husband on "that end" of the bed of course with medical staff... But I would not want my mother to be actually watching my child be delivered. (Just my comfort level) but my point is it would be utterly unthinkable to have a TV camera crew in the room at all, especially watching the baby come out. I don't get it. Their justification: because MONEY. Shameless.
Regarding the topic of the possibility of Josh ending up on the program, it disturbs me to the very core of my being, however I do agree with some it just may happen. Josh thinks VERY highly of himself. Does anyone remember the conversation he had with Josiah after he announced his courtship with Marjorie Jackson? He was giving Josiah advice about staying pure and how he and Anna were able to follow the courtship and stay pure until marriage. It is important to point out that this conversation took place right before the molestation came out, and obviously before he got caught cheating, but my point is he was giving this advice WHILE HE WAS CHEATING! The man has no conscience. Apparently he is a pathological liar as well as a pedophile. He is not sorry or going to be fixed. He also added to Josiah about how handsome he considers himself to be. My point of saying all this is because he has no shame, can lie and manipulate so well and is so delusional that he may just walk out of "treatment" and put his face out there and fully expect in all his "wisdom and godliness" express how he has changed and become closer to the Lord. And of course how humble he has become. He is so taken with himself and has been so successful at leading a double life and lying that I'm guessing he will expect to fool everybody again and convince the world of his absolute change and repentance. And of course, just like his parents, he will do it because money. Shameless, disgusting and I know he is a lying snake who is dangerous in more ways than being a pedophile. I believe there are more levels of evilness that we don't know about yet.
Wow, this was a long post. sorry everybody. I feel better now, though. Happy New Year everybody!

cat said...

He sang his own praises to Josiah? Well, my my As Lt Joe Kenda would say We do think highly of ourself, now don't we?!
The gall of the creature knows no bounds Truly an odious being I refuse to call him a Man
Btw: since it's unlikely anyone will hire him, what is he going to do to support his 5,6,20 kids DumbAnna will insist they have? Or is JimBob taking them all on like he is now doing with the SEEWALDS?

Always said...

Thanks Sheila. You have hit the nail on the head when it comes to Josh. I agree with everything you said. I never saw the episode where he was giving advise to Josiah but it sounds exactly like what he would say. How in the world does he consider himself handsome??

Just Me said...

Excellent post by Sheila. I had forgotten all about his advise to Josiah. It's enough to make you sick to think he was saying all those things while leading a double life. It would have to have been while he was cheating on Anna, because if I remember correctly, it's not that long since Josiah was courting. How in the world can TLC even think of continuing this farce of a show. Certainly they can go back & review these episodes & see just exactly what a how much Josh has lied. I too think the show will come back but I'm not sure all of the fans that wanted to see Jill & Jessa will want to watch, if Josh is included.

nancyr said...

The Duggars are back, and with two and a half million viewers, the advertisers will soon follow. People love the drama, the hypocrisy, and the Duggars have it in spades. So, just sit back, relax and enjoy the faith based, evangelical circus of America's kookiest cult.

nancyr said...

Is Josh Duggar handsome? With his thinning hair, puffy face and bloated waistline, Josh Duggar is extremely unattractive, especially for a man still in his twenties. But if you look at photos or videos taken a dozen years ago when Josh was in his mid teens, when he had all his hair and was of average weight, Josh was arguably better looking than most boys his age and much better looking than any of his brothers were (or are) at the same age.

http://i0.wp.com/www.nobohnsaboutit.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/DuggarsAges.jpg

Dar said...

I have not watched the episodes with Jessa and Jill. It was reported that Anna and her family spent Christmas with Josh. Apparently, Josh is not allowed to leave that facility (whatever it is). She has forgiven him. I cannot get my head around that. If it was infidelity, She could probably justify taking him back. I hope someone from Child welfare keeps eyes on her little girls. How could she knowingly put them into jeopardy? It seems even with all the girls in the same room, he found a way.

I can't understand putting the fox in with the chickens. I will never watch this show, however it is presented.

puddin said...

I agree with you Nancyr...Josh looks older than his age. Guess its all that tatertot casseroll and romps with strippers, and sneakin' around.

Roo Doo said...

There is way too much money to be earned by TLC in this drama, and JimBob too. I can almost spell out what will happen in the show's triumphant return:

Josh, the prodigal son, returns to the flock a better man. He and Anna reunite and have their "sweet" vow renewal. Baby #5 is born. Anna is blissful in that she is able once again to bring forth another arrow for Josh's quiver. And Josh is blissful because his life is back to normal--but emphasis is placed by the powers that be--on his continued "healing") without any further damage to the family, emotional or otherwise. No court cases are discussed and he wins. He is welcomed back into the flock.

A Duggar and a Bates finally begin courting. Is it Jana? Is it Joy-Anna? Or is it one of the multitude of Duggar males between the ages of 15 and 25 who are yet unmarried? Either way, the two families are finally joined as they begin another "sweet season of life".

Jim Bob and Michelle try to adopt but run into problems with the regular agencies. They wind up in CA, at Mama Carmen's orphanage (under the guise of a visit to see Jill, Derek and Izzy) and are able to adopt a toddler. Convenient that Jill and Derek visited there in the last episode of Counting On, isn't it? And that the number of children at the home was mentioned 3 times.

I'm going to go and put my crystal ball back into the closet now. :-D



mickey said...

I agree, and I can already predict the "plot". Anna will be pregnant and crowing about how awesome her marriage is now. Jill and Jessa will be pregnant, and at least two Duggars will be in courtship, planning marriage.

Sad that their lives are scripted for maximum ratings value. Sex sells, and the Duggars are obsessed with sex. That this is "branded" as Christian, is irrelevant.

MR said...

Roo Doo, it is scary at just "how spot on" your predictions may be. I can see all of that happening! Uggh. I just can't believe that they are going to get away with having a spin off.

InVA said...

Roo Doo, thanks so much for the explanation of quiverfull attitude towards birth and God's role rather than the importance of a doctor. Very helpful.

Makes me wonder if they Duggars have any friends who have lost their baby (or the mother in labor) due to this approach. Guess it goes back to when things are that dire, God is allowed to work through the doctor. Amazing.

Cindy said...

I watched the first two shows, but I could not stomach watching the their episode. And no, I will NOT watch any future shows.

Apple Annie said...

I understand that Ben & Jessa decided to have their first kiss in the privacy of a back room of the church but what I find very odd is that they choose to televise Jessa in full blow labor and all that goes along with it....Hmmm one would think that would be the thing that should have not been filmed and keep those moments private.

Heart in Florida said...

I found the "Jessa in labor" part of the show not much at all. It was Anna who was truly exposed during her labors and deliveries like no other female in that family,...Michelle, Jill OR Jessa. Those weren't shown hardly at all. Once again, Anna endured an indignity because of the Duggars. Realize, Anna, that you are NOT a blood Duggar and never will really be Number One.