Second Counting on Special, Sunday, December 20, 2015, 9:00 PM

Baby Shower & a New Home

(60 minutes)

Ratings are in with a nice drop:  1.895 M viewers and a .69 rating. 

116 comments:

Bobbi said...

Second counting. Ok just can't wait for that episode. Will not watch the 2nd counting train wreck & oh yes the continual "Like Fest". Just really Boring!

Katie's Mom said...

Bobbi, I continue to admire you, & you unfaltering quest to try & get the Duggars off TV. I too am still writing, emailing, anything & everything, that might help get this train wreck of the track. Sadly, I feel this is going to just continue as long as the money comes in. I've said all along:"Follow the money." Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse, along came Jill & Jessa & counting. Now people can't wait to see Anna. Nobody seems to believe that they are not going to see or hear anything that hasn't already been out there in the press.I truly wonder just what they saw last week in J&J & counting that was completely new to them? In particular, I'm upset about the people that I thought really did lovingly care about the Duggar children tuning in & giving them very good ratings. In my opinion they continue to support Jim Bob & Michelle, thereby hurting the children. The only thing that tops the people that deliberately tuned in, is someone who say's I hope I didn't contribute to the ratings, since I had the show on my TV, but I wasn't watching. What were they thinking? When you're discouraged remember that you have many supporters & I am certainly one of them & I always have been. Keep up the good fight, as sometimes things do work out for the best!

Willow said...

What's the new house? Am I missing something? Are they talking about Jessa and Ben? Didn't they move in Josh's old house right after they got married? I will not watch anymore, but am just wondering if they moved again? Wow, fundie baby showers have been done, done and done already, right? Amazing. I can't wait to MISS seeing Sierra's work again. Don't know that she is in it, but just guessing. On another note, does anyone else check Instagrams like I do? This Joe Donaldson, the furniture store owner, who is friends with the Duggars/Sierra, was at the Republican debate the other night, apparently hob-nobbing with the likes of Wolf Blitzer, Wayne Newton, etc. WHO is this guy for real? I thought he was just a local Arkansas furniture store owner (?) Sierra's husband works for him. Anyway, I had been thinking about how the Duggars were probably missing out on all the political junkets etc. this year. I wonder if they are really missing out, or if they are just keeping it on the down low. Oh well, that is all the time I am devoting to Duggars and Company today. I have Christmas baking to do! Hope you all are enjoying the season right now as much as I am.

P.S. By the way, Joe Donaldson and his wife were in LIttle Rock recently, and I am pretty sure it was the same day one of the Duggar planes was in LIttle Rock, but don't quote me on that as I am going to try to look back and see if the dates match. Not a big deal - they are friends after all - but just a little interesting tid bit.

Gracie said...

It will be interesting to see what the ratings will be for this one. The first one probably got higher because of curiosity, but like a lot of reviews stated it was boring, but this one has the carrot hanging over everyone's head of Anna speaking!
I don't have cable so I haven't watched but I do have to say the curiosity to watch is there if I did have access to the station.

Anna is not responsible for Josh's sins said...

Jessa and Ben didn't move;they've already done the house reveal on 19KAC.Yawn.Nothing new here.The old mold house fixed up.Another boring baby shower

Bobbi said...

Katie's Mom,Thanks for your words of encouragement. I've always believed that The way in which Jim Bob & Michrlle are raising there children is comparable to whatay be a prison environment. Each Duggar kidding on the compound & the 2 married daughters march to the beat of or are brainwashed by that SOB & creepy Jim Bob. In essence what these two jokes of parents are doing is Criminal behavior. This is why I will never back down but continue my mission to contact the TV networks for the purpose of permanently Deleting & removing the Duggars & for that matter the Bates from TV. Promotion off a sick, stupid, & heinous Cult should never be allowed on a television network.

Willow said...

I agree with you Bobbi and I have contacted TLC myself. Its hideous. Young teen "fan" girls idolize the Duggars and they have no clue. I think that in itself is just so wrong.

Krissy said...

Probably Jill and dericks Central America home

Krissy said...

Has anyone else noticed it looks like Anna is having to share a room with the older girls in the duggar home? I noticed this on one of the previews, poor girl

Wampascat said...

Jim Bob bought the house next door (another McMansion) where they went swimming. That's where Jill and Derrick were staying and the talking heads were filmed. Benessa is living in the old Josh and Anna house and Jill's old house is on the market.

Kristi from United said...

I am dreading tonight's special because my husband wants to watch it! I watched last week's and was so disgusted I erased it from our DVR before he saw it. It was a yawn-fest and 80% scripted with camera angles pre-set for conversations between the 2 couples (even at the baby store). I have 2 reasons for my disgust:

1. Josh's behavior is absolutely a reflection of his father. Jim Bob has been making gross, inappropriate, sleezy highly-sexualized remarks toward "Mama" in front of even the smallest children. Even if he hasn't necessarily strayed outside his marriage, he treats Michelle like prey and he's a sexual predator. Why would anyone be surprised that Josh looks at women exactly the same way? Anna needs to get out from under the roof of this horror show and file for divorce, alimony, full custody & child support. Turning a mess into a disaster would be continuing to let the Duggars control her destiny, as well as those of her children.

2. I'm deeply concerned about the poor decision-making skills of Jill & Derrick. To take baby Israel to Central America is not only irresponsible, it's endangering that baby's life. But then to go on national TV & announce to the world that they're doing this is downright stupid. Drug cartels control most of Central America and they use kidnapping & ransom as a means to support their their supply chains & to grease the palms of local politicians & police. Do they actually think this is an appropriate place to take their baby??!! It's one thing to put their own lives on the line — as well-known American TV personalities they would be valuable targets — but it's quite another to endanger that poor child! Jill & Derrick said during the special that they understand how dangerous and violent Central America is. If that's true then they are knowingly endangering Israel's life. I hope and pray that Israel remains safe, and that when he gets back to the U.S. (with his passport sitting out in the open for anyone to grab) that Child Protective Services is waiting to rescue him from these fools.

I'm a retired international flight attendant and I was almost kidnapped here in the U.S.! Human trafficking is a huge problem worldwide right now, but a gigantic problem in Central America (along with kidnapping for ransom). I gag when I see these fools "playing house" but I absolutely cringed when I heard them announce such an irresponsible decision—on television!

Dee said...

Kristi from United -
Simply put, Jill and Derick don't care. Them going on their vactionary trip was a way to try to shift attention from the Josh scandals to something else. It's so transparent as to be laughable.
I honestly don't think Jill has any common sense or real maternal instinct for that matter. Derick has become a Duggar pod person.
They probably think the risk of kidnapping is worth it because of the press they are getting. Heck, if a kidnapping (heaven forbid) occurred, they'd probably be able to eke out another 'special' with Jill jabbing her fingers in her eyes to try to coax out some tears.
This family is all about the monetary bottom line and presenting themselves as righteous. Their delusion is strong.

Anna is not responsible for Josh's sins said...

Can CPS do anything about Israel being taken to Central America? I'd like to think so,but it isn't illegal.
I think there are worldwide travel warnings out now,due to ISIS,but that involves all countries,not just C.A.I hope they have good security.Like a gunman at their door.
In the promo,the show looks rather boring.Derick is walking to class alone,while Jill stays home with a fussy Israel and tries to learn with a tutor at the same time.Why not just have a scheduled nap time for him and study then?

Ellyn said...

Kristi, Thankfully you were never kidnapped. You are correct in that Jill & Derick do not care. I think these two have the brains of pulp. The safety of Israel is not a #1 priority with these two numbskulls. Still believe they are not missionaries but on vacation. Yet Knowing the Duggars are in the Gothsrd Cult TLC continues to film them. Also I don't believe that Jill will learn Spanish. After all she wasn't smart enough to complete high school & her grammar & vocabulary mirror that of a 6th grader at best.

too bad,so sad said...

Dee-
I don't think that Derrick and Jill are just choosing money and a trip over safety, I also think that they are unable to make well thought out decisions. It is like they are novices at making decisions, any at all let alone a serious decision. Did they choose a career? No! Choose where to go to school and what to major in? No! Choose where to live? No! Choose who to marry from normal interactions with others and dating? No! I really don't think they even have made the everyday decision of what to eat for breakfast. Even that was made for them.

They on one hand have been indoctrinated to believe the outside world is evil, and on the other they have been taught that they follow the true religion and with that God will protect them over all others. They have nothing to fear because-Jesus loves them best and will protects them. Taught all their lives to just trust in the Lord.

Like very young children they are unable to predict beforehand the possible/probable consequences of their choices and therefore can not understand the potential risks. They seem to take no safeguards to keep themselves safe.

Elspeth said...

Derick doesn't have the excuse of never having made decisions. He worked for earned Eagle Scout. He selected a university albeit the one his father attended. He picked and completed a major and chose to go to Nepal. He chose to get involved with the Duggars when he had other options.

Murphy said...

Well Jill is too immature to think of scheduling Israel a nap time when studying Spanish. It's children raising children. Jill & Derick just clueless on so many levels. Poor decisions is their montra.

Leia said...

Re the 2nd counting on episode. Everyone knows that Spurgeon was born Nov 2015. Why subject viewers to Jessa in labor before giving birth? It's not entertaining. Obviously the management or decision makers if TLC have their heads in another part of their bodies. Nothing about Jill & Jessa is interesting, entertaining or worth my time to watch Fundies promoting the sick & heinous Gothard Cult. Choose to Eliminate watching this train wreck.

Bobbi said...

Elspeth, I somewhat agree. However, once Derick married Jill, he began traveling the road of embracing the decision making process up to creepy Jim Bob or rather was forced by addle Jim Bob to do so. JMO.

Cedric said...

So the 2nd counting on yawn & like fest is on again this Sun evening. Won't watch. Will watch football or Christmas films. Just not interested in watching the children of the Gothard Cult! Not happening.

Meme said...

Does anyone know how many bedrooms are in the Duggar compound? Anna should at least have a separate room for herself and the 4 babies. So completely, typically dysfunctional.

Great input, Kristi. Again, WHERE are the thoughtful, reasonable people in these families? Is there no parent or grandparent willing to speak up and say, "hey, it's not a great idea to take the baby (or yourselves) to Central America?" Such vacant people. I have never expected any critical thinking skills from JBob or Michelle but Jill and Jessa have in-laws now! Don't these folks have anything to say?

Girlfriend said...

I apologize. I made a mistake after refusing to watch that sideshow last Sunday I was surfing my on Monday and could not believe the freakshow was on. I figured since I had accidentally landed there and now it counted (phooey) I would go ahead and watch. Not watching tonight and will be very careful to use the guide on my remote from now on.


I don't care to see poor slow talking Jilly Bumpkin "speaking her words".!

Dee said...

Too bad so sad, I can kind of buy that about Jill, but not Derick. He's from what appears to be a semi normal family and has some life experience. He seems to have given all that up in deference to Jill and her family though.

Leia - good question about watching Jessa in labor. I think TLC is just recycling the old 19K&C formula for the die hard fundie fans. We saw Michelle in labor with her kids, Anna with hers, Jill with Israel. There was no way Jessa 'Look At Me' Blessa was going to not have her L&D moment in the spotlight.
These girls have been raised by Daddy Duggar to be hungry. Too bad they don't get that they're dull as dirt.

Nana8 said...

Living with the in-laws, Anna?!? No Hope. I bet Josh has a big Ole nasty smirk on his face.

Nana8 said...

We have a ton of missionaries here and it's pretty common for them to have whole families there. The lodging depends on the country you land in.

too bad,so sad said...

I appreciate the correction on Derick and his experience. I don't watch the show and only read articles here and other online sources. I must admit I lack knowledge on the background of many of the show's "personalities" (I don't think they are celebrities)

I will just share a little saying we had where I worked that became almost a mantra: Children grow up best when parents grow up first.


cat said...

In regards to inlaws speaking up, they are just like the Duggars, Derricks mom seemed normal and I almost thought the same about Ben's, especially when Michelle told her she would be a grandma in less than a year, she kind of freaked, but Michelle called that one. They are all the same, just dont show it

What a world said...

I didn't watch the show tonight, and don't feel like I missed a thing. I did see one of the previews showing Jill and her Spanish teacher. Did anyone notice that the only Spanish word Jill said during the whole scene was "si". She is a fast learner, eh?

Andria said...

None of the children have been educated or allowed to go to college. Anyone who lives in the real world knows the lack of high school diplomas and degrees will haunt many of them the rest of their lives. Homeschool by unqualified church moms is not education. Jim Bob won't allow his girls to go to college but wants them repeatedly impregnated starting at a young age. Great Guy

Judy said...

Why does Derick get to go out to his Spanish class while Jill has to stay home with Israel for hers? Why doesn't Derick stay at home for his too, if it doesn't cost any extra?

Judy said...

I just really feel sorry for Anna. She truly believes God told her to be with Josh, and that means she has to be with him. She also speaks about his actions in very passive voice, never saying, "Josh did this," or "Josh did that." She almost seems like he isn't responsible for his own actions.

And living in the girls' room? That is so unbelievably pathetic. It looks like she has a little privacy with a wall built out of boxes or something, but all those girls, from Josie on up, are being subjected to multiple wakings a night of a baby crying to nurse. How fair is that? And where do her kids sleep? Are her boys in the boys' room while Mackenzyie gets to sleep with her in the girls'? This is so dysfunctional.

DJ said...

Did anyone else notice that we heard Derrick speak Spanish, although a little, but we never heard Jill speak any throughout the entire episode. The spanish lady spoke English very well, but I thought they were there to learn the language, Spanish should be the only thing spoken.

Also, wasn't Grandma Cathy there in C.A. with them....why couldn't see watch the baby while Jill was taking her lesson? And why would Derick go to one class and Jill another....what dumb planning.

Andrea said...

I agree Judy. It's beyond pathetic that a women could go from owning her own home to having to share a bedroom with her child aged sister in laws. What is she thinking? Wampascat above wrote that Jill's old house is on the market for sale. Why are Anna and her children not living there? Perhaps she doesn't like the idea of living alone, but women grow up. Deal with the hand your dealt in life. Her life is sad and she is sad and pathetic, together with Jana, Jinger, Joy Anna and Grandmother Duggar. It appears all of these women under the thumb of Jim Bob and Michelle. I didn't watch. HURRAY!! I'm just gleaning this information from what's written here. Honestly, though I would have watched if I had cable so I can sort of understand the ratings from last weeks show. I think this weekend will be even bigger numbers.

Syndee said...

Anna seems to truly believe it is her calling to stay with Josh. Rather than blame him or anything, it seemed almost to not be about him, it was God presenting her with a challenge for her, God was to work through her on his way to Josh, God will redeem him through her (or something like that, I can't remember.) It's like she would fail her calling if she left Josh. I feel so bad for her.

Arkie said...

I actually enjoy watching the Duggar's but it is clear to me Jill and Jessa can't carry this on their own. BORING!!!!!

I want to see the little kids and Jim Bob and Michelle...shoot me but it's true. Ben and Derrik are dull.

Why didn't Jill make skinny Derrik a papaya smoothie to go???

Sierra is promoting her dipped strawberries on her instagram. Local delivery only.

Anna just tore me up. Living in the girl's room. Those kids needed their routine to stay the same as much as possible. Still don't understand why she couldn't live in the pool house with one or 2 of the sister's or even a brother.

Arkie

Tori said...

I watched the show because I wanted to see what Anna would say, and I felt appalled. She seems to be in denial in spite of admitting to lots of tears. And she truly believes she is required to stay with Josh because of her marriage vows. She doesn't realize that infidelity breaks the covenant of marriage.

The rest of the show was boring. Jessa and Ben at the Southern Living show ... Jill and Derrick leaving for CA and then a bit of them there. Both young women talking about babies on and on. Ben looks a little intimidated at the thought of being a dad. Derrick going on about being a missionary. The rest of the Duggars were seen at the airport and at the baby shower.

Jill said "like" 5 times in one sentence.

Just Me Again said...

It's absolutely beyond belief that Anna is living with the Duggars & sharing a room with her sisters-in-law. I assume she has MacKnzie with her but what about the other kids? She must still be nursing Meredith. We know, Michelle nursed her kids for months or until she became pregnant again. Maybe Michelle is getting her "baby fix," with baby Meredith. I don't know about other sane people, but to me this is beyond crazy. A 27 yr. old woman who is married & the mother of 4 children is sharing a room with girls that range in age from mid-twenties to Josie's age, around 6, I believe. If anyone ever questioned for one minute, whether or not Jim Bob had the entire family under his thumb...that's the answer right there. For God's sake TLC drop this ridiculous farce.

coleen said...

per "Syndee said...


Anna seems to truly believe it is her calling to stay with Josh. ... It's like she would fail her calling if she left Josh. I feel so bad for her.

12/21/2015 6:57 AM"

I agree, Syndee. I think Anna is in love with the Josh she married, who unfortunately is not the real Josh. She'd rather have the fantasy than face reality. But don't we all know women who have made the same choice. "As long as he's good to me and the kids he can do whatever he wants..."

Denisean said...

Tori- It isn't true that Anna doesn't realize she *can* leave Josh, in the eyes of God, due to infidelity. She said right out that she knows she has cause to leave.

She feels that she promised to be with him for better or worse, til death. And that she should show him the love and mercy that God would show him. These are her values and beliefs.

I honestly think that Anna didn't sound as pathetic as I thought she would. She didn't sound like she "didn't know" she could leave, or that she was made to feel it was her fault that Josh strayed. She sounded like someone who made a decision to stay with someone who was unfaithful, and continue loving them and supporting them, despite their faults. She doesn't sound to me like she feels trapped and *has* to stay. She is choosing to. That is her decision. For now. Maybe it will change if his behavior continues or he hurts their daughters. Who knows? For now, based on the information she has and based on what he has done and admitted to doing, she made her decision. So, that is that.

I watched the show to hear what she had to say, and I wasn't disappointed. Now I have no reason to watch anymore.

As for Jill and Jessa, I agree- no way can they carry a show all on their own. There is not enough there to make a show out of.

By the way, Jill did speak some spanish (not just 'si'), more than I can speak after taking it in jr/sr high school for 6 years.

So, Jill is learning spanish in CA, Jessa had a baby, and Anna is staying with Josh. Now, let's move on TLC, we are done with this family.

Marci said...

I admit I caved and watched it. I can't help feeling moved by Anna and also appalled with her living in the girls' room. It feels like she has no dignity, though,on the other hand,she does seem close to the older Duggar sisters so maybe they are a good support for her.
I agree that Jill and Jessa are so boring!! And stupid they are taking separate Spanish classes?? I also noticed the expression of the night was "we walked through" whatever situation it was. I think they all said that. Also not much emotion when Jill was sidehugging goodbye to Michelle at the airport.

Syndee said...

Ha, "we walked through" whatever situation and "came out stronger." That is the buzzwords. Why is everyone so glad for these horrible situations that just make them closer to God? Doesn't anyone ever question why God put that trauma in their lives in the first place? It just doesn't make sense.

I thougth I saw a few sidehugs from Michelle, not just Jill. But I missed part of it too. I saw enough though, Anna was the part I wanted to see.

I'm trying to think what the plan is here. Ok drama and infidelity and all that stuff is great for ratings. But now Anna put a damper on it. She announced no more drama, I'm taking him back. So what can happen next? Will they try to weasel Josh back into the show? Will everyone tune in to that? Or will it drift off and they will try to stick with the girls. But the drama for them has ended as well, they had their weird births and now all is over. What can possibly be next?

Syndee said...

One more thing, it makes me sick to hear the manner in which Anna talks. She talks like this stuff happened years ago, like she is far from it. Like someone talking about being a victim of crime years ago. Not like she is in the middle of all of it and it hasn't been resolved yet. There's something that doesn't seem emotionally healthy about that.

GF Baker said...

Ok, reading that Anna is in the room with the girls locked in at night right next to her in-laws is beyond dysfunctional!!!

There are so many layers to this dysfunctional onion that it is hard to even start to get your mind wrapped around it.

1. Is she in this room so that, she doesn't have time to think? Is she there to be sheltered like a little girl? When is she to have time to get alone with God and pray, grieve and seek God's healing, leadership and strength to carry on being a woman with 4 children?............. Oh, I fotgot, a woman can't know the Leading of God without a man (husband/father) to tell her. (Can you imagine the noises she is accosted with at night from her in-laws?)

2. If we just wipe it all away and say, 'Josh made a mistake and is sorry'.........when does she have time to get over it?

3. On a completely different tac, how unsettling to the security of the little child is it to wake and hear her mom crying in the dark of night? It will set this little girl up for a lifetime of insecurity.

4.No matter what, we know from this show and the teaching of Bill Gothard that Anna is to blame. it is all her fault. Josh, a mere man, can't be responsible for walking down the street without having someone to scream Nike ............so while touring the internet all on his own, he made a mistake of not being able to resist the temptation of boobs enticing him to enter his credit card and spend money to have an affair. If only Anna had been in the room and not changing a pesky kid's diaper or bathing little ones or taking a nap from the exhaustion of single parenting while Josh made his trips. She should have been able to soldier on and be there to meet all of his needs.

5. Her boys will think they have been chucked aside by their mother. They can't just get up from a night mare and come for comfort. THey are locked in the boys room and we know the mom can't walk that hallway because it would look like.............well, we all know what that would look like.

I am so sick of this false teachings! Only a wimpy man would stand behind the skirts of his wife and blame her for his short comings. Isn't that what Adam did in the Garden of Eden when God called and asked why he ate of the fruit?

Heart in Florida said...

Why isn't Anna and her children living in the Duggar guest house? It's on the property, yet it's like her own home...no common sense with them, EVER.

Katie's Mom said...

RE: Marci's comment. It feels like Anna has no dignity because she has no dignity. She is going to be raising at least 2 daughters, what kind of an example is that to set for her daughters? It tells everyone right now, that they need not wonder what will happen with Josh & Anna. Yes, she will take him back, someday his daughters will learn of their father's infidelity & maybe, just maybe if life turns out differently for them & they escape from the cult, they will have no love or respect for either one of their parents. When you think back to Anna having her labor & birth experiences recorded for all to see, especially during the birth of Michael, as she was crying in agony & saying "I just can't do this." Her loving, devoted husband in a talking head segment said, he explained to her that yes she could do this that she didn't need the DR, hospital or pain medication. I told her, "yes you can do this." As she continued begging for help, Josh left her in the care of his sisters Jill, Jana & as well, as Michelle & went to take a nap as the labor & delivery was taking so much out of him. Poor guy was just exhausted from watching her endure the pain & agony of labor & delivery.

Andrea said...

Syndee asked: "What can possibly be next?" Oh come on, Syndee you know . . . a pregnancy announcement or courtship, of course. Please Jim Bob has the formula down pat. Nothing, I mean nothing, will take this (bad word here) off the air. The ratings are respectable and soon advertisers will follow. It's just sad. Anna and her children truly are victims and she's so brainwashed by her cult to realize it. I feel badly for her. At this rate, I'm convinced the only way she is getting out is if Josh divorces her which seems entirely possible. He could cut his wife and children to drink and party while working some sleazy used car sales job.

Andrea said...

Anna said the following two things that really stuck out to me:

"What we're walking through." She is still referring to herself and Josh as one - "we're" - very telling.

"If I went off what I was feeling I would turn a mess into a disaster." Her feeling are telling her to RUN, but I believe Jim Bob and Michelle know that it would be a disaster.

Let me guess, she's looking to her church for guidance and fortunately her Father-in-Law is also her pastor, her Daddy is also available for counsel. This poor girl doesn't have a chance. RUN ANNA RUN

Mindi said...

I just have to wonder how many people on the blog talk about "walking through," some problem or issue in their lives. The people I know will say something along the lines of "we're doing ok, it's not easy but we're doing our best." We're dealing with this problem, even an illness they may say, "we pray that things will turn out for the best & that this will all be behind us soon." Or we hope this "be over with soon." So many ways to express what's happening in your life especially when it's a difficult time. Nobody I know constantly uses the same phrase; saying they are "walking through."

Ginny said...

Why does Anna feel compelled to honor her marriage vows, when clearly Josh has never given them a second thought? The Duggars are holding her captive & coercing her into thinking that she must honor her vows, but their own flesh & blood had little or no intention of doing so, if he fell off the marriage wagon so early in the marriage...7 yrs. I cannot tolerate Josh, but there are two other people that are worse than he is & that of course would be..Jim Bob & Michelle. These wonderful parents who raised a son who could not remain faithful to a wife who not only loves him, but actually worships him. I would be standing behind my daughter-in-law 100% & helping her & the children in any way possible, & that doesn't mean keeping them prisoners on the compound. I'd come up with the money for a good lawyer for her & see that she got every dime that she's entitled to. She earned it by being a wife to that S.O.B. They owe Anna big time for her public support of Josh, & it's about time they really thought about her & the kids & not their own spoiled rotten son or their TV ministry!

Heart in Florida said...

Anna looked like a little girl with those silly banana curls. Put on your big girl panties,, Anna, and if you're still with this guy, YOU RUN THE SHOW from now on. Take charge of your own marriage and household and see if Josh disappoints you yet again if you like, but have complete knowledge and manage your own household money..give Josh an allowance out of what he brings home to live on. This guy can't be trusted. Have JB set up an account for you and your children to fall back on in the future if needed, and I think you'll need it. His parents need to be accountable too for what they have allowed to be with Josh all those years ago. Standing up for yourself, Anna is NOT a sin. God has given women strength TO BE STRONG, not to be doormats.

Judy said...



How many times did they all say "walking through"?

Aimee said...

I am thankful we didn't have to listen to Michelle or Jim Bob talk. No talking head segments and not even a speech at the baby shower. No "good job being fruitful and multiplying" from JB and no "words of wisdom" from Michelle. That being said, in the promo for next week Derick announces that they may have gone to C.A. as a family of three but may be coming home a family of four... Wow. Sounds like sharing Bible stories is not the whole plan for this mission trip.

Also, if you look up Sierra on FB. She is pictured in tank tops and shorts. Her own wedding dress was a pretty strapless one. The long hair and skirts seems to just be for filming 19KAC.

Susie said...

It looked to me like Jana's bed had been moved into the guest room in the Tinker Toy House and that Jana had been staying there and getting some privacy until Anna came and they gave it to her. Could be wrong but that is what it looked like to me.

I believe Josh will be tempted by all of the book/magazine/movie offers he will get after he leaves his hiding place. He will take them and dump Anna and run.....

JeannieBean said...

Andrea, I would also suspect that while Josh is away that JB is not only Anna's pastor, but is likely her male authority, being that her own father does not live close by. She really doesn't stand a chance.

Elspeth said...

Jim Bob is no longer pretending to be a pastor/preacher. They disbanded their "church" after Josh's first scandal came out.

Nancy said...

I think the "walking through" came out so many times because Jim Bob seems to write the scripts for them before the talking heads. He has so little imagination that he makes them all sound alike. He loves the pseudo Biblical phrasing.

Betty said...

Grandma Mary is in the guest room and it's downstairs so no sloping ceiling. Jana's bed was and has been for several months in a "nook" area of the girls' dorm. That's where Anna was.

s said...

Maybe the Duggars will keep Anna and get rid of Josh.

Allison said...

The Duggars use a heavy amount of evangelical Christianese. It's not unique to them, it's language that is pretty common in churches.

Murphy said...

Anna should be "walking through" to an attorney & divorce that creepy Pillsbury Dough Boy SOB Josh Duggar.

capslock said...

Glad the ratings are down. Didn't watch after feeling guilty for watching a little of the last episode. However, I think TLC would bring them back even if J & J had 50,000 viewers. They gave Kate Gosselin her show back after a long hiatus and I never thought I'd see that day.

Meme said...

Allison, not all churches use the "Duggar type" of evangelical language. I'm a Southerner and a Southern Baptist and an Arkansan but I've never heard or used that type of talk. Maybe it's more of the Gothard way of speaking? Don't know.

I really have to fight the gag reflex when they start in with the "my heart" this or "her heart" that. We need a list of favorites for us all to "walk through."

Syndee said...

Ginny, 4 people worse than Josh in my opinion. Besides JB and M, there are Anna's parents. To abandon her and her kids with the Duggars, where it's clear they will be led to rejoin Josh, is beyond comprehension. Josh had a lifetime of repression that contributed to what he did, but Anna's parents had a somewhat normal life before foisting all that Gothard cr** on their kids, as full grown adults. As much as JB and M made a molester out of Josh, Anna's parents made a doormat out of Anna.

Syndee said...

Anonymous Aunt Bea said...
I agree that Anna's facial movement was "one sided" and odd for her. What was that all about? Hopefully she didn't have some sort of neurological issue with the stress of all this, perhaps a bit of Bell's Palsy. Hopefully not a stroke.


Any idea if it's something serious?

Aunt Bea said...

Syndee, I have met someone who had bell's palsy and their doctor told them that it was due to stress. It took quite some time to subside. I hope it was just "Anna trying to 'show her emotions', yet keep sweet" and not a health issue for her. I doubt any of the Duggar mob had noticed anyway. They are too much of a loud crowd to notice anything.

Heart in Florida said...

I tried to listen and watch what Anna had to say with an open mind and not a judgmental one, but I have to say, after listening to her ridiculous phrases and canned responses, I find her to have come across as a "Christian snob". "Be an extension of God's love and forgiveness"???? Come on, now. She says that God has forgiven her "of so much"...what could it be that she did/thought that was so terrible as the sheltered, religion drilled in to your head girl that she was? No space to herself, homeschool, obedient, etc...Yeah, Anna, you're a terrible sinner, right...I find her arrogant in her "humility and forgiveness of JOSHUA". Why did she always refer to him as "Joshua"? I believe she is "taking him on" as a Christian exercise in forgiveness, one to better herself in the Lord's eyes. That's how I took her demeanor. and yes, I'm sorry if any stress related health issue may be there for her, as I noticed her facial muscles seemed to lean on one side also.

Stephanie Wells said...

They cheered on baby Israel learning to crawl to grab one of those huge permanent markers on steroids then he got it and put it in his mouth...they are so dumb

s said...

I noticed that about Anna's face almost immediately. Thought maybe it was just tense muscles in her face and neck causing the lopsided-ness. Hope it isn't anything worse.

puddin said...

I wonder how Anna will really deal with this in the long run. She may be all about forgiving and the Lord..bla bla bla...but how will she really feel when Joshua comes home and expects her to do her wifely duty? I would think she could never ever get out of her head... her Joshua getting it on with a stripper. Also how can she live with him knowing he molested his sisters-some of whom are his daughters age now...yes i know she said she knew this before marriage---poor stupid Anna--whats really wrong is her staying with the PIG...and her health may suffer in the long run...this can be forgiven but forgotten..NEVER!

Lisa Mcginnis said...

anna is staying in the girls room? why not that nice guest house with the big kitchen what is she a little kid she has to be treated like that. must be awful no privcy at all.

Willow said...

O.K., well besides "walking through" which is beyond irritating, the one I hate the most is "..came alongside us". Grrr. So many examples of this "Gothard speak". It is NOT Christian speak, I agree, as someone above stated. My friends and family circle is FULL of wonderful, devoted Christians and NONE of us speak like this. We all speak normal. Its an attention thing handed down from Gothard or some other leader, IMO, and it is another thing that binds the cult together. Just my opinion folks, but those phrases (fellowshipped, instead of visited) just set me on edge. Oh, and also the one I hate is "date night" with hubby, when all they did was just grab a burger at McDonalds. Rant over.. for now. :)

Willow said...

I also wanted to add that I am so happy the ratings were down. I didn't watch even a second of Episode 1 or 2. I watched another family show - one about salt-of-the-earth people who made homemade gifts for their family and talked so normally. I enjoyed it SO much more than the Duggar clan hypocrisy. NOW, the rant is over. Ha. Merry Christmas friends - all the best.

Syndee said...

Close your eyes and think of England? She will probably get through it by channeling God or whatever. As long as she believes she is meeting the challenge God gave her, she can probably get herself to perform all the wifely duties and motherly duties, including another pregnancy. She won't crack or regret it until she's old. I think they distract themselves with all the babies and parties and such and no one ever gets time to think.

Mindi said...

Re: Aimee's comments about Derick's comment about coming home as a family of four. Does that mean that Jill will come home to the USA to give birth to the next baby? Or will they have the baby in what ever area of CA they are in & then return home as a family of 4. I wouldn't take a chance on delivering in a foreign country if I had gone through such a difficult labor & delivery in the USA. It doesn't sound as if they plan to stay as long as, "missionaries" usually do, if they are already talking about when they come home.

Just Me said...

capslock, I'm proud of you for standing firm & not watching the second episode. I'm hoping they don't come back but the low ratings are the best bet for a true cancellation.

Ginny said...

Syndee, you're absolutely correct about Anna's parents. I've never cared for Mr. Keller & the way he totally worshiped the Duggars. He was over the moon that Josh chose his daughter. As far as Mrs. Keller goes did you ever notice that she always walks a few steps behind Mr. Keller, as if he were royalty?

Judy said...

We haven't really touched on the adoption talk in this episode. I thought it was funny when Jessa and Ben said they had looked into adoption and the agency said you can't do it while you're pregnant and you should wait until the baby is nine months old...she'll be pregnant again by the time Spurgy is nine months. Endless cycle.

And if you noticed, Jill and Derick gave Israel his first food. He was six months at the time. By now, he's probably eating a lot more table food, which means he's nursing less, which means Jill will be pregnant soon. I say look for an announcement from her sometime this winter or spring.

Judy said...



Anna will be pregnant again by next summer. I have no idea how she will stand to have sex with Josh, but she will.

Bobbi said...

Willow, Great name. I too am Thrilled the ratings for the Counting "like" fest were down. I watched Christmas films. Hopefully the ratings will continue to plummet. Merry Christmas.

Murphy said...

From what a previous poster wrote that during the 2nd Counting episode, Jill spoke "like" five times in one sentence & in that monotoned boring voice. Frankly I'd rather endure a root canal vs listening to the "like" fest. Geez!

Denisean said...

Anna is definitely viewing this as a challenge given to her by the lord, and like other life challenges, sees this as her ticket into heaven and eternal paradise. They do not care about suffering in this life, to them it is only a stepping stone to prove they are worthy to have eternal life in heaven with god.

Regarding Anna's facial oddities- yes, there is something wrong there, and no one in that household will have any idea nor take her to a doctor because they are so pitifully uneducated.

Dee said...

Yaay about the drop in ratings! I hope it keeps up. The Duggars' on air time needs to be OVER. Let them go flip burgers or clean out septic systems in order to pay their bills. Enough grifting and hypocricy.

Just Me said...

Can anyone explain these "guests houses," on the Duggar compound. I remember the shack that they had for Ben to live in, but don't ever remembers seeing a real "guest house," equipped with a kitchen etc., When was that added & exactly where is it on the property & who lives in it if Anna is living in the girls room?It's ridiculous for Anna to be living in the girls room, if there is really a nice guest house. Boy, Anna that's some come down from that home in Maryland & hobnobbing with politicians, to living in the girls rm. with little ones 6yrs. old. You can thank Joshua for that!

Cedric said...

The 2nd episode of J & J Counting was a Snooze Fest. I mean who cares about watching guys prepared baby food? Jessa's shower was a big Yawn. Why TLC do you think the public cares? Perhaps only the sick Gothardites are interested & hopefully the ratings will continue to plummet. Just a big debacle in my opinion. Just Boring!

Dar said...

Of course Anna is having Josh back or she would not be in that house. I expressed this before, her decision involves two little girls. I have absolutely no respect for her. She can't be that insensitive or stupid. She knows what he did to little girls. What was between the pron star and Josh was a decision made by adults. Those little girls don't have any choice where they live. If anything does happen, you you can be sure it will never come out. They have to protect their pig of a sun.

Shame on you Anna! Her brother was willing to help her, but she would rather live in a little room with her four children and put her daughters at risk.

Esther said...

Coleen, Didn't the real Josh make Anna carry their luggage on their honeymoon?

Anna is not responsible for Josh's sins said...

How many ppl 'walk through' a fire,as they described it? You don't....you RUN!

Esther said...

Is the reason that Anna cannot stay in the guesthouse because she has to have a male "covering"?

Esther said...

Ginny,
You said if it was your son you'd stand with the daughter-on-law. My great-aunt did exactly that. Her daughter-in-law adored her for this, and said at my aunts funeral (30 years later) "She was my best friend".

Esther said...

Jill got pregnant on her honeymoon. Why is it taking her do long to get pregnant with this one.... Or is she and that is why it seems like she is hiding her stomach.

Judy said...


Most full time nursing mothers don't ovulate, so my guess is that she hasn't yet either. She has started feeding the baby table food, which means he will be nursing less and less and she will ovulate sooner rather than later. I think she'll be pregnant sometime over the winter or early spring at the latest.

jlp said...

The fact that Anna and her children share a room with the girls - she is an adult, married woman with 4-kids. Why does she need accountability on that home, why can't she have privacy? Just because the duggar girls are her age and single does not mean any of them should be treated less than adults. Do duggars not trust any of the 19 unless they are in the company of a spouse - because no one can be adult, single and trustworthy? This family, the only reason they are talked about is because they wanted the attention - not because they are a shiny example of anything. Is Anna not allowed to stand up for herself as a married adult? Is that against the duggar religion.

Meme said...

I too am happy about the ratings drop for the Jill and Jessa show. I did not watch it either.

My ultimate wish for 2016 is that the Duggars will be out of a show and that some other, DESERVING family will replace them.

And here is a prediction concerning Josh and Anna. I do not believe that she will ever leave him - but he may very well leave her. I do not for one minute believe that he wants 19 kids and is, in fact, overwhelmed by the thought. JMO.

Christine said...

The men in this group claim all the authority without the responsibility, which creates a twisted and toxic system. The problem with Anna's theological comparison to God's unconditional love for us and extending that from her to Josh is that, from a Biblical perspective, God was the one in authority who then humbled himself to become a servant. For Christians, the person in authority serves, which makes these kinds of gestures so radical (the boss taking the blame for his subordinate's mistake, for example). Anna, being the submissive wife, is not the one in authority under the ATI system and therefore the power differential is imbalanced. If she wanted to stay with Josh in a healthy way, she would leverage her choices, distance herself, wait for evidence that Josh has really changed and then start a slow process of reconciliation in a trust-but-verify posture. Not throw herself headlong into embracing Josh again. I'm afraid by burying pain and anger, she's not addressing root issues in her marriage and Josh will never respect her because she's never set boundaries or consequences to face if he tries the same behavior again. She gives him the implied message that she will stay with him no matter what.

Syndee said...

So she won't leave him, but I do hope that he would leave her instead. That would actually be the best thing he could do for her - call up that brother, say I want to speak to you, I believe I am messed up because of my messed up family, so it is best I leave Anna but I want her to go with you instead of JB and M. And vow he will do anything to help her in her new life. He is doing her no favors by returning to her unless he really wants her and those kids, which it's clear he doesn't. No reason to perpetuate that false life they have been living.

Denisean said...

Wow, when Derick made the comment about coming home as a family of 4, I thought he meant they might adopt a child in CA. There's been so much talk about adoption, my mind just immediately went there. Duh on my part, of course he meant another pregnancy.

Lisa Mcginnis said...

there is a nice guest house if you watch that movie 5 day adoption you will see it. I really wish i could meet these duggars so I could ask them real question about their real life and not fake ones. probley would not know how to act.

Willow said...

Question - Did Josh pass his "authority" of Anna to Jim Bob, OR, can Josh say to his dad - Its o.k. to let Anna have her own room? The silly little side lines of the cult are endless and mind-boggling. Also, a small thought - How do the "leg-humper" Gothradite-type fans watch the show when they are not allowed to even have t.v? The re-arranging of rules is laughable.

Heart in Florida said...

Chistine's comments about Anna not setting behavioral boundaries with Josh and her being in an unbalanced position in the "power department" is quite wise. You hit the nail of the head. I wish you could email Anna directly with your comments and observations. You are 100% spot on. I agree totally.

Missy said...

Judy, I always thought the same thing, that you didn't ovulate while nursing & that's where the notion that you couldn't get pregnant while nursing came from. Michelle nursed her babies for many months & still always got pregnant. As a matter of fact, she said that's how she knew she was pregnant with Josie, because Jordyn wasn't nursing well, she wasn't really getting mother's milk, because Michelle was pregnant.

Ginny said...

RE: Esther's comment. Yes that's what I said & that's what I would do. Believe me if that was kind of son I raised I would definitely feel I owed my daughter-in-law the support she needed & deserved. Maybe it wouldn't be my fault, but still I am sure I would love my daughter-in-law & of course any grandchildren & would love & support them, in any way I could..

Ginny said...

Esther, what a wonderful story about your great-aunt & her daughter-in-law. It just proves to me that blood isn't necessarily thicker than water.

Katie's Mom said...

Bobbi, You & I continue to be on the same page. Instead of watching Jill & Jessa & counting, I also watched Christmas films.

Elspeth said...

Women can and do ovulate while exclusively breast feeding. It's an old wive's tale that women can't get pregnant while nursing. Not all women ovulate while exclusively breast feeding, but enough do that it makes prudent to consider using a form of birth control if you don't want to emulate Michelle Duggar.

Bobbi said...

Wishing Sharla & everyone who posts at this amazing & incredible blog a very Merry Christmas & fantastic 2016 New Year!!

Stephanie said...

Wait, wait, wait.
The big barn baby shower was missing Bens family. Did I miss something? I did not see his parents or his sisters.

Did I miss them?
Interesting if they weren't there.

Judy said...

Yes, sometimes you do ovulate when you are exclusively breastfeeding and you can still get pregnant but it is less likely if you are truly exclusively breastfeeding. As for Michelle, I'm going to guess she was supplementing with formula because there are pictures of babies with bottles, I think people have seen, and also because she herself has made comments about how hard nursing was for her. Even one supplemental bottle a day can increase the likelihood you will ovulate. My guess is that shew as doing a mix, so she started ovulating again much earlier postpartum than she would have if she exclusively breastfed, and that aided her getting pregnant soon. That and JB always wanting to have sex.

Denisean said...

Who the heck has 160 people at a baby shower? Ridiculous, and just another way for them to feel important.

Syndee said...

Well, my theory is that since there is no school, no jobs, no volunteering, no watching movies or TV, no outside friends, etc. there is really not much to do. So everyone has so much energy to throw at these parties. Remember how many people were working on that gender reveal with the 100 flamingoes. Or was it 200. All the younger boys were involved, which if they were normal people would be the first to avoid something like a gender reveal, baby shower, etc. like the plague. There is probably literally nothing else to do.

Zach's mom said...

I've been having health challenges this past year (but I had back surgery so things are getting better!) and I have never used that phrase. I say 'it's been a hard year for us' or 'I've gone through a difficult time'...by comparison to say that one is 'walking through' something constantly just sounds like the lack of vocabulary and sophisticated sentence construction that the Duggars display constantly! This is from the same beautiful mind who brought us 'speaking her words' after all! ;)

Stephanie said...

It didn't seem like there were 160 people at the baby shower but it was a good crowd. Jill and derricks going away party was not crowded at all.

Denisean said...

Sierra said that they had 160 people rsvp that they were coming.

Cedric said...

Sierra is a silly bore

Willow said...

Sierra has an "in" with somebody important, that's all there is to it. That about sums it up.

Roo Doo said...

Willow, I think that they all have an in with someone at TLC. I think there is a Gothardite on staff (and pretty high up) calling the shots. Or, at least, someone who sympathizes with them. Their story was intriguing enough in the beginning, before we knew the deets. Now? Blatant propaganda for a cult disguising itself as a Christian sect.

Willow said...

You are so correct Roo Doo. "They" are everywhere. Its scary.