Free Discussion, December, 2015

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Always said...

I hope the wonderful people on this blog will boycott the new Duggar TLC show. I am now reading that the parents, Jim Bob & Michele, as well as Anna will be in the series along with Jill & Jessa & it is being called a "series," not a special which tells us something. Sadly I believe this to be true. Originally we were told it would b a "special," now it's a "series." No way will Jim Bob allow anyone in his family to be on a show without putting himself front & center.

coleen said...

I just read on a gossip site that Josh and Anna will have a vow renewal in the future. I hope its just that-gossip.

Cedric said...

OMG. That's nuts & absurd. Josh is still a cheater. Josh will cheat again. Count on it. This, this stupid vicious circle & sham of a marriage will continue. Sadly, the real victims are the children. Living in this Gothard cult environment, they don't have a chance. It's just sick & so wrong.

Bobbi said...

I am definitely boycotting TLC as back in October, this channel was permanently deleted from my cable system. Any time the Duggars are involved, TV, social media, magazine publications, I WILL ALWAYS BOYCOTT!

Katie's Mom said...

Bobbi, happy to see your comments. I remain one of your staunch supporters in boycotting TLC, as well as any social media, that gives time & space to the Duggars.

Just Saying said...

RE: Cedric's comment. You're correct it is nuts & absurd, but it's just exactly how the Duggars would like to see this mess play out. Just a normal family with a few little bumps in the road of life. Fortunately, they are above the rest of us. These Godly Christians will probably have a huge renewal of the marriage vows right down to waiting for Jim Bob to say,"you may kiss the bride." It's enough to make you sick.

Murphy said...

Re boycotting TLC & anything involving the Duggars I stand in solidarity with the wonderful folks who post at this blog! NO MORE DUGGARS!!!

hollywood producer said...

Joshie would have to get a new suit for the vow renewal. The ones Mr. Keller got him and the wedding party won't fit his huge gut anymore. After the ceremony, he will cheat again and a new "series" could be aired called "Backsiders" or Joshie is on his back again!

Willow said...

How can anyone support the new "series" or "special" whatever? We KNEW it would include more than Jill and Jessa. Everyone was just scamming us from the very start. You would think EVERYONE, even their die-hard fans, would see the twisting and manipulating for what it is. Lets see how many viewers they get just from the fundie fan base etc. crowd. I will read this blog and that is all. Not a thing else that says "Duggar". They take the word obnoxious to WHOLE new level. They will force themselves on people, whether they are wanted or not.

Tammy C said...

I am at the hospital so it's hard to get the link to an article I saw last night.I read that Anna was doing the show to get money so she can leave Josh.I hope this is true.

Heart in Florida said...

Until TLC airs a true to life documentary style special, "no holes barred" and tells it like it is to live "like a Duggar" I'm totally disgusted with them and TLC. To restrict their children and mostly their daughters like they do is NOT Christian at all. I am a member of a real Christian religion and my faith does not support anything like that. The Duggar family etal, sugar coat their real beliefs, speak with omission about their belief system and how the "rest of us" are damned to hell because we don't believe and live exactly like their Gothard/ATI belief system. Mr. Gothard's interpretation of scripture and "what God wants us to do" in this life is NOT accurate; he is mistaken on a multitude of things. How these people don't see this is mind boggling to me.
Why does TLC continue to promote a family whose members post Christian hate; the stiefling of females, the substandard education of their children and submission of wives and daughters to their husbands and fathers. Respecting one's husband and father is one thing, but to NOT have a voice in your own marriage is NOT Godly in the least. This station for some reason, WANTS to misrepresent the Duggars and they do it well.

HardyHar said...

I'm watching! And, every time Jill says the word "like" I'll take a drink.

Katie's Mom said...

RE: Tammy's comment. Although I would like to think that Anna is looking for a way to make money so she can get out of that marriage, especially when she is under the control of the Duggars, I don't believe for one minute that she is doing the TLC program to get enough money to get out of the marriage. She should have been long gone by now. She has her brother, & others who have offered her help, as well as a lawyer who has offered to help her with the divorce case pro bono. I am sure this lawyer would think that eventually there would be a settlement & he would then receive a fee, but so what? She needs to do what she needs to do for the sake of her children. In this case the end does justify the means. Anything Anna could have done to get out of that marriage should be have been done by now, but that time has already passed. I think we can all see where this is going. The train is running on Jim Bob's tracks. Most mom would go to the mat for a safe environment for their children, but Anna is totally under the control of the Duggars & will remain so. Never have I seen a woman who is so totally in the driver's seat as Anna has been for all these months, who just bunkers down under the control of her father-in-law, & subjects herself & her children to such public ridicule. For God's sake Anna, grow up & be a woman & a real mom to the kids you gave birth to, pack your kids & get the h--l out of there!

Virginia said...

Heart in Florida the reason TLC continues to keep The Duggars on TV is simple. MONEY. I too am sickened by the way this family treats their children, especially the girls and I also agree that it is anything but Christian. Christianity is about a relationship with Jesus Christ and NOT about legalism and rules. So much of what the family preaches (buy use save the difference) comes from living in extreme poverty for so long. For a long time I have seen pictures from the married Duggar and Bates girls homes. In every picture they post their homes are spotless and decorated so nice. At first I wondered why they looked like a Pinterest board and then I realized why. These girls have never in their lives had anything that was their own and no space that is just theirs so when they get married and have a home that is just for them and their husband they go nuts with making it just perfect. That is so sad to me and just shows how selfish the parents are.

Meme said...

I ain't-a-watchin' either. Don't want to hear those silly girls discussing the molestation that they now are willing to acknowledge. You can't have it both ways, ladies, even for money.
And Anna, you have become quite the little actress. It is just amazing what money can do. So I refuse to help line their pockets anymore. I'm ready for their lazy butts to start punching a time clock like the rest of us. Starting with Mr. Avoidance himself, Jim Bob. Yep.

Sara said...

I am looking forward to the new show. Have always enjoyed the show. I may not agree with them, but it is entertaining to me. I feel sorry for Anna. But at the end of the day, it is their lives...

Sara

nancyr said...

Am I watching the show? Yes indeed, I'm watching the show the moment it airs on TV.

I've always had a love/hate relationship with the Duggars, and nothing has changed. In the beginning, it was a fecundity freak show with ankle length jumpers and a dozen cute kids. Then it morphed into the Lifestyles of the Somewhat Rich and Ultra Pious with travelogs (trips to the Creationist Museeum), tacky weddings ("God opens the womb and closes the womb"), and medical emergencies (toilet seat homebirth). Now it's just another half forgotten, humdrum sex scandal.

The Duggars, bless their charming, purity ring hearts, are doing America a public service in exposing how weird and unsustainable the holy roller lifestyle is. Don't take the show off the air. Beam it into every home in the land.

Vanessa West said...

I think at that rate you'll get awfully drunk very quickly if you take a drink every time Jill says the word "like" hardy har.

Denisean said...

Re: Anna leaving, etc.... So, let's imagine for a second that they didn't live in this cult lifestyle, and Anna and Josh had a more mainstreamed marriage.... People cheat all the time, a lot of people, all the time, more than once and for years. And their spouses don't leave them. Now, I for one could not stay with my husband if he cheated because I would drive myself nuts every time he left the house, and my image of my life with him would be shattered. However, that being said, I would be very sad to give up my life- I like my life, my life with my husband, our home- it wouldn't be easy to give that up. So, taking away the cult lifestyle, Anna isn't that different than many other husbands or wives who've been betrayed by infidelity that stay in the marriage. They just resolve it in their minds and hearts, and learn to live with it. Some people can do that. You may say she deserves better, but she didn't cheat and would have to give up her comfortable lifestyle to be a single mom- maybe staying with him is a better deal in her mind. I think she should leave the scumbag, but I know many a wife who have scumbag husbands that I would never tolerate.

Hello said...

I believe that because Anna grew up in and is still living a cult lifestyle doesn't give her any choice but to stay with Josh. She has been trained to believe that first her father and then her husband is her authority figure and should be obeyed no matter what. Not only is her husband a cheater, he also molested his sisters. Jimboob, Mullet and even his sisters tried to play it off as a youthful mistake. It wouldn't surprised me if Anna is being made to believe that Josh's cheating is somehow her fault. I believe the males blame anything they do wrong on the women. Whether or not Anna leaves Josh should be her own decision, but sadly I believe she has no say in the matter. I would think that Josh and Anna got paid for doing the show, but I wouldn't be surprised if Josh had the checks made out to him and not Anna.

Wednesday said...

I guess I don't understand how TLC is still supporting Josh (via Anna), since so many people were protesting TLC supporting Josh the molester.

As far as Anna goes, I may be in the minority that I don't feel sorry for her. I do not in any way think that she deserved to be cheated on, but I don't really feel bad that it happened to her either. And her being on the special just reinforces why I don't feel sorry for her. She has happily been a part of the Duggars for years, and completely invested in the life they sold her. She, as an adult woman, mother and wife, has actively exploited herself and her children on this show. Now when her marriage hits bottom she actually goes on the new series and talks about (exploiting again) her heartbreak? No one can make her do this, and if they are then shame on her.

TLC needs to stop exploiting this family and just cut the ties. There heads are so inflated with their fame and money it is disgusting.

puddin said...

I agree with you meme... I am not going to watch anymore of The damn Duggars. I too can't believe that TLC is still attempting to stuff them down peoples throats...if people let them that is. So im on board too...NOT GONNA WATCH IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN!

lizzy10 said...

I don't get why anyone would watch the "specials". I never watched the old ones a lot, just an occasional look here and there, but since I've been reading the comments on this site I have done research into the cult. It's a pretty sad way for women to live, and the children are really messed up. I can't understand any parent wanting that much control over their kids, but thankfully I was raised very different. I still think that anyone raised this way from birth is going to have an almost impossible time breaking free, and yes that means Anna too. I can talk about what I would do, but I wasn't blanket trained into obedience when I was 6 months old, told everyday that only "daddy or my husband" can make decisions for me and kept so beaten down by countless rules and regulations that I couldn't think clearly even if I had a second to myself. I can't bring myself to fault the children in this cult, but I can blame the parents who sought this lifestyle out. So no, I won't be watching, but I will be hoping Karma takes a big ol' bite outta Jim Boob someday.

Heart in Florida said...

"Denisean", I believe the issue here isn't if Anna is going to stay with Josh or not, it's the fact that this GROWN WOMAN of 26 years old really doesn't have a choice in the matter. She must stay in the marriage because she has been taught from a young age that she can't decide things for herself. She must do as she is told by first, her father, then her husband after marriage, and I'm quite sure Mr. Jim Bob Duggar is high on the "authority totem pole" with Anna too. That's the issue here that irks most posters here is that she doesn't have a choice and hasn't been taught to think for herself in anything that really matters.

Katies Mom said...

RE:Wdnesday's comments. I don't believe that you are in the minority at all re: Anna in this case. I think many feel the same as you, & are furious with TLC, as well with Anna. She has exploited her children & all you need to do is see any promo & you see she is acting as though she is thoroughly ashamed of herself. This is wrong on so many levels & only low ratings will get this miserable mess off TV. Someday her children will be able to read about this entire mess, so she won't be able to hide it from them forever. If this is the legacy you want for your children, I guess this is the route you take.

Wampascat said...

Speaking of a wedding renewal: will Anna's creepy dad stand up and brag about how the couple has held themselves up to a " higher standard", while the couple beams smugly at their guests? Arrrgh!!!! Just stab me in the eye now!!!!

Chloe said...

Well obviously Mr. Keller is an idiot. Along with his skewed views that Christ drank grape juice when realistically Christ drank WINE! How dumb can these Gothard followers become?

Murphy said...

The horrific thing about Cults is when people drink the Kool aid aka Duggars & Bates, they stop all blood flow or thinking to the brain. It is the leaders of the Cult who think for them & as dutiful Sheeple these people without question will accept & follow anything the Cult leader says or writes the interpretation. It's really sick & dangerous to give up thinking for ones self. However, it's obvious the Duggars & Bates believe this Crap & no longer think for themselves. It's really creepy. & depraved.

Bobbi said...

Oh yea Mr. Keller definitely falls into the category of Creep! When Mr. Keller said with such bravato about the transfer of his authority over Anna to Josh I laughed & then wanted to hurl my lunch. These creepy power hungry men within the Gothard Cult have oars out of the water. I believe in their younger years they had Zero Power, were not popular during HS, then after HS, began to develop a high opinion of themselves. The only way these Cult following men can feed their egos is by joining a Cult that downgrades & objectifies women & children. This way, each day they can walk around boastfully pounding their chests saying look at me I am the King of my home & everyone obeys me. I believe these men still suffer from insecurity. Joining a Cult is the only way men of this nature can feel as a man when in reality they are not men but a poor disgusting & narcissistic excuse of a human male.

KimmieH said...

It's sadistic dishonest monsters such as Jim Bob Duggar & Mr. Keller that would make Christ Cry! Add to that Gil Bates as well. All of these men are embedded within this Gothard Cult because they have a God like complex, believe they are entitled & yes they have low self esteem as well as a lower level of education & intelligence. I also believe Jim Bob Duggar is extremely immature & generally behaves as a Bafoon.

Aunt Bea said...

I don't understand how Anna could have not known the amount of money that Josh seemed to have spend on this "habits". Those numbers are BIG, not $20 here and there. It is evident to me, that this girl has never seen a pay check stub, nor their real bank account statements whether they be online or paper each month. I hope she has learned a thing or two and would from now on, whatever her decisions are about her personal life, to be involved in her own financial life. Which brings to mind, Michelle Duggar. Does she really know where the money is and REALLY where it's going other than on luxury vehicles and airplanes? Does Jim Bob have a safety deposit box at a bank or a nice "hole in the backyard"? Wake up, Gothard ladies!

InVA said...

Nancyr - loved your post and couldn't agree more. Get this trainwreck back on the air as soon as possible for all the world to see what a farce this family is (even more and with a different perspective post scandal). Also to expose the Quiverfull/Gothard movement.

Loved your words "tacky weddings ("God opens the womb and closes the womb)" LOL!

cat said...

I know there is alot of money to be made, but why is TLC so ga-ga over this family, what does the family have over them?

Rudy Tecat said...

I wonder if the Duggars have an accountant who manages all of the wealth/income/expenses. I don't think JB is smart enough to do all this himself, and neither are his married children. In that case, JB would have been alerted to Josh's payments to prostitutes ahead of time... I don't think thousands of dollars (in cash?) just go missing an unaccounted for! Unless, he was spending money from his business account, and then he would have been found-out there (maybe he was, that's why he was fired there!) The married kids probably have to account for every penny they spend.

Elspeth said...

JB may well have an accountant, but that certainly doesn't mean that Josh had one or used the same one. It would make sense for Josh and Anna to have new accounts in DC and if they were using an accountant to hire one there.

Annie said...

Ok, I was looking on the Dilly's missionary blog and loving it! It's great. They are busy little bees down there in Central America. I found a recent mission statement by Derrick on this link

http://dillardfamily.com/2015/11/god-has-called-us

His comments are very specific as to what he and Jilly are doing with all of their time down there and just who they are down there to convert. BUT the best part is reading the comments. One comment begged Jill not to go near a birthing center and promote her midwifery skills or a homebirth and others questioned why they are there if Central America is predominately Christian and how they wouldn't like Israel taught by someone else.

It was hinted that they are being funded by a Catholic Society. ????

I need to follow up with this blog. This is great. Apparently, their Spanish teacher practically begged for Bible classes 1 hour per day after having dinner with them. I hope that their Spanish is up to it. That is hard to do.

Dee said...

The day TLC announced it would be producing these 'specials' is the day I blocked all Discovery Communications channels from my cable lineup.
While I'm sorry to not be supporting Jazz Jennings with my viewership, I cannot in good conscience watch anything from this vile company.
As time goes on, the Duggars will simply continue to dig themselves a deeper hole. It may take a while, but I think eventually things will be revealed about them that will disgust even their staunchest supporters.
They can spin things any way they want, but wrong is wrong, and the Duggar's behavior is definitely wrong.

Dawn Whipple said...

There have been so many examples of Jill holding Izzy uncomfortably. His head not supported. Dangling in that pack she carries on her front. His poor legs must be numb after being in that. The video of Izzy pulling himself up on the couch where Derrick ran to make sure he didn't fall and hurt himself. Jill didn't care if he fell. I am beginning to wonder if Jill has some sort of passive aggressive mean streak with the baby. It appears she doesn't care. Just like Michelle crossing the street without even turning her head to see if the small children were ok. After an hour in that stupid pack, if she looked at Izzy' s legs there must be marks left. I don't think she got much sympathy as a kid and she doesn't know how to give it back as a parent. She is oblivious and I think mean spirited in a way.

Dawn Whipple said...

I am a Christian, but like many people struggle with my faith from time to time. This Duggar mess has truly caused me to be discouraged in my faith. Causing anyone to lose their faith by creediness and hypocrisy is something I am afraid they will pay dearly for. In fact they currently are, but they continue to see it as haters out to get them. Wake up Duggars and make some attempt to right your wrongs.

Goodie said...

I agree with Dawn Whipple about the way Jill treats Izzy. I noticed the way she carried him in that front pack and shuddered but thought I was just being critical but I don't think so now. I do believe Jill has Michelle's mothering skills - poor Izzy. I wonder how Jessa will be with Spurgeon (such an odd name for a child!)

Syndee said...

"Ok, I was looking on the Dilly's missionary blog and loving it! It's great. They are busy little bees down there in Central America. I found a recent mission statement by Derrick on this link
http://dillardfamily.com/2015/11/god-has-called-us"

Oh wow, such entertaining reading! The comments I mean. I wonder why they left those comments up, they are really reaming them. Everybody is questioning why they are there, what they are doing, etc. Maybe people are finally "getting it" and realizing they are fakes.

Meme said...

I recently read that Josh wants to have some sort of special ceremony where he and Anna recommit to their marriage. This confirms what I've been thinking about him, which is that he has learned exactly nothing. Give the little wife a showy, pretty ceremony to appease her. Say nice, appropriate words to reassure those in attendance. Then throw the black shades back on.

Girlfriend said...

This would be a much cuter way to wear that striped skirt. https://www.pinterest.com/pin/394205773609875387/

Rudy Tecat said...

TLC has hit the jackpot with the Duggars. First, the weddings, then the childbirths, and then... sexual molestation, prostitution, pornography! The folks at TLC are like vultures circling a wounded animal! I bet they can't wait for the first Duggar divorce or something worse. Look at what they showed of the failing marriages of Jon and Kate and the Roloffs. Now, if they could only get the Long Island Medium captured by ISIS, they'd be all set.

Virginia said...

I was just thinking about Jessa as a mother. So far all of the pictures I have seen etc sho her as a loving mother and lots of interaction with the baby.

Dawn Whipple said...

I think jessa appears to be a better mother than jill. Jessa does seem caring and just plain in love with baby Spurgeon. That is good to see.

too bad,so sad said...

Thinking about Jessa as a mother- I wonder if she will pull a Kim Kardashian and photo shop the baby out of her selfies because she was "feeling her look." Just kidding!

I think the view on her being a "good" mother totally depends on the individual view of what a good mother is.
In my book a good mother loves her children and responds with warmth and patient guidance, never discipline with a rod or plastic tube or fear.
A good mother reflects back to each child their individual strengths and how they have interests and talents they should follow and not just do what others say they should.
A good mother teaches a child how to think and how to question and find answers, not what to think.
A good mother teaches that the child should find the good in everyone they meet and not look at differences as being wrong. Mothers teach their children to embrace diversity. Having friends who are not anything like you is the best gift you give to yourself.
Mothers should teach their children to always question what they believe and change their minds as they learn more.
Children should be taught and encouraged to be curious and to never stop learning.
And the goal of parenting is to have children not be copies of them but to become the independent, unique person they were meant to be.
Therefore, nope. Jill and Jessa will not be good mothers. Well, unless they change. Change is always possible.

too bad,so sad said...

Virginia- the pictures might show her as a loving mother with lots of interaction. I know of several people who make their living filming. What is produced is nothing like what really goes on during the filming and before/after the filming.
No one knows what she is really like by looking at the edited film. She might be better than we see, the same or worse.

Syndee said...

I don't blame TLC for this. They're a company in the business of making money off TV shows. Reality shows are the cheapest, and there is definitely an audience for weird unique families, hence the Roloffs, Duggars (in the beginning), Kate, Honey boo boo, etc. I don't think they coerced any one of them, they were all willing and anxious to parade their own families on TV and all TLC had to do was go, OK.

I still don't think TLC has anything to do with Jessa, Jill or Anna wanting to start a show. They're just the middleman, I believe they all came to TLC, not the other way around. I think it's more comfortable to believe a greedy media company is involved rather than have to believe these people are so low as to parade their own tragedies on TV for money.

Dawn Whipple said...

Another thing people are talking about that relates to Jill's mothering and the basic lack of Izzy' s comfort is she is also dressing him in long sleeve heavy clothes in the hot and humid weather they live in. So she's been called out for not supporting his head, carrying him in the front pack with everything dangling, heavy clothes. Where is her motherly intuition for his basic comfort. I can not figure out how a mother would not be concerned about her baby being comfortable at all times. Something is wrong with her. It's a pattern.

Denisean said...

It's possible Jill has post-partum depression. One of the symptoms is little care shown toward the baby. I don't think Jill is necessarily lacking maternal/taking care of baby skills, cause she took care of many younger siblings. I think mentally, she is having a hard time.

Just Me said...

RE: Syndee's comments. I don't think it matters who came to whom once something like this scandal took place TLC had a moral obligation not to continue filming any Duggars.

Peachy said...

on Ben's facebook he lists working at a state farm office, if you follow the link to that office he is not listed as part of the "team". He should reflect his facebook correctly. (isn't that a sin?) I know I am stating the obvious.

Dee said...

Dawn Whipple, I get the same vibe about Jill. She simply does not have any common sense or compassion. It's like she's on auto-pilot. She was raised to be a 'good girl', check. She was raised to get married, check. She was raised to immediately pop out a baby, check.
The deeper meaning of being a wife and mother completely escape her, as well as being a decent human being. I honestly think that she believes that simply because she is a Duggar, she is an extraordinary human being.
If only she knew the truth....

Always said...

I agree that there should be some "morals clause," in a reality show, as there are in many other TV shows. Clearly the Duggars, have tried to portray themselves as righteous, pious & morally above everyone else. Since we are aware that they failed in the morals dept. they should no longer be considered fit for viewing, especially when it's known that children often view this show encouraged by their parents. Personally, I feel if you fail in the morals dept. you are failing in the righteous & pious areas also. Strange isn't it, how TLC immediately removed "Honey Boob Boo," from their line up with absolutely no chance of reprising that show due to, "moral issues" & yet here come the Duggars & all their baggage, which seems to continue to more be more morally perverted as more time passes. It's disgusting & they need to be removed a.s.a.p. There never should have been any consideration given to continuing this "ministry." Difficult to believe that their fans still consider this as a ministry.

Always said...

RE: Denisean's comments about Jill. Sadly, I don't think Jill even with her advanced education knows anything about post partum depression. If she knows anything at all, she knows it's not allowed in this cult. You get pregnant, have the baby, resume relations with your "wonderful husband," when the Bible allows & then you become pregnant again. There is no time allowed for your own personal mental health in this cult. She's a woman and she needs to continue to act like one, no matter what her mental state. You can't tell me Michelle hasn't suffered her share of post partum, but had to hide it, as best she could & be available to Jim Bob for all that hey, hey, hey, he's always talking about.

Murphy said...

I don't believe Jill aka Ms."like" has invested in any form of advanced education. Time after time, Jill confirms her ignorance.

Syndee said...

Why should TLC have any moral compass in regards to the Duggars? They are just the middleman, they are just broadcasting what the family gives them. The reason they took Honey Booboo off the air was not because they felt any moral obligation to stop filming, it was because they felt it wouldn't make any more money because of viewer outrage. They obviously feel differently about the duggars, it is clear there are still many supporters ready to pay a buck for the show.

I believe Jim Bob, and only Jim Bob, has the moral responsibility to keep his family out of the limelight. If they are broadcast, it is his fault and his moral failing, since he is in control, for not shielding his family and having some shame and modesty for what has happened. I don't like the idea of shifting the blame off of him and onto the media. He allowed all this to happen, scandals, messed up kids, etc., not TLC. They are just a trash version of a newspaper. Don't shoot the messenger.

(Ok, well they have some responsibility for misrepresenting abuse in their "special" by including the girls, but other than that it's JB all the way...)

KatieP said...

Since the older non married Duggar young men do nothing but sit around the sofas perhaps they could join the US military, serve & give back. With so many recent tragedies in the USA, it would be great to see a Duggar Give rather than Take!!!

Heart in Florida said...

The US Military is NOT for the Duggar sons. Those men can't be answering to a female superior officer, nor a superior officer who is of a different religious belief, or God forbid, no religious beliefs. They also would be living and interacting with female soldiers,sailors, or marines and they are not allowed to do so according to their parents. Their belief is "let someone else's son sign up. It will never happen.

Roo Doo said...

In regards to the Honey Boo Boo thing... My daughter was watching Extreme Cheapskates (she finds it hilarious) and a commercial came on for Marriage Boot Camp. And lo and behold, who is appearing on the show but Mama June and Sugar Bear. She must have thrown a major wobbler and threatened to sue (she has a point) over the Duggar girls' "special". The truly funny thing is that the commercial for the Duggar disaster was on at every break. Immediately followed by the Boot Camp spot. So not only is Mama June on TLC again, her appearances have equal billing with Jill, Jessa and Anna. Transparent much, TLC?

Roo Doo said...

The Duggars would never join the military. True service to others and sacrifice is not in their lexicon. And it would mean leaving the compound and experiencing the world, which is not acceptable. You can't bring your buddy team to the battlefield! They believe their lives are much better spent building up their quivers and attending ALERT training.

Always said...

RE: Murphy's reply. I should have noted that the "advanced education," for Jill was in jest. We all know there is absolutely no advanced education allowed in this cult. The Duggars are still referring to Jill as a "Certified Midwife." Although that's not exactly a 4 yr. degree program, still as far as the Duggar family goes they think she's highly educated, & they continue to tell everyone willing to listen, about all her educational achievmeents.

Special Ed Lady said...

Seems really odd to me, that a 25 year old man would want to share a bedroom with his much younger siblings. Not saying anything inappropriate goes on but I would think a man that age would want privacy. Oh wait, they cannot have that.

Mindi said...

TLC may not have any moral compass when it comes to the Duggars, but apparently if true, the sponsors do have a moral compass. According to all information coming over the internet the sponsors are leaving like rats from a sinking ship. Who knows if this is true but as with everything it will be follow the money to see if they continue to abandon the Duggars. No way can TLC continue with that show if the sponsors leave in droves. We can only hope so.

Elspeth said...

To be accurate Jill did complete the admittedly basic training in Arkansas and pass the test to be a certified professional midwife. No one is trying to pass that off as being a nurse midwife. Whether someone wants to use the services of someone with such limited training and experience is another matter.

Just ME said...

Has anyone ever seen Jim Bob squirm when asked about his boys joining the military? He can talk for an hour about how often they pray for the military etc. etc. but in the end there is never an answer to the question that was posed. That's an answer in itself.

Always said...

Just what you want when you are giving birth to a baby, a midwife with "basic training."

Dee said...

Katie P, in regards to your assertion that the older Duggar boys should serve some time in the US military; that goes against the Duggar's grifting way of life. Actually giving valuable service to our country does not fall within those parameters. They want to set up second rate little 'businesses' e.g. car lots, realty companies, etc so they have plenty of corporations they can shuffle money around to and avoid paying taxes, hide personal property...yanno.
Jim Bob knows good and well that if any of his kids ever served in the military they would be exposed to a life that scares him to death: one that doesn't have him squarely at the helm and would give them the opportunity to know people and see locations that are far removed from their fundie bubble.
JB has set himself up exactly where he's always wanted to be; as god of his own little compound. It seems that isn't working out for him quite as well as he'd hoped.

sheila said...

I think this whole mess is just going to keep getting worse and worse, but don't think it is possible for me to feel any more REPULSED by Jim Bob than I already am. It is truly repulsive to me to see yet another article on the Duggars and Jim Bob's mug is shown with Michelle gazing worshipfully at him. Barf. Just BARF.

Anna is not responsible for Josh's sins said...

I think the Duggars and esp. Anna,would be wise to all cut any and all ties at this point,with Josh.If she stays with him,the next scandal is going to be far worse,as Josh can only devise new and better ways to cheat,until he gets caught again.He will spend time in the 'prayer closet' with his iphone,ipad,or internet connection of choice,with apps to delete info and cover his tracks,imo.And there won't be any way for the rest of the family to proclaim his 'rehab' worked,or that he's changed for good,etc.,which I don't think will ever happen.He's shown what he thinks of this lifestyle and their beliefs,and they would all be doing themselves a favor to just let him go.If he's caged into it,things can only get worse.JMO

Mugphy said...

I would describe Michelle Duggar as vacuous yes definitely vacuous.

Ellyn said...

Re the Older Duggar boys & the military... I just don't believe the Duggars care about our brave men & women in the military as its just very difficult to believe anything they say because the majority of time, their lies are always Exposed! No sincerity or truth exists within the minds of Jim Bob & Michelle just Gothard thinking for each of them.

Murphy said...

Dee, You are correct. Jim Bob & Michelle are controlling & self absorbed people who oppress & restrict every area of their kids lives including the married ones. The Duggars are the epitome of a family who are "TAKERS" & never ones to give back. They always talk as if they give back but it's all a ruse & a bunch of bunk. Won't be watching the Jill "like" & Jessa upcoming program. There are more interesting things to do this holiday season.

Anna is not responsible for Josh's sins said...

Vacuous,yes,I would think anyone who graduated HS would know that phrases like "big pregnant" are not proper English,and could come up with a more descriptive term,such as "heavily pregnant",instead. Did JB have Michelle vacate her studies, in addition to cheer leading as well? She appears to have barely graduated HS at the most,scraping by with mediocure grades at best,IMO

Chloe said...

From what I've observed of Jim Bob & Michelle, they exhibit people with minimal vocabulary & are grammatically challenged. The most effective way to communicate with these two idiots is to speak using only one syllable words aka Jill Dillard "like" speak. Yet, TLC is of the opinion the Duggars are a credible & equitable family. Perhaps the Executive President of TLC is a follower of the Gothard Cult? I am suggesting this may be true otherwise why produce a program featuring Jill & Jessa who's minds are limited as they are only capable of discussing continual pregnancy, babies & pathetically attempting to sway or convert viewers to the hideous Gothard Cult which by the way is not working for them.

Bobbi said...

Yes, I have seen Jim Bob's reaction when approached about his sons serving in the military. Jim Bob is just the worst weasel & he's dishonest as the day is long. Just a real disgusting creep who FOOLS NO ONE!

Ellyn said...

Re the Older Duggar boys & the US Military.... Jim Bob Duggar defines the word Coward as he would never permit his sons to serve their country. What a complete ignorant Jerk!

Missy said...

I cannot understand how it is possible in this day & age of such advanced technology, that a man like Jim Bob Duggar can keep his entire family under his control, even when while his son's addiction to porn & turning to prostitutes, is splashed all over social media daily. I have questions too about why any man who has a wife who will always make herself available for her husband's "needs," would be using the services of a prostitute? Just exactly how much sex do these men "need?" Doesn't anyone else wonder about; "Demi God," Jim Bob? Don't the executives at TLC realize that they are most likely dealing with the head pervert himself? I have maintained since the very beginning of this scandal, that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, & nowhere is there more indication of that then in the Duggar compound.

Denisean said...

Missy, I don't think Josh having an affair had anything to do with lack of sex at home. It was because he had such a repressed upbringing, not even being allowed to explore normal adolescent curiosities about sex, he is making up for it now. Many kids who are sheltered tend to do crazy things once out of their parents home, but they aren't married. Josh couldn't get out any other way. Also, Anna also was raised so sheltered, what does she even know about sex? Available or not, I'm sure she is boring in bed. Not making an excuse for Josh by any means, but he is obviously very unhappy in this lifestyle that his parents made him live, and should just admit it and get out. Maybe he was hoping this behavior would get him banished, and he'd be free.

Dee said...

Murphy, you are 100% correct about the Duggars being takers. They *think* they're doing things for God and in His name, but in reality its all about them getting money to live off of, buses, planes, and plenty of media attention.

Wampascat said...

Gothard dictates, not only how often a wife should be available, but what positions are allowed and not allowed between a man and wife.

Tori said...

Denisean's comments about Josh having a repressed upbringing are exactly what I've been thinking.

I've known several children of preachers who were wild as they could be - one teen girl used to go in/out her bedroom window at night to party - her parents never found out either. Another one had a father who was super controlling; when she went to college, she went completely overboard and did a lot of harm to herself with sex and drugs.

The Duggars think they are raising Godly children, but they're making them much more curious by keeping them so sheltered. I'm not making excuses for Josh, but it's no wonder he decided to take the DC job and move - it was his chance to finally get away and do what he wanted. Unfortunately, it hurt his wife and children. They are the ones I feel sorry for.

Syndee said...

"Gothard dictates, not only how often a wife should be available, but what positions are allowed and not allowed between a man and wife."

No way!! I have to see a link for that....

Seriously, I did see the links that people have provided, about the dress code and why a molested sister is at fault, etc. I never seen anything regarding positions.

Also I'm thinking that in a way, Josh is the only one that really got away. The married sisters are still obedient, so maybe Josh just wanted to do the one thing that would get him really out of the cult and for good. Maybe he has completely ditched the rehab and that is why they are never mentioning anything about him. So they will keep Anna as a fair trade. Maybe they can't admit that he has jumped ship and for good.

Meme said...

Guys, we need to stop referring to Josh being in "rehab" or similar terms. He is not being treated any more than the rest of us. Who knows what he's really doing. This is the same type of baloney "treatment program" that his parents sent him to the first time. Or so I'm told.
Of course, the sex stuff may or may not have happened, depending on who you ask. Jessa wants to know, "how did this happen, someone you love?" She can't seem to keep her story straight since the Megyn Kelly interview. I guess the story you get depends on the $$$ being offered.

Confused in Germany said...

Re boycotting the Duggars. I am all for it. With one exeption: I am not willing to give up this blog. And I would have to, if I made it a 100% boycott. So this is my one blank spot in the ocean of boycott.

roddma said...

re:Mr.Keller
I don't like calling anyone creepy because of looks, but yea Mr.Keller does give me this unusual vibe. Daniel, I believe, submitted a letter here a few years ago stating he has health issues.

Re:'too bad, so sad's 'Good mother' list
Those things should read "being a good parent" as the kids have fathers, too. Even in the 21st century, society still genderizes parental responsibility. I wonder if Ben or Derick ever dress their kids, give them their bottle, etc. I know I have never seen Jim Bob change a diaper.

Judy said...

I don't know that just "growing up repressed" is why Josh has done the things he's done. I think it may be more than that. He seems to have had a problem for a long time that started when he was very young.

I don't think it has anything to do with Anna. Anna is just another victim. If anything, I got the sense that Anna was pushing for more sex because she wanted to get pregnant. She made a couple of references to getting pregnant on the show.

too bad,so sad said...

I totally agree that my post should have said, good parent. Thanks for correcting that. One of the things that I am most proud of is that both my children, a son and a daughter are very good parents. Both are hands on attentive parents without any gender definitions of what a father does verses what a mother does. My son has no concept of "women's work." There isn't anything around the house he won't do. Cooks, cleans, laundry etc. I believe more any more young men are like this. It is easy for them after they have to totally take care of themselves while in college and when they have their first jobs and are independent. I think that young adults in the Duggars' lifestyle never have those great experiences.

Bobbi said...

Jim Bob Duggar reminds me of a guy from the old west who sold snake oil. To me Jim Bob is a snake & a vile person. I have boycotted TLC. I refuse to watch anything connected with the Duggars.

Bobbi said...

Bill Gothard is a controlling & ugly idiot. This guy who has never married is now an expert on marriage, pregnancy & no birth control. What a bunch of BUNK! This guy is a weazle & worms his way into the lives of people he attempts to control. Bill Gothard is one sicko dude. He needs to be exposed by a credible media which is not TLC.

sheila said...

Wow, my immediate reaction is that I hope Jim Bob does NOT ever change a diaper. He skeeves me out just as much as Josh; we only have prove that Josh is into small children (admittedly, hopefully not that young - even though age 5 is just as bad.to me)... We have no proof about JB, but I would NOT be surprised. So gross.

coleen said...

The Duggars are in a doc about an adoption.

http://www.5dayadoption.com/

Murphy said...

Just watched a film about former FLDS Cult Leader Warren Jeffs. This was.the 2nd time I watched this film however this time, it was quite enlightening as I saw son much similarity in this Cult in comparison with the Gotgard Cult. Jim Bob & Michelle have placed their children in harms way specific to lack of educatiion, restricting where their kids go, the sick issue of courting that doesn't work, It is Jim Bob that is a Cult leader wannabe, he is Duplictious on so many levels, the Jeffs Cult lied their way out if many situations saying God spoke when clearly He didn't. The same is happening with Gothard & his "pick & choose" scripture from the Bible to suit his purpose. Gothard Who Never Married considers himself & expert on marriage. Gothard's rules of marriage are disturbing & skewed on so many levels. I see this Gothard only getting worse. Sadly the victims are the Children.

KimmieH said...

I am still perplexed as to what Derick Dillard sees in Jill?? I mean the guy went to a state college in OK was a member of a fraternity & probably dated intelligent & attractive women. Sadly Derick "settled" for uneducated "goody two shoes" "like" Jill. It's just so mind boggling to me why Derick threw away his intelligence & sadly sold out to moronic Jim Bob. If the reason Derick chose Jill was to become a temp celebrity on a reality program than this guy has no scruples or integrity. I just can't see how he could be attracted to ignorant Jill because Jill has zero substance & there's very little going in in that brain of hers.

Murphy said...

Ok so here we go again about the subject of adoption. & the pathetic Duggars. Well "golf clap" & a Big Yawn!!!

Chloe said...

Dee, frankly, I don't believe the Duggars really believe their faith. I believe they use God as a crutch because they believe viewers want to hear about their "pseudo" faith. Long ago the Duggars sold out God when the true God they follow is Creepy Bill Gothard.

TaRuthie said...

"I wonder if Ben or Derick ever dress their kids, give them their bottle, etc"

Both Jessa and Jill repeatedly remarked that they hadn't changed a diaper yet when their babies were weeks old, because Ben and Derick had changed them all. So the answer is YES they do. Don't think the husbands can breast feed the boys though, so NO they probably haven't given them a bottle. Any other silly questions????

Just Me said...

RE: Chloe's comment. I agree they feel Gothard is a God, but they have really sold out to their true GOD, the almighty dollar!

Just Me said...

I think Derick saw dollar signs when he saw Jill, via the TV show & Daddy Duggar! I may mention the dollars signs frequently in relations to the Duggars, because that is what they are truly all about.

roddma said...

"My son has no concept of "women's work." There isn't anything around the house he won't do. Cooks, cleans, laundry etc"
That's good to know.In this belief, I guess the mothers get blamed for every parenting fail.They are the ones doing the blanket training and homeschool.
Now Jim bob has hired Tabitha Paine, Erin Bates Paine's SIl, as a 'live-in' tutor. I honesty don't know why she would need to live with them or the real reason she's there. Wouldn't she be a temptation? I hope she wants to be there and like what she does, and not because she is sill controlled by her parents at 30.
The reason I asked that 'silly question' is Derick once said he was baby-sitting Israel. yea they may have changed diapers for a wekk, but it was likely only baby-sitting.

As far as the Duggar kids joining the military,I know Gothard's stance, but it's a heart felt personal decision that shouldn't be influenced by what the public thinks they need to do.It's certainly not for everyone. That said, if they ever wanted to I hope they would be allowed.

Lydee said...

I worked in social services for many years, specifically in the administration and review of public assistance benefits. I am not from Arkansas, but food stamps are a federal program and policy does not vary as much state to state, as does Medicaid. I was always appalled when I came across six figure,self employed households, with numerous deductions and creative accounting, receiving benefits. So it would not be surprising in the least, if Bin & Blessa, the Dullards and Anna & the M kids are feeding off the government trough, because technically they have little or no income, especially if all or most of their earnings are turned over to JB! We all know how much the Duggars love handouts!!

Girlfriend said...

I didn't see Jill on here as a licensed Lay Midwife. in Arkansas. http://www.healthy.arkansas.gov/programsServices/familyHealth/WomensHealth/Pages/LayMidwifery.aspx


Where is she licensed?

Denisean said...

Maybe neither of the new mothers changed diapers because they had their free slave, Jana, to do everything- not their hubby's.

Dee said...

Chloe, I think you're absolutely right. Referencing God is just rote at this point for the Duggars. What does it say in the bible about not being able to serve two masters? They chose money and fame over God long ago.

Meme said...

I'm seem to remember the diaper changing remark being a reference to Jana. Not sure. But I'm always a little surprised when a parent says that he/she is "babysitting" their own child. Um, Derick, it's not babysitting if you're tending your own child. That's called parenting.
BTW, did Derick have a college girlfriend?

JenTru said...

In response to Girlfriend, Jill calls herself a Certified Professional Midwife, which is not even a designation in Arkansas, just a Licensed Lay Midwife or a Certified Nurse Midwife. So I'm not surprised she isn't on the list!

Girlfriend said...
I didn't see Jill on here as a licensed Lay Midwife. in Arkansas. http://www.healthy.arkansas.gov/programsServices/familyHealth/WomensHealth/Pages/LayMidwifery.aspx


Where is she licensed?

Roo Doo said...

I found a channel on YouTube today that is dedicated to early Duggar TV, starting with the first "special" and leading up through 18 kids and counting. I watched from the beginning and was just flabbergasted at the hypocrisy of it all. Sponge Bob saying "we encourage our girls to be more than stay-at-home moms" and MeChelle talking about what a "dynamic" life they have. The last episode I watched before I had to turn it off was the one where Josh proposed to Anna. And they talked about how all the training and preparation they gave Josh as a kid prepared him for a long, pious, Godly marriage. It was mind boggling. I wanted to reach into the TV and shake Anna and scream RUN!!!!!!

Meme said...

Im sorry to be posting so much lately but it just keeps coming!
So Jill and Jessa aren't around to cook and "teach" anymore. Enter the new tutor. And observe Jana and Jinger as they step it up in the kitchen - as well as everywhere else. We all know that Michelle can't be bothered to work. Unless you count "hey hey" activities.
What I'd REALLY like a camera to show is a true picture of what the Dugs do all day. I cannot imagine that houseful of healthy, young adults sitting and staring at one another. And taking selfies. Forget the Duggars, I want a friend, tutor or CAMERAMAN to spill it. I truly believe that they are even trashier than we realize.

TaRuthie said...

From the one of the People magazine article shortly after Spurgeon was born-

"Jessa Seewald and her husband Ben are settling in and getting to know their new jobs as the parents of baby boy Spurgeon. Their little man is already one week old but Jessa is revealing that she hasn’t changed a single diaper yet.

Jessa fessed up, “Ben is changing all the diapers.”

Jessa states that Ben, not Jana, changed all of his diapers for the first week. I don't know who's changing them now, and it really doesn't matter to me as long as I don't have to do it, but according to Jessa, Ben changed them all during the first week.

So, bottom line, yes, Ben has changed a diaper.

Heart in Florida said...

Roo Doo, I agree with your post. They constantly contradict themselves. Glad to see that it's from the start too. So, just what IS IT that they "encourage their daughters" to be besides stay at home wives and mothers? There is NO evidence of any education, training or real jobs....EVER. I don't count Jill because she was "dabbling" in an interest, not real work.

Syndee said...

Yeah, and even the smaller kids, they are also sitting around and staring at one another. They have no activities at all besides maintaining a house, very little school, no sports, no scouting, no school clubs, etc. I remember one of the first shows I watched where they were building these ramps and go-carts for a race. It seemed the dumbest thing in the world, what a way to waste a day. I wondered at the time how they got the older boys to participate in that. They probably agreed because they were bored out of their skulls with nothing to do all day.

Ruby said...

Just saw a picture of baby Merideth on People website. Why on earth do the Duggars let Anna and Josh's baby show up in People magazine? It just strokes Josh's ego to know his baby is featured like this. Probably legitimizes his actions in his own mind. I take back what I have said about feeling sorry for Anna. This is just foolish and selfish on her part.

Cedric said...

Alert the entire world that Ben changed a diaper. Is People mag really this stupid?

Just Plain Offended said...

Even I read tons of books, read the news online, or watch an occasional movie (I don't have TV) when I have free time. None of these activities are available to the Duggar kids. The only things they seem to be able to do are play religious music and reading the bible. What a fail in parenting. The older kids are anything but healthy role models. No military service, no education, no creativity, no friends outside the cult, no intellectual curiosity, no initiative that I've ever seen. Every life goal seems to have been planted by Jim Bob. Good work, Jim Bob. You've raised a bunch of zombies whose pleasure seems to center around mowing down innocent animals on sleds.

Our kid, who is unmarried and twenty-four, has four jobs (three part-time), one volunteer, one his own fledgling company, one tutoring math, and the main one for an airline so he can travel around the world before he settles down. Traveling alone - no buddy - imagine that! Yet we couldn't be more proud of the adventurous, respectful and respected, hard-working, fun-loving person he's become. As much as we miss him, he doesn't belong at home with his parents at this age. I would consider myself a mega failure as a parent if he lived at home right now instead of paying his own bills and making his own way in society. And I suspect the parents who write on this blog have the same kind of kids doing the same kinds of things.



KatieP said...

The insanity behavior of the Duggars is disgusting & I will never watch these idiots again. They do not live in the real world.

Tammy in NH said...

I didn't read the story but I see a headline of a story saying Anna and Josh are writing love letters to each other. LOL. Well isn't that just sweeeeeeeeeeeeet ! (inserting sarcasm here.)

And another headline that Anna shares her heartbreak (or whatever it said) in the Jill and Jessa Special. Modest much ?? !!

Haven't had TLC on since what ... June? TLC is a has-been channel in my home.

Gawd when will they be gone ?? Since I don't watch TLC any longer I don't have to see any commercials or any TLC crap. Now if they just could stop appearing everywhere on the internet !!!!! I don't even watch The Little Couple anymore (the one show I liked) due to the fact I refuse to watch TLC.

Up until Jill's wedding I liked to watch the Duggars. The shows leading up to the wedding were "TOTALLY!" over the top for me and I realized I was done with the Duggars. After the scandals and with TLC still pushing them, I became done altogether with TLC.

Just ME said...

Ruby the answer to your question about why the Duggars would allow Josh & Anna's baby Meredith to show up in People, is one of the easiest questions ever asked. The answer is, ready for this:"MONEY!"

Marie said...

Does anyone wonder where the live in tutor lives? Do you think she shares a room with the other girls? Does the tutor have any education experience? Sorry for all the questions. With my background in education I believe as the kids are taught by their older siblings it becomes a home school of dumbing down. I have a feeling the tutor is with the family as a disciple of Jim Bob.

Ellyn said...

The Duggars & TLC are shame based. Shame on TLC promoting the Gothard Cult, promoting isolation & restriction of children, poor educatiion, lazy children,children with no marketable skills, a father with a dictatorship persona, a mother who Isn't, adult kids not permitted to lead a life of freedom, Greed, loyalty to Gothard never to God. This sick Cult becomes worse in a daily basis.

Wednesday said...

As far as Jessa not changing any diapers: Why is she proud of that? Don't mothers like to take care of their children? They are just so detached from their little ones. I don't get it.

Missy said...

I agree with all of Marie's points re: the Paine girl, the tutor. I don't believe she has any real educational experience or any education beyond homeschooling herself. Why she is the one in particular chosen to teach the Duggar kids is anyone's guess. Not sure of her age but she looks very young. One thing we can be sure of is, she isn't getting paid in dollars & cents. Perhaps she's being given autograph copies of all the Duggar books, & of course there's the honor of serving the Duggars.

Stephanie said...

I have not been keeping up with the Kardasians, I meant Duggars (what's the difference?) anyway can someone share the tutor situation? There are some good questions on the board.
Just from hearing that they have a tutor my guess is its a "friend/volunteer/servants heart type" I cannot imagine why they would hire help when the kids do everything on the computer.
Also, way back when they built the house why didn't they build a classroom with desks computers marker boards smart boards etc?

Pam said...

I was thinking the same thing Wednesday. Why would Jessa brag about not changing diapers? That is not something she should be proud to admit. I could see her being thankful to Ben for changing them the first few days since she had complications and needed to rest, but she came across as bragging.

JeannieBean said...

My take on the live-in tutor...Perhaps she's being groomed to be the next "Duggar Bride". Have her live with the family for an extended period of time, be exposed to each member of the family (the males in particular and under watchful, chaperoning eyes, of course) and see if something sparks between any of them. It really doesn't matter WHICH male as the older ones are all looking for brides. I think it's just JB's way of matching up a son to get more breeding going.

Denisean said...

JeannieBean- I believe Tabitha Paine, the tutor, is 30, so I am sure she is not expected to be a duggar bride. The only boy (man!) even close in age is John-David, who is still only around 26.

I believe she was sent there to teach because she is 30 and unmarried and her parents had to have her do something.

Stephanie- Tabitha is the sister of Chad Paine, husband of Erin Bates. She is supposedly living with the Duggars and homeschooling the children.

Michelle (not Duggar) said...

I don't get the live-in tutor thing. Is Josh there? Is she willingly going into a home that housed (houses) a sexual predator? With a family that KNEW about it but brushed it under the rug? Can we say with certainty that one of the other boys (and men!) living there are safe? They were raised under the same cult beliefs as Joshie! Shaking my head... How many kids have to move out before Michelle takes on the work herself? Two daughters move out and she hires help! Maybe on 2 Kids and Counting we'll see Michelle do a dish or cook for her family.

Stephanie said...

I never got the impression that Chad was Gothard. Was I wrong? I would be surprised if Duggars had non Gothard type in the house and more surprised that a non Gothard type would choose to be there especially at age 30.
Still don't think she is getting paid. We have seen Jimbob go into a fast food chain with people working minimum wage and Jimbob trying to get free meals. We saw him use skilled workers help build their house just because they "wanted to help" that list goes on and on.

Ruby said...

Well, well--Miss Jessa finally got the smirk wiped off her pretty little pouty lip face with a really hard contraction whilst pushing out the babe. Sorry she had a complication but maybe she'll think twice before she tries another apparently unassisted home birth.

Mary said...

Both Jilly and Jessablessa are just like her Michele. They will have one of their sister living in their house to do all the work. So know we have Queen Michele, Queen Jessa, Queen Jill. And the next sister will be the maid of for Jessa and Jill. Wondering if the tudor is for one of the boys. How can they afford to buy a plane and maintain it... They still poor right. Oh yeah sorry Jim Bob some of those sons will never marry women. You can send them away and try to fix them will not work


Mary

Anna is not responsible for Josh's sins said...

The Paine family is full on Gothard/ATI.Chad and Tabitha's father quit his job as a medical Dr to be on the board of ATI

Syndee said...

Maybe the parents of the tutor just don't care about what Josh did and maybe some of the other boys. It occurred to me that maybe the sister-diddling is so common that they all just brush it under the rug and she will just sleep in the room with the other girls for protection like they all do.

Denisean said...

Sydnee... you took the words right out of my mouth... Families in their cult apparently have a lot of sexual abuse- MEchelle even alluded to that in her Megyn Kelly interview. Probably the Paine's think what Josh did was mild compared to others they know. And yes, she is with the other girls, with a locked door. It's worked for years now, so they think they have fixed the issue.

Lydee said...

Ike just saw on the TLC Facebook page, on the left hand side, under visitor posts, an Instagram photo that someone found,date stamped 12/3/15, showing the Dullard and Izzy outside a Food Pyramid store( none in South or Central America) with one of their crazed fans... Could they be back so soon from their "mission"?

No Longer a Fan said...

Jessa hasn't been changing diapers b/c that's not her job. A wife/mother's role is to get baby out and then make another one ASAP. The virgin aunt or henpecked hubby can do the dirty work.

Stephanie said...

Denisean
Michelle didn't allude to other church members have suffered sexual abuse, Jimbob out right said it. Something TLC would never had let air.

sheila said...

I was just reading Colossians 3. (Amplified). This is another example (in my opinion) of how the Duggars pick and choose verses to prove that their beliefs are true and Godly: Colossians 3:18 "Wives, be subject to your husbands [subordinate and adapt yourselves to them]..."
Colossians 3:20 Children, obey your parents in everything..."
They use these verses, somewhat out of context, to prove themselves correct, however, if you read further Colossians 3:21 states "Fathers, do not provoke or irritate your children [do not be hard on them or harass them lest they become discouraged and sullen and morose and feel inferior and frustrated. [DO NOT BREAK THEIR SPIRIT]" «emphasis mine» From blanket training, which to me implies breaking their spirits by making them afraid to explore their natural curiosities, to controlling every single aspect of every single child regardless if that child or children are fully grown adults, Jim Bob, in my opinion, violates and goes against every instruction in that verse. Why do we never see belief in, respect of, as well as concern for ALL of his children? I believe JB is his own god, thus in his "knowledge" he takes what is useful and ignores that which may impede his control over ANY and ALL situations. I feel for the children brought up with these beliefs. As I am writing this, if this comment is approved, I certainly do not want to offend anyone by quoting some scriptures. I was just doing some reading this afternoon and this jumped out at me.

Syndee said...

Ha, my favorite line from a starpulse article

"Whether he will reunite with his wife and children or face divorce court is unknown, but expect TLC to be standing by ready to create another "special" on the first Duggar divorce if that happens."

So true, so true....

http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2015/12/11/josh-duggar-has-nothing-to-say-about-s#3cRuVwvfVpJYxP4w.99

Syndee said...

Also, this cry a lot of tears thing... Usually crying is a "woman's thing" because for women it is not that acceptable to show anger. So the feelings build up and crying is the outlet. But when you get the men crying too... probably even the boys are not allowed to show anger and you get grown men crying. Just so disturbing.

I thought of, what if my own brother was caught in an affair. Well, I'd feel bad for the wife and maybe try to contact her to go see the kids. Or, I would feel she had something to do with the bad marriage and try to support my brother. But in neither case could I see myself crying. Them, yes, but me, well no.

Leigh Ann said...

I noticed this and that story mentioned above.

"However, it is evident that the Duggars are no longer making excuses for Josh's actions. There is speculation that their change of heart is an attempt to rebrand themselves so TLC will allow the family — minus Josh — to ease back into a full-time (and lucrative) TV gig.
Read more at http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2015/12/11/josh-duggar-has-nothing-to-say-about-s#UzJheVLUwGgI6dcw.99"

They should't make excuses for Josh, he should be held accountable, but they shouldn't throw him under the bus for the sake of TV or money, either. That's just appalling.

Nancy Ann said...

Stephanie, Chad Paine is very Gothard. His father, Dr. Stephen Paine, is on the Board of Directors for the IBLP--the main Gothard organization. I believe Stephen Paine is one of the people listed in the current IBLP lawsuit.

Syndee said...

"“That was a little more of a shock probably than the first stuff coming out,” he says about discovering Josh had been “unfaithful” to his wife, Anna, during the Ashley Madison hack. The father of four also admitted to a pornography addiction in August.
Joseph, 20, claims that the family had no idea Josh was “living such a secret life.”

OK, I just can't stand it anymore. Joseph and John David are saying that there is more shock from the affair than from the molesting?? They had no idea Josh was living a secret life - but... they did know he did the molesting happened??

Elspeth said...

I can understand what they are saying. The infidelity and pornography is hitting them harder than the public revelation of the molestation. They have known about the molestation for years and years and the family "made peace" with it years ago. It was only it becoming public that they recently had to handle. To then find out that Josh wasn't really healed from his sexual problems and has a further issue is new to them and is therefore hitting them harder at this time. It isn't that they find one worse than the other. Both are recent news for the viewers but not for the Duggars.

cat said...

Since none of the duggars have ever showed any emotions,I find this odd, I also wonder if jimbob was standing in front of them with cards, telling them what to say. This show is really getting alot of press. .

Leigh Ann said...

I agree, Elspeth, very well put. They thought the molestation was a phase he went through, they dealt with it and was over, now they're realizing he's had a deep problem for a long time and it's much bigger than they ever imagined.

Syndee said...

No matter how many years anyone's known about it, there is something just so skeevy and disgusting about the incest that no amount of time can erase. I just can't see how an affair is in any way worse. Anna as an adult would have the emotional tools to be able to move on, either with forgiveness or divorce, but a kid, what can they do when an older boy, especially with "parental" powers over them, comes at them like that. They are scarred for life. I don't believe there is any forgive and forget deep down in any of them. Like cat said, they don't have real emotions so it's so weird that all 5 of them on cue were crying, really only about the affair of their brother, but not about the incest of their sisters.

Denisean said...

What a culture where molesting your sister is normal, but viewing internet porn isn't.

pretty girl said...

anyone see this new flim the duggars were in called 5 day adoption. they want you to buy it or rent it. wonder why this family would want the duggars to be involved. also I think they might be getting some kind of cut in this flim.

Heart in Florida said...

Syndee: I agree with your post. Sad, that Anna and many other females in that system have NOT been brought up to have the emotional tools needed to deal with a failure on the part of their husbands. They fully expect since they followed all the rules of Gothardism, that their lives will be close to perfect and blessed by God even in the smallest of ways. I'm sure it's a shock to Anna to find out that it isn't a magic formula.
I also find it appalling that the family's view of sexual molestation isn't "that big of a deal", but this IS. Perhaps if their immature parents handled the situation when Josh was a teen in the proper ways, things could have been better for Josh...they have really failed Josh first and foremost if you ask me. If JimChelle did the right things and ALL THAT THEY COULD DO to help their son at that time, then the public would view them differently now....but they didn't. They put that "homemade" cure within their cult in the mix like they do everything else. See how well that worked for them? Those two are the root of the problem. They didn't handle it properly from the get go. They also don't value their daughters very much, do they?

Heart in Florida said...

The Keller parents seemingly have abandoned their daughter, Anna, in her time of need. THEY are her blood family and should be there for her regardless of their cult beliefs. Parents are parents...always. Remember, blood is thicker than water, and JimChelle's first concern IS their own son, not Anna. They also are selfish, immature middle aged people. Shame on the Keller parents if this is true of them.

Stephanie said...

You know what I was thinking? The Duggars shelter and give their kids these strick rules, no school college jobs must travel in pairs can't text or talk to the opposite sex etc but yet they have given the kids adult responsibilities like child care at very young ages. Using the stove to cook etc. having the boys fix cars, sewer electrical, having the teen girls lay down tile, all of them having their own drills and helping build the house and mostly having the middle school aged kids use heavy farm equipment and machinery.

Sidenote: remember we used to see Josh doing a whole lot of nothing at work etc. ? How did he have time to sit on the internet? I guess I could say the same about myself but internet porn is very secretive. I look at the internet in the public library Josh could not. It just seems so time consuming and deceitful and all of the money it had cost him while he has Anna on a low budget with her breasts feeding cloth diapers and home births to save money. There are so many betrayals on different levels. He spent 1,000$ on Ashley Madison and who know how much he spent on other things no one knows about. And that's why one spouse shouldn't make all the decisions. How will they divide the responsibly when he comes home?

Just Me said...

I cannot imagine abandoning my daughter the way the Keller's have. Anna apparently thought all was well within her marriage. I think this happens to others & not just necessarily those within a cult like the Duggars. However when something as tragic as this happens within a "real family," the parents, usually the blood related parents, although sometime the in-laws, usually step up to the plate & offer any & all the help the can manage. I know, if something like this were ever to happen in my family, I am 100% sure that at least my own parents would come through for me, & the kids, even if it meant living in their basement. I know the Kellers live in a small trailer, however they have lived there for quite sometime with Anna & her other siblings. Somewhere in that small trailer there is room for Anna & those kids, if her parents are willing, but I don't believe they are. I don't think Mr. Keller would ever go against Jim Bob & his son, even if it meant sacrificing his own daughter & grandchildren. He has worshiped the Duggars ever since Josh decided to look favorable on Anna, or should I say Jim Bob & Michelle decided to look favorably on her as a possible future daughter-in-law. Anna was everything the Duggars needed in that family, talk about being a sheep. Nobody has followed the Duggars as blindly as Anna has since the beginning, unless it's her parents.

Stephanie said...

Heart in Florida
Jimbob and Michelle are sheltering Anna away from divorce. Look at how many people, friends and family, could have the time and opportunity to steer Anna away from Josh. The Duggars have money and lots if helping hands to a single mother of four and that may seem like the right move to Anna.
Not that Jimbob and Michelle shouldn't take them in but their resources are considerably more tempting especially after Anna's brother (and maybe others) have spoke out saying Anna should leave Josh.
Jimbob and Michelle aren't totally bad people but certainly have their own agenda and put it first.

Stephanie said...

Cat had a great point about D kids not being able to show emotion and we suspect from the preview that John and Joe are crying. Remember the last pregnancy announcement? Jimbob horse collared Josiah back into camera frame and we suspected that he got a "talking to" from dad to pull it together.
Would love for Josiah to break away and tell the truth about everything.

Disgusted with Duggars said...

I'm sorry but I cannot agree that Jim Bob & Michelle are not totally bad people they just have their own agenda. Just look at the mess that family is & tell me again that thy are not "bad people." In my opinion they have Anna so isolated that she is practically imprisoned, in order to keep her & the children with them, & not get any ideas about leaving Josh. They way they have preached to everyone they could get near about how their belief system is by far better than anyone else's, how pure their children are, they don't allow outside influence's into their home, they don't allow education. When you add it all up, it's more than just their own agenda.

Just Me said...

On a totally different subject, but one that came to mind today, as I was watching a documentary on the Stonehenge Empire. What a total waste it was for the Duggars to have that trip to Stonehenge. I will always remember that the archaeologist was so pleased to get special permission for them to go into areas not usually allowed to the public & it meant absolutely nothing to the Duggars. Anna tried to say that it was nice for the kids to listen to the archaeologist explain things to them, but Michelle was just furious when the man asked if those were their children running wild all over the place. She explained in a talking head moment, that the kids had all that energy & needed to run it off there. Actually, as with many other times, the kids were exhausted & of course bored. You don't take little ones like, Jennifer, Jordyn, Josie, MacKenzie to a place like that. As a matter of fact you don't take all those wild boys there either.

Nana8 said...

Joshua's deviant behavior falls directly from papa's tree. I can only hope that the secret's exposure will bode for better emotional and mental health in his offspring.

cat said...

Ben looks at jessa the way michelle looks at jimbob. ..

pretty girl said...

just want to say one thing Josh and Anna went to Church in DC were is their Pastor did they try and help them overcome this or did they run home to mom and Daddy. This is not a normal Christian Family. They have no Pastor do not attend a reguler Church. Something is wrong here.

Annie said...

Am I the only one that thinks that Josie looks odd? I am not picking on her, kids are cute in general but she has a "sickly, there is something wrong with me" look about her that is concerning.

About the post of their visit to Stonehenge: Historical places of this sort are wasted on this bunch. I am frankly surprised that they went at all. After all, it was built by a people for some sort of worshiping that isn't clear yet. The fact that most of the Duggar young'uns were running amok isn't surprising. They have run of the house and every other place they go and are excused for being "high energy". Usually that term goes hand in hand with the phrase "they don't know any better". I have family members just like this. In my parenting experience/opinion, if a child has the ability to do something and the energy to do it-they can be taught (disciplined) to do otherwise. This family would not be welcome in my home. I wouldn't have the energy to clean up after they leave.

Sarah said...

So recapping back to the wedding episodes, when Ana took his phone away, we all now know what he was doing. Looking at his Ashley Madison account! LOL

Chloe said...

Sarah, I don't recall the episode with the phone. Was this at Josh/Anna's wedding or one of Josh's sisters weddings?

Cedric said...

Well typical brainwashed Josh & Anna they definitely ran or sprinted to creepy Jim Bob & doormat Michelle.

Leia said...

Cat, True the deer in the headlights look as well as the I just worship
Everything you say & do. You are the puppet master just pull my strings & I'll march to the beat of your drum.

Murphy said...

Added up the sum is the Duggars are embedded within this sick Gothard Cult!

Heart in Florida said...

It's sad that this family actually has been a damaged family from the get go. When Josh molested his sisters and another female, that's when their failings surfaced. It has been quite some time since then and they had the audacity to go on TV as an "encouraging example of a GOOD Christian family?" Sorry,, they are anything but. They believed that they could keep their own dysfunction hidden from the public and promote themselves on speaking engagements, interviews, etc about how their formula was a recipe for a successful, trouble free, family....you kids will not disobey you, etc. They are a bunch of hypocrites themselves. Jill and Jessa were so painful to watch on that show Sunday night, Jill can't complete a sentence without "uh,,like", and Jessa seemed to try to keep a lid on her "bitch meter". Please forgive me for that "b" word, but there wasn't another one I could use to describe her. She seems to be really a nasty, short tempered and conceited girl. Poor Ben will never truly satisfy her as he is a pleaser and she a taker.

Always said...

RE: Annie's comment . I totally agree with you about Josie. Although she sheems bright with singing playing the guitar etc.it's obvious that she has a good memory for all the words in the songs she's singing. But she definitly has an odd look at least to both you & me. I must say I have never understood what that sticky stuff is that Michelle insists on putting in her hair & it seems like they try to cover her forehead. Whenever I have commented about Josie's appearance I have had a flood of replies telling me I am wrong & that she's the most adorable of all the kids. So I guess maybe it's just the two of us with this opinion..
RE: The Stonehedge comment. I though t it was ridiculous for them to take all those kids there. Not only were the kids not the least bit interested, neither were the adults. A total waste, but then again so was the entire trip. All they did on any trip was make fun of the way people talked, the way they drove, the food they ate. The entire Duggar family doesn't have a clue about what international travel means as far as educating yourself about other countries & the people that live there.

Chloe said...

The Classless & Bad Mannered Duggars wee clueless about decent behavior when they traveled outside of the USA! What an Embarrassment. Just for a moment think back to when Jill & Jessa were of HS age. I can imagine these 2 in a regular HS. They definitely would have NEVER been popular. I doubt these 2 would have been in a honors class much less make the honor roll. Perhaps because of their odd mode of dress & the skanky Gothard Cult could be a reason no Duggar has ever been permitted to enroll in regular Arkansas schools. They are truly laughable!

Anna is not responsible for Josh's sins said...

I think the worst thing JB did when they traveled,was tease the horesmen.He was rude and acted cocky and dumb,and even Michelle grew a backbone and berated him for it.I think she ought to do that more often!

Annie said...

Holy Cow! Just when I thought I had heard it all from Crazy Eyes and JB. http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/jim-bob-michelle-duggar-baby-adoption-80955

Yep, they apparently are looking into wanting to adopt another baby to add to the joy at home. According to Crazy Eyes "Saying there are too many children is like saying that there are too many flowers.". Actually, you can have too many flowers in a vase or a flower bed and they don't thrive or some take over...just sayin'.

What agency in the WORLD would give them a child?!? Yikes. Can you imagine a toddler going into that family? Cripes. I think that they have officially lost it. I wonder what the case worker would think on the home visits.

Heart in Florida said...

I agree with you, Annie, however what makes you think that the Duggars will go to a real, reputable adoption agency? They would be turned down, if for nothing else, their ages, let alone all of the other reasons they'd be turned down. From what I have heard, adoption agencies ensure that the adopted child has a proper bedroom, with some space and privacy; which the Duggar family does NOT provide in the least, and their molestation issues in the family, I'm sure they'd be turned down. Which brings me to the "other avenues" that they could pursue..those not reputable or legitimate agencies that operate within their cult of a religion and those who accept 'pay outs' for a child. I'm sure Jim Bob would know where to go, if Michelle wanted yet another "blessing". That middle aged teenager needs to realize that the "mommy ship" has sailed quite a few years ago and she refuses to "dock it in port". She needs to concentrate on the kids she already has who are severely neglected and overtired and improperly fed...Jana already has too much to do; SHE doesn't need another one to care for. Shame on Jim Bob and Michelle for refusing to "embrace the season of life in which the Lord has brought them to"...Leave it up to God????My foot.

Benjerman's Hair said...

Of course the Duggars knew what Stonehenge was: it was a hitching post for Noah's dinosaurs!

Syndee said...

If they adopt their show may come back. I'd have trouble not watching, even just for the rubbernecking aspect

Murphy said...

If a definition of the Duggars were in the dictionary this would be it... Narciisdistic, contradictory, distorts truth to suit their purpose, often lies, entitled/elitist, obsessed with sex, obsessed with pregnancy, Mother ignores younger children, Greedy, Father is a charlatan & wannabe cult leader, worships Bill Gothard, limits children's education, all Duggars verbally challenged, all Duggars of limited intelligence, projects false image to viewers, parents sold out family to reality TV, Not a ministry, definitely a Cult!

Chloe said...

Jim Bob has the brains of a Gnat! No filter, No common sense, No manners & No Class!! When they passed out class Jim Bib said did you say glass & can I have mine filled? That's the level of stupidity always embraced by Jim Bob Duggar. It's a Fact! What an idiot!

Lydee said...

When i saw the latest about JB $ M " adopting" ,( most likely to serve as an exciting new storyline for Counting On"), all I could think about was that reprehensible,fundie couple from Arkansas who adopted two little sisters and when the girls began acting out,they claimed that the girls were possessed by the devil and dumped them into another family where at least one of them was molested. The story had been featured on 20/20 and the husband, Justin Harris had Ben some sort of politican in Arkansas . Some how I see a common thread with this whole new "adoption" revelation!!!

Just Unbelievable said...

RE:Syndee's comment. The Duggars have been talking adoption ever since the miscarriage of Jubilee. They have never made a move towards that, because if they had we would be hearing about it all over "People." They are looking for exactly what you say you will give them: Viewers. It absolutely breaks my heart, that this family will resort to just throwing everything under the sun out there to see what will stick, & it doesn't take much to get their hook into someone. I worry for this country when I hear that a family of hypocrites like the Duggars say something like "adoption" & people decided, well now that's worth watching even if there is a pedophile in the house. Plese Syndee stop & think , these people wouldn't even allow CPS into their home after Josh had admitted to molesting their daughters. I'm talking only a few months ago when that phone call was released asking for a police escort at the Duggars. I think the world is just going crazy if anyone thinks for one minute it will be an above board real adoption. If it isn't, would you really watch an some illegal, probably a black market paid for adoption for a child that Jim Bob put out feelers to buy. Absolutely ridiculous

Lindsey said...

As the grandmother of an adopted child, it hurts my heart terribly that the Duggars have again referred to "adoption" as a way to take bad publicity off their family. Knowing first hand what goes into adoption, I can tell you right now the Duggars are not candidates for a real adoption. I'm just heartsick to think that people would think a move like that was worthy of watching

All Done said...

Thanks Murphy you've said it all & sharply defined the Duggars.

Regarding Duggars said...

If adoption were ever to happen in the Duggar house I hope Jana could handle the extra responsibility, because Jim Bob & Michelle would be out & about, all over this country & perhaps even abroad, giving another testimony. This one would be all about the rewards of adoption. They probably wouldn't be able to remember whether or not it was even a boy or a girl!

Anna is not responsible for Josh's sins said...

The Duggars are apparently trying to give the illusion that their home is still worthy of adding children.I think we all know that is BS

IU HOOSIER said...

Re a Duggar adoption.. I don't believe Jim Bob & Michelle would seek the proper or correct method of adoption they would go the route of the backdoor method or seek a person within the Gothard Cult to sanction an adoption. With the Duggars it's akways deceptive & shady behavior. On another note this 12/26, my college IU is in the Pinstrioe Bowl in NYC we will play Duke in this football game. Proud of the Hoosiers!

Murphy said...

You can bet if JB & M attempt to adopt a child it will not be via a reputable or credible agency. They will go through their sick Gothard Cult. Just so creepy gives me chills & not in a good way.

Just Plain Offended said...

It's cruel enough that JB and M use their naturally born children as pawns, but to bring an elsewhere born, innocent child into their home for personal gain is simply beyond comprehension. I've yet to read a single comment on any of these latest articles that supports such a move. Besides, the technicalities of an adoption aren't possible if they do it legitimately. Jim Bob is too cheap to pay fees (Is he planning to dicker for a discount? two for the price of one?). Outsiders would need to be brought into their home on multiple occasions for the purpose of judging their suitability as adoptive parents (How many lies would they tell to get what they want?). Most adoptions require some form of contact with birth parent(s) even if the child is older (How supportive would they be of a mother who didn't keep her blessings?). And so on.

Re. the recent show, I did not watch because primarily I can't bring myself to view the children as public entertainment. The Dionne quintuplets wrote a book and a moving letter to the McCaughey parents years ago expressing the damage done to children who are viewed as entertainment and used to make money for others. As adults, they said that their lives were ruined by being put them on display as children even though as children they didn't understand what was going on.

And what parents in their right minds put their kids on a national stage to diss their sibling? A loving parent's inclination is not to deliberately seek out that kind of publicity for their child no matter what he/she did. The logical explanation for allowing it is that JB and M do NOT love any of their children. The children are simply objects to be used for their own glorification, especially Jim Bob because he thinks he on a par with God. Plenty of evidence exists that they may LIKE their kids, and think Jessa is beautiful, Jill, pious, etc., but that's about it.

Ruby said...

So will the Duggars adopt a baby for their unwed adult daughters in order to appease them and let them play house with a real live baby while these girls are stuck in the house waiting for their prince charming? There are so many children already and grandchildren too, they can hardly take care of them on an emotional or even physical level.

Michelle said...

They won't be able to adopt through a reputable agency, but they could possibly pull strings in fundiland and be successful. Perhaps some young fundi girl who went out without a chaperone and went crazy like Josh did.

Syndee said...

Did anyone actually watch that 5 day adoption movie trailer that JB and M are promoting. The description is that it was only 5 days for everything, home visit, approval, everything. That would be bad just for the suddenness of it, no time to really let it sink in. Anyway that certainly couldnt be a legitimate way to evaluate a family and do a good placement. Bottom line is, I'll bet they're going this route.

Syndee said...

Re: fundie implusive teenage sex baby - but then wont it be tarnished by the sins of the parents? So therefore unacceptable?

Mary said...

Hi

Hope your all have having good day. If you look back on a episode when Ark had a large ice storm. Many trees were damaged. If you watch the episode toy will see the Bates arrive . As soon as the arrived Gill and his sons get out of truck and start cutting down trees, Jim Boob just stands there and does nothing. But makes silly jokes and statements.

jlp said...

I agree - being adopted myself I can't imagine any agency approving them as they already have a family of 19!

Just Me said...

One thing that really is aggravating to me, is the constant reference to TLC abruptly cancelling the Duggars. That was the longest most drawn out few months in TV history for a show that is said to have been "abruptly cancelled!"

zebracrossing said...

the comments from 'Just Plain Offended' about risking their children's lives by putting them out there in the public's eye...and the damage that was done to the Dionne sisters...so true. It also makes me wonder about the safety. I remember Jonbenet Ramsey's father saying that if he could do everything over again...he would have NEVER put his daughter in the public's eye ... the pageants she was in. And Jonbenet wasn't really known until after her murder.

There are just too many weirdos out there who could injure a child (adult or younger) when you are in the public's eye like they are. Maybe they are willing to risk that...kind of like Derrick saying they are willing to risk HIS child's safety being in Central America. I just don't think the 'ministry' is worth the damage that has already been done...who knows the damage that is ahead (and I am only thinking psychologically but even beyond that).

This family needs to live a normal life - outside of the media frenzy. I wish they could see the opportunity they were given when the show was cancelled. Instead...they have been pushing to re-emerge and re-brand. Sad.

Special Ed Lady said...

We adopted twice. We could only do it twice because there are so many couples and so few available kids. Most agencies would not approve them because they all ready have a large family. Exceptions are made for sibling groups or special needs kids. I cannot see Jim Bob or Michelle doing that. You can not be more than 40 years older than the child you are adopting. The adopted child may share a bedroom with only one sibling. The dorm style would not be approved.

Ginger said...

I am by no means any defender of Josh's, in fact, I have never liked him or his high opinion of himself. I have always thought he was a jerk. Having said that, I wonder how living with a father like Jim Bob affects a teen boy?Jim Bob has had sex on his mind 24/7 for as long as I have watched that show. It was always so blatant & tasteless, right out there for everyone to know what he was thinking about. Telling everyone how many kids they have, Michelle has been good to me, etc. Usually to complete strangers. I would think any kid in that house would be subject to becoming overtly interested in sex as result of his dad's obsession with it. This doesn't in any way excuse Josh who did terrible things as an married adult man, a dad to 4 children. But you really have to wonder what effect Jim Bob's sex obsession has had on his kids.

Annie said...

I am going to have to watch the 5 day adoption trailer that Crazy Eyes and JB are endorsing. I haven't until now because I was under the impression that it was against their belief system of going against God's plan of "giving them blessings".

I can't imagine an actual adoption going through in that little time. Now, I have read the comments of them skirting legal and regular agencies-understood. I know several people that have adopted and it (as many of us know does and should take longer) is more involved than that as home visits are needed, background checks, the birth mother needs to be sure etc. Plus, laying all of that aside what if there are attachment issues with the child? Even with newborns, attachment issues can occur depending on the situation. This doesn't even bring into the picture what the pregnancy has been like and what the mother's health has been or what she has done to herself and how that will affect the baby. I doubt the Duggars would even admit to or address said problems. Plus, who pays for the delivery and legal fees? Do plan on having the mother deliver in their home? Also, in a "normal" adoption only the adopting parents or grandparents are allowed to care for or babysit for the first few months. At least in my state. I don't think adoptive siblings would count as full time caregivers. Crazy Eyes and JB would be out of luck here. That is the first few months before the adoption is made legal.

Syndee said...

Well maybe it's not an infant. Even so, just the shock of going through an adoption in 5 days would make anyone's head spin. It took me longer than 5 days to decide on buying a new washing machine, much less adding a new human being to my family and have the house ready, etc. I am so betting they are doing some weird fundie thing to get a kid, if this isn't all rumor.

Tell us what you think of the movie when you see it.

puddin said...

I hope to heck that Jimboob and Meechelle DO NOT ADOPT...and will the adoption agency look at Josh Duggars history with the molesting of 4 of his siblings? This could be a disaster for a child that is placed with them....And to Poor Jana She will never ever get away from this bunch. Duggars Are doing this to try and look good AKA they want to look good so TLC or whomever will keep the TLC$ gravy train going. I refused to watch me me me Jessa & totally like like like Jill show. Move on TLC find a new bunch of nuts please!

Also A Nurse said...

Re: The comments about the Dionne sisters. When I was working for the visiting nurses, a few yrs. ago one of my patients was a first cousin to the Dionne's. The things she told me about those girls lives were just terrible. She had no agenda, so I believe all that she told me. I believe putting any child out in public is beyond is going to have a terrible effect on them in their later yrs. Why don't Michelle & Jim Bob concentrate on raising their own biological children & helping with these grandchildren that they say they "adore." They don't adore those kids, they are using them for profit & no reputable adoption agency would give them a baby. Michelle says she want's an infant. Having said that, at one time I did see a baby sold in a parking lot across the street from the hospital where I was working. The families knew it had to take place off of hospital property. I was sick sick for days after seeing a baby handed over for money & there was nothing we could do about it as it took place in the people's own cars.

HardyHar said...

My wife and I looked into adoption a couple of years ago, and it was going to take months if not years for everything to fall into place. And, the standard rule with adoption we heard was that the adopting parents couldn't be more than 40 years older than the child, which would give the Duggars a pre-teen. And, we were told that the standard is that the adopted child had to have his/her own room. AND, there would be interviews and background checks... do you think the Duggars would pass the background check with old Joshy in the immediate family? Unless there is a certain child out there that has been offered to the Duggars by some friend of a friend of a Gothardite.

Rob said...

In regards to Annie's comment " what if there are attachment issues with the child? Even with newborns, attachment issues can occur" and other matters concerning adoption. There is a issue known as the Primal Wound Syndrome first documented and published about by Nancy Newton Verrier in which an infant removed from the birthmother experiences an emotional trauma from that separation which is then part of that person's psychological make up for the rest of his/her life. No amount of blanket training will erase that and from what I've seen about JB and M's close mindedness to psychological issues is not something they would believe is possible.

I am an adoptee with nearly 30 years experience as a volunteer supporter of adoptees seeking to reunite with their birhfamily. Sadly the desire to stereotype women who give up their children for adoption as being less than honorable persons still exists. My fear is that JB and M will get all high and mighty about how adopting provided them the opportunity to correct the wrong of a girl who got pregnant out of marriage. Back alley/cash under the table adoptions still exist. As others have mentioned here the dynamics of the Duggar household EXCLUDE them from adoption using certified regulated sources. They really would be adding more controversy to their already tarnished image doing an adoption at this time.

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