Free Discussion, February, 2016


Please use this for Duggar and Bates sightings, speculation, or general discussion. Note that this is Duggar discussion not other families, TV shows, politics, religion, or personal stories. If the comment is more about you or some other issue than the actual Duggars or Bateses or other families seen on the show, please rethink before sending. Thank you!

Please do not quote entire articles or large sections of articles.  Link to them, please, to keep us on the right side of fair use.

217 comments:

1 – 200 of 217   Newer›   Newest»
Meme said...

Well, let's get er started, shall we? Please someone explain what happened with the lawsuit. Was it dropped? Was she paid off? Like someone else said, I am unclear about what was truthful and what was not, etc. I wonder who feels like the winner. And if this young woman receives a bundle of money, I wonder if other women will be motivated to come forward? I am referring, of course, to all the other rats you don't see, according to Dr. Phil. I may be making too much of this.

bigmommakat said...

Meme, trust me, you are not making too much of this crazy circus. These people put themselves front and center for the world to see. They have grandiose delusions that they can teach the rest of us unholy heathens the proper way to live and (God forbid)raise perfect children. The gall of these people is unstoppable and it flows freely throughout the entire clan. Remember when the four daughters wrote a relationship book to help others? I have no idea how these uneducated, sheltered gals thought they could give advice to anyone. None of them had ever had a relationship with a male, including the two who are now married. They married strangers hand picked by freaky daddy.
I believe Josh has always wanted a different lifestyle, but he was too afraid to go against the grain. had he been free to live a more normal life chances are he would never have married so young and started a family. You can lock him away at all the religious rehabs you want; still, it will not change who he really is inside.
there are no excuses for Josh's sick behaviors. One wonders if the repressed, always under surveillance, dictatorial household played a major part in his actions. I will not believe that of all those males, teens and young adults, who reside in that compound none of them have some real sick things going on in their minds. I betcha Joshie is not the only sick pup in that litter. Talk about those other rats... After some time goes by when Josh returns he will most likely start that double life again. He will keep Anna happy and busy by impregnating her often. Also, am I the crazy one, or when the scandal broke didn't Josh admit to having sexual relations with other women? If so, was the lawsuit stripper one of them? Since the lawsuit is "dropped" or possibly "privately settled" the Duggars think they have won. Maybe they have at least financially.

mickey said...

I am surprised that it dropped so fast, but I don't believe that she lied at all. She settled, good for her.

GFBaker said...

I was reading this morning on the internet and on a page there landed news of the Duggars saying they are going to adopt this year and the race did not matter. When I went further,it claimed that Michelle had a miscarriage in 2015. Does anyone have any information if this is true?

Syndee said...

I totally believe the repressive controlling culture had a lot to do with Josh. If they would have allowed him to mingle with others and go to a regular school, there may have been a good chance he could have been more normal and maybe avoided the actions he did. 7th and 8th grade discussions with male friends may have given him more alternatives than going up to a sleeping sister and groping her. He could have found one of the "loose" girls in high school and satisfied his curiosity with her. Maybe he'd still be a womanizer and a jerk, but at least the girls he'd have chosen wouldn't have been trapped prisoners as well, they could have slapped him, told a teacher, etc. He could have seen consequences from peer pressure and hopefully molded his behavior for the better.

There's no way he would have gotten married like he did if he had his own freedom. He should break free, deal with his past with a therapist, face Anna's brother and send her and the kids there and ask him to help take care of her, get a job and give child support to her. She'd be better off, he'd be better off, only the Duggar clan would be pissed.

Stephanie said...

I get what you mean about certain types of girls at public private or Christian schools. My sister jokingly called those girls "practice girls" but Josh didn't even have to go to such extremes as a preteen/teen. He never got a glimpse of a girls bra strap showing (accidentally) a cute girl in volleyball uniform or cheer uniform. As the mother of two boys I was told the volleyball uniform is the new hot thing on a girl.
He never saw a glimpse of cleavage at school, he never saw a girl in a swimsuit at church camp (most church camps require one piece suits) again no legs, back, cleavage that normal men and boys see while they are growing up. He never even saw an attractive actress or singer growing up. Beyoncé was just on the Super Bowl last night and she became famous at 16 and she's around thirty now? My kids have grown up watching her, and Jennifer Lopez and Jessica Simpson now Jennifer Lawrence. My daughter who is now in high school grew up with the silly Twilight movies and always crushed on Jacob (Taylor Lautner) who always had his shirt off in the movie and it was an in going joke because he was so handsome. It's part of growing up to crush on people and I would rather my kids crush on an unattainable celebrity than some loser that could actually be inappropriate in real life.
I'm just saying all that normal talk about who is attractive to someone is squashed at that house unless it's Jimbob saying Michelle is beautiful.
Yes you want someone beautiful on the inside blah blah blah but you MUST be physically attracted to the one you marry.
A boy shouldn't feel guilty for accidentally smelling a girls freshly shampooed hair, or liking the way she walks or talks.
Watching the Bates yesterday I was thinking about the wedding day and them going from 0 to 100 within about ten hours. That's not fun nor necessarily natural. Most of us have had an awkward first kiss with more than one boy. Many of us have had boys awkwardly try to make "moves" and fumbling around where they had no business but that is a part of growing up. I know many many stories of that happening at places like church camp and retreats etc. nothing too sinister but it is a part of growing up and that is taken away from from Gothard kids and they result is Josh, or that strange David Waller and certainly plenty of decent young men.
I get the feeling the Bates boys know who Beyoncé is. They weren't too shy about talking to the figure skaters yesterday and I thought "good for them. The Duggar boys would never have approached those girls"

Stephanie said...

Can we please talk about the new Amy People Magazine article ?
OMGoodness.
I was shocked that Amy said she and her husbands were not virgins when they met? TMI TMI
What a minute.
We also know the exact dates that Josh, Jill, Jessa, and Anna did have sex for the first time. TMI TMI
What's the difference seriously? Do we really need to know so much about someone's sex life?
Remember Brittney Spears famously announced she was a virgin and from then on the tabloids famously had the Virgin watch? Even she said she wish she had never said something so publicly. And Jessica Simpson famously waited until her wedding day and that became a tabloid news story. THIS isn't news is it?

Now that is off my chest, I kinda thought Amy was the type to wait until she was engaged or really in love or close to being married before going "all the way" so her announcement did surprise me on that level. She said she was glad she dated and kissed different boys.
It kinda bothered me that she is giving marital advice after five months LOL

But the thing I heard from third unconfirmed source was that she revealed when her unwed mom told of her pregnancy JImbob (in his holier than thou way) offered to adopt his sisters baby. Is that a true story? If so what a slap in the face to Deanna and grandma and grandpa Duggar and Amy's father (again) as if they were in capable of raising a baby. We have been waiting for the wrong person to write a tell all book about Jimbob and his parents etc Amy's dad must have over 25 years worth of stories he's the one who knows all the dirt and has nothing to lose.
I have said in the past that Deanna needed to get her mother out of Jimbobs home and Deanna needed to shut Jimbobs big mouth about THEIR father.
Amy could write a book and use her parents as the sources. If you want to be famous and make some money Amy, that's what you need to do.

Denisean said...

Oh, Lawd, please don't encourage Amy to write anything- she is dumb as a box of rocks.

Syndee said...

Well dumb or not, her stories would sure have a lot of interesting gossip :)

mickey said...

Amy, as in "I am NOT a DUGGAR", but give me cash for being in their family?

Tacky, and lacks class. She is beyond dumb as a rock. And the audacity of a young bride talking about how awesome her marriage is, and how her husband will never stray...okay. Two months in...talk to me when you are 20 years in...

Andrea said...

Ugh . . Why on why do I look at Jessa and Jill's instagram? Any else see Jill's photo of Derrick doing her toe nails? Barf. So gross. I guess it's implied that she is pregnant because the last time Derrick had to perform such a duty was when she was pregnant. That's what several of the comments were suggestions. Please no. Jill and Derrick can't be that dumb not with zika virus.

Anyone else see Jim Bob and Michelle's endorsement of UNCOMMEN.org? I refuse to watch the promo videos. I think it's more than ironic the Duggar's are partnering with an organization promotion men being better fathers and husbands . . . LOL I think their message really needs to be directed first and foremost to Joshie.

Denisean: Agreed Amy is as thick as a post. Even with a ghost writer, I think her tell all would be incomprehensible! Didn't buy or read People with Amy on the cover, but Stephanie thanks for the low down. Don't think I missed much by not buying the issue.

Meme said...

Stephanie: AMEN, sister! How the heck did Deanna and J Bob come from the same parents? Maybe Grandma would consider moving in with Deanna if Amy's dad stayed away for good? That lady needs a life away from J Bob's laundry room. Sometimes she gazes at her son in a way similar to the way that Michelle does - that hero worship type of gaze. Of course the squirrel acts completely unaware of his mama's adoration, he's so wrapped up in himself.

Like many of us, I was appalled at Grandpa Duggar's treatment during his last days. Who would permit their barely there father to be filmed in his last days? At least he appeared to be somewhat masculine in the photos shown during his funeral, which is more than we can say for junior. If I was Deanna, I would put my foot in a certain spot on my brother's mom jeans.

Stephanie said...

I know Deniaen but can you imagine the stuff she herself has seen? Things her female cousins that are her age may have confessed. And I don't think it would have to be scandalous but maybe she could confirm in writing how much the Duggars disapprove of college.
If Jimbob really tried to adopt Amy before birth how many other times has their family tries to save Amy? Amy who is a Christian most like the rest if America.
No Amy is not smart, and she would need a ghost writer but can you fathom the loads of story her and her parents know?
Even in the interview her husband said he wasn't warned about dress code or what is allowed to be said etc and Amy laughed and said she was going to let him sink hisself.

I want to know what is NOT to be SAID in front of the duggars. Tidbits like that would be very interesting

Syndee said...

Hey, she was smart enough to not get sucked into the Gothard bit, and that's probably no small task. You have to give her credit for that. Calling yourself rebel when all you do is wear a bikini may seem mild, but it's probably a huge accomplishment in that environment. Especially if Grandma is also on JB's side.

Also, let her get another 15 min of fame if she can. She had to put up with those wack jobs all her life, - think of it, every holiday, every surprise shower, probably they were her childhood friends too - let her get something out of it.

Stephanie said...

How about the interview Ben seewald had with Christian Hip Hop artist FLAME. That while sentence is funny, 1. Ben doing any type of interview 2. Christian Hip Hop artist 3. Christian hip hop artist named FLAME 4. FLAME is in all caps

Ben couldn't get a word in which is fine he's stupid. Ben wore his baseball hat cocked to the side like a real hip hop artist. And FLaME made zero sense at all just rambled and I couldn't even watch the entire thing. I didn't think the Duggars knew what hip hop music is? It certainly is for moving around, tow tapping, two stepping, twerking etc

If any one else can make heads or tails of that mess please explain it to me.

Saw the uncommon pitch as well. It didn't make much sense either. Maybe the rapper/actor Common can explain.

Ha I crack myself up

Christine said...

On Josh and the lawsuit:

Dillon claims he assaulted her. Josh claims he's never met the woman.

Reportedly, Dillon wanted to drop the lawsuit with the option of refiling it at a later date and Josh wanted her to drop it with no option of refiling and publicly retract her accusations (see http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2016/02/josh-duggar-refusing-to-let-danica-dillon-drop-her-lawsuit/)

Apparently Dillon just dropped the lawsuit and promised not to refile. It sounds like she was caught lying about some of what happened and dropped the suit to avoid a countersuit or criminal charges but hasn't retracted the accusation. One of the blogs I follow opined that Josh must have at least slept with the woman, because if he'd never met her (as he claimed), he wouldn't have let the matter drop and would have pushed harder for a retraction. http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2016/02/josh-duggar-danica-dillon-drops-lawsuit-case-dismissed/

I have a very low opinion of Josh Duggar, but I've been pretty skeptical of Dillon's claims. So many things -- the timing of the accusations, the details and the way she described him, the fact that she was suing -- just felt off.

I think Josh was lying about never having met her. If he'd never met her and had a good alibi, he should have been able to get the lawsuit thrown out much sooner. Even if he didn't have a good alibi, I think he would have wanted to humiliate her in court for lying about him. I think he met her and slept with her, but maybe he only slept with her once instead of twice, didn't assault her, and paid her for the encounter. So I think he did something that he wanted to keep under wraps, but she lied about at least some of it. That would explain why he pushed her towards a trial (which would out her as a liar unless she dropped the suit) but let her drop the case and didn't force her to retract everything publicly.

Or maybe Josh never met the woman and the Duggars wanted the lawsuit dropped as soon as possible just to avoid the bad press right before the show is supposed to be returning. Who knows? Only Josh and Danica know what actually happened and I don't trust either of them.

On UNCOMMEN:

I agree that parenting is very important and that many parents don't devote enough attention to their kids. Kids are a ton of work, so for goodness' sake, don't have kids unless you really want them and are prepared for them! You don't have a duty to have children, but if you choose to raise children, you have a duty to them.

However, whenever the Duggars argue against gay marriage by saying that a kid needs both a mother and a father -- or when the Duggars talk about the importance of good parents -- I think "you first!" It's silly and hypocritical of the Duggars to say that children need both a mother and a father when so many of their own children were raised by the eldest sisters.

Gini said...

Re:Meme's comments. I totally agree with your remarks about Grandma Duggar gazing up at Jim Bob, as if worshiping a hero, just as Michelle does. Also it was horrific the way they showed Grandpa Duggar in his last days & last hours. I can't figure out what the deal is with Grandma Duggar remaining with Jim Bob's family. Certainly she must have Social Security & perhaps even a small pension, that would allow her to move into Senior Citizen Housing or a small apartment. She owns land in the area, as we saw Jim Bob pointing out Grandma's land one time when he took the kids on a hike. Also she owned the house that Josh & Anna first moved into, & now Jessa & Ben are living in that house. However it now appears that Jim Bob owns that house, because he & some of the kids did renovations on the house as a gift to Jessa & Ben when they returned from their honeymoon. There must be some type of social services available to her "if" & that's a big "if," she really wanted help to get out of Jim Bob's house. I must have missed something, as I know that Deanna & her husband are divorcing, but I have no idea why. People are mentioning that maybe now that he's gone, she would move in with Deanna, but I don't know what issues she may have had with him. It's a very strange situation that Grandma D. who was once an independent woman, is now beholden to her son. I can't figure it out.

s said...

Stephanie--Uncommon is an app of some sort that is supposed to remind men to be good dads. How stupid, how childish. If you are so selfish and clueless that you need an app to tell you when to have emotion and empathy towards your own children then you are a loser.

Murphy said...

In hindsight, I believe the Duggar kids are ignorant & it's not their fault. I believe Jim Bob & Michelle purposefully chose to hijack or submarine the education of their kids. I also believe Arkansas CPS is aware of the Duggars & within five minutes of watching their old show determined the kids lack of education. I wish someone in Arkansas would capture the Duggar kids remove them from JB & M, take them to a safe place & begin Deprogramming them. Once the process was completed, I believe the Duggar kids eyes would be opened to a new world of vast opportunity & they would desire to become educated. It would be as if a window were opened & a flood of fresh air & sunshine was finally theirs. I am probably pipe dreaming however, the NCAAP'S motto "A mind is a terrible thing to waste" is applicable to the Duggar kids. It's also abuse inflicted by JB & M.

Former First Lady Jackie Kennedy said it best.. "If you bungle raising your children then I don't believe anything else you do in life matters much". Very wise words.

Chloe said...

Mickey, Add to your post, Amy Cannot Sing. I believe her dream to make it in Nashville was a trip to fantasyland in her little mind. Amy is as are her Duggar relatives, delusional.

Willow said...

Does anyone remember the old "organization" (?) called The Promise Keepers? Wasn't that about being better men/fathers back in the day? They had conventions and seminars etc. all over the country. Men went on camping trips together, trying to bond over "being Godly fathers" or some such nonsense. Anyway, this "Uncommen" thing sounds very similar. I think its just a resurrection of sorts. I know uber conservative Christians were behind the Promise Keepers, but don't know if it was a Gothard thing or not. I am going to read up on the Uncommen org. I could be totally off base about this but doubt it.

Michelle said...

Christine, I was thinking the same thing. I believe Josh did pay her for sex, but maybe he wasn't rough like she claims. I think they did their business and that was it. That would also explain why she went back a second time.

Stephanie said...

I remember promos keepers being in main stream baptist churches here in the south I have no idea if it still goes on. It had a big following twenty years ago

Virginia said...

Regarding what Willow said about Promise Keepers. My husband attended some of their conventions and had mixed feelings about what they were teaching. Others from our church bought it hook, line and sinker. I was talking wit one of these men and he was telling me that they were going to have a women's version of Promise Keepers and it was going to be based off some scripture and was going to be called Suitable Helpers. That's when I blew a gasket. That speaks volumes for the organization. For the life of me I can't remember the name of the man who got that movement going.

Annie said...

I checked out Uncommen.org and it really isn't a website. I mean it's there, but it doesn't have any info or links or anything like that. From what I could see, it was just a big reminder that men who have fathered children need to be taking responsibility for them and that they need to be Godly men. I am getting quite tired of the word "Godly", BTW. Anyway, there is a daily blog with some inspirational thoughts, of course a call for $$$$ and other things. There is a long list of staff that make up the brains behind the "machine", one of which is a woman. Oh, and then there is the Hall of Fame to nominate YOUR man. My husband would kill me if I put him on that site. Whoever needs reminding that he is a father can also download the app from the website onto a mobile device.

Willow-I remember the Promise Keepers as well. It was huge about 20 years ago and then just sort of died out. This site made me think of them.

I am surprised that the Duggars aren't front and center on the website if they are supposed to be supporting it.

I think, and this is my personal opinion, that they started out totally simple. You know, just a regular family (well as regular as ol'JB could be) but just a family trying to have very conservative values. We all know people like that. I do. But with attention from the show, they began to expand their values from their home to imposing them onto the world and it's so sad. As has been said many times, fame is a two edged sword. In their case, so are their values. All they can/should do is teach their children righteous principles and let them govern themselves. But, I also think that JB has always been a bit icky for my taste.

Rob said...

Regarding Murphy's statement " the NCAAP'S motto "A mind is a terrible thing to waste" actually there are two errors here. #1 the organization cited is the NAACP or National Alliance for the Advancement of Colored People. #2 the motto "A mind is a terrible thing to waste" is the slogan for the United Negro College Fund now called simply The College Fund. But the context is correct the Duggars are wasting the full potential of their kid's minds. I know I cringed hearing JB proclaim in one episode that they keep their kids home until marriage because that way they can provide "certain protections". Isolation, censorship, intentional misinformation are NOT protections.

Murphy said...

Rob, Appreciate the correction. Lesson learned. Thank you.

s said...

This Uncommen thing the Duggars are promoting--"Uncommen" isn't even a word. Were they trying to spell U-N-C-O-M-M-O_N????????

Chloe said...

Just realized that Anna's Dad Mr. Keller, bears a strong resemblebce to Uncle Fester from the original Addams Family.

Hailey Wall said...

This Uncommen thing the Duggars are promoting--"Uncommen" isn't even a word. Were they trying to spell U-N-C-O-M-M-O_N????????
----
I believe it's supposed to be a play on words. A lot of companies do that in their marketing and naming.

Living in Indy said...

Hey I am not surprised the Duggars can't Spell Uncommon. It's that good ole ATI Gothard method of homeschooling that obviously is a complete & utter Failure.

KimmieH said...

Is the Queen of "Like" Jill Dillard expecting?

Rudy Tecat said...

Funny... one of the first things they point out on the uncommen website is how much men watch porn! Sound familiar?

stephanie said...

Ok was the organization trying to incorporate the word "Men" in Uncommen? They new graphics then. Simply UncomMEN or something more clever because I certainly didn't get it until someone else posted it above.

I don't think most men watch porn espn dominates my house with husband to two college age boys. No joke during college football season I have witnessed them in the den from 12 noon to 12 midnight lie around the den, napping, eating and only leaving the room for bathroom breaks. Three grown men. Granted that was one particularly long day but most ment veg out on sports. My husband and son watch sports center every morning instead of the Today show for regular news. They are NOT bad men or bad Christians. Actually I give them a break because they are good Christian Men. Nothing wrong with vegging out on. A Saturday when they work/school all week.

Anyway, is porn really that obsessive in a mans world? I've never come across it am I the exception?

Meme said...

S'cuse me for being a little behind here, friends, but I just saw the People magazine cover and layout of Amy Duggar. GOOD LORD! She got more coverage than Hillary, Kate Hudson or Leonardo Di Caprio! See Amy in her shorts. Here she is on the bike with her hubs. Look at cute little Amy as a toddler. I don't get the timetable - she's been married for awhile now and I don't believe she's pregnant or due for a Nobel Peace prize, so what gives? Why the cover story?

I have therefore concluded that TLC and PEOPLE are in cahoots and are DETERMINED to get this boring bunch back on the tube. Just can't figure out why. Why THIS family? Why now? Why is Amy suddenly so popular? Have you ever seen anything like it?! I dunno how much longer they can beat this dead horse but someone seems determined to find out.

I'd be interested in knowing how much the Duggars were being paid, as compared to, say, the Gosselins. Maybe TLC was making bigger bucks than I realized. More importantly, maybe more than the Duggars realized. Hmmm...

Syndee said...

Annie said:
"I think, and this is my personal opinion, that they started out totally simple. You know, just a regular family (well as regular as ol'JB could be) but just a family trying to have very conservative values. We all know people like that. I do. But with attention from the show, they began to expand their values from their home to imposing them onto the world and it's so sad."

This is how I saw it. They were a regular family, using birth control and everything, not wanting kids right away. Then somehow Gothard came in to the picture, they fell hook line and sinker, then started right away with kids one on top of the other. Remember how M. said that once she had a little breakdown in the laundry room when there were the first 5 little ones and seeked out God, so I don't think she would have had so many without already being in Gothard. Then it wasn't till at least 10 or so that they got media attention. So the cult was driving them all that time before the show. Then of course they got spoiled by the money. But still I think Gothard is somehow behind it all, directing JB to do anything possible to stay on the show, and may have hooks into TLC or People. Like how Warren Jeffs operates from behing bars. Still everyone does everything he says.

Rudy Tecat said...

Isn't it funny that Lawson Bates can write his own song, drive himself to Nashville to record it, and have it go into the top 100 Country Hits within a few days of release (thanks in part to his little girl followers). Meanwhile, Amy has her spinoff miniseries about going to Nashville to record with this top-of-the-line producer, makes a professional video, and her career hasn't gone anywhere, but she has her picture on the cover of People Magazine.

Stephanie said...

Yes I saw that Leo cute picture was in Amy's cover corner and was shocked. He is up for a best actor oscar (and is probably going to win) has recently won every other award for this movie The Revenant and Amy Duggar is on the cover? It boggles the brain.

The Duggars don't even know who Leonardo Dicaprio is and once they are told their egos will explode even more than normal. They aren't used to upstaging a mainstream superstar. But then it was their cousin Amy admitting she had sex before marriage and it wasn't her husband I doubt if they are even allowed to read the article. Or maybe they realize that's what it takes to upstage a legit Movie star like Leo. Except for us fans and bloggers, no one while give two cents about Amy and I would be curious if the magizine has good sales.

They usually put the biggest money maker on the cover. Remember they used to say Princess Diana's cover photos sold more magazine a than other weeks etc? How has jill and jessa cover sold? Must no be too badly or they wouldn't keep going to the source.

Stephanie said...

In regards to my own comments about Amy Duggar out shining Leo on the cover of People and magazine sales can be directly relates to cover photos etc.
All I could find was the best Selling People cover was Miranda Lambert Blake What's his name divorce gossip (I don't follow country music but my 74 year old mother is obsessed with this story) and the WORST selling People of last year was a cover photo of none other than Pope Francis and in the corner was an ad for Amy Duggar wedding/honeymoon ironically enough.

Duggars had three full covers very close together and Kate Middleton Prince William Prince George and Princess Charlotte (either together solo etc) had by far countless cover stories. I guess grandma has granted them Cover appeal.

Also ironically enough, the Best people cover with Miranda and Blake had Jimbob and Michelle in the corner saying they had lost 100 pounds since their disaster of Josh.

Weird isn't it?

stephanie said...

After more if my magazine research (ok my googling) I found an article about In Touch breaking the Duggar story and it was very interesting.

They said most mainstream media was afraid to go after the evangelical demographic of the Duggars. It said most reporters heard and read web gossip of Josh and abuse, Josh and rehab, and the rejection of Oprah Winfreys producers but no one really wanted to go after them.

in Touch happened to have a reporter who was like a dog with a bone. After the two woman kissed in front if the Duggar compound went viral, this reporter contacted them and they had relatives in Springdale. Two reporters go to Springdale, hire lawyers to legally obtain any documents for print. And then they say it was old fashioned knocking in doors and tip led to other tips and mostly they are ready to pay sources but it didn't mention if they paid any there or not. I kinda thought they paid a few sources.

It gave examples of Kim Kardasion giving tips on Paris Hilton right before her sex tape was accidentally on purpose leaked and their TV show was getting ready to air. They were the sources and now they are the stories.

Amy or her husband or boyfriends could make some money giving up stories. Makes me wonder who "tipped" the Jana Tim Tebow story. I will always think Jimbob made that one up because I don't think Amy is that clever.
But after meeting the gay kissing couple, I wonder who their sources were that eventually led them to the police department. It's very interesting. Also said Megan Kelly interview had over three million viewers which is one million more than their best ratings.

It also said Publicist leak confirm or deny stories which is how they know ahead if time a story is going to be printed. Jimbob and Michelle have a PR team and their biggest mistake was the. Megan Kelly interview. I have a feeling that Jimbob is too arrogant to take their advice when it came to Megan Kelly. That interview alone did their show in IMO

Denisean said...

First of all, I have to say this...No way is Amy Jordan/Duggar/whatever her name is upstaging *Leonardo DiCaprio* in any way, shape, or form- just because she is on the cover of this trashy magazine, and he is in the corner, I am sure Leo is not losing any sleep over this. ha ha.

Secondly, Lawson Bates can sing and Amy SOOO cannot- and that is what sells in country music, no matter what your last name and how many people you know. No one wants to listen to someone sing badly no matter how famous they are.

Sharla said...

Uncommen denies ties to Duggars: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21JyjMfc0RY

Christine said...

There's a link between religiosity or social conservatism and increased porn usage (http://www.pcworld.com/article/160566/utah_online_porn.html). That's why Utah, despite (or because of) the very devout Mormon population has the highest porn consumption in the country. The Duggars spend a lot of time talking about porn and make it sound like every man they know is always watching porn. It sounds ridiculous to us, but their community might actually spend more time watching porn than ours do.

s said...

Uncommen does not agree with the way the Josh Scandals have been handled. Hope the duggar-huggers can see that not everyone that disagrees with them is a "hater".

Syndee said...

First he denies all ties with the duggars. Then...

"We stand against men that are... abusive, or even absent emotionally and physically."

Almost sounds like a slam to Josh.

Carole said...

Anybody know what Amy's husband does for a living? I hope he has brains enough to take the people cover story money and buy a house not keep investing in Amy's nonexistent singing career.

Cedric said...

Amy King is impressed with herself & she's definitely delusional. I would rather watch paint dry then listen to Amy "pretend" to sing. Not going there.

Just Plain Offended said...

The Duggars are not religious. They are just plain weird. REALLY weird. Someone's post here prompted me to go to youtube and watch a segment where Michelle was showing the "Prayer Closet." I think she said that it was a private place where individual family members could be alone to "talk to the Lord." I understand that it's one thing to have sanctuary in one's yeard, to kneel and pray, say grace, go to church, etc., It's quite another thing to NEVER let your children be alone EXCEPT to be in a little windowless closet to "talk to the Lord" as if he's a person with a body sitting in an easy chair next to you, having a conversation with you. But at no time to ever to be alone in the house call a friend, Skype with your boyfriend or finance, to cry in anger or sadness, to have a tantrum and calm down, or to explore your body, nope. You just get to be alone in a little room to "talk to the Lord." ONLY to talk to the Lord, Michelle added. This is just plain delusional and weird. It's not reality. And it's dangerous.

What do you wannna bet Jill went in the Lord Talking Room alone on occasion and practiced kissing while looking in a mirror to practice for her big TV wedding moment? Or Jessa sneaked a call to Ben? Or Josh or Jim Bob looked at some porn in there? Or one of the little kids sneaked in some forbidden food? Or another kid pretended to be "talking to the Lord" when he or she was supposed to be doing a jurisdiction? Or doing ANYTHING that's normal for a kid?

I don't know why I ever watched this show and I don't know why anyone would want to watch it anymore after all the revelations of the past year. Nothing on it can be trusted to be REAL. It's a bunch of fake smiles, fake emotions, straight into the camera.That we know for sure. I've reached the point where I can't stand to look at any more of their fakeness, especially the four oldest girls. Who knows what Jim Bob and Michelle held over their heads to make them live this way. Who knows what they've said to Anna to encourage her to live like a little child in a girl's dormitory when she's a nearly thirty-year old married mother of four and should be out on her own either divorcing or working on her marriage and in charge of her kids herself?

The Duggars have to be one of the laziest families in America. No way will Jill and Derick stay in a country where sex could lead to a baby with birth defects because quite frankly, they're too lazy to want to want to take care of it. God will no doubt be telling them to leave El Salvador soon, if he hasn't already. Just as well, because El Salvador doesn't need them "preaching" to the people to forego all forms of birth control. The Lord undoubtedly advised them to "missionary" where unlimited sex will bring them a cute baby. Jim Bob and Michelle surely weighed in on this one, too.

Just Plain Offended said...

And, what do you wanna bet Jim Bob has sneakily pulled Michelle into the Prayer Closet for some spontaneous hanky panky, or "heh, heh, heh," as he calls it, and told her they were doing what God told them to do about being fruitful? And that joyfully available Michelle gazed into his eyes with adoration and complied, instead of slapping him and telling him to grow up?

And I'll also bet a dollar against a doughnut that there's a hidden camera in the "Talkin' to the Lord Only Room."

Rosemary said...

I bet there are hidden cameras all over the place, including the adult kids' homes. Jim Bob just seems that pervie tome.

Helen Crump said...

Oh, My Gosh....has anyone seen the pictures of JB and Michelle in CA visiting Jill and Derick? Michelle looks like she gained 30 pounds in these last few months..eating from stress, no doubt. As for the Dillards, "Derick, please shave, get a haircut and take a bath.While you're at it, put on some much needed weight. Those two just seem like they aren't clean. Glad Izzy has decent shoes and socks on. Is Jill going to carry that kid like he's an infant much longer? He is way too large and heavy to be taxing her back like that. Having a child that age just doesn't seem right to have him there. They need to quit playing and start behaving like adults with a family to care for. What kind of medical insurance to the Dillards have now? It also was pretty shifty of the Dillards to have WalMart pay for medical bills for Jill's delivery AND immediately for Derick's involved facile surgery and just "up and quit: his job sticking WalMart with the bills for it. I'm sure he wasn't looked upon fondly by his co-workers for all the time off he took and they had to cover for him. An office is an office; when personnel are out, others invariably have to cover for you when it's recurring, like his absenses were.

SB said...

Helen,

As long as Derrik was an employee and paying his premiums, he had earned his coverage, weather you like that he was covered or not. He could also have gotten COBRA, which is very expensive, but still his right to use it. As far as him gaining weight, his surgery was extensive, and his full recovery will take up to a year. I went through a similar surgery and I hated people telling me to eat. I tried. There are just so many soft foods. Eating with a mouth full of hardware is difficult and there is NO enjoyment.

Michelle is too fat and Derrik is too thin.

I just hate to read these kinds of comments.

SB

Just Me said...

Re: Helen Crump's comment. Jim Bob & Michelle are claiming that combined the have lost 100lbs during this difficult season they are walking through. Guess they should try & run through it.

Just Wondering said...

Do Michelle & Jim Bob have all the little kids with them or are they on another "Honeymoon?" How can a mom & dad with all those kids at home pick up & go to CA to visit one daughter & her family. It's not like they went to visit the Bates & took everyone with them. I only had 2 kids & wasn't able to just take a trip when ever I wanted to. We know Josie still has some residual medical issues. Guess Jana has handled that before, so she will again if anything happens

Just Plain Offended said...

I have to agree with Helen Crump that Derick's appearance is absolutely awful, although I agree with SB that whether a person is overweight or underweight involves a lot of factors and is not anything I would ever care to discuss. But Derick went to El Salvador as a leader, guide and role model. His seriously bushy unkempt hair and beard and t-shirt make him look far more impoverished and ill educated than the residents he is supposedly there to guide who are dressed neatly with hair combed off of their faces. How one presents to others when on a "stage" whether it be a real stage, like Ben and Jessa whn Ben wore a t-shirt and old jeans, or at work or just having dinner with friends, tells a lot about a person. As simple a thing as combing one's hair or trimming a beard shows respect to others that you care enough about them to look presentable for them.

As far as the health insurance, Walmart could well afford to cover the losses they incurred when Derick quit after about a year of employment. But once again, taking on a white collar job within a company's financial department, and quitting almost immediately makes a profound statement about Derick and his lack of responsibility and sense of commitment. Jill and Derick are pretty much a matched set.

I suspect that JB and M's visit to see Jill and Derick was to plot a seemingly Christian way to get Jill and Derick out of El Salvador so they can continue to do the Lord's willing by procreating up to 20 kids and counting. I guess science and common sense trumps religion when it interferes with sex and an easy life. Heaven forbid a Duggar actually read a news article.

Anna is not responsible for Josh's sins said...

If Derick didn't get COBRA ins.,he would have a cutoff date,from the time he quit,and he would have to incur medical expenses before that date,in order to be covered,Yes,it's his right;he paid for that

Syndee said...

Maybe they're making Anna pay her keep by watching the other kids while JB and M are gone.

Seems like Derick is going for that "prophet" look.

mickey said...

Jill does look pregnant again, that is what keeps this family relevant, sex. They always need to have the focus on breeding, sex, virginity, and childbirth. I have no doubt Anna is pregnant again. And Jessa better keep up. No doubt JB will have some courtships to "supervise", watch for more mini golf dry humping. There must be constant breeding, or thinking about breeding, or talking about breeding. It is like a rabbit warren.

Wondering said...

Has anyone ever seen any pictures of Jim Bob speaking, anywhere or anytime, with Michelle at his side, when she isn't gazing up, always up at him, in a hero worship or adoring manner. It's as if you can just look at her & see that she is thinking this is absolutely the most brilliant man God ever put on the face of the earth.

KatieP said...

The entire Duggar CULT is just nuts & definitely disgusting & creepy.

Stephanie said...

Michelle and Jimbob do look rough with Jill and Derick. They looked dirty so I guess the facilities are not as good as Duggar Mansion.
Michelle must not be on her exercise machine as much but it probably has more to do with her trying to get pregnant or stay pregnant or something. Her face has went back the way it was. She was looking so good exercising now she looks like, me, worn out and eating too much.

Isreal is a long/tall baby which I guess with his dad that makes sense. He's kinda funny looking but I'm not sure why. Maybe I have made fun of his parents too much.

Meme said...

So Uncommen, if that is how it is spelled, does not want to be associated with the Duggars. Finally! A voice of reason. And a lesson FOR the Duggars rather than one FROM them. See, they need to really get this: THEY ARE NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF GIVING ADVICE ANYMORE. None of them. We don't need advice, recommendations, endorsements, or counsel from any of them.

I've always felt that this was a diversion tactic anyway. As in don't look at what Josh did, look at "solutions" and then the problem sort of gets lost or seems not so bad.

I feel that this is my biggest problem with Jim Bob and Michelle. It's difficult to relate to people whose solution is to act as if everyone has a Josh and here is what we recommend that you do about it because WE have all the answers. Worse, they start quoting scripture and speaking for the Lord. I have a recommendation of my own. Go home and work on your own family. Plenty that needs fixing there. Stop using Christianity to suit your purpose of the moment. That is a very dangerous thing to do. Jesus doesn't need you speaking for him, either, that's why we have his book.

Go spend some time in that prayer closet.

Denisean said...

Re: The prayer closet... When I saw the video of Michelle giving that tour of the house, I thought to myself, if I were one of those children I would be going in the prayer closet for at least an hour a day to get some damn time to myself. I'm sure not all of those kids went in there to pray. Even if there was a camera to make sure they were sitting quietly and not doing anything inappropriate, I'm sure some of them sat there thinking about sex or tv or dancing, and there is no way to prove that they weren't "talking to the lord" the entire time.

coleen said...

Re: prayer closet

I always hoped Jana could go in there and get a nap!

coleen said...

On the Duggar family facebook, the recent pic of the three older sisters at home, did Jana dye her hair blonde? If yes, it looks good on her.

Syndee said...

This whole prayer closet thing is so goofy I can't stand it. If they are so "godly" you should be able to pray anywhere in that whole house and other people would respect it. And if they were just normal, then your room would be where you could be alone to pray (if you had a room). To have to stuff yourself in a closet is beyond ridiculous.

JeannieBean said...

If JB and M are still actively trying to conceive yet another 'blessing' just why on earth would they go to CA and take such a risk with the zika virus? I realize that their chances of another pregnancy are slim to none due to 'her season of life' but what is wrong with these people?

coleen said...

Anna Duggar is back on instagram

Jeanette said...

The concept of a private prayer area is scriptural, although the word "closet" appears to be used only in the King James Version, which is several hundred years old and uses many other archaic/obsolete words. I believe this must be the version they use. I much prefer the NIV, which is closer to the original Hebrew/Greek.

Just Me said...

Is anyone really surprised that Anna is back on social media? It seems to me that the entire Duggar family is going merrily along. After all ever family walks through things like this. Don't they?

Dawn Whipple said...

There are no words anymore for this grifting family. Michelle and Jim Bob pawning off their kids yet again while they are down in Central America visiting Jill. They chose to take on the added responsibility of home schooling, and advocate endlessly for it. Yet they have time for a vacation during the school year? Is there no end to the lack of responsibility they show? And they are so smug they don't even feel the need to justify. Why are the older children expected to raise, educate, and give up their lives for their siblings. Answer that please Michelle and Jim Bob. I think the funniest and most fitting way I have heard Michelle described was "lazy mattress mama". Unbelievable people.

Just Plain Offended said...

The problem I have with the "prayer closet" isn't so much that there is one, as much as the fact that it is the ONLY time and place that the Duggar kids are allowed to be alone. JimmyBob and Michele "encourage" their 20+ kids (Anna and her kids are apparently now their kids), to talk privately to an invisible entity, but never privately to an actual human being including a future spouse. No wonder Jill followed Derick to work and everywhere else, and Jessa can't let Ben go to work. The girls probably have serous panic attacks if they find themselves by themselves without their "authority" in sight or touching distance.

Religious or not, these parents have created a fantasy world based on THEIR interpretation of a book that describes a lifestyle that is hundreds of years old. I'm not criticizing Christianity. There are plenty of Christian doctors, educators, research scientists, etc. who don't make up stuff based on the Bible (such as the Lord will like me more with me if I always wear a long skirt) and still live Christian lives as healthy, normal people. The Duggars are delusional and damaging, and I resent their unspoken implication that their way of life is better than others', and I REALLY have a problem with their efforts to get people like themselves in government to force their ways on this country.

Syndee said...

Did she even say anything though? All I saw was, I got to meet so-and-so. Nothing of substance. So what was the point?

But it appears that that instagram post got 34,000 likes... ?? Testing the waters again?

Wendy Heusel said...

people magazine is saying that they are filming again.

Bates Family Fan said...

I know this is veering off topic, but I saw on one of the Bates family blogs that Erin is expecting again. So excited for them! Hope that since they've announced it, there is a viable heartbeat and she is able to go full term (or close to it). Being a mom is the greatest job ever.

Rob said...

In regards to Jeanette's comment (edited by me) "the King James Version, I believe this must be the version they use." You are correct and JB has said in an interview they consider it to be the one true version of the Bible and denounce all others as frauds and inaccurate translations and therefore NOT the true Word of God. Yet they'd do themselves a great favor if they researched the history of the King James version and how it was assembled by a committee of sorts who argued and used political means and influences to determine what texts would be included. I have always been intrigued by the number of scriptural references the Duggars use that are NOT taken from the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John which hold explicit quotes from Christ Himself. Instead they quote from the Old Testament or Epistles (mostly from Paul) which are really comments of the writer and as such meant for the persons to whom the letter was sent and not Christianity as a whole. Also when you take into consideration JB set up his own church in his living room and did not have an ordained Pastor leading that church we can also see that what matters to that family is HIS (JB's) interpretation of scripture and not an interpretation based on solid understanding of the text involved drawn from intense study of those texts. This is just more proof of the cultist mentality at work here.

s said...

New pic of Anna on her instagram account. What in the world is she wearing? It looks like a sack from the Depression Era. Quite possibly the ugliest dress I have ever seen. Is this her new modest wear because Joshie's indiscretions were partly Anna's own fault, according to Michelle?

roddma said...

As far as Lawson recording songs goes, their involvement in ATI and GIl's part in the lawsuit against ATi just negates anything positive. Has anyone heard the Bateses talk about homeschooling? you think they would show a session on this since it seems to be a big thing. Anyhow, this show needs to be off TV, too. The kids get paid nothing. If it weren't for the Bateses knowing the Duggars, would they have ever gotten this far?
Re:"Being mom is the greatest job ever"
I guess that depends on who you ask.These young women are raised to believe it is their sole purpose of existence.

Willow said...

Rob - Love your post. Yes, JB just wants to "preach" what HE wants the Bible to say. I believe there are several reasons for this, but we all know what they are. These "faux" preachers don't really want someone more educated "over" them. They want to be their own authority. Jim Bob, IMO, is not educated or smart enough to study the real Bible all the way through and understand it enough to teach others. JB, also IMO, is not really interested in his family following the Bible; he is more interested in his family following him. Thanks Rob and I really do agree with you - cultist mentality!!

s said...

Proof that Anna is living in a delusional world--she claims the female star of the move War Room is her hero. Really, Anna? It's a fictional story. It's pretend. It's not real. Find a real "hero" and go away.

Rudy Tecat said...

Re: "s said..." regarding Anna's sack dress. It is in the Bible about sackcloth and ashes!

CatMom said...

I saw the picture of Anna too and wondered what type of dress that was. I thought maybe she was wearing it to hide a bump? I hope not.

Elspeth said...

The Bates family showed and talked about home school during their show on TLC.

Chloe said...

Rob, BRAVO! You are absolutely correct & very well explained & written. Thank you.

Wendy said...

I definitely think Anna is pregnant, looking at her in that picture with Michelle. And what a hideous dress! I think she is showing earlier than before, as this is her 5th child. I truly believe it won't be long before we see her with Josh at her side....the happy couple. Believe me, the Duggars are back& back to stay, for a long time, I'm afraid. I think of all the young women who idolize the Duggar young women & are hoping to have the same lifestyle. They love the idea of courting, marrying young & producing baby after baby. Of course, they haven't stopped to think that they all won't have reality shows to pay their way, but that's ok, God will provide. It's almost beyond belief that the Duggars are carrying on life in the public eye as though they are still a family that everyone should revere. I don't feel the kids have anything to hang their heads about, but to think that Michelle & Jim Bob, as well as Josh could come out of this fire they are "walking though" totally unscathed is beyond belief, at least it's beyond my belief.

Mindi said...

RE: Jim Bob reading the Bible. Does anyone else remember Jim Bob reading the Bible to the kids when Michelle was away for the day & he had them all sitting at SOTDRT? He obviously didn't know how to entertain the kids, so they had "Bible Time." Jim Bob could not pronounce most of the words & verses he was reading to the kids, & he would stop & ask them what a certain passage meant. The kids had no idea, but neither did Jim Bob. I could not believe that for someone who always has the appropriate Bible verse on the tip of his tongue, i.e. "Be fruitful & multiply," he had absolutely no idea what he was reading & he couldn't even pronounce the words correctly. I remember he stumbled over one verse & asked the kids what it meant, & Jackson who was quite small at the time said, "I think it means be good to your brother." Jim Bob immediately said "yes Jackson that's exactly what it means."I guarantee that nobody knew what the verse he stumbled over meant. So much for his Christian School education. No offence to those who attended a Christian School.

Cindy said...

I am so happy for Erin and Chad! I wish her and the baby well!

The Bateses have shown homeschooling on their TLC show and UP show. Poor Jim Perv and Mechelle aspire to be what the Bateses are...it's just isn't happening. Gil and Kelly's family dynamics are so different and NORMAL. I see them as a very loving family.

Now for Anna's dress on Instagram, it's terrible. My first thought is that she is pregnant. I'm so disappointed in her. She had a chance to leave and PROTECT her daughters. She's a lost cause.

Rob said...

Mindi, in regards to your comments 1) "he would stop & ask them what a certain passage meant. The kids had no idea, but neither did Jim Bob" And 2)"he had absolutely no idea what he was reading & he couldn't even pronounce the words correctly" This is also true about the sit down Bible study he led the girls through to support why they were going to donate blood. The scripture quote he used said in part "for the life is in the blood." That verse has NOTHING to do with blood donation but animal sacrifice. But as we've come to know if the Bible says it and Jim Bob believes it fits his need, it has to be true. All the misquotes and misinterpretations of scripture this guy has professed over the years have been the source of much frustration I have with this man. It's very distressing because there is so much that is wonderful in the Bible. Just because he's the head of the family does not mean his interpretations of scripture are true or factual. It is often said in Proverbs that we need to be aware of the fool. Too bad Jim Bob does not see himself in those verses.

Meme said...

I agree with Wendy that the Duggars are back. I know that she is also correct about young women idolizing the courtship lifestyle. I think this is due to the lack of actual dating nowadays - no being asked out, no young man planning and paying for the date, everyone "hooking up." (Girls, you have no IDEA what you have missed!). Having said that, though, the Duggars' way of doing things is unrealistic and dangerous. Look at Josh. And let's face it, Jim Bob has had a lot of lucky breaks in his lifetime... political office, a free house and a long running television show, etc. HIS kids will be fine. But what about all those uneducated generations to come? We all know what will eventually happen. My home state (Arkansas) will be saddled with all those hungry little mouths to feed. Thanks to the fabricated religion of Jim Bob Duggar.

I will say it again. As much as I detest Josh, I really believe that he did not and does not want the financial burden of 19 kids. He may be the only Duggar child who is capable of seeing down that road. God help all those children who, thanks to their warped parents and a reality show, have no idea what reality is. Sorry for the rant, got a little carried away as usual.

Wishing said...

I somehow missed the "Prayer Closet," shown in the Duggar home. Wouldn't it be better if the kids in the family could use that room to have a heart to heart, one on one talks with one, or both of their parents, instead of sitting there & trying to think up something to say to God. After all they can pray to God any place at anytime. Let them get some use out of that room by spending quality time with a parent.

Ginny said...

I found it sickening to see Michele & Anna out together, enjoying the evening. By the way just where is Josh these days? The 6 months of "treatment" certainly must be up by now, all this news about him broke in May & supposedly he went directly into the rehab center, if you believe that.

Leia said...

Cindy, However, the Bates family is still embedded within the Stupid Gothard Cult!

Elspeth said...

Josh didn't go to rehab until after the Ashley Madison news broke in August. He went around August 26 so isn't quite due out if he didn't have to repeat any modules.

mickey said...

Anna? Breeding again? This show is really about sex, pregnancy, more sex, pregnancy. All Duggar girls will be dropping another mouth to feed soon, and then, more courtship...this family is truly boring. All they do is breed, talk about breeding, planning breeding....

sandi said...

I suspect Anna is wearing whatever JB and M tell her to wear (must be approved) and posting whatever JB tells her to post.I don't think she is,under their roof,allowed to have any thoughts or ideas or opinions of her own.JMO

Pretty Girl said...

I hope anna is not going to have a 5th child. if josh is in rehab how did he have any time to have to to get his wife knock up again. and as Christian the diggers need to repent they do not know the real love of God in my book because God would not want their children locked up at home doing nothing. and as far as going to church they do not go. As a Christian they do not live the life style they are putting on a show. they are doing a great dis service to their children. shame on Jim Bod and Michelle.

Annie said...

I just saw this yesterday.

http://www.etonline.com/news/182538_the_duggars_coming_back_to_tv/

Apparently, the family is back on camera in town in stores and such and the town members aren't happy. I have read mixed opinions of them but since all of the stories breaking, some feelings have changed.

As for courtship, we have been hearing that song for years.... and years. I pity the poor girl that goes into one. It will be arranged.

The comments about the KJV of the Bible are interesting. That is the version my family and church uses. I respect all of the other versions, but we like the KJV because of the language and feel it to be accurate. However, to correctly lead and guide a family the patriarch must study and learn for himself (just as the mother should). There are lots of study guides to go along with the Bible. JB should be immersing himself in the Good Book everyday perhaps with some sort of study guide along with prayer to be the spiritual leader he says he is. I know that they have said that they read a chapter of Proverbs daily as a family according to the date (there are 31 chapters of Proverbs). which is a cute idea, but in the end without daily discussion and pondering that might only result in the whole family memorizing the entire book of Proverbs-and honestly worst things have happened. Part of my point is that understanding and background knowledge help with spiritual growth. My house has more than 1 study guide for scriptural learning and we use them all as a help. My husband and I don't know everything.

But, --and here is where I get very leery-- when one makes his own church and laws-those are the dangers. Some things fall off and new laws and ideas take the place of the what should be. Especially when the kids have no other outside contact or influence. They have no Sunday School teachers or school teachers or friends' parents to question. They don't even have godparents to confide in. It's like this ingrown little town where the family tree keeps growing in and not out. Wow. The prayer closet just doesn't do it. They couldn't even go outside to pray aloud by a tree because someone would find them and be a "buddy".
When I saw on one episode that they had a "homegrown" church, I was alarmed and I wondered where his authority came from. I felt the same way with Gil Bates when he and Kelly said that the Lord put a "burden on Gil's heart to start preaching". I consider myself spiritually inclined and I don't even understand that phrase. They take all of the this authority onto themselves. When I think of their homegrown churches I think of this: when a car veers off a path by an inch at first it may be only an inch but if it continues on that path, it will end up WAY off course. This is what has happened. As many know, the Bible can be interpreted however one wants it to be-it's all in one's mindset and who you want to control and personal agenda.

Melissa said...

RE:Pretty Girls comment about how could Anna be pregnant. You must have missed all the comments on social medial about Anna visiting Josh at the rehab & that they had conjugal visits. This happens in prisons as well. When Ted Bundy was on death row he fathered a child via this type of visit.

Cedric said...

Wow watching the View & the panel of wome really did a number on the Duggars. These women realize the Duggars are holier than thou & are all about money gravy train. One of the women commented.. Don't watch this Duggar family & the numbers will plummet & then they will go away. I especially agreed with Sharon Osborne's comments.

Annie said...

Re: Melissa

Ewwww..... that's all I could think of. That is the last thing that I would be able to do on a visit.

Natasha said...

Annie, the "burden on my heart" phrasing comes form the Baptist church primarily. I have several friends in Baptist ministry who refer to their church or their mission as the "burden on their heart." I find it unfortunate phrasing because, as a minister, I can't imagine telling my church they were a burden to me. Yet, I understand that what they are saying is that it weighs heavily on their hearts and they feel the obligation, much as I felt the call to ministry and then accepted the call when a group of people asked me to come with them to form a new church. I maintain a church board and do not make the rules on my own.

I believe the Duggar and Bates families follow the teachings of Bill Gothard, and probably make their rules based on his teachings. Participation in their homeschool program requires they live a certain way, and likely they are unable to find a church with the same belief structure, so they make their own to comply.

Just Plain Offended said...

The Duggars believe babies are the answer to all problems on earth. Thanks, so much Duggars, for your contribution to world problems. I'll compare your carbon footprint to mine, and then let's compare my carbon footprint to a child in poverty, without access to clean water, and malnourished. I plead guilty, very guilty. My only defense is that I have only one car with high mpg, plant a yearly vegetable garden, take my own bags to stores and my own cups to coffee places, don't use paper or styrofoam plates, and mow my lawn with a hand mower (for exercise). I also don't fly around in my own airplane. I suspect that "buying used and saving the difference" has less to do with taking care of the environment and more to do with cheapskate Jim Bob Duggar saving a buck.

The last person who should be having another baby right now is Anna, but Michele has been her idol from the beginning, so she'll just keep on having those babies and give them names that start with M as in Michelle.

Syndee said...

"Wow watching the View & the panel of wome really did a number on the Duggars. "

Is this recent? I couldn't find it on the website.

Andrea said...

More evidence of Jill and Derrick's low intelligence level - Derrick pushing a sleeping baby Izzy in a hammock. The baby is sound asleep yet Derrick decides to rock the hammock and some films this? It's almost like he wanted to film the baby rocking out of the hammock and have it be caught on camera. Why else would someone put a sleeping baby in a hammock? Seriously, watching Jill and Derrick is like watching 16 and Pregnant. It's insanity ... It feels like something bad happening is inevitable.

Willey said...

It was on The Talk-Sharon Osbourne & Sara Gilbert & Aisha Tyler really talked about on Friday 2/19/16

Denisean said...

Here's the link on you tube...(For the talk)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tOf6vIbtJU

Carole said...

Finally watched Michael Bates creeptastic wedding. It was fine, even nice, until her father said to the groom "you can kiss your bride after I kiss her on the cheek". Am I the only one grossed out by it? Bad enough your first act of intimacy is in front of hundreds of people he has to give her a kiss first?

Roo Doo said...

I just looked at Anna's Instagram. And read the comments. Ugh. All the people who called her a "HERO" and said she was doing the right thing by standing with Josh. And how she is an inspiration. To me, she isn't a hero. She is a brainwashed sheeple without the guts to break away from that God-awful family. It doesn't take guts to stay. It takes guts to leave with her children and start a new life. And as far as the umpteen comments I've read about how God will bless their marriage because she stayed...there is a reason why "Thou shalt not commit adultery" is in the 10 commandments. It breaks the covenant of marriage! For whatever reason folks commit that particular sin (sexual addiction, failing marriage, whatever) it is a sin that, in God's eyes, is pretty dang big. Societal constructs aside. And as far as the church goes, it's one of the few instances where a divorce is completely allowable and annulments are given. The covenant is broken, end of story. If Anna truly loves Josh and is willing to forgive him for her own reasons and work on the marriage, that's great! But if she is doing this because her family (and Josh's) are pushing her to stay and making her feel OBLIGATED to stay because that's what God would want her to do, that's entirely another. As my priest once said, "God wants us to be happy, not to suffer in a marriage that is abusive." In my opinion, this qualifies as abusive. Josh strays, MEchelle and JimBob lording over her and maintaining control, being kept in a situation where she is under continual surveillance by her inlaws, her own parents not stepping in...the list goes on and on. And I'm sorry, but she does not look at peace with her life. Her eyes tell the whole story.

mickey said...

Good analysis. Ugh, Derelict looks like a bum. Well, of course, he is one. This family is so completely repugnant.

Dawn Whipple said...

With all this coming out again about Gothard abusing young women and girls, you would think Jim Bob and Michelle would stay at home and talk to their girls about the possibility of any of their children being abused by this scum Gothard. After all, they sent their girls to Journey to the Heart. There are pictures of the girls with Gothard. As a parent, I think I would want to spend lots of time with my daughter's making them feel comfortable to talk to me if something did happen. I am in no way saying the girls were abusex, but you think it may be a possibility. As a parent I would want to know. Instead the Duggars are out traveling, and have made no comment denouncing this loser. Something else swept under the rug???

Meme said...

I feel the need to say that I am Southern Baptist and my beliefs are NOTHING like the Duggars' beliefs. I hope that they are not still claiming to be Southern Baptists.

I am unfamiliar with Gothard's ways but this must be the chosen religion of the Duggars. Cause it sure AIN'T my religion! Nothing Southern Baptist about it. I wear pants, have a college degree, have experienced dating, have a job, have a (smart) husband and only two children. We do public school and attend church with hundreds of other people in a building that is not someone's home.

What is scary is that J Bob considers himself knowledgeable and intelligent enough to appoint himself head of the cult...er..church. I notice that Grandma and Deanna still wear their pants and short hair, BTW. Wonder what it would/will take for Mrs. Mary to say "enough!" Or, "Jim Bob, you were not raised this way, WHAT are you doing to my grandchildren?!!" I know, I know, Grandma would be exiled from the compound forever. Michelle would insist. Hey! I just came up with your way out, Grandma!

Sue said...

In response to: "s said...
Proof that Anna is living in a delusional world--she claims the female star of the move War Room is her hero. Really, Anna? It's a fictional story. It's pretend. It's not real. Find a real "hero" and go away."

Anna is not claiming that the fictional character from War Room is her hero. She is claiming that Priscilla Shirer is her hero. This is the woman who played the lead role in the movie. Long before this movie she was well-known in Christian circles for writing many books and bible studies. She is a real woman with a real life that many find honorable and worthy of being called a hero.

Syndee said...

Wouldn't it be funny to see Grandma with long hair and the curling iron doing banana curls. Can you just imagine that. Seriously, anyone know why she wasn't pushed to do the long hair thing? Or else once you hit a certain age you can cut your hair. Maybe menopause? But surely Michelle's hair would be short if that were the case.

Anna is so proud of herself for deciding she will stay with Josh. But on the practical side, no matter how many things she is determined to "walk through," we haven't heard from the most important part - Josh. Has he ever announced he wants to get back with her? Why is it the assumption? What's all the things he will do differently? HE should be the one announcing he will fight for the marriage and walk through hot coals barefoot or whatever it takes to win her back. She sounds like a pathetic 20-something that needs to read the book, "He's Just Not that Into You."

Denisean said...

"If Anna truly loves Josh and is willing to forgive him for her own reasons and work on the marriage, that's great! But if she is doing this because her family (and Josh's) are pushing her to stay and making her feel OBLIGATED to stay because that's what God would want her to do, that's entirely another."...

Sadly, I don't think Anna knows the difference between the two.

KimmieH said...

Add to that both Jill & Derick are Repulsive as is Jessa & Ben.

Katie's Mom said...

Re:ReeDoo's post. That's an absolutely great post! You have hit the nail on the head. You'd have to be living underground & never see the light of day, not to see how Anna is being "handled" by Jim Bob,Michelle & especially her own parents. The fact that her own parents haven't stepped forward, makes them just as bad as Jim Bob & Michelle. I can't imagine leaving my daughter on her own with those two idiots, Jim Bob & Michelle. I just always remember that Mr. Keller, her dad look like that cat that swallowed the canary when Josh proposed to Anna. He kept saying over & over again ad nauseam, "we just love the Duggars & it's not because they are on T.V" That was always a case of "I think thou dost protest too much," in my mind. If my daughter was so brainwashed, that she would not listen to reason, or see that she was being made a complete fool of, & refused an help from us, her parents, I certainly for the rest of my days would be doing my best to watch out for the welfare of my grandchildren. Believe me they are going to need it.

Just Me said...

Every wedding I've ever been to, the father of the bride has either given the bride a kiss on the check just before they started to walk down the aisle to the waiting groom, or as he hands his daughter off to the groom at the alter.

lisa mcginess said...

when is he getting out of that rehab place anyway? seems like it is suppose to be about six months. I should drive by and see if he is still there since it is not far from where I live I might see him outside or something.

Missy said...

Is there someone out there that can explain to me why Jim Bob & Michelle are putting so much time & effort into keeping Anna there in their family when it is Josh that has thrown the marriage in to chaos? Anna is forced to speak in public, when it is their son who has committed adultery & broken the covenant of marriage. Whether or not Anna remains with Josh is not going to affect my life, but I don't think this young woman who was pregnant when her husband was involved with prostitutes & addicted to porn, should have to shoulder all the blame for her husbands actions & that's exactly what's happening. He has yet to show his face in front of a cameras. Is TLC going to pretend that Josh doesn't exists?They just happen to have this young women living with them with her children that have the last name Duggar?

mickey said...

Maybe it is a Southern thing? I have never seen that at any wedding I have been to, I live in the Northwest.

Seems sort of creepy to me.

coleen said...

per "mickey said...


Maybe it is a Southern thing? I have never seen that at any wedding I have been to, I live in the Northwest.

Seems sort of creepy to me.

2/21/2016 10:07 AM"

It's not a traditional Southern thing. Its part of the new "my values are better than your values" thing. I've seen Southern conservative wedding blog posts where the father stands beside the daughter throughout the ceremony and instead of the minister saying, "You may now kiss the bride" the father gives a statement about transferring his authority over to her new husband and then gives his 'blessing' (or permission) for the couple to kiss.

sandi said...

Grandma D may not be able to grow her hair long.I know I was unable to grow my hair past a certain length as I got older.I'm not sure she minds,anyway.And she isn't wearing extensions or a wig;I presume she hasn't been pushed for that.I think her hair looks nice for her age,nothing else needed

Meme said...

Ladies I have NEVER seen what you are describing at ANY Southern wedding. Transferring authority? Giving permission to kiss? This is neither Southern OR Baptist, please see my post above. There's a certain segment of society that engages in this type of behavior. Are they Gothard? I do not know. I have honestly never seen people who dress and act like the Duggars and I've lived all over the state of Arkansas. This is why the Duggars had a television show - they are not the norm.

Nothing oppressive about the South. It is absolutely wonderful here, ya'll!

Mindi said...

Re: Dinesean's comments. I agree that if this is Anna choice, by her own free will, to stay with Josh & work on her marriage, fine. I'm sure many women have done that in the past, & will continue to do the same in the future. However, it's doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that Anna is completely under the Duggars control, & by God that's where she will remain. The saddest thing is, Anna is being coerced into remaining in this marriage, in order for the Duggars TV show to continue. They are not controlling her so she can mend her marriage, & have a loving supportive husband, & a dad of good character for her children. That's far & away from their plans. She has sold her soul to the devil, that imposter, Jim Bob. When has anyone seen Anna anywhere by herself since this scandal? She is always accompanied by a buddy whether it's Michelle, or one of her sisters-in law. Just exactly how much longer will it be before Josh shows his face in public & makes a me-a-culpa to his wife? All he has said in public since May, is when he admitted to being the "biggest hypocrite." Well Josh you're more than a hypocrite, you're actually acting like a child, who wants Momma & daddy to fix this problem you created, & that's exactly what they are doing, with help from TLC & their PR team.

mickey said...

Jim Bob uses the "Cherry Pick" bible. Which means he repeats verses that have obscure meaning to him, and ignores everything else.

Just my thoughts said...

We really do not know what Anna has been doing this past six months other than living in the girls room. All we know is what has been shown on the shows and posted to social media. Does she ever go out on her own or just her and the kids? Does she still have a vehicle of her own? Does she grocery shop and clothes shop for her and the kids? Was she ever in therapy and still in therapy? We say that her parents have failed her but what do we know. On the show we saw her parents visit while they were in Arkansas and DC and we saw were Josh, Anna and kids visted them in Florida. I do not think Josh or Anna posted much on social media about Anna's parents. David Waller would post the family together on Thanksgiving and David posted when he and family and Anna parents visted Josh and Anna in Arkansas after moving back after the first scandal and before the second scandal. David spent the past Thanksgiving with his parents. He posted that Anna's parents visited them in their new home in Texas during Christmas and New Years. Maybe Anna' parents went by and visted Anna afterwards or beforehand. Hopefully Anna's parents have been in touch by phone at least. Like I said, we really do not know.

Mindi said...

Re: Just my thoughts.I agree the are always two sides to every story & perhaps the Keller's did visit Anna during this time, & maybe they are offering her, at the very least some moral support. I am only going by what's been shown on previous episodes. The Duggar have taken over all the spouses of their children. In the 7 yrs. Anna & Josh have been married, all the Keller visits we have been shown, & of course there may have been many more, but we haven't seen them. We saw them when they came to the Duggars home for the 1st time when Josh & Anna got engaged. Then Mrs. Keller attended the baby shower for Anna, & then they both came a week or so after Mackenzie was born. We saw them visit the house they were renting in Maryland. Mr. Keller was certainly impressed with the big home his daughter was living in at that time. I can't really tell with Anna's mom, it's almost as though she is either very shy, or she "keeps sweet," as the women are supposed to. Remember when she beat Jim Bob at bowling, & he insisted they have a "bowl off," so he could claim victory, & he did just that? She had actually won the game, but gave in to Jim Bob, & actually backed away from him as he celebrated his victory. I just have the feeling that Mr. Keller doesn't want this marriage to dissolve, & it's not because of his daughter & grandchildren's welfare or their future, but more because he still remains so impressed with the Duggars. He's delighted, that they have a TV show & Anna is being referred to as a celebrity with her picture all over People magazine. If she were my daughter, I would have been completely distraught seeing her bearing her soul on the Jill & Jessa & Counting shows, making a fool of herself when Joshie boy was at fault. I would have made the trip from Florida to AR to be with my daughter & counsel her, instead of letting Jim Bob & Michelle have at her. She would at least have heard my words;"Anna you are not at fault,you have been a good wife & excellent mother." The Dugars have her convinced that a good deal of blame rests on her shoulders, certainly not on their saintly son.I wonder if Michele would take that attitude if Jim Bob cheated on her with a prostitute, when she was pregnant with; #,12,13,14 or whichever one it was.

Denisean said...

Anna's parents would have been no help, even if they did come to "support" her, instead of leaving her with JB&M... They believe the same messed up things the Duggar's do and would tell Anna the same things. So who cares if they came around or not, they are no help.

Syndee said...

But isn't this the mom that said (by Anna herself) sharing your feelings with your siblings was discouraged, and she only had a 15 min appointment with her mother once a week to discuss her feelings. If that's truly the case, probably Michelle comes across as warm and loving because she actually spends time talking with Anna. Maybe she was so starved for attention that, hard as it is to believe, maybe the Duggar parents seem a better deal.

If that's the case, she should run, not walk, to her nearest therapist...

Mindi said...

To those who expressed the opinion that the Kellers would have been no more help to Anna than the Duggars are, I do agree with those sentiments, but I was just stating how I would handle such a situation, if it ever happened to my daughter. I wonder how Cathy, Derick's mom would handle something like this. I've been waiting for something to happen in Cathy's marriage, as it's very obvious & has been from the beginning that her husband, Derricks step-dad doesn't care one bit for the Duggars & their hypocrisy. To sum it all up it's ridiculous that a woman with 6 or 7 children like Mrs. Keller, can only find 15 min. a week to have a serious talk with her children. However I also believe, unless there is something like these scandals that are threatening the Duggars celebrity, the Duggar kids don't even have the 15 min. a week with their mom. I guess you're special if you get that one on one time with your mom. All in all it's a strange way to live.

Denisean said...

I have a feeling that Anna isn't that crazy about her parents...she got married at 19 and moved hundreds of miles away.

sandi said...

It's not that Anna's mom had only 15 mins. a week to talk to her;it's part of the 'keep sweet' training for ATI.IOW,you get 15 mins. a week to vent your feelings,and the rest of the time,you are to keep them stuffed away and keep a smile on your face until next week

Jen Trudeau said...

I think it's supposed to be a play on words, uncommon combined with men. I can't believe I just defended them!

Willow said...

I just wanted to mention something I thought of recently. Just a little tid bit, really, but interesting to me. Did anyone else see David and Priscilla's wedding ? It was Live-streamed on internet and then later on 19 Kids show (at least part of it). Anyway, remember when Mr. Keller told David that he had to give complete access of his internet usage to Priscilla, including, I believe, his passwords, etc. He mentioned this so specifically that I thought it was odd at the time, but, well, Kellers, etc. Now, after the scandals, I believe Mr. Keller DID know something of Josh's porn usage on the computer, etc. I believe that is why he was so adamant to David about it. It makes perfect sense in hind-sight.

Annie said...

This is regarding the comments about the Kellers. I have wondered myself where they have been. There have been some talk from other siblings about the kind of parents "they really are" and all of that. The truth is, we weren't there with them growing up and we just don't know the atmosphere of the marriage, the way they parent etc. Although the 15 minutes per week seems to be pretty consistent and sad. I couldn't have survived.

It's true that the Duggar's have taken over all of the spouses once one of their own have married, which I personally would have a little problem with, but that is just me. I found it odd that Anna's own mother wasn't there when she had her babies. I would have been. My mom was with me. At least 1-2 days after. Pa Keller really is enamored with the celebrity status of the Duggars. At the wedding he made it very clear that he turned Anna's spiritual leadership/well being over to Joshua. Since the two are legally still married, I would assume that is in force in his mind, whether Joshua is worthy of it or not. Anna talked about meeting Josh at an ATI conference years before they got engaged and the Lord put it into her heart that he "was the one". Pa Keller said (in the engagement show) that the Lord surely worked on Joshua to work a miracle and bring those two together. Or something like that. So, going on that, there is nothing to tear asunder and everything to keep together.

I didn't see the bowling scene where Anna's mom beat JB. The man is a bully. She was right to just walk away and let him have his glory. She won first. What a petty thing for him to do. It's polite to let guests win and feel comfortable. That is what is called being a gentleman. It's nice to be a gracious winner but even better to be a good loser. My kids have the hardest time learning that and which apparently JB still hasn't learned at his "adult" age.

Anna won't go to a therapist. First, she would have to have a buddy along and secondly, where on earth would she find one that would agree with what they have been raised with? it doesn't appear to be in her schema. A support group would be out as well. That would involve leaving the compound, someone would have to go with her and she might get "ideas". Where I live, women's shelters have support groups for the public and they are free. Those are the same reasons that she will never leave him. We don't get it. It's her decision to stay with him, but she will reap the whirlwind of this decision later on. And by then it will be way too late.

I keep saying that this will be a TV movie one day. Or a book. no matter how bizarre the movie turns out to be, it will be truthful. One of those kids will crack and tell all. Just wait...

CatMom said...

The trailer for the new episodes of "Counting On" is up on TLC. Ugh.

Denisean said...

Regarding Anna going to therapy...
You don't have to find a therapist/counselor that believes what you believe- that is ludicrous. Counselors have to keep their personal opinions out of their professional work. Such as, if the therapist is pro-life, they can still counsel a young girl who wants to have an abortion- because they are professionals!

Anna would not be *allowed* to go to a therapist that isn't from their cult, I'm sure is what you meant to say.

Katies Mom said...

I also remember Jim Bob reading the Bible to all the little kids around the dinning rm. table. He absolutely did not understand what he was reading & couldn't pronounce most of the words. Why don't they have age appropriate books for the young kids to learn about God? Litte kids don't understand the King James version of the Bible. Here are all these kids, with no idea what dad is reading, so one decides it would probably be the right thing to jump in & say "I think it means be good to your brother." Jim Bob is obviously relieved, & answers; "yes that's exactly what it means. He's off the hook for awhile. Why don't these holier than thou, pious people, teach those kids that God is a loving God, who will watch over them & help then walk through the fire that might come some day. After all, that's exactly what Anna is claiming. It's her personal relationship with God that is allowing her to "walk through " these difficult times. Those kids are only taught about a vengeful God. You know, if you don't take care of your jurisdictions, you'll be in big trouble with the man upstairs, or if you go against the rules of "never raise a hand to hit, or never raise a foot to kick. The worst part is, that they all truly believe that in their home, Jim Bob is a God unto himself. Jim Bob can spend all his time reading the Bible, & quoting the verses he deems important for his children to live by, but he's never going to actually be a pious, Godly man. Actions speak louder than words.

sandi said...

Jen,it's ok.Uncommen has said they are not affiliated with the Duggars

S said...

So "Counting On" is coming back. Has Anna been hanging around Duggarville to film this? That is a sick thought. Here she should be trying to help her little children deal with the fallout of their father's sinful exploits but instead she's filming for a reality show???????????? I think my head is going to explode.

Chelsea said...

Just saw that Jill & jessa have landed a full season of their show. Sounds SUPER boring!!!

Andrea said...

I'll give it to TLC the trailer makes the show seem interesting, but as we all know there is literally nothing interesting in Jessa being a stay at home mom to one baby and one man/child. Jessa can't carry this show and Jill doesn't appear to be very present.

The show we really want to see is about Jana, Ginger and Joy Anna getting out of there. Let's add Anna to that list as well. Interesting to note, Anna didn't appear in promo.

Meme said...

I'm afraid that "Pa" Keller and I would never get along. I get the idea that he smiles through clenched teeth. Can you imagine being his daughter and needing to have a private chat with Dad? Heck, I'd skip it. It appears that Mrs. Keller is under his thumb, so the fifteen minutes with her would also be useless. She'd probably report to Daddy everything that the kids said to her. No telling what the follow-up involved. No wonder Anna modeled herself after Michelle instead.

But here is what I'd really like to know. How does someone like Gothard convince perfectly normal, intelligent women to turn off their human switch - the one that controls their natural (real) emotions or their self-worth? When you think about it, it's no different than a rock-n-roll groupie who sacrifices her value so she can be with the band. That analogy may be a stretch but I really see no difference when some man - religious or not - treats a woman like she has no worth other than serving HIM. WHAT makes a woman hand herself over?

Yeh, stay far far away from me, Mr. Keller. And I am clenching my teeth as I say that!

Syndee said...

A more exploding-head-worthy thought is that all of those followers still think Anna is so brave and strong and godly and such a role model.

Annie said...

Denisean: That is exactly what I meant to say, it just didn't come out that way. Thanks!

So, if Jessa and Jill are renewed for another season, are Jilerek coming back from their mission? I can't imagine the people in their village loving camera crews following everyone around while they spread the good word. And where will they live? Isn't their house up for sale?

Anonymous No More said...

You've got to be kidding me. They really are coming back. I was a victim of sexual abuse when I was 5-6 years old from my oldest brother who was eight years older than me and a couple of older siblings and a cousin were his victims as well. So similar to the tactics of oldest Duggar son (refuse to even say his name). I know first-hand the deep scars it created for us. Collectively we have spent multiple thousands of dollars and in some cases years in therapy to understand how the incest negatively impacted our decisions as young adults and relationships with boys and men and to get the courage to finally forgive our brother. It's one thing for the sick, sick Duggars to minimize sexual abuse within their own family/cult, but shame on TLC for promoting this sick lifestyle. They are setting back the healing of so many thousands of victims who believe they are to blame and that this is normal sibling behavior. I literally am shaking as I write this.

Denisean said...

I'm also wondering about the "M" children... I mean, Josh went to rehab (cough, cough) when Meredith was a month old. She hasn't bonded with him at all, and the other kids must be missing him. Such nonsense for him to go to this fake therapy to look good to the public, at the suffering of his own family. He could have gone to therapy (for porn addiction- cough cough again) somewhere locally and not abandoned his wife with a newborn.

Meme said...

Anonymous No More: Thanks so very much for your heartbreaking post. I promise you that I will NOT watch the "new show" put out by TLC and the Duggars. Thanks for reminding me why I boycotted them in the first place.
You're in my prayers (and my tears) tonight. God bless you sweet friend.

Ginger said...

RE: Anonymous No More. Thank you for shedding light on what this abuse does to the victims. It was a disgrace that the Duggar girls were forced into that interview with Megyn Kelly. Did anyone see any benefit to them appearing on the show that TLC had about sexual abuse? I know I didn't & of course they had their sweet little momma, Michelle(add sarcasm here) there just to make sure they continued to tow the line. And what about the girl that wasn't a family member, what ever happened to her? Was she paid off by Jim Bob or TLC, to stay out of the limelight? My heart aches for you & all those who have been abused. Sadly in my town, that happened to a number of children who suffered abuse, from a well loved teacher. Please before everyone jumps all over me about how many wonderful teachers there are, & all they do for our children, I am well aware of that, as I have teachers in my own family. It also happens with highly regarded clergy. Parents need to make their children aware that it can happen at anytime, anywhere, to anyone. You'll never see the Duggars teaching their children anything about abuse no matter what they say. My heart goes out to you & I also am keeping you & all other victims in my prayers. I will never watch anything at all connected to TLC or the Duggars, as they are the ones that keep re-victimizing these girls.

Dana said...

I won't be watching the freak show either. My own life is much more exciting than living vicariously through that hot mess.

puddin said...

I refuse to watch this show. With all the non-sense this family has created and that's putting it mildly, TLC should be shut down along with all these cult type religions. Crazy! I can't stand their fake smiles and same old same old. I do like this blog so will continue to visit here. Thanks Sharla :)

lisa magines said...

i am very sure ben and jesse and jill and derrick were pleading with God to renew the show since being beyond the camera is the only life they know. easy way to make money. I am sure JB will be controlling everything again and making money from being filmed.

pretty girl said...

just read on line that Erin and Chad Paine and lawson Bates will not support Bill Gothad Ministries in anyway form of shape. She also said its up to their family members to decide for themselves. this was on her instgram page when a young girl who left that ministry was writing Erin.

Heart in Florida said...

I see a conflict here. How can the Dillards be missionaries AND television stars at the same time? It just doesn't meld well in my mind to be asking for donations from people and to be collecting a TV salary at the same time. What is wrong with these people? The Dillards need to choose which they want to be and dedicate themselves to one thing and one thing alone here. Also, I'm pretty disgusted with Jessa, Ben and the whole lot of them. Do you really think that Jim Bob and Michelle will be no where to be seen? Of course not. They, too, are profiting from this as "managers" of their children's contracts, etc. It's just awful. I still am asking TLC or any other tv network to please do a real documentary on the truth about those "religious" beliefs and to show the real lifestyle that they live as a result, warts and all.

Katie's Mom said...

Have been wondering where Bobbie is? I miss her comments & she was a cheerleader for many who wrote to TLC, as well as sponsors & helped many get the needed addresses. I hope she hasn't given up her valiant fight, as many have been with her, including me. Although, I do understand that we all get to the point of saying to ourselves; this is going to happen anyway, so I'll just get a good book. With this latest well-founded rumor that: "THEY ARE BACK." I am ready to give up on commenting, although I love the blog, Sharla. Sometimes there's only so much you can do, or so much you can take. I've had my fill of the Duggars. Apparently all efforts to show people their true colors have failed. I absolutely believe, the fact that TLC received such high ratings, with Jill & Jessa & Counting, is what's bringing them back. So all those who couldn't keep themselves away from this train wreck, even while claiming to be disgusted by molestation, addiction to porn, & prostitutes, should be happy that this show that they detest, but still remain glued to will now be back. Guess it's time for them to get out the popcorn & watch for a sighting of Josh somewhere on the screen. There' no doubt n my mind about whether or not he will be involved in the new shows. I know TLC has said they would not included Josh, but just how many lies has TLC already told so far? I would guess just as many as the Duggars have told.

S said...

Andrea-- Anna is in the promo for a split second. They are at a coffee shop or restaurant Anna is holding her baby who is wearing a giant white headband. It frosts me to think what she is not doing for her own children's happiness, well being and safety.

Dawn Whipple said...

Oh great, Ben will have a show. He is not interesting, has nothing to say, is too young to give anyone his stupid opinions, and doesn't deserve it. Gross.

Just Me said...

I happened to see a couple of young men approximately Ben's age working in the coffee shop & grocery market today &overheard them taliking with either customers or other workers, saying that this is a second job to help pay for their college. What's wrong with this picture? Here at the very least are two well groomed young men, that want an education so badly, that they are working two jobs & going to school fulltime. Meanwhile, that handsome & brilliant devil Ben Seewald, sits back & becomes a TV star courtesy of his wife & father-in-law

s said...

Ben is so awkward. It is painful watching him. I cringe when he opens his mouth. He is as dull as ditch water. If he would just get a job and a life and a clue........

Meme said...

I promise to slow down my posting after this BUT I just saw a couple of new pics of the smiling, happy Duggars holding hands. Everybody looks a little older, with professional-looking makeup and styled hair. Yep, a whole new generation of grifters. They look so happy to be back in the grifting game! Not one of the Dugs thought they wouldn't be back. So there never was any reason to look for silly ole jobs. Self-respect? Well, that's optional in Duggarland.

Wondering said...

I saw an ad for the new show for the first time today. Are the kids going to be jumping up & down to music, as the Bates kids do at the opening of their show? They didn't show any music playing, but it looked as though they were jumping up & down, as the entire Bates family does.

Syndee said...

Katie's mom, don't be too discouraged. I read the latest articles and more and more people in the comments are mentioning ATI and Gothard, meaning more and more people are becoming aware of the connection. I became interested in the family only about 1 or 2 years ago, and back then I had never heard of Gothard or any of that. No one seemed to know it was a cult back then, it was still the lady with the nice obedient family.

So I still think there is a silver lining to all this. So they have a show for a while longer... but the country is becoming aware of these cults. Look at all the attention on the FLDS group, they are in the news now because of food stamp fraud. People start comparing these groups. Anything that brings them out of hiding is better for all involved. Too bad for every two steps forward there is a step back...

Katie's Mom said...

I previously mentioned well-founded rumors about the show returning. I was wrong about it being a rumor. It's being advertised with the date & time it will start. I was surprised to see the ad on a station I didn't know was connected to TLC.

Missy said...

How dare that Nancy Daniels from TLC only 2-3 weeks, ago state that TLC had not yet decided if they would continue their association with the Duggar when all the while they were already taping?

nancyr said...

It's no surprise to me that the Duggar circus side show is back. I knew it would return months before it was canceled.

I've also known since 14 Kids and Pregnant Again! first aired a dozen years ago that ole JimBob was a card carrying member of the keep 'em barefoot and pregnant, open and close the womb, Gothard cult. But I still love the show for all its hokey, over the top, religious nutterisms including the unforgettable field trip to the evolution denying Creationist Museum where Adam and Eve frolicked with the dinosaurs, just like Fred and Wilma Flintstone.

My advice to you all is to sit back, fire ups some tater tot casserole and enjoy the show. Honestly, the Duggars are no better and no worse than America's other first family of reality TV -- the money grubbing, poorly educated, famous for being famous, sex and drugs scandal ridden Kardashian Clan.

Leia said...

Apparently Nancy Daniels enrolled in The Jim Bob Duggar class that teaches lies, deception & brainwashing of a Cult to viewers.

Chloe said...

Last January, I chose to delete the TLC channel. Pleased I made this decision.

Bobbi said...

Katie's Mom, I haven't posted comments because I've exhausted every effort contacting TLC & other major networks to no avail. In January I applied to law school & I am waiting a reply from IU law school here in Indy. Re the Duggars, I believe this new TV venture of theirs will be short lived. A plethora of people now realize the Duggars are embedded within this depraved Gothard Cult & they will have very little tolerance for ignorance purported by Jim Bob & Michelle. The FLDS & Warren Jeffs imploded & I believe the same will happen with Gothard, Duggars & Bates as well.

Syndee said...

I know they're compared to the Kardashians all the time but the Kardashians are definitely the lesser of two evils. They don't suppress the women, in fact the main one, Kim, actually had some real business accomplishments. She also did some tv shows (bad as they may be) as an actual actress, not just a reality figure. I think they look worse because of their sex antics, but the only difference is that the Kardashians filmed theirs and the Duggars didn't. The Duggar antics were way worse - child sister diddling is so more horrible than any graphic tape made by any adult celebrities. I mean, imagine running across the Kim tape on some website - you'd go ewww and close the browser. But if you ran across a tape of what Josh actually did to the sisters, you'd be haunted for life.

Andrea said...

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/showtracker/la-et-st-tlc-duggar-honey-boo-boo-scandals-20160107-story.html

I found the above article about press coverage of TLC and the Duggars. It's from January but it proves that the media is critically watching the Duggars.I think someone is working on exposing the Duggar's but good investigative reporting takes time. I think within the next 6 months something might come out.

Katie's Mom said...

Thanks so much Bobbi for all you hard work. I wish you well in your new endeavor, & certainly hope you are on target about the Duggars. I know these thing have a span of their own, it's just that this one has been longer than I had hoped. I knew you had put a great deal of effort into exposing the Duggars for what they are & not what they portray. I am especially furious that Nancy Daniel, only 2-3 weeks ago said TLC wasn't sure what future the Duggars would have with TLC. We now know that they were already filming at that time.
I do believe you are correct,that once they are not hiding their light under a bush, a great deal more about the fact that this is actually a cult will be will brought to light.
Thanks again for all your hard work. Good luck & God Bless you in your future.

Willow said...

Bobbi - Best of luck with Law School - I bet you will do great!! Keep us updated if you get a chance.

Willow said...

Yes, the Duggars do make the Kardashians look good (in SO many ways). Irony is lost on them, of course, but a little amusing to the rest of us!!

dueit said...

Regarding the Duggars and kardashians...sadly in this perverse world, sex sells. Not even sure why with all the OVER exposure of it. The world needs something else to focus on. Maybe another billion dollar pb jackpot...lol?

coleen said...

What is sad is that the adult children probably don't know any other way to make an income for themselves besides reality tv. I can't imagine being comfortable with a camera in my personal life daily.

Nana8 said...

I have read most, but not all, of the above comments so I hope that I don't repeat someone else's thoughts. I remember that on another "reality" show, just as the "characters" began to wise up about receiving compensation for letting cameras follow them everywhere, that a relative demanded payment for time in front of the camera. That relative then disappeared forever. Perhaps the same happened with the Kellers. No way Daddy D would hand over even a small slice of his pie.

Elspeth said...

In that case, the relative did not demand payment. TLC offered it and the star went berserk over it.

Syndee said...

Yes sex sells. But that was the basis for the popularity of the Duggars in the first place. Who the girls are having sex with, how soon after they get married are they going to do it, when will they get pregnant (proof of sex), who they are not having sex with, when are they finally going to be allowed to kiss someone, what the brothers are doing in private, what the parents are doing and when, and who's watching the kids when they do, and what Michelle's attitude about sex is to her husband, etc. etc. You can think of more. But it's all related to sex. No one really cared about the tater tot casserole recipe.

Wondering said...

Elpeth is absolutely correct. TLC offered some sort of stiepend, not even what could b considered a fair amt. for the appearances of a relative. In fact it wasn't just an appearance, as TLC had actually filmed in her home & yes the "STAR," went berserk.

Wishing said...

Both Jim Bob & TLC, have made comments about other families having these type of problems. The big difference is they don't have TV shows, & they are not being paid to brush these scandals under the rug, as the Duggar have with TLC's blessing.

IU HOOSIER said...

Syndee, just loved the tater tot casserole comment. Thanks for the laugh. Too stoked to turn in for the evening as my college IU is .#1 in the Big 10 Conf!!!

Cedric said...

Andrea, Thanks for this smart info. With so many great people who post at this sight who have emailed many media networks, perhaps now the timing is right & this Gothard Cult crap will finally become Exposed. I am hopeful. Thanks again.

Windy said...

I cannot believe all the comments floating around on social medial about how much Jessa looks like Kate Middleton, now that Jessa has her hair in bangs. In my eyes Kate Middleton is a gorgeous woman, with a beautiful face, a kind smile & hair that looks like it's kept trimmed & washed more than just occasionally.

mickey said...

The show is coming back? Sad. Those young gals will have to breed on demand to keep the "pregnancy" fetish viewers happy. I wonder if the Duggars learned the lesson about home births? Or will we see more home birth emergencies? Probably they will keep them at home for the extra drama. After all, no big deal, they could die...but the show must go on! So, I predict Anna is breeding, Jill and Jessa are both breeding, and there has to be a few courtship romances going to give Jim Bob an opportunity to dry hump Michelle at mini golf.

Lydee said...

http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2016/02/josh-duggar-returning-to-reality-television.html So, the website Crazydaysandnights.net recently revealed info regarding their previous Duggar blind items.
Totally plausible that Joshy had a "friend with benefits" at Jesus jail and that Jana has been trying to break loose for a while. Typical of these lying hypocrites!!!

Jen said...

The thing Jana "totally didn't see happening" is certainly her getting married soon ...

Rudy Tecat said...

Maybe the thing Jana "totally didn't see happening" was Anna moving back in with her children, giving Jana a few more kids to babysit. We're continually being misled by Duggar clues.

Leia said...

Wow just logged on to that site. Josh Duggar looks like a bloated mess. He definitely resembles the Pilksbury Dough Boy.

Roo Doo said...

Mickey, the whole unassisted home birth thing with the Duggars is part of an intrinsic quiverfull belief that medicine cannot be trusted and that God should be at the center of giving and delivering their sweet, precious gifts. So no, the home birth thing with the Duggars will never go away, unless they pull away from their beliefs, which I do not see happening.

I posted this link before. It explains a little about the home birth movement with the quiverfulls and addresses some of the dangers behind it.

http://www.alternet.org/story/141499/my_womb_for_god%27s_purposes%3A_the_perils_of_unassisted_childbirth_in_the_quiverfull_movement/

There is a very real reason why we have trained medical professionals present at births, whether doctors or CNMs at the hospital or CNMs at home or in a birthing center. People whose extensive medical training has prepared them to save lives during emergencies and help ensure healthy babies and mommies. Training that could very easily be connected to God-given intelligence and the divinely given capacity to do it. It is truly a God-given gift to have the ability to practice medicine successfully and the Duggars just don't see it.

It's amazing how medical intervention was very welcome during "precious miracle" Josie's birth, or how it was sought out when MeChelle and SpongeBob saw a fertility specialist.

The very frightening thing is that, out of two Duggar daughter births, both landed them in the hospital with complications. I truly, TRULY hope not, but how long will it be before there are serious repercussions after something inevitably goes wrong with one of the many home births I see forthcoming in this family?

KariP. said...

Jana getting married?? Noway!! That is just watch bait. I really cannot see JB and Michelle letting that happen. Unless Jana is ready to move a whole tribe of siblings in with her. And who would cook if Jana left? Come on people, for real here! No way!!

Jen said...

You're right, Rudy!
its always like that - sounds interesting and then it's just nothing

Elspeth said...

Yet Michelle and Kelly Bates both had several hospital births and Erin Paine and Whitney Bates had hospital births.

sandi said...

Alyssa Webster delivered at a birth center.So all of the Bates offspring have been wise about medical care.Kelly even suggested an epidural for Whitney.You would never hear that from Michelle,imo.Erin Paine had planned to have an epidural,but her emergency situation didn't allow that.
I'm glad the Bates are all being wise about medical care;it would be nice to see the Duggars take note and do the same.The Bates gkids all have cute names,too,and no one was competing for the 'best' Christian name they could fine.(I think they could have just went with the name Christian,and it would have been better,imo)

Willow said...

If the Duggars can hire a like-minded nanny/homeschool instructor,(Tabby Paine), they can hire a like-minded cook. They have a like-minded laundress already. They could train one of the boy twins to be the like-minded secretary, and then JANA could go. Please Duggars, consider this. Its not that hard. Jana did her fair share.

Heart in Florida said...

My opinion regarding the "Jana surprise" is that it is something insignificant. It's just a tease to get people to watch the show.

Aunt Bea said...

Leia, what sight is it that you logged on to that had Josh as a bloated mess? Thanks

Wendy Heusel said...

i recently did a lot of you tube video search on this cult theduggars follow and there is a lot of stories out there on this guy pretty bad. also a lot of stuff online if you do google search. this is not normal and women all breeding machine for men and only do what men say. hope these kids wake up. i would not support the diggers in any way possible or form.

Meme said...

The thought of a return to television for the Duggars makes me tired. I could not care less about their courtships, pregnancies, trips or weddings. Most annoying are the "interviews" with the youngest children. YAWN!

Now that we know the Duggars' dirty little secrets the idea of another season is especially offensive. And I'm not just referring to Josh. They are all so fake and arrogant.

Anyway it looks like we're getting a show back. I refuse to line JB's pockets anymore so ya'll let me know when the rest of the skeletons start coming out of the closets.

sandi said...

Heart in Fl,yes,Jana probably baked a cake and it came out without any air bubbles in it.That's the surprise

Lindsay said...

Re:Meme's comments. I agree with everything you said. I will not watch anything that has anything to do with the Duggars. Your comment about lining Jim Bob's pockets hit home for me, as I wrote more post than I can remember, asking people not to line Jim Bob's pockets with ill gained pieces of gold before the Jill & Jessa shows aired. It was all to no avail. So many people said it's like a train wreck & a train wreck is exciting. These are the people that gave them the numbers they needed to come back on TV. If people continue to see it this way, good ole Jim Bob will need an armored guard to help him carry his pieces of gold to the bank. Sometimes you just can't change people minds. Sadly they don't realize all the harm done to those children.
As far as this teaser re:Jana goes, that's exactly what it is. She might just be saying that she never saw it coming that Anna & 4 kids would be moving in with them her workload would continue to increase.

«Oldest ‹Older   1 – 200 of 217   Newer› Newest»