Free Discussion, April, 2017

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Daisy said...

Jessa Blessa is now giving advice to young women on choosing a husband. She advises to choose carefully as a man cannot be changed.I thought that they believe that Josh through repentance and therapy(cough cough) had been redeemed and was a changed man, so which is it, can be changed or can't. Where old fingers Duggar is concerned i'm pretty sure we know the answer to that.

Aunt Bea said...

I wonder if Jessa realized what her statement would bring to mind? It's contradictory for her to say this and believe that her brother, Josh, could be a changed man. I also think that she could be disappointed that Ben isn't growing up. I think she wanted some change to occur by now, but no dice for her...Ben still must have his love of Christian rap and Christian wrappers, both of which Jessa obviously disapproves of. Jessa also has no life experience to speak about. She is still in the early learning stages of real life; if that. We all don't have a free house from Grandma and 'employment' from Daddy and a TV show to pay our bills.

Confused292 said...

Just curious: why does everyone think Jesse believes Josh has changed? I must have missed something. Aren't Jim Bob and Michelle the ones that actually think that Josh has changed. Did Jessa come out and say she believes that ? I think she resents Josh ruining the family image!

Meme said...

Completely random thought but does anyone else believe that the girls probably did not realize that they were victims (of sexual abuse) until the Megyn Kelly interview? I remember Jill using the word "victim" at the time like it was new. So I am wondering if Anna will learn anything when Josh returns to court, assuming that he goes back? Doubtful, I know, but sometimes an off-hand remark or small detail gives us pause. I wish I knew who is going to be questioned since the media is implying that Josh will not be the only one. Also, does anyone have an idea how much money we're talking about? Curious.

Aunt Bea said...

Confused292: I'm sure Jessa feels that Josh HAS ruined the family image, but according to their beliefs, she MUST forgive Josh, or she won't be forgiven herself, by Christ. It's what they teach their children.

I think she' has some conflict with that. I wonder if Ben had Josh's premarital history and then cheated on her throughout their marriage so far like Josh did to Anna, what would Jessa do? Would she be another Anna and take it, forgive and stay? Or would she kick him to the curb, forgive him and then throw out all his clothes after him?

How would Jim Bob and Michelle react to one of their sons-in-law doing that to one of their daughters? No one has EVER asked them this in an interview, because they wouldn't answer that question in the first place.

Pixie said...

I'm sure JimBob will have this case 'go away'in his usual manner. I cannot imagine he would allow Josh to take the stand or any of his victims, can you imagine the skeletons that would come tumbling out of the closet, presuming they would tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth because Duggars never lie or mislead. Josh having to ackowledge what he has done in public would perhaps take him down a much needed peg or three he needs to stop hiding behind his parents, wife and sisters. This might finally show the fans exactly what he and the rest of the family are, a truely messed up bunch.

lisa mcgingess said...

what does everyone think of michelles friend cindy? kinda weird she is been her friend for so many years and they live different lifestyels espically when michelle is popping out kids year after year and cindy may have not have any? and if cindy is her good friend why do not they stay over there like a real aunt.l we know michelle would never let her kids let her go stay at her house? or let her influence her kids in a worldy way. and I am sure Jim bob does not even like her?

Daisy said...

Aunt Bea @ 12:54 and 5:24 good point on Ben not growing up I had never thought of Jessa not being happy with man childs lack of maturity. Your question about what would Jessa do if Ben treated her like Josh treated Anna I think it would all depend on wether they still have a TV show or not. If they still had the show there would be plenty of tears and then 'but I fogive' to please the loyal huggers, if no show daddy would have her back at the tin mansion so quick Ben wouldn't know wether to scratch his watch or wind his butt and either way Jessa would be giving Ben hell behind closed doors.

Heart in Florida said...

Meme: Excellent post. Yes, I unfortunately agree with you. I don't think the Duggar daughter victims realized they were victims. Yes, Jill did seem to use that word like it was a foreign pronunciation, much like she did when saying that Derick had a "batch-el-oars" degree. It was a term she never heard. Those girls had a number done on them by their parents and for one, don't want to see their mugs on TV anymore, nor do I want to hear Jim Bob and Michelle's voice. They are terrible parents.

Ginger said...

It makes me so angry that those girls who were molested are not allowed to have their own feelings about it. It's should be entirely up to them if they want to go on TV & make a spectacle of themselves saying how they have forgiven their brother. Meanwhile we have the parents saying they didn't know what was happening to them. The Duggars PR Machine got them out of that one but they have hurt those girls in ways we will never know. If they truly forgive Josh that should be between them & Josh & their God. It's not up to Michelle, Jim Bob & Megan Kelly. Funny isn't it that the Duggars find their way to the TV cameras when they need to get themselves out of a mess. They invite them right in to their Warm, Godly & Loving home. You know Jesus First, Others Second, Yourself Last.(enter sarcasm

Pixie said...

Lisa remember when Cindy came over and Michelle got the makeover, you got the vibe from jimbob that he didn't like Cindy. Michelle looked great but nervous of what JB would say and predictably he didn't like it so it was straight back to the 80s. I wonder what Cindy thinks of Jimbob and if Michelle ever confides in her, afterall thats what friends do.

Heart in Florida said...

Another thought entered my mind...(I have to stop thinking about this family).

Would Jim Bob have given Derick permission to court and marry Jill had Derick come to Jim Bob in the state he is in now? Derick has no real job, no permanent address, no car, no insurance. His income is determined by donations to his 'ministry'. Jill's daddy was SO concerned about Derick's finances and working stability being able to provide for his Jilly Muffin. This still doesn't add up to me. Jim Bob had some nerve grilling Derick when he was at his best; a college graduate with a bachelor's degree in accounting, working in his field of study and living locally.

I find it strange that they don't allow their daughters to work a white collar gentle job; ie office position, or in a medical/doctor's office, etc. but they support their daughter living in the 'jungle' with unstable services, danger about them and disease all around (zika, bugs, etc). They are weird people.

Daddysgirl said...

Reports starting to come through now that jinger is pregnant.

Aunt Bea said...

It's obvious that Cindy and Jim Bob don't like each other. Why he allowed Michelle to keep her friend from her 'sinful days', I don't understand. Perhaps some opinions are correct; that it's really Michelle who rules the roost and let's Jim Bob THINK he does.

Elspeth said...

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/jinger-duggar-pregnant-129410/photos/jinger-duggar-jeremy-vuolo-12-202781

I hope not.

Jenny said...

I think it's more than Jim Bob "disliking Cindy." I know hate is a very strong word but when Cindy took Michelle for the make-over when they returned to the Duggar compound if looks could kill Cindy would no longer be here. I believe that in Cindy's case she s one of those "friends" of the Duggars who seems to automatically show up on the scene when needed. She's a nurse for micro premie, Josie, she's a decorator for the house, she's the chief wedding planner for Jinger's wedding. Whatever is needed that's what she becomes. Nobody knows anything about her life. Is she married? Does she have children? All we know is she was a cheer-leader with Michelle when they both attended public school. We do know she is someone who Jim Bob feels is a very bad influence on Michelle. We should all have someone in our lives who can fill all those roles at a moments notice.

Cat said...

Have they ever said how long Derrick worked for walmart? Seems so strange that a kid who was brought up normal with real college, a bachelor's degree and someone who experienced real life would give up his normal life for this? Obviously he wanted to work a real job,what is the big attraction?

Meme said...

Heart in Florida: Like you, I MUST stop thinking about this family! (I haven't even watched the last several episodes). Anyway, you are so right about Derick. Have ya'll noticed that people seem to deteriorate when they're around the Duggars? Look at Derick's pitiful state. Ben is stuck and stagnant and refuses to grow up, and Anna is a wreck. Jeremy seems okay at the moment. Maybe because he continued his life in Laredo?

Of course, the Duggars are all a mess. Josh is always in trouble, Jana & Jill are depressed, Jinger is too clingy, Joy is unsure and Jessa is narcissistic. If Jim Bob is surveying his kingdom, what is he seeing? A bunch of unemployed, troubled offspring is what I see. Daddy wears rose-colored glasses, I guess. Mama can't see through the mass of hair.

PatK said...

If Jinger is pregnant, my only question is: What took her so long?

Daisy said...

Re the reports of jinger being pregnant at the recent trip to the Ark in kentucky she did not look pregnant.
Jinger has a very tiny frame and if she was 'well into her second trimester' as the report states I think she would have an unmistakeable bump. The 'bump" in the Ark pictures looked more like a shirt bump to me. Also consider the source. Hope i'm not wrong was holding out hope Jeremy would be a bit more progressive in his thinking, but maybe not.

Aunt Bea said...

Jenny: Don't forget aht Cindy is also a workout coach. Remember when she was instructing Michelle during their workout together and Michelle wore that silly knee length flowing skirt over leggings to work out? Cindy has remained slender, stylish and modern looking. She dresses in a classic style and doesn't show "too much". It can be done with style. Something that still eludes Michelle.
I, too, would like to know just who is Cindy and what does she do, REALLY, for a living? Is she married and does she have any children? Is she always referred to as just "Cindy"? Does she have a real name?

Aunt Bea said...

Cat: Derick landed the WalMart job when he returned from Nepal, I think about March or April of the year they married. Jill conceived almost immediately and he left his job shortly after Israel was born, just at the time that Joshgate Scandal 1 hit the news. He didn't work for WalMart for very long. He also was absent from his desk quite a bit for filming and traveling with his in-laws. I'm sure that went over well with his co-workers, but made the lucky person who replaced him very happy.

Mickey2942 said...

I wonder how much longer the show, "Counting On" can last....even die hard Duggar fans must be bored..
Courtship, marriage, pregnancy, babies,repeat.

Boredom. Once in awhile they do something like, build a treehouse, yawn. The most intriguing character, Josh, with his court case dramas, is banned from the show, "He Who Must Not Be Named".

How much longer can JB, support the brood, and their families? They must be accustomed to worn out clothes, and canned food.

Daisy said...

So Michelle has one school friend Cindy that she still has contact with, but I'm curious about JimBob, have you ever heard from anyone he was friends with at school that he keeps in touch with? Has anyone ever commented on knowing him as a teen, what was he like as a student, was he into sports? It would be intetesting to hear from someone who knew him 'back in the day' it might highlight something that made him turn out the way he has.

Heart in Florida said...

Daisy: Surprisingly, no. We have never heard from anyone in their town OR from anyone who knew Jim Bob as a kid. I have found that very strange. Michelle has commented on HERSELF in school as being centered on looking better than the other girls, wanting attention from others and had a regular social life; roller skating, yogurt shops, mall shopping etc.. We know nothing about young Jim Bob. Would love to hear if his upbringing was against listening to pop music, no dancing, etc. We all know they dated regular style, so there WAS a regular life built in there somewhere.

Jenny said...

Re: Aunt Bea's comment about Cindy being a workout coach. How could I have forgotten that? Boy I just have to get me one of those all around friends who can do anything at anytime! Do you think the Duggars keep a book that says on the cover, "Friends who can & will do anything at anytime for free?" I'd like more information on her personal life too, other than that she was Michelle's best friend & a cheerleader.

betsy said...

It's ridiculous that Jessa is giving out advice on what to look for in a husband. She is living with an unemployed boy who has fathered two children. There is nothing more to say about Ben other then he must sit around a lot in the house, while wearing a hat, occasionally posts a know it all about religion and once even instructions on how to take a walk and lives in a little house provided by his father in law. I guess, according to Jessa, Ben will not change which means get a job and become a real man.

Sasha said...

I feel Dillard is acting out against the Duggar family after they led him to a painful jaw & tooth surgery that has left him looking totally scary for life. He could also resent Jill being so uniformed and uneducated, unable to even care for her own home, having to enlist the help of little sisters who should be going to school, not doing adult chores such as washing and folding her & Dillards dirty underwear, etc. Could it be that Jill is one step away from a nervous breakdown after she births her 2nd child and is dragged back to CA with 2 children to look after with no help from Jana or little siblings? Could be only a matter of time til a tragedy strikes in that dangerous country....kidnapping or disease or Derrick becoming too weak to continue.

Carla said...

Jessa certainly much like Jimbob, egotistical to a fault, thinking she knows it all. In reality she's an uneducated girl who has had 2 kids by guy who does not work and shows no ambition to be anything but maybe a Christian rapper but we saw how far that went!! What will become of their 2 boys...no school, no sports, no friends, no Sunday school? She will be popping out #3 in 2018. Then Jimbob will have to give them a larger house. 3 kids in a tiny room....oh and all the adopted children they plan on .... each need their own room and daddy needs a job. Lalalalal Land.

Grandma Wagner said...

An interesting reality show would be "Anna & Josh, Moving On" showing how they interact now that he's a proven cheater and porno addict with law suits pending. Does Anna still stare at him with adoring eyes as he speaks about Christian values? Where are they living, how is he earning money, where is she going to give birth this 5th time around. how does she manage to keep house, home school, care for a new baby and be available to Josh 24/7 so he does not stray...many questions to be answered.

Vilente said...

Jill must miss being with her sisters & mom, going to Chikfillet, shopping in thrift stores, etc. What does she do all day in CA, pregnant without prenatal care? OOOps forgot Jill gives out prenatal care as a certified midwife. If she had any sense, she would not advise a pregnant woman, who had a difficult labor and c section, to go live in the jungle. I though airlines did not allow women who are in advanced stages of pregnancy to fly? Whats going on with their idea of returning to Arkansas for the birth? How can she?

Heart in Florida said...

It's uncanny to me that just when the Duggar family is at a point in a project that they can't seem to follow through on as amateurs, (and that's most of what they do) a 'friend' who is a professional always seem to show up and offers to help for free. If that were to happen every day in 'real life' we would never have to hire anyone to fix anything or do anything around our houses, would we. That 'miraculous friend' would just seem to pop up and do it all for us. These people still just don't add up to me.

Daisy said...

Sasha I think there is something very 'off' with Derick can't put my finger on it but it isn't good. He strikes me as the sort of man who would criticize and put Jill down for every little thing behind closed doors,and being the compliant little fundie raised wife she is she would just have to smile and take it. Perhaps that is why she always seems so on edge? I know Dericks mom is very religious but his brother was only saved two years ago because his wife congratulated him on his spiritual anniversary on instagram a few weeks ago (I hate myself for knowing so much crap about these loosers as I do). How did Derick end up living the life he is living now, assimilated into the Duggar hive, living as a fake missionary, face changing surgery and dependant on his father in law for roof and board when home in the US, and what do his family think of the changes in him?

Pixie said...

And yet their fans claim they are all so skilled that they can do anything, carpentry,dry wall,floristry and so the list goes on and on. I personally wouldn't pay them to change a lightbulb!

summer rays.. said...

Grandma Wagner, That would mean Josh realizing he did wrong and airing his 'mistakes' for all the world to see. Too real for reality for them.

Meme said...

Planet Duggar is so weird. All anyone does is court, marry, get pregnant and have babies like Mickey 2942 said. How do they do that? Maybe Michelle beat all of their natural impulses out of them during the blanket training days. And I guess Jim Bob really meant it when he said that he wanted all of the kids and grandkids to live close to him. Doesn't the man ever get tired of having to be the family banker? Okay, that was a stupid question...but it looks like he'd at least be tired of doling out money to the unemployed sons-in-law. What does he plan to do with them when the bank of TLC dries up?

We all come here and ask each other these same questions over & over because we cannot understand the parents' craziness. I mean, their captive son molested his captive sisters AND THEY WERE SURPRISED?!!

Wednesday said...

Something is off with Derick now. I was looking at pics of him when we were originally introduced to him, and he still had that fundie innocence, but he had some intelligence in his eyes. Looking at him now it appears there aren't two brain cells left in his head. What happened to him? Something is plain wrong with that boy. What could have happened to him to make him lose himself in such a way?

As far as Ben. Where to start? When we were introduced to him Jessa kept calling him her "Man" as if to get us past the point of focusing on his age. But although he is now a dad and a wanna be musician and preacher....he is nothing. He still isn't a "man". He is simply on a ride with Jessa at the wheel.

Jeremy is calculated, and there is something about him that kind of scares me. But he is aloof right now, waiting in the wings for his 10 minutes of fame.

Heather D said...

Wednesday, I hate to say it but Derrick scares me. When did that nice guy who worked at Walmart turn into this fake preacher/missionary. Who gives him the right to try to change
Catholics into the Gothard (or whatever the Duggars believe)? He should be respecting other religions..and that goes for unemployed Benboy too, posting against Catholics on the internet. I'm weary of the Duggars, every one of them including Jana & Anna who can leave if they want but they stay in their own emotionally abused lives.

Elspeth said...

What is worse than Derick and Ben trying to get people to change religions. They are trying to get people to change denominations. These people are all Christians. They are just trying to get them to swap types. It's called poaching.

Daisy said...

Heather D im not sure Derick has ever been a nice guy. I think he had a game plan right from the start. Who would contact Jim Bob Duggar asking him to be their prayer partner(unless you were another fundie)which Derick did while in Nepal. I don't think it would have mattered which daughter was offered up but it was Jill JimBobs golden girl. He played Jim Bobs game and won the jackpot. I think he wants everyone to see him as this great missionary but his game has been rumbled and even the fans are not happy with this asking for and misusing donations.

Meme said...

Daisy (or anyone who knows): Was Derick a fundie? I always assumed he wasn't due to his mom's appearance - short hair, pants, etc.

dinda said...

It is my opinion that Derrick & Jeremy didn't care which sister they got as long as it was a Duggar girl who would give them instant fame and eventually fortune. Jeremy was down on his luck, not playing soccer for years so he maybe was hoping for Jana but got Jinger and that was fine with him. The crazy story about this worldly man being friends with Benboy is a joke. Jeremy probably planned this friendship to get into the Duggar circle. Also, I agree with what Daisy said about Derick's long range plan. Ben was given to Jessa before he knew what happened because Jessa was a bit more rebellious and Jimbob had to get her married up and knocked up quickly so he put Ben in the shed right on the property. What was his parents thinking to allow this??? Joy's marriage is arranged for the financial gain of both families, TLC story line and campground publicity. Poor Joy, stuck out there having babies and working like a slave under the control of not only her loving husband but his harsh dad. Also, how is Jill going to return home on a commercial airplane to have the baby when they do not allow women in advanced stages of pregnancy to fly?? I think Anna is in such trouble having a 5th child and forced to be sexually available to a perverted husband.
How can she take all this work and stress?

Heart in Florida said...

Elspeth: thank you, as I appreciate your posts very much. I had never heard of that term used to attempt to change one's denomination. How is that even worth it? We're all Christians; it's liking cake, who prefers chocolate cake, who prefers carrot cake? It's ALL CAKE! They should at least be converting pagans and/or atheists. If the is more information you have that is the truth here with the Duggars, please do tell. I'd like to know what's true about them, not speculation or just being wrong about them. Thanks...

Lizzie said...

Derick seemed a regular if somewhat more mission oriented than average Southern Baptist before he fell under the Duggar spell.

123 said...

Derick is an enigma. Either he is quietly rebelling against J boob by staying just out of his reach down there in CA or he has ingested the kool aid and is basking in clingy Jilly muffin's availability. Either way, he is enjoying not working, just like all the other duggar men (by birth or marriage). I think that they perceive their brand of christianity to be superior to everyone else's and therefore in their minds they have a right to not have a job outside in the "world".

Jodie said...

Just watched the latest Bates show. The parents are visiting Australia and 5 of the youngest boys are sent to Chicago to stay with Michael and Brandon. The 5 guests sleep in a tiny living room of their 1 bedroom apartment. 1 bathroom, very crowded.....I can see having 2 guests but not five. I did enjoy watching her set the rules and make them tow the line in her household or should I say his.....meanwhile back at home in Tennessee, all of the kidults are there with no little ones in sight.....hum.....must have sent the little girls to another married couple. Interesting how they live. Plenty of money and travel and stuff....

Opie said...

Derick realized early in his marriage to clingy, needy, immature Jill that going to work was not working. When Joshgate broke, they ran and began their careers as beggars. Now they are so lazy and profiting from TLC, I imagine this amateur hour mission of theirs will always be their calling. They sure look miserable and unhappy to me. Perhaps God should call them home to a job at Walmart. At least they could get an 8 hour a day break from each other. I think Jill can force herself to be away from him now.

Bird said...

I cant wait for the next scandal, wonder what it will be...

sandi said...

Derick and Jill's poaching in CA is scary,imo,as the women there have been told to put off having children for a couple of years,due to zika virus.Derick and Jill's version would be to shun all birth control.
As for clothing,I imagine the ppl there are so poor,they wear whatever they have,and I doubt it's always long skirts and pants.
On the homeschooling front,the folks there would likely not be able to visit the US and get a 'shot in the arm' as Kelly Bates calls it,from the homeschooling conferences,nor would they be able to afford the ATI materials and membership.
It appears the children in CA do have some form of public schooling,so I hope they continue that,as they will benefit from all the education they can get.
When you consider all these factors,it boggles the mind as to why Jill and Derick are even there in the first place.
JMO

Aunt Bea said...

Opie, Derick, who is an educated college degree holding man, should have explained to Jill that going to work, 9-5, IS what the overwhelming majority of people do to support themselves and their families. Why this simple concept evaded him, I'll never know. There was no reason for him to 'cave' as he did and make such a drastic change in the structure of their lives. He bolted out of the country with a newborn, a wife who was not recovered from a traumatic birth, and himself, who just had major jaw/facial surgery. Still doesn't add up to me why they did what they did at that time and CONTINUE to do so. I guess Derick dried up his welcome at Walmart and can't be re-hired.

Another Nurse said...

Well it's that time again,I need to renew my nursing license. I see that at least in my state, I am now required to take a course on Zika Virus. The very first sentence I am reading states: "ZIKA is transmitted by the bite of an infected mosquito." Now I have to wonder what are the chances that there are infected mosquitos in CA?

Jenny said...

Re: Comments about Michelle's friend Cindy. Did anyone really believe Jim Bob that time he said that Michelle & Cindy, have remained so close that they talk on the phone everyday? If that's true I've got news for Michelle, that time should be put to a better cause such as schooling her children. Remember Michelle, you still have a number of uneducated young children in that house.

Always said...

re: dinda's comments about Jill being able to fly on a commercial plane. My son works for a well known commercial airline & believe me "if" they are aware of a woman passenger who is in advanced stages of her pregnancy, she definitely won't be allowed to fly. Usually a woman will have a note from her Dr. stating how far along in her pregnancy she is & that the Dr. feels it's' safe or her to fly. However it's still up to the airline depending on the length of the flight etc.They have had incidents where a woman doesn't show & boards the plane & they have an emergency on board. With Jill it's unsafe & foolish to consider a flight in advanced stages of her pregnancy. We know the Duggars have always played fast & loose with their health & safety, as well as their child's well being. It's selfish to take these chances, as well as to possibly inconvenience other passengers. Nothing worse than an emergency landing that keeps a serviceperson from a visit home or someone who is trying to get to see a sick loved one. We don't even know what kind of prenatal care if any, Jill has had. Will she really know how large her baby is or if the baby is transverse, which is what I think happened with Izzy. I have always wondered if Anna's long agonizing labor with Michael was because of his size, the size of his head or was he in the transverse position & finally turned so she could eventually deliver him? As we know, with her first pregnancy, she started to have prenatal care with Dr. Sarver but when labor started Dr. Sarver was out of town & they couldn't have a male Dr. although Michelle has had male Dr's in emergency situations. We never knew what type of prenatal care Anna did or did not have with Michael. So did she know how big her baby might be or the position? You never get the real answer from the Duggars.
I also agree with dinda that although it's a terrible way to speak about anyone, especially when other times you refer to them as "blessings" but those girls were "given" to these men, when Jim Bob decided it was necessary, either to keep the show going or to get the spotlight off of Josh & his scandals. They were definitely auctioned off for these marriages.
I don't have the Duggar's money, I can't travel the world as they do, I don't have a fan base but I chose my husband, had the number of children I wanted & they are college educated & work for a living. I attend the church I want to attend & I try to be a good friend & neighbor. I'm proud & happy with the life I lead & I don't need Jill & Derick to tell me what is right & what is wrong. I learned that from my own parents.

Dusty said...

Re: Jill & Derrick: First of all, did either get tested for the Zika virus having lived in the jungle and now pregnant?. Some mild cases go by unnoticed yet can effect a fetus. Why are the Dillards not posting pics of their projects in CA? Weren't they going to give food to children of various villages? Those who donate deserve to see their money at work. Does this couple really trudge through the jungle to bring food to children every week? That sure would make for interesting pics......Jill, pregnant, lugging food through the steamy buggy jungle, wearing her long skirt & flip flops. Even in a jeep, this would be an arduous journey for her & also Derrick as he looks WEAK, like he needs a good meal himself. Jill spoke of the danger, all shaky and afraid hiding in a bathroom because of a loud noise. How can she risk a home invasion & kidnapping, especially pregnant and with Izzy? Missionaries have been taken hostage and forced to live in the jungle for years, at the mercy of their captors so this is a very stupid chance Derrick is taking with his family. Suppose Jill goes into premature labor, starts bleeding, needs an emergency C section and preemie care for the baby. These things happen, some happened to Jill, Jessa & Michelle. Is there a medical facility near the Dillard's top secret CA location? So many questions t are not addressed by the Dillards.

JenTru said...

I just thought of something...maybe they performed a frontal lobotomy during DerickDillard's "tooth and jaw" surgery? That would explain a lot. Plus the deterioration of his appearance might help keep him in the marriage with Jill, ie he couldn't do better?

Big kite said...

Not sure why people are so hard on Derick as compared to Ben? Derick at least is trying to have a job, although I do realize that he begs for money so that he doesn't need to challenge himself much or worry about satisfying an employer.

Ben, on the other hand, just does whatever odd jobs DimBob gives him and sits around collecting TLC money from Jessa the rest of the time.

Who do people think is the lazier between the two?

123 said...

Big Kite, Ben wins the prize for being the lazy dreamer; a useless excuse for a man. Last I saw of him he had spurgeon on his lap and was babbling baby talk wishing "cousin Israel Happ-py birth-day". Honestly, he sounded like Winnie the Pooh and it made me wonder if that really was the most exciting part of his day. Get a job, Ben!

Elspeth said...

Ben is allegedly attending Bible College online. I think it may be Moody Bible Institute.

Minnie said...

Tough choice between Derick and Ben. Online Bible college is not a productive use of your time and leads nowhere. Ben gets a point or two for bouncing his kid on his lap and Derick loses a point or two for playing missionary. I think it is a tie, they are both very sad losers. Jeremy may join them someday but for now he wins with his small home church in Laredo.

Big kite said...

Jinger is likely contributing more to her new household with TLC$ then Jeremy is from his salary from that small church.

I have no problem with Ben taking classes, but I'm doubting that they take much time, and he should be able to take classes and work at the same time. It's called sacrificing now to better oneself, while still supporting a family. Many of have done this.

Of course the Duggars don't seem to get the concept of being ready and prepared to raise children whose needs are met and who grow up exposed to the world and who are ready to think critically and ward of "evil" by making sound judgments and learning self control rather than screaming NIKE!

Katrina said...

Everyone of these husbands is living off of TLC. What will ever happen to the next generation of children, the grandchildren who will be home schooled by parents who never went to school, taught mostly bible verses by Michelle at the kitchen table. Who is teaching the youngest now since their tutor has married a convicted rapist?

Aunt Bea said...

IMO, as long as Jeremy remains far away from the Duggars and maintains his own life and church independent of Jim Bob Duggar, he'll be ok in my book. As soon as he "sells out" and moves to NW Arkansas OR has any dependency on his father-in-law, my opinion of Jeremy AND Jinger will change.

As far as Derick and Ben go, Derick has taken a huge downhill slide from where he was when he and Jill married. He had all he needed to remain independent of JB AND the donations of others. Ben, well, he is still a kid, won't grow up until he gets out from under Jim Bob's "skirts" and supports himself and his own family IN HIS OWN HOUSE that isn't owned by a family member. I agree, he needs to ATTEND a real college or trade school, and work independently. He is still a kid and should still have the energy to work and go to school for whatever it is that he's aspiring to be. Jessa, well, she's just dead weight around his neck. Her only contribution to her household is the TLC pay check...and that won't last forever.

Heart in Florida said...

I find it curious that Cathy, Israel's grandmother says that she will see that Israel received a good education....how is she going to do that? All arrows point in the direction of Jill homeschooling her children and we all know what a poor start that would be for them. Also, Israel lives part time in Central America, visits both places and doesn't have a solid foundation of a home, so he CAN'T attend real school without a permanent address. Ms. Cathy has her head up in the clouds if she thinks she'll have a 3rd generation Pistol Pete....he'll never be accepted NOR would a real university be acceptable to Jill and her family. Doesn't add up.

Hello said...

The Duggars are going to be in for a rude awakening when the paychecks eventually stop coming in from TLC.
Derick went from having a real job to begging for donations to go on "missionary" trips with his family. Jillymuffin comes across as very clingy and always has to have Derick near her. I guess it wasn't enough to take Derick to work, have lunch with him every day and then pick him up and have all night to spend with him. I would bet that none of the married couples have a night out with friends that doesn't include their spouse.
Ben is a man trapped in the mind of a young teenager. He has a wife, two kids and lives in a house owned by his father in law. Does he get a weekly allowance from Jboob? Jessablessa has been trained to obey her authority figure, but I have no doubt she wears the pants (skirt) in that family.
Jeremy has not bowed down to Jboob yet, but I would bet he will eventually be talked into opening a church in Arkansas at some point.
Josh is just a scumbag and Anna will never leave him as she is to obey her authority figure no matter what he does. I believe she has been made to believe that Josh's addiction to porn and cheating was all her fault. She must not have been available for him at all times.

Ridiculous said...

I don't understand why everything is Anna's fault. All this foolishness in this day & age about Josh being her authority figure. They both took the same vows. They both vowed to be faithful to each other. Now who broke the vows Anna or Josh? I think whoever breaks the vows, & in their case it was Josh. Vows that were taken in the church, administered by the minister, promising before God to be faithful to his beloved wife. That should free Anna from any obligation to remain with him let alone still have him as her authority figure. How can Jim Bob & Michelle stand behind Josh & put the blame on Anna? I don't care if blood is thicker than water, in my house I would definitely be siding with my daughter-in-law.

Nadia said...

Apparently Anna was not "cheerfully available" 100% of the time, maybe recovering from childbirth or heavily pregnant so in the eyes of the Duggar/Gothard religion, Anna was
the cause of Josh's cheating/porno/lying about identity on dating site. This is what she is made to believe, hence the quick 5th pregnancy. The poor girl just can't do enough to satisfy Josh. How will she deal with 5 small children, maintaining whatever house they have been put in, cooking, playing teacher, breast feeding, being sexually available 24/7.......oh wow......I'm tired just thinking of it all. Well, this is what she chose when she could have escaped and made a load of money on a tell all book and perhaps even an reality show "Anna on her Own".

Hello said...

Mullet has said that anyone can make their husband a sandwich, but only his wife can satisfy his physical needs. They must do so even if they don't want to or are heavily pregnant. The girls have been trained to believe this nonsense.
Anna most likely was trained the same way, so she has no choice but to submit to Josh. I can see her having baby after baby until she is no longer able to conceive. She wants to be just like Ma Duggar.

Mickey2942 said...

Let's just hope that Anna won't get depressed.

Emma said...

So no photographs of or congratulations to Tabitha Paine on her wedding from either the Duggars or Bates? The Duggars and Bates were both at the wedding, and as she was the Duggars live in tutor and is related to the Bates through marriage it seems this was allowed to slip under the radar, wonder why?

Willow said...

I just have one question: Why should Anna have to take the blame when Josh had "sinned" before she even knew him? I think Jim Bob and Michelle would be the answer. Therefore, THEY should be taking the blame for Anna too. Just my opinion.

Meme said...

Have we forgotten what a nightmare Anna's father is/was? He makes Jim Bob Duggar look like a feminist. What I remember about his role in Anna's wedding is how determined he was to tell everyone (over and over) that Anna was now under Josh's "headship," or whatever the crap they call it. This is how Anna was raised. Since then she has been on a mission to become Little Michelle. She was blissfully happy. She had a husband, children and a house of her own, like a 1950s sitcom. Only problem is that her husband didn't want the same things. He preferred trolling the strip clubs of NW Arkansas to helping Anna name the next new baby. If you look at earlier pics of them, Anna is almost always pregnant, with a hand caressing her "tummy." I am not surprised that she is pregnant. I am not surprised that she is staying with Josh. To do anything else is completely, literally unimaginable to her. Anna "chose" to marry Josh in spite of his disturbing past, as well. In other words, Daddy said she should marry Josh Duggar and Anna said, "k." There were no decisions to make, ever. She will always do as she is told. This is a cult, remember? The only decision Anna will make today is what she's going to cook for Josh's dinner.

Wednesday said...

I was thinking about the whole "anyone can make their husband a sandwich" routine. If these males really think about this, being joyfully available even if your "big pregnant" or sick basically equates out to pity sex. Does it really stroke a guys ego to think that their wife is faking it just so that he doesn't uncontrollably run out and find another sandwich maker? Maybe it's just me, but I wouldn't want that kind of deceit in my marriage.

Pixie said...

Wednesday iv'e always thought this too. Michelle saying that you are the only one who could satisfy ur husbands special need was (especially as far as smug mug was concerned) a total crock, whats to stop any maxn going out and cheating if he doesn' truely love and respect his wife. Guess Anna doesn't make very good sandwiches.

KitKath said...

Ugh, I feel the same way about Ben. What in the world does he think gives him the authority and knowledge to make those stupid videos? I can't stand him. I can't stand ANY of them.

I remarked a few months ago that anyone who wants to be with a Duggar must also want to be famous; they know they'll be on the show. I mean, only a narcissist would actually WANT that kind of attention and lack of privacy. Therefore, the creepy behavior of the husbands isn't surprising. Jeremy may be the shadiest yet--it's obvious he wants to be an evangelical TV preacher. Bizarre-O World.

Boob and Chelle really are sick for putting the poor little kids on TV as soon as they were born, literally. How damaging is that??! Sick.

KitKath said...

WHAT is GOING ON with his MOUTH?? And WHY do they never address the elephant in the room? We all want to hear it--what is going on? He was totally decent looking before, and Boob made him get his teeth fixed. Doesn't he need to come back to the states for orthodontia work every month? I just don't get it with these people...

Sandy H. said...

Poor Anna. I feel she tries so hard to please Josh but she cannot give him the thrill of a secret meeting with a new woman. So she has baby after baby, is as adoring as possible but that is not what he is after. So....he will find a way to stray again. Josh needs a 24 hour accountability partner.

Heart in Florida said...

Did Michelle EVER STATE the a husband should also be 'joyfully available' to his wife in return? There must be a flip side to that if husband and wife are different, but EQUAL in their system. It's just not sex that she should be referring to, but when a spouse needs to talk.

Just Me said...

Re:Heart in Florida's comment about the husband being "joyfully available." I agree & that could be helping out with the household chores & childcare!

laura said...

There is more to marriage than sex. Why is that all they think matters? What does HE contribute? His uneducated, narcissistic, lazy, controlling self who is so selfish and self absorbed he insists on sex with a tired, heavily pregnant spacecase? What a catch, ladies.

Jennifer said...

Anyone see Ginger wearing pants again!! Today they went to Chip and Joanna's Magnolia market and she is in pants again!
Yay! We might have a semi rebel..
Look on jessa fb page the bottom picture

Aimee said...

Jessa has posted pictures of her at Magnolia (Chip and Joanna Gaines' Family Business) Things I noticed:
- Jana is there! Free from the TTH for once! No JimBob or Michelle breathing down her neck but on what seems to be a girls trip with her sisters and friends.
- And Ben is there, of course. Don't he and Jessa ever get tired of being together all.the.time?!
- Jinger has on pants. And a short, normal shirt over them. In one picture she does have a longer jacket but there is one with just the tshirt and pants. I was a bit surprised with the shorts picture last month but even more so that she has the pants on with Jessa. Maybe she is testing the waters to see what the rest of the family will say or think...

Marites H. said...

Of course, Jana is there! Somebody responsible and mature has to help with the "kiddos". Jinger looks good in pants. I hope she realizes she's not going to burn in hell for such a simple (yet drastic) wardrobe change.

Emma said...

Just looking at all the new photos of Jinger in skinny jeans. She looks really good and best part is she has a flat washboard tum, no baby bump there. The first photos I looked at were on Jessas fb and the only pic of Jinger she is standing sideways and wearing a jacket, there are a number of comments saying 'hiding a baby bump?'it makes me so mad that all people seem to want for these girls is baby after baby,they practically salivate at the thought of another duggar pregnancy. I hope Jinger really does break the mould (and not just by wearing pants) and waits as long as SHE wants before having kids.

123 said...

Aimee, Ben and Jessa have a co-dependent relationship, princess jessa needs someone around to do her bidding and ben boy needs his mommy to tell him what to do. Ben clearly does not have a job. He lives a life of leisure.

My2Cents said...

I think she now wears pants and shorts because her new headship likes it and allows it.

Aunt Bea said...

Who is taking care of Sierra's children on this "girls trip" and why is Ben there? So, it was a 5 HOUR DRIVE for the Vuolos? Absent again from his church? Jeremy, what are you doing? .....Unless they were shopping for contents for his new church in NW Arkansas. No real need to go to the Gaines' place.

Jenny said...

Re:KitKath's comment's on Derick's jaw & teeth surgery. Well one things for sure they really screwed it up. I'm not so sure it's a problem that can be fixed by frequent trips to an orthodontist. Do you think the procedure was done by one of those friends of the Duggars who is an expert in whatever field they need help with & of course that would definitely be pro-bono. Look at these movie stars that have had terrible outcomes with their plastic surgery & yet they continue to get more & more done. Of course, that doesn't explain why Derick goes around looking like he himself lives in a hut in the jungle. Something definitely went wrong with whatever surgery he had. It's his own fault as an educated man he chose to listened to Jim Bob who doesn't have a brain in his head. I think he went through an extremely long & painful procedure that ruined his looks & they are ruined for good unless someone wants to open their wallet & get a professional that knows what they are doing to fix the mess that he's been left with.If that's even a possibility. I agree with all the others that have said there was nothing wrong with his looks to start with, except what good ole Jim Bob saw & apparently he was the only one that saw a problem that required a long, painful procedure which failed in the end.

Willow said...

Well. Where to start? First off, Sierra and Kristen Young made it sound on their instagrams that there was a secret destination. Their husbands apparently took care of their respective children. Now I see they met up with the "Duggar" family et al. I was not surprised. I wondered how they were able to get away without their hubbies for a "road trip". Not somethings fundies usually do. O.K., then there is Ben. Must have a man to supervise and account for the women. Could he not stay home with the kids like the other husbands? Its ridiculous. Its either a ladies' day out or it isn't. Next, that Laura girl is there AGAIN. Its starting to look weird. I suspect she is either secretly dating John David or she is the new nanny/tutor, taking Tabitha's place. Yes, it was nice to see Jinger in pants. Nice to know she and Jeremy can choose their own path and still associate with the siblings. Where is Jeremy by the way? Curious if he came along or did the Duggar entourage pick Jinger up? I am only looking at a map in my mind, but I think it would be pretty far out of the way from NW Arkansas to Waco. I could be wrong though. Lastly, I just want to say I predict they are filming this for next season. Nothing wrong with that and I hope Jana is picking up design ideas for "her" new store/business. I just don't think that would be allowed unless there was filming involved, don't you? Sorry this was so long, but venting is so great. lol.

Wednesday said...

Is there any evidence that it was Jim Bob that had DerrickDillard get his teeth fixed? Sometimes people just make mistakes with procedures they think they need.

Emma said...

Jeremy was there too, looking like an eejit with the backwards turned baseball cap. I think Ben went along because hes too immature to be left on his own.

Aunt Bea said...

Jessa had to take Henry with her as she is still nursing...so, Ben needed to come as he had to help babysit the kids for Jessa. That Laura girl in Kendra's sister, isn't she? I think she would be too young to tutor the Duggar kids as she would still be in homeschool herself. Maybe Kendra went along and needed her chaperone. These young women can't be without someone from their own home watching them. I don't think she's dating John David. He's about 11-12 years older than she is.
I think it's a TLC cross over trip with Fixer Upper; it's a working trip for them. Jinger and Jeremy drove 5 hours to be included in the episode for the TLC paycheck. It's much more than he gets being a pastor to 50 people, you know.
So glad Jinger wore pants. I hope her taste in clothing, colors and fit improves as time goes by. She should take her mother in law and sister in law with her to teach her how to shop and match colors. Now, a new hairdo for her and some real nifty grown up shoes. She'd be a knockout.

Kay said...

I think Jim Bob hauled Derick there to get his dental work done but who knows if Walmart insurance paid for it or if JimBob promised the doctor free publicity for the work.

Kay said...

Jinger looked so cute in those jeans. She is really a tiny little thing.

She is really the lucky one of the girls because she wouldn't have ever had a chance to discuss with her fiancé what was expected of her because ol big ears Jim Bob was always listening in.

I hope Jinger has a wonderful time and others decide that is what they want for themselves.

Kay said...

There is Sierra the mother of 5, off galavanting with the Duggars in Waco while her adorable kids are again left behind. If a camera is rolling she is going to do her best to get her mug on there to get a paycheck.

And she brags she is a stay at home mom.

I hope she isn't in Waco bugging out her eyes as she inserts herself into the conversation to tell Joanna Gaines about her latest tacky idea.

coleen said...

Re: Ben's tagalong on the girls' trip to TX -

I think Ben would be lost without Jessa. He could've taken the boys and visted his parents or grandparents while Jessa went to TX.

Emma said...

Jessa and Benny are hitting the talk circuit again. Ben is in a line up in Texas and Jessa is giving a talk on modesty in Ohio in June. Jessas talk does not permit entry to men or girls under nine. What exactly will she teach these young girls who will pay to hang on a duggars every word, how to dress the duggar way? Most of them have no idea about fashion or style and their whole reason for modesty is so not to defraud fundie men who cannot control their lust at the sight of a knee. This is a very dangerous message to teach young impressionable girls imo.Jessa herself cannot claim to be a modest dresser,we have all seen the skin tight stretched to bursting point t-shirts she wears when pregnant, they leave very little to the imagination. Who in their right minds invites them to talk, and more baffling who pays to listen?

Mary said...

do they sleep in those clothes. Maybe they have no iron

Mary said...

Hi Oh Jana was there to babysit and clean up

Mickey2942 said...

Agreed. Duggar "Modesty" went out the door, with Jessa wearing a tight shirt when she was pregnant, so tight her belly button was front and center. Along with the bust.

As for Jinger wearing pants, I guess her man in charge of her wants her to look more modern, and another sign that he is not toeing the "Duggar" line.

Horrors, what if Jinger is not pregnant within 6 weeks of marriage?!

Stephanie said...

I think Jimbob offered up Jill because Jill maybe considered the lesser beauty of the four big girls and we all know that Jimbob thinks Derick is ugly because he said as much in Nepal when he and Jill were shopping.

Ben persuaded Jessa from the TV show. Ben was good looking enough for Jessa (the big featured beauty) and he could only object based on age, career, and Money. But it worked out in Jimbobs favor because that's exactly how he controls Ben. Plus Bens dad believes that 18 year olds should be treated like 30 year olds. Remember he said that society treats college age kids like they are 15? It's in one of his blogs. The Seewalds encouraged that courtship, warehouse living, marriage, TV and kids. You notice they have not been seen on the TV show since the scandal. Who's decision was that? Them or Manager Jimbob?

Stephanie said...

It might just be all the hardware in his mouth but he also has a really bad lisp or something, I'm not sure if that's the right word but his speech sounds really bad

laura said...

So glad to see jinger doesn't seem to be pregnant. She MAY be of course. Just not showing.
Anyone notice all quiet on the Amy duggar front? After she and her husband made total fools out of themselves on The hideous 'reality' show marriage boot camp or whatever and airing her sad story for all to see. How embarrassing to do that to yourself.
Wonder if Jana was SENT on purpose after her saying how left out she felt next to the married couples and the littles ones. That she essentially wasn't welcome or something because she wasn't married. Is her being there damage control or was she really allowed to go because she wanted?
Also how did jinger get to waco?
Pretty sure she did not drive 5 hours by herself. A sure ticket to heck exposing herself to the world like that.

Emma said...

Call me crazy but I am so glad I am not the only one who loves the thought of Jeremy pissing JB off. There is def a subtle power struggle going on there, and JB won't win. Jeremy is younger, more attractive and has an education, something in itself i'm sure bugs the hell out of JB and now Jinger is attracting headlines for wearing pants of all things. Im sure JBs got steam coming out of his ears sat in his prayer closet.

Emma said...

Aunt Bea Kendras sister is called Lauren and this girl is not her. I cannot remember her surname but she is often seen out with Jessa, Sierra et al. There have been some rumors that she is courting one of the older duggar boys poss JD but nothing has been confirmed or denied by either party. She seems to 'lively' to be saddled to a duggar jmo.

Molly said...

If the girls, and family, don't watch TV, how do they even know who Chip and Joanna are and how do they know about Fixer Upper? What would be the draw to drive all the way to Waco to visit a place that you apparently don't know anything about (because you don't watch TV). I'm sure there are plently of farms and antique places closer to home.

Emma said...

Laura Jinger wasn't on her own Jeremy was there too. On the pickles page there were lots of pictures one of the girls and bin outside a bakery shows a stroller off to the side (presuming its Hanks) and you can clearly see an airline flight tag so they must have flown in? Im not from the US so wouldn't know how far would Waco Tx be from the Duggars home in Arkansas? Regarding Jana being there you could be correct in your thinking of damage limitation but I just want to think she was invited to enjoy herself I feel so sorry for her sometimes.

Willow said...

Laura D. is the girl with the Duggars et al in Waco. She has been a friend for years. She used to work for IBLP, ATI, whatever, the headquarters in some capacity. I think she may have lost that job in the shake up but I don't know that for certain. She has been seen with the Duggar family a lot more than she used to. I think even more since Tabitha left. She is definitely a long-time good friend of Jana. She is not related to Kendra Caldwell. Kendra is the oldest in her family and Laura D. is about 30 years old if I am not mistaken. I mentioned JD only as a guess, as he is the oldest Duggar male that is single. He is, however, 4-5 (or more) years younger than Laura, so it seems unlikely. Lots of men marry older women, however, i.e. Ben Seewald. LOL!! As for the Duggars knowing Chip and Joanna: I doubt they know them personally but the guesses would be that it was a TL/HGTV cross over as someone else suggested but a
nother guess could be they got the idea from their friend Joe who owns that furniture store. Sierra's husband works for Joe and I saw pictures of Joe with Chip and Joanna a couple of years ago from the big furniture show in North Carolina. There could be some sort of casual connection there, although, like I said, I doubt they really knew them as they did not take any pictures with them. I definitely think it was for filming though and maybe we will see a Gaines show up on the show next season. I doubt that either, though. The other poster made a good point about the Duggars supposedly not watching TV so how would they know about the show? Maybe magazines? It is always so curious.

Taylor said...

Jessa's instagram has a video of her watching Fixer Upper on her laptop. She said she is addicted. (I imagine she had never heard about it until Sierra dreamed up a plan to get a free trip and be in an episode...you know because she popped out 5 kids and now has to br creative in figuring out what she can do next to be as she likes to brag " a stay at home mom"....yet she doesn't like to stay at home....she wants to hang out at the Duggars while her littles are at home.

dinda said...

What in the world would Ben have to say to an audience? He has no experience in anything other them making Jessa pregnant and a TLC arranged meeting with a religious rapper. Years ago he
repaired car windshields but I doubt that is an interesting subject. He hardly speaks, sits around doing nothing but sometimes pontificates on the internet as to how others should live. As far as Jessa goes about modesty, I was appalled at her skin tight pregnancy outfits showing her belly button indentation. Thrift stores have nice roomy blouses to buy, like Mullet wears all the time. Her skirts are getting shorter as shown in those recent Texas photos.

opal said...

I'm sure Jessa & Ben have a forbidden tv in their bedroom. Duggars are such hypocrites, making their fortune off of a television show but thinking it is too sinful to watch, fearful that the children might see the real world and how other's go to school & play sports, etc.

Nancy said...

Of course Jeremy took Jinger to the Waco. I think Jeremy is getting a kick out of aggravating Jimbob by putting shorts and pants on Jinger, just to show who is boss. I wonder what Jeremy has in mind, certainly can't simply be that church with about 20 members. They guy has a scheme lined up, ready to spring it on the public any day now. Jimbob lost control of Jinger and even Jill as she is dragged, pregnant and afraid, back to CA with a man who changed from a clean cut guy to a messy, scary looking person who refuses to work. Plus he lost control of his special boy Josh 10 years ago, though pushing him off on innocent Anna would cure his sex problem but we know how that turned out and probably is still turning out.

typesettergirl said...

Now that it was mentioned about Jeremy and his church, I'm thinking what a pastor being gone on Palm Sunday?!?! A week before Easter. I know the Catholics have services all week. Do other churches have the same? I have heard of Wednesday being another sort of Sunday, excuse my not knowing.

laura said...

Emma thank you for the clarification, I usually stay off the pickles page, do not like pickles responses to comments.
I hope jinger is happy, I'm sure Jeremy treats her mostly well, the few pics I've seen of them together, they seem really happy and he seems really into her, a child...... Weird... But whatever its their life...
Just hope he isn't ORDERING her to dress a certain way and is TELLING her its okay to dress however she wants.
HAHA dim bulb you can't control everything in your weird sad world hahahahahahaha

laura said...

Stephanie how many people actually think jessa is beautiful? Her features all are very large and her misplaced smugness and judgemental ignorance turns her ugly. I feel uncomfortable looking at her and want to smack that weird smile off her big face sometimes. The duggars are weird and they want everyone to think they are right and good and I'm sorry but every single thing about them that I think is not what they think about themselves.
Jinger seems to be the most free. We do not know what goes on behind closed doors.
FREE JANA.

lisa mcgingess said...

what made them go to waco all of the sudden if they do not watch tv? maybe jinger watches tv and told them about that place?

Taylor said...

I thought Sierra's husband had worked for Sam but someone said Sam died. lsn't Sierra's husband now an ordained minister?

coleen said...

Per " Molly said...
If the girls, and family, don't watch TV, how do they even know who Chip and Joanna are and how do they know about Fixer Upper? ...
4/14/2017 5:39 AM"

Jessa posted a pic of herself and one of her sons watching the show on her laptop.

Susie said...

Waco is Jerusalem on the Brazos. Plenty of Christian wing nuts there. The Duggars fit right in.

Dusty said...

The question is......will Jessa go to hell for watching Fixer Upper on her lpatop. Is watching tv shows on the internet permitted?? It's getting all so confusing. Is it considered tv if it is broadcast on the internet? all tv shows can be found on the internet. Are Jeremy & Jinger watching tv, especially sport games as Jeremy must be interested in? Oh, this Duggard/Gothard way of living is crazy confusing. Why can't the simply not lie and be more charitable if they call themselves God loving Christians?

Hannah K said...

What's up with Jessa & little boys watching tv on the laptop. I thought Jimbob was against such activity. As these girls slowly melt into the real world, wearing shorts, pants, watching tv......jimboob & Mullett are fading into the background. Isn't Jessa's juvenile "headship' Ben responsible for his wife's irresponsible behavior or is he sitting next to her, cuddling the boys and enjoying the show like a normal family would? Jimbob must be out of his mind upset, knowing that slowly but surely he is loosing control.

Arlene Carter said...

When Jinger gives birth, I know Jeremy will want her to have the safety and dignity of a hospital birth. Of all the girls, Jinger has lucked out, even if Jeremy's hope and dream is to move on to a tv evangelisy show,

Wednesday said...

Laura: Re Jessa. Thank you! I have never thought she was pretty. She has a very sharp chin and her facial features turn me off. Not to mention that she looks mean and smug. She has nice hair, especially if she did a cut/style.

Aunt Bea said...

I think Jessa and Ben have a lot of nerve watching ANY TV SHOW on the laptop and saying publicly that they don't watch TV...they're watching TV SHOWS, aren't they? Hypocrites they are. I think Jim Bob and Michelle also use that big screen TV in their bedroom for more than religious videos'. Perhaps years ago they didn't watch ANY entertainment on the computer OR tv but have slowly slid in that direction but are calling it by another 'name'..they're watching episodes of TV shows on their lap top....potato, potahto. Liars.

Frannie D. said...

The Duggars need to quit lying. Straight and simple. I didn't know J & M had a big tv in their bedroom!! Just for religious shows......sure!! Hypocrites, all of them.

Bridgitte Waldrop said...

I don't know where the "no TV" came from, I recall a few years back they mentioned watching shows like Andy Griffith. They just said no episodes about "lying" or "deceit"

Duggarsbegone said...

Being a Lutheran I, too, am used to services during Holy Week. I also know that many non-mainline churches do not have any services during that time, jumping right to Easter.

Captain Crunch said...

Re: Jinger wears pants and shorts:
GO JINGER GO!!! Maybe she will also wait on popping out a Vuolo, (as in practicing birth control), get a job that doesnt include being a midwife or nanny, (maybe photographer), go to a non-fundie or non-bible accredited college or trade school (maybe learn to be a bartender or dance instructer since drinking and dancing are forbidden in Duggarland). Oh the possibilities are endless! Im liking former wildchild Jeremy more and more!
GO JINGER GO!!!

Real World said...

I have no doubt that Jinger is simply following Jeremy's belief that dresses aren't mandatory. I knew he eventually would want her to look more modern and stylish. Jeremy clearly is into fashion and doesn't want his wife to look like she out of Little House on the Prairie. Just wait, soon he'll have Jinger to a hairstylist too. I just hope that Jinger is able to choose her own style of dress. And I predict that we will see Jessa dressing even more modern out of jealousy of Jinger.

Paige said...

Sierra is running things through Jessa and thus getting herself included in a paycheck by being front and center with her goofball ideas. Look at the episodes she has gotten in on.

They Duggars, being so sheltered, don't realize Sierra zooms all over Pinterest to find something that interests her and presents it to her bestie Jessa as a great
story idea.

I hope Joy and Kendra do not allow her to make their weddings look like a 7 year old planned it. Already did the tacky themes...need to move on or let someone else take handle it.

Mrs. Jensen said...

LOL Bridgitte..... Guess you don't need to watch tv to learn how to lie or deceive. The Duggars do that naturally.

Andi said...

Arlene I agree, I also hope he insists on total privacy. Unlike her sisters and poor Anna pushing out their babies on television for a dollar and fans adoration. Modest my ass.

Paula Reed said...

Fixer Upper must be an approved show. Check our Chip's Twitter, and its filled with Christian comments... and, remember a few months ago, right when Chip and Jo released their magazine, there was a big scandal because they belong to a church run by some pastor who believes that gays can be cured. This seems to fit in with the Duggar creed. Like, they wouldn't go visit Tarek and Christina from Flip Or Flop when they're out in LA.

Willow said...

Sam, of Sam's Furniture, is/was Joe's father. Sierra's husband did recently get "ordained" of some sort. I think he is still working for the furniture store, though. Some of the Duggars sang at Sam's funeral.

Wednesday said...

I, for one, don't trust any of the Duggar son in laws to be good people. They were approved by Jim Bob for a reason, and it isn't because they are moderate. I don't believe that Jeremy just rushed into a marriage to "save" Ginger from the Duggar craziness. He rushed into marriage to get something out of it. Ginger wearing pants and shorts, that look awful IMO, does not mean that Jeremy is a knight in shining armor who gave up his life to save a damsel in distress. Read some of the horrible dogma that he spreads. He is just as scary as any of them.

Grandma Wagner said...

All these Gothard type men seem to somehow get "ordained". They all want to be preachers...Ben, Jeremy, Derrick, Bates & even Jimbob with his at home church services preaching his version of how to live.

Aunt Bea said...

Yes, the Duggar family claimed to be so strict that once in a while, they allowed their children to watch The Andy Griffith Show, only if the episode didn't include showing Andy and Barney dating Helen and Thelma Lou. They kissed and cuddled before marriage, were alone in the same room without a chaperone and Helen and Thelma Lou had their own homes and lived alone without a headship.

Ruby Tuesday said...

I cannot imagine what these girls could have imagined life would be like since they are emotionally so young. One who is emotionally only 11, like Jill was would have been let down to see it wasn't going to be writing down your wishes and having good fairies give you the stuff you had on your bridal or baby registry.

They went from a life as ragamuffins to being paid by magazines to smile after having someone do their face and hair. It isn't reality. Their lives are all smoke and mirrors....and wasn't it nice that Sierra can come over to play and come up with stupid ideas that Dumb Bob thinks are episode worthy? Let's paint flamingos or lie about making a cake. shame on Sierra for lying about that. She is complicit.

Daisy said...

Regarding the duggars watching mainstream movies/tv, I remember when the family visited an aquarium ( I think) and Mackenzie freaked when some animal was brought out, Josh comments she had a "Jurassic Park" moment....not the type of movie they would EVER see with their beliefs---but then again I am talking about Josh.

Opie said...

They all want to be ministers because the gullible will look up to them. They love to hear themselves preach. It makes them feel powerful. Nothing new. Insecure, stupid men.

Opie said...

With the exception of Jinger of late, they still look like raggamuffins.....just bigger ones who ought to know better. And those boys....oh my... they could sure use a decent wardrobe. Clothes that fit. Good shoes. Dressy casual that belongs to him and only him....dream on boys.....it will never happen!

Fashion police said...

It wasn't long ago Sierra was posting pictures of what looked like an old half slip hanging down below her dress. However, if you look at the pictures from her trip (where Jinger wore pants)her skirt is now above her knees...and so is Jessa's.

Vilente said...

I am feeling Jeremy will be moving up and on from his little church soon. He can't be making any money with his 20 or so congregation. Maybe this sudden preacher job (that allows him so much travel time) was created to give him some credibility before he has his own tv ministry where the whole bunch of Duggars can appear with their words of wisdom and beg for money.

123 said...

Regarding the emotionally immature duggar women, I think Jinger is possibly the most child-like of all the adult women (aside from her mother). She seems so sheltered and stunted in her ability to do adult things on her own, make decisions, have a healthy adventurous attitude toward new food, new experiences, new places, etc. She appears to be afraid of everything and everybody. She has zero experience outside the Duggar compound. She has been cloistered in the Cult's compound all her life. Part of me feels sorry for her and part of me is annoyed at the whole Duggar family and all they represent. I am mostly just annoyed.

Sabrina W said...

Jimbob must be so angry that his girls are boldly showing their knees. Remember when Michelle had her knees blocked out of a photo years ago, as if knees are a wildly sexy private part?

Julie said...

Jeremy will get tired of trying to raise her. I just wanted to scream every time she opened her mouth to speak. Grow up Jinger! Quit acting like a baby.

saywhat said...

Yeah but on their own family website, they sure have no problem showing over and over those interviews with that chick who exposes part of her boob either through a keyhole in the middle or very low cut tops. Not that I am a prude, but it is what they say their standards are and they even claim to yell that stupid word if someone is dressed immodest to them. Is it okay because she isn't related and JB probably gets his thrill looking at her when browsing his own page? He probably tells Michelle, it is okay since we are being paid to do the interview. I find it so hypocritical that they blur Michelle's knees out but allow this girl to reveal a part of her breasts?!

Big kite said...

I agree that Jeremy, Derrick & Ben all want to be preachers because they think it will be easy money.

Katrina said...

I feel there is no way Jeremy would have chosen childlike Jinger to be his wife unless there was a bonus waiting for him, such as fame and fortune from association with Duggars. He's already earned much $$$$ from appearing on TLC and this is only the start of the TLC cash rolling in. He is Jinger's "headship"so aside from choosing her clothing, he handles her TLC income. But Little Jinger knows no different so it's okay in her world. Daddy to Jeremy....ruling her life. Once she dared to say she wanted to be a photographer and live in a city but that dream was squashed and she suddenly found herself "lovesick" with a man who she didn't even know but was chosen to be her husband.

Frannie D. said...

Knees....what is so bad about knees. They are not very attractive, just leg joints. What's up with showing knees? Anna must have shown her most6 private spot to the camera men as she painfully pushed out her babies but could not go to a male doctor. How hypocritical can this family be?.

Meme said...

It appears that there have been changes in Jinger...the heels, the shorts, the pants. Great to see, but I'm afraid that it was all Jeremy's idea, not hers. None of the Duggar daughters seem capable of independent thoughts or actions. (In fact, Josh Duggar is the only child who has ever tried stepping away from the group.) I wonder if the girls realize that they weren't married for any of the right reasons, that these guys were not ever "in love". Jillymuffin had an arranged marriage to a boy she had a crush on. Jessa didn't do any better. She got the immature boy who was sexually attracted to the daughter he thought was "the prettiest". Jinger didn't get to marry someone who found her attraction to hunting and all things camouflage charming. Nope, she got the young minister who's looking to make a name for himself. Sweet, naive, convenient Jinger.

Well, I'm guessing that all these boys are enjoying the fame, fortune...and the control. Gee, that description reminds me of someone else!

Estella said...

Jessas talk on modest dressing must not be attracting enough interest as the organizers have reduced the price already. The article I read said that the event was co sponsored by ATI which is the Gothard organisation the Duggars are part of. Think it just goes to prove that they are still up to their necks in this cult they try to pass off as a religion. The same article also said that her talk might get cancelled if so does Jessa still get paid? I'm sure as she has two small children and an unemployed husband to support in a 'modest' lifestyle (ahem) the money will come in handy and she won't need to leave the house.

Emma said...

So, having a lazy easter monday and decided to go for a nosey on my phone. With all the excitement over Jessas trip to the silos in Waco and all the photographs I looked at Kristens instagram. She seem like a nice normal young wife and mother. She graduated from college, dated and hugged her now hubby and wears shock horror shorts! The Jessa/sierra friendships must be fairly new as there are no photographs of them at her wedding or other girlie group shots. I know she is a christian but made me wonder exactly what would a nice normal young lady like this have in common with a Duggar to form such a quick BFF friendship in such a short space of time?

Just Me said...

Re:saywhat's comments about the Duggars not having a problem with interviews with the chick who exposes her boob. Many of us never got over the Duggars visit with Dolly Parton. I'd love to know how they explained to the younger kids the way Dolly was dressed, as well as all the pictures of her on the wall at Dollywood. It didn't seem like Jim Bob or Michelle had any problem with Dolly bursting out of her dress.
Supposedly all the kids knew about Dolly was that she give books to kids who don't have them. Perhaps she should give books to the Duggar kids. The Duggar kids didn't even know Dolly was a singer. Also nothing was said about Dolly's remark that her mom had 12 kids but then the Dr. told her mom that she couldn't have anymore, so she didn't. The Duggars acted like they were her best friends. Of course, they were staying in a beautiful cabin at Dollywood for a week all for free. The amount of food they all ate was enough to make Dollywood go broke. The one good thing about the trip to Dollywood was that Dolly adored Jordyn, & gave her so much attention. That was the first & last time she ever got that much attention.

Nadia said...

Not just all the Duggar girls married to a pastor but also Sierra is. I wonder about seminary.

I think being a pastor is wonderful and takes a special person. I also think it takes some special training so I am curious regarding where they go to school and how long it takes. Do they all go away to school?

LilBit0318 said...

Nadia: Nope. As far as I know, they have no education or qualifications whatsoever. They just declare themselves "pastors" and make it so. Completely baffling to me as one of those "evil Catholics" whose priests have to go through years of theology and seminary training!

Duggarsbegone said...

It is extremely easy these days to become ordained on any number of web sites as young as the age of thirteen. No schooling, no money spent. Want to be a "preacher"? Sign up and presto! You're a preacher. Pretty sad, isn't it? Just Google "get ordained online" and see what pops up.

Andrea said...

Agree wth Emma: Anonymous Emma said... (W)hat would a nice normal young lady like this have in common with a Duggar?

So baffling to me too. Where do these people come from to be friends with the Duggars? Is there some sort of screening process? Jim Bob has to gives his ok? Very odd. Also Jinger hustled up some friends with no apparent ties to the family as her Bridesmaids . . . were did they come from?

Andrea said...

Agree with the other commenters, Jinger is wearing pants and shorts because Jeremy says it ok. It just looks so bad because the Duggar's always claimed the girls choose to wear skirts all the time but we all know it was because it was what Gothard wanted. So weird. Also, so glad to see she's not pregnant!

As for the comments comparing Jeremy, Baby Ben and Dick Dillard, I think they're hilarious. Honestly, I think Jeremy's a catch, Jinger not so much. But it's not Jinger's fault her parents abused and neglected her. My hope is Jeremy has a nice mother to help Jinger and she can find a family with her in laws.

Aunt Bea said...

LilBit0318: Yes, you are correct and I agree with you. The Duggars and the like simply 'will themselves' pastors and 'POOF' they are pastors. There is no real, accredited, authorized education or training. Yes, Catholic priests not only graduate from accredited 4 year universities with degrees in theological courses, psychology, public speaking, etc, they then go on to post graduate studies in biblical text language and it's interpretation, advanced theology and spiritual studies. It takes a lot of studies and brains to be a priest and I'm sure there are other real religions in which their study and preparation and training is similar. This family's training and 'readiness' consists of a box-mix with 'add water and stir'.

laura said...

The only people who are paying to hear jessa blab about fashion, sorry I'm laughing right now, are like Stan's grandpa in south park episode 'cash for gold'.

Nadia said...

Isn't Jeremy's dad a pastor? I wonder if he went to seminary and if so, what does he think of their son marrying into this.

Elspeth said...

I'm internet ordained and it's legal in the state where we live. I did it as a backup in case the minister didn't show for a family wedding.

I've since been asked to perform christenings.

dinda said...

There hasn't been a Duggar related scandal in a few months. When is Josh's trial for using the DJ's pic on the dating site?? It's all rather boring now with the biggest news is Jinger wearing jeans. I guess the next big news will be the birth of Jill's next baby, where, how and when.

Duggarsbegone said...

Pastor Chuck Vuolo has been married to his wife Diana for thirty-four years. Together, they have three grown children. Chuck pastored in Downingtown from 1986 to 2005. From 2005 to 2010, he was a full-time worker in the Amish community, leading Bible studies, counseling, evangelizing, and helping to nurture Amish believers in their newfound faith in Christ. From 2010 to the present, he has been serving, half-time, as a pastor of a church plant, New Life Community Church in Kingsville, MD.. The other half of his time is devoted to ministry in Lancaster County among the Amish, ex-Amish and others (mostly in the "plain community). His passion is to see people set free from the guilt and bondage of sin through the gospel of the grace of God in Jesus Christ and to help young believers to grow in their understanding of and commitment to God's Word.

I found this while surfing the internet. Interesting that he works with ex-Amish. I live in Lancaster County, PA.

Susie said...

I think all of the sons-in-law appeared to court a Duggar girl without any prior friendship or intro. They wanted an arranged marriage with a virgin from a famous cult family that they could ride for some fame and fortune. They all have serious mental issues. Dim Bulb Daddy was just glad someone, anyone was interested. He was SO quick to say yes.

Jennifer said...

Check out her jeremy fb today. She had much tighter and cuter color of jeans on today.

Heart in Florida said...

What are Jinger and Jeremy going to do if they get an wedding invitation to one of his "regular family member's" wedding up in the NE? A typical NE Italian/Catholic wedding is filled with formal wear, real food, drink and lots of music and dancing? Will they attend? If they attend the ceremony, IN A CATHOLIC CHURCH, and the lively reception, will Jeremy try to dance with Jinger? Does he believe public dancing between married people is wrong?

Tori said...

I think they would go and Jinger would have the time of her life. It has always struck me that at least some of the kidults must see JB +michelles rules as a total crock of BS, they see the outside 'real world, but when you are so contolled especially financially and have had a limited education you are stuck. Hopefully being away from the duggar compound and a part of the vuolo family will broaden Jingers horizons further than just wearing pants, and that hell isn't waiting for you if you break daddies stupid rules.

Dana Alton said...

Regarding Jinger going to a Italian wedding.....hasn't Jeremy, as her "headship", given her the okay to wear shorts, jeans, even have a glass of wine? If he says it is okay for her to dance, wear a pretty formal dress, attend a Catholic church, she has to obey her new authority figure as a married woman. I do not think Jeremy is a Gothard cult follower. I feel he is slowly bring Jinger into the real world, making a woman out of her. I predict next she will be taking photography classes or starting her own photography business with her headship's blessing. Jinger looks so happy now. Jessa is another story, looking older, heavier and dowdy now, not the beauty she thinks she is. She needs to step it up. Whats the word on Jill? When is her baby due and is she coming back home while still able to fly? Could she be stuck in CA, perhaps needing a C-section again at a local hospital?

Grandma Wagner said...

I recall Jinger said she felt full of sin when she was a little innocent girl, afraid of going to hell. I think Jeremy has helped her see she is a good person, not a sinner and is opening up her world. He must really love her.

betsy said...

Pastor Chuck Vuolo is being a true missionary, helping those like the Duggar kids, know they are worthy and not lost. Why can't Dillard do this home in the USA where it is safer and free of the dreaded Zika virus. Maybe because he is not really a minister, just some guy who calls himself a missionary. This allow him to beg from donations while caring so little for his wife and child that he puts them in a harms way simply so he does not have to go to work
as those who donate do to give him money.

Bruney said...

She looks so cute in jeans! I wish Jessa would follow her lead.

Andrea said...

Does anyone know when Counting On is returning? Just confirming ... we haven't see Jessa's birth of baby number two yet?!

ThursFriday said...

I would totally love to see Jana in a cute pair of Capri's! She would look darling!

betsy said...

Where cameras suddenly at Jessa's house for the birth and the world gets to see her pushing out her baby, but in the most modest way while camera & tech guys see her lady parts??? I've gotta watch that.

Gerti said...

Jana will not wear capris. Though she is 26 her daddy controls her every move, keeping her safe & sound in the Duggar compound to waste her life caring for Moochelle's children while Moochelle lays back ready & willing.

Chela said...

I think May is the start of the new seasons-- Little People, Big World & The Seven Little Johnstons come back on in May,too.

Arkie said...

...helping to nurture Amish believers in their newfound faith in Christ

Uhhhh, Amish ARE Christians. Kinda like Derrick "converting" Catholics in CA. "You're not a Christian unless you're MY kind of Christian." Grrrrrr...

Pastor Chuck is no more a missionary than Derrick is. Here's one of his nifty quotes - "When your pastor is clearly getting out of God’s Word what the Holy Spirit put there, and he’s giving it to you accurately – then brothers and sisters, obey it! In doing so, you won’t be in so much obeying a fallible man, but you will be obeying God and that will be to the blessing of your soul and a joy to your pastor."

So, yeah, believe and do whatever HE says, because HE'S got the DIRECT line to the Big Guy, so whatever he says is the word of God.

#facepalm

Wednesday said...

Are Jeremy's parent's Catholic? Do we know how much interaction Jeremy has with his relatives?

lisa mcgingess said...

anyone see the update on Jana and John David? they have nothing to update? wow they are living useless lives and if they have so much free time and the show is the only income why don't they do mission work? homeless shelters food banks? guess they cannot help in their own community?

Just Saying said...

Reading Betsy's comment about waiting to see the birth of Jessa's baby. That's exactly why the Duggars are still on TV & why Jim Bob is laughing all the way to the bank.

Aunt Bea said...

So, who's the 'judge' of a pastor's interpretation of the word of God being accurage or not...the pastor himself? Hey, that's a good deal for HIM, isn't it. He says he's getting it right AND straight from the Holy Spirit so we shouldn't think for ourselves much, just do as he asks? These men have a really self-inflated ego.

Aunt Bea said...

IMO, Amish and Mennonite communities are far better Christians than most. Pastor Vuolo should be taking lessons from THEM....take note, Jill and Derick, Ben and Jessa AND Jeremy.

Vilente said...

Jana and JohnDavid could be each other's accountability partners if they went out into the world. I am wondering if they could cover for each other. Is this why they send little snoopy kids out with the adults? I feel this is sort of like adults being on house arrest their entire lives but with supervised visits to the real world.

Grandma Wagner said...

The Amish have their own churches. Why is Jeremy's father getting into their business and trying to convert them? They believe in God. The Amish world is similar to Gothard cult/religion in certain ways such as no tv, dress codes, male dominance and being shunned if you leave the community/cult. Isn't there some poor mountain towns in West Virginia where missionaries like the Duggars & Vuolos & Dillards could help not only with religion but assisting in setting up home businesses so people can support themselves and building homes for the poor? If they did this, I'd be impressed.

Tori said...

Just read an article that says Josh is going to have to take the stand and give evidence under oath in the DJ identity theft case. The same report also said that the Duggars have tried to get a settlement but the DJ wouldn't accept it. The best part of the article by far is that the DJs lawyer is a woman! I know the report is in a magazine so taking in with a pinch of salt at the moment, but I really hope this guy doesn't settle and Josh and the rest of the Duggars finally realise you can't commit crimes,blame it on the devil and never face justice. Hope the lawyer makes him squirm.

Emma said...

The Duggars and their ilk are not interested in helping anyone in any practcal way. The fans wet their knickers when they see photographs of the duggars helping out with some practical/home improvement project and heap praise on all their skills, but has anyone ever seen them use these skills to help anyone in need? Have they ever built houses for the homeless, dug wells for fresh water in CA, raised funds to buy much needed supplies for clinics or schools? It is all about saving souls and converting people to their extreme version of christianity, all while trying to look like fundie paragons of virtue. Peoples spiritual wellbeing is important but basic human needs need to be met first, I do not understand why they cannot see this. If they really helped the poor in a practical way people might take them more seriously, instead they ask for $24,000, live in comfort and try to convert people who are already christian, no wonder people get angry.

Frannie D. said...

The Duggars do nothing. Boring people who keep taking the same smiling photos but in different locations. It's amazing the husbands, like Ben & Jeremy have all the time in the world to travel, not having to keep a work schedule. We all know Ben is a lazy boy but what about the wonderful Jeremy? Does he work full time at his church with about 20 members? How's he making enough money to support that new wardrobe of Jinger. Ooops..it's Jinger who is supporting with the TLC money that Jimbob sees fit to give her as he is talent manager. What phony people.

Meme said...

Re: Jana's useless life. I agree that she is wasting away. But. Any mother who would allow an almost 30 year old woman to give up her own life in order to allow the mother opportunities to leave home and trot around the globe is a complete NARCISSIST. When the original 19 Kids and Counting was being shown on a regular basis, did we ever once see Michelle Duggar with her hands in dishwater, or pulling a pan of food out of the oven? I was hoping that maybe we just weren't seeing it until the episode where one of the littles got sick, started vomiting and ran to her mother who IMMEDIATELY called for "Jana Buddy". These fundie families practice child abuse, IMO. I would give anything to see Jana leave that prison under any circumstances. Camera guy (Frank?) should have taken her with him when he left...I have always wondered if she secretly wanted to go. I'm sure that Jim Bob, the other narcissist, stood in the way of anything happening there. If Jana ever left, Michelle might actually have to get up off her @ss and do something, which would make her much less available to His Highness. We CANNOT have that, as we all know that the universe would collapse if Big Jim ever lacked for anything.

123 said...

Frannie D--bingo! "the duggars are boring people who keep taking the same smiling photos but in different locations". They kind of remind me of the garden gnomes, and they have just about the same amount of brain cells and personality as the gnomes.

Heart in Florida said...

I think it's believed if Jana left the house in any way, even a real day job, that Michelle would crumble under the pressure to do what she's supposed to have been doing anyway, as the 'biblical, traditional mother' of the house. Michelle, IMO, is still emotionally a 17 year old, disorganized teen. Until she had her breakdown and let the daughters take over every aspect of the household FOR HER, her house was a mess and she was behind on everything. Nothing wrong, now, with delegating AGE APPROPRIATE little chores so your children learn how to take care of their own things, SLOWLY, so they develop those skills in the future. Michelle didn't do that. She abdicated and designated, ordered and threatened with 'hellfire and damnation' to her daughters if they didn't do as she told them to do. It has never changed from that day on.
I also think Jim Bob AND Mary Duggar actually know how fragile Michelle's emotional state has remained and how she's still a kid emotionally. They cover up for her to this day. Jana is paying that price, IMO, having all of her own goals and hopes 'trained up' out of her since she was about 8 years old.

everythingieverwanted said...

Regarding the comments about Jeremy's dad working with the Amish. From what I understand, he is not trying to convert them. They have already left the Amish faith when he starts working with them. The Amish, just like the Duggars, live a life dictated by rules that aren't necessarily in the bible. They are very rigid and structured etc. Many who leave that faith are cut off from their families and have a very difficult time transiting into a life that they were never exposed to. As far as the Amish being Christian.......members of every religion can be Christian. That is not about the religion, but rather making the decision to ask Christ into your heart and making Him Lord of your life. A relationship with Christ is a personal one, and not dictated by what religion you are, and the many rules of some churches. I applaud Jeremy's dad for his work with the ex-Amish. I say what I have because I do have a good understanding of the Amish religion and life as I dated a former Amish man many years ago.

Libby said...

members of every religion can be Christian. That is not about the religion, but rather making the decision to ask Christ into your heart and making Him Lord of your life. A relationship with Christ is a personal one

That is an evangelical definition of Christian and a relatively modern invention popularized by Billy Graham and others of the 20th century. It is not even the definition of Christianity by the majority of Christians in the world today. The concept that one can be Christian and still hold to another religion is a view not likely to be upheld by most evangelicals.

Hoping for the best said...

Maybe on working with former Amish And others who might need help getting away Jeremy's dad mentioned the Duggars To Jeremy and Jeremy wanted to help. Jinger, being pretty, caught his eye and he thought it would be a good way to get inside the compound.

Ok.. It was just a thought.

I do hope he is always good to her. Those kids have most likely been through more than we can imagine.

roddma said...

Re:Vuolo being Amish preacher
I find it odd an Amish community would use an outsider. Preachers, or bishops, are commonly chosen by drawing lots.

roddma said...

Re:Michelle and houseworkcooking
. You can't throw all the child care and house work on Michelle. Jim Bob and Michelle both act lost when they are caring for kids.They are both equally responsible for looking after kids, changing their diapers, bathing them etc, laundry and dishes.
There was no reason to be behind on laundry with so many people around.I guess Jim Bob was snoozing peacefully while Michelle broke down. But yes ironic they preach the ideal 'proverbs woman' and Michelle is not that.

I posted my last comment without reading all the way but I'm glad some on here realize the Amish and Mennonites aren't better. Especially the Old Order Amish tend to sweep sexual abuse under the rug. Just google.

roddma said...

And about fans wetting pants over 'skills'. I agree. I think the kids suffer form Dunning Kruger effect-thinking your skills are higher than what they are. I don't blame the kids but the parents and fans. Normal people don't get praised in such a way for the same thing.

Willow said...

I had the same impression all along about Jeremy's dad. I understood he is pastoring/mentoring Amish who have left their culture but not the Christian faith. It gives them help with transition. Does anyone know if the Amish are taught that leaving the Amish community would mean going to hell for sure?

Ellie On a Roll said...

I wish TLC would air the old Duggar series. I would like to figure out just when Michelle started to have her nervous breakdown. The only incident that was remains in my memory is the laundry room incident.

Aunt Bea said...

I agree that housework and child care should be shared between both parents, in a normal situation. These people preach that it's a wife's job to tend to all the house stuff while the husband puts his hours in working all week. Having said that, I believe that at that time in their lives, Jim Bob was working outside the home doing his job or jobs to support them as he could...so, it would logically be up to Michelle to carry on at home, MOSTLY by herself. Jim Bob also has gone on record to say that he left the number of children they have UP TO MICHELLE, he didn't say he left it up to God. So, Michelle IMO, IS responsible for her own breakdown in continuing to have more and more children. Bottom line, it wasn't fair to the older daughters to be required to run the household for their mother, we're not talking helping out some or taking care of their own bed/space, or personal things. A young girl of 8, Jana, was standing on a stool stirring hot pots on the back burner of their stove EVERY DAY. All of the family meals were her responsibility as well as caring for the never ending newborns in that house.

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