Big Family Reunion Nov 3 30 minutes

The Duggars are taking a trip to Ohio for Michelle's family reunion. In addition to the several food and gas stops along the way, they visit a creationism museum where animatronic dinosaurs roam the earth with Adam and Eve.

56 comments:

Jim S said...

The whole Creation Musuem, which was also featured in "Religulous" was just sad and creepy, as was the Duggar clan rotely reciting their beliefs on the matter. It's one thing to study it, make that leap of faith and form it into a belief, but coming out of their mouths, it just sounded like brainwashing. Nothing but blind, unquestioning faith.

EarthyHippie said...

I enjoyed this eppy last night.

T-bag said...

Did anyone else notice the cleverly placed advertising just like in Jon and Kate? The Rose Petal Cottage, the Wal-Mart bags, the i-phone.
Nice, guess they've joined the bandwagon.

Anonymous said...

While I'm not a strict creationist (arguing with carbon dating seems kind of futile), I was rather amazed at the complexity and extent of the museum. I was glad to see that TLC and the Duggars allowed dissenting opinions to be offered also.

Anonymous said...

Wow. That museum. I don't even know what to say. Dinosaurs roaming with early humans? "Flinstones....meet the Flinstones..."

cincymom said...

It's funny. I live close to the museum but haven't been there, but there was a lot of hub bub when it was being built, just south of Cincinnati. I believe God created us, but also find it hard to dispute scientific evidence and carbon dating. So I just choose to blindly believe both and not choose. Doesn't make much sense, but I don't want to choose.

I think it's great the Duggars allow hard questions to the parents and kids AND show public opinions as well. Very well rounded and leaves room for all people. I don't think it appears they shield their kids. Most families teach kids the ways the family believes in terms of religion, money, discipline, etc...

If you notice, the kids WERE aware there are dissenting opinions and based on scientific evidence. They can choose to learn more about that at any time.

It's funny seeing the same camera guy from both shows from time to time. Wonder what he thinks of all this?

Liz said...

Although, the Duggers are more religious than my family I think they are a great family. They seem to stick together. They all seem to love each other. Their other family members do not seem to have their same religious convictions but Michelle realizes how important it is for them to know all of their family. They just seem like good people.

Anonymous said...

The Duggar children are remarkablely well-spoken and quite educated. I thought this show would be a hoot to watch at first, but I find that their family is quite respectable. I hope they decided to not do a show in the long run and just keep raising what appears to be some good kids.

I did notice the Rose Petal cottage in the background. Guess Kate let them borrow their leftovers....

Also, what is the deal with that pink striped shirt?

Anonymous said...

I was wondering about the pink striped shirts also. Joshua's fiance was wearing the same shirt in the booth where he proposed to her. They all wear them. Why??

Lisa said...

re the shirts--maybe the got a "odd lot" of them and bought a bunch for pennies on the pound? I thought it REALLY odd that bride-to-be and mother-in-law to be were dressed almost identically. I smell therapy ahead for Josh after the wedding night! That said, I really do enjoy them.

Stacey T. said...

I agree, I think it's not very respectful for Anna's mother to dress like her daughter KNOWING that she was getting engaged AND it was going to be filmed. Let her daughter have a little limelight on her special day.

Anonymous said...

We all choose to teach our kids what (we think) they should know to get through life. One set of parents may choose to teach their kids the difference between right and wrong, and another may teach their kids that there is no right and wrong. Neither parent is brainwashing their kids.

I think the museum is a neat idea. The fact is that scientists just don't know for sure. I went to public school, and I remember very clearly reading what scientific theory is all about. It doesn't hurt anybody out there for them to believe that dinosaurs and humans did exist together.

Unless, of course, they come riding up to your door on top of a stegasaurus. That might be infringing on your flower bed, at least.

Anonymous said...

The thing that bothered me was that niether parent was watching a small child during the museum visit. As usual, the older girls are assigned a little kid and they are responsible for that kid. Okay, so Michelle births the babies and acts as home school teacher. What else? She doesn't do the laundry. She doesn't do the cooking. She doesn't watch the kids or do diaper changes. She doesn't dress the little kids or participate in their daily hygiene. She doesn't clean the house. She doesn't do yard work or car maintenance. She has help with grocery shopping. I guess it's pretty easy to run a household and raise 17 children when you don't really have to do it yourself.

Anonymous said...

That Creation Museum seems to have an unhealthy obsession with dinosaurs. And those mannequins were beyond creepy.

My favorite bits of this episode were when they interviewed the people on the street. I laughed out loud at the "Land of the Lost" comment. I wish Amy had been with them. I'm sure her take on the whole thing would have been hilarious.

For those who think all the Duggar children are always well behaved, pay more attention to Johannah. She throws a fit every episode. There is no such thing as perfect.

Anonymous said...

I love that Michelle wanted to go to the family reunion. It's clear that others members of the family have different beliefs then they do, but family is more important than that. I hope if any of the kids ever decide to become rebellious that they're still welcomed at home.

Anonymous said...

Wow, really, wow. This episode broke my brain a little. While watching I became absolutely astounded. I have seen and heard alot of "different views" in my life, but up until now I had no idea that people actually thought like this. I really loved the Duggars. I didn't agree with everything they said or did. Yet, I have always respected them. This changed things a little.
Before I go on let me give you a little "back up". I grew up in both the Catholic and Methodist church. A close family friend of mine had family members over all the time. 1 was a Priest, and 2 others were Nuns. My neighbors mom re-married a Rabbi. My neighbor 2 doors down was a Pastor. And my pal up the street had an aunt and cousins who were Jehovas Witnesses .I was in a sorta religious bermuda triangle. Almost everyone I knew my whole life was very religious. And, not ONE of them seriously believed that world is only 6000 years old. We all understood that fact is fact, and faith is faith.
When I realized that the Duggars were teaching this on purpose (The parents absolutely know better. They are chosing to teach their children fundamentalist propaganda just so they can keep them in line with their other points) I almost choked on my lunch. I feel sad that those children aren't being taught to think for themselves. In the end, all I can say is....... WOW.

T-bag said...

I am confused...I don't ever see Michelle doing much- she homeschools, and births the children. That's it. She seems like a wonderful mother, I just don't see where she's doing the day-to-day things- her children do most of that.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone see eldest son Josh in the episode ?

Anonymous said...

Front and center near the end of the episode.

Anonymous said...

Hum, I was thinking just the opposite, poor Michelle never gets a break. I've never seen her sitting down unless she is driving a bunch of kids somewhere. When does she have a chance to prop up her feet? I mean, she is pregnant!

Michelle said...

I live in Ohio, and I'm disturbed to be from a state that boasts such a museum. I'm pagan, so I generally disagree with the Duggars' religious beliefs anyway, but I was raised Catholic and went to Catholic school for 9 years....and we were taught evolution! We were taught the bible was written in stories to convey things more easily to the "common folk" who were often illiterate, but could remember the stories. Never, EVER, were we expected to believe that the world was only 6,000 years old or that people lived with dinosaurs. As a matter of fact, I clearly remember a poster in perhaps my 6th grade classroom that was of the Earth from space and it said "2.5 billion years old."

dizzy_squishling_and_bean said...

There are "Modest Dress" websites that sell only modest clothes, maybe they all liked it and got it from that place. Seriously picking on their clothes?

Anonymous said...

I was watching J&K Plus 8 at the zoo, and cracked up when I noticed Kate had on a pink and white striped shirt practically identical to the one the Duggar girls wear. Must be TLC thing, or it was on sale at Kmart.

Jen said...

Is it possible that no one yet has mentioned the BATHING SUITS that they wear? Holy crud, straight out of the 1920's! Even the boys!

One thing I could not see as hard as I tried, in the skydiving episode...did the oldest Duggar girl skydive with her dress on?

I love the modesty thing if that is what they believe, but who would want to go swimming in those things? Wowzer.

Jim S said...

I loved your post, Michelle, and fought it really interesting that you were taught that the Bible was made up of stories. I'm agnostic myself and look at the Bible as a mixture of history, philosophy and fable. In fact, I look at most of the more famous Old Testament tales, like Adam and Eve, Noah, Jonah, as fables...stories with a moral lesson...and find it really interesting that those are the ones that seem to be the focus of the museum.

Couldn't tell if it was Jinger or Jessa who looked kind of bored with the whole thing, but given their penchant for rolling their eyes and making vaguely sarcastic remarks on occasion, they're the best hopes for breaking, or at least stretching, the carefully crafted family mold.

Anonymous said...

FREE JINGER!

Anonymous said...

At this point I am not certain I can even watch this show. I was shocked to see the outright ignorance glorified on the creation museum episode. Personally, I believe that evolution is God inspired creation.
Here is my real problem: Michelle and Jim Bob seem like very nice people. I actually liked them until this episode. However, I now see the very dark side of this. BECAUSE they show this ultra nice and wholesome lifestyle they get under the radar of the reasoning people. Even in the comments you can see a hesitance to criticize too sharply because they show this persona. I think that perhaps they aren't too healthy and wholesome. I can honestly say that I never have agreed that having that many children was fair to the kids, but I was willing to say 'okay - live and let live,' Now I am thinking they need some intervention of some kind to get those children educated. I mean REAL books written by highly educated people that state facts and not bizzarro pretend world facts. I know I probably won't be popular for this opinion and I am truly sorry if I offend anyone else. This is just my own observation as a parent that it is WRONG to misguide and misdirect intentionally.

vipersue said...

I think the Duggars seem like nice people and I admire some of their lifestyle choices. I do have concerns that if the children all decide to follow in Michelle and Jim's footsteps and have 17+ children how will they support all of them. I don't think they would be able to get into colleges with the home school education they have. The mothers don't seem to work in their families and I can't see how the men will be able to support large families without an education.

Anonymous said...

Vipersue,
Okay, wow. I am personally against home schooling, however, I am aware enough to know that hundreds of thousands of children are home schooled in this country and are educated enough to not only attend top universities, but to support themselves as well. I think your comments were a little ignorant.

Jenny said...

Well, Michelle's brand of homeschooling has been much criticized. It's the API program, which doesn't appear to be very comprehensive. Although I've read that you have to add your own math and English to it, so it only covers social studies, science and religion, possibly geography.

I must say that as a homeschooling mom myself, it is a big job. And with multiple children, it could be a full-time job. However, the buddies homeschool their buddy on top of all the household work, so Michelle isn't doing all of the homeschooling either. The slaves, um, I mean girls are doing most of it. Although I assume that Michelle homeschools the older kids, hopefully anyway.

Anonymous said...

As far as the comments of homeschool children not being able to get into college. Absolutely not true. I have graduated two homeschooled children. One has recently graduated fire/emt academy close to the top of his class. The other just started her first year of college. They were homeschooled most of their lives. Public and private schools are not the end all be all in educating children to be sucessful adults.

vipersue said...

I am aware that home schooled kids are often more advanced than public school educated kids. I guess the creation museum just freaked me out. I can't imagine the Duggar kids going to an accredited college with views like I heard them talk about. I guess I am ignorant,I didn't know evolution had been disproven. I haven't seen the older kids preparing to take SATs, looking at colleges or doing anything that I equate with getting the education necessary to support a family as an adult. That was my point, not that home schooling is inadequate in any way.

Anonymous said...

Well, Josh owns and runs his own business, so I would say his education has certainly provided for him as he is now able to support himself and his wife.

Anonymous said...

Josh isn't really "supporting" himself and Anna. His family bought him a house, he probably got a free car from the lot and he probably gets a cut of the TLC money that Jim Bob and Michelle make off their family. Even if they are paying "rent" every month for the house, it's probably dirt cheap. What I want to know is this- does Anna work at the car lot? I know the Duggar's don't encourage women to work, but Michelle did work before they had children. What else would Anna do all day?

Anonymous said...

About the whole homeschooling thing...I was homeschooled all the way through highschool. I was in a graduating class of 37 seniors (and I personally knew about 34 out of the 37) that were from all around our metro area. I think that homeschooling was the right choice for me and my siblings (I have a 20 year old brother in college and a sister who is graduating this May from HS and then there's 3 left at home) but I will never homeschool my own children. My mother has a BA degree in Early Childhood Education and made it her mission that her children would get the best possible education that she could give to them. She made it a point to get us involved with many extra-curricular activities, went on countless field trips, and sacrificed her time and money for us. We did things as a family, but did just as many things with friends and even our homeschool group (I know, it's pretty corny!).

My 20 year old brother is a Sophomore at a respectable college. He got a 32 on the ACT his first try and has a full ride to the university he is attending. He is a Technical Theater major and has already had the opportunity to work on several shows, including a profession production that is being done at his school.

My HS Senior sister is currently in a fire-fighting explorer program and is in the pursuit of a college that will suit her desires of helping people.

I am currently 22, I graduated with my Associate of Arts degree n Social Work a year ago and within 2 months, was hired by a school district and am now a Behavioral Therapist in an Autism Classroom at an elementary school. I worked fulltime and went to school fulltime, I am completely debt free, I paid my own way through school. I plan on going back to school and getting my BA in social work (night classes, yay!). I make very decent money, have great benefits and insurance (and job security in this economy), all at 22! I live on my own in a cute little apartment which is about 15 minutes away from my family. I have a very fulfilling and rewarding life. And considering my apartment burned down 3 months ago, having lost everything, I am very lucky to have had a mother who taught me self suffiency.

Homeschooling is definitely not for everyone, maybe I got lucky. But I ended up okay, I think. :)

Anonymous said...

Yes, it says that Anna works at the same used car dealership as Josh. It is on their website at the bottom of the story of their courtship.

Anonymous said...

Anna worked before her and Josh became engaged and all during their engagement. She has worked in youth ministry for afew years and I'm sure she will continue with this until the children come along. And the Duggers did not BUY them a house. The family had another house that was in the family and they all pitched in and cleaned it up and updated it. Josh and Anna do pay rent.

I don't want to be Anony said...

T-bag said...
Did anyone else notice the cleverly placed advertising just like in Jon and Kate? The Rose Petal Cottage, the Wal-Mart bags, the i-phone.
Nice, guess they've joined the bandwagon.


They're probably sponsors. If you look for them, you can see them on a lot of (reality) shows. Lord knows Top Model beat the hell out of that sprint phone during one cycle :P

I missed this episode, but hopefully I'll get to see a repeat soon.

Anonymous said...

I'm not for sure that the parents know for sure that the earth is older then 6,000 years and are just teaching their children that to keep them in line.

Fundies like J&M believe that the Bible is literal and that their interpretation of the Bible is correct. I know of people who swear that they can scientifically prove that the Earth is 6000 years old.

Now, there is something called the pre-adamic race who were so evil that God wiped them out and started anew (I think this is where some of the demons come from). The 6000 years doesn't include them.

So - maybe that's why scientists think the earth is older the 6000, there are some remnants of the pre-adamic race left in the soil.

(I don't believe this btw, just explaining some of the Christian beliefs out there).

Anonymous said...

I am a Christian and I've never heard of the pre adamic race. If you go back through the Bible it tells exactly how old each person was when they died. So, all you have to do is calculate it up and you can figure out how old the earth is give or take.

Also, scientists use carbon dating, and if you research this, you can see the flaws. It just takes researching the other side, and keeping an open mind. it does go against what public schools fed us, but that doesn't make it wrong.

Anonymous said...

I did a quick search and found a wikipedia article on the pre-adamic race- I just scanned, but I think it tells the history of this belief: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Adamite

I was part of some pretty fundie/strange Christian groups growing up and the pre-adamic race was used by people who would travel around and talk about creationism.

I'm not saying I believe in it, just saying what others have talked about.

The creationist also talked about how flawed carbon dating is and that we can figure it out by going by the ages of everyone when they died.

The thing is - there was a life outside the garden of eden, and we don't know when Adam and Eve sinned - it could have been millenia. :)

highQ said...

T-bag said...
Did anyone else notice the cleverly placed advertising just like in Jon and Kate? The Rose Petal Cottage, the Wal-Mart bags, the i-phone.
Nice, guess they've joined the bandwagon.
________________________________
What makes it "placed advertising"
Just because a person has a phone, or had to get an item or two at Wal-Mart does not mean that its intentional advertising. People gotta shop don't they? If I was filmed doing a seminar on positive parenting (which I do) and had my blackberry in my hand that does not make it advertising.

Anonymous said...

My beliefs are completed different from the Duggar's. I don't even believe in a god (gasp!). However, I love watching the show and commend them for having such a nice family. Kind, soft spoken, patient.... Every J&K + 8 aren't. I'm sticking with the Duggars.

grams and papaw said...

I was wondering where was the reunion did anyone catch where it was.

Anonymous said...

"I was wondering where was the reunion did anyone catch where it was."

The reunion was in Ohio. That is where Michelle is originally from.

JenTru said...

There was definitely some "placed advertising" on last night's episode...First of all, there was no reason to ecven be talking about cleaning, it had nothing to do with the general storyline, it just gave them an excuse to be filmed holding bottles of Pledge cleaner, several times, always with the label facing outward toward the camera. All three of them, holding the same bottle of cleaner, with the label facing the camera. Definitely "placed advertising", and very poorly done as it looks like this was added to the episode specifically for the advertising. At least when the kids were playing with the new Playskool toys they appeared to be having fun with them naturally. Darn, I was hoping they wouldn't do too much of that.

Anonymous said...

Dinosaurs and humans living together! Oh, my sides hurt from laughing!

I can't help but think back to my first year of university and the introduction to anthropology course I took. One of the FIRST things out of the prof's mouth was, "we will not entertain any discussion about creationism in this class or in the tutorials. This is a university dedicated to scientific study and anyone who would like to mix religion into that should enroll in a religious institution. If you have a problem with us setting aside creationism for scientific fact - leave now."

No one walked out of the class. It seems a shame to me that someone homeschooled to believe that dinos and humans were living together might be missing out on a thing or two at a higher level of education.

Anonymous said...

Until this series aired, I had mostly positive feelings about the Duggars. I've often defended them at work when others were putting them down - I've always felt if they're raising decent human beings, good for them. I don't beleive anyone has the right to interfere with others' reproductive choices. And I enjoyed watching them, they're a likeable bunch of people (except for Josh, and he'll probably grow out of it).

With nearly every episode of this series, however, I've felt more and more uneasy.

This episode, more than any other to date, frankly scared me.

I found it horrifying to watch the children mindlessly, stumblingly parrot their parents/teachers' statements that the world is 6,000 years old, and that this is scientifically or otherwise objectively supported.

Someone else here commented that it was great that the Duggars allowed other opinions to be expressed in this show, but I don't believe it was their choice - TLC seems to edit this show to make the family appear, well, nutty at best.

But more chilling than the children's frighteninly limited education was the museum itself.

I hope I misunderstood this, but during the museum tour, the camera briefly focused on a poster depicting some of the horrors that stem from society adopting a secular-humanist perspective. Racism, genocide on the left side of the poster, and on the right side a very charming bi-racial couple with absolutely adorable twins of different colors, and a caption that read something like, '[the belief that] racial differences are superficial and the results of natural selection....' This seemed to insinuate that the "horror" of interracial marriage biracial children was an evil brought on by secularization, tantamount to racism and genocide. . .

I've had the vague feeling lately that this family and the fundamentalist movement(s) it represents, despite the apparent sweetness and niceness, might be racist. But that screenshot really brought it home for me.

Has anyone else seen this poster? Did I misunderstand it? Has anyone else felt the, "white supremacist vibe," I've felt, or am I just imagining it?

cupcake tin said...

Okay, this "creationist" thing is freaking me out. I used to think I was a creationist because I believe the Big Bang is a hypothesis, not a proven theory. Also, I believe the bible lays out a good idea of the ORDER of creation (first light and dark, then sea and sky, then land, then creatures and lastly humans), and that God did create us. I've never seen the reason to argue against evolution since it's obvious and continuous. No, science doesn't answer the questions regarding the soul, but faith doesn't dispute science either. Many things in the bible, especially the old testament, are written to explain what was at the time unexplainable.

What I did NOT know, until moving to the South, is that creationism requires one to believe that Genesis is an accurate depiction of what did happen. Personally, while I believe God could do anything He wants, I also believe God created order and logic to point us toward living in societies that are ordered and logical. So the whole literal belief in Genesis doesn't jive with that.

Either way, it isn't a matter of salvation as far as I'm concerned. I believe God created the universe and all, except evil, that is not God is His creation. The details happened a long time ago, so why are we fighting about it?

Lili said...

Did anyone else notice that in the photos shown on the monitor there are groups of males and groups of females, but no pictures with them all together?

manya said...

Josh and Anna may very well pay rent to live in the family owned house they live in but if they were in the real world they sure wouldn't pay the $1000 a month rent for a 2 bedroom apartment that my daughter and son in law pay for theirs. We aren't lucky enough to own an extra house for them to live in. Those kids don't even know how it is to live in the real world.

Anonymous said...

Like I said before, when Josh was ushering
Anna into her "new" home, it was creepy knowing she had NO input into where they'd be living, didn't have any objections to leaving her own family, etc.
It seemed like Josh was "playing house"
with a real house and a real live, "wife" doll of his very own.

Since so many here have posted on the
peculiar way Mom Michelle assigns older kids to younger kids to take care of,
what's going to happen when the four older girls outgrow their jobs, (marry, move away, etc.) and the only ones left to pick up the caretaking chores are BOYS??

Maybe someone here can dissect the age and gender spread to see what might ensue in the next five years or so when
the family possibly shifts into another
phase of ages and stages? Should be
interesting!

Anonymous said...

2:44, from what I understand, Josh OWNS his own used car lot, so he can drive any car on the lot if he wants to because he OWNS THEM ALL. Can you say that? And the house given to him and his fiancee is a house that his family already owned. It had been in the family for years (they said so on the show). They had probably rented it out previously and now they are giving it to Josh. I don't see a problem with that. I'd give each of my own kids a house if I could afford to do so.

Anonymous said...

I agree with the commenter Michelle who went to Catholic school. She said "We were taught the bible was written in stories to convey things more easily to the "common folk" who were often illiterate, but could remember the stories. "

That's exactly how I reconciled it all by myself in 8th or 9th grade. No one explained it, but I could see that the stories in the Bible, while some might be completely true, others are stories to explain things in a way that the people of that time could understand.

Anonymous said...

Anon 11/14---8:39am

I think you are looking for something that isn't there in the poster--What it shows & what it reads is all there is to it--No underlying meanings--
I was raised in Texas & have attended Southern Baptists Churches always--The explanation we received in SS were---What was a day,a month a year is an unknown-
Never were we taught that the earth was 6000 yrs old-Everyone I know subscribes to this belief--Not to the belief the Duggars are teaching & believe--

Anonymous said...

Being from the South-There isn't anything with a white supremacist vibe--White Supremacist's are not the brightest bulbs in the box-
They don't do anything that isn't in your face like it or not--If they suscribe to these beliefs, they want you to know it--They shout it from the rooftops--They leave nothing to imagination-