Tues, September 22, Duggar on a Diet

For some time now, Jim Bob has been waging his own little Battle of the Bulge. Watch as the father of 18 decides to go on a diet just as the daughters of soundman Mr. Jim come to meet the Duggars.

30 minutes

123 comments:

Alli Byers said...

Is it just me or does anyone else think that Jim Bob really isn't all that pudgy? It doesn't seem like he really needs to be on THAT strict of a diet. Maybe just make a couple small changes like smaller portions, etc. would be the best way to go.
I don't know-- that's just my opinion.

Freshman15 said...

I think the show's producer is confused, it's oldest boy Josh that needs to be on the diet.

imaamy said...

I think Michelle is heavier when not pregnant, relatively. Of course I am not saying she should be stick thin having had all those kids, but JB just has a little belly. Josh probably needs it more.

Anonymous said...

I thought the same thing. He doesn't seem overweight at all, looks pretty good.

Also, did you notice that Jana seemed to be at the WW meeting that they went to... wonder who has been telling her to lose weight?

sherryhefner said...

I am not one to talk about other people's weight. Its a tough issue since I have struggled most of my life with being a bit overweight. However, since the Duggars are bringing it up, I agree with the others that JB doesn't seem overweight to me. I think Michelle is a very pretty lady. She has a certain radiance about her. But I have always been curious about what size she is. (Any one care to guess?) I know that sounds terribly nosey. I will tell you that I wear sizes 12-16! It really does vary. When we saw her on the last episode, when they were out playing on the homemade waterslide, I thought she looked further along than a couple months. But maybe that is just her normal weight, which is fine. After all, she's had quite a few children over the years! BTW, I'm not being critical...just making observations.

birdie said...

I think Jim Bob should be eating healthy in order to be around to see baby # 19 grow up. NOT just for his looks! He looks fine to me.

I think it would be really hard to be on a strict diet in a house full of kids that eat a relatively large amount of junk food.

luvmybabies said...

JimBob isn't terribly overweight, but why should he wait until it's a big problem to do something about it? My husband wishes he had nipped his problem in the bud when he had just 15-20 pounds to lose. If you don't do anything about it, the weight tends to go up, not down. Now he's got 50 pounds to lose staring him in the face, and that's a lot more daunting and a lot more trouble. Better to take it off at the first indication of a problem.

JimBob is smart to be working at maintaining a healthy weight. He's got a lot to live for.

Rebecca said...

Jana was probably there because doesn't she do most of the family's cooking? That would mean that she would have to know about the diet.

-RBS

Anonymous said...

Product placement strikes again! WW is just another "Swiffer." Too bad the TLC/endorsement money doesn't appear to be going toward legitimate, accredited higher education. Who knew Jana could be home schooled in midwifery? Was this the plan?

Although JB is not too heavy, as he ages, he should be more aware of his weight and health. Josh, however, is a better candidate for the program. He's already developing a double chin and his middle is expanding. His sedentary lifestyle - sleeping late, having someone else cook to please him, and sitting at the car lot - is probably not the best strategy for a healthy life.

WHOA! (sound of screeching record)
What am I saying! That would be a disaster! 1) more face time for Josh; 2) any failures - perceived or otherwise - would be internalized by Anna because she wasn't cooking the right things or encouraging him enough (remember how nerve wracking getting pregnant was? And they did that TOGETHER!); 3) Anna doesn't need to take on two hungry, whining babies.

JB's WW journey - taking advise and accepting criticism from women - will be painful enough to enjoy.

imaamy said...

Since Michelle always wears those big shirts and long formless skirts, it is hard to tell but I'm guessing around size 14 in the rare times she isn't preggers. She is fairly short I think but pretty round. She seemed to have a small frame in that famous cheerleading picture. We've seen the whole family eat a lot of processed food and few fruits and veggies, plus they have that soda machine, so I am surprised they aren't all overweight in fact!

CappuccinoLife said...

I don't think JimBob is all that heavy. BUT, if he's gotten away with poor eating habits and he knows it, it's a lot easier to change that while he's just a little pudgy than wait until he's so heavy that exercising becomes difficult.

I think Michelle is smaller than she sometimes looks. Having had that many kids, she's bound to have a poochy tummy, and she also tends to wear kind of boxy, coverall clothes that don't exactly thin a person out visually.

Mandy said...

They don't use the soda machine most of the time. In their book (I think that's where I read it) Michelle talks about how it's only used for special occasions. I've never seen the kids using it on the show I don't think.

And whenever they show them lining up for food there's always vegetables or fruits in a bowl somewhere. I don't think the Duggars eat that badly.

luvmybabies said...

I'd say Michelle is definitely smaller than size 14 when not pregnant. Especially when she's got a longer break between pregnancies. Remember, the camera makes you look heavier. I'd say she's around a size 8 when she's not pregnant or nursing. Before she began WW around child 14 or 15, she was heavier, but since then she has been pretty trim. She does look like she has a pretty small frame.

imaamy said...

Am I remembering right that a while ago when they showed the ST Pat's breakfast, someone commented on lemonade and sugary rolls on the menu? Maybe it was another day because I remember green milk on that one.

Anonymous said...

I don't think the Duggars eat that badly either. I've noticed a lot of posters complain about their diet, but I'm not seeing it. They eat a smaller percentage of processed foods than a lot of families I know, who are always eating hot dogs, pizza, hot pockets, chicken nuggets and junk like that for meals. I see the Duggars eating a fair amount of fruits and veggies. What, is everyone else eating only whole grains, farmstand produce, lean meats and spring water with no dessert for every meal? Especially with little kids? Come on.

Mrs P said...

Michelle is not doing WW just for the show. she said in the book that she joined WW a 'few babies ago'(she was pg with Jordyn when the book was printed) and became a lifetime member.

MrsP

Beth said...

I think a lot of people commenting on the poor Duggar diet see the addition of fruits and vegetables as a recent phenomenon, added to satisfy the complaints of posters, since in the past, it wasn't there.
Michelle has been open about her using Weight Watchers for years, but that still doesn't take away from the product placement. Certainly it's worse to plug something you really don't use(Swiffer)but it seems they are doing more and more product placement this season. I would think they need to be very careful about this or they will offend a part of their audience by losing credibility as a family living within their means. Also, since they are very conservative in their politics, if one of these companies is linked to something liberal, there will be a strong backlash against them for endorsing them. Sometimes taking freebies can have a high cost. Not too mention that claiming to be a reality show while pausing momentarily to plug a product is difficult for a lot of people to swallow.

Freshman15 said...

Michelle may not be doing WW for the show, but JimBob surely is. He seems to have caught on to the "how-to-keep-scraping-for-episode-ideas" school of thought. How else is he going to afford all those kids ?

imaamy said...

No, I don't eat organic or all whole grains at all. I have never made tater tot casserole I can honestly say!

Joanna said...

Michelle joined WW back in 2003 and lost 40 lbs. If you look at her between Johanna and Jennifer and Jennifer and Jordyn, she looked really good. In fact, her tummy was nearly flat in "On The Road With 16 children". She was getting smaller during the spring before she got pregnant again, and was nearly 3 months along when she realized it and she was wondering why the weight wasn't coming off as usual.

As for Jana being there, maybe she just wanted to learn about being healthier. I've never reallyed needed to be on a diet and I've gone to as many health, wellness, and nutrition classes whenever one is avalaible that I can attend. I've been studing health and my own body since I was child and studing what my health could be in the long run. It's best to learn it and start taking care of yourself better when your young rather then later. I'm not surprised to see Jana there.

Jim Bob said while they were on their road trip this summer, he gained about ten pounds. If he is generally gain a little weight, he should start taking better care of himself now then later. Why wait until you really get overweight?

Pattypanda said...

I don't think the Duggers eat very well. Never really noticed fresh vegetables, fruits, salad, fish. I've seen a lot of processed foods. Never chicken/steak on a grill. Do they even own a grill? Steak doesn't have to be expensive,I can get whole sirloin in Conn (one of the highest rates of living in the US)for $3.99 or less per lb on sale at a butcher shop. The way they seen to purchase their food is very much in bulk, so there aren't trips during the week to fill in for fresh items. It would be good to see them start a garden, doesn't have to be huge, they could start small. A least they sit down as a family with real plates and g.

Theresa said...

how can the duggars eat well when they do all their shopping at aldi? That store is not known for health food. Most of it is processed. I don't think they eat meat/fish/chicken, veggies, potatoes. They eat a lot of casseroles full of canned soup and tater tots. Also if you look at their favorite recipies on their website, it's all junk.

I agree Josh is packing on the pounds.

Anonymous said...

When they grocery shop, they buy lots of chips, sodas and cream soups. Lots of processed foods. I don't see fruits or veggies. The only time I saw a salad was in one of the most recent episodes, and that was in response to the posters here. I would like to see them grow a garden and eat healthier. They don't need weight watchers. They just need to stop eating processed foods.

Anonymous said...

Why did Jana go to the meeting? She is very slender.

ljc said...

"Why did Jana go to WW?"

Have you ever seen Jim Bob fix a meal for himself? Jana has to go because she's the family cook.

Vegetables? Where? Oh you mean canned green beans? Yeah right. Where did that garden go?

They can't eat healthy because there's too many of them. Convenience/processed food is way too tempting when you're cooking for 20 people.

Anonymous said...

First of all, if you remember in the very first special, 14 kids and counting, they were headed over to the work site of the new house and the girls were making lunch. It WAS tator tot casserole, but they were also cutting up fresh oranges. It is getting so old to say that they only added in fresh things because of comments here. No, I don't think they eat very healthy, but they eat a fairly standard american diet.

I find it commical that someone mentions grilling food. Are you aware of the carcinogens that are formed when meat is grilled? Not exactly healthly either.

Also, some people just need to be able to trust them for what they say. When Michelle has described her schedule, she has said that she goes to the store every other day for something like 2 bags of apples, bunches of bannanas and milk etc. What we see when they shop at Aldi's is the stock up kinds of things for the pantry.(again, not very heathly, but most americans eat exactly the same,)

Oh, and they certainly are not keeping this show going so they can afford all these kids. How ignorant. They could afford thier kids before the show. Sure, its been a perk. They dress better now that they aren't so strapped financially for one thing. But please, they raised a mega family for what, about 18-19 years, DEBT FREE before TLC came along. They don't do this show for the money, they do it to be an encouragement to other families. And I am grateful that they put up with such hate and critisism because I am encouraged by them.

Mom of Nearly 8(does that count as not anonymous?)

Joanna said...

Most of us 'cant" afford fresh fruits and veggies on a daily basis. The meals I've seen, they always have fruits and vegitables avaliable at each meal. In fact, in a couple of interviews they stated that each child is required to eat a vegatable with each meal execpt breakfast and they always try to keep fresh fruit around. So what if it's from a can. (Although I personally perfer the frozen vegatables then cooking them on the stove)

I think they eat pretty well. So wait if they children get to enjoy some junk food. As long as they don't overdo and it and have a well balanced diet they are find. There is nothing wrong with having desert everyday if your diet is balanced and you exercise right. And these children aren't exectly sitting around all day long like many children these days are.

And I think I should note that they "do" have a vegatable garden and Michelle said that they children look forward to eating fresh vegatables. And pickles is a family favorite snack and is even used as a reward.

imaamy said...

Actually frozen vegetables have been shown to retain more nutrients than fresh since fresh sits in boxes so long before the consumer buys it at the store. The Duggars probably do eat the same as many Americans, but that doesn't mean it is an ideal diet.

Anonymous said...

Did they put in a garden this year? I know they had that friend do it last year. But how can they have a garden when they travel so much in the summer? It certainly would be an inexpensive way to get lots of produce, but you have to be around to tend to it.
I'm also confused by doing the show to be an encouragement to other families. I understand encouraging others in your life by supporting them but how is a show going to do that? What exactly are they trying to encourage?

Anonymous said...

"So what if it's from a can."

Canned veggies are less nutritious and have extra sodium. Pickles are also loaded with sodium, and I wouldn't count them as a good source of vegetable.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

wow, 29 comments before the show airs!

luvmybabies said...

Mom of Nearly 8, I agree with you. The Duggars are also a great encouragement to me and my family and I am grateful they do their show. To Anonymous - What are they trying to encourage? Aren't you inspired by how loving and respectful the parents treat their children? And by how cheerful and positive Michelle is? How she never raises her voice to her children or cuts them down? The children are respectful to each other and don't bicker constantly. The family is organized and the children are all hard workers. The Duggars live out their belief system, and they live debt free. I could go on and on. They are a wonderful example and inspiration to me.

I doubt they are motivated much by freebies, they were happy and debt-free before the show also. I always wonder how much they are aware of the abuse and criticism they receive on the internet, but it's just - wow. This is one of the nicer blogs about them and the criticisms are still cutting. If any of you have seen any of the other comments out there, you know they are hateful and horrible. That would be hard for me to take. It's interesting to me that something as natural and wonderful as having children generates such hate and controversy. Why do you think this is?

No the Duggar diet isn't "ideal", but compared to the standard America diet, it's not too bad. I know a lot of families that eat much worse than they do. And I know for myself, we eat better at some times than at others. It's hard to always eat fresh and not processed, especially with little kids. Are all the critical posters really perfect eaters all the time with their little ones gobbling down salad greens and brown rice right alongside them? Maybe they are, but I know my children and just life, makes it challenging to eat the ideal diet all the time.

Alli Byers said...

I think it's pretty obvious that the Duggar diet is working for them because:
1) There are no overweight or obese Duggar family members. They all look pretty healthy to me.
2) The kids never seem to complain at the table like most American kids about eating veggies or fruits.

I think some people need to lay off of them when it comes to what they eat. They're doing a heck of a lot better than probably 90% of Americans.

NancyN said...

Luvmybabies - I actually am not the least bit encouraged (whatever they mean by that word) by watching the Duggars. They do seem like nice people and they do seem to have nice children. And I don't judge their values or their choice to have so many kids (even though I don't agree with them) Michelle's sweet voice actually bugs me and I would not find her fun to hang out with although she does seem nice. I watch the show because I find their lifestyle different and interesting and I like to learn about different ways of living life. I used to love the show called 30 days(I think) where people lived 30 days in the life of a radically different style - one had a Christian with a Muslim family. One had a very conservative person living with a gay man in San Francisco. One had people trying to live on minimum wage and see what it really was like. Interesting. I try to be "encouraged" by people who are doing truly (IMO) amazing things - Mother Teresa, etc.

frugalchicken said...

I have to wonder about so many of the people who are commenting about the poor diet of the Duggars-have they ever watched the show? I have seen with every meal they have served fruits and veggies, this is old and new shows. Diets in the old days were not good but people were much more active then and so are the Duggars-the kids run, ride bikes,skate-all good forms of exercise for burning off the excess calories consumed in the foods that are less nutritious. If the children were shoved in front of the tv as so many are there might be more cause for concern. If anyone has read their book it does talk about the fact they grill, its something the guys do. Plus a few bags of chips between 20 people really doesn't equal out to much. Sodium should not be a huge concern as the kids are young, active, haven't any cardiac issues and drink plenty of water.

Anonymous said...

I agree that for the most part the Duggars have nice manners and certainly living debt-free is important. I am less encouraged by giving up my reproductive rights, the gendered existence, and lack of economic power and educational advancement that women would have if we followed their example. No one is going to encourage me to do any of those things since so many people worked so hard for me to get all of those things.
As for the criticism, some of it is distasteful, but some of it I think comes from a genuine concern for the politics behind their ideas. I think the Duggars genuinely believe everything that they say and do and are sincere in their desire to help others. I just don't think that this is the ideal lifestyle for most of us. It seems to me that TLC has chosen a pretty charmed family to represent these ideas and it misrepresents what the likely outcome of following through on their principles would mean for most of us.
I want to be very clear, there is nothing wrong with dedicating your life to raising a family. I think it is so important that fathers should be just as involved as mothers. But there is also nothing wrong with dedicating your life to say teaching, social work, being a doctor, etc. either and I think that pursuing an education is noble thing,not something to be feared and avoided, particularly if you use that education to better the world.

Joanna said...

OK episode. I really enjoyed Johanna. I always enjoy her.

kidznpupz said...

Did anybody notice Michelle feeding Jordyn flat on her back on the couch? She was spoon feeding her cereal or something while the infant laid flat on her back. It's a miracle Jordyn didn't choke. Hasn't Michelle ever heard that you shouldn't lie down with food in your mouth? A baby should NEVER be fed solid food while lying flat- she will choke. Someone is watching over those kids,

luvmybabies said...

NancyN - as the mother of a large family myself, to me it is "amazing" that Michelle is able to speak sweetly to her children and discipline them with kindness. As a child from a contentious and abusive home, this is more than a superficial nicety to me.

I'm aware that people who disagree with the Duggars choices aren't encouraged by them. Many people watch them just because they are so different and fascinating and/or strange. What I was pointing out is that I believe the reason the Duggars do their show is not for fame or money, it is to encourage people, their definition of encourage being similar to "uplift". And I know that some people, like me, are indeed encouraged by it.

Seeing them successfully raising a large family into adults with good values that positively contribute to the world encourages me in my efforts. I don't feel like the Duggars are trying to encourage people to adopt their values, "give up their reproductive rights, live a gendered existence", etc. I think we've seen they're not judgmental people - more people should give them the same courtesy.

Willow #1 said...

I loved this episode for some reason. I enjoyed Michelle talking about her kids and little Johanna and Jennifer. I also really enjoyed seeing Jim (the camera man) and his girls. How cute and sweet they are. The Duggars are so kind to let everyone's families come over. Remember when Scott's (I think it was Scott?) family came over for the Christmas parade? Its like when they get together with the Bates family, the kids just all seem to have a lot of fun together. The WW part of the show was interesting also. Just so like ordinary life. I really liked the last 2 episodes. I agree, I think Jana went to the WW meeting to learn about cooking healthy. I hope there is news about Josh and Anna's baby before their season is over.

Jackie said...

Did anyone else notice that in the Duggar girl's room there were matching pillows, blankets and bedspreads and in the boys room there were only mattress and a sheets?

Any thoughts?

Ladylou said...

While I was watching the show tonight I saw myself looking closely at Jana. I found myself trying to put me into her shoes.

What would happen if she wanted to have a career such as teaching. It is a respectable career and we need wonderful compassionate teachers in our schools.
Would she be "allowed?" What if she decides she didn't really want all the children God saw fit to bless her with? Two or three children would be all she knew she could "mother" and remain sane?
I don't believe all the girl's in the Duggar family want to practice what is being preached. They surely have some thoughts and want to do "something" with the lives God has blessed them with?

I think being a wife and a mom to as many children she can have is what Michelle lives for. But how do you instill in your grown daughters that they have to be exactly like you?
Her and Jim-Bob seem like great parents... wouldn't they want their children to find their dreams in whatever way they choose?

Mrs P said...

The Duggars (and my family) believe that we are not to live our lives for ourselves. We are to live our lives for God and do what He wants us to do. It's about what He wants, not what we want. We need to die to self, and do His will, and only then will we be happy and content.

So the answer is yes, they'd want their children to follow their dreams, *if* those dreams align with God's will for that child.
If not, then they (and we) would counsel that child against following that dream, b/c a person can never be truly happy or content unless they are in God's will.

Mrs P

Anonymous said...

I was very surprised (and concerned) that after 18 children, Michelle would feed a baby lying flat on her back. Even my daughter, age 12, knew better and commented on that. Even she knew that baby Jordyn could choke being fed that way! Why would Michelle do that? She isn't a new mother who doesn't know any better!!

Anonymous said...

This show was fine. I thought we would see a little more of Josh and Anna since the pregnancy is so close now. I am very curious about the next show...the vow renewal did not work out that well for J&K. The little ones were cute...I am more curious about the older ones.

Snap! said...

Jackie- I noticed the same thing about the boys room- maybe it was laundry day and they just got around to putting on the bottom sheet?
They often lend the boys room out to visiting families- the boys then sleep on their bus. Maybe the family visiting last episode had just left?
The boys room is not as fancy as the girls- but I can't imagine the Duggars letting their boys sleep without pillows or sheets.

winsomeone said...

I also was shocked to see Michelle feeding the baby while she was lying flat. And the oatmeal, or whatever seemed so very thick for a baby, with no milk on it? Plus, shouldn't the baby be walking now, or close to it? She doesn't even seem to sit up alone yet?

Anonymous said...

Again we see that safety is an issue. After 18 kids Michelle should know better than to feed a baby who is lying flat. Then we see Jim Bob flinging those hand weights around while sitting next to the baby.The two giddy teenagers act is getting old.

Please sign me "I don't get it"

Tammy C said...

Jana proably figured out a long time ago if she goes to the meetings it gets her out of the house!

Cute for the show to film Johannah.

Anonymous said...

I thought this was a sweet show. Yes, Duggar cuisine is ... not something I would want to eat everyday. However, they are learning better habits, and they try very hard to take care of each other.

What struck me most was the camera man's family visit. His daughters played freely with the friendly Duggars. Can you imagine what would have happened, if this happened with the Gosselins? I'm happy for him, for working with the Duggars instead.

Hopewell said...

I liked that Jana goes to WW. She figured out a way to get one-on-one attention AND a break from "parenting" all at the same time!

Johanna was really cute. I liked that this episode wasn't a re-do of "On the road with Jon/Kate+8. [Next week's is] Give us more of this and fewer stupid road trips. On my blog I posted the episodes I want them to do!

Really hope they'll give us some homeschool--how about a look at the Duggars AND the Bates during a school day? We could then see the (hopefully) finished Bates re-model and new baby. What do Jana, JD, Jill and Jessa do all day while the younger ones are doing school?

There wasn't much of J/A--THANK YOU. So sick of them and their constant PDA. They can have one episode when the baby is born and maybe one about their first days as parents. That's enough!

Give us a normal day for the "older teens," Michelle & JB to go with homeschool.

Anonymous said...

"Did anyone else notice that in the Duggar girl's room there were matching pillows, blankets and bedspreads and in the boys room there were only mattress and a sheets?"

Maybe they were in the wash?

NancyN said...

Mrs P - I admire that you and the Duggar's live your lives according to your perception of God's will. I am confused about how you always know what it is. Do you really mean that God will "speak" to Jana and tell her it's okay to be a teacher or something besides/in addition to being a housewife? How does she know it's God and not Satan? How do you know that JB should go to WW? Maybe it's God's will that he gain weight? I guess I just don't get it.

Enough with the Multiples said...

Couldn't help but think of the following things when I saw last night's episode:

1. Is Jana going to WW in preparation for the future pounds she will put on if she follows her parents anti-birth control life style where she has many many pregnancies?

2. If Michelle and family think that Chick-fil-a has such a good work philosphy/manners policy, why don't they let some of the older kids get part time jobs there? Atleast it would get them out in the world with other teenagers.

3. Isn't there a high chair somewhere in that house to feed baby Jordan? Clearly if she's old enough for baby food, she's old enough to sit up. Can't possibly be good for her digestion, not to mention the threat of choking.

ProudGran said...

When Michelle is recovering from childbirth or is sick and can't homeschool her children. Who replaces her? One of the older girls or Jim-Bob?

nccalgal said...

When Johannah was running around in the boys' bedroom, there was a ladder going up to another room. Is there another bedroom up there? That just looked like an accident waiting to happen when she was throwing things down from there. The ladder seems to be right in the middle of several beds.
Again we see "outsiders" socializing with this family. I don't see the Duggars as isolated from the real world. Yes, their closest friends follow the same beliefs, but isn't that what draws most of us to the ones we consider to be our closest friends, similar interests and outlooks on life? That doesn't mean we exclude others as friends or acquaintances. As Mrs. P noted, when we believe that God has a purpose and plan for each one of us, and that he created each gender to fulfill certain roles, our perspective changes and consequently we are content with our place in the home and family. That doesn't mean that we all have to model the Duggars, nor does it mean all their children will live exactly as their parents do. Grace through faith frees us from a strict code of conduct (legalism), but we are still obliged to live a life that is pleasing to God.

Anonymous said...

I do think that the Duggars are interested in getting others to subscribe to their views. Jim Bob's failed campaign for the U.S. Senate was considered to be a one-issue campaign, namely stopping abortion. While he has every right to campaign on whatever causes he chooses, I also don't think that this means he's tolerant of my choices as a woman. The conferences that they attend teach among other things that women are to be submissive to men and questioning gender roles is not accepting God's plan for you which of course for women is being a wife and mother using an interesting interpretation of the Bible to justify this. I also don't see this as tolerant of all the options available to me as a woman. I'd rather see Duggars teaching their children to be advocates for justice for all people than accepting their inferiority as women. Just because they do it with nice manners doesn't mean it isn't restrictive and controlling and harmful to all women.

Save the Girls said...

What bothers me about the Duggars, and other communities like theirs, is that they rely on modern conveniences and technology, particularly medicine, but they will never make a contribution to it. Michelle isn't hesitant to go get an ultrasound when she is preggers, but her kids don't seem to have the option to become doctors, especially her girls.

The God's will thing will only carry you so far. God helps those who help themselves. I truly believe God wants us to be happy. I just feel for Jana and the older girls, they haven't been assimilated into society enough to see what they could be missing.

How could you NOT encourage your kids to go out in the world and learn more?! College could have done wonders for a bright kid like Josh, but instead he sits in a used car lot office all day. I admire Jim Bob's entrepreneurial spirit, but his kids have to make their own way.

I get it (but then I don't) said...

I cannot believe that Jana is the family cook. What the heck does Michelle do except pop out kids? Or "speak sweetly" while disciplining them. That's not how my family operates, and I do not envy the Duggars for one nanosecond.

I do think their lifestyle is extreme, and don't agree with their religious beliefs regarding reproduction (I bet they would change their tune if every family in this county had 18 kids. They would be supporting them with the astronomical tax dollars they would pay on their used car and cell phone tower income).

I'm digressing, my point was that I completely respect their choice to live like they do, to have all the kids chip in, etc. I enjoy watching their show as entertainment, I can't say it inspires much in me, or "encourages." I think their diet is pretty typical, no problem there. Although I don't know that TaterTot casserole sounds like something you should eat all the time.

I don't have a problem with their religion, diets, parenting style. I DO have a problem with guilting your kids into the same lifestyle you chose. Remember, the 18 kids didn't choose this, Michelle and Jim Bob did. All the kids seem to be limited in their options, the girls in particular. They are in a position where choosing something different would dissapoint their parents, which is just awful. They are literally stuck.

Anonymous said...

Johanna is a live wire and I hope she stays that way. I fear, however, that as she gets older her adventurous, open and exuberant escapades will be brought to heel. Or, (an this is my fantasy) she'll be the one who breaks away and becomes an adventurous, avowed secular humanist who travels the world doing good works .

Anonymous said...

It was nice that the sound man's children visited. I wonder if there are plans to let the Duggar girls/boys leave the compound and experience life on the outside as individuals?

I think Jana joined WW (not many courtship possibilities at the meeting we saw) just to get out of the house and be recognized as an individual. I'd rather see her interacting as a autonomous young adult with people her own age - maybe away training to be a midwife (I think that's an area of interest for her).

Swissmiss150 said...

As far as a comparison of bedding between the boys and girls, maybe the boys don't care that much.

TLC (or the production company) paid for most of the furnishing for the Duggar home. They also gave them the services of a professional decorator. I feel sure that either the bedding was part of the move-in OR maybe the kids got it but don't care enough to use everything.

On the Little People Big World show, also on TLC, the kids in that family don't even bother to put their sheets on their beds, I think.

Anonymous said...

I still love the Duggars, but I do agree that some of their actions are so strange. I was a little alarmed that Michelle seemed so pumped about Jim Bob and Jana going to WW. Jana clearly has a really nice (and quite slender) body... I hope she's not trying to lose weight. And Jim Bob doesn't look overweight to me at all. And even if you're trying to lose weight, why on Earth would you be eating a plate of stewed tomatoes rather than a complete meal?! Did anyone else see that? He should still have balance to his diet... I don't see what good those tomatoes would have done for him. And for Michelle to tell him that working out would make him gain weight because muscle weighs more - does she not realize that regardless of the number on the scale, working out would be a really good idea? Oh, and about the pickles... Pickles don't have a whole lot of nutritional value to them. Think about it - They just sit and soak in salt-laden preservative water in a jar. You get more sodium out of them than anything... I wouldn't even consider them a legitimate vegetable. Eat a fresh cucumber instead! The whole thing was bizarre.

Willow #1 said...

Yes, I also caught my breath when I saw Michelle feeding the baby like that. I kept thinking that I was seeing things!!! I love the Duggars' spirit, etc., but there are a couple of areas I have noticed where I am dumbfounded. The stairs and upper balcony in their home, alone, would scare me to death. And the ladder used to jump on the top bunks - I don't know, maybe with so many kids they get used to it, but it would give me fits. The bunk beds are o.k., but I think the ladder set-up is a little much for the youngest guys. Maybe they should split up the older and younger boys into 2 different bedrooms? I guess their kids got used to stairs, ladders, etc. at very young ages and therefore they manage it fine. But I shudder.

I agree with the poster about the God's will thing. I think I understand the Duggars' belief on things, but I too wonder about how the parents know when it is God's will for their kids? Like, when Josh had to talk to his parents about whether Anna was the right one and they agreed. Why couldn't Josh pray and receive his answer from God on his own? I think Anna's father said something similar. Very interesting and very different from my experiences in a Christian family.. but fun to watch!

Diane said...

For whatever reason there is never bedding on the boys beds. I heard they put it away probably in the storage area in their room everyday. Maybe the boys were making a mess of the beds making tents and having pillow fights so they put the bedding away now.

As for homeschooling, It seems Jill, Jessa and Jinger are in charge of that. Michelle may lead the afternoon lesson with the older kids but that's about it. Most of the kids learn on the computer and don't need an adult.

Snap! said...

The ladder in the middle of the room leads to a loft where the kids play. There is also a slide that goes from the boys room to a play room downstairs.
I've noticed that the Duggars really let their kids explore and are not overly concerned with safety. The kids never seem to get injured- so they must be doing something right.
One thing that surprised me was when Michelle was feeding Jordyn flat on the couch(odd?) and Jim Bob was doing weights inches away!!! What if a barbell slipped onto the baby- not the best place to do weights Jim Bob.
Michelle doesn't seem to homeschool the kids anymore- the older kids do online schooling and the younger ones run free until a buddy rounds them up for some teaching!!
Do you think Anna no longer wants to be on the show? And what happened to cousin Amy?? Maybe she's teaching Anna a thing or two off screen.

Anonymous said...

I agree about the stewed tomatoes...that didn't look at all appealing next to the pizzas. They could have at least made them in a soup or with a bit of pasta for heaven's sake.

I agree, too, that Michelle seemed a tad bit too excited about the WW thing. Was this before she found out she was expecting #19? Also, JB must not have a great deal of will power or self control if he has to resort to WW. For some reason (biology, I guess), all the guys I have ever known (of any age) lose weight easy by simply cutting back on the snacks and doing minimal exercise. All the gals work twice as hard for half the results.

-Katydid

Anonymous said...

Feeding Jordyn lying flat on her back (and I have never seen her sit up---isn't she at least eight or nine months old?), letting Johanna jump up and down those ladders with a ceiling fan inches away, one of the boys chewing on a crutch last week, climbing to the rafters and sticking their heads out the roof, kids walking around construction sites or doing construction without appropriate safety equipment, Michelle pushing the bus while holding her "buddy" in the nursing "buddy"....this isn't letting kids explore, but is putting them in harm's way!

I don't think Michelle or Jim Bob have common sense as parents. The way JB was pumping up with those barbells right near the kids, or Johanna and one of the boys playing with coins right near Jordyn, and then leaving her there (where there could have been coins left that she could have swallowed)...I am just horrified that an experienced mother of almost 19 children would be so foolish about child safety.

Mrs P said...

Since a couple of you asked (and nicely, which I appreciate :)), the way we know God's will is to pray, read the Bible, and ask Him to show us His will. God does 'speak to our hearts' through the Holy Spirit. It's not an 'audible' voice (usually, although I would not doubt someone who said they heard one ), just a voice that speaks to your heart. The Bible says He speaks to us in a 'still small voice'.

Also, if what we 'hear' or think does not line up with God's word, then it is not His will. The Bible is infallible and never wrong.

I know many will hate this next part, but if my husband says no, then it's not God's will either, b/c God has placed him as the head of the family. NOT to be a dictator, but as the head of our family to lead us.

Someone else asked:
"The God's will thing will only carry you so far. God helps those who help themselves. I truly believe God wants us to be happy."

It's not a 'thing'. :) It's a belief, a faith. It's having FAITH that God knows best. The sentiment of 'God helps those who help themselves' is *not* in the Bible, and is not true. God helps the helpless. We are to humble ourselves and ask His will and His help. We can do nothing without Him(that is also in the Bible). God does want us to be happy. But the Bible tells us that we are to 'content in whatever state we're in', in other words happiness is a *choice*. We should be happy and content in whatever God wills for our lives. THat is not always easy, but with God, all things are possible.

Mrs P

CappuccinoLife said...

WW-not everybody who goes there is there to lose weight. I don't think Jana needs to lose weight at all, and nobody during the show said so, actually, but...she may be interested in nutrition, she may enjoy the time out, and she may have recognized unhealthy eating habits in herself and decided she wanted the accountability. I noted that Michelle said Jana was the first one to go, and she made the decision several years ago.

So now we criticize them when an older child does make an autonamous choice?

I, too, did not like that moment when Michelle was feeding the baby. Possibly a cultural thing?

QuadMom said...

Annonymous said....
"I am less encouraged by giving up my reproductive rights"

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Part of having reproductive rights is the right to chose how many children you have, whether that choice be to have 19 kids or no kids at all. The Duggars are simply choosing to use their rights in a way not many other people would have the courage and strength to do.

Anonymous said...

I'd like to respond to Mrs. P's lengthy comment about following God's will. I am a firm believer in following God's will for our lives, but I have a question (anyone can feel free to answer this). When it comes to reproductive issues and the Bible, I'm trying to understand God's will. I don't believe in abortion, I DEFINITELY believe in following the Bible, BUT... I am a young newlywed and already have a history of serious reproductive problems. Not in terms of getting pregnant, but just problems with things not working correctly otherwise. Getting pregnant seems like a TERRIBLE idea for someone like me, although I really want to do God's will. I'm curious about what Mrs. P and others who believe that EVERYONE should do EVERYTHING that the Bible says would think about my situation. If the role of a woman is to raise children, and if my husband wants children, does that mean that no matter what, I should try having children, even though I don't believe I am supposed to? Mrs. P said that God will reveal the truth to us, but it should line up with the Bible. I believe God wants me to adopt rather than have children of my own, but adoption is nowhere to be found in the Bible. So which is it? Do I follow what I believe is right for MY unique life, or do I do what everyone in the Bible did? Is Mrs. P saying that these examples are right for EVERYONE, even if our circumstances differ from those of the people in the Bible? I ask this kindly, as I'm personally struggling to come to terms with things like this. I believe in doing God's will, but I know that I am very different from most women in terms of the reproductive health issues that I have, and these issues aren't mentioned anywhere in the Bible, so what am I supposed to make of this? If I choose not to attempt to have any children, am I not following God's will?
-Jean

Rory said...

Would someone please take the pacifier away from Jennifer? She's 2 years old now and doesn't need that thing! Don't Michelle and Jim Bob know that prolonged pacifier usage can lead to speech problems/delays and can wreak havoc on a child's teeth?

imaamy said...

I just got High Def and everyone looks wide! Not sure why people like it so much. Anyway, Jana has a full face but she isn't heavy. Maybe she was gaining before we started seeing her weekly?

QuadMom said...

Michelle mentioned in the beginning that Jana had been going to Weight Watchers for several years now. It's quite possible that Jana was a bit overweight then and chose to join WW as a way to lose weight and as a choice for a healthier lifestyle. Being a member myself, WW is a lifetime commitment. Even once you lose your weight, as mentioned in the show, you remain a member and attend meeting for support and tips. My guess is Jana is at her target weight but enjoys learning more about a healthy lifestyle as well as the continuing support from other members. Weight Watchers is a wonderful program and without it I would have never been abel to lose my baby weight from have quads. I reached my target weight years ago but still attend meetings as often as I can, there is always more to learn and I think it's wonderful that Michelle uses it and encourages her daughter to do the same. Weight Watchers is an especially healthy choice for younger girls to not only lose weight but learn how to life healthy, rather then falling victim to a fad diet with only short term results.

chocolatebee said...

I loved seeing my favorite Duggar, Johannah, featured. She is such a ball of energy and has such a charismatic personality at such a young age.She reminds me of my daughter. I have said before that the Duggars don't always seem to discipline or supervise their children adequately so it is a true blessing that none of the children have ever been severely injured.They all seem to play and rough house kind of freely.I was mortified that Michelle was feeding baby Jordyn as she lay on the couch.I know everyone has different ways of parenting and obviously Michelle is a great mom but that just added to the list of questionable choices she makes.None the less it was still a good episode.

Annie said...

Jean,
Adoption is everywhere in the Bible!

Moses was adopted into pharoh's family

Jesus was adopted, as a child, by Joseph

Esther was adopted by her uncle Mordecai

We Christians are adopted into God's family

There are too many more to mention. Go to www.biblegateway.com and search keyword adoption and you will see what I mean.

I am an adoptive mother and its the most beautiful thing in the world!

Anonymous said...

To Anonymous who asked about God's will in her life...

I also believe in following God's will. The tricky thing is that while how we should live some aspects of our lives is quite clear in the Bible (example - You shall have no other gods before me. Exodus 20:3), others aren't so clear. This is why it is important to prayerfully consider God's will and seek wise counsel.

Personally, I do not believe anything in the Bible indicates that God does not want his children to use birth control. This is what I do believe: Yes, children are a blessing from God. That does not mean that waiting to have a child or not having a child because of health problems is a sin, as long as you joyfully celebrate each child you do have, regardless of whether or not you planned that child.

As for adoption in the Bible, let me refer you to a particular verse. James 1:27 - Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress. I believe this verse clearly shows that adoption is something that pleases and honors God. I would also like to recommend that you check out Matthew 25, which talks about caring for people in need, which would certainly apply to children in need of adoptive homes.

With all this said, I'm a stranger on the Internet. While I hope to encourage you, I would recommend that you discuss these issues first of all with you husband. After that, I would recommend that the two of you talk to fellow Christians who you trust. This could be your pastor, a parent, anyone who you trust to guide you.

My heart goes out to you in this situation. I hope you can come to a decision and have peace with it. My guess is that there is a beautiful baby out there, deeply loved by God, in desperate need of a home, who would soak up all the love you have to offer.

Blessings,
Emily

Joanna said...

Well said Emily. Everything.

nccalgal said...

Jean,
The Bible says alot about adoption, in fact, that is the picture that Paul uses to illustrate what God does when we come to Him through faith in Christ, he adopts us as his children. Adoption is a noble calling and for some, could be what God desires for them. The Bible also counsels us to seek the advise and wisdom of godly people that God puts in our lives. You probably have had this conversation with your doctor and you need to take this advise into consideration as well. Bottom line, it is a decision that ultimately between you and your husband. Obviously, if your life or health could be jeopardized God created us with rational minds and I don't find anything in the Bible that says we're to throw all caution to the wind and tempt fate.

Sharla said...

Since the Duggars bring their religious beliefs into the show we do allow some freedom in religious discussions. However, there are limits. If your comment was not allowed, it's because we don't allow a completely free for all religious discussion. Telling people that they belong to a cult, that their religious beliefs are wrong, too extreme, etc., isn't being kind to the other readers. Thanks.

Mrs P said...

Not sure if my comment will go through. Someone asked, so I'm answering:

No, I have no issues with adoption! My own brother is adopted and I love him dearly.

The choices my family and I have made are things God has convicted *our family* of. I would never presume to tell someone else what to do about birth control or wearing dresses etc(which the Duggars also say in their book).

There are things that the Bible lays out in black and white, and there are also personal convictions.


All I was saying was that everyone should seek God's will for themselves and make sure what they believe the Lord is telling them lines up with the Bible.
Mrs P

jessica said...

Anonymous said: "(I bet they would change their tune if every family in this county had 18 kids. They would be supporting them with the astronomical tax dollars they would pay on their used car and cell phone tower income)."

Huh?? I don't get this logic. Only if all these other families were on welfare would this be the case. Maybe they would be, but if the Duggars can do it without welfare, most others could too. The Duggars don't even have one college degree between the two of them, for Pete's sake. It's just plain old hard work, frugality, and money management.

Sarah said...

Jean,

I'm going through a similar situation as you. I have PCOS, and there is a huge possibility that having a baby "naturally" isn't possible. It's been super hard for me to come to grips with the idea because my dream has always been to be a good wife and mother. I went to college, got my degree, got married, and thought that a baby would be the next step. It just hasn't happened that way.

My husband and I are very seriously considering adoption. We've actually always talked about it-- even before we found out about my medical issue. I believe that the bible says a ton about adoption. In fact, we're to "take care of the widow and orphan"! I'm sorry about what you're going through, and I'll be praying that God shows you what his will is!

As for the show, I'm glad to see anyone taking charge of their health. Kudos for Jana for taking charge of her health at a young age! I think this family is more "normal" (whatever that means) then people would like to give them credit for. Sure, they're different. Different isn't always bad. I don't think they discourage their family from going to college. There is money in trades. As a college graduate that has never "used" her degree, can I say that college isn't everything?! I have a great job in radio that I LOVE, and I make a decent living. I don;t think we have enough information from the source to determine if Jana, or John David or anyone else in the family have been discouraged from getting a "real" education, or a "real" job. When I saw Jim Bob and Michelle speak in a church in my town, they said that most of the kids want to do things that don't require a formal degree. Better that then forcing their kids to go to college if it's not for them...

roddma said...

I said before I disagree with the whole Quiverfull concept. It makes woman feel less of a woman if they cant conceive, It is not Biblical or Christian at all but a word in the Bible taken out of context. Women shouldnt feel this way. "He"gave us brains to use and I suggest we use them. God is still in charge whether you use birth control or not. Furthermore, what if the wrong person gets the idea of 18 kids? What if the couple divorces, husband gets disabled, or dies and the mother has no skills? What about Quiverfull type families like the Duggars barely surviving eating Ramen noodles but yet keep having children? There are all all kinds of things to think about.I only see positve sides here. Not only you trust'His will' or that God will provide but you must help yourself too and use common sense. This is nothing against large families but I got the idea of one size fits all from the show.
Now back on topic
1)Proudgranma I cant envision JB homeschooling lol
2)Its nice to see the Duggars playng with different kids other than their own kind.
3) Yes the balcony scares me too as someone mentioned
4) I dont think Jana is overweight

roddma said...

Sorry God does help those who help themselves. There is a difference in being helpless and lazy like sititng on your caboose waiting for 'Him' to provide food money other essentials. Since refercnes to the Bible are being brought up, slothfulness is a sin.

All For Freedom said...

Telling other posters what to believe in is not kind, per the mods previous post.

Specifically, previously posted: "everyone should seek God's will for themselves and make sure what they believe the Lord is telling them lines up with the Bible.
Mrs P".

What about people whose religious beliefs have nothing to do with the Bible?

There are quite a number of religions not based on Christianity, for example, Hindus and Buddhists.

If we're going to allow a discussion of religion here, then allow discussions based on the reality that not all religious beliefs "line up with the bible" as that is not a point of reference for a lot of people.

Midwest Mom said...

Tell me it isn't so !

I saw a preview of Michelle Duggar trying on wedding dresses at Kleinfeld's (aka "Say Yes To The Dress").....

I don't like the direction this show is heading.........seems to very materialistic for a show claiming to be wholesome family entertainment.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Why all the spectulation about why Jana went to the WW meeting when the show made it clear that Jana has been working with WW for a long time, long before her father needed it.

luvmybabies said...

Although I agree it was a little odd that Michelle was feeding baby Jordyn baby food while lying flat, I think we may making too much out of this. It isn't as if Michelle were feeding her Gobstoppers. It was baby food, and even if Jordyn had gotten some down her windpipe, or some had gotten stuck in her throat, she would begin coughing, Michelle would sit her upright, and she would quickly be fine. She isn't going to asphyxiate irreversibly on a spoonful of baby food. People routinely feed babies that age formula in bottles lying flat on their backs, which being a liquid, is much more likely to be aspirated into their lungs. When babies do accidentally get some formula or baby food down the wrong hatch, they sputter and cough and then they are fine, even when lying flat. Some parents do make sure their babies' heads are slightly elevated when drinking a bottle, but a lot of us will give babies that age a bottle to hold themselves in their crib, etc. It isn't considered dangerous other than it can theoretically increase the risk of ear infections in babies who are prone to that.

Also, to the poster who asked if baby Jordyn should be walking yet -no. My baby girl is the same age as Jordyn, and she is sitting up and just learning to crawl.

And I would like to echo all the great comments that have been made to the poster wondering about God's will for her to try to get pregnant. The scriptures weren't designed to describe what we should do in every conceivable situation in life, that isn't possible. The scriptures teach us God's principles that we are supposed to follow for our happiness here on earth, and then we apply them in our lives. Adoption is for some families the plan the Lord has for them. I believe the reason some families are unable to have biological children is because there are babies already here who are supposed to be theirs. I have many friends who have adopted and it is so much fun. It is a special miracle. Pray sincerely and you will know what you are supposed to do.

Anonymous said...

Hi Midwest Mom. I saw the wedding dress promo too. That *has* to be TLC's idea. The whole fish-out-of-water thing. I have a feeling it will be a bit like watching a train-wreck. I believe I heard JB and/or Josh ask about "poofy sleeves" ??!!

-Katydid

gotsomewheelsnow said...

Weight Watchers is more than a diet, it's a lifestyle change. Hopefully, Michelle and Jana will help JimBob with it. I've never had personal experience with WW, but have had friends who have and when they fall away from the weight watcher system (for lack of a better word) they tend to gain back all the weight they've lost and then some.

I suspect, as others have said, that Jana understands that it is a real commitment that has to be kept in order to keep off the pounds.

BoyMom said...

"Maybe they would be, but if the Duggars can do it without welfare, most others could too. The Duggars don't even have one college degree between the two of them, for Pete's sake. It's just plain old hard work, frugality, and money management."

This statement is not entirely true. The Duggar's lifestyle of today is radically different from their lifestyle before TLC/Discovery. They lived in a tiny house, wore older looking clothes and had a few old cars. They now live in a HUGE home, fully and professionally decorated, have shiny buses and RV's, have money to install basketball courts and go on summer-long roadtrips. I don't begrudge the Duggar's any of those things. I love this family. But it is not a true representation of what larger families live like. The Bates small house and homemade clothes is closer to it.

Swissmiss150 said...

I somehow missed seeing this episode and in checking the TLC website, they don't seem to be repeating it anytime in the next couple weeks. I'm so disappointed.

Maybe Jim Bob didn't want them to rerun it (joke).

Anonymous said...

Just the clarify, the Duggars large home is not a product of them being apart of TLC now. They started building that home themselves long before TLC came along, as we saw documented in their specials. After what I believe was 3 years of work themselves Jim Bob realized he needed some more skilled help and that when when their contractor friend (who also helped in the recent episode about the concrete patio) came and lended his expertise. TLC came through bearly at the end of construction and helped with finishing touches and the Duggars have mentioned that several times and have showed true gratefullness for what they receieved. Yes, before the show they lived in a small house for several years, but that is becuase they were saving for their new house and ultimately building it. I think it's quite likely we will experience their smae graciousness in the new episode about the dress.

SugarBooger said...

I try to feed my children a wide selection of fruits and veggies, but my teenage son alone can clean out an entire bag of apples or oranges alone... So we tend to buy convience food just to fill his gullet (and the teen girls in this house aren't shy with the food either)... Sometimes we just HAVE to so someone else can have a crack at the food... Can't imagine how it must be with as many teens and pre-teens living in the Duggar household....

jessica said...

BoyMom:

What I said was that the Duggars are/were supporting their family without welfare, and that if they could do it, a lot of other people could too. I didn't say most large families can live the way the Duggars do now. Even when they were living without some of the extras they have now, they were always self-sufficient and supported their family themselves.

Sharla said...

Anonymous, your post was not allowed. It was rejected not because of it's religious views, but because of tone, attitude, being directed at the moderators, and generally not following the rules. If you wish to discuss differences between the Duggars and Jewish customs and can relate it to an episode and not a free for all religious discussion, you'll be welcome to do that.

As far as I know none of the moderators follow the Duggar way of life so we are not biased in their favor. Some of the comments against the Duggar views go beyond acceptable polite conversational bounds and slide into name calling and calumny and are frequently a purely religious diatribe and not related to an episode or public report about the Duggars.

I hope that explanation helps clarify the boundaries.

Willow #1 said...

It has been seen on TV and mentioned SO many times on this blog ---- The Duggars had their new house almost completely finished before TLC. TLC helped them with the last little bit and decorated it for them. They then waited another year for central air. They saved many years so they could build the new house. They probably were making do with smaller houses so they could save. I do agree, however, that not all families have the Duggars' personalities and will power, etc. Every one of us, small or large families, have different talents and different obstacles to overcome. The Duggars are smart and dedicated to their finances and also, I suspect, a tad bit lucky.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

They built the large house before TLC. Yes, TLC helped them with the finishing of it so they got in a few months earlier but they would have had that larger house without TLC. The shiny bus you made reference to was bought used. One of the vehicles they have he bought two older ones and put them together. I think they would live much like they do now without TLC. They had an RV for vacations before they got the bus in which they fixed up themselves putting in the bunk beds. They had a bus for transportation before as well before TLC. They took trips to DC and Texas before TLC and I do believe they said they went to El Salvador each Christmas to give the orphans a party so that too has not changed them that much. They still buy used clothing and the girls still wear those long jean skirts so I do not seem them totally changed. Yes, maybe a few perks but their lifestyle has not completely changed as some are implying.

imaamy said...

There was very old country style frilly furniture in the small house. Now what they have is selected by a decorator and therefore looks better on camera. If anyone here knows a huge family IRL who can live like the Duggars without a TV network supporting them, I'd be interested.

roddma said...

just because someone isn't on welfare doesnt mean they dont get help elsewhere or werent on it in the past. And some say they arent on welfare and are or ate last on food stamps. While the Duggars dont get any gov assitance they did receive donations from church in the early days I read.I can understand buying used clothing for kids because they outgrow them fast but you can take buying used and save the diff too far. I also read they make 25,000 to 40,000 depending on the budget.Some people do good making this in one year. it wouldnt hurt the kids to have a new item sometimes at those figures. The Duggars could buy the young adults fairly nice homes, send them to school and let them get some independence. Not many parents of fewer children have this oppurtunity.

Anonymous said...

If one looks at the first episodes of the Duggars, back when if was like the 15th, not 19th child they were expecting, their lifestyle looked very different indeed. They wore long jumpers or matching dresses that might have been homemade, and had very unstylish hair, no makeup. Their home was tiny with mismatched furniture. Tater Tot casserole was their favorite meal (self declared).

Now they live in a designer home with gorgeous kitchens, the children no longer wear matching gowns but name=brand fashions and knee length skirts (like many girls; not all girls wear trashy miniskirts), they have styled their hair, wear makeup. It even looks like they go tanning (unhealthy, but they have color to their skin now).

It seems that they have changed a lot, and how could they not? They are now celebrities on national television, with people commenting on them all the time, recognizing them in faraway cities, etc. I don't think anyone could go from being a nobody to a celebrity and NOT be changed!!

Anonymous said...

I agree that the Bates family is a better representation of what life would be like for most people with such a large family. I read that the Bates qualified for welfare but chose not to use it. This gives us a sense of the level of income that they have. Also, none of these families has a child or children with serious health problems (as far as we know) and have men who are able to work. The Duggars from what I can tell have been wise and lucky with their investements. Jim Bob says that it is the cell phone tower property that they rent that mostly supports their family. I do think that Jim Bob is a good business man and has made the most of what he has. Not all men are going to be able to do that particularly when they don't start off with an education.
As for their children not wanting formal education, Gothard and ATI discourage all of this and imply if not directly state that being a good Christian entails avoiding "secular" institutions or any institutions that don't follow their particular version of Christianity which only leaves his associated programs. The Duggar kids wanting to be good Christians are following the program. Basically they cannot be under other people's authority who are not their father, their minister, their husband, or God. They aren't making the choice based on career options or from a perspective of having lots of choices. I wish that they were more aware how extreme this point of view is and that most Christians don't see a problem with attending college.
As for the Bible being inerrant, there are other religions who feel the same way about their books. And we know historically that the Bible like all books has been edited repeatedly and changed over time. At different times, in response to criticisms and the politics of the time, verses were excluded or added. At this point, most of us (hopefully all of us) condemn slavery, rape, and concubines because we see those as cultural by-products and not in the spirit of most of the Bible. It is time to do the same with these verses about the submission of women. After all, in the early church, women were a large part of the following. But then I'm more of a liberation theology person which certainly conflicts with the Duggars point of view.

mythreesons said...

In response to "All for Freedom",
Since the Duggars faith and lifestyle is rooted in Christianity, when a poster poses a question or opinion about some part of their life, it is only logical that others who also have Christian beliefs are going to base their responses on scripture. Also, Mrs. P was responding to another poster's question on how does one know what is God's will. She was not telling everyone to believe that way.

Wait a minute said...

First off, from what I saw on tv they had about 5 years of building themselves before TLC helped out. And the frame wasn't even complete at that time. I admire them for trying, but I think Jim Bob got a bit over ambitious with that one. That being said, they did design it and it seems to fit them well.

Does anyone realize how much a used tour bus costs? Like at least 3 or 4 of my brand new, hard earned Honda Civics. I'm not saying they shouldn't have these things, but it is NOT realistic to expect all large families to be able to afford such luxuries, no matter how frugally they live.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for clarifying the comments Sharla. I have been away and am catching up with the posts now after a week. I missed the last few episodes but have to agree about the unkindness of some content posted here. Its got to be about the Duggar family first IMO. As for WW, it is indeed a lifestyle, and does educate and assist those with a need to lose weight and live a 'normal life.' BTW, pickles are a 'freefood' so the Duggars are ahead of the game. lol Maya

NancyN said...

Sharla, I am not the anonymous poster to whom you were speaking about the content of the post. However, I think it is probably confusing for those who read this blog and the Gosselin blog to understand your guidelines. The Gosselin WOP is pretty much a free for all slamming Kate G. I don't like the over the top meanness toward either family but I can see why people might think you allow it. (for the record, I don't like the extreme unkindness toward either family - it's creepy)

Sharla said...

Susan, please review commenting guidelines 8 and 11.

Joanna said...

They why I'd say their life-style has changed is deffintly getting perks, mostly the traveling. And yes, they have gotten more modern in fashion and hairstyle. But their life-style has envolved over the past 25-years and envolved over lots and lots of hard work and trail and errors and even some tough mistakes. I'd say the definitly deserve to live off the fruit of their labor and they still work as hard as they ever did.

Mandy said...

I do believe that they get more opportunities to travel because of trips to New York for TV shows and such. I'm sure that part of their trip to the Bates and DC and all over may have been funded by TLC. But the Duggars took long 4-5 week vacations before TLC came into the picture. They talk about one of those vacations in their book. And I believe one of the first specials TLC did, "On the road with 16 kids" or something like that, was following them on one of their long trips. There's no way that they could have had enough funding or popularity with TLC for a long vacation to be coming from TLC at that point. I'd assume that they'd have done trips like that one and the recent one even if TLC didn't exist. Maybe they wouldn't get to do as many things on those trips, but I'm guessing they still would have happened.

brideinMA said...

I am really excited about next week's cross over show with "Say Yes to the Dress". As I recently got engaged, I love watching anything to do with weddings!

I hope Michelle finds something suitably modest at Kleinfeld's, most of the dresses I have seen previously on that show are sleeveless. I am sure she can find something though, they have a lot of dresses!

I am really happy that she gets to do something fun for herself for a change! (I will just cross my fingers that it turns out better than Jon and Kate's vow renewal did...)

Michelle deserves some pampering, I think it is very special and couldn't be happier for them.

justsatin said...

What did I miss? Why does Michelle need a wedding dress? Are we going to see another 'vow renewal'? Hope this one is more successful than the other one we saw.

Frivolous Folly said...

Who's paying for the dress ?

I assume it's TLC, because we all know the Duggars only buy used and save the difference.

Annie said...

Anonymous re: the Bible. You said that over time the Bible has been changed so much with verses being added or subtracted. Actually, since the Bible was canonized in the 300's, nothing has changed, been removed or added. There are different translations which phrase the verses differently, but the meaning and intent and the verses themselves have been the same since they were written.

Sarah said...

Jean-
I would love to talk with you further, if you are still trying to work through things. I know a lot of my friends would have some great insight for you too. However, it really isn't on topic here, so if you would like to join us in another place (a Christian forum), let me know and I will send you a link. Just leave a message on my blog attached to my name here.

Anonymous said...

I think the Duggars are very good people but since TLC has been part of their lives they have made changes. The money has allowed them to do way more travel. As Michelle said they was gone most all summer. We know they was in NY, Washington DC, Gatlinburg.Tn and other places. They take the grandmother, the cousin and sometimes Michelle's sister has been along. It is very expensive to do that travel. They did not stay in the bus while doing most the travel as it was shown. They was in a resort style house while in Gatlinburg,Tn. Also I have noticed that JimBob gets the big head now when they are recognized out and about. Their changes have been very gradual.

Emily said...

Just to comment on the bus thing, it says in their book that Jim Bob went to an auction and put in a bid on one bus that had ripped up and ruined interior and got it for 2,000 dollars. And he also put in a bid for a bus that was nice inside but had front end damage beyond repair, and got it for like 500 dollars. Then he took the seats ect out of the ripped up bus and put the nice seats ect from the damaged bus into the other one, then had it painted. I believe he was out less than 4 grand by the time all was said and done.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

"imaamy has left a new comment on the post "Tues, September 22, Duggar on a Diet":

There was very old country style frilly furniture in the small house. Now what they have is selected by a decorator and therefore looks better on camera. If anyone here knows a huge family IRL who can live like the Duggars without a TV network supporting them, I'd be interested."

Michelle mentioned either on a show or in the book that not only did they take over 3 years to build the house as they had the money to do the various projects that they also bought furniture and decorations and had them stored away till the house was done. She purposely lived in the tiny house without much modern decor because she was saving her decorations for the new house. It was not so much they were so
poor" before they moved into the new house, but it was a choice to live modestly and put aside instant gratification and delay living with new or modern furniture till the house was done. Sure they had a person come and decorate the kid's room at the end and TLC contributed about $25,000 to finish and furnish the house but much of the house was already done and much of the decoration were of their own labor and not necessary TLC.

tha squirrel watcha said...

As someone mentioned here before, they obviously stored away funiture & decor for their new home. Decorators would not have picked that furniture in the livingroom! If they wanted "country" or "early american" there were many different stylish ways they could hve done the house, very far from what is currently displayed. Um, hello, can anyone say "shabby chic"? Also, what designer would put a ceiling fan next to the top bunk in a child's room?!!??

I also believe that the children's rooms are like sets. I think that they have other rooms somewhere in the house that they choose not to show. Or, maybe those rooms are the guest rooms.

Jana--just trying to get out of the house. She is also very good at a lot of things, a true high acheiver. I think this is just another way for her to gain skills, experience the real world, etc. I wonder if her parents let her talk to any of the other members without them by her side? She is one of the smart ones...the older ones may have had a taste of real life in the beginning before they were so isolated!

Can't wait to see what happens in later years!

Again? said...

Mrs P said...

The Duggars (and my family) believe that we are not to live our lives for ourselves. We are to live our lives for God and do what He wants us to do. It's about what He wants, not what we want. We need to die to self, and do His will, and only then will we be happy and content.

So the answer is yes, they'd want their children to follow their dreams, *if* those dreams align with God's will for that child.
If not, then they (and we) would counsel that child against following that dream, b/c a person can never be truly happy or content unless they are in God's will.

Mrs P

9/22/2009 11:55 PM

While I totally agree with living God's will for your life, I wonder if God's will is for them to do this show?

Anonymous said...

I seriously doubt that material want and greed, as well as compromising family dignity and privacy, is God's will. Modesty would suggest that families should keep their family life and belief private, and live up to their own standards, as well as God's. Putting ones family on national television for financial gain would not be God's will, because this family has nothing to teach others. It would be irresponsible for many families to produce this many children, and the world does not need 20 people families using up all of the world resources and creating waste.

LoveToRead said...

I grew up in the same area where the Duggars live. Trust me when I say that they are health fanatics compared to most people in that area. Obesity is rampant there--lots of fried food, lots of eating out at salt-and-fat-bomb places like Applebees and AQ Chicken, etc. The Duggars eat quite well by comparison and are in very good shape overall.

Also, I find their show to be very inspiring. They really walk the walk with their chosen lifestyle. I truly admire the way JimBob and Michelle parent their children. It wouldn't be my choice to live the same lifestyle (I'm a left-wing activist with a professional degree and only three kids), but I see no harm in what the Duggars are doing (insofar as their own family is concerned...I'm definitely not supportive of anyone forcing their value system on society at large through political/social conservativism) and lots of positives.

Let's be honest--all parents try to indoctrinate their children into their own lifestyles, and yes, sometimes this puts pressure on the kids to conform. Frankly, I don't see any harm in the Duggars encouraging their children to adopt a family-oriented lifestyle. This country would be better off with more focus on the family--not in a shallow, judgmental, political "family values" sense, but in a real spend-time-with-your-family sense.