Tues, September 29, Duggars Say Yes to the Dress

There's another Duggar wedding in the works! Watch as Jim Bob and Michelle prepare to walk down the aisle again after 25 years of marriage; and, in honor of the milestone, the Duggars visit Kleinfeld's in New York to find Michelle's dream wedding dress.

30 minutes




May I add ugh, copying previous story lines from other shows is not a good idea, IMO.

195 comments:

gettingbored said...

Why does Michelle need a dream wedding dress? Her first wedding dress was quite nice. Why does she need one for a vow renewal? The program is becoming a bit formulaic and product heavy. What next? JB gets a motorcycle from Orange County Choppers? And why does she need an expensive dress anyway? Why do all the kids have to come help her get a dress? Why do we have to listen to Josh talk about it? Why is he there? Doesn't he have a business to run? Isn't it high time he do the cleave and leave thing Michelle spoke about a year ago when he married Anna?

Sherry said...

Sorry but I think this is a bit ridiculous. My hubby and I just celebrated our 25th anniversary. Our church gave us a surprise party and my father, who is a minister and officiated at our wedding, came and led the renewing of our vows. It was a sweet time and was made very special by how everyone worked together to keep the celebration a secret. An anniversary is not a wedding...thank goodness! To me, its even more special than a wedding. I think the wedding dress idea goes against the things the Duggars value as important.

Anonymous said...

I think the Gosselin wedding is the one that should not have taken place, doing a 25th is far more appropriate than a 9th(I believe it was the ninth maybe 10) TLC had to have known the Gosselins were having problems. I believe the Duggers will appreciate this more than the G's did, they don't appreciate anything just more money. I don't see any changes in the Duggers like we did the the Gosselins, if you look at Kate a year ago she looks so different then she does these days, all her make up clothes etc, they just give me the creeps.

Emily Heizer said...

@ Sherry... *I'm* sorry, but how is this a bit ridiculous considering you did the exact thing? Come on now. They renewed their vows, whether TLC gives her a dress or not is irrelevant- because the Duggar's wouldn't care if they had it either way. But who wouldn't like a pretty dress? Ya know?

I'm pleased and proud of them personally. It's the marital example I lacked growing up...

Sherry said...

Emily, I'm saying the materialism is ridiculous not the process of celebration. I think crossing over to another show is meant for commercialism, not necessarily by the Duggars but by TLC. I wore a simple dress to what I thought was a musical function at our church. I was surprised by the entire event. We didn't even know we were going to renew our vows, but that was part of the "program" that had been planned by the attendees. The whole thing was prepared by congregants and was beautifully simple...flowers from their yards, a homemade cake, a homemade video, and church members who brought their little cameras to take photos. I didn't plan anything...it was a joyful surprise and I was glad that I didn't wear blue jeans! The Duggars are always emphasizing simplistic trips, a servant attitude, a selfless heart, and buy used save the difference. I think this episode will go against these charateristics that define them. It doesn't make them bad people...I love them and appreciate what they stand for. That's the very reason I think it seems "ridiculous" to have a whole show hyped up on appearances and big purchases. I haven't seen the episode so maybe it will be simple and sweet.

Jinger Rocks! said...

In the commercial, doesn't Josh go postal on the fact that the dress shop doesn't sell garments with puffed sleeves? Is this going to be ANOTHER episode where we are privy to Josh's opinions?

Kriss said...

After Michelle buying thift for so many years I think it would be fun for her to get a new dress. If Say Yes to the Dress asked me to come pick out a dress I would in a heart beat. -kriss

Enough with the Multiples said...

What a joke! Is TLC this desperate for self promotion that it's resorting to the old vowel renewal ceremony again??? I mean it worked out so well for that other couple last year!

Maybe next season TLC will get a show about college and some of the Duggar girls will get free tuition and get to go! Now that I'd like to tune in to see!

Jackie said...

Wasn't yesterday was Josh and Anna's one year anniversary?

Sami said...

That was Jim Bob who suggested the puffed sleeves a la the 80s.

And seriously how did the 80s end up creeping back into style?

pumpkin said...

I wonder if the producers were hoping that John David or Jana would get married in a courtship this year, but it didn't work out that way, but they wanted another big wedding spectacular, so that's why they are doing the vow renwal?

Maybe TLC hopes that they can marry off the oldest kids all in a row, one right after the other, and have a wedding spectacular every year.

Anonymous said...

I see a definite TLC pattern here, and IMO, I m not liking it. Too formula like, too automatic, and really what a silly storyline. I enjoy when they show daily life, what they do as opposed to buying another wedding dress to renew vows. Give me a break TLC. Maya

CappuccinoLife said...

I think the wedding dress thing may be a little silly. I doubt the Duggars would do it to that extent on their own.

OTOH, a 25th wedding anniversary is something that is perfectly appropriate to celebrate in grand style. And having practiced frugality all those years, I can't imagine begrudging Michelle a beautiful, free, wedding dress and the celebration. Good on them for keeping their family together for over 2 decades, and still obviously enjoying each other. :)

Shawna said...

I think a vow renewal is great, and they deserve it. But why does TLC have to send her to New York for a dress? It is ridiculous, and I guarantee you that NONE of the Duggars give one iota about a dress from kleinfeld. Not even Michelle. They are too grounded for this kind of thing, and they care more about the vows than the fancy dress or decorations.

You'd think that the TLC crew would be creative individuals that could think of new, exciting episodes that didn't mimic Jon and Kate, but they can't. Very disappointing.

sherryhefner said...

I agree with Shawna...It think celebrating 25 years of marriage is wonderful! Yes, I did that myself! But I really doubt Michelle is interested in an expensive wedding dress. This is not in line with her character or the way the Duggars have lived. Having a nice dinner and cake made by their daughter Jana, and then renewing their vows surrounded by family and close friends seems more like what the Duggars would enjoy. After all, this is a family who places value on people not things.
I don't begrudge the Duggars getting anything TLC chooses to give them! I hope they will enjoy the entire celebration and I am happy for them. I just don't think its the type of thing they would do if not for TLC.

Hannah said...

I think that it will be just fine. Jon and Kate seemed more and for the ratings. Jim and Michelle really love eachother and will truly mean the voews. Unlike, Jon and Kate who has rumored to already been having issues at that point.

Anonymous said...

I think it's a nice way for them to celebrate their 25th. Many people do this so it not unusual at all. If Michele gets a decent wedding dress she will probably pass it down to her daughters for their weddings.

winsomeone said...

Wonder who will officiate at the renewal vows since the Duggars don't attend any formal church? Will they have it at their home do you think? Having her wear virginal white seems a bit over the top, and finding a dress won't be easy as she is of course pregnant again.

Nicole said...

A pregnant bride. Ha! Wonder if she will wear white.

cassandrau said...

This commercial for this episode REALLY pisses me off. We all saw how well the vow renewal paid off for the Gosselins. I know the Duggars have a more stable marriage, but God, does TLC realize what this looks like to the viewers?

Melissa said...

I almost hurled when I saw the dress she tried on. I understand 'modesty', but come on Michelle, you can do modest without looking like you're wearing a lacy potato sack.

My boyfriend made a sharp comment about JB and Jr's love of poofy sleeves - "It must be the repressed man's replacement for breasts."

lea said...

How pathetic. Another show with product placement, what a surprise.

Josh should be more concerned with his wife's health then being a pompous wannabe tv personality. Josh is a complete tool and a total asshole. Josh has the 'wifebeater' look to me.

Justnotright said...

Didn't they already celebrate their 25th anniversary early - when they went to San Francisco? Or was that some other celebration (all the traveling stuff runs together)... Also, how would you feel if you were Anna, who wore a borrowed dress for her wedding. No one made a huge fuss or offered to fly her off to buy a new one in NYC. Not only is Michelle pregnant, she is going to be a pregnant "bride"! Double whammy to Anna! Why did Michelle agree to go along with this farce?

Enough Already Sheeez said...

Does TLC realize how rediculous it is to show Josh *once again* inserting his opinion into everyone else's business.

Josh, YOU ARE MARRIED, go home and take care of your pregnant wife instead of telling your mother what dress to wear.

He really gets on my nerves.

Swissmiss150 said...

Well, the Gosselin's 9th anniversary vow renewal at a resort in Hawaii was such a fake that at least you feel like the Duggars will be together FOREVER.

I do think it's silly to get an expensive gown donated for Michelle. They are simple people and would be perfectly happy with a much simpler ceremony.

Andrea said...

I think after people watch the episode, they will feel more comfortable with Michelle receiving a free/expensive dress. I'm pretty sure she'll explain how they don't value material things and they certainly didn't ask for the dress, but TLC gave them an oppurtunity and they were gracious receivers. Remember, they are a different family than the other train wreck on TLC. These people are grateful for the freebies.

gotsomewheelsnow said...

I think it's great that they're celebrating their 25th with a vow renewal. But, couldn't they have found a very nice dress for Michelle without traveling all the way to NYC? That's surely not the way Michelle would have gotten her dress without TLC's scripting.

I'm happy they're doing the renewal because Jim Bob and Michelle seem to genuinely love each other - but TLC shouldn't be pushing them into doing things out of the norm for their lifestyle in the name of ratings.

gotsomewheelsnow said...

The 25th anniversary vow renewal is great - the idea of going all the way to NYC for a dress - not so great.

It's a little surprising to me that the Duggars are letting TLC script their lives.

This familiar theme is getting really old.

Anonymous said...

I don't know why TLC thinks we want to see a pregnant wedding dress! It seems really silly to me. Jim Bob and Michelle could celebrate their 25 years of marriage, in private, with decorum. They don't need all this hullaballoo, and it really makes them seem JUST like the Gosselins! It is time for all of these families to return to their former lives, and quit parading their private acts around in public for all of America to see! The Gosselins sold out to TLC and the Duggars are doing the exact same thing!

Ana said...

Looks like they might have taped this episode before she was showing more with child.

As for marrying off the other kids...they can't let the older girls marry yet. That would mean Michelle or JB would have to actually take care of the little ones. They need those older girls to cook, clean, and take care of youngin's. If they left what would they do? Those middle boys are NOT going to take care of those baby girls.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I hope she picks a special dress for this special occassion.

Anonymous said...

Sherry Hefner said, "Having a nice dinner and cake made by their daughter Jana, and then renewing their vows surrounded by family and close friends seems more like what the Duggars would enjoy. . . . After all, this is a family who places value on people not things."

Yes, I don't think Jana has enough to do. Let's have her cook for a couple dozen people. I'm sure that's just what she's hoping for.

Actually, I bet she's thinking, "Thank goodness TLC is paying for a celebration, instead of me cooking a big dinner for 50."

I have yet to see Michelle or Jim Bob cook anything on this show. Maybe they should cook their own anniversary dinner and give their girls a break.

You think the Duggars are about "people"? What about the four people who run their home and watch their kids--Jana, Jessa, Jill and Jinger. It's a shame that Michelle and Jim Bob aren't a little more concerned about them.

theresa said...

I hope the Duggar girls get to wear fancy wedding gowns instead of a plain, homemade gown like Anna wore. Anna did say they made the dresses b/c it was cheaper. I don't think it's right Michelle will get to have 2 wedding dresses, and 2 weddings, while those poor girls will have to wear something plain and recite "buy used and save the difference."

I wonder if any of the Duggar girls dream of elaborate weddings, or was Josh's wedding a Duggar dream wedding?

Anonymous said...

Poor Jana. Look how easily people pass more chores on to her. Look at how she so readily mothered poor vomiting Johanna. Where was Michelle? When has Michelle ever done laundry, or cooked a meal? When has she ever hugged or cared for or taught her children? When has she brushed their hair or teeth (you certainly see plenty of that with Jon and Kate---they do those jobs themselves!)?

I feel very sorry for Jana and her sisters who are left with all the work that a mother normally does. Michelle should be caring for her children instead of buying a second fancy wedding gown (those gowns cost thousands and thousands of dollars) . And she is always showing up poor Anna. There is something a little sick about a mother-in-law who can't let her DIL have even five minutes of the spotlight with her own wedding and child.

Boysmom said...

Maybe the girls will get to wear Michelle's dress! Ugh. I don't get wearing a regular wedding dress for a vowel renewal, is that common? I'd buy a regular fancy dress, something possibly in cream, something I could feel comfortable in and use again. I had a big wedding with a fancy dress (extremely modest actually, but much prettier than Michelle's) and it was a PITA hauling that dress around all night. Once is enough IMO.

Harriet said...

I agree. The vow renewals that I have seen, the woman has worn a pretty dressy dress. The only one I've seen in a wedding gown was on Jon and Kate. Reality TV is not real once again.

Boysmom said...

And I'd guess that Kleinfelds has such dresses, made for vowel renewals and/or second weddings. Not that I've ever been there. But I suppose that fancy dresses make good TV.

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Renee said...

I have to wonder what will become of the Duggars and other reality/TLC families after the shows end. Whether it is a dream wedding dress, trips or other goodies that come with having your own show. All that will not be easy to give up. Also what is Josh's problem? Is he jealous that he and Anna do not have their own show with all the perks? I watch the show with my 85 year old grandmother and she thinks he is a brat!!!

Beth said...

"Michelle should be caring for her children instead of buying a second fancy wedding gown (those gowns cost thousands and thousands of dollars) . And she is always showing up poor Anna. There is something a little sick about a mother-in-law who can't let her DIL have even five minutes of the spotlight with her own wedding and child."

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Wow! What martyrdom! I didn't realize when you became a mom you were NEVER allowed nice things, or anything that might garnish even a little of attention! I suppose when my kids grow up and start their own family I'll hide in the background as to not "upstage" them. Just because you are a mom, doesn't mean you cease to be a person.

nccalgal said...

All the TLC families were in NYC earlier this summer, so I imagine that this episode was filmed at that time. I have found that many of the "promos" don't always line up with the finished product, so I'll wait until the show airs before making any judgements on how appropriate the dress vs. ceremony really is, but I agree, most couples just wear nice clothes; they don't go all out with gowns and tuxes.

Swissmiss150 said...

I'm a regular viewer of "Say Yes to the Dress." The consultant always asks the customer what their 'price point' is. It seems to be about $3,000 on average. Occasionally someone will say $1500or $5,000. Even more rare is that someone doesn't have an upper limit.

The Duggars were in New York in August, I think, for some type of TLC promotion. The Gosselins were there, the little couple (the woman is a doctor in Texas).

Shopping for the dress was probably done at that time.

BoyMom said...

I don't mind them having a vow renewal or whatever, but I don't get why they have to renew their vows? Why don't they just have a big celebration in honor of their 25th Anniversary. The new dress-ugh. I blame that one on TLC--Michelle is adorable just being herself. She doesn't wear stuff like that, I wish they would just let her be.

I don't understand the comment about Michelle always showing up Anna. She didn't get pregnant to take the limelight off Anna-she did it because her faith prevents her from birth control. So should she have put all that aside so Anna and Josh could be on Good Morning America all by themselves?

I look forward to this episode and hopefully lots more in the future, but I hope the Duggars stay true to themselves-it's what was so captivating in the first place.

Joanna said...

What's the big deal about Josh being at Kleinfelds anyway? I'm suprised they is such an uproar about it.

I've been expecting all year that Jim Bob and Michelle would renew their wedding vows. It's not uncommon for Christian couples to do so. I've been to a couple vow renewals myself. My Mama and my step-dad are doing a vow renewal at the end of the year. My nieces are really exciting to see that.

The ceremony took place "before" Michelle realized she was pregnant. She couldn't have been more then a month along. She she wasn't seen as a pregnant bride.

As for Michelle accepting TLC's offer for the dress, they've talked about how their first wedding was on a strict budget and her dress was quite possbily a hand-me-down from one or maybe more of her sisters. It possibilty could have been worn more then once. So for the episode discription of finding Michelle's dream dress, that could be what this is all about.

Naturally, there is no big deal about Anna wearing her sister's dress, which Anna was the second one to wear it, and it might possibly had been Anna's dream dress. And I personally think that dress was pretty, simple, elegant, and sweet. Don't need to make a big deal out of that.

And JB and Michelle didn't go any place exotic for their vow renewal. They did it in the same hallway they were married in! JB said that they "splurged" on "plastic table cloths" to make decrations from. Who officated it, maybe it was the same pastor who married them. And they do know several, if not quite a few, ministers so a friend might have done it.

DisturbedByJosh said...

This may be wrong of me. But, I caught the commercial for the show tonight and Josh standing there asking so many questions about his mother's wedding gown is weird to me. No teenage boy or man in their early twenties would be that interested in his mothers dress. Odd Odd behavior to me.

Willow #1 said...

I agree the commercial clips etc. appear a little strange (Josh and JB talking about the dress, etc.) I am anxious to see the actual context during the episode. I hope it makes sense, cuz I mean .... what are the doing? LOL.

Anonymous said...

Thanks Swissmiss for the timeline as it does make alot of sense the way TLC seems to work. Too bad they dont come up with more unique storylines, not rehashes of the previous stories. The Duggar family seems more special to me and I would like to think they use their story and family to share a good message of family, faith, and all that it means. Maya

Midwest Mom said...

Joanna said... "What's the big deal about Josh being at Kleinfelds anyway? I'm suprised they is such an uproar about it."

The uproar is not that he was there, the uproar is that Josh had more to say about his mother's dress than any of the GIRLS.

It is not normal for a married man in his early 20's with a pregnant wife to be so interested in what his mother is wearing. Unless, as I suspect, Mr. Josh is a master control-freak.

Willow #1 said...

Well, I watched the episode and I really liked it...except, WHY was Josh even talking about his mom's dress??? I mean Michelle said something to the effect that she finally decided after JimBob and Josh stated what they wanted (I am paraphrasing). What JOSH wanted???? I am really getting riled about this. I mean, in their customs, I can go with her husband voicing his opinion (although I think he probably gives more than just an "opinion"). But, o.k., that is her husband, but what in the hay does her son have to do with it? Does their custom say that all the men in her life get to boss her around? Even when he has his own wife to boss around? I just can't figure any reason why she had to go with what JB and Josh decided. I SURELY must be missing something here??? Or did I not hear correctly? If I didn't hear this correctly, I am sorry.

The rest of the show was great. It seems the wedding is going to be low key. The dress thing may have partly been due to a show cross-over.

How cute was Johannah climbing up on the sound man and taking over the mic?

Jackie said...

Johanna is by far the cutest of the Duggar's I loved it when she jumped on the counter and hopped on the camera man's shoulders!!
I also think that it is a bit odd that Michelle is purchasing a new wedding dress. Why cant she just where a modest white suit rather then buy a fancy wedding gown.
I understand TLC wanting to promote Say Yes to the Dress but I think its safe to say they have plenty of weddings to look forward to.
Did anyone else see the caption about how many grandchildren Jim Bob and Michelle would have if all of their children had 19 of their own?

theresa said...

it annoyed me how all the duggar little kids were in the dress shop. They seemed to be running around making pains of themselves. Michelle seemed to just brush it off. I would have been annoyed if I was a bride shopping that day and had to put up with a bunch of brats running around. It was totally inappropriate in my opinion.

Ange said...

I also though Michelle would have worn a white suit or simpler white dress, because she and Jimbob never struck me as the type to go to a place like Kleinfeld's. A bit disappointing. I was annoyed Josha and Anna were there, what exactly was the point of them coming? Don't they have a business to run?

Darlin said...

Although I like Michelle I don't see the point in taking all of the kids to pick out a wedding dress. Reminds me of someone else.

Not always cute said...

Jackie said:
I loved it when she (Johanna) jumped on the counter and hopped on the camera man's shoulders!!

***********************************I actually got a little concerned that Johanna would fall off of the man's shoulders. I also thought that it was very rude of Michelle not to say anything to Johanna. Maybe the camera man didn't want her to sit on his shoulders. I as a mother of 4 learned a long time ago that not everybody thinks my kids are cute except me and their dad.

pumpkin said...

I liked the dress shopping part. I love "Say Yes to the Dress" and I thought the sales woman was hilarious when she nixed the puffy sleeves.

I was glad that Michelle explained that this was filmed when they were in NYC anyway for the Huckabee program.

The thing I thought was kind of gross was the Cheerios on the floor and the older kids were standng right there and didn't do or say anything as a small child with dirty feet sat on the floor eating spilled food straight off the floor. That, along with the little boy a few weeks ago who was nibbling on the end of the crutches... hmmm, well, I was grossed out. I know that little kids will pick up anything and put it in their mouths, but come on, adults were standing all around and nobody even pretended to clean up a bit.

Also, I know I would be getting stressed out if small children were banging on and tryng to push things through the tape of the box that my wedding dress was in. Again, I was surprised that none of the older children put it someplace safe.

elyse said...

I saw the ad for the wedding dress show followed by an ad for parents of monkeys. The TLC channel is becoming one big Jerry Springer show. The whole station is pretty low in my opinion. I rarely watch it anymore. When channel surfing TLC's options are: A chef yelling at everyone, a baker yelling at everyone, a mother screeching with 8 screeching kids, another mother producing more kids, and then just to spice things up - some tattoo show. I could just feel my brain turning to mush.

Anonymous said...

I also thought it was inappropriate to have the little ones all running around, making nuisances of themselves in a very expensive dress shop. It is disrespectful to all the other women who are there doing serious shopping for their own special day.

It is interesting how we are seeing more of the kids' personalities now. In the old days, I don't think we ever saw any "spunkiness", and now that little Johanna is always jumping around (as are the little boys).

It;s cute, but not in a dress shop.

And I agree that Josh should be quiet and pay attention to his own wife, not comment on his mother's dress.

eternalcanadian said...

I haven't seen the show in a while because frankly I'm a bit fed up with the Duggars and how Josh is such a "know it all" and the older kids continue to avoid college.

It is just the same old, same old, kid after kid being born, no one going to college, no one working.

However, I do like the show "Say Yes to the Dress" so I had to watch this show. I suppose a 25th wedding anniversary is something to celebrate, but why go all out like you're getting married for the first time? Seems a bit tacky, imo.

I can't believe Kleinfelds had such a yucky dress in stock! Michelle could have done so much better. And the poor kids, bored silly, and one of them was ill? Gosh,

I think the store managers regreted letting them all in. It is possible they closed the story for that particular episode because I know it would have been quite irksom to be a customer there when the Duggars were.

Still waiting for a Bates-Duggar wedding. I bet there'll be one in a few months.

winsomeone said...

The Duggar boys seem to be being raised to think they are very important, while the girls are mostly shy and retiring, and will end up as someone's "slave" I fear. There will be many Josh clones eventually, John David being the exception.

The small childrens' behavior was atrocious in the dress shop. I kept thinking how inappropriate for them to even be there.

Johanna riding on the camera man's back..how modest was that?

After seeing a shot of Jana from behind while walking, I think I now see why she belongs to WW. Good for her getting a handle on her weight while still young.

Tsk Tsk said...

I agree that the kids were obnoxious in the bridal shop. People are always talking about how poorly the Gosselin kids behave, but I don't find the Duggars any better. In fact it's worse because there are so darn many of them. Jim Bob takes no actual role in parenting, he sat there and explained the merits of puffy sleeves while his kids ran rampant. Josh or the older girls could have helped wrangle them, but that isn't really their job, despite what Jim Bob and Michelle think.

I think Johanna jumping on the camera man was the same, or them beating the dress box on the front porch. They seem to have little or no supervision, which needs to be pretty much constant, at least for kids under 5. I definitely believe kids should be kids, and with the Duggars' strict lifestyle I'm glad for the kids that they can just cut loose. From a parenting perspective, though, especially in public spaces or where safety is concerned, if you can't properly attend to 18 kids you shouldn't have had so many. It's not society's responsibility (or the dress shop's) to make sure your kids don't break or ruin anything, or even get hurt.

CappuccinoLife said...

I watched the whole thing. I really don't think Josh had any more to say about it than anyone else. Anna talked more than him in that episode, and the rest of the family certainly gave their input.

I think Michelle was uncomfortable there, both with the style of clothing and having their kids there. In the interview she said it really wasn't a place to bring small children.

And having watched the whole thing now, and not just the promo, I'm inclined to belive Jim-Bob was joking about the puffy sleeves thing. Having some fun with the high-fashion lady and people's assumptions of their family.

Also, add me to the list of people who adore Johanna.

CappuccinoLife said...

btw, Michelle decided on a dress she and her daughters liked, but had it altered because it was way off the shoulders. From what I could gather, none of the family, including Michelle, liked the lacy old-fashioned style she first tried on.

nccalgal said...

Michelle stated that she was looking for a "modest" dress that would draw attention to the face. Part of the modesty thing is not to induce "lust" in men, so that is why she sought JB and Josh's opinion on what was going to be acceptable. They did ask the girls about the "modesty" rating on several of the dresses that others were trying on.
Also, submission is not subserviance. A Christian husband who takes his role as head of the family seriously realizes he is responsible for their wellbeing and does not lord over his wife or children. I happen to be a "Type A" person with a strong personality married to a "Type Z" whose very laid back, yet I acknowledge him as the leader of the family and give him the respect that he deserves because he is the head. I do not feel repressed or held back because of it.

alscaaskjs said...

I love how there are 48 comments before the show even airs and only 3 afterwards. Why are people so quick to critics and assume they know what is going on but never concede that their assumption were wrong?
They were in NY for another reason and were invited to the dress shop. Who wouldn't take advantage of that? It looks like (and I am assuming here) they were planning a vow renewal before they went to NY.

Snap! said...

I thought it was odd also that the younger kids were at the dress shop. Why couldn't Dad, Josh and John David -and grandma Duggar who is always there but rarely seen- watch the kids while Michelle shopped with her older daughters? I find it odd also that Josh still travels everywhere with his parents. Does TLC think it helps ratings- or does Josh find it difficult to create his own life? Can you imagine if all the Duggar children, their spouses and grandchildren always travel together?
Johannah is very cute- all the kids are- and Jennifer is becoming a cutie also!!

Andrea said...

I'm not quite sure why Jim Bob had so much input on the dress, and Josh is just annoying all of the time. He was rolling his eyes while Anna was talking about finding a modest dress, not sure if that was because Anna got to talk without him or because of all of the immodest tramps all around them trying on strapless dresses.
As far as them getting a new dress though, I'm sure a lot of Duggar girls will be using that dress so I'm happy that they get the option to wear something a little more modern with some beautiful detailing. It will see it's fair share of use I'm certain.

Tammy C said...

When the Duggars were at the dress store it should have been after hours when it was closed.The children were annoying.You could see customer's faces and some didn't look too happy.

I was wondering how many nike moments were there!

Our Busy Monkeys said...

It annoyed me also how the little kids were running rampant in Kleinfelds. The other women there were shopping for their dream dresses and spending thousands of dollars; only to have the experience disrupted by unruly children. Michelle seemed to blame the dress shop by saying they were not conducive to having children there. Well, DUH! You really should not have children there. This epi really should have been Michelle and the older girls and that's it.

lea said...

DisturbedbyJosh..

I am also disturbed by Josh but don't forget, the Duggars are a family where the males are taught that they are first and women are second. The males run the house,no matter what the age, period. In Josh's eyes, he is the one that makes the decisions, regardless of being the son, or not. Josh has just as much authority as Jim Bob does in that family. I am sure that Josh and the other son, very much controls the daughters and tells them what to do constantly, married or not. Josh believes that he is a leader over his mother, wife and sisters and I would not be surprised if his leadership is physically abusive.His demeaner is questionable and he has too much power in this family. And the one with the power is not always kind with it. To Josh, he had every right to tell his mom what wedding dress to get. Anna is just another woman to control. Josh has serious issues.
Those poor girls are going from a male run household to another male run household when they marry. Very sad.

Swissmiss150 said...

I'm getting more and more sick of Josh horning his way in. Why would a 20-something man give a hoot about what dress his mother wears? It's NONE of his business.

If something ever happened to his Dad, God forbid, would Josh then expect to take over leadership of Michelle and the other kids?

Bad idea to bring all the kids while Michelle tried on dresses. The younger ones were all over the place and even some of the older ones looked bored. Why didn't they go a park or something?

Is it just my imagination, or are we seeing more of the kids acting up on camera? I'm not saying that other kids wouldn't act that way - it's just that there are SO MANY of them.

I'm a regular viewer of "Say Yes to the Dress" and not many children come to the shop - or at least they don't film them. I don't think it's appropriate to take them to a nice place like that which is not designed for children.

grace said...

I thought it was very weird that Josh was being so opinionated about his mom's dress. But as always, we don't know the whole story. Maybe they were having a hard time finding one and he was just trying to be helpful.

..But I do agree that Josh is much like his father. I think they love control.

Mia said...

It kind of bothered me when Michelle, during one of the little interviews, said that the olders girls have high standards of modesty for themselves but don't judge others. While I can usually give the Duggar's credit for being non-judgemental and accepting of other ways of life, when they were asked in the dress shop to rate the modesty of other dresses it was clear from the faces that they were being judgemental. And although Anna isn't one of the Duggar girls technically, she was definitely judgemental in her answer to the camera man's question. She wouldn't even turn around to look at the woman in the dress she was rating.

BigSky21 said...

Did anyone watch the Duggars "Next Generation" thing that Josh and Anna have on the TLC 18 Kids and Counting website? They were celebrating their 1st anniversary. Why can Anna not stop staring at Josh? And why does Josh tell us all about Anna being pregnant instead of Anna herself who instead looks like she's mesmerized by her husband's face? Does she not even get to explain what is going on with her pregnancy? I really try not to be so skeptical of the Duggars because I really like them but that video was a bit ridiculous.

Also, did anyone look at the pictures of their vow renewal? They were re-using the bridesmaids dresses from Josh and Anna's wedding and I'm pretty sure Anna was wearing the same dress that Mrs.Duggar wore last year to the wedding. Talk about a switch.

As for this episode of the Duggars I too was wondering when someone was going to take the kids in hand. Overall I did think it was a cute episode but the kids were out of line most of the time.

B'More Gal said...

"The Duggar boys seem to be being raised to think they are very important, while the girls are mostly shy and retiring, and will end up as someone's "slave" I fear. There will be many Josh clones eventually, John David being the exception".


You know... I think the exception here might be Jinger. She is always rolling her eyes, and seems like she might be a little sassy. I would love to see her once she is out of her parents house. I bet she's not as much of a pushover as some of the other Duggar girls. I think Joyanna would be another Duggar girl you wouldn't want to mess with.

NancyN said...

Even though I sort of look away from their over the top affection, I think JimBob and Michelle are clearly in love. The vow renewal seems fine to me - really it's not that different than any milestone anniversary celebration. And she did look like she enjoyed trying on the dresses. (which, in my opinion, were dreadfully ugly but I don't have to wear them!)

However, the little kids were badly behaved and shouldn't have been at the store. As cute as they are, I also think their behavior at home is a little wild given how many adults there are supervising them. Johanna jumping on the camera guy's shoulders - cute but I wouldn't have let my child do that to someone.

Josh - GROSS. I have a 22 year old son and I am Michelle's age. I laughed out loud at the thought of him being willing to go shop for dresses with me and then giving opinions about what I should be wearing. YUK. Does this boy never spend time with other people his own age?

Anonymous said...

I didn't think Johanna jumping on the camera guy was cute (and I LOVE Johanna). I thought it was inappropriate for a lot of reasons.

QuadMom said...

I think a lot of people confuse the Duggar's being "judgemental" with possibly just being uncomfortable. The Duggar's view on modesty is much more stict than main stream America, and as a Duggar being raised with those views I'm sure they find that lack of modesty uncomforatble becuase it's not something they take in stride like the rest of us. When being asked to judge on a scale how modest things are, I honestly think they were uncomfrotable or even embarassed to answer. They've been taught that a lack of modesty is shameful in a way, so talking about about it probably has the same effect on them. Some people feel it's taboo to talk about sex and feel embarassed to do so, modesty, I feel, is on similar par for the Duggar girls. I really doubt they were individually casting judgement on the other ladies there who were trying on strapless gowns and what not.

Anonymous said...

I loved it when Michelle said that while she and her daughters preferred to dress modestly they would never judge how anyone else chose to dress. I have only one word to describe my opinion of this statement-"Nike!".

Brittany.P, said...

After 25 years, and soon to be 19 children, I'd think a vacation to New York would be nice! There are a lot of women who are getting married the first time who travel from all over the US to get into Klienfeld's.

This is probably a plot by the Duggar family to express how they feel modest dresses are the best choices for women, or something harmless like that anyways. I'm not worried.

Anonymous said...

I think Michelle mentioned that the family was in NYC to appear on Mike Huckabee's show, so they didn't make a special trip just to find a dress for the vow renewal ceremony. Still, was it really necessary for all 21 Duggars to crowd into the dress showroom? I cringed when I saw the preschoolers/toddlers turning sommersaults or touching the wedding gowns. One of the other shoppers looked stunned when she saw all the Duggars; there was hardly room for anyone else. I, too, am sad to see all the staged situations the Duggars are appearing in these days. They were never a "normal" family, but watching them live life according to their unique beliefs was at least interesting. What's next--maybe being invited to throw the "on" switch to light the Christmas tree in Rockefeller Plaza?

Snap! said...

I just realized the reason why all the Duggars were there- They will be on an upcoming episode of Say Yes to the Dress- and the contract probably said the whole family was to appear- this is also why we only saw 2 dresses on Michelle - they are saving the best footage for the other show.

luvmybabies said...

Kleinfeld's should have known what they were getting into when they invited the mother of 18 Kids and Counting to their dress shop to pick out a dress. They had to know the excursion would be filmed, and also that all the Duggars go everywhere together most of the time, especially when being filmed. I don't feel sorry for them having the young kids tumbling around in their shop.

I know it wouldn't have bothered me one bit to be shopping there and having young kids acting unruly. I'd just be glad it wasn't mine making noise. I guess I'm not one of those cranky ladies who gives sour looks to any child not behaving quietly and staying out of my way. Kids are people and sometimes they don't act perfect. That's just life.

Willow #1 said...

I just have to make a couple more comments about this epi. First of all, to the poster commenting about Jana and WW - did you mean that you thought Jana looked heavy from the back? Surely that is not what you meant!! I think she is very thin and pretty. JMO. Secondly, I agree that it should have just been a shopping trip for Michelle and the older girls. It would have been different and interesting and cute. As it was, it was too confusing and not focused and the little ones were definitely out of place, as was Josh. Anna could have been included with Michelle and the girls. I am wondering if the women are not allowed to do very much at all without "their men". No disrespect intended, just observation. Regarding the comments of a poster, yes, I agree Josh probably would take over for his dad, at least until Michelle re-married, I suppose. Thirdly, I am sure TLC arranged for Kleinfeld's to "offer" a dress. I hope Kleinfeld's "offers" the girls dresses when they get married.

You know, I really like and respect the Duggars. I have no problems with their number of children, homeschooling, modest dress, etc., but I just cannot get past the male obedience issue. I could handle a little of that, but not too much, to the extent their belief takes it. Just my VERY humble opinion. Peace and love.

the low road said...

How pathetic. Another show with product placement, what a surprise.

Josh should be more concerned with his wife's health then being a pompous wannabe tv personality. Josh is a complete tool and a total asshole. Josh has the 'wifebeater' look to me.

9/28/2009 10:56 AM

Exactly!

Whenever JimDumb or Josh has to explain anything its as if they just discovered it and are the chosen teachers.

They should rename the show 18 Bobbleheads and Counting.

Anonymous said...

Something bothered me about this episode, and I'm not sure whether it's an issue with the Duggars or with TLC and the producers of the show. Let me start by saying that I absolutely LOVE the Duggar family, and my own beliefs are quite similar to theirs in a lot of ways. I am SO glad that they have their TV show, and it's the highlight of my tv-viewing week. Anyway... I love God with all my heart and hold a lot of the same views as the Duggars. I recently got married and wore a strapless dress (just like most brides these days). I do believe in modesty and not drawing sexual attention to ourselves, but my personal views don't prohibit strapless bridal gowns. If I had been shopping for a dress at the same time as the Duggars, I would have been so devastated to find out that they were judging my dress and refused to even turn around and look at it (as Anna did) while talking about me. Little would they know that I actually AM a Christian and DO hold the same values that they do. Of course they have the right not to want their younger boys to look at it, but I still am personally offended by their attitudes and how far they take it sometimes. It's just gotten to the point where I feel like they assume that women who don't cover themselves up to their necks don't love God or are bad people. I know that Michelle said the girls have their own convictions and don't judge others, so I can't decide whether I'm upset with the producers for asking them to rate the dresses and putting them in an uncomfortable position or if I don't like their own values when it comes to this, but I know that I certainly wouldn't have appreciated being in that shop at the same time they were and being shown on TV as one of those evil Nike moments. I would have been devastated by their assumptions about me.
-Christina

Anonymous said...

haha! In response to "thelowroad" regarding Josh and JB acting like they are the first to discover things, my favorite was when Josh and Anna were talking about baby names (well, JOSH was talking about baby names)... and the producer asked if they thought they would go with a certain letter. Josh started with, "Well, Anna's an A. And I'm a J"... noooo way. That was the first time I noticed that he does this, and I thought it was hilarious but irritating.

hammett said...

It's hard to not be judgmental when you've heard your whole life that dressing immodestly is the devil's work.

As another poster stated, Those girls are trained to jump at the word 'nike'. Of course they judge. They're terrified of immodesty.

Deb W said...

I read through the comments and most of my impressions were covered, but....
Michelle said at one point her (first) wedding dress was borrowed from her Mother-in-Law, so she had a borrowed gown too. As for showing up Anna, it seemed like Josh and Anna got plenty of attention there for a while - courtship, engagement, wedding, getting preggers, all shown over and over again, ad nauseum. I'm ready to have a break from them. I wonder how A feels about her MIL using her silk bouquet and decorations from her wedding though.
The girls seemed underwhelmed at being at Kleinfelds because all that excess, 'sexy' gowns and opulence is not their thing. I'm sure the girls dream of a beautiful wedding, but on their terms.
I was surprised Kleinfelds did not have anything more modest for M to try, but (I'm a regular watcher of that show too) I'm pretty sure I heard someone say once they didn't have a dress in the store with sleeves - just little shoulder 'caps.' on some. Don't they ever have any Orthodox women come in there to look for a dress? You would think they would not ignore that part of the market. M trying on dresses over clothes was weird, but understandable, given her beliefs. But the AWFUL thing they came up with!!!! UGH!!!! I'm sure the 'modest' part they added to an obviously strapless dress was skillfully done, but the fabric looked like cotton, and I was surprised by the little, short PUFFED sleeves. Would she wear sleeves so short?
I am convinced the idea of the vow renewal/big white wedding do-over was completely TLC's idea, and they were just trying to make the best of it and be gracious.
(yep, wild, grubby-fingered kids touching the gowns, disturbing people there to make a once-in-a-lifetime multi-thousand dollar purchase, kids eating off the floor, shoes on the kitchen counter/food prep surface, and the little girl climbing up the sound man while no one corrected them bothered me....a LOT!! Couldn't someone say raised voices and tearing around belongs OUTSIDE!?!)

theresa said...

After seeing the Duggar kids misbehave at the dress shop, I think Kleinfelds should not allow children under a certain age. Brides are spending a lot of money on their dresses. I'm sure a lot of the brides to be are stressed out enough. They do not need to be subjected to those out of control kids. It was maddening how Michelle said the shop was not suited to small children, and continued to allow them to run wild. If I was a customer in the shop that day, I would have walked out. There was no excuse for behavior like that.

Joanna said...

Snap! said...
I just realized the reason why all the Duggars were there- They will be on an upcoming episode of Say Yes to the Dress- and the contract probably said the whole family was to appear- this is also why we only saw 2 dresses on Michelle - they are saving the best footage for the other show.

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You were right Snap! The Duggars are on "Say Yes To The Dress". It'll be on Friday at 9:00.

---Say Yes to the Dress----
100 Dresses and Counting
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Michelle Duggar is a mother of 18, who comes with her brood and husband in tow, to find a dress for her vow renewal. Beatrize has tried on a 100 dresses and has a list of 40 more she needs to look at. Jessica is missing a veil. Gladys has a panic attack.

Jess said...

grace said...
I thought it was very weird that Josh was being so opinionated about his mom's dress.
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Josh loves to hear himself talk.

roddma said...

Theres not enough Tylenol in the world to put up with kids running all over the store then at the house.We would have never been allowed to run amock in stores and it was just my brother and me.I coudnt imagine several little ones under 10. Yes kids will be kid sut there are times to sit and be still like in a store with nice things.

luvmybabies said...

Okay - let's lay off the poor Duggar girls for supposedly being "judgmental" about the dresses at Kleinfeld...those camera guys put them in an awkward situation by asking "would you rate the dress on the woman behind you..." How tacky. There was just no right answer to the question. What were they supposed to do - turn around, look, and go "oh that one's a five." Those girls are way too classy for that. Anna did her best to give a gracious answer, Jill evaded the question by making a joke, and Jessa just didn't dignify the silly question with any answer. They handled it as best they could with those boorish camera/producer guys asking them stupid questions. There were no "judgmental" looks on their faces. They were just wishing they would leave them alone.

Also, I think the Josh-bashing has gotten a little ridiculous. Wifebeater? Physically abusive? Josh is harmless. He just likes to hear himself talk and have lots of attention on himself, and he is fairly impressed with himself. Not stellar qualities, true, but not a wifebeater. I guess it's easy for me to take Josh with a grain of salt because he reminds me of my oldest brother, who is 16 years older than me. He always likes to be the leader of a situation and is a know-it-all, but he has always treated his wife of over 30 years like a princess.

I didn't Tivo this episode, but I don't recall seeing John-David around. Was he gone wife-hunting?

Anonymous said...

I just wanted to point something out, kindly. The shop is called Kleinfeld, not Kleindeld's. There is no S :)

Mia said...

John-David was probably there but actually living the character qualities his parents preach by staying modestly, quietly in the background and not drawing attention to himself on a day that wasn't about him. Unlike his brother Josh.

Too funny when Josh asked the dress lady to find his mom something "more modern" to try on. What could possibly be modern about a neck to floor, bright white wedding dress? There are only two choices: lace&sparkle or not.

Anonymous said...

I'm a little tired for hearing how hard it is to find a modest wedding dress. Ladies were I live do it fairly easily. And Mrs. Duggar was at Klinfield's were they have even mentioned on there show that they have dresses that meet strict Orthodox modesty codes(which is even stricter than the Duggars modesty rules). They have even shown ladies buying/wearing very lovely gown that met those codes. I think they even said they even have a consultant that specifically for this.

Anonymous said...

If I had gone to buy my wedding dress and had a pile of little annoying wild kids running around, you can bet I would have shot them a look! It was just inappropriate of JB and Michelle to bring the whole brood with them.

It would have been a much more fun outing for just Michelle and the girls (but of course, Jim Bob would never allow that, and of course, he can't manage the younger kids without his older daughters, so that never would have happened!).

winsomeone said...

As far as them getting a new dress though, I'm sure a lot of Duggar girls will be using that dress so I'm happy that they get the option to wear something a little more modern with some beautiful detailing. It will see it's fair share of use I'm certain.
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Michelle seems to be a lot shorter than most of the girls, and of course much thicker across the middle, so I can't see how very many of them would wear that dress in the future, once it's altered to fit Michelle. It's one thing to wear a dress your mother wore while young, quite another to wear one she wore when a middle aged woman, after multiple pregnancies.

Sarah said...

I am fairly new to this site, just one quick question. What are people reffering to when they use the word "Nike"? Thanks!

winsomeone said...

It is interesting how we are seeing more of the kids' personalities now. In the old days, I don't think we ever saw any "spunkiness", and now that little Johanna is always jumping around (as are the little boys).

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Maybe that is because Michelle actually raised some of the older children, while now the children are being raised by young inexperienced girls?

CappuccinoLife said...

What did we hear Josh say except for "Do you have anything like that?" There wasn't even any context for that little clip. It came right after JB's crack about puffed sleeves, but it's hard to tell if it was a response to that, or something else.

Yeah, he may be annoying. But abusive? Wifebeater?

Hmmm....talk about judgmental. I think theres a little of that going on around here. Perhaps a little jumping to conclusions, as well.

It's also terribly funny to see the Duggar's children being described as brats and misbehaving after so many years of hearing them described as "beaten into submission" and "little robots" and "abnormally well-behaved". They were behaving like normal children. It's just unfortunate that TLC thought it would be cute to have them at a fancy bridal shop. I think the Duggar's should have said no to that one, and I bet they wish they had done so.

Anonymous said...

WHAT A TRAIN WRECK!

All concerned contributed to this clash of cultures and idiotic nonesense. I think Kleinfeld's, the Duggars, and TLC owe the other customers an extraordinary apology for the disrupting their appointments. Morevoer, the Duggars owe Kleinfeld's a huge apology for the behavior of their raucous brood. Whatever happened to, "Don't touch and be quiet and polite" ?

It's not cute. It's obnoxious and arrogant to expect the world to smile sweetly and endure your crazed kiddies. It appeared that the cherished, and constantly-mentioned, value of self control went right out the window because JB, Josh, & M were too self-absorbed to notice and take control of the situation.

Why weren't the little ones (everyone under 12)dipatched to spend the day at the Zoo, Children's Museum of Manhatttan, Central Park nature walk, or enjoy an appropriate matinee under the supervision of the other highly experienced siblings? They could break up into smaller groups and do different activities. That would have made sense and could have been a good source for footage.

Swissmiss150 said...

As far as Kleinfeld's having modest wedding gowns, I recall one episode where a woman from an extremely strict Jewish sect (I think) came looking for a gown.

It had to have long sleeves, I think, and be 'covered up' at the neck. I'm pretty sure she found something.

winsomeone said...

First of all, to the poster commenting about Jana and WW - did you mean that you thought Jana looked heavy from the back? Surely that is not what you meant!! I think she is very thin and pretty.
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Maybe it wasn't Jana I saw but one of the other girls. But from the back, this girl had large buttocks for her body size, that moved up and down independently of one another. I didn't say she was fat, just that belonging to WW was a good idea, as that type of buttocks tend to only get larger with age. It's just the body shape she was born with, and not much she can do about it, as even though she is slim, they stood out. Just my opinion, as what you stated is just your opinion.

NancyN said...

While watching this episode I realized that Anna just bugs me to no end. I know that's not nice as she is basically a kid but... The Duggar girls are all darling and I would think anyone would like to have them as a daughter in law (even a heathen like me)

Jinger Rocks! said...

Let me get this straight:
It's immodest to wear a strapless dress...
...but it's modest to sit on your husband's lap in public?

BoyMom said...

Quote: "Why can Anna not stop staring at Josh? And why does Josh tell us all about Anna being pregnant instead of Anna herself who instead looks like she's mesmerized by her husband's face?"
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I've wondered this too!!! Has anyone else noticed this??!! I love Anna, but she always looks like a puppy looking at Josh. I get that they're newlyweds and in-love, but it seems a little over the top. I'm not snarking here, but seriously asking if part of their views are that you worship your husband?

Midwest Mom said...

posted by luvmybabies: "Josh is harmless. He just likes to hear himself talk and have lots of attention on himself, and he is fairly impressed with himself."

Josh is more than old enough to acknowledge those are not admirable qualities for a grown man.

The Duggars constantly emphasize "modesty". Well, modesty encompasses not only how you dress, but also how you ACT.

He needs to get over himself. Just because he found someone to marry him does not mean he's the center of everyone else's universe.

pumpkin said...

If anybody is interested, there are photos of Michelle trying on the dress at Kleinfeld's in the Say Yes to the Dress section of TLC's website.

http://tlc.discovery.com/tv/say-yes-dress/slideshows/michelle-duggar-wedding-dress.html

Also, I believe that next week's episode "20 years, 20 Duggars" is an hour long. I hope it is, I feel like 30 minutes just isn't enough to get into a storyline.

Mia said...

Jinger Rocks!...

I was going to mention that! Thank you. I don't see how showing your shoulders or collar bone can be seen as sooo immodest and wrong when Josh and Anna can't keep their hands off of each other in public. I'd much rather my child see a lady in a strapless dress, or a mini skirt for that matter, than have my child watching Josh and Anna with their hands all over each other.

Anonymous said...

It's immodest to wear a decent bathing suit or to show one's arms, but not immodest to show near CONSTANT PDA? I mean really! Josh and Anna are embarrassing to watch, with them pawing all over each other, and now Jim Bob and Michelle have gotten into the kissing and touching game! It seems that PDA would certainly be considered immodest! Keep it in the bedroom kids!

kidznpupz said...

I was very disturbed by this episode. As a previous poster had nentioned Kleinfelds does indeed have a consultant for brides - especially conservative Jewish brides who need modest dresses. They do indeed have or can alter dresses so your chest and arms are covered. There even was an episode with a Jewish bride who needed a more modest dress. So - this episode with the Duggars was twisted in such a way to make fun of their beliefs. To make them seem ridiculous and out of touch. I have a friend who is a conservative Jew and when her daughter was married they simply chose a dress, ordered more fabric from the designer and took it to a skilled dressmaker who re-made the top and created a gorgeous dress that filled her modest requirement. Michelle's dress looks like they just took a dress and sewed a satin tee shirt underneath - not at all attractive IMHO.
The kids were totally out of control. I think Johanna is adorable but it's a miracle she doesn't severely hurt herself. I think that with each new addition the little ones get less and less of Michelle and are being raised by "babysitters" meaning their inexperienced older sisters. That's a recipe for disaster. Michelle needs to do some hands-on time with those kids - soon.

Anonymous said...

Hi, I've been lurking for quite awhile, but wanted to add my two cents to this discussion. As on many blogs we lose site of the facts - in this case, on what was presented on the show and form opinions, many times negative, about the subject. I enjoy the Duggar's show, respect their choices, commend them on their strong family - especially during these trying times. I don't necessarily feel TLC's involvement in their lives has brought only positive influences, but will leave that to JB and M to work out.

The family was in NY for a TLC function (which was shown on a previous episode) so they did not make a trip there to buy a dress for Michelle. The whole family was in attendance because it was for the 'show'. As later posts have said, the dress was finally chosen by Michelle and the girls. (< :

Michelle's dress was not purchased by the Duggars or anyone - it was a promotion from TLC and/or the Kleinfelds - the same as with the Gosselins.

Michelle said in the show that they had less than 1 weeks time (5 days I think) from finding out they were pregnant until the vow renewal and that the alterations on the dress which had already been chosen had to be rushed to meet their date and accomodate her growing body. I believe the date was August 22, but may be mistaken.

The pastor who married them 25 years ago was asked to return to for the vow renewal - to take place at the same church where they were originally married.

I don't question the Duggars desire to renew their vows, but am sad that TLC played a hand in it. I hope that TLC's part ended with arranging the wedding dress for Michelle, but will have to wait till next week to see for myself. I am happy to see that TLC did not fly the whole family to an exotic place for the ceremony, along with a 3 week vacation, new wardrobes.......well, you know that story.

What a contrast between the Gosselin's and the Duggar's ceremonies. The Duggars -- reusing do it yourself wedding decorations, wearing previously worn clothes, homemade food, family and friends. I'm trying very hard to overlook the role TLC played in all this....very hard, and hoping I'm pleased with how it all turned out.

Anonymous said...

When we compare the behavior of the Duggar and Gosseling children we have to remember the number of adults employed in a supervisory position to accomplish what each family does. When the Gosselins travel together they have 2 parents, 2 (sometimes 3) nannies or helpers, and at least 1 security person. That makes 5-6 adults to attend to 8 children.

Applying the same ratio of .625 adults for every child means 9+ adults would be supervising 14 of the youngest Duggar children. Hmmm.... I only count 2, JB and M (or 4 if you count Josh and Anna). That shows me why I shouldn't compare the Gosselin and Duggar kids behaviors - at home or in public.

nccalgal said...

It disturbs me that so many have assumed that just because this family believes that the man is the head of the family, that all of a sudden he morphs into some controlling beast who would abuse his wife or children at the drop of a hat. The same passage that tells wives to submit to the authority of their husbands tells the husband to love their wives in a sacrificial manner. TLC films with a certain focus in mind, so just because we only see the older girls going out when the family goes out doesn't mean they are prisoners and don't have the freedom to "leave the compound" unescorted. I think that also applies to many of the scenes where the little ones seem to be unsupervised. The filming crew spots them doing something funny or unusual and has them do it again for the cameras. Tom, the sound man, could have called a halt when Johannah started to climb on him; it may be something she does on a regular basis since the kids seem to be very comfortable with the crew and the crew seems to join in with the family more than we ever saw on the other TLC shows. In other episodes we have seen Michelle or Jim Bob correct one of the younger ones when they misbehaved. I recall the show where Michelle had taken the boys to the thrift store for shoes and one of the younger boys started getting rowdy; she put a stop to that very quickly.

Anonymous said...

The older children count as adults, and in fact, are responsible for raising the younger siblings, and are put in a parenting role. They seem not to ever discipline their siblings, and let them do things like eat off the floor, chew on dirty things, climb everywhere, etc.

I can't really blame the older girls for not wanting to discipline, since it isn't their job, after all (it should be the parents'), but this is why the younger ten kids seem signficantly more unruly than the older kids did when they were younger. Michelle should stop producing children and start actually raising them.

Hopewell said...

This episode was annoying. "Vow ReMOVAL" indeed. How stupid to have all those kids along dress shopping. So much for "training" their children. Doesn't anyone in that family have brains enough to bring something along to amuse them? THAT would be a GREAT time for those "Creation" videos on a small dvd screen! I'm all for celebrating 25 years in a big way, but the dress and shopping trip were just stupid. What's next? Michelle + 18?

theresa said...

I don't know what is causing the shift with the young Duggar kids bad behavior. When the series began, bad behavior was not tolerated, and always corrected. Now the house seems like a free for all. I'm wondering if the reason behind it is that the small kids are outnumbering the older, and a lot of the youngest are rambunctious boys who are a bad example to the whole younger set.

Mrs P said...

About the younger children's 'bad' behavior: One word-EDITING

About the girls being asked to 'rate' the dresses:
That was really not nice of the producers to do. The girls seemed very uncomfortable with the question, embarassed and really did not seem to like being put on the spot. They didn't like it at all, it was very obvious.

Mrs P

Anonymous said...

I have wondered about the shift in the children's behavior too. The old Michelle would not tolerate such chaos, but all of this discipline and "training" is too much for the older girls to handle. They are too young and it isn't, or shouldn't be, their responsibility. I am quite frankly shocked by how ill-behaved the younger children are these days, with all the climbing and running around and hanging on adults, or out windows or just generally creating noise and commotion wherever they go.

Michelle seems nonplused, which I dont quite understand. She did not even make an effort to discipline the children in the wedding dress store. I would never have allowed my children to behave like that, and to interrupt other people's experience in those ways. It really surprised me, actually, because the children used to be almost too well behaved. It's an odd transformation, but I think Michelle has just given up on child rearing 100%, and this is yet one more area where that is very evident.

Joanna said...

Mrs P said...
About the younger children's 'bad' behavior: One word-EDITING
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I agree. And really and truely in the earlier specials, they rarely showed the children just being children. We rarely saw them in an unorganized situation. People used to say that these children don't get to be children because we never saw it. Now we are seeing them being just children and some are shocked.

Personally, I love that so much of the show is just showing the children being children, even michivious children. That 'is" children just being children and proves that the Duggars do let them just be children. And as a person who just loves children, I personially love those parents, especially Johanna.

That dosen't mean I approve of the little children being the bridal shop. They aren't perfect. And I would have been just as uncomfortable as the girls if I was asked to rate the dresses on modesty on camera.

cassandrau said...

Deb W said...
I was surprised Kleinfelds did not have anything more modest for M to try, but (I'm a regular watcher of that show too) I'm pretty sure I heard someone say once they didn't have a dress in the store with sleeves - just little shoulder 'caps.' on some. Don't they ever have any Orthodox women come in there to look for a dress?

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I, too, watch Say Yes to the Dress and remember vividly--because I want it for my own wedding!--a young Orthodox Jewish woman coming in looking for a modest dress, and ended up with a GORGEOUS beyond gorgeous white dress with sleeves that come down to her elbows, but it was off the shoulders (no cleavage or anything showing, obviously), so I don't think Michelle would have wanted it.

cassandrau said...

To the poster who said she would not be bothered if the Duggar children were in Kleinfeld while she was shopping for her dress, I pose to you a situation:

You have just found the dress of your dreams. You are in tears and in an overwhelming joyous emotional state...then in pops a Duggar child doing somersaults next to you.

I'm sorry, but I would have walked out if they had been there when I was there.

theresa said...

What I find surprising is that the Duggar boys were allowed in that shop. After all, most of the dresses women were trying on were not "duggar modest." Were they all instructed to keep their eyes on the floor? Was "NIKE" yelled repeatedly? On one episode one of the girls covered a woman on the TV screen for not being modest enough. How did those poor boys handle seeing a real, in person woman wearing non-modest attire? I'm sure even some of the manneqins were too risque for the Duggar boys.

Anonymous said...

On the children's behavior being due to editing...

I'm not sure how you can edit in behavior that doesn't exist. You can edit to make it look like someone has a reaction other than what they really do, because you just cut a reaction from somewhere else. But if we see the children doing certain things in the store, they did those things in the store. "Good behavior" moments may have been edited from in between the "bad behavior" moments, but they still happened. "Good behavior" moments in between "bad behavior" moments don't undo inappropriate behavior. The behavior still happened. And let's be honest, an extremely upscale bridal salon is NOT meant for children. The Duggar kids were acting like kids, which is fine if they're in a place meant for kids, but they weren't. The kids shouldn't have been at the store.

-Emily

kalyse86 said...

theresa said...
"What I find surprising is that the Duggar boys were allowed in that shop. After all, most of the dresses women were trying on were not "duggar modest." Were they all instructed to keep their eyes on the floor? Was "NIKE" yelled repeatedly? On one episode one of the girls covered a woman on the TV screen for not being modest enough. How did those poor boys handle seeing a real, in person woman wearing non-modest attire? I'm sure even some of the manneqins were too risque for the Duggar boys."

I was also surprised that the boys were in the shop as well. Especially since it was clear that most of the girls thought some of the women's dresses were immodest even though they wouldn't come right out and say it. You know what would be an interesting idea for an episode? The Duggars meet Lady GaGa! Now that would be something to see considering their views about modesty. The Duggars wouldn't know what hit them. LOL Just j/k. I like the Duggars even though I don't agree with everything they do and I find some of their views to be extreme. They seem like very decent people.

MomOfThree said...

I have to agree wholeheartedly with the posters that said it was inappropriate for the whole Duggar clan to descend upon the bridal shop and it's unsuspecting clientele.

Had I been a bride-to-be there (especially a first-time one!), I would have been upset and annoyed that my "fairy-tale" experience of choosing my dream dress would be spoiled by not only a bunch of little kids turning somersaults and chasing each other but by adolescent boys and grown men (to say nothing of a TV crew) sitting steps away from me while I am trying on gowns.

It is not uncommon to have the shop's staff "fit" the dresses while the bride is in them; the result of this "adjustment" means that sometimes the dress is pulled up, pulled down, gathered in front or back and this can leave the bride "exposed" in just her underclothes (sometimes just a thong and strapless bra or no bra at all, depending on the dress being tried on). I have been in shops with friends or family where the brides have just pulled dresses on and off in front the mirrors, which were more or less out in the open, so the people who were with them could all see the gowns. Since it was only women there, some of the brides were pretty "casual" about just disrobing. I can't imagine that the brides there that day felt at all comfortable doing this. Further, for the life of me, I cannot imagine why in the world Jim Bob and the older boys would have gone along with the idea that they should be there.

Anonymous said...

I just don't think that the family thinks of the feelings or sensibilities of others, which is strange, since they claim that they do. If so, they would never have brought all those boys and men into the bridal shop, or the little kids jumping around. They would not have gone to the Ethiopian restuarant and made comments and rolled eyes, or to the public school. Josh and Anna would not do so much PDA, because it just isn't appropriate. Michelle wouldn't breast feed 24/7. She and Jim Bob would show more decorum and also not as much PDA!

The children and parents have been so sequestered from society for so long, that they seem not to know the appropriate norms. Sometimes, it isn't all about oneself or ones own family, but the feelings of others. I don't think they think of these always.

mythreesons said...

Reality shows are some of the most unrealistic TV out there, and with the Duggars, TLC relishes setting them up in fish-out-of-water situations. I wonder if the other "brides" were plants since TLC would have to have anyone who was "caught" in the taping sign waivers to allow them to show them on the air. I can't imagine Klienfeld tolerating that many extra bodies just sitting and tumbling around during a regular business day. When my daughter-in-law was shopping for her dress at a local bridal shop, she was asked to limit the number of "extras" so as not to intrude on others who would also be there shopping for their dresses as well. As several have mentioned, Klienfeld has provided modest dresses for others with conservative beliefs so Michelle should have had her choice of several dresses that would have suited her without having to add a silk t-shirt to a strapless gown.
As far as the children's behavior, there's no telling how long they were there taping for this episode as well as for the Yes to the Dress episode. Even the best behaved child or children can only be good for so long. There should have been some type of arrangement made for the youngest ones at least to have some alternate activity after a reasonable amount of time at the store.

Anonymous said...

Most of my thoughts have already been mentioned several times(creepy Josh, child-like Anna, the rugrats running around the shop) so I will make a suggestion of a different sort.

Since TLC seems to be big on the cross-over episodes, why not have Michelle & the girls on "What Not to Wear?" It's not that they dress really bad, but it could be a challenge for Stacy & Clinton to find appropriate clothing at a thrift store or flea market and get them into something different than jean skirts and polo shirts.

CappuccinoLife said...

If the kids had sat perfeclty still, they'd have been labeled "robots" and we'd be hearing about how JB and Michelle obviously have stifled them.

They weren't behaving badly. They were behaving like kids. The dress shop was just an inappropriate place to bring children, and I think TLC is mostly at fault for that. The Duggars should have said no to it, but they may not have realized what they were getting into.

We also did not see whether the children were corrected or not. That nobody bothered to discipline them is merely an assumption, as what we saw were a few seconds of toddlers tumbling, nothing more.

I suppose it would have been better if Michelle had whipped out a wooden spoon and swatted her naughty "brats"? That would have gone over real well.

Andrea said...

I feel a little guilty after this episode....I only have 2 kids, ages 5 and 2, and whenever my husband I need to go shopping for something (most recently, a car) we have the grandparents babysit the kids. I'm unable to concentrate with just my 2. I admire Michelle and Jim Bob because they do take all the kids with them mostly everywhere they go. I know the older ones help out a lot but that is still a lot of kids to look after while shopping. I couldn't do it, wish I could, but I do admire them for including the kids. I sometimes feel like I should include my kids more. But they do have fun at the grandparents.

Anonymous said...

I think it's interesting that the Duggars have given so much thought to what is inappropriate for their children to view or read, yet haven't given the same consideration to what is an inappropriate environment to bring a pack of small children into. The kids behaved exactly like you would expect bored, energetic children to behave when trapped in a store for a period of time. I don't think the children should have been chastised for that. I just don't think it was wise to bring them in the first place and when it became apparent that they were behaving inappropriately for a high-end bridal salon but clearly acting their age, I would have cut the visit short and taken the kids to the park. Some of this could have been avoided by providing something for the kids to do while waiting, but even that is only going to last so long. This is why most people wouldn't bring children in the first place. I understand the point of view that we should be accommodating to children but isn't part of that recognizing that some outings just aren't going to be enjoyable for them?

Anonymous said...

what do people mean when they say "nike"?

Midwest Mom said...

Jim Bob said on the episode where the children visit the dentist, that he and Michelle "encourage the children to practice self-control in everything they do."

I didn't see any self-control in the shenanigans going on with the smaller children at Kleinfeld.

But then again, Josh & Anna can't seem to exercise any self-control in their over-the-top public displays of affection, so maybe I'm expecting too much from this family. Anna's "lap-sitting" is immature to say the least.

Denise said...

"Applying the same ratio of .625 adults for every child means 9+ adults would be supervising 14 of the youngest Duggar children. Hmmm.... I only count 2, JB and M (or 4 if you count Josh and Anna). That shows me why I shouldn't compare the Gosselin and Duggar kids behaviors - at home or in public."

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Actually, though not the case of this particular episode (since I didn't spot Grandma Duggar or Susanna at Klienfeld), most often we see the Duggar family traveling with atleast 9 adults (Michelle, JimBob, Grandma Duggar, Susanna (Anna's Sister who spent the summer with J&A), Josh, Anna, Jill (who is 18 and legally an adult), and John David and Jana (who are 19 and also legal adults). Then, you consider the fact that Jessa and Jinger are teenagers, responsible for several of their siblings on a regular basis anyway and who never appear to cause any type of behavior problem, you are left with 12 children being supervised by 9 adults and 2 teenage older siblings. That pretty much evens them up with the Gosselins in the caregiver to child ratio.

Snap! said...

Nike- is a code word for the Duggars- when someone is not appropriately dresses the older girls say Nike- the boys then all look at their feet until the coast is clear.

pumpkin said...

"what do people mean when they say "nike"?"

There was an episode where Jana explains that when they are out in public and they see a woman who is dressed in a provocative manner, they will say the word "Nike" so that the boys will know to look at their shoes so that they will not stare at the woman.

Also, in the episode where the family visits Dollywood, Michelle is leading the children through the entrance and she clearly says "Nike!" but the woman they are referring to is not on the screen.

Anonymous said...

I think that the little kids were brought to the dress shop just so TLC would have some additional action shots, rather that having just a whole bunch of tape of JB and Josh offering their opinions and the older girls averting their eyes from the immodest dress.

"Nike" is the Duggar code word to alert the guys in the group to avert their eyes from a woman dressed immodestly.

One additional thought on the whole idea of accepting help or generous gifts such as a dress from Kleinfeld graciously: I can't help but think that Jim Bob & Michelle could pull the plug on this whole thing at anytime. True, they may be contractually obligated to some extent, but as the leaders of this family, they must have some say in where the camera goes, and if for example Michelle truely thought this dress was just too much, she could have turned it down. My thought, the fame has gone to their head a bit and while maybe not greedy, they are beginning to think they deserve all of these things by virtue of having the show.

gotsomewheelsnow said...

I wonder why a family like the Duggars with their conservative lifestyle and clothing style would ever be talked into going to a place like Kleinfeld? I realize they were already in New York and TLC wanted a crossover episode, but seriously that's just not the Duggar's style. I'm sure they could have gotten her a very nice dress in Arkansas and I think she would have been much more comfortable doing so.

It bothers me to see TLC inserting more and more travel and freebies into the Duggars' lives. Although I'm certain Michelle sincerely appreciated the dress TLC should not have put her and the entire family through the Kleinfeld experience. Could the Duggars have said no??

I don't see Jim Bob and Michelle going the way of Jon and Kate, but they are slowly but surely changing. Change can be good - but in their case I wish it were more choices for their children in education and careers. Several of the teenagers are in their late teens finished with homeschooling - wonder what they're doing to prepare for the future (other than wait for a courting partner.) There just doesn't seem to be a lot of ambition there to begin careers and begin to create their own paths in life.

Anonymous said...

I'd think the whole Kleinfeld trip would be one ongoing NIKE moment! I don't think I heard a single NIKE spoken though! Strange when one considers the number of strapless gowns and women in various stages of undress!

Harriet said...

Just my opinion, but the dumbest Duggar episode to date. If their real lives don't provide enough drama, then don't copy another show Sean (producer). Making that dress "modest" was such a wreck of an alteration. She could have put a shirt on under it and accomplished the same thing. This episode gave rise to the dumbest thing I've heard from Michelle that Kleinfeld wasn't able to accommodate the young children's activity. Get real woman, did you really expect that a wedding gown shop was the right place for anyone under about 16 unless trying on flower girl dresses?

If this is where the Duggars are heading, it's time to pull the plug. I never thought that I'd say it but these shows are starting to make Matt Roloff look smart. I haven't seen the Roloffs manipulated into truly fake stuff just to cross-promote another show and the business it represents.

Anonymous said...

I have been wondering whether the older girls will be permitted to court. Who will take care of the younger children if Jana and Jill are married off? The two of them do so much of the family work. I realize that JoyAnna will fill in, to some extent, but we know the boys won't, and Michelle either is incapable or unwilling to do the work necessary to raise her younger children.

I worry that Jana and Jill and Jessa will still be living at home and caring for siblings when they are near 30. Or at least 25. Michelle and Jim Bob cannot let them go until all of the youngest kids are at least 5-10 years old. How I wish that those older kids could begin to make some choices for themselves but I just don't see it happening.

Anonymous said...

I'm torn about what to feel about this episode. I have to say that earlier today there was a rerun,back from when the show was just called "17 Kids and Counting." They showed the episode where the Bates family came to visit the Duggars, and they all went to a Christian "amusement park." Watching this episode again made me realize how much the family really has changed over the course of their involvement with TLC. Back then, there's no way we would have seen Michelle at a place like Kleinfeld. They were just so much more themselves back then. However, I still can't help but being a little happy for the older children that they are having more opportunities now and are able to explore life outside of their family a little. Before, they were going to Christian amusement parks, and the focus of the show was to showcase them as "different." Now, it seems the focus has shifted to putting them in "normal" situations to see how they handle it. At least this way, the kids are getting to experience things they wouldn't have normally experienced. I can't decide whether that's a good thing or a bad thing, but those are my thoughts when comparing past episodes to this new dress episode.

AGAIN? said...

Yeah, and did you notice hoow those kids ran around? Reminds me of the behavior of the Gosselin kids...and many people think they act horribly!

the low road said...

This episode gave rise to the dumbest thing I've heard from Michelle that Kleinfeld wasn't able to accommodate the young children's activity. Get real woman, did you really expect that a wedding gown shop was the right place for anyone under about 16 unless trying on flower girl dresses?

I agree!
Have they ever thought of bringing some books?

pumpkin said...

I just saw the "Say yes to the dress" episode with the Duggars. I have to say, Josh came across better in this episode, where he was telling his dad that it isn't 1980 and nobody wears puffy sleeves any more.

The Kleinfeld staff clearly thought the kids were out of control.

I was surprised that Michelle wouldn't have one of her daughters help her with getting into the dress. Instead she kicked the Kleinfeld lady out of the dressing room and tried to do it all by herself. Surely having a daughter help her would have preserved her modesty but made things a lot easier! I have tried on wedding dresses alone and also with a friend or my mom to help and it is MUCH easier with someone else!!

Anyway, I really enjoyed getting to see the Duggars from someone else's perspective, that was really interesting to me.

Anonymous said...

After watching the Say Yes to the Dress episode, I now see more than ever why some posters here have said the men rule the roost and the women are subservient in this family.

Each dress they (it was evident this was a group effort) tried on, Michelle has to make sure her husband and eldest son were happy with it before she gave her own opinion. Even when the Kleinfeld staff member (Joan?) specifically asked Michelle first, she was hesitant to answer and looked at Jim Bob before she said yes.

Did anyone else think it was a little odd that Michelle didn't want any help getting into the dresses? I can't imagine her undergarments are immodest. While I realize a doctor's office is different, for a woman who's had so many kids (how many times at the ob/gyn office would that be?) and walks around with a baby hanging off her half the time, she certainly does like to pick & choose her sensibilities. What..she thought Joan was going to look at her with lust???

mom4 said...

I missed the Duggar version of this but just caught Say Yes To The Dress. All I can say is 'ugh'. The dress was ridiculous. Michelle looked like a football player in it. And the constant kissing was over the top. Michelle seemed very uncomfortable with the whole thing. The kids had no reason being there. The older ones looked bored to death. The whole thing was embarrassingly bad.

Susan said...

I don't know why modest has to mean a neckline up to her chin. Kleinfeld's shouldn't have had such a hard time. They have dresses for Orthodox Jewish brides who also have to dress modestly.And they don't wear that ugly modestly shirt underneath.

roddma said...

to the poster who commented about head of the house no it doesnt mean they are beasts but the problem here as some say is the attitude like a power over you I believe some cases are clearly only a woman's decision like buying dresses Michelle shouldnt need JB or Josh's opinion on it. I cringe at submissiveness it is taken out of context and written ages ago. Andrea Yates tried to be submissive and look what happened The husband is to be submissive back and further needs to be living Godly himself if you read further.
******Modesty is different to everyone. Why should sisters be looking out for immodesty? It should be the older ones looking out for younger ones regardless of gender. If they think someone is immodestly they can just turn thei rheads instead of 12 year olds hollering Nike for adult men.None of them actually answered the rating question except Anna I think.

ND251 said...

Did anyone notice in the "Say Yes to the Dress" episode that when all of the kids were filing into the store Anna was literally HANGING off of Josh!? What the heck? They've been married for a year and are about to have a child--get over yourselves. It's just embarrassing how Anna hangs off Josh and stairs at his face constantly.

I honestly do not think that Jim Bob is controlling. I think he was opinionated because Michelle didn't seem to be speaking up as much. Usually Michelle is quite opinionated but I think she was a little bit overwhelmed. However, Josh's comments were completely unnecessary.

I also do not understand why all their children had to come along. This episode made the family look VERY bad. I don't think the show should be shut down but this episode was not good for the family's image. I truly believe that the Duggars are good people.

Amanda33 said...

I found it interesting that on "say yes to the dress" michelle was coming out in all these wedding dresses, looking very uncomfortable trying to hide her "baby belly" and there sat a very pregnant Anna with a slightly sullen look on her face watching her husband give his mother fashion advice. Enjoy your life Anna, this is now what is in store for you as well. I think reality was (in part) hitting home a little bit for Anna. I really feel bad for her. But I am also very annoyed at the constant PDA with her and Josh. It's uncomfortable and strange. You would think that in such a conservative family enough would be enough after awhile. I guess it's appropriate to be all over each other in public only if you're married?

Anonymous said...

The constant PDA is so strange for a supposedly modest and conservative family. On the one hand, they don't allow their teenage boys to have a second of privacy (and have to sleep in a dorm room with the nine younger brothers), so they don't have any "uncomfortable feelings". They can't be alone on a date, and no kissing before marriage. They wear those awful ugly "modest" bathing suits (when a normal modest one piece with a pair of shorts would be appropriate)_ and Michelle won't even allow anyone in the dressing room to help her get into a wedding dress. They are so modest in these ways.

But then they get married,and we all have to witness constant PDA, with josh and Anna hanging all over each other 24/7 and Jim Bob and Michelle constantly kissing, holding hands, and ignoring their children?

It doesn;t really make a lot of sense. Modestly, true modesty, would say that all that kissing and hanging all over each other should be kept in private, between the husband and wife. It's nice for couples to be affectionate, but these two couples are out of control and embarrassing. And it doesn't fit at all with "modesty". Think about it.

suze said...

I also believe the Duggars are good people, I just feel they are so distanced from anything most people would consider 'typical' or 'norm' for average society. They seem to have no clue about how the world operates. I can't understand why the older kids are still so involved. Josh, Jana, John-David and I think Jill are all 18 or older. Why are they still so attached at the hip to M&J-B? They need to be out exploring and living their own lives, not following Mommy and Daddy all around the country. But that is what M&J-B want I guess. They do not encourage self expression and independence.

winsomeone said...

"I missed the Duggar version of this but just caught Say Yes To The Dress. All I can say is 'ugh'. The dress was ridiculous. Michelle looked like a football player in it."
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I thought the dress was quite ugly, and she did look large, but then I think she just is after so many babies. Someone said in an earlier comment that Michelle was a size 8. Hardly, she is at least a size 14, and maybe even larger than that.

I just pray she doesn't have a handicapped child one of these times, or several of the girls will be kept home forever to care of it. I think it's sad that Jim Bob decides about courting, and it's in their best interests if the girls don't marry until they finish raising the younger ones.

Angie said...

I think Kleinfelds knew the Duggars were coming, so they should've provided some small toys or something to entertain them. I agree with Michelle that they weren't very accomodating. I'm sure it wasn't Michelle's idea to have all the little kids with her when trying on dresses. Most moms would've left the little guys somewhere more appropriate, but for the ratings....

I don't think Anna was looking sullen. She was just looking normal. What did you want her to do? Plaster a big smile on her face? I hate it when other people pretend to know what someone is thinking by the look on their face. I have never heard Anna say one jealous comment, but everyone posts like she is angry and jealous all the time.

I loved it when the dress arrived and all the older girls were oohhing and awwing over it. I hope they can take it in a little and let their older girls use it in their weddings. That would make it very special!

Mandy said...

I wouldn't be surprised to find out that one or more of the older girls are courting someone right now. With Josh we didn't find out about Anna until he was proposing to her. They're probably trying to protect the relationship from the media until they know it's going to be a permanent one.

Anonymous said...

To the anonymous poster who mentioned modesty and PDA... I completely agree! I never thought of it that way before, but reading your post made me realize something... if the Duggars are so intent on not having their children (especially the boys) think lustful thoughts or be alone to think about these things, as you mentioned, wouldn't they NOT want them to witness this PDA? I obviously don't think PDA between family members would incite lustful thoughts... that's actually pretty disturbing... but just following their logic, if anything is going to provoke thoughts of lust in boys or give them ideas they wouldn't have had before (riiiiight), then it would be watching their brother and his wife hanging ALL over each other. Don't you think, if anything, after a while this is going to make those boys want to see what that's all about? You can definitely go too far with the modesty thing, but now it seems like they are throwing it in their faces at the same time, but they don't recognize that they are doing that.
-Christina

Nana said...

I admire the Duggars' values, but they do seem to think that modesty equates to frumpy, dowdy and unattractive.
I, myself, am a very modest person and I would not think of wearing suggestive clothing. That said, I do try to look nice in my modest clothes.

Could someone please inform me as to what PDA means?

Thanks

Anonymous said...

Angie said...

"I think Kleinfelds knew the Duggars were coming, so they should've provided some small toys or something to entertain them. I agree with Michelle that they weren't very accomodating. I'm sure it wasn't Michelle's idea to have all the little kids with her when trying on dresses."

Sorry, but I disagree. Kleinfeld's is not an establishment meant for children so it's not their job to provide entertainment for children. I don't think the children should have been there at all, but if Jim Bob and Michelle decided to bring them they are the ones who should have provided books or something for the kids. That's called being a parent. Jim Bob and Michelle seriously dropped the ball.

As for it not being Michelle's idea, it probably wasn't. It was probably TLC's idea, but Michelle should have known it would be inappropriate to have all the kids there and put her foot down. If TLC has that much control that Michelle couldn't have said "Just the older girls and I are going," the Jim Bob and Michelle have a major problem.

-Chris

Anonymous said...

PDA stands for Public Display of Affection and ususally refers to hugging, kissing, etc. between boyfriend and girlfriend or husband and wife in front of other people who don't necessarily want to see it.

Swissmiss150 said...

I just realized it's very likely that the Duggars have never seen "Say Yes to the Dress." They very rarely watch TV.

So they may have walked in there not not realizing what a fancy place it was.

imaamy said...

Yes but the producers, sound people, camera people, PAs all knew what they were taking them to and if it was during normal store hours, it was very rude to the other patrons. Again they were trying to make the Duggars look like rubes. The puffy sleeves comment was staged.

Harriet said...

I think it's time for the Duggars to start thinking about not signing up for another season. TLC is starting to control their lives and the slant of the show just like they did with the Gosselins. It's time to jump off the train before TLC treats them like trained monkeys.

Anonymous said...

Whether or not the Duggars have seen "Say Yes to the Dress", I am sure that they are aware that a wedding dress store is not an appropriate place for 20 people, including 10 rambunctious little kids.

If this was TLCs idea, and I suspect it was, it goes to show how much the show is beginning to control the family. It would be wise for them to get out NOW, before they fall completely off the deep end and lose their entire moral compass (it's pretty lost as it is).

Sharla said...

I see sharks on the horizon.

wrangler said...

hmm, Deja Vu.

So now the Duggars are officially on the TLC track. New dress, check. Vow renewal, check. Product placement, oh yeah. I see where this is going.

So, Jim Bob, to you I say: to whom much has been given, much will be required.

Anonymous said...

I agree with you Sharla, they are circling around.

-Katydid

Jenn said...

for the people who have commented that we've never seen the kids be kids before, i recall in the On the Road with 16 Kids, they showed the kids riding bike and the parents telling them to be careful, when the special aired about the house being finished, one of the kids was seen roping the stairs and it ended with one of them jumping off a swingset. the first special the little kids were playing in the dirt. we never saw the kids being kids as much because it was a one hour special.

Anonymous said...

Michelle looked very uncomfortable in this episode. I don't think she liked all the attention and the focus on her body. After 18 kids she must have some major 'jowls of a dog'. I'm wondering if Dr Glassman will offer her a tummy tuck after the babies are done arriving?

Keri said...

The comments about Jim Bob and Michelle "might not know" this because they don't watch tv or because they don't go places and do things that most secular people do is getting OLD.

These people are in their FORTIES. If they don't know by now that 20 people, with 6-8 of them being very young children, don't belong in a bridal boutique then they have really missed the bus.

Ignorance is no excuse. If you have that many kids you have an obligation to make sure you are taking your brood to child appropriate places and Kleinfelds is NOT one of those places.

Snap! said...

It does seem like the Duggar children stay close to their parents even in their late teens- but we don't know what happens when the cameras are turned off. Do they go to town- visit friends- only people in their town could tell us.
We are not shown everything- just what TLC wants us to see. I would be surprised if all the kids follow this path in life- there will be a rebel. I'm the youngest of a large family- the dynamics change alot in a family as people grow up- get married- have kids- get sick- and sometimes get divorced. Life happens.

mooncakes said...

Can you say Jon and Kate? You'd think the Duggars would know better.

Anonymous said...

I don't think the Duggars will go the way of Jon & Kate. While JB & Michelle might not have a great deal of formal education, I think they have a firm grasp of what the viewers want to see and what TLC wants.

Unlike J&K who really have no excuse for their behavior, the Duggars are consistently falling back on the same (tired) old premise that they live a different life, a simple life, and cannot be expected to know how to act properly in an Ethiopian restaurant or a high-end dress shop. Come on now, how long have they been doing the show? To coin a popular phrase, they have raised their freak flag and are waving it with pride in the name of ratings.

Dallas said...

With each of these "family outings" to the big city it makes me wonder how this will affect the children and their views on the world. Will this cause some of the daughters to forgo getting married and instead focus on a career? What if some of the children decide they do not want to be parents?
Lets say one of the children decides to enter a career that is not usually associated with their gender(ie: son wants to be a dress designer)?
We have not seen any real conflict between what the children have been raised to believe in from their parents and how other people in the world live.
It will be intersting to see how many of the children will grow up to follow the same lifestyle as their parents

Anonymous said...

I think that what bothers me most about the show, aside from the older sisters doing all of the childcare and housework (as virtual slaves in their own home) is the way that the Duggars have compromised their values.

Now they have become caracatures of themselves, so that their original lifestyle, which was interesting because of its differences, is all but lost now. Their desire to be kind of "freakishly different", all in the name of ratings, seems pathetic. It makes their strong stance on so many issues (including the modesty, NIKE, etc.) hypocritical in light of what they are willing to compromise for the camera.

I do wonder if Jim Bob and Michelle ever look at each other at night and wonder how they became a freak show, or if Jim Bob is too busy counting the money he makes from exploiting his family. Either way, it is sad to me, because I think they were a good and decent family, in the beginning, but ruined by TV, as so many families are.

Again? said...

suze said...

I also believe the Duggars are good people, I just feel they are so distanced from anything most people would consider 'typical' or 'norm' for average society. They seem to have no clue about how the world operates. I can't understand why the older kids are still so involved. Josh, Jana, John-David and I think Jill are all 18 or older. Why are they still so attached at the hip to M&J-B? They need to be out exploring and living their own lives, not following Mommy and Daddy all around the country. But that is what M&J-B want I guess. They do not encourage self expression and independence.

10/03/2009 8:29 AM

Maybe they are getting paid by TLC (the adult children) and look at this as their job?

gotsomewheelsnow said...

Since we're not privy to the Duggars' day-to-day lives, but only edited television shows, it's impossible for us to know exactly what the older children do with their time. Admittedly, from the show, it appears they're always with the parents and younger siblings.

It would be a pleasant surprise to learn on one of the episodes that Jana is pursuing courses to become a midwife or that John David has begun taking flying lessons. Hopefully they are all doing something to pursue their dreams.

As I mentioned in the paragraph above, we only see an edited tv show each week -- I can only hope that more is going on Jana, Jon David, Jessa, Jill and Jinger's lives than we see. As for Josh, I'm afraid his life is very shortly going to become very different. Anna's going to have a lot more to do than look adoringly at him and that may be pretty tough on his ego.

Deborah said...

TLC is slowly changing this clan as well. (Althought with the 'other' clan, the seeds were already there.)

STOP THE FREEBIES AND TRIPS! Let the Duggars be the Duggars!

pogo said...

I don't think anyone from under Joyanna or the older boys and Jim Bob needed to be there. The rest could have gone to the Empire State Bldg, touring etc. And the others here who mentioned that they do have Jewish modest brides that do come to this store, then there should not have been a problem getting all thoses modest dresses available for the Duggars. Though I don't understand why they did not make Michelle a gown, thoses in the store are very expensive.

Harriet said...

The Kleinfeld lady did explain the dress problem. Michelle needed the dress within 3 weeks or so. There was no time to order one made so she had to take one from stock that was close to her size. They apparently didn't have anything in stock close to her size in the very modest line. I noticed the beginning of the Say Yes to the Dress episode (that may be where the explanation was) that an apparently modest bride was in a long sleeved high necklined dress.

Anonymous said...

In response to "gotsomewheelsnow" regarding the childrens' pursuits that we may not be seeing on TV... I have always felt the same, hoping that they are doing something with their lives and maybe we just aren't seeing it. I got a little encouraged when I saw the Weight Watchers episode, because I realized that, although WW isn't exactly a hobby or anything, it was still something that we weren't aware of Jana participating in before, so that led me to think there may be other activities we aren't aware of as well. I also remember on one of the episodes during the Bates' remodel, Anna was talking about missing some Bradley classes (I think that's what they were called?) about preparing for labor, and she mentioned that Jana had taken the classes before, so she could fill her in. This is also something we never saw on TV and never would have known about if it didn't come up. I don't know why Jana took those classes exactly, but at least it's encouraging to know that MAYBE the older children are participating in a variety of things that we may never know about. I wish TLC would focus, if only just for one episode, on the older kids as individuals so we could find out some of these things rather than just parading them around as a family and leading us to believe that they don't have their own lives. I was very surprised to see just ONE child going to WW with the parents! I'd like to see more things like that.
-Christina

Willow #1 said...

Regarding what Anonymous 10/3 1:27 p.m. had to say about the PDA in front of the single boys - I had that thought also. In fact, in a recent episode - not sure which one at the moment - JB actually said something about that subject to 1 or more of the kids. He kissed Michelle and said something like "You will get to do that on your wedding day". Yes, I don't know if it is on purpose, but it is kind of "showing off", in contradiction to the other modesty rules.

Along this line, I have been wanting to comment about the courting. We have all speculated about the Bates family - naturally. I also wanted to mention that perhaps Anna's sister Suzanne was with them so they could help chaperone (sp?) her - like maybe she was courting someone. Just a thought. Also, the Wilsons could be a possibility, as they have been on a couple of times lately. Remember when they had the teenage Wilson girl on and were asking her about cooking (?) or something. Not sure how old she is, though. It is just fun to guess at which ones might be hooking up, don't you think?

MomOfThree said...

suze said...

".....I can't understand why the older kids are still so involved. Josh, Jana, John-David and I think Jill are all 18 or older. Why are they still so attached at the hip to M&J-B? They need to be out exploring and living their own lives, not following Mommy and Daddy all around the country. But that is what M&J-B want I guess. They do not encourage self expression and independence."

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I so agree! These young adults have all "graduated" from "school" and, with the exception of the boys, the girls are being treated as they were when they were minor children. They are still "helping" with the household chores and minding their younger siblings. In spite of what the Duggar parents say, we can see that higher education is definately not encouraged; this is evident in the fact that not even ONE of the older kids has chosen to continue on with schooling of any type. Don't the girls want to get at least parttime jobs and earn their own spending money...at least until Mr Right comes along? Michelle and Jim Bob began going out together because Michelle ended up working in a frozen yogurt shop that JB's mom managed. They met briefly prior to this, but so briefly that Michelle claims not to even remember it. (If not for Michelle's stint at that job, who knows if their paths may have ever crossed again.)

It is so selfish of these parents to expect that their grown daughters should have no aspirations of their own other than to remain contently at home tending to the family's home and young children until they marry. Can these parents be so fearful of the world outside of their fuzzy bubble that they cannot see how they are stiffling the potential of these girls? This just makes me so sad for Jana and Jill. I guess, though, that they are "needed", as are Josh and Anna, "on the set" for filming purposes. Although, it has not been publicly proclaimed (as it has been by another TLC family), the motto here could also be "The show is our life and our life is the show."

Joanna said...

Jana has expressed interest in being a midwife and might have attended the Bradly classes because midwifes need to know that stuff.

SuSuseriffic said...

Mom of Three said-"Can these parents be so fearful of the world outside of their fuzzy bubble that they cannot see how they are stiffling the potential of these girls?" I think that is exactly it. If you look at the website of the guy they follow external education is considered coruption. I'm glad if the one girl becomes a midwife. I don't know what they would do with spending money....they don't seem to have any wants or needs (that they are aware of) because that would be greedy and ungracious. Maybe they would be allowed to make money to send to missionaries or something.

Swissmiss150 said...

I have read several times that Oprah offered to send one or two of the girls to midwife classes, but they didn't take her up on it.

I have no idea if this is actually correct or if it's just wrong info continually being passed around.

I know the family does some stuff they don't permit to be filmed. I think they help out at a soup kitchen or something on a regular basis. Good for them. I've done work like that myself.

I doubt their 'customers' would want to be on TV in a situation like that.

Jim Bob sometimes 'horning in' on stuff (like at the bridal dress show) still annoys me, but then I remember another show where he routinely spends times with kids who don't have a father in the house, and I try and cut him some slack.

He does seem to love Michelle and the children very much.

Marie said...

For a family espousing such strong Christian values and ready and willing to share their love of the Lord, they surely spend more time on their show sharing recipes, trips, fashion sense, and home building skills. Let's share a little bible time. How about some family church? The things that seem to be the focus of their lives are the things they hide most.

Anonymous said...

The producers probably know that too much emphasis on Christian values would not appeal to a broad audience and might turn off some people who like the Duggars but don't agree with their conservatism.

Anonymous said...

I happened to be at Kleinfeld's that day. I DID walk out. I DO NOT want to see a gazillion kids when I pick out the dress of my dreams. Modesty? How about consideration? That was ALL I asked for.

~ Gina

jonandkatewho? said...

I caught part of this episode but it seemed like a lot of excess to me.

Michelle looked funny all bundled up trying on those wedding gowns. Let's face it, the majority of gowns at that place are not very "modest"... is there not a place where women like her can buy more modest gowns instead of having to carve up and basically remake the top of one of these creations, lol?

It bothers me that she did the same thing as Kate Gosselin and there was a second tie-in show like this one. I don't know why it bothers me, since Michelle couldn't be more different from Kate, but it does bother me nonetheless.

Was it really necessary to drag all of those kids into that place of business to search for this gown? I did not find it entertaining at all. In fact I had to switch channels around the time she started trying on dresses and they were valiantly attempting to hide most of her upper body.

Seeing all the kids there just made me think of something that's been way overdone for the sake of a taping.

I know there are lots of people who post here who just love the Duggars, so if I offend anybody, I apologize in advance.

Anonymous said...

It is a VOW renewal, not a VOWEL renewal. This is not Wheel of Fortune.

luvmybabies said...

Cassaundrau said: "To the poster who said she would not be bothered if the Duggar children were in Kleinfeld while she was shopping for her dress, I pose to you a situation:

You have just found the dress of your dreams. You are in tears and in an overwhelming joyous emotional state...then in pops a Duggar child doing somersaults next to you."

This honestly wouldn't bother me, maybe I'm weird but I just really like children and having them around doesn't bother me at all, even in a non-kid environment.

BTW, "in tears" and a "joyous emotional state" - over a dress? I love pretty dresses and nice clothes as much as any woman, but come on. Clothing and material trappings are fun, but they don't move me to tears and joyous emotional states. The wedding itself, regardless of the dress, is what does that, among other things.

lara said...

I'm sure I'm going to ruffle a few feathers & that this has already been said, but why not say it again....If we are now following storylines from the J&K debacle, will we also be hearing next year that the Duggars will be divorcing & that it's all just a LIE?! Seriously....Really, we have to go to New York for a wedding dress? I thought they were all about "doing it themselves" & "BUY USED & SAVE THE DIFFERENCE"- (isn't that JimBob's famous line)

ANOTHER KID????? I'm going to go be sick now! I think someone, i.e Michelle, likes the limelite. I spose everything is being "given" to them now (much like J&K, we all saw how well that's turned out!) Is Michelle Duggar as bad as Kate Gosselin? Perhaps Michelle just hides it better under that "sickeningly sugary sweetness,(I mean cmon, she sounds like a kid when she talks)
I feel bad for the girls because it's becoming loud & clear that Jana & Jill do the majority of the "child-rearing". What does Michelle really do after she pops out another kid? She breast feeds for awhile....She carries the baby when she nurses....O and lets not forget when she was feeding one of the babies on the couch, the baby was laying on it's back while michelle SPOONED something into it's mouth! (I was always taught that we feed babies UPRIGHT, thus lessening the chance to CHOKE!) Then she passes them off to the older girls!
By the way the younger ones act, those under the age of 9, I can tell you that it's becoming OBVIOUS that they could use some DISCIPLINE! What happened to teaching them self-restraint? The way they run aroung the house, I'm surprised no-one has had to be rushed to the ER yet...What happened to teaching children manners? I was taught that we do not run in the house or throw balls in the house. I have to admitt that many times I am mortified at how the younger children act like animals- they clearly could use some ATTENTION!!!
THE DUGGARS NEED TO GO AWAY!!! Take the same boat as the Gosselins......Before you wind up LIKE the Gosselins. (Take Josh & that poor Anna with you- I have a feeling she had no idea what she signed up for with him! She is a person, she has a mouth & a BRAIN! Even Michelle is allowed to speak for herself, altho sometimes I would rather it be JimBob....LESS SUGAR!) RETCH GAG PUKE HURL