Tues, October 6, 20 Years, 20 Duggars

The Duggars aren't the typical family, but with 20 family members and 20 years under their belts they've made it work. Watch as Jim Bob and Michelle take a look back at their beginnings as a family and strengthen their future by renewing their vows.

99 comments:

Anonymous said...

I saw the trailer for the show last night, and I wonder why in the world Jim Bob and Michelle decided to have a complete "first" wedding again as a second, one complete with white wedding dress, train, veil over eyes, etc.

I didn't like the Kleinfeld dress anyway, but it would have been much more tasteful for Michelle to wear a nice suit and to renew their vows (if they chose to, and not have TLC dictating what to do) without it resembling a first wedding 100%. They didn't need fake flowers and veils and any of that for a vow renewal, and just cheapened the whole event, IMO.

CappuccinoLife said...

Can't wait to see this one! I love the commentary from their kids in the promo.

Confuzzled said...

I am still confused as to why the title is '20 Years, 20 Duggars' when they are celebrating their 25th wedding anniversary.

Any ideas?

Tammy C said...

I thought maybe the show was called 20 years ,20 Duggars because it was 20 years of having children but I was wrong.Josh turned 21 in March!

gotsomewheelsnow said...

Josh was born in 1988 and Jordyn was born in 2008. So in 20 years they went from a family of 2 to a family of 20.

Sherry said...

I agree with the confusion over the title. Even before they had their first child, they were a family of 2.
My husband has been a minister for 30 years and we have never seen a couple renew their vows by "re-doing" their wedding. Couples celebrate in all different kinds of ways....family dinners, special trips, surprise parties....but I have only seen it done like this on TLC.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Why is it wrong for her to wear a wedding dress rather than a white suite?

Mrs P said...

We had a couple do their 25th as a renewal at our church. They had the sanctuary decorated with flowers and a bower etc, and she wore a *very* fancy dress (not a wedding gown, but a 'black tie formal type) and he had a tux. Their children and grandchildren were their attendants. Then we had a nice little reception of veggie tray, meat platters, cake, various little snacks, and drinks.

It was very nice, seems muhc like the one Michelle and Jim Bob are having, minus the Kleinfeld dress, of course LOL!

Mrs P

pumpkin said...

I am really looking forward to tonight's episode - it's a full hour too, which is a bonus.

I saw the slideshow on TLC of the Duggar's early years and the photos were very touching. I hope that they showcase more photos and footage from their pre-stardom days so we can compare how much they have changed.

Swissmiss150 said...

Have they ever said if any of the older children sew?

Of course, if they normally get stuff from the thrift shop, maybe it's cheaper than buying new material and making it themselves.

They could use some very simple patterns - at least for the girls' dresses.

Mrs P said...

The older girls sew, better than Michelle, she says in their book. The older girls also chose to have in the space that would be a closet space(since they have all their clothes down in the family closet) made into a sewing room and have several sewing machines.

However, it *is* cheaper to go to the thrift store than it is to buy material, zipper/buttons, thread, etc etc. So a lot of times a family will choose to utilize the thrift stores.

Seems like the girls sewed some of the old jumpers they used to wear when they would match for a family event. Maybe they simply don't have time now, or have moved on to other ventures(I know Jana volunteers somewhere frequently, and one likes to photograph things, etc)

Mrs P

Anonymous said...

The olden days of matching plaid prairie dresses with peter pan collars are over. They probably made those by hand, back in the days before TLC was funding their clothing and everything else.

I think that the children are very attractive, and look nice in the more modern clothing. Now, I only wish they would let the older kids begin to live like more modern kids and actually get out of the house, meet with friends unchaperoned, explore an outside interest, go to school,etc.

"Looking modern" just makes it seem that all that prior rhetoric about appearances not mattering was bogus. But I would like to see Jana, John David, Jill, Jessa, etc. be able to live their own lives.

Willow #1 said...

To Pumpkin: I went to the TLC website and could not find the "slide show" you saw with old pics on it. Can you please tell me how to find that? Thank you so much.

tara said...

As a young woman myself that comes from a very conservative family, I have to say I'm disappointed to see that these parents, although conservative don't want their children to learn on their own. To follow their own dreams, or really to have any outlet to find their own dreams.
Even though my parents didn't always agree with my choices they still encouraged me to succeed or fail on my own, and find the lord if I so choose. I look at Jana, Jessa, and Jill and hope that one day they will be able to do something other than just take care of their mothers children. Because regardless of what most say IMO I believe that those girls may not want 18children of their own, but who knows if they are able to even think of doing anything else with out being a disaopointment to their parents.

In other news: Michelle's dress was awful and I'm surprised that Kleinfeld's would want to use that dress as a advertising point.

-Tara

Callie1978 said...

Nearly done with the episode. Maybe they rode the freebie train for the dress, but they didn't do that for anything else. The decor is butcher paper and faux flowers and they are doing themselves. The cake is standard issue cake, so no additional plugs for Cake Boss :-)
The girls are in the dresses they wore for Josh's wedding. There's no hair dresser or makeup artist (that they show).
This wedding renewal would NEVER be acceptable for Khate Gosselin... its too do it yourself and not luxurious enough. I think these reality shows are silly but I can't help watching the Duggars.... I dislike their politics but I admire their love and their ability to devote themselves to each other and raise kind loving children.

As for the dress.... I didn't see the previous episode but it looks like what I've seen at a lot of Orthodox Jewish weddings, a strapless dress that has been added to to get sleeves and cover up the chest. I don't get the style of modest dresses. They are usually made of the same heavy satin that just makes the brides look fat even when they are quite thin. I've seen women nearly sweating to death in their dresses....
I plan on having a modest dress at my wedding (in a year) and have to get it done as a custom job b/c for no money can you find a white dress with sleeves made out of a lightweight fabric. I don't understand the style.... Looking at people's parents' dresses they are high necked and long sleeved and look far more fluid and comfortable than today's stiff and thick sating dresses.
Michelle looked okay but I agree with other posters that a fancy dress in off white or light pink would have been better... This dress was too heavy and overdone for someone over the age of 20.

Newlywed said...

All personal opinions about raising children and having this many children aside...

I just watched the wedding anniversary episode and I believe that Michelle Duggar is an inspirational woman. I love how she always speaks softly, and she obviously has a different outlook on life than most of us have. I am a bit surprised that she is around 40 years of age, yet her face glows with the innocence of a 20-year-old girl.

I enjoy their show because it reminds me that I will get much farther in life if I am kind and gentle with others. It's easy to lose one's temper in this day and age. People are not patient anymore.

What I find the most inspirational is the devotion that Michelle and her husband have for each other. I am focusing in one aspect of their lives: love. The others, maybe I don't agree with, but I can't criticize how they choose to live their lives.

I wish Michelle would write a book just for women, to give her wisdom on how to keep a healthy relationship with our spouses.

I just can't get over how calm and serene she sounds! A true example, in my opinion :)

Anonymous said...

I just watched the episode. Did anyone else notice that the only child that Michelle didn't talk about was Jinger?! I expected to be in for an earful when she came around to Jinger. She seems like she's full of personality and I would have thought there would have been a lot to say about her. However, Michelle only discussed Jinger's birth, then moved on to the next child. For every other child, she talked about his/her personality. I was just surprised.
-Christina

Sherry said...

My favorite part of this show was hearing Michelle talk about her children individually....

Anonymous said...

Enjoyed the renewal ceremony though the covered veil was bit much. I found Michelle Duggar discussing her children very touching. The dress was just average IMO. I felt it was bit much for the ceremony in a family church. Maya

Willow #1 said...

I just always enjoy the Duggars and feel a lot of love from their shows. I have areas I disagree with them about, but I just still really like them anyway. I think they are very interesting. I admire that their ceremony was so simple yet so meaningful. Money just is not everything, and it is not necessary to spend it or flaunt it, even if you have it. Other things are more important to emphasize. In spite of some of the drawbacks of a large family, one of the positives is having a lot of people areound to help you celebrate.

Hannah said...

was annas outfit the same thing her mother in law wore at her wedding?

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know anything about when Anna is due? I've tried looking on Josh & Anna's website, but it doesn't look like it's been updated since the wedding. Do they have another website or blog somewhere? Thanks, everyone!
-Julianne

Hannah said...

anna is do on the 18th of this month :)

Stephanie said...

Anna is due on the 18th of October! I'm getting excited for when the baby's born. I hope they do a show about it. But maybe not film the birth, that would be a bit much for poor Anna!

I liked the show tonight. I thought it was really great how they had Michelle recount the births of all her children and say something about them. That was my favorite part; i didn't find the ceremony itself that exciting!

Aletta said...

I watched the renewal episode tonight and do think that the dress and veil combo was a bit much. I just think Michelle is a naturally beautiful lady and less is more with her. A suit and some flowers in her hair would have been lovely. I admire how in love she and Jim Bob still apear to be.

Anonymous said...

I loved the description of each birth, and seeing the baby pictures!

The ceremony itself seemed bizarre. If someone is already married once, why on earth have an entire second marriage, with bridesmaids and a cake and a veil? I didn't get it. A vow renewal is more low key, or should be. It seemed kind of cheap and tacky to me, but I did like the reminiscent look back in time.

pumpkin said...

Willow, here is the link to the slideshow on TLC.com:

http://tlc.discovery.com/tv/18-kids-and-counting/slideshows/vow-renewal.html

I loved the part of last night's episode where Michelle spoke about each child individually. I loved the littlest kids not wanting to talk to the camera and wandering off, that was adorable!

I am impressed with Michelle's serenity. No way will I be that calm while getting ready for my wedding!

The hour-long episodes are better than the 30 minute ones in my opinion. It seems like with the half-hour segments, we just get started explaining the task or adventure of the episode and then it's over. I like having a longer program.

Johannah's birthday is this weekend. I wonder if they will make an episode out of that birthday party... if so, I would love to see it, she is such a funny and energetic little girl!

imaamy said...

Anna is due on my birthday! Again I found it strange how a modest woman would have a camera crew in the delivery room, even if they weren't filming the exact "area." I only have pictures of after my kids were born and I'm somewhat modest but not to the Duggar extreme. Also regarding Kleinfeld's and Orthodox Jewish brides. They are required to cover to beneath their elbow, no upper arms shown. To me Michelle showing her arms was less modest. Rarely do we get to see Michelle's actual body size as she wears loose shirts and long skirts. I actually thought she looked slimmer than in her regular clothes (in the tight wedding dress that accentuated her bust).

gotsomewheelsnow said...

I guess it's just looks strange to see a mother of 18 wearing a wedding gown and veil for a vow renewal.

Obviously, JB and Michelle love each other very much, but their PDA's are getting as sickening as Josh and Anna. I don't remember them showing so much affection on the show until recently.

Apparently from what one of the older girls said their parents have regular "dates nights" In my opinion, and it's only that, the parents should be the ones babysitting the younger kids and the older ones should be the ones going out and enjoying themselves.

They just seem to keep having more kids for their other kids to raise and that just seems strange to me.

Anonymous said...

Yawn. It was nice but, on the whole, rather boring.

First kiss, again? JB, you said it was GREAT! Get over the whole saving "the kiss" thing. We know, ALL READY!

I wonder if any one else was disappointed by M's discussion of her children? I hoped to learn more about who they are as individuals. Instead, M ate up each child's segment with her own birthing experience & the baby's presentation rather than how each child is interesting and individual now. So, by the end of each child's highlight, she dipped into a limited bag of adjectives - creative, busy, talkative, laid back - NEXT.

I think this may indicate she's in love with pregnancy and birth more than the growth and development part.

I'd like to see episodes that focus on the older kids (Josh, you're grown, so you're out) - 2 or 3 at a time maybe (however they feel comfortable) - where we get to learn about them. What interests them and aspirations and how they are working towards making these a reality. I would also hope for little or no parental commentary.

Jinger is a photographer - what does she like to photograph, let's see some of her work. John David is very handy and wants to fly - where will that take us? Jana want to be a midwife - is she working on that? Jessa and Jill - what do you look forward to in the future?

Thoughts?

No Thanks for Mind Control said...

previously posted: "I wish Michelle would write a book just for women, to give her wisdom on how to keep a healthy relationship with our spouses."

Yes, it would be called "How I consult JimBob on every detail of My Life, And Never Ever Make a Decision On My Own" by Michelle Duggar.

Good grief, the woman couldn't even make a decision on her own regarding the dress for the vow renewal ! She kept looking at JimBob to get an answer !

pogo said...

I watched, this show, it was ok, interesting. The dress she wore looked ok, nothing to write home about.I noticed that the older girls had on the gowns they wore at Anna's wedding. I like the fact that they were re-using things and clothing. I also noticed that Michelle was careful in her talk about, her and JimBob relationship before marriage. Since they are raising their kids in a strict religion, compared to their up bring.

kalyse86 said...

I've read a few comments before from posters saying that they feel like Jinger, Joy Anna, or even Johanna just might end up being the rebels of the family. Well after hearing Michelle describe Jessa and her personality, I'm starting to think that she may end up being the rebel who decides that she wants to do her own thing. lol. She's such a pretty girl. Jessa and Jinger look so much alike.

I enjoyed hearing Michelle describe each one of her children's personalities. I wish she would have described Jinger more. I don't think she even said anything about her other than her birth. Maybe her personality is a lot like Jessa's. They do seem to be pretty close.

Anonymous said...

Re: the way Michelle's face glows with the innocence 20-year old's. She *should* have the face of a wise woman of 40+ who is carrying her 19th child.

Speaking of which, did anyone else think it odd that they had a pregnant woman in a wedding dress standing on a folding chair? That is not safe, those chairs tip or collapse very easy.

-Katydid

Jenna said...

Christina--

I also noticed Michelle said nothing about Jinger other than the birth. I was looking forward to what she'd say too.

Joanna said...

I love that it was a nice, simple ceremony. I think the dress was beautiful and Michelle looked beautiful and radiant. I do think the viel was a to much, but aside from that, it was a very simple ceromoney and a few close friends and relatives.

My favorite was mostly definitly Michelle discribing each child. Each child is different, and each birth was different too. There probably isn't to much Michelle hasn't experienced as far as preganacy and birth goes.

Joy-Anna and Johanna are more of tomboys (thought still in dresses). Johanna is the most rambunchious of them all, even more so then any of her brothers. She reminders a bit of my niece Alyssa, a little dare-devil.

Diane said...

Anonymous said...
I just watched the episode. Did anyone else notice that the only child that Michelle didn't talk about was Jinger?! I expected to be in for an earful when she came around to Jinger. She seems like she's full of personality and I would have thought there would have been a lot to say about her. However, Michelle only discussed Jinger's birth, then moved on to the next child. For every other child, she talked about his/her personality. I was just surprised.
-Christina

___________________________________
Michelle did talk about Jinger. It wasn't a big deal, all positive. I was surprised about Jessa being such a wild child. She seemed to have been the hardest one to train. Jessa never wanted to listen. LOL! From Justin down the descriptions of their personalities kind of stopped. Maybe they were short on time.

If anyone wants to see photos of the Duggars including some old ones I started a myspace page where I am collecting them.

http://www.myspace.com/487435635

give me a break said...

Did you see how Michelle squirmed when they asked her about their first kiss? She acted so uncomfortable.

I know they strongly "encourage" their kids to save their first kiss until their wedding day. How many times have you seen Jim Bob kiss Michelle and then say, "you can do that when you're married".

Once again, JB and Michelle got to live their lives a certain way as teenagers, but forbid their children to do the same. No kissing before marriage, no pants for the girls, extreme restrictions on books, no public school, no sports, no youth group, no job opportunities for the girls, NO dating. Jim Bob and Michelle did every one of these things, and they turned out JUST fine. So how can they say they're "protecting" their kids? I think the word is "controlling". If they really had faith in their parenting skills, they wouldn't be so afraid of letting their kids into the world.

Anonymous said...

I'm watching a replay of 17 Kids and Counting, and it's the episode where Josh and Anna are planning their wedding (along with the oldest girls). I'm just curious if anyone else feels this way... I noticed that back in these episodes, before Josh and Anna's marriage, Anna really did seem outgoing, confident and more assertive. I don't know the title of this episode, but I wish others could watch and share their opinions. I didn't notice the difference since I've gradually gotten used to the current Josh and Anna, but seeing this older episode made me realize she seemed like a completely different person back then - very likeable in her own right. Not that she's not likeable now, but she really did have individuality and a personality at one point. Now that I've seen this, it does start to creep me out comparing the old Anna to the married Anna. I finally see what others are talking about.
- Julianne

Anonymous said...

When Jim bob and Michelle were asked about their "first kiss", they both recalled it, and I am thinking, wow, THEY got to experience a kiss (or several, even with different people) before their marriage, and yet they won't allow their children the same opportunities? Michelle got to be a cheerleader, wear pants, go to school. Jim Bob was on a sports team. But their kids can't leave the house!

Much as I like Michelle (although don't think she is much in the brains department), I really think she is doing her children a huge disservice by forcing a lifestyle on them that she didn't choose for herself until later.

The Duggars should be like the Amish. Let the kids go as young adults and experience a bit of the world, and if they come back, then they will embrace the lifestyle 100%.

Peas and Carrots said...

I watched it because I was bored and there was nothing on tv. We do people feel they have to go to elaborate lengths to renew their vows or prove to everyone they are still in love.

I can't stand the cross promoting that TLC does with their shows, when I first saw the commercials for this I thought of J&K +8. Groan.

One of the things that alarmed me was Michelle was standing up on chairs and ladders balanced kind of precariously and she was 10 weeks pregnant, I wouldn't be climbing on any chairs.

I am getting tired of the whole TLC cross promoting thing and tired of all of these 'reality' shows.

I think it would have been better just to have a private family gathering and not pandering to the tv public. Why not wear a simple lovely dress, why all the frou frou veil and rest of it. Good grief you have 18 1/2 kids now.

I am fed up with this type of programming. I have pretty much stopped watching TLC because of the Gosselins, Duggars, and the worst show of them all Toddlers to Tiaras. Yuck - makes my skin crawl.

BigSky21 said...

I LOVED this episode! It was so wonderful and positive. I loved hearing Michelle talk about each child and it was so nice to see how much Michelle and Jim Bob care about each other.
The only part I didn't like was the fact that I'm pretty sure Anna was wearing the same dress that Michelle wore to Anna's wedding. Talk about depressing. I feel bad for Anna. However I just love the main Duggar family--it's nice to see such loving kindness on TV instead of people like Jon and Kate!

Anonymous said...

I too noticed that Jinger got short shrift in the descriptions of the children. Perhaps it was an editing decision. I've always thought she was cute and kind of spunky.

There are many more modest gowns that would have been prettier than the one Michelle wore. My own (36 years ago) was high necked and empire waist. It was not so heavy lookig as hers...more simple lines. I think she would have looked well in something like it.

I hope those girls (and the boys) have some ambitions beside being Duggars for the rest of their lives. We never hear about what the plans of the older ones are.

theresa said...

I thought the ceremony was nice. However, I hated Michelle's dress. It looked like a bunch of dresses sewn together. Due to her pregnancy, she looked practically stuffed into it. She also looked uncomfortable. She would have been so much better off wearing even an ordinary dress of her choosing.

Also, did anyone else think the cake was too small? Their own kids alone could have polished off that cake!

BoyMom said...

I thought this was a very sweet episode. JimBob annoys me sometimes but his reaction when he saw Michelle in the dressing room/bathroom was so genuine and so sweet, it reminded me why I watch this show.

I too love how Michelle always speaks softly and doesn't usually say negative things. It's a very attractive personality trait and her girls (and boys) are doing it as well. I think it's part of the reason she looks in her 20's, not in her 40's with 18 kids. She is a good person on the inside and outside and it shows.

Did anyone chuckle at her standing up to JimBob about the tape and arguing her point over the backdrop? So funny, and surprisingly real. I thought she never disagreed with him, although I'm sure privately she does. So, if she makes an effort not to do so on camera, I respect them all the more for it.

I truly love this family. And Jessa was right, their parent's relationship sets a great precedence for their own lives. They really are inspiring.

Julie said...

After following Jon and Kate and the disgusting "flaunt it" behavior they exhibited, it was a refreshing change to watch the Duggars renew their vows in a simple room, with simple do-it-yourself decorations, a non-designer cake, and love in the air. CLEARLY they are still very much in love. Watching Kate and Jon renew their vows, did anyone notice they could barely look at each other? I could sense back then that the clock was ticking on their marriage. Watching the Duggars restored some of my faith in marriage!!

Willow #1 said...

Pumpkin - Thanks !! I will check it out.

I agree with Anonymous - Michelle went into a lot of the birthing but not so much the personalities.

Was anyone besides me surprised that the Bates were not there for the vow renewal? Maybe it was just family..?

amberlilwood said...

When the producer asked Michelle to recount the birth and personaltiy of each child, I thought that maybe they needed "filler" to stretch the episode to one hour. Hearing about each of the children's personalities was interesting, though I agree with one poster that Michelle seemed to run out of adjectives, but hearing about each birth was tiresome. The guests at the vow renewal seemed like a paltry crowd. And nothing says "romance" like Jim Bob kneeling beside a toilet to profess his love for Michelle. This show is in danger of going the way of Jon & Kate Plus 8 by focusing on staged/scripted events and outings rather than everyday life for this unusual family.

Anonymous said...

Jim Bob says he wishes he would have waited "like Josh" for the wedding to have a first kiss with Michelle, but I get the sense that is not really true. There is a twinkle in both their eyes that says to me that JB & M liked kissing & did it often as they were dating.

I think that JB has told his kids that one should wait, so it's a case of "that's my story & I'm sticking to it."

shelly said...

I think it's very important for all of us to remember before making snap judgments, that what we're seeing has been filmed and edited by the tlc crew in a set amount of time. I don't think it's quite fair for any of us (myself included, I've been guilty of this especially on other shows) to say things like "he/she never does X" or "they only do/say/eat/etc X."

We're only seeing a snapshot of what the cameras captured, and they edit through hours to condense it to a half hour or hour of what they want to show us - we're not seeing the full picture!

That being said, I thought this episode was very sweet. I like the idea that a previous posted mentioned about getting to know the children better in future episodes. I'd enjoy that more than trips and such.

Joanna said...

Michelle probably did discribe more about each child then what was aired. But I too noticed that Ginger's character wasn't dicussed, but they have discribed Ginger a good deal in earlier episodes.

tara said...

So I was watching an old showing of 17 kids and counting, I believe it was called Once a bride, always a Duggar. They (Josh and the older girls) were down helping Anna plan the wedding and Josh said "we only have a few days because my mom needs the girls back to run the house" I thought this was so odd, shouldn't the girls just HELP not "run" the house. Although they are sweet and kind to each other it bugs me so much that those girls have to run everything.

-Tara

pumpkin said...

Did anybody else think it was strange to have those black air blowing machines on the boys' mattresses while they were still sleeping on them? I thought I had seen something in one shot and then in a different shot of a different boy's bed, there was another one.

Where they there to dry the mattress because one of the little boys had an accident? Or are they just there for ventilation? Having 9 boys share a room is probably smelly sometimes.

Swissmiss150 said...

As to why the Bates family didn't appear, don't they live in Tenn.?

That would be a very long drive, and I don't believe they have a big bus like the Duggar family owns.

I'm still waiting to see the final version of the construction project for the Bates family.

CappuccinoLife said...

In regards to JB and Michelle's dating habits as opposed to their kids...it's not a matter of they "got to" do all that "fun stuff". They did it, and apparently regret it and don't want that regret for their children. I don't think that makes them hypocrites.

My parents weren't Christians until after I was born. I know that many of the things they "got to" do as young adults, they would not wish on their own children, and they actively discouraged us from making what they considered the same mistakes as they did. I appreciate their concern, and I don't think they're at all hypocritical. I also don't feel deprived having "missed out" on the stuff they did, because we've talked a lot about the repurcussions those activities had for them, and I am quite happy to have missed out on that kind of "fun". I've also had the opportunity to observe my peers doing those things, and watching them definitely doesn't make me desirous of doing what they do.

Andrea said...

eh hem, Joanna, it's the Duggar's we're talking about here...the "J" name bunch....it's Jinger, not Ginger. :) just poking a little fun at you, honest mistake. :)

We said...

I love watching this family however in this particular episode I noticed a few times when Jim Bob may have gotton on Michelle's nerves. When he kept bending his knees to ask Michelle to marry him. I think he did that 2 or 3 times before the vow renewal. Then when he went into the dressing room and hugged and kissed Michelle BEFORE the wedding started.Custom has it that the groom not see the bride before it starts.I know I know that they see each other every day but I just got the impression that Michelle wanted to make her grand entrance.
But Michelle handled it with grace as always. But Jim Bob buggs me to no end!

Diane said...

I think they spent more time on Jinger's birth then her personality because it was unusual and funny. She was the first home birth and cheapskate Jim Bob who didn't want the carpets ruined spread plastic all over the bedroom and bathroom. He must have thought Michelle was going to explode. LOL

Anonymous said...

I grew up in a large Mormon community in Orange County, CA. I am not Mormon but almost all my girlfriends were and I spent a lot of time at their homes and even attended church services, church sporting events, etc. They did not have megasize families, but there were usually 6 to 8 kids. One lady gave birth to her 11th child the same month her oldest son graduated from BYU!!

What I saw in a lot of families was that the temperament of the parents mattered more than anyhting else. If a mother was depressive, angry, a yeller, self-centered...or if the dad was always holing up in his garage to get away from his kids, angry, a yeller, controlling...everyone was miserable. I am 43 now and in touch with several of the women I grew up with and I know what happened to a lot of them. Those from the negative-minded parents did not fare as well as those from the calmer, 'sweeter' homes, and it didn;t seem to make a difference about their material wealth. When I see Michelle Duggar, I see a woman who may have some rebels on her hands (heck, I have 2 kids and I have rebels on my hands!) someday, but the lack of discord, raised voices, punitive behavior, etc will probably go a long way to making sure those kids stay grounded and sane when they go out into the "real world" -- whatever that is.

Jen

Nana Sew Dear said...

Just some observations...
Michelle's dress was dowdy, as if shoulders will lead men to rape! The general attitude seems to be, "girls, cover up so men won't be arroused to the point of molestation!" I guess there is no responsibility on the part of males in their world.
Jim-Bob, Josh and particularly Anna's father Mike Kellar are horribly, insultingly sexist. I cringe every time I hear their cute little sexual innuendoes.
Michelle seems to participate very little in the parenting of any child except the baby she's nursing. The three youngest children are younger than my granddaughter who still is the sweetheart of our life. Poor Jennifer walks around trying to entertain herself by destroying the baby bouncer.
A family that is trying to save money should have a big garden and be canning their own produce. I don't see that or the much touted sewing room. But then, why bother when TLC follows your family around with a camera.
These folks seem nice enough but they live in la la land. Too bad they have to brainwash their children and take them along for the ride.

roddma said...

There isnt much negative to say about this episode. I did like when the y asked Michelle when was the first tiem she kissed Jimbob. I think it put her on the spot. Cappucino life,Yes some activities have repurcussions Dating can be fun activity if put in perspective. You dont have to cut them completely off just because you think they may do somthing they shouldnt. I wouldnt let below 16 or 17 date but the younger adults and older teens should have a choice. Parents should trust their children I agree with give me a break. Jimbob and Michelle did those things and they turned out fine.

Pam said...

Regarding the comments about Michelle's descriptions of her children-

Right at the beginning the TLC producer asked her to describe the births of each! That is why she focused on the births and not so much the personalities. It was like they challenged her as though she wouldn't be able to remember one from the other. Haha to them! Also, TLC does plenty of editing so who knows what all she said about each that THEY edited out!

Anonymous said...

Dating is an important aspect of life before choosing a life mate. Learning to deal with different types of people, communicate with those of the opposite sex, even as just friends, go places, have fun, enjoy oneself----this is what being a teenager or young adult SHOULD be!! People have their whole lives to wash dishes and do dozens of loads of laundry, and take care of children as they are sick and brush their hair and teach them. Adolescence and young adulthood should be the time to find ones own interests and experience different things.

I think it is really sad that Michelle got to do so many different things,a nd won't allow her children to do them (or maybe it is jimbob). But just because THEY didn't like those activities, doesn't mean that their children might not.

And by restricting them so much, they may get more than a rebel on their hands. I hopet they do in fact!!! I am hoping for at least one or two rebels!

NYMomof4 said...

Just saw on People.com that Anna had her baby! She gave birth at home with a midwife. There are some cute pictures on People's Website. Congratulations Anna and Josh!

the low road said...

It is being reported on another website that Anna has given birth.

BabyGirl said...

Anna had the baby yesterday evening!!! Info is on the TLC website!!!

Anonymous said...

I think its wonderful how much Jim-Bob loves Michelle. He looks her in the eyes all the time and tells her how much he loves her - and means it. I think thats the best thing that they are doing for their family. What a glorious example.

Does Jim-Bob work? Or does he just manage the rental properties from home?

Our Busy Monkeys said...

Not sure where this should be posted, but Anna had the baby...

http://tlc.discovery.com/tv/18-kids-and-counting/slideshows/mackynzie-renee.html?campaign=tlc-int-hp-dl1-18k

Sami said...

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20311322,00.html

The first grandchild was born!

Anonymous said...

The reason I think Michelle & Jim Bob are being somewhat hippocritical is that they had the chance to learn from experience. If you do something and later regret it: you learn your lesson never to do that thing again.

From what we see on the show, the kids in this family are not being allowed to make those same kinds of mistakes that are character building. Whatever will Josh tell his daughter? That Grandma & Grandpa did X, Y, & Z but I was never allowed, so don't do it?

Cait said...

Callie1978-check out www.latterdaybrides.com. They have lovely modest wedding gowns.

I thought this episode was wonderful! I liked her dress and I liked how in love JimBob and Michelle are after 25 years of marriage. I hope my husband and I are still that in love! I may disagree with many aspects of their lives, but they truly love each other and their children. I thought it was great how they chose to renew their vows in the same place that they said, "I do."

I also liked how part of the episode was devoted to Michelle talking about her births. It was really an interesting episode!

winsomeone said...

On Rol....
"the Tonitown, Arkansas reality TV family, headed by dad Jim Bob and mom Michelle, welcomed the family's first grandchild, a girl named Mackynzie Renée, who was born to the oldest Duggar son Joshua and his wife Anna Thursday."

Palila said...

She's here! Grandbaby #1 arrived yesterday.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jcBbSPCx2gD7WyGSPZJ0sDF3v5BgD9B7MJV81

VillageMom said...

CONGRATULATIONS, Josh and Anna, on the arrival of your new baby!

According to The Learning Channel, Mackynzie Renee Duggar was born at 6:39 p.m. Thursday. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091009/ap_en_ot/people_duggars

I wish them all the best!

winsomeone said...

Plus the article went on to say the Duggars' next child will be another girl.

chocolatebee said...

Congrats to Josh and Anna on the new baby. People.com has pictures from the home birth. She looks like a Duggar. Although I havent read anywhere that Jim Bob and Michelle's next baby will be girl

pumpkin said...

Congratulations to Josh and Anna!

I wish them the best!

octavia said...

I read online about Josh and Anna having their baby girl yesterday, but the article went on to report that TLC will NOW be changing the name of the show to "19 Kids and Counting" as opposed to changing the name once JB & M's 19th child is born. Why is this? J & A's baby is NOT the 19th child of the family. So when JB & M's baby is born, will TLC change the name again to "20 Kids and Counting"? I'm annoyed by it for some reason.

Cleveland Rocks said...

Octavia,

I was just saying the same thing! It kinda creeps me out they are changing the name. She's not one of their kids. Let ANNA be her mother and don't try to take this experience away from her.

winsomeone said...

"Congrats to Josh and Anna on the new baby. People.com has pictures from the home birth. She looks like a Duggar. Although I havent read anywhere that Jim Bob and Michelle's next baby will be girl"

The ROL article told about the birth of Anna and Josh's baby, and said she will have to wait until later this year to meet one of her aunts, as she hasn't been born yet. So I took that to mean Michelle was expecting another girl?

give me a break said...

I guarantee you Jim Bob and Michelle do not regret dating as teenagers. I don't see a hint of remorse in Jim Bob's eyes when he talks about how he met and dated Michelle. (Ahem, "it was dynamite") So Jim Bob, why can't your kids experience "dynamite"? Can they not be trusted to behave until they kiss at the alter?

If the Duggar kids have as much self control as Jim Bob says they do, then dating should be nothing but fun for the older teenagers. Since when is it a value to shelter our children to such a degree that they don't learn anything first-hand? Everything is "because I said so" or "take my word for it".

Jim Bob and Michelle beat "character qualities" into their kids heads all the time, but the kids are never given enough trust to practice those qualities outside of the house. It makes you wonder if they are really learning it. As we have seen, Josh never seems to practice the beloved character quality of punctuality, now that he is responsible for things like getting his pregnant wife to the doctor on time. Jill didn't seem to know the meaning of self control when she was getting her wisdom teeth out. It's easy to say you have certain qualities, but your actions are everything.

Joanna said...

Andrea said...
eh hem, Joanna, it's the Duggar's we're talking about here...the "J" name bunch....it's Jinger, not Ginger. :) just poking a little fun at you, honest mistake. :)
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You're right Andrea. I didn't stop to think about that while I was typing. Honest mistake.

Mackynzie is such a beauty. Congralations Josh and Anna!

I think the article goofed with saying the name would be changed to "19 kids" due to Mackynzie's birth. A different article said the show will "soon" be changed. I didn't noticed anything about #19 being a girl, even though I think it might be, Michelle's not quite 20 weeks yet, which is when parents usually can find out the sex, at the 20 week sonagram (that is, if the child lets them find out). She's around 16 or 17 weeks.

I knew a couple whom everytime they tried to find out their baby's sex, it's legs were crossed! She wasn't giving away her secert! They couldn't find out until their daughter was born.

Joanna said...

Looks like the number 8 contiues to be a lucky number for the Duggars right now. Mackynzie was due on the 18th, was born on the 8th, and weighed 8 lbs even.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone else find it a bit weird and intrusive that Josh and Anna's new baby Mackynzie had pictures taken at her birth last night and they were posted on the web this morning for all the world to see? It all seems a bit fast. I know they are on tv but nothing seems private. Also the article I read mentioned a doula and a midwife assisted in the home birth but was any family present? I know Anna wasn't due until the the 18th so maybe her family had planned to come in from Florida around that time but were any of the Duggar girls there? I know Jana was assisting Anna in birthing exercises at one point. I just watched a video on TLC the other day where Anna said she figured she would give birth before her due date and she was right. Good luck to them.

Mom in Texas

Willow #1 said...

The baby has "17" aunts and uncles? What about Anna's nieces and nephews? I know for sure her brother-in-law said in his post that he and Anna's sister had a couple of kids (2?). I don't know about any of Anna's other siblings. I know its not a big deal, but its nice to be recognized, even if you are not on the show. Congrats to Josh and Anna. Glad they put pics up. The baby is beautiful. I was surprised about the home birth. So happy everyone is healthy.

SuSuseriffic said...

You CAN get the sex of a baby earlier if you chose to do Amniocentesis (after wk 14), which they might have done. Or they possibly did Chorionic villus sampling (10-13 wks). Unlike an ultrasound, it is not up to the baby showing its parts to the tech to find out the sex.

Anonymous said...

I am concerned that Josh is turning into Jim Bob and selling his family to TLC. Maybe it is easier to make money from that then actually selling any cars at the used car lot (which is probably VERY difficult, given the economy), but selling one's privacy is a high price for money. I hope that all members of this family will reconsider the price they are paying, which might never be regained.

Oh No She Didn't ! said...

I thought that Anna had jumped on the Duggar bandwagon of "modesty."

So why did I see the promo for this week's episode, and there's Josh holding Anna's legs while she's pushing during labor ?

What happened to "modesty" ? Did it go by the wayside in favor of a big TLC paycheck ?

Anonymous said...

Anna did not look at all modest giving birth for the world to see, with Josh calling "Push, Baby, push!" and Michelle down there, in the most immodest place of all. And who was filming? I am much less modest than the Duggars (I will wear a nice modest bathingsuit, one piece, but not one of those bathing "costumes" they wear) and I would NEVER, ever have cameramen in while I was birthing.

I also felt sorry for Anna, who has all things Duggar but no mother in sight. And where was her sister, or other members of her family?

mia said...

well, I totally agree that it is weird, let alone immodest, to have cameramen filming for a tv show during the birth of your child. But as for Josh holding Anna's legs and saying "push baby push", I am glad to see that he is involved instead of just sitting around letting other people do the work. In lots of homebirths, my sister's for instance, the husband actually "catches" the baby, instead of the midwife. Everyone should see the documentary "The Buisiness of Being Born", it is really imformative about natural and homebirthing. As for Michelle being there, Anna probably would have wanted her own mother there but since the baby came early I guess she couldn't make it. Michelle certainly has a lot of experience in this area haha.

Anonymous said...

Josh has never once considered his wife's feelings. What if she didn't want to be filmed during labor? For heaven's sake, she is only 20 years old, and only had her first kiss one year ago! Now she is giving birth on national television, with her bare legs on YouTube? It is horrifying, actually. Josh should know better, but like his father, he doesn't think of what his wife wants, since he is the BOSS.

Having cameras in their faces as they try to be new parents will be very trying. I don't think it is a good idea for a young couple (or an older one, for that matter). There are some things just far too precious for money to buy, and privacy and values are two of them. I am very disappointed in Josh, for caring so little about his wife's privacy.

Midwest Mom said...

I can just hear it now....we're going to be subjected to years and years of Josh telling us how Anna gave birth at home without an epidural....blah blah blah.

But then again, maybe this new speech will stop the "we saved our first kiss for our wedding" speech we've been subjected to for the last year.

ApricottonSkies said...

I thought it was a little hypocritical for Michelle to walk down the aisle again in a virginal white dress....and knocked up, no less!

CappuccinoLife said...

About videos at birth...

I think it is a little odd considering the Duggar's original beliefs about modesty.

OTOH, having a televised birth, with even more "hanging out" is not at all uncommon.

I would never, never, never in my life agree to cameras on my during my births. But Anna isn't the only woman who has agreed to it, and unless all those other women on the "birth shows" are oppressed women who were forced into it by their husbands, it's possible Anna was just fine with it. Incomprehensible to me, but just because I don't understand why someone does something, doesn't mean there is something nefarious going on.

I don't get the "poor Anna" thing. She made a choice. The Duggar's were well into this show when she married. There's no way she didn't know what becoming a Duggar entailed.

Bella said...

I too am finding it a little strange that Anna agreed to the birth being filmed. For women who are so modest that they can't even have their bare stomachs showing during ultrasounds, I don't get why they appear to be ok with having their births (vaginal or c-section) being filmed. I gave birth to my daughter last January, most of it without drugs (not by my choice, mind you, lol) and I know once things get REALLY intense you really don't care who's watching or whats hanging out there....but one would think that she would have had to sign consent forms or something several months ago, right? And I know we've seen Michelle give birth a few times on the show as well. Giving birth is truly a miracle, but I would think they'd like to keep the actual birth private and share pictures or something later (or at least one would think Anna would).

imaamy said...

It could have been one of the older girls filming as another poster mentioned. However, add me to the list of no MIL, no sister in law, no niece, no aunt, no thanks!

Anonymous said...

I have not been able to find the undiginified youtube video of Anna giving birth that several posters mentioned. Anyone have a link?

Anonymous said...

Ratings/and more ratings..I believe this is the only reason they are filming the birth of the first grandchild. Due to the negativity regarding J/K + 8. They maybe cashing in on ratings as the ratings for J/K + 8 have possibly slipped due thier differences.

winsomeone said...

"I don't get the "poor Anna" thing. She made a choice. The Duggar's were well into this show when she married. There's no way she didn't know what becoming a Duggar entailed."
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Did she make a choice, really? Or did her father and Jim Bob make the final choice? And was she supposed to say "NO" while being filmed for national TV?