Tues, October 13, First GrandDuggar

Josh and Anna have the baby.

60 minutes

188 comments:

Anonymous said...

Congratulations to Josh and Anna! The baby is a beauty.

Now, it does need to be said that there is concern about this baby never knowing anything but cameras, which is abnormal. And for Anna, having her birth filmed and her mother-in-law there (even an old pro like Michelle!) must have been strange for a modest girl like Anna.

I hope Mckenzye will not be exploited. Time as a newborn is precious and should be protected. I really hope TLC will realize this (doubtful) even if Josh does not.

pumpkin said...

Congratulations to Anna on a successful delivery!

I imagine that it must be very stressful to have cameras around during the first year of marriage and in the home with a newborn. I commend them for keeping their cool (so far) and wish them the very best. Hopefully the camera crew will allow them some much needed privacy as they experience the early days of parenthood.

Somebody said in an earlier thread that the birth video was on Youtube but I couldn't find it.

Could you please post the link if possible?

Lily said...

I kind of wished they didn't video tape the birth..I wonder if Anna wanted the world to see her give birth? I was surprised when I read that she had a homebirth, anyway, congrats to Josh and Anna!

Anonymous said...

I have a comment on this.

They have to be so modest all the time, but they almost show her private area.

I felt bad for Anna to be filmed at this time.



The whole birth was not on youtube, just a clip from one the news shows

SuSuseriffic said...

I think they do get desenitised to the camera crews. It looks like the Duggars and the crew do like each other and they are always there anyway so I guess I can see how it would get thoughless at some point. I don't think they watch their own show very much.
I think homebirth is great, had one myself...no still photos even..I guess I am more modest in birth then them!

pumpkin said...

Josh and Anna have updated their website with photos:

http://www.ja20.com/

Cassandra said...

I have to say, I was disappointed to see that the birth was taped. I watched both the Today Show and The View this morning, though, and Josh surprisingly let Anna do most of the talking, which I found surprising but made me happy. Maybe someone actually told him to let her have some of the attention.

That said, the Duggars help out financially when they can, like in the case of the Bates family. I don't know if she just has not been shown, but I wish Jim Bob and Michelle would have used some of that money to fly Anna's mother in for the occasion. I am from Indiana, and my fiance and I are moving to Minnesota in the next year. I really want my mother there when I have my future children, and I'm sure Anna would have rather had her own mother instead of Michelle. Did she even want Michelle and Jill in the room with her? I obviously don't know what goes on behind closed doors, but I can't imagine that Anna wanted the video of her birth on television. It just seems like Michelle had to be there for TV's sake, rather than Anna actually wanting her there. ....I definitely don't want my mother-in-law in the room when I'm giving birth, and I call her by her first name, not "Mrs. Short".

Anonymous said...

TLC must own these people. There's no way the Duggars would allow a baby's birth to be filmed and shown on tv unless it was a clause in a contract they didn't read very carefully. They must have believed they had no choice. To live by strict standards of modesty, and then have cameras record your baby's birth for public consumption is kind of creepy.

tara said...

did anyone look at Josh and Anna's website? http://www.ja20.com/

Why is it that they have to have the main picture be one of JUST Josh.

I have no idea why but it really bothers me that Anna wasn't showcased with the baby SHE just delivered.

I suppose I may just be getting picky.

-Tara

Snap! said...

I was surprised that they had the 4 day old baby on The View this morning- the poor baby was crying and upset the whole time and Anna kept holding her in a way that is a good camera shot. This makes me sad- she should be cradled, nursed and wrapped- not put on display for ratings at 4 DAYS OLD!!!

winsomeone said...

Just thought of something..didn't Josh and Anna visit a gyn doctor at first? They were late for the televised appointment I think. Also had an ultrasound done there? Anyway, is it normal for someone to see a doctor then at the end use a midwife?

Morgan said...

I just watched the Today Show interview and I think it was great. Anna did do most of the talking and she sounds more confident on camera now. Of course Josh had to have the final word with his schmooze about naming the next daughter Meredith. Ugh, focus on your first child, not future ones for pete's sake!

Also, I was surprised to hear that Michelle and Jill caught a flight from Texas to get to Arkansas in time for the birth. If they could do that why couldn't Anna's mom? I am Anna's age and you can bet I would want my own mother there for the birth of my own child. I can understand Michelle wanting to be there as well, but Anna's mom should've too.

Can't wait to see the show tomorrow night. Should be interesting to say the least...

Shelly said...

Why, oh WHY do josh and anna dress like twins most of the time???

samcarter said...

Sadly i think they're gearing up for a "Duggars: The Next Generation" type show. Lord help that young couple.

If my husband had suggested we videotape the whole birth and show it on national television, I'd have been LIVID.

Willow #1 said...

I missed the Today Show and the View - my dad's in the hospital. Were their appearances from their house? Surely they did not fly to NY with a 4-day-old baby? I am SO with everyone else that mentioned Anna's mom. This is just unbelievable. Anna has a mom and sisters - like Suzanne - who was there all summer and I am sure would have loved to see the baby born. What is the deal? We can see Michelle and Jill anytime, if that is what TLC is worried about. I think Anna will regret it later, but she is young and is easily persuaded by her husband, her in-laws and TLC. The baby is really cute though.

SuSuseriffic said...

"Anyway, is it normal for someone to see a doctor then at the end use a midwife?"
Yes, that is normal. It is especially average in areas where midwives and OB's work together (to the better health of mothers and babies)

I don't watch TV when it is on but usually a week or two later on recorded or On Demand. I too am dismayed that they would take a newborn like that out away from home. Not just for the baby but the mother needs some serious Babymoon time. (where the new mom just gets time to rest and get to know her newborn, served food and drink and is appreciated)

Midwest Mom said...

An earlier episode showed J&A visiting ob/gyn Dr. Sarver for a prenatal appointment and the dr. did a sonogram.

So why did Anna have a "homebirth with a midwife" ?

Did they kick Dr. Sarver to the curb?

I agree with previous posters, why would a family so adamant about "modesty" 1) videotape a birth and 2) allow part of it (Josh holding her legs back during pushing) to be shown on national television ? Good grief, is nothing private anymore ?

Joanna said...

Maybe Anna's mother "was" on her way.

Emiku said...

Weren't at least 2 of Michelle's deliveries aired on TV?

Since they drug the camera crew along for Anna's first ever visit to an OBGYN I'm not really surprised that they filmed the birth. I still think all of it is sooo disturbing. I would be embarrassed and uncomfortable enough at being a "down there" doctor for the first time ever, I cannot imagine having it FILMED to air on NATIONAL TELEVISION. And then for your first time ever giving birth - a natural childbirth at that - to also be filmed & televised. Geeze...

I love the Duggar family, and I'm so glad that Anna & the baby are both healthy but I just don't understand the way this family thinks sometimes. They think it's immodest for a woman to wear pants, yet they have no problem dragging camera crews along for doctor appointments & during childbirth. I commend them on never actually "showing anything" (I seem to remember in one of the old hour long specials they showed Michelle's stomach during an ultrasound & they had it blurred out) but I was shocked when they showed Anna with her legs up in the air & everyone staring in between them. It really crossed the line, and I wonder if they (especially Anna, or her family) will look back on this one day and regret showing that to the entire world.

corf-92584 said...

I can't imagine the most intimate moments of my life being televised. Personally, I wouldn't even want my own Mother much less my Mother-in-Law in the room--just my husband.

Josh gives me the willies--it looked like he was reaching behind Anna, this morning, as if to turn the mic down so the baby wouldn't be heard--that's guessing of course. I think he was probably bothered that he was upstaged.

Studios are usually cold. I couldn't believe that a 4 day old baby was not swaddled. No wonder she was screaming the whole time.

Michelle, sitting next to her with her youngest, seemed odd as the last time the baby was delegated to one of the elder Duggar girls.

I couldn't help but notice that when asked about how he was managing to feed all the mouths, Jim Bob mentioned being in real estate for 25 years and something else, but didn't mention income from TLC.

This family should get off TV, now. They have definitely swallowed the fame pill. They're just a little more savvy than J&K were/are, and they are doing nothing different than what the Gosselin's are/were accused of doing.

They will probably stay together for religious reasons, but I can't help but think of Tammy Faye (dressed down) and Jim Bakker when I see them. These are just my opinions and observations.

hammett said...

I don't care if they don't "show anything". They are still putting certain mental images into people's heads. I mean that clip is pretty graphic, coming from such a modest couple. We may not see any skin, but we DO see her feet in the air and Josh staring between her legs. I think it is still tasteless whether we "see" anything or not. That birth was a wonderful time for the couple, and should be cherished indeed. But I think it should also be private and for the family only.

Anonymous said...

Congratulations on the birth of a healthy little girl. I hope the famly gets some well needed privacy at this very special time.

All the best to the younger Duggars

Dima said...

About it being cold in a studio--that's only where the audience is sitting and the film crew stand. It is very warm directly under stage lights.

But yeah, their concept of modesty is bizarre. No low-cut shirts or regular bathing suits, but spread legs with hubby staring at Anna's...y'know...is just fine to show millions of people? Odd.

I have honestly been a bit surprised at how many sexual references there have been since the marriage episode, and Michelle's latest pregnancy. It just seems so inconsistent with their lifestyle.

I was floored when that birth coach or whoever she was talked about the cervix being 'loved on.' There are some actions that can't be made modest, no matter what euphemism is chosen ;)

winsomeone said...

"
Michelle, sitting next to her with her youngest, seemed odd as the last time the baby was delegated to one of the elder Duggar girls."

Didn't seem odd to me..Michelle also fed the baby lying flat not so long ago, after never seeming to do anything for any of the kids. I think they read the blogs like Jon & Kate do, and are now "correcting" the things people complain about.

Andrea said...

As for me personally, I didn't want anybody in the delivery room except my husband. And my MIL was beggining me to let her in. I said NO! But everybody is different. I really think Anna had to choice to have Michelle there and the cameras rolling. Michelle seems very caring and I think she would be especially sincere regarding Anna's privacy and where to draw the line. I actually know a bunch of modest (not to the Duggar extreme) girls that were very open to have their births recorded, with several others in the room, and then they show the footage to everyone. I cringe at that thought, it's definitely not for me, but they think it's fine. Don't you think Anna had a choice? I would hate to think she feels violated with her first birth experience. Hopefully the show tonight will explain a little more...maybe Anna will come out and say this is what she wanted? I'll be upset if Josh does all the talking and says "we" thought it would be a good idea....zip it Josh, let her speak! :) He gets on my nerves but I think he's a good guy nonetheless.

msrylee said...

Congratulations to Josh and Anna on the safe birth of their gorgeous daughter.

However, I find it unsettling that a family who maintains privacy in all things, would allow pics/videos of the birth process to be sold and viewed by many many others. How was Anna's modesty maintained when her legs were being held open in a delivery position, and Josh was looking between them?

I find it disturbing that this new family was show-cased so soon after the birth. They need to bond with their baby, establish breast-feeding, etc. The only thing that makes sense is that their contracts are very lucrative. Sound familiar?

I also agree that Anna's mom should have been flown to Arkansas to be present for the birth of HER grandchild. Is it that the Duggars are selfish and don't want to share the limelight, or did TLC forbid it?

Anonymous said...

I bet Anna is pregant again by Valentine's Day.

Jess. said...

While I am so happy for J&A and the beautiful baby, this whole thing rubbed me the wrong way.

Within a day, HOURS after this baby entered the world, she was plastered all over the internet, and poor Anna got absolutely no privacy or time to have her babymoon period before she was thrown on TV. Anna seems incredibly sweet, but has been irking me more lately with her version of submitting to Josh. I am also a young wife with very similar belief system as the Duggars, and it confuses me how what they say doesn't always reflect what they do.

Anna was a lot more outgoing it seems before she married Josh, when she first appeared on the show she seemed so much more happy and interesting. She basically shut that off for him. I love and respect my husband very much, but I did not let him take away my personality. Submitting is one thing, but completely losing yourself in another person is something different all together.

The fact that the birth was filmed doesn't bug me, (I am planning on doing the same thing.) but it was more of the execution of it, which was FAR from modest. (And I'm sure not Anna's choice.) And that is something private, something special for her and the family, not all of America.

Please Duggars, don't do another season, you all are looking less and less like yourselves every episode. :(

Ellebelle said...

I agree, I wish they hadn't videotaped the birth. I also wish Anna had thought about what marrying into this family meant before she agreed to do so- she looks overwhelmed most of the time.
My father was a very controlling, domineering, and physically abusive man, and pictures of my mother with him look the same as Anna does now- very stiff and a little forced. It's probably just the TV crews in her face, but I still worry for both Anna and the baby.

Anonymous said...

You all kill me - freaking out aobut the "mental image" - just where do you think babies come from - a stork? When I was Anna's age, I had babies 1,2, and 3 in about 4 years. I was much less comforatable with my body, and would have never been seen naked or anything. However, when my kids were born, I realized the difference between a body part being used for sexual purpose and one being used for something as wonderful and beautiful as birth. By the third one, I had realized how much it meant to have support and had lots of family in on the birth. I think some people regretfully have the tendancy to over sexualize everything. Props to Anna for having the maturity and forethought to record an event she will want to remember accurately later.

Enough with the Mulitples said...

I agree with Emiku and Midwest Mom--how can they preach modesty and yet show the baby's birth on TV. I find it rather hypicritical the way they acted about the other wedding dresses yet it's okay for Anna's legs to be spread on TV for the birth. I would have no problem with a sexy wedding dress but keep your birth experience off TV--it should be shared between husband and wife. I do think some day, if not now, Anna will regret it.

Also they are doing not helping the courtship idea at all! More and more it seems clear that Anna would have been better off to have dated some other boys before committing herself to the Duggar family and the TLC crew. I think she may have far more long lasting regrets in life if she continues to have her personal expereinces filmed for all the world as well dealing with a mother in law who's clearly obsessed with having children and always being the center of attention than she would have if she got her heart broken a few times through dating.

NancyN said...

Anonymous 11:58 - I agree with you that the parts in question were delivering a baby and not displayed in a sexual way however the same could be said for lots of things that the Duggars spend so much time covering up. Breast feeding (w/exposed breast) in public or at least around family should not be a problem as the breast is being used to provide food. Legs should be able to be shown as they are not sexual - they are functional - used for walking. I'm not the least bit modest and in fact wear a bikini at the beach (not a tiny one :)) but I did NOT have a bunch of my family milling around between my spread legs (husband only) when my son was born. And I would not have felt comfortable having a video of me shown in the position Anna was in to the whole world. Looking at those pics actually made me uncomfortable for her.

gotsomewheelsnow said...

The Duggars seem to be contradicting themselves on a regular basis now, but this latest episode really takes the cake. They preach modesty, but yet they put out a video of Anna in the throes of childbirth. Also, I saw the Today show clip just now and it's so sad that they put TV ahead of a crying 4 day old who was probably bothered by all the lights and action around her and needed to be swaddled and hugged by her mommy - not positioned for the best tv shots.

I think they've roamed a long way from that original big family from Arkansas with the strict religious beliefs. Now they seem to think they require national tv time to announce their various pregnancies and births. In my opinion, and it's just my opinion, they've gotten pretty full of themselves over their "fame".

This little baby is 5 days old and they've already rushed and filmed a tv show for tonight. It's just sad to me. It seems like TLC has really gotten a good hold on this family and they've given up at a lot of their modesty and privacy.

I honestly didn't think the Duggars would be taken advantage of by TLC because of their strong faith and beliefs and would know when enough was enough. I think I was wrong.

BigSky21 said...

Ugh, my mother in law would just LOVE this episode. She is constantly preaching "natural birth" and "home birth" and telling me how evil doctors are and how evil medication is.
I dislike my mother in law and would NEVER let her be at the birth of any of my children although I can see her trying to get in the room.
That said, I don't think I would totally hate Michelle Duggar being at a birth. She has 18 kids and it's not like she doesn't know what it's like. She also seems to be a total sweetheart.
But I do have a question--why the heck does every Duggar baby girl ALWAYS have something on their head?
and also, does anyone have a link to the Duggars on The View?
I thought that the whole family did great on the Today show! The baby hardly cried at all. Josh does seem overbearing but I don't think he's abusive! I think he'll be a decent dad, and I mean who are we to judge at all???

Becca said...

Every woman is different. While I wouldn't want my mother in law there and I wouldn't be comfortable having the birth on TV, lots of women are (hello, have you ever seen A Baby Story?? They show a LOT more AND sometimes those women have a whole party goin on in the delivery room!).

Just because Anna's birth experience was not the way you would want it doesn't make it wrong.

Midwest Mom said...

previously posted by Becca: "Just because Anna's birth experience was not the way you would want it doesn't make it wrong".

Anna's birth experience starkly contrasts the way the holier-than-thou all-modest-all-the-time Duggar clan holds themselves out to be !

The birth was videotaped and a portion of it released for all the world to see on promos for tonight's episode.....
(sideways crotch-shot with Josh "push baby push" while Michelle holds her other leg).

For a family who proclaims to be modest, that was an awfully big "Nike Moment".

Shawna said...

For a family who proclaims to be modest, that was an awfully big "Nike Moment".

I second that! It is such a contradiction to everything the Duggars say they stand for.

When you have a TV show and you tout your strict religious beliefs on that show, you have to be extremely careful about what you say and do, or you will be called a hypocrite. I know we all do hypocritical things, but none of us promote our lives on a TV show either.

Anonymous said...

I just started watching, and I already have two things to say. First, Josh looked FLOORED that he had to wake up early for the appointment. Also, Michelle mentioned having to keep Jordyn in "baby mode" if she wasn't able to have another, and she calls them babies rather than children. I really am startign to get suspicious that she likes babies/pregnancy a little bit too much.
-Adrienne

Anonymous said...

I really think, from some of Michelle's comments so far, that she has come to like the idea of pregnancy only because she will have a BABY, rather than because she will have more children to raise and love. I know initially this started with religious beliefs, but now I feel like Michelle is similar to people who get a kitten without thinking that one day it will grow into a cat, so they just have to keep getting more and more kittens after they grow up and aren't so cute anymore. Michelle clearly isn't interested in the kids once they are no longer babies.
Christina

save the air said...

Well, I'm just watching the program recorded when Josh and Anna have their baby. Josh seems to have the same addictive habit of his father with the hair spray. However, maybe someone could warn him about the toxins he is spraying into the air. The fact that his pregnant wife is in the room with him is quite disturbing. Here's hoping Josh starts spraying outside once the baby is born. Or better still go "au natural" with the hair. Leave it as God intended.

chocolatebee said...

I am not normally a crier but tonight I cried, I was actually moved seeing Josh and Anna's relationship and Anna give birth to MacKynzie.Anna was such a trooper going through natural birth at home.I know a lot of people like to comment before they even see the episode and I know Josh can be a bit much but I don't think anyone can say anything bad after seeing this episode. I was touched to see the genuine part of Josh and Anna.Anna seemed like a real person as she discussed her relationship with Josh. Josh even showed his vunerability when he talked about the car lot and how it was kind of shakey at one point. It was great to see her and her family(her mom and sisters) at the shower. This episode answered so many of the questions that many people had such as to why they had the baby at home,where was Dr. Sarver, who assisted in the birth, etc. I thought Josh was absolutely wonderful and caring as he assisted Anna through her labor.There was real,raw emotion and I it definately touched me.I wish them the best of luck and blessings with their beautiful new baby girl.

AmyKB said...

First, I want the recipe for "cherry vanilla ice cream punch," it just sounds amazing!!
The chocolate diaper game grossed me out... but I liked the idea of mothers having bigger flowers on their shirts than non-mothers (at least that's how I understood it... maybe the distinction was something else completely).
Since a lot of first-time mothers deliver early and Anna was only 2 weeks early, why didn't they have a backup plan for the birth? With her doctor out-of-town, it disturbed me that Anna had been in labor several hours, yet Josh mentions they're still not sure if they're doing a home birth or going to the hospital. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A BACKUP PLAN! Last, the cameraman and Josh switching places was a little funny.

Willow #1 said...

I felt a little bit better about the "immodest" issue after actually seeing the whole episode. On video, its not so bad, just that the still picture on the internet made it look a little worse than it actually did. Anna did excellent and congrats to both of them. I think JimBob "babysitting" was cute. Sorry - don't yell at me. He took the kids while the girls went shopping and also during the shower. He even spoke appreciatively of all the girls do. Hope it wasn't just lip service (I don't THINK it was!). It was really nice to see Anna's mom and sisters get to come and visit her and J. picking them up in the limo. Nice touch. Oh yeah, and how cute was it seeing the crew taking turns holding the new baby!!! I think everyone on this show gets along just fine!!!

Hannah said...

Why is Anna wearing the same top of her mother in law. I just find that weird. It was also weird to the doc visits are on the same day and time.

I guess they got a new bus.

I hope Josh will help out with the baby during the night.

Anonymous said...

I was bothered by the fact the bought used car seats at the thrift mall. That is a very dangerous thing, even if you know the history of the former owner.

-katydid

Sherry said...

I loved this episode....like another viewer, I cried at the birth. I thought it was so sweet that Michelle came...you notice how quiet she was throughout the whole process. I think her desire was to be supportive but not to become the focus of the big event for Josh and Anna. Her gentle, quiet spirit was wonderful...and she didn't "give advice" during the birth or "take over."
The items they bought at the used consignment looked brand new to me. I borrowed a friend's infant seat when my granddaughter was born and it worked just great. One of our relatives is a police officer, and he made sure the seat was installed and working properly.
I think I would really hate it if my family was criticized so harshly as the Duggars' family. No matter what they do, they can't win. I don't agree with everything they do, naturally, and thought the wedding dress deal for the anniversary was a bit overboard...but primarily, the Duggar family is full of love. What they are doing works for them.

Callie1978 said...

It looks that some of Anna's older sisters aren't as religious as she is... I don't know if I'm reading this correctly but when they picked them up at the airport their weren't dressed as modestly as you'd expect i.e. tank style knee length dress.... I wonder what the situation would be if some of the Duggar kids chose to live a less religious life?

Anonymous said...

I'd have to say that modest was the right word not less religious.

Anonymous said...

I was bothered by the fact the bought used car seats at the thrift mall. That is a very dangerous thing, even if you know the history of the former owner.



also they expire after a few years

Anonymous said...

I do have to say my opinion of the Josh - Anna relationship has changed after seeing this - did you see the way Josh looked at Anna when MacKynzie was born? That was pure and total 100%% adoration right there. All of my thoughts about Josh being the domineering husband and Anna the submissive wife left at that moment - I think that he is absolutely over the moon in love with her.

Anonymous said...

Josh and Anna are just starting out and own a used car business that is pretty much bombing. TLC is paying them big bucks. Can you imagine how much they got paid for this episode? Can you blame them? What breathing room - and Josh can pay the bills next month while he stays home with Anna and his new daughter. Good for them!

I personally was thrilled to be able to watch this episode so soon after it actually happened!

DuggarFan said...

Hannah said:
I hope Josh will help out with the baby during the night.


I think he will because he more the nightowl. He can do the night duty and Anna can take the morning shift while he sleeps in. He doesnt like to get up early and she is ready to go when she wakes up. I think it would be the perfect balance.

Mrs P said...

It was lovely. I cried nearly as much as I have at all 6 of my children's births. Congratulations Josh and Anna! Welcome to the world little Mackynzie!

Love Mrs P

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I do not understand all of the comments about the birth on TV being immodest, or that it is inconsistant with their values. They did not show anything sexual or any private parts. What the family is concerned about is sex outside of marriage. So all of the sex talk among the married Duggars is not inconsistant and neither was the home birth.

KB said...

Looked at Josh and Anna's site, was surprised the main pic was of Josh and the baby, not the three of them.

Also a question that perhaps someone here has the answer to, why does Josh use the word "training" in regards to their beliefs in God as opposed to taught or better yet guidance in the ways of God. Personally, I find "training" to be a rather loaded word. IMO guidance suggests more openess and freedom of spirtuality as opposed to being "trained" to believe and think in a particular way. I would never say my parents "trained me," far to much like an animal being trained. I would say my parents have taught and guided me. Yes, I understand training is a form of teaching, my point is simply the effect the word can create or what it suggests.

I was surprised the birth was filmed as well, but perhaps Josh and Anna are a little more open-minded.

Anonymous said...

I thought it was insane that Josh and Anna went, "Dr. Sever is away. Let's just do a home birth" . In the first place, a home birth is always discussed and planned in advance. One doesn't just "decide" to do one the day a woman is in labor (at least not anyone with common sense). Second, where did a "midwife" come from, if they had been seeing an OB? She wasn't on camera---only the doula.

I also was very, very uncomfortable hearing Anna groaning as she was pushing. It was so IMMODEST, it made me, not such a modest person, feel icky. It is just more than we want to see, because they are not supposed to be a "Baby Story" kind of family. They cover up and yell NIKE. They should have had their baby, quietly with no cameras, and announced it, or shared a picture later, if they had to.

Finally, I was distressed for baby McKenzye to be in hot lights with all those germy kids, right after her birth. It just wasn't right, and TLC now owns the Duggars. How could they have strayed so far from their original values?

Popsicle said...

How fortunate for Anna that the need for an emergency C-section didn't present itself. That was what happened with me with my first child. A midwife isn't much use when your child (or your life) could be in danger.

Swissmiss said...

It was interesting that when they were interviewing one of the older girls before the shower, she stopped the interview immediately when one of the little girls got noisy and went and checked on her. Such a contrast to another show where the mom of multiples was being interviewed and completely ignored blood-curdling screams from one of her children.

It was sweet that the camera crew all took turns holding the new baby.

I had to laugh at Josh liberally spraying his hair - just like Dad.

I had taped the show and when they did that awful dirty diaper thing at the party, I had to fast-forward.

pumpkin said...

I have to say, I loved the hour and a half of Duggar love! (My fiance, not so much, he got bored and went to read a book after the first 30 minutes).

I was so pleased that the Duggars are still subscribing to the "buy used, save the difference" maxim that has gotten them so far in this life, despite the attention and income from TLC. (Can you imagine Kate Gosselin going to a consignment shop?!?)

The baby shower was amazing. I was so touched that Anna's sisters and mother came from all over the place. I definitely think that some of the sisters live very different lives from the Duggars, and I think this is a good thing. They can be positive role models without being exceptionally modest and conservative and they can show the Duggar girls another path of life.

I thought the end of the show was very sweet, with the cameramen and producers holding Mackynzie so lovingly. I'm really glad that Michelle and Jill made it in time to be there for the birth. I am glad that they weren't there the whole time though. They were there for just the right amount of time.

Anna did a GREAT job and I think she deserves a period of quiet solitude to bond with her daughter now. I hope that TLC lets them have some time to be alone together and doesn't force them to be on TV for awhile.

January said...

I am so happy that Anna delivered a healthy baby.

I, too, gave birth to my daughter at home with a midwife and a doula. However, I could not imagine having male camera crew taping the delievery (or any camera crew for that matter...my doula offered to take a picture of the baby crowning and I do believe I shouted "no")!

My husband and I were appalled by what we saw. After a baby is born she should be held by her mother to bond, not passed around to the camera crew. They can hold the baby later. Why wasn't Josh standing up for his wife and baby? If her husband isn't going to protect his family, Anna needs to find her voice; her baby is depending on her.

nccalgal said...

When Anna's b-i-l blogged about the wedding, he mentioned that both he and Anna's sister were raised and schooled in the ATI mindset, but after they married, they kept their conservative beliefs but eshewed the legalistic and quiverful lifestyle that they grew up in. Obviously, this applies to more than one of Anna's sisters. Even the way Josh and Anna were talking about their potential "quiverful", makes me think they aren't setting out to equal or outdo the senior Duggars. I don't think JB or M would disown or force their children to follow the exact path that they have taken if any of them chooses a less restrictive lifestyle once they are on their own as long as they keep their core values and beliefs.

Snap! said...

Anna seems to be more confident in this episode. Her family was great. All the little kids were really cute- I like how Jim Bob calls Jennifer-Jenny, Johanna-Hannie and Joy Anna- Joy.
I wish the Duggars would reconsider their education plan for their children. The money they make from TLC could pay for some training for future careers- It is sad that Josh has to be a used car salesman at such a young age- could he not take some college courses to give him more options?
I hope some of the children are given the option to attend college.
My son just started University- so I am living it right now- the Duggar children all seem bright enough for great careers and futures.

Good for the Goose said...

Anonymous 11:45

Why cry poor mouth, then. Why wouldn't Josh just say, "Thank goodness for what we'll make from TLC?"

Deceitful?

Good for Gander said...

Good point Anonymous 11:09

I just saw a safety alert about car seats the other day and they said, "Never buy used car seats. The newer ones have been made safer and they are not that expensive."

Cchris said...

We watched the show last night and my husband commented maybe the reason they did the home birth was because with Dr Sarver being out of town, Anna did not feel comfortable with another Dr. (especially if the on call dr was male?). I am surprised they did not have a solid back up plan. My last child was due during the holidays and I knew my dr would take a few days off, so I met with the dr that would be on call 2 times just in case.

In general I like the Duggars, and I'm not opposed to the birth on tv. I'm sure Jim BoB/Josh/Anna had some say so in what was shown and would object if they found it offensive.

The only thing that slightly bothers me is Jim Bob/Michelle talking about planning carefully with money, debt free living etc (which I think is great for them, and I applaud their wise choices) and Josh and Anna do not seem as prepared. Jim Bob/Michelle have passed on wonderful value to their kids, but it seems like in this case the were so excited for their first born to be married, he was not ready, or at least not ready to have a child.

Anna has a college degree and is a teacher. Jim Bob gave them a house. It would have been fine if Anna worked as a teacher for a few years and Josh went to college, trade school, or got some sort of training for a career. I just think it would have been a more wise financial decision instead of hoping the used car lot will provide(because I'm sure Anna will not be teaching now that she has a child).

Anonymous said...

i agree with a number of previous posters - the idea to do a home birth- is not a spur of the moment decision! there are midwives, and there are certified nurse midwives. CNMs are RNs who have a masters degree and pass a national exam. CNMs always work in partership with OBs. at first when i heard about this home birth - i assumed that there must be CNMs as part of Dr Sarver's practice - but have looked up the practice website, and only sarver and 2 other obs are listed. don't know if that is why the "midwife" who helped with the birth was not shown on camera - not licenced? hopefully there was someone there who knew something about what was going on, and had emergency plans in place.

Anonymous said...

I'll try to keep this short - I have a few comments. First, in response to BigSky21, It's my understanding that the female babies always have something on their heads because the Duggars believe women's heads should always be covered, based on their interpretation of the Bible. This offends me, when I think of innocent little babies who haven't grown hair yet or women who have lost theirs to cancer.
-Another thought... where were Anna's other two sisters, Candace and Priscilla?
-Cchris, you mentioned that Anna is a teacher? I didn't know this!
-Lastly, I'm starting to get very confused about Josh and Anna's views on having children. The way Anna explained it, when she said she didn't feel the need to have a large family, she sounded like she had a very healthy attitude toward the purpose of marriage. However, Josh explained to the cameraman that they are still leaving it up to God, which basically still means that they aren't using birth control, right? I understand Josh's point about God not giving them anything they can't handle, but the way Anna spoke, it sounded as if she didn't plan on having a lot of children. I guess I just don't understand the point of talking about your own views or desires at all if you are still "leaving it up to God" and choosing not to use birth control, because you never know what can happen. Maybe someone can clarify this for me?
-Christina

Anonymous said...

"Anna has a college degree and is a teacher."

Anna has a "degree" to teach Sunday school. She doesn't exactly have a BA in Business.

Perhaps it's time for some work ethic to be instilled in Daddy Josh. Get up earlier. Work two jobs. You have a wife and baby to support.

Midwest Mom said...

posted by Cchris: "Anna has a college degree and is a teacher."

Anna has a teaching certificate in "christian education". She is NOT however currently teaching.

I took this quote directly from Josh & Anna's official website: "We are working together at our pre-owned car dealership."

As you can see, Anna is not now, nor has she been teaching, since she moved to Arkansas.

Anonymous said...

when josh and anna went to the birthing class and anna had to get down on all fours and very awkwardly began pumping up and down....the look on josh's face was priceless..i thought he was going to have a seizure because of the movements his wife was making..he made sure to keep one hand on her at all times..god forbid if 1/4 inch of skin is shown in a class for pregnant parents...oh what a life ahead for anna duggar ;)

Anonymous said...

I just feel that Anna is being sucked into the whole Duggar machine. I really felt sorry for her, what with the whole birth being broadcast to the world. Some moments are just private and special.

Another poster speculated on how much money they were making, after hearing Jon Gosselin admit how much TLC was paying his family, I doubt that Anna and Josh are seeing an incredibly huge amount.

Anonymous said...

I’m a huge fan of the show and watch it on a regular basis. I don’t think their values are changing as they film more, but rather, they are freer to express themselves.

Like most of the people who have left comments, I was shocked when I watched Anna giving birth. What an intimate moment that should have never been shown on television, especially for a family who consider girls wearing pants being immodest. Such a double standard!

The idea of a home birth and her mother in law being in the room is of little consequence compared to that.

I was so BAFFLED when Josh said that Anna didn’t feel comfortable with another doctor… But she was okay with cameramen being in the room and having the whole process filmed and aired on international television?????????

MoMoneyMoProblems said...

I would probably let TLC film my birth for $20,000 or more. doesn't make it right, but I'd do it.

Anonymous said...

$$$$$$ is at the root of this situation. I can understand Josh and Anna wanting financial security for their family, but is it worth it? It is sad that they don’t realize the kind of situation they are creating for themselves.

Anonymous said...

There is nothing IMMODEST about childbirth.
Airing it on national television for the sake of money is what’s disgusting.

Judy said...

I thought this was a very sweet episode though I admit to being a bit disturbed when Michelle told her son that they thought her baby had been conceived on Father's Day. A little too much information to share with one's son, imo.

Anonymous said...

Judy, I agree about the Father's Day thing! We really didn't need to know what day they had sex, and I'm sure Josh didn't want to either.

msrylee said...

I agree that Michelle didn't have to tell Josh and the viewers what day she thought she conceived the baby. I find it inappropriate to discuss the timing of sex with your own children or anyone else's.

Childbirth is not immodest. However, allowing male camera people in the room IMO doesn't respect Anna's privacy at all. TLC must have paid big bucks in order for the Duggars to allow this filming and further broadcasting to occur.

lea said...

Poor Anna. This young girl will be pregnant again by X-mas. Another Duggar breeder for TLC and another woman to control by Joshua.Anna will be pregnant for every year of her life.

mary p said...

I think it's fair to say that if Anna didn't want any form of her daughter's birth filmed she would have said so. I doubt she was bound by a contract to show parts of the birth. And even being a modest women I think what we saw of her birth was a very modest view. I can't even remember if you saw her thigh much less anything more. You saw Mckenzye when she came out but not until she was fully birthed. I think the home birth adn the taping by TLC was done very tastefully and likely to the terms that the Duggar's agreed to. Childbirth is a very precious moment and should be viewed as something immodest or gross and I think that is probably how Anna felt. I'm very proud of her for being so calm through the whole process and being so relaxed. I'm sure she would have loved for her mother to be there, and we don't know why she wasn't, but I'm also sure she was thankful and grateful for Michelle's presence and guidance. It's very clear that they have a close bond for being mother and daughter in law. It's not unheard of. I have a very clsoe bond with my mother in law and look to her the same as I do my own mother, especially since I live clsoer to my mother in law jsut like Anna. All in all I'm glad the birth was only 10 minutes of the show and I'm even happier it went smoothly and that mother and baby are doing fine.

Snow White said...

Did anyone notice one of the older girls wave her hand in front of Jennifer's face when she was crying? It was subtle, but if you watch it, it looks like she waves it up and down to stop the crying? Am I seeing things?

Beth said...

***I hope Josh will help out with the baby during the night.***

If Anna is breastfeeding, and not supplementing at all, Josh wouldn't have much to do at night.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Josh and Anna are just starting out and own a used car business that is pretty much bombing. TLC is paying them big bucks. Can you imagine how much they got paid for this episode? Can you blame them?

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I also think that TLC is paying this (entire) family a pretty penny for their "participation" in the series. With Jim Bob's "thrifty, business saavy" and the way he is always on the look-out for a "deal", I am not surprised if he would have negotiated lucrative contracts for them all.

Josh said that the car business was "slow" in the summer and that they had to dip into their savings to offset the expenses. If not for "savings" earned through the show, I can't imagine where in the world he would have acquired them (especially to the degree that the money could have supported a business). He is only 21 and has never held a job, other than the car lot and the show. Also, it appears that John-David is no longer in partnership with Josh, as it was just Josh, Anna and her sister there.

I also noticed that Josh and Anna's home (living room particularly) was very nicely decorated. It was not plush, by any means, but certainly did not look like it was furnished in mis-matched, thrift store pieces. The curtins, sofas and tables did not look outdated or used. Anna seems to have a flair for making her home her own.

So, it does seem that indeed this family is being compensated handsomely by TLC. Hopefully, each child has a pay check and bank account. It may be the only way the girls will ever have/earn their own money.

Diane said...

All I have to say is that I was freakin impressed that 21 year old Josh delivered his own baby. Great job Josh and Anna.

Anonymous said...

The home belonged to Grandpa Duggar, so that may have been furnishings from someone else.

Cassandra said...

I was bothered by the fact the bought used car seats at the thrift mall. That is a very dangerous thing, even if you know the history of the former owner.

-katydid

I said the EXACT same thing to my fiance!!!!!! Some things you definitely need to buy new and not used, and a carseat is one of those.

CappuccinoLife said...

I think editing made this episode confusing. The whole birth segment was all of 15 minutes long. Surely we don't think that Anna's labor was *just* 15 minutes, so why assume that the baby was handed off to the camera man within the first 5 minutes of life? Really!
Also, there were signs that they *were* prepared for a homebirth (baby scale, cord-cutting scissors, etc). The episode made it seem like it was a drop-of-the hat decision, but I'm not sure it was. If it was completely impromptu, I'd say that's not wise, but I'm not convinced it really went that way.

**I guess I just don't understand the point of talking about your own views or desires at all if you are still "leaving it up to God" and choosing not to use birth control, because you never know what can happen. Maybe someone can clarify this for me?**

They were clarifying what they believed, after being asked. That's why they talked about it. ;) We are of the same belief, so it doesn't seem at all odd to me. What they were saying is that they are not out to beat out Josh's parents, and that it's not about the numbers. Some people assume that. Many people also assume that without birth control, every woman will have a baby every year. That is simply not true.
My husband and I started out being excited about the possibility of a really large family. But we believe that it is up to God, and we accept that given the spaces between our children's births, and with a miscarriage, we aren't likely to have as big a family as we'd thought we might have. We are completely open to more and happily welcome each new child, but are also content and blessed with the ones we have. We won't use fertility treatments to grow our family to a particular number, because it's not about having a particular number, but being both open to more, and content with the way God shapes our family.

I think Josh and Anna have a very healthy view of the "Quiverful" belief, actually. That marriage is not *just* about babies, and that being "Quiverful" is not a numbers contest. It is about being completely open to new life and willing to have children on God's timing and not our own.

Harriet said...

They were pretty clear about the length of labor. There was a time on the screen showing how long labor had gone to that point.

Good for the Gander said...

The scene where two people and their daughter are interested in a car on the lot: Did lazy Josh ask pregnant Anna to show them the car?

Didn't the kids have to get up to be home schooled in the mornings? He's as lazy as they come as far as what I can see.

imaamy said...

Did anyone else notice they did not show the little girls in the limo? When they got in, they showed Anna and her sisters but not the children. I seriously doubt they were in carseats.

aimee said...

Mary p, I agree with your post. I highly doubt Anna was forced to allow TLC to film the birth. As for modesty, it appeared to me that her legs were covered with pant legs. Pretty smart, actually.
I was amazed at Josh. Up until now, he had only dough-boy qaulities. He really stepped up. The moment between Josh and Anna after the baby was born was one of the truest, sweetest things I have seen. Love, pure and simple. As for the posters who expressed that the senior Duggars should have footed the bill for Anna's mom to be there? Why? I wouldn't expect my in-laws to pay for my parents to do anything. I think that would be quite awkward. Also, if Anna didn't want Michelle there, I'm sure that wouldn't have been a problem. Personally, if I could only have one person in the whole world with me while I gave birth, Michelle is a pretty smart choice!
Lastly, regarding the furniture in the house...just cause it's used doesn't mean it will look terrible. But that sofa....UGLY!!!! and second (third even) for sure!

Joanna said...

Hey CappuccinoLife, I personally believe that no amount of birth control can interfere with the babies God wants a couple to concieve. If it's God's timing and He wants you to concieve, it'll happen. I've seen it to many times not to believe it. And I know quite a few couples whom doctors told they'd never have children, and it was suppose to be medically impossible, but they did have children. A few of those couples had as high as 4 or 5 children (some conceieved "after" having their tubes tied).

Anonymous said...

" I’m a huge fan of the show and watch it on a regular basis. I don’t think their values are changing as they film more, but rather, they are freer to express themselves.

Like most of the people who have left comments, I was shocked when I watched Anna giving birth. What an intimate moment that should have never been shown on television, especially for a family who consider girls wearing pants being immodest. Such a double standard!

The idea of a home birth and her mother in law being in the room is of little consequence compared to that.

I was so BAFFLED when Josh said that Anna didn’t feel comfortable with another doctor… But she was okay with cameramen being in the room and having the whole process filmed and aired on international television????????? "
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I agree with you 100%. It blew me away. We never see that girl's thigh and then all of a sudden she is o.k. with it being shown to millions of people on t.v. ? Such an intimate experience - her first child and to have a camera crew there documenting it the whole time....bleh.

Jinger Rocks! said...

Anonymous 2:12 (10/14):
"I was so BAFFLED when Josh said that Anna didn’t feel comfortable with another doctor… But she was okay with cameramen being in the room and having the whole process filmed and aired on international television?????????"

YES! Totally agree!

P.S. Jinger still rocks!

Good for the Gander said...

Harriett 11:54

I remember it being 11+ hours into labor.
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Maybe Anna's Mom didn't think it was a good idea to film the birth and chose not to be present. She seems like a modest person, as well. I think her sisters would have been there if her family felt it was okay to film. It may have been Josh who wanted the birth on film.

Did Josh say he traded for the limo? I know he said something, but I wasn't able to hear it.

In the end whether I agree or disagree about filming the birth, I'm glad that Mom and Baby are well. I need to try not to be too judgmental. I hate to see them fall into the same trap as J&K, though they at least have the advantage of knowing what the trappings and pitfalls of reality TV are.

Sarah said...

"Joanna said... Hey CappuccinoLife, I personally believe that no amount of birth control can interfere with the babies God wants a couple to concieve. If it's God's timing and He wants you to concieve, it'll happen."
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I agree that God can get past our own boundaries we put up in different areas of our lives, including with regard to fertility. However, the QF mindset isn't about babies. People think it is, but it's not. It is about completely giving a part of your decision making process over to God...no matter what the outcome is. I know QFers that have no kids. I know QFers that have one kid. I know QFers that have 3-4 and then never had more. I know QFers that have a soccer team full or more. QFers believe that your choosing to use birth control isn't so much about the limited fertility, it is about your being in control of an area you feel is not yours to control. They set out to give that control over to God...no matter what.

Also many QFers believe that God will lead them in the future convictions in the future, and they don't necessarily believe that the path God has them on today will be the same path or the same conviction God will have them follow in the future.


To Josh and Anna-Congrats on the birth of your baby!!!


I am not sure if they planned a home birth or not. I mean, I have all things for a home birth in my medical kits, but have never had one. Well, everything but the baby scale. However, that could have been something Michelle and Jim Bob had and Josh and Anna were just borrowing. Or that could have been something their friend/doula had and brought with her after they decided to have a home birth, or maybe she had it in her trunk just in case. Who knows where it came from. If I could homebirth I probably would, but with medical problems (blood pressure related) I feel it has been safer for me to have my (so far) 5 in hospitals. I totally understand Anna's trepidation of not knowing the dr. I don't think it is just about not knowing, but not knowing their stances on things. I don't have much of a choice of who delivers my kids (hubby is military), and it is a major problem sometimes when a dr comes in and wants to make a birth very medical. I don't like that and can see how Anna would not feel comfortable with that being pushed on her. I do not feel that birth is like a disease, however many medical professionals treat it like that. It is very annoying to see the way the medical community looks at birth sometimes. If you don't believe me, watch The Business Of Being Born...very interesting and eye opening. Birth is a totally normal thing. Yes things can go wrong, Yes you have to use discretion in where you choose to have your baby. However, you aren't sick, you don't need to be poked and prodded just because that's the way things are always done. It's not necessary in most cases. Many women feel this way, and that's why homebirthing is growing so much in America these days. Approximately 1% of all babies are home births in America. Maybe one day we will catch up with The Netherlands- there it is about 30% of all births that are done at home.

Boysmom said...

Here's my opinion on the homebirth. J&A always planned one. They saw an MD during pregnancy for prenatal care and then either had an unassisted birth or that lady was actually a midwife, possibly a direct entry midwife who isn't licensed. There could be legal issues involved or possibly they didn't want any publicity over a homebirth. Or maybe they just weren't sure of what they wanted and the doctor being out of town tipped the balance. But no way was that a spur of the moment decision, they were way too prepared. That being said, I'm sure it was a financial decision, homebirth (particularly unassisted) is much cheaper than hospital birth and their insurance (if they have any) likely doesn't cover childbirth, unless they have medicaid, which I doubt they'd take, even though they'd probably qualify (sans TLC money anyway.)

Bella said...

I watched the Today Show and View clips on YouTube. I have to say, I felt so sorry for Anna. The first interview actually went pretty smoothly, but during The View, that poor baby was quite obviously hungry and wanted to nurse. I didn't think Anna was trying to hold the baby to get a good "camera angle". I think she was just trying to shush her hungry baby until the interview was over. She just looked so uncomfortable and overwhelmed to have to be on national TV with her hungry, crying baby who was just 4 days old! Babies who are hungry don't just stop crying, they need food and don't understand why they can't have it immediately. You could tell she was ready for the interviews to be over so she could tend to her newborn. I don't see her being the type to say, "My baby is hungry and I need to feed her, but it was nice talking to you Barbara!" and walking off camera to nurse. However thats probably what I would have done. LOL

I disagree with what some of you are saying about Anna not knowing what she was getting into marrying a Duggar. On the contrary, I think she knew exactly what she was doing. She clearly loves Josh and the whole Duggar family and I really don't think she minds the lifestyle (with the possible exception of the cameras).

What I don't think she (or Josh for that matter) really considered is the reality of married life and a baby. Everything is all fine and dandy when you get married and get pregnant and you're just over the moon about everything. But then the baby is born and reality sets in. Its not all happy times, especially when both parents are exhausted, the baby is screaming and up 5 times during the night, dishes are piling up in the sink and there are no clean clothes because you haven't had time to do laundry, all while you're trying to adjust to your new life with a newborn. Its stressful. They just seem so young and immature yet. Well at 20 years old, they are! No amount of love or trust in God will replace life experience to make wise choices in marriage and child rearing. JBob and Michelle had an advantage over J&A. They were on birth control the first 4 years after they got married. They had time to get to know each other and become somewhat financially stable before birthing a huge family. J&A are just starting out, barely married a year, and trying to keep a business afloat that obviously has its best days behind it. They have very little to go off of, and now they have a new baby. I wish them well, I think things will work out for them but I'm pretty sure there's going to be a bit of a learning curve for awhile.

Also, I can't believe the junk heaps Josh is trying to pass off as cars. I mean there are used cars and then there are USED cars. I would never even consider a car like the ones he's got on that lot. I mean maybe if thats seriously all I could afford, but those cars look like they're barely hanging on, much less be able to last a few years. When I buy a used car I want to make sure I'm not going to be having to pour a ton of money into to keep it running, and I want to make sure it will last awhile so I'm not stuck buying another one in 6 months.

TheBriMonster said...

I would like to point out two things. The first is that John David spent most of the summer with the Bates and that is probably why we did not see him at the car lot.

The second is that Michelle has had several home births and probably had things like scales already.

Anonymous said...

several theories about Anna's mom not being there
Anna did have the baby early - maybe her Mom already had a ticket and couldn't change the date.
Maybe she was already on her way - maybe the family was driving and you can't really speed that up. Michelle and Jill were in TX and Anna's family is in Fl - much quicker getting there from TX.
We don't know that there was a male filming crew in the room - ever hear of tripods? Also Jill could probably have run a camera. I doubt the home birth was that spur of a moment decision. Their Doula seemed to know exactly what she was doing - maybe she is a midwife or midwife assistant. That option was probably already being discussed.
Editing is such a huge part of TV -we really only see what they want us to.
I thought she was very modest during labor. My labor was filmed my by hubby and isn't that modest - yes I know it isn't being viewed by thousands but still I didn't see anything wrong.
I really have trouble grasping some of the comments on here and how a lot of people make assumptions. I would love to know the Duggars personally. They are such a testimony of a Godly family, and an inspiration and encouragement to me to live closer to God.

A huge Duggar supporter.

Anonymous said...

As far as I can tell, Josh is pretty unmotivated to do much of anything except eat and sleep. By the looks of his belly he gets lots of both.

I was equally as BAFFLED by the lack of a single voice regarding the family size question. "Leaving it up to God" is an answer. However, it is quickly qualified with ifs and buts that indicate they are going to have real problems dealing with the economic and logistical realities of the consequence of keeping and living this very public vow.

Also, Anna said she feels no pressure to "produce" and yet, remember the urgency and tension over the four pregnancy tests and the inability to look at the results of the final test and Josh had to tell her she was pregnant?
That seemed to be the first goal of their marriage? And she appeared to be so fragile and in fear of failure if she didn't get pregnant right away. I'd call that PRESSURE!

They need to talk honestly and they should do it with a mediator who can support and help them cope with whatever decision they come to. Anna getting a job to suppliment their income or finding a justification (loophole) in the Gothard philosophy that justifies effective birth control, etc. Either way, they need help because Josh and the car lot cannot support untold numbers of children.

CappuccinoLife said...

Joanna, you have a perfect right to believe however you want about birth control. :)

I was just clarifying as someone who believes similarly to Josh and Anna, why they explained it the way they did.

winsomeone said...

Just because Michelle has had multiple births, that doesn't qualify her to deliver other womens' babies, or to be the best person to have around in the delivery room. That's like saying a person has had many surgeries, so now when her husband is having surgery, she would be a good person to allow in the surgery room..that's comparing apples to oranges.

Anonymous said...

J&A were unprepared and had no plan B. The discussion in the doorway proved that, "we could have a home birth..." (with Josh sporting a "what d'ya think , babe?" look on his face - it's not a pizza choice!) Then Josh gets on the phone to see if Miss Becky will be their doula - thank God she was in town. She's the one who showed up and prepared the room, brought the tools and helped facilitate the birth.

IMO, no serious prep seemed to be the case throughout the preganancy. Remember the the inconsistancy in: taking pre-natal vitamins, doing Bradley home work, exercises, etc. "Just not catchin' it." (Josh said this at least twice)

Well, they say there's a special God who watches over drunks and children and luckily, it appears He/She was on duty that day.

As for Dr. Sarver... Had she been there and they had planned to go to the hospital, believe me, there would have been people helping out who neither Anna nor Josh would have met and they would have dealt with it.

I'm just glad all worked out well and the MRD is a healthy baby.

nccalgal said...

The length of the skirts is a modesty issue. The reason they don't wear pants is more of a gender issue. Wearing pants is seen as "unfeminine" since they are worn by men. There's more to the issue, but the basis for this is from Corinthians where Paul deals with the role of women in the church and how they are to cherish their femininity and not try to dress and act as men.

wildflowers said...

I too think that the birth is so very wonderful that I would only want my husband there. The mother and mother in law can be close by (outside the door). But I just believe this is such an intimate moment that it really shouldn't be shared. And although not much was shown, the camera men were in the room! They saw! Yuck! It really takes away from their values on modesty.
The other thing that bothers me. They are modest in dress, but Josh and Anna's public behavior is a little over the top. I am really surprised that this is okay. I know Jim Bob and Michelle kiss a lot and hold hands. But A and J seem to go much further.
And did we need to know that Michelle got pregnant on Fathers Day? Double Yuck! I guess that was his 'present'. Some of this seems to be a bit hypacritical.

MomOfThree said...

Josh and Anna's home did once belong to Josh's grandparents, but it was a rental property in poor condition when Josh "got" it. They showed how Josh had "remodeled" it and put in new carpets, painted, etc on the episode when Josh brought Anna and her sister "chaperones" from Florida to Arkansas. He took Anna to see the new home he had secured for them to live in after their marriage. The house was a shambles and a work in progress then.

Maybe the furnishings and decorations came from pieces family members had discarded, but for the most part, to me, they all appeared new and in style now...such as the large "family" sign that was on their mantle, just below their wedding photo.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Yes, Josh said he traded for the limo. I thought he may have traded for it to be a rental, but it seems from the comments of the younger ones riding it that he now owns it.

This family while being modest in their spending still knows how to live in style. I was very impressed how nice the baby shower was. The girls did a great job with the decorations. The girls really have a lot of skills. I remember when they gave the Christmas party in El Salvador they had done a wonderful job getting the presents and the party ready for a celebration. The girls have a lot of skills that they can use throughtout their lives. They seem to know how to celebrate and enjoy life.

Anonymous said...

I'm a Duggar fan, but found it a little creepty when Jim Bob had to inform Josh, Anna, and US that they conceived on Father's Day, ewww, can you say TMI! Come on JB, we didn't need that. I was also irritated with Josh complaining about getting up early! What time does he open the car dealer? Perhaps being home schooled, didn't prepare him for early mornings, LOL!

SuzanneDeAZ said...

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Also, I can't believe the junk heaps Josh is trying to pass off as cars. I mean there are used cars and then there are USED cars. I would never even consider a car like the ones he's got on that lot. I mean maybe if thats seriously all I could afford, but those cars look like they're barely hanging on, much less be able to last a few years. When I buy a used car I want to make sure I'm not going to be having to pour a ton of money into to keep it running, and I want to make sure it will last awhile so I'm not stuck buying another one in 6 months."

How do you know the condition of the running of those cars? You can not tell by looking at the outside. I think it is good they have cars that may be cheaper than what you would pay for to give others who may have less money an opportunity to purchase a car. They may feel it an opportunity to serve a pooer community and have cars of a lower price to offer. There are some people who may have a very limited amount of money to pay for a car in order to get a job or stay on a job.

Also some of their cars I have seen in the past look nice so you can not say that he only sells cars that are not so "nice" in your eyes.

aimee said...

I'm not saying that Michelle is comparable to a surgeon, any more than a speeder would be a great driving instructor. That's not the analogy. My point: Michelle has practical birth experience. That fly's high over a knocked out surgical patient.

There are a lot of women who don't convalese after birth. (No judgement, some are just wired that way.) Maybe Anna is one of them, she is only 20!

You know, I don't think I would make some of the choices Josh and Anna have. But that's the thing; they have the right to make their choices, and we all share that right. I guess I feel a little defensive for them. Maybe we can open ourselves to different choices rather than interpreting those different choices as wrong. It doesn't mean we have to make the same ones, but be accepting of the differences. Just sayin'.

Swissmiss said...

I wonder if the doula might have brought scissors and scales. Or maybe Michelle had given them to the young couple months ago for all we know. After all, she gave birth at home several times, and the next birth for her is several months away.

Too much information on exactly when Michelle and Jim Bob conceived their baby.

I bet Anna has spent a lot more time with the camera crew than she did with her doctor. They are part of the family by now.

HW said...

nccalgal - thanks for bringing that up. I've been wanting to make that point for quite some time and I appreciate your taking the time to do that.

Now to be a cynic about Josh. I can't help but think he enjoyed the idea of a homebirth so that he could be the one to deliver his child. And I think it has more to do with control issues than sentiment. I know that sounds snarky but it was my first thought.

Anonymous said...

I wonder if Josh and Anna don't have the same standards about TV as their parents do. I ask this because I took the "how well do you know Josh and Anna" quiz on the website, and one of the questions was where Anna was born. She said, "I was born in Broward County, Florida, the same place where Police Women on TLC is filmed." I think sometimes we assume that they are a lot more naive than they are. They obviously know more than we give them credit for - at least Josh and Anna do.

Gayle said...

I was disappointed to hear Josh say 'I can't believe people actually get up this early' at 7:30! He's an adult for pity's sake. Get up and act like one. Poor Anna was up are ready to go but Josh was whinning and had to lay the seat back in the car to prove his point. If he wanted to remain a teenager with few responsibilites, don't get married, have a baby. Stay at home with Mommy and Daddy. That just sounded so immature. With Anna even pregnant and not complaining he could done better.

Paige (Final Clothes-Out) said...

I don't think Josh and Anna had all of the baby-measuring gear at home. I bet the midwife (or whatever she was) brought that stuff with her.

I have mixed feelings about the birth and how much was shown. They could've been much more graphic with it, a la "A Baby Story," but it's still surprising that the whole crew was in the room for the Big Moment.

Finally, when Michelle mentioned baby 19 was "probably concieved on Father's Day" I wanted to vomit. TMI, sweetheart.

Midwest Mom said...

posted by wildflowers: "The other thing that bothers me. They are modest in dress, but Josh and Anna's public behavior is a little over the top."

I second that !

In the episode where Josh proposes to Anna and they they drive from Florida back to Arkansas, it showed them holding hands in a way that to me, amounted to plain ole' "hand sex".

Anonymous said...

I can't help but wonder if the dissappointment in Anna of her not conceiving right away (like 3 months, whatever) is almost seen as some kind of religious failure. I mean, if children are a blessing from God and he grants you with them because he believes in you, does that mean if you are not granted with them, God doesn't believe in you.
I can't help but feel like perhaps procreating is a way that the Duggars try to feel more Christian, like if we get pregnant then we must be doing something right and if they don't then maybe God is mad at them and that maybe they are not praying enough or whatever, kind of like punishment.
So therefore, Anna was nervous to have not gotten pregnant because that meant she was doing something wrong. If that's not the case, then why would she even care when it would happen.

pogo said...

Perhaps Josh, does not subcribe to his parents thinking. He, already said that he probably will not have as many children as his parents keep having. Remember, Anna comes from a family of 8, not 18, and I did remember Josh saying it's up to her, then quickly changed it to, up to God. This will be interesting.

Anonymous said...

If he did say "traded" for the limo, I thought as you did that it was for a day's rental.

If he traded to own it, what in the world did he trade. Those are expensive cars.

Some things just don't add up. As I said in another post, why would Jim Bob list several things as his sources of income on one of the morning shows and not mention what they get from TLC?

Liv's Mommy said...

JMO but I don't think that Dr. Sarver was out of town I just think that she would not allow filming. During things such as giving birth many hospitals do not allow filming because of malpractice issues etc. So I think that the decision to home birth was made strictly for filming purposes. Luckily and thankfully everything went fine and all is well.

iheartmyhubby said...

Now to be a cynic about Josh. I can't help but think he enjoyed the idea of a homebirth so that he could be the one to deliver his child. And I think it has more to do with control issues than sentiment. I know that sounds snarky but it was my first thought.
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I agree about the homebirth being more about control. It seems like he is very controlling, like his parents raised an egomaniac. He is used to bossing his siblngs and bossing his wife is an easy transition.

Mrs P said...

Dr Sarver does allow for filming, b/c Michelle Duggar has given birth with Dr Sarver as her doctor for the last 3 children (Johannah, Jennifer, and Jordyn-Grace).

And as for Anna being dissapointed, did you ever think maybe she just plain old wanted a baby? I was 19 when I married, and we were not subscribers to the 'quiverfull' philosophy, but we wanted a baby as soon as possible too. We were *thrilled* to find out we were pregnant when we came home from our honeymoon. Between our 2nd and 3rd, it took us nearly a year to become pregnant again and it was devastating to find out we were not pregnant month after month.

Mrs P

Willow #1 said...

Dr. Sarver's office and hospital have allowed filming.

randomgirl said...

Dr. Sarver allowed Michelle's births to be filmed, so I don't think that was an issue.

I don't think Anna was tricked or forced into this. She is an adult so TLC would need her consent, too.

Anonymous said...

I love the Duggars and every single one of them is goregeous. I was so excited about the new baby, and for all of those asking about Dr. Sarver, Anna went into labor early and her doctor was out of town, and Anna wasn't comfortable with having a different doctor so they asked their birthing class instructer to step in as a mid-wife: someone they trusted, and is educated in the birthing plan they chose.

Congratulations to the new mommy and daddy!!!

Anonymous said...

Ya know, in another post about the visit to the dentist, someone posted that Jill seemed "slow" because she cried so hard & clung to her Dad.

I am actually beginning to think it may be Josh who is slow. He has yet to shed that wide-eyed look as though he wakes up every day with incredulity that he is actually married and has a kid. And shocked his parents are allowing him. Yes, it is a huge adjustment and all of us have had moments of "how did I get HERE?" but Josh's attitude toward the birthing classes and life in general (ie: getting up early on behalf of your own child!) and his inability to sell a car to save his life just make me wonder. Also, as she was discussing each of her children, I think I remember Michelle describing Josh as one with a good heart, but is still learning. She's right. He seems to have just fallen off the turnip truck.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 1:29 said...


...and one of the questions was where Anna was born. She said, "I was born in Broward County, Florida, the same place where Police Women on TLC is filmed." I think sometimes we assume that they are a lot more naive than they are.

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I'd be a heckuva lot more impressed if she had referenced something, anything besides another TLC progam! She could even have said it's an hour west of Ft Lauderdale (or whatever.)

-Katydid

Anonymous said...

I watched this show tonight for the first time. Here are a few comments:
Michelle is glad all the older children were girls so they could help out with the younger ones? What?

#19 was conceived on Father's Day? Not only is that way TMI, but it lookks to me like every day is father's day at the Duggars.

Josh is a lazy spoiled brat. He runs his own business but can't get out of bed at 7:30?

I also thought it was really sensitive of him to order his pregnant wife out onto the used car lot to sell a car while he sat in a nice cool office.

Oh, BTW, Jim Bob, it's not babysitting when they're YOUR KIDS.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I do not believe those who have the "quiver full" trusting God in their procreation believe that the amount of kids and how soon after marriage they become parents is a sign of God approving or disapproving of them as some have stated.

Trusting God in the number of children has to do with believing God has a specific plan for each couple when it comes to the amount of Children. As Michelle said that God knows how many children she can handle and thereby trust Him for the amount. I have only one child, through adoption who just turned 19 today. We were 5 years into our marriage whens he was born when I was 41 years old. I never felt not for a moment that not having kids right away and only becoming a mother through adoption was because I did not deserve more children. I am content with the one child I have and if God did not open adoption as a way to have a child I would be content being childless. I trusted God would bring a child in our life if it was meant for me to become a mother. He did and we are content as a couple. If God gave us more we too would be content. We did notthing to prevent us from having kids and we did notthing to make us have children through fertility treatments.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

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I watched this show tonight for the first time. Here are a few comments:
Michelle is glad all the older children were girls so they could help out with the younger ones? What?"

What Michelle said is that God knew she would need help with so many boys so He gave her girls first to help out with the boys. You see it is not the amount of kids or how many girls vs. boys that they are believing God to give them. What they believe is God is a God of order and a God who gives one not more than they could handle. It is God who gives life and God who chooses the sex of each child. She was saying God gave her the order of the children as to work well with how the family flows together. There is a reason God gave her the children she has in the order she has them and the order of the sexes. She was giving God the credit for her blessings and birth/sex order is one of the blessings.

I believe, even though the older girls help a lot with the younger children, especially with so many boys in a row, that she knows this will not always be this way and that these girls will be leaving the nest soon. I think she trust that God will give her then as they leave the help she may need either by bringing in outside help or by having the boys step up and take over some of the more traditional "womenly" duties. She may have to do more work as she did before the girls got old enough to be such a help. She knows this and I am confident she will adjust to changes just like the rest of us do as "life" happens.

nccalgal said...

When one believes that God ordains our lives and uses everything, good or bad, as a means of fulfilling his purposes, then the question of whether one gets pregnant or not is not a "Is God punishing me" issue. Many couples who have had fertility issues end up adopting children who might otherwise not have had the blessing of loving parents. Most who rely on God to determine the number of blessings he bestows on them usually don't go to extreme means to get pregnant, chosing instead to explore foster parenting or adoption believing that that was what God intended for them.

NancyN said...

I completely respect the Duggar's belief system and choices on child bearing (for them) however I am always confused by the comments regarding God not giving people more than they can handle when it comes to kids. I do a LOT of volunteer work with homeless teens and I can tell you that in many, if not most cases, the parents of these kids could absolutely NOT handle being parents. Most were abused, neglected, or brought up in households driven by addiction. Why did God give them kids and not someone else? Not to get into a big theological discussion - it's just that the whole quiverfull thing just doesn't make sense to me in that context.

bear said...

Well, it would be hard for the used car sale business to be booming over the summer what with the whole Duggar clan traveling the country by bus all summer (the Bates house, Ohio, Gatlinburg, D.C, NYC, etc). If Josh wasn't at the lot to sell cars, it would be hard for them to make any money...

Also, what is up with waiting until 30 weeks to buy anything for the baby? Was this for filming purposes? During my first pregnancy, I was so excited to do baby shopping I had at least bought a car seat and a bouncy seat by that point. Not to mention, some clothes!

Liv's Mommy said...

To clarify I don't think Anna was tricked into filming but I think maybe Dr. Sarver didn't want to take those risks with this being her first pregnancy. They didn't film her ultrasound either from what I can remember. Like I said I'm glad everything went well. I am happy for them and I did enjoy seeing the birth. She did great they all did.
As far as comments regarding Michelle's explanation of how God gave her girls first to help with the little baoys and so on. I would imagine that she is also thinking that God is gearing her up for the end of her reproductive time by giving her a slew of girls here at the end to help them through old age as well. God does work in mysterious ways!
Just for the record I love this show and sometimes wish I could be so trusting of my life solely in the hands of the lord, but I feel that God made me to think about things like consequences of having more children than I can house or afford as well. So I may not be quiverful but I am grateful that I am able to make these decisions based on me and my husband's capabilites. We have one baby now that will 1 next month and there have been a few time where I thought I was pregnant again and I was scared but keep trying to tell myself the same thing that Josh said - God will only give what we can handle. I would love to have more children some day but won't until we have a bigger house etc. No room for one more here.

Snap! said...

I also thought it was an interesting comment about God giving them lots of girls first to help with all the little boys. Michelle will always have daughters around to help her- Jessa is 16, Jinger in 15 and Joy is 11. She will have them at home for a long time. By the time they are grown- 10 years for Joy- The little girls will be 14, 12 and 10- a new batch of helpers!
I'm sure by 10 they can do alot to help Michelle around the house.
The boys seem to all have chores at home also- just not cooking or laundry related.
As the children grow and Michelle stops having babies the daily load of housework will lessen also. I bet the little girls will have less work then the older girls have had.

Leeroy said...

I don't believe they originally planned on having a home birth- their Dr. was out of town when she went into labor and didnt feel comfortable with another Dr. so they asked the midwife if she could do it...

Anonymous said...

SuzanneDeAz,

I also heard one of the kids describing what the word they use for chores (my mind just went blank) means. One "chore" included cleaning Mom and Dad's room.

I grew up in a town that had a family the size of the Duggars. In fact, I dated the oldest boy. The Mom sat in a lounge chair in the yard while the kids ran the house. I have to say, it was a very well organized and happy house. There was less chaos than in homes with 2 kids.

Anonymous said...

It does seem chaotic in the Duggar home lately. Some chaos is fine, but the kids seem really undisciplined and unruly. I don't know what Michelle would do without her older daughters, and if the oldest four are all married off by the time they are 20, it means that in four years, she only has JoyAnna to help her do all the childcare, laundry, housework, food prep, packing etc.

This is why I do wonder whether the older girls will be courting and marrying anytime soon. Jana, at almost 20, is marriagable age, by Duggar standards. So is Jill (who does seem a little slow to me too). Could Jim Bob and Michelle let two of the girls go, and all the rest of the work to the other two girls?

Snap! said...

They call chores- their jurisdiction.

pumpkin said...

Regarding the used-car lot, I recently visited the Champion Motor Cars website (http://www.championnwa.com/index.html) and it appears that most of the used cars that they have in their inventory are pretty old, 10-15 year old used cars aren't that high on most people's wish lists, especially ones that have well over 100,000 miles on them. I can't imagine that there is a tremendous market for a 1994 Mercury Tracer with 137,000 miles on it, but what do I know?

I hate to be a dream-crusher, but I really hope that Josh and Anna have a back-up plan, or at the very least, a hefty paycheck from TLC, otherwise they are going to find the "debt free" lifestyle of their parents' well out of their reach.

Most of the cars on the car lot are in the $2-3,000 range. With overhead and bills and everything, they can't turn much of a profit with those kinds of prices, even if they do sell 6-10 cars a month. And they definitely shouldn't be jaunting off around the country in the family bus for months at a time!

I defintely don't mean to criticize them, I believe that they will be good parents to little Mackynzie, but I am just worried about what will happen to them if they lose their business and have other unanticipated expenses that come along with a baby, especially if one of them becomes sick or injured.

Anonymous said...

"What Michelle said is that God knew she would need help with so many boys so He gave her girls first to help out with the boys."

and

"I would imagine that she is also thinking that God is gearing her up for the end of her reproductive time by giving her a slew of girls here at the end to help them through old age as well."

This makes absolutely no sense to me. Does that mean that only girls can help with housework/childcare? How ridiculous! I know many men, including my father, who absolutely adore babies and children, and could spend hours and days on end playing with, loving on, and teaching little ones. Furthermore, I think it's important for young men to spend time with kids when they have the opportunity because most young men will go on to be fathers someday. The same goes for men and housework. My husband can and does cook and clean ("women's work") while I can and do garden and mow the yard ("men's work).

The same goes for aging parents. I firmly believe that children should care for their aging parents. ALL children. Why would this be the "girls' job"? If a man's parents loved and cared for him as a child, he should in return love and care for them as they age. My father, who is the only boy in his family, has cared for his aging parents on a daily basis for years and does an amazing job. I consider myself to be quite traditional, even old-fashioned, but I can't help but view such comments as quite sexist.

-Brittany

Swissmiss said...

I have sometimes read an Amish newspaper and when they announce a family has a new baby girl, they will say they have a new dishwasher.

I can't recall what they say if the new child is a boy!

I had looked at the web site of the car place several months ago, and some parts of the web site were under construction. I just checked, and they are STILL under construction.

And I marveled the first time - and now again - that they are only open 10 to 6 Monday through Friday.

Just how many people have the time to go car shopping during that limited period? Maybe things are different out there, but here in a big metro area, they wouldn't attract many customers with such limited customer service.

Snap! said...

It is unfair to say one of the girls is slow. I have heard this about one of the older boys also. They are reserved- not outgoing. I have a nephew who has some developmental delays- and a friend whose daughter was tested to have some delays. If you had cameras in their homes- you would say- Oh I see what a delay looks like. If a few of the Duggar kids were 'slow'- their behavior would stick out. They would not be able to cope with all daily pressures and accommodations would have to be made for them. The Duggar children just have outgoing or reserved personalities- something you often see in large families.

Anonymous said...

Now the real work begins for Josh and Anna! Hopefully Josh can handle very little sleep knowing how he does not like to wake up early. If Michelle was at the birth of Anna's baby, I wonder how she would feel if Anna was at the birth of her baby?

Good for the Gander said...

Pumpkin,

I think the used car lot is just a story line for the show. That's my personal opinion, but as someone else said, you can't run a business as haphazardly as Josh seems to run his. My jaw dropped when he handed the keys to Anna to show the car the other day.

Good for the Gander said...

Thanks, Snap, I couldn't think of that, either.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

"Also, what is up with waiting until 30 weeks to buy anything for the baby? Was this for filming purposes? During my first pregnancy, I was so excited to do baby shopping I had at least bought a car seat and a bouncy seat by that point. Not to mention, some clothes! "

How do you know they have not purchased anything for the baby before the huge consignment sale? I am sure they knew about this sale and just waited to buy most of the needed items at that time as they would have a rather large selection of used items. Nothing negative about that.

Harriet said...

They showed Anna buying some baby clothes several episodes ago.

Wentra said...

I really like the Duggars. However, I think they chose not to have the baby in the hospital because the regular doctor-who had no problem with the check-ups being filmed -was out of town and the on-call doctor may not have permitted the camera crew to be there. Thus, they took a chance on the home birth in order to allow uninhibited filming. This new generation of Duggars may not be as careful and well-to-do as the Jim Bob and Michelle. So, there could be some potential for more careless exploitation of their little family. I hope they get some good advise and guidance from the founding Duggars.

Mrs P said...

When it's a boy the amish say they have another 'wood chopper'.

I can't believe anyone truly thinks someone is 'slow' b/c they are frightened of the dentist! Especially of oral surgery!!

I am terrified of the dentist myself and I've seen big strapping 6 ft 200 lb men freak out about the dentist. It's a very common phobia, and having it does not make anyone 'slow'.

Being a calm quiet person(like Jill and John David seem to be) rather than being outgoing(like Cousin Amy, Jessa and jinger seem to be) does not make one slow either. It simply means that each one as their own personality.

I;ve said it before and I'll say it again: in some people's eyes, the Duggars are wrong no matter what they do.

Oh, and I know *many* people who have sent their children to the ALERT Training at ATI and the do shave their heads there. It has nothing to do with punishment.

Mrs P

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know what happened with Amy and her boyfriend Mike Haney? My friend is friends with Amy on Facebook and said they are no longer dating and apparently aren't even friends on there anymore. Just curious if anybody knows anything. Thanks!
-Adrienne

pumpkin said...

I totally missed that the carlot is only open 10-6 M-F. You're right, it says so right on the home page. That is nuts. Even if I lived in their town and wanted to buy a car there, I couldn't, because I would be at work. I can't believe they aren't open on Saturdays! (Or maybe they are and the website is wrong? Does anybody live locally that can verify?)

Anyway, I really hope that they do something quickly to get some extra money or maybe take some classes to learn some new skills... the money from TLC won't be coming in forever.

Midwest Mom said...

Given yesterday's news that TLC is suing Jon Gosselin for breach of contract, I hope the Duggars have not gotten in over their heads with TLC.

The Gosselin lawsuit sheds a lot of light on why Anna giving birth was shown on national television. I bet she was under contract to do so.

Yikes, selling the most personal moment between a husband and wife, i.e. the birth of your child, all for the Almighty Dollar.

Count me proudly among those who think the Duggars can do nothing right.

Anonymous said...

What I wonder is this, did Anna have a choice in doing a Bradley birth, or did Josh persuade her to do that because that's what his mom does? It seems to me that Anna's identity has been subsummed by the Duggar machine. I don't think I'd want my labor/delivery to be televisied, but honestly, when you are in the middle of it, you do not care one way or the other. I wonder as well, there is Josh on camera the day of the birth talking about how they wanted a homebirth. Shouldn't that be decided before hand? All my friends who have done homebirths have decided before hand to do this, not the day of.

Anonymous said...

I have a question about the car lot - in the early espisodes before Anna & Josh were married - I thought it was Josh & John David's business?? Did he kick JD to the curb when he got married?

Ellie said...

I agree that Anna's family should have been there, but it may not have been possible. Michelle and Jill arrived from Texas 20 minutes before the birth, and Texas is a lot closer to Arkansas than Florida is. I think that they could have done better planning though. She was in the last few weeks of her pregnancy, so her parents and the Duggars should have been in town if they wanted to witness it.

I also agree about the birth scene. I know that it's been Michelle's thing to have the last 4 Duggar births on national television, but I dont think she should have forced that on Anna. Plus, who really wants to watch that part anyways? I fast forwarded through all of the birth scene. It's just not something that should be filmed in my opinion. Allow the cameras in after everyone is cleaned up and comfortable.

And as far as Mckynzie being exploited, I think that Josh is going to do everything in his power to keep her on television as much as possible. He's already talking with TLC about getting his own show, and you know that he's going to push for "at home with the grandduggar, new parenting tips and tricks by Josh Duggar."

And why does Josh feel the need to always be in the spotlight. He's very controlling in that regard. Anna very rarely gets anything to say because he constantly speaks for her. That's not a healthy relationship. Even his parents dont have that kind of ideologies, so I'm not sure where that came from. Hopefully, he will learn to back off and allow her to have her moments.

And I really hope that he doesnt turn her into a baby factory. She seems very content with the idea of only having 2 or 3 children, but he makes it no secret that he doesnt want to stop there. I think he needs to learn that unless he's the one giving birth, he has no right to decide how many children they're going to have.

Snap! said...

I think Jon David was helping out at the car lot when Josh was getting engaged and married. I don't think he was ever a partner with Josh.

MomOfThree said...

Gayle said...

I was disappointed to hear Josh say 'I can't believe people actually get up this early' at 7:30!

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There are high school students in my neighborhood who are not only awake but ON THE SCHOOL BUS headed to class at this time of the morning.

No wonder his car lot business doesn't open til 10 am.

Melissa said...

I have a question about the car lot - in the early espisodes before Anna & Josh were married - I thought it was Josh & John David's business?? Did he kick JD to the curb when he got married?

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This might sound odd, but for JD's sake, I sure hope so. He's such a bright kid, big dreams of being a pilot. Maybe he can convince JB that this was the will of God, and he's meant to learn to fly.

MomOfThree said...

SuzanneDeAZ said...
Also some of their cars I have seen in the past look nice so you can not say that he only sells cars that are not so "nice" in your eyes.

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The cars we see Josh driving for his own personal use always seem to be the nicer ones on his lot. He even made a comment to that effect in (I think) the episode when he and Anna "double-dated" with Amy and her boyfriend.

One of the funniest comments about one of his cars was when the Bates' family was visiting and everyone went to the amusement park and Dixie Stampede. Josh had some pimped up, tricked out vehicle that one of the Bates' sons said must have been previously owned by someone who (direct quote here) "sold pharmaceuticals illegally". LOL.

I don't know, maybe, he is trying to impress viewers or potential customers by showing off his "nicer" vehicles, while leaving those less desirable on the seldom shown car lot.

The limo is puzzling, though. Unless he is now in the chauffeuring business, I really don't understand why he wanted/needed one. I can't imagine that he thinks he can re-sell it, as I doubt there is much call for stretch limousines in Arkansas. He could have just as easily borrowed his parents van or smaller bus (if they still have it) and transported Anna's mom and sister from the airport in that. Seems like Josh likes to show off a bit....

Leslie said...

I agree with Becca. Every woman's birth is different. Just because some people don't want their mother in laws at delivery doesn't mean that Anna didn't want Michelle there. In fact, because Anna has commented on how much respect she has for Mrs. Duggar, it's possible that they have the type of close relationship in which she was a welcome part of the experience.

In addition, it is safe to assume that Anna did want her own mother there. However, there may have been financial, timing, etc. reasons that prevented her from being there. And as helpful as the Duggars are to other families like the Bates, giving the gift of an airline flight (especially with such a rush to get back to Arkansas) may not have been feasible or in the comfort zone of the Duggars. Hence, since Michelle and Jill could come, Anna may have been grateful to have a motherly person there for extra moral support!

And I will agree that it does seem odd that the cameras were let in. However, Michelle has had previous births taped. I believe that in some instances the daughters have previously done some of the taping but not always. Hence, I assume that she had worked out a system with the cameramen to ensure her privacy. Maybe some similar guidelines were put in place with Anna's delivery. Because the cameramen have been called "like family" by Josh, this may not have been as uncomfortable as it is assumed to be. (However, cramming Anna, the doula, Josh and the cameramen into that tiny bathroom must have been a tight fit!)

Congratulations to Josh, Anna, and Mackynzie. I hope their lives are as happy as they wished it would be!

MomOfThree said...

Snap! said...

I think Jon David was helping out at the car lot when Josh was getting engaged and married. I don't think he was ever a partner with Josh.

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No, I know for certain that the brothers were partners in the used car business. I can't recall off hand where I heard it...the show, the book, the website???...but I do know it was stated somewhere.

And I agree with poster "Melissa"...I do hope that John finds the courage to follow his heart and dreams and become the person that he is meant to be. I sincerely wish him all the best.

Leslie said...

Anonymous said...

There is nothing IMMODEST about childbirth.
Airing it on national television for the sake of money is what’s disgusting.

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Although I'm sure the money is an incentive, is it really all about the money? I'm going to try to think highly of this couple. Is it possible that they really do think people care about them and their family and want to be a part of their experiences as much as possible?

I will say though that in their book Jim Bob and Michelle say that they were told that in their first year of marriage they should not have a tv, pets, or children. Yet Josh and Anna mentioned that they had been trying to get pregnant for awhile until they were finally able to conceive just six months after their marriage.

Anna is 21. What was her rush? She has plenty of childbearing years ahead of her. If she and Josh truly wanted to have children right away and not follow his parent's example, then so be it. However, I hope she does not have the same regret about not making use of time that she could have spent strengthening her marriage as Jim Bob and Michelle did. I also hope that in a relationship that has already drawn criticism that the baby was not conceived to try and make the marriage better.

Marybeth said...

John David does work with Josh at the car lot but seems to have branched out to the towing business more. He has also said he wants to do construction. Josh also has a political consulting business. One thing you need to remember about Josh and Anna is that he has several years of experience being on camera and Anna has none, so while it may seem that he's "speaking for her" it really is just giving her a chance to get used to being on camera more. Also, this isn't the "Josh and Anna" show it's about the Duggar family so not seeing all of her doctor appointments isn't all that much of a surprise. As for Jill and John-David being "slow" I just thing they have different personalities. When you see the different family members showcased one after the other the quieter ones then seem "slow" especially after you've just seem Josiah...anyone would seem slow after Josiah!

Anonymous said...

Jill is not quiet at all! She talks constantly on the show, so gives the viewers a good look at her personality and intellect!

winsomeone said...

"There are high school students in my neighborhood who are not only awake but ON THE SCHOOL BUS headed to class at this time of the morning."

Where I live, junior high, high school, and private schools all start at 7:30. Then the buses are back out collecting the younger kids for a 9:00 start time.

Anonymous said...

John David mentioned he wanted to start his own tow trucking business.

I really feel for him, he seems to be the total opposite of Josh. Which is a good thing. But he seems to hate the spotlight.

Anonymous said...

Anna's doctor was out of town and she didn't feel comfortable having another doctor so they decided at the last minute to have the baby at home. That is what I saw on the show anyway. Deciding at the last minute seems a bit risky to me. It looked like it went along OK so that's good.

go away gosselins said...

My husband insulted everyone in my family and his, because he thought it was his job to protect my modesty during childbirth; since when one does natural childbirth, you are out of your mind, and unable to consent nor do you care, who is in the room!

After seeing this episode, with the young modest Anna exposed to cameramen and family members....I hugged my husband's neck!

They can't show their legs in a bathing suit, but childbirth is okay? Come on!

go away gosselins said...

I guess we should all just be thankful that they did not film the conception...

Anonymous said...

Did the doula deliver the baby? Was there also a midwife (but not seen on film) present? Doulas aren't qualified to do deliveries. Seems strange that a midwife would agree to do the delivery with just a few hours notice. (They made it seem as though the decision to have the baby at home was made that day.)

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Anonymous said...

JD is the smart one. By the looks of Josh's inventory, it's a sure thing he'll be working non-stop.

msrylee said...

go away gosselins, I fully agree with you that at least the conception of Anna and Josh's baby wasn't filmed. Hopefully TLC won't have another episode idea......LOL

Anonymous said...

The Bradley Method is also know as "husband-coached childbirth" - so it falls in perfectly with the patriarchal model - husband leads and wife submits - the Duggars embrace, so, in the end and in his mind, it's all Josh's call and his achievement.

A doula is a birth facilitator/attendant and not a midwife. It is not clear whether a midwife was present, the only odd person we saw Miss Becky (their Bradley instructor) who came over and got to work preparing the room.

Why would they need a midwife when they have Josh (I'm not catchin' it) Duggar to take charge? I'm just thankful the baby came during daylight hours when J was somewhat awake and able to work the phone.

octavia said...

Swissmiss said...

And I marveled the first time - and now again - that they are only open 10 to 6 Monday through Friday.

Just how many people have the time to go car shopping during that limited period? Maybe things are different out there, but here in a big metro area, they wouldn't attract many customers with such limited customer service.

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I live in a very rural area, and I thought the hours for their car lot were odd, too. And if we're to believe what we see on TV, the clock on their wall read 10:00 am and Josh and Anna had JUST begun to eat breakfast and study the Bible, before they left for the car lot. Then they closed early for Anna's appointment. No wonder he's not selling anything, he's never actually there!

As for the home birth, they certainly made it seem like they made a last-minute decision. But think about it. Where TLC is involved, nothing is unscripted. I have the feeling that they sat down with Josh and Anna, telling them they'd pay them a certain amount of $$$$ to allow them to film the home birth. Since they're struggling at the car lot, I'm sure they snapped the offer right up. I'm surprised by their decision, being as they wouldn't even allow Anna's stomach to be shown during an ultrasound, but to each his own.

gotsomewheelsnow said...

Remember there was the 35 or so day road trip in the summer. Maybe Josh felt he had to exploit his wife and new baby to regain some of the money he lost by being closed for so long.

Actually, he probably will make a lot more that way than he would have selling his used cars.

Jess2 said...

I was so excited to see this episode that I DVR'd it. When I went back and watched it again, I was not convinced that the camera crew was even there for the birth. I mean, what is shown is pretty much cut and spliced. We see Anna in a robe in the tub, then lying down in the position that has so many people up in arms (which I think is so not a big deal) with towels over her legs so that all you see are her ankles. She gives a few groans. Then suddenly, the baby is handed to her. Given the footage on other TLC shows, this really seems to indicate that the camera men weren't in the room when she gave birth. Just a thought.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone catch the people magazine article this month? Ana is already talking about the next one...

Anonymous said...

To me the big deal with the birth is that for a family that wears dresses to the floor and modestwear bathingsuits, having Anna with her legs in the air groaning and grunting just wasn't modest. I think there were camera men in there because you could see Josh, Michelle, the doula and Jill. So that leaves the cameramen doing the filming.

TLC is lucky nothing happened to Anna. If they really pushed the homebirth (and Josh foolishly accepted, for financial reasons) and something had happened, they could be liable for damages.

The birth video upset me for both reasons--the lack of modesty and the sellout to TLC, which could have been dangerous to mother and baby,

Anonymous said...

I think we are already seeing signs of their lifestyles changing due to filming. To allow a very private birth to become entertainment for complete strangers. Their modesty is changing. All for money. I was hoping they wouldn't let money change their convictions, but it seems it has. Everyone says it won't happen to them, but it has.
Too bad this is what I really admired them for.

Gayle said...

They will say Nike so the boys won't see bare shoulders. But Anna's legs are hiked up to the ceiling for the world to see. A tad hypecritical if you ask me. They are becoming just like the world they have critisized.

msrylee said...

I also wondered if there was a midwife present to assist "Dr" Josh with the delivery. I live in Ontario Canada and if a home-birth takes place, two mid-wives are required to attend. If the second mid-wife doesn't arrive prior to the delivery, 911 needs to be called and paramedics assist. I'm obviously not aware if there are state laws regulating home-births in AK or any other state. Anyone know?

jonandkatewho? said...

I just wish they hadn't sunk this low. I wish they had let that baby be born in privacy with only the family there, not the camera crew.

Anonymous said...

Hey all,

AK is Alaska. AR is Arkansas. Just a pet peeve:-)

AutumnBride08 said...

CONGRATS to Josh and Anna...great wonderful news. I am a recent Duggar fan and hadn't seen some of the previous footage of them actually becoming pregnant. I admire the Duggars for instilling Christian values into their children, but I was really disturbed at how Josh and Anna described consistently being so disappointed about not getting pregnant quick enough. It seemed that she wanted a baby the first time they had sex. This really disturbed me because it seems they needed their marriage validated by having a baby? My husband and I have been married for a year and we dated 3 years prior. We didn't live together and I feel like I am STILL learning things about him. Thank goodness we are not pregnant yet because I still think it's way too soon.

Kat said...

1 - Makynzie is shown NAKED at birth. Not that I think there is anything wrong with that, but given the Duggars' constant explanation of just how modest they are, a bit surprising and hypocritical that they permitted that part to air. After all, the age of a child shouldn't matter. A naked thigh is a naked thigh, right, JimBob? Unless it's a naked thigh you are getting paid a hefty sum to display on national television.

2 - Josh has (and has had for several years) income from TLC. Before his marriage, he was living at home with no expenses. He was given a house with no mortgage, and I'm sure local companies were delighted to provide furniture, renovation materials, etc. Also, Premiere Productions (his film company) filmed the birth, and were no doubt paid quite well for that. I doubt very seriously he worries much about how many cars he sells. The car lot is a TLC/JimBob front to show what an industrious, dedicated provider Josh is.

3 - Anna has been trained by her father to be a submissive partner. If Josh tells her to jump, her response will be "How high?" Josh seems to be having a great time being the "man of the house."

4 - I'm thinking Josh and Anna are having a little bit of fun not being "kids" any more, and not having to confess all their sins and impure thoughts to mom and dad in their weekly meetings. Must be quite a sense of freedom and exhilaration after 20 years of house arrest.

5 - Anna's "teaching" certification doesn't sound like anything she could use to get employment as a teacher, unless it was at a private religious organization. I'm guessing it is not an actual 4-yr accredited degree.