Tues, October 20, Old McDuggar Had a Farm

Oklahoma is the place to be -- at least for the Duggars! The family takes a trip to the state where the wind comes sweepin' down the plain to see what life is like on a working farm.

30 minutes

99 comments:

pogo said...

Gee, I wonder if, in the late spring, the Duggars will plant a garden, get some cows(for milk), chickens. During the whole time they have done the show, I can only recall a mention from a guy who lived in the city(when they lived at one of their houses) and wanted a garden and was suppose to show the Duggars how to have one, so he could have one, but I have never heard anything more on it? Though I am supprised that they don't have one or do they? Anyone?

winsomeone said...

What a shame that Arkansas doesn't have any working farms they could visit. Remind you of another family we know?

Anonymous said...

"Remind you of another family we know?"

Why yes, yes it does. I wonder if the Duggars are going to take over for the Gosselins in the perks and trips department, now that Jon & Kate Plus 8 is dunzo?

I liked 18 Kids and Counting better when they stayed home and just lived their everyday lives.
Now we've got road trips, special perks, Josh and his overinflated ego, and Michelle shopping at Kleinfeld's for the most HIDEOUS wedding dress ever!

pumkin said...

I hope they don't feed the animals bagels like they did at the Safari park.

Otherwise, I am excited about this episode. I'm originally from Oklahoma and although I live elsewhere now, I enjoy watching anything that involves my home state.

grace said...

The Duggars live in Northwest Arkansas (as do I). Oklahoma is only a 45 minute drive from where the Duggars live. Granted, I don't know exactly where in Oklahoma they went, so I don't know how long it took to drive there. I'm just saying.. It's not a huge trip or expense to drive to Oklahoma from where we live! I wouldn't compare them to the Gosselins (at least in this circumstance)

Anonymous said...

I don't think the show will continue much longer. Most people are bored of the Duggars and their trips and perks. Of course, Josh cannot make a living selling junkers, so he will continue to try to get a show of his own, and sell off his wife's privacy in childbirth, his new baby's comfort, etc. because he doesn't have the skills to do anything lucrative.

I don't care about Oklahoma farms. I agree that the Duggars should plant a garden and get a cow or two. They sure have the room for it, and it would be much less wasteful and more healthy!! If they read this site I hope they will take that hint!

What's Good for the Gander said...

7:21 / 11:48

The Duggars have visited a "working farm". Odd how this family and the others aren't crucified like the Gosselins have been on outings to make story lines interesting. They already get perks and have product placements, but they're not held up to the same standard. Reality TV is entertainment--it always amazes me that people are surprised that things are staged to make interesting shows.

I, personally, don't believe it hurts the children until the adults start having problems.

There should, however, be one standard for all. If one show is shut down because children are filmed, all of them should be shut down. JMO

What's Good for the Gander said...

Oops, pumpkin, you're right. It was Safari, not a farm. Odd how all these places are void of other guests when the TV families arrive. JimBob explained that they were "working" at Safari.

Emiku said...

The stop in Oklahoma might have been along the way to whatever it was they were in Texas for recently (when Michelle & Jill flew back home for the baby's birth).

I agree with Anonymous @ 11:48 AM - I liked it better watching the Duggars at home, not making tons of road trips & getting freebies.

Anonymous said...

I agree that there should be one standard, and I also think there are child work laws for a reason. Personally, I don't think any children should be exploited on national television, and that includes the Gosselins, the Toddler and Tiara girls and the Duggars. It is all exploitation, dangerous for their privacy, and inappropriate, since they haven't made the decision themselves. If parents want to sell out their privacy, go for it, since they are adults. But someone needs to protect all these kids, and it certainly doesn't appear that TLC is eager to do it.

nccalgal said...

TLC has to get signed waivers from anyone whose definable "image" they capture during the filming of these episodes, that is why they usually do the filming on days when the places are closed or before they open to the public. There have been times when it's apparent that other visitors are present such as when they and the Bates family went to the amusement park in Branson. Other than the Dollywood episodes, most of the locales that the Duggars have visited are small operations that don't cost an arm and leg for the average family to visit.
I do think occasional specials or maybe a month-long (4 weekly episodes) series that updated the various TLC families would generate more interest than all these "manufactured" episodes. If anyone has watched the new "season" of LPBW, they're alluding to Matt and Amy having marital problems and the ads for the Little Couple the drama of whether to have a baby; it's all to generate ratings.

Anonymous said...

What kind of "reality" is it, when TLC is scripting the episodes?

TEXASmom said...

In one of the previous posts, someone mentioned that Josh also has a political consulting business. I couldn't find the post again and am interested in learning if that is true. Can anyone help answer?

Jan said...

I found the below statement on Josh & Anna's website.
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Meet Josh - Josh was raised in Arkansas, the first child born to Jim Bob & Michelle Duggar. He accepted Christ at the age of seven, was homeschooled and graduated from High School at the age of sixteen. His father entered politics in Arkansas in 1998, serving two terms as a State Legislator in the Arkansas House of Representatives. Josh was intrigued with politics at an early age and now does part-time consulting for elected officials and political candidates with a small company he founded in Arkansas in 2006, Strategic Political Services.

wildflowers said...

With the Duggars I think what is interesting is the family and the family dynamics. Not the trips, perks, etc. Sadly, as they travel more (except the Bates family trip) I am losing interest in all of it. Now, if I catch an episode, great, if not, oh well. I loved the way the kids interacted and loved them being raised with such high morals. It just seems that many of the things they used to try to keep the kids away from are now part of their lives because of the show. I'm not saying I think they should be cut off from the world. It's just with all of the trips, perks and freebies I'm afraid they will get that sense of entitlement that has besieged the other reality families. I hope not, but the other families said it wouldn't change them either. The more they expose the kids to the outside forces the more rebellion they may see in them. Expecially the girls, they may want more that a husband and kids. At least as such a young age as they seem to marry.

Anonymous said...

Josh is on LinkedIn:

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/joshua-duggar/12/b05/24a

I've never looked that close, but I wonder if this Strategic Political Services or Premiere Productions are anywhere in the credits for 19 Kids. If so, then that would be a clue as to how deep they are in with TLC.

winsomeone said...

"Josh was intrigued with politics at an early age and now does part-time consulting for elected officials and political candidates with a small company he founded in Arkansas in 2006, Strategic Political Services."

Who would hire Josh..he has no political experience, and is practically uneducated. Usually people who go into that sort of thing are college educated, and work as interns for a politician at the very least?

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Having a garden is lot of work so maybe the family has passed on keeping one.

Anonymous said...

How long do the Duggars allow their childeren to have pacifiers? Jennifer seems to constantly have one and even talks around it. Isn't she almost two now?

kalyse86 said...

I just want to say that I think John David is going to make a wonderful husband to some lucky girl. Everyone always talks about him being such a hard and dedicated worker. He seems so humble and kind. A big contrast to Josh IMO who comes off as slightly arrogant and obnoxious. I've read comments about how some posters think he is 'slow' but honestly I don't get that impression. He just seems to have a 'quiet' personality and is not overbearing like Josh.

Oh and BTW, I love it anytime James is shown or interviewed. He has the weirdest and silliest facial expressions. It's too cute!

Anonymous said...

That pacifier bugs me. Fortunately my kids never used one and were not thumb suckers. I understand the need for them occassionally but that little girl never had it out of her mouth.

Anonymous said...

I don't think anyone at all would hire Josh for much of anything. Lacking an education is a big minus, and I don't know what other skills he brings to the table. His used car lot is full of dusty, dirty old cars, and he isn't open except from 10-6, when most people who are his market clientele are working themselves. What about the weekends, evenings, early mornings (oh, he can't get up).

If Josh wants to further his career, he is going to have to do something other than rely on TLC.

mamamia said...

Who cares how long they let her have a pacifier? It's a very emotional attachment for many kids. Of my 5 only one ever used one but she was very hard to break of it and it was an emotional toll not only for her but for my husband and me as well. She was almost three before we had her entirely off the binkie. Breaking kids of habits like that can be as difficult as potty training and it comes easier for some.

winsomeone said...

Oklahoma sure does have strange "working" farms.I noticed how Michelle went on and on about how she spends one on one time with all of the children, and then they had 3-4 children rant on along that same line. None of them made that much sense. Seems like TLC reads this blog too?

Anonymous said...

Does anyone else notice that we mentiton loving "Hanny" on this blog, and boom there is an episode with a bunch of footage of her. We mention alone time, and they ask about it. We talk about the younger kids being unsupervised, but maybe the older girls are there, and boom, they show one of the kids falling in interview and one of the older girls going into the shot to pick them up. I am just thinking the producers must read this blog just like they do GWOP.

nccalgal said...

Once again we see one of the Duggar kids not using eye protection while using power equipment. Jana didn't have them on when she was cutting tile and now John-David is using a chain saw with wood chips and saw dust flying everywhere and he's just squinting as if that's going to keep stuff from flying into his eyes, and I don't remember seeing any ear protection either. Anyone else would also have some kind of harness or restraint on while they were that high in that cherry picker as well. That is my biggest gripe with the Duggars and with TLC that they don't seem to see the need for basic safety equipment.

Leeann said...

That little Hannie is such a cutie! So much exuberance and personality in that little kiddo! Her time with her brother during interviews was just precious.

I was surprised that John David didn't seem to have on any glasses or goggles when he was using the chain saw on the large tree. Maybe he did and I couldn't see it. I hope so!

I love these kids and just think they are the super cute.

msrylee said...

Jennifer's pacifier really bugs me, too. My kids weren't thumb suckers or pacifier users, so I never had to deal with this issue.

Why were JB and M(sitting on his lap) in the front car of the train, and the youngest ones were with the older ones? It seems to me that each of them should have been caring for Jennifer and Johanna. The older girls were responsible for these little ones during the whole time at the farm.

pumpkin said...

I noticed that Premier Productions designed the Duggar family's website (www.duggarfamily.com) and then if you click on the Premier Productions logo, it takes you to: http://www.premierenow.com/ and then from there, you can supposedly check out the Political Consulting branch of the company at http://www.strategicpolitical.com/ but unfortunately the link is broken (at least for me).

Also, I noticed that Josh has no connections on his Linked In page. That in itself is kind of odd, don't you think?

(On a side note, I wonder if Premier Productions is producing Cousin Amy's music?)

Anonymous said...

As far as I am concerned, the Duggars are geniuses. They have done such a good job parenting their children that each one of them are respectful, helpful, mature, responsible, and have strong values. Even the overbearing Josh turned out good when you compare him to many other 21 year olds.

I am in the middle of raising a teenage child who is turning out to be selfish, disrespectful, materialistic, disobedient, entitled, worldly, irresponsible and immature. I am now implementing some of the Duggar childraising philosophies but it might be too late for my child.

You can argue that the Duggar kids are slaves, sheltered, boring, have the pacifier too long, uneducated, brainwashed, not enjoying themselves outside the home enough, etc. But they are responsible, loving, and grounded and are prepared to succeed in the things that really matter in life. A child like that is a true blessing to the family and to society.

I think the Duggars deserve the highest praise anyone can give.

winsomeone said...

When they had the two small children being interviewed last night, the little girl picked her nose and ate it. The little boy with her was horrified..patted her back and told her to cough it up. Doesn't it seem that TLC could have edited this part out, for the children' sake?

Snap! said...

Michelle and Jim Bob do seem to give the responsibility to the girls
when it comes to the babies. It might be because the older girls enjoy it- I became an aunt at 18 and
loved taking care of my nephew.
I think the reason Jennifer has a soother in a mouth alot- is because it provides comfort for her. She seems more reserved than Johanna. I think after 2 yrs old it should be kept for naptime or bedtime.
Jennifer turned 2 in August- so when this episode was filmed she was probably still a one year old.
I agree that Johanna picking her nose should have been edited out- but how cute were those two!!

Jan said...

I love Johannah also but TLC could have edited out her nose scene. That was just too much for me.

Anonymous said...

The many safety violations (or at least safety and health risks) that this family has worry me. Whether it is never using safety equipment (harnesses, goggles, etc), climbing all over everything ( including Michelle on the chair), pushing buses while holding a nursing infant, climbing out the roof of a house under construction---they just seem very fortunate that nothing horrible has ever happened.

They are also fortunate that no one is obese, considering their high fat, processed food diet.

Good luck doesn't last forever though.

Anonymous said...

After a certain age, pacifiers are known to wreak havoc on the dental health of a young child. Luckily the kids in our family never took to them & spit them out. It will only get harder to take it away as the child gets older.

-Katydid

Anonymous said...

This is unrelated to the current episode, but did Cousin Amy go to college? It just occured to me that she's in her twenties and living at home (at least from what I understand). Other than singing, we haven't heard what she's done after high school. Just curious!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 9:44, I don't know if you misspoke, but wordly is a GOOD quality.

Anonymous said...

of course TLC producers read this

I noticed they asked John David if any girls were on the scene... isn't that something people often post about on here? Too bad his answer was about as vague and uninformative as possible.

Also noticed that Michelle had to give a big speech about how she spends time with each kid. uh huh. Thanks, TLC, for clearing that one up.

Debi said...

I think the Duggar's already get all the perks that the Gossleins do. Do you think just ANYONE can go to Dollywood and meet Dolly Pardon?

gotsomewheelsnow said...

Looks like TLC's scraping the bottom of the barrel for episode ideas.

Jim Bob and Michelle's ever increasing PDA is not something I want to watch on TV. It looks like each of them could have taken a little one with them and given them that "one on one" time that was talked about incessantly last night instead of her sitting on his lap kissing.

The shows just aren't as good as they were when things seemed more natural and unscripted.

My3sons said...

On a previous episode one of the younger boys was messing around with a pair of crutches. When they first showed the family climbing into the train cars, it looked like there was a pair of crutches in one of the cars. Did anyone else see that and if so, one of the kids obviously had some kind of injury that they haven't mentioned. So much for their safety record. In addition to the hazards already mentioned, those two boys hanging on the basket while it was going up wasn't the smartest move either.

Beedageeda said...

Lots of complaining on this post! I think not enough can be said of John-David. He is an absolutely amazing young man who will make an admirable husband someday! It was cute when the producer asked about prospects and he gave a "no..maybe.." answer. He is NOT "slow" as some have called him, just more reserved and PRIVATE which is great considering how public the family has gotten. I think it shows how emotionally strong he is that he's able to have those giddy feelings sometimes, but is also mostly a private guy. (But please, Sweet John, it would be very smart to protect yourself a little more whilst cutting down trees!)
I think Joseph is just like him, but Josiah on the other hand *shudder* is aspiring to be more like his eldest brother.

Snap! said...

It's funny that the camera never catches Michelle having one on one time with the kids. When does she have all these special moments with her 18 kids? I see her with the youngest and smooching Jim Bob.
She doesn't seem to interact much with them after their buddy takes over.
She refers to the kids as the older girls, the 6 little boys and the 3 little girls.
I see a future episode- one on one time with each child. Michelle and Jim Bob can take the girls out and Jim Bob can take the boys out.
Wait- TLC is not using the Gosselin formula with this family- are they??

Anonymous said...

My3sons - it wasn't crutches it was a fold up stroller.

Joanna said...

The whole farm experience looked neat. Loved the children being interviewed in pairs. James and Justin were funny and Jackson and Johanna just plain cute and adorable. The should do more interview pairings with the little ones.

Jenny in Virginia- mommy to G and I said...

I like this show. The still seem real. The still show love. They still show respect. OF course you will be able to find things that are not up to snuff, but growing up did you do stupid stuff like jumping out of a high swing, climbing stuff, riding you bike without a helmet. We all were kids, and even as adults I would wager there are some on here who have made a trip to the ER for something silly that could have been prevented.

Jenny E

winsomeone said...

And what is it that they grow on the "working farm" the Duggars visited? All I saw was a petting zoo,a train like thing, pony rides, and a merry-go-round. Do they raise animals or crops? Looked more like a small sized amusement park than a farm, to me?

Anonymous said...

Did anyone else find Michelle's comments on becoming pregnant while nursing a little odd? It seems strange to me to attribute everything to God's plan when clearly the behavior of Michelle and Jim Bob have a lot to do with getting pregnant. They have chosen not to use birth control and to continue their sex lives. It's hardly surprising that she continues to get pregnant. And I don't think that it's that unusual to get pregnant while nursing particularly once the child is older than 6 months (according to the WHO) or if feeding isn't done as often or supplemented with other foods or formula. If she starts feeding her children solids and it looks like Jordyn is eating solids, then breast feeding is no longer protective. I just think it's strange to assume that their children are all blessings from God, rather than just a product of human behavior. I can't imagine thinking that the Lord was constantly blessing me with things anymore than I would think the Lord was punishing me if things weren't going well in my life.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 2:56,

worldly: 1 : of, relating to, or devoted to this world and its pursuits rather than to religion or spiritual affairs

I didn't misspeak - worldly is not a good quality, as far as me and my family are concerned.

Anon 9:44

Anonymous said...

I really loved seeing more of the little kids being interviewed as well. They’ve done a bad job of picking only a few of them to be interviewed in the past. I’ve heard enough from Josh and Michele.
My only complaint about this episode is that the family is always saying how the little kids are supervised by the older ones. Why wasn’t there anybody keeping the kids off of the forklift? So dangerous.

Anonymous said...

I would love to hear more from Jana, sure she loves taking care of her younger siblings, but what are her plans?

I know she wants to be a midwife but what else?

Isn't she 20 or at least almost 20?

Anonymous said...

TLC, are you listening??

How about more bible time with Jim Bob, as it was shown with the younger children a few episodes back? It would be interesting to see what passages the Duggars feel are most important--I just hope they're not all from St. Paul.

Also, is it possible that Josh is making the claim that the business at the car dealership is slow so the viewers feel sympathetic for them? It just sounds too much like the Gosselin formula. Last car I bought was used and I had almost had to fight to get it because the used ones were flying off the lot!

Notice that the Saab from the wedding and the red Camaro from the engagement were placed so obviously in the shot when a pregnant Anna was showing a car.

talent with a T said...

Jana should seriously consider writing a cookbook. If anyone on that network deserves a spot in the cooking world Jana is it. THIS is who publishers should be contacting. (just be sure to include some of the lowfat stuff from WW).

Anonymous said...

The crutches were Jim Bob's. There is a blog of a family that visited the Duggars and Bates this summer. One of the pictures showed Jim Bob on crutches. Got hurt playing with the kids.

Anonymous said...

We've already seen a cookbook (or least recipes on their website) of the Duggar "goodies" like Tater Tot Casserole and the Icecream sandwich dessert. Oh, and Barbecue sauce on tuna. Or a can of tomatoes as dinner.

I think I can hold off on buying any Duggar cookbook, at least until they realize that most of us really want to eat more fresh foods and less processed stuff.

Anonymous said...

The Duggars were filming on University of Arkansas campus yesterday because apparently, one of the kids will be attending school here next year.

Anonymous said...

That is great news about one of the kids going to college!

fan of education said...

Oh, I sooo hope that one of the kids goes to college, that would be amazing!

I would be really interested to see how thorough their homeschooling really is and how the child does in an institute of higher learning, especially when exposed to more diversity and other ideas.

Diane said...

Anonymous said...
The Duggars were filming on University of Arkansas campus yesterday because apparently, one of the kids will be attending school here next year.
___________________________________
Where did you hear about this?

pumpkin said...

I hope that's true! I wonder which child it is that is going? Josh seems caught up in fatherhood and the car lot, and John David seems to be building his tow-truck business. Perhaps Jana or Jill? (Or maybe even Jessa, she will be 17 next month.)

I really hope that it is one of the girls. It would be wonderful for them to experience more than just cooking, cleaning, and taking care of their younger siblings. But honestly, I will be thrilled whomever it is, I think college is to be celebrated and encouraged!

Sbap! said...

It could be Jessa that is going to University. My son was born in 1992- the same year as Jessa and he just started University this year. She seems more adventurous then her older sisters and John David. I think Josh would have gone earlier than this if he was going to go.
A Duggar at University- yeah!!

Willow #1 said...

I love the Duggars, but obviously find little things to wonder about, of course. However, I know its just me, but I don't understand why their menu items evoke such disdain. I have made it a point to try to see what it is that is so offensive. I have noticed that just about every meal shows a vegetable or salad to go with the "processed food". Some have complained on another blog about the G family feeding their children such light fare, but over here, with many healthy, growing young kids, they are critisized for feeding them too much rib-sticking food. Just kind of odd to me. Their children seem very thin and healthy. I just don't understand why that is a big issue to some. JMO. Not to offend anyone, I am sure others may find my complaints odd. Just sayin...

chocolatebee said...

I love to see this side of John David.It was funny how he avoided the questions as to whether or not he's courting. He has really come out his shell. He seems like he is growing into his own. So is Jospeh, who is usually more reserved. It was good to see him talking and getting some camera time.He and John David are a lot alike.I think Joseph often gets lost being sandwiched in between the older girls and younger boys.

I love the little ones interviews. Johannah, who is my fav, and Justin are so cute together. Although they can be a little rough, I think all the kids really do love and get along with one another well.

Also I am pretty sure that was a stroller,not crutches,when the family was on the train.

If there is any truth to the report that one of the kids will be attending the University of Arkansas, that would be awesome.

Anonymous said...

About one of the children going to college, it won't be one of the girls, as in their beliefs and everything it is wrong for a women to go to college.
But i don't know they may have changed. It may be Josh.

Anonymous said...

I don't think it will be one of the girls either, since they are needed "at home" for complete childcare and housework. Also, it is frowned upon by their beliefs for women to be educated.

So, if this is true about one of the kids attending the U of Alabama (a big if) maybe it is John David. That would be good, since I would love to see him come out of his shell a little more and education has a way of doing that.

Somehow though, I don't see, even with all the changes the family has undergone since they gave up their morals and privacy to TLC, that Jim Bob and Michelle would allow college. But I certainly hope I am wrong. College would be wonderful for any one of those children.

Willow #1 said...

Johanna's interview was with Jackson. Justin was with James. Aren't those little ones just the cutest?

Willow #1 said...

The farm may have had the actual "farming" part in another area. ?? My guess for the University is either Jill or Jana. I have a couple of ideas why, we'll see. I think JD IS courting, but may just not want to say so officially yet as he is so shy. Boy what a cute grin he has. Who knew??

Peace and love - have an awesome day!!!!

Anonymous said...

If it is true that the family is filming on a college campus, how do we know it's because one of their children will be attending? I think the anonymous poster who originally brought this up may be jumping to conclusions. The family could be on a college campus for a number of reasons. Maybe they're speaking, maybe they're going to an event, maybe they are witnessing to college students... how do we know?
-Christina

Anonymous said...

IF one of the Duggar kids is going to college, it's probably going to be another TLC gimmick. They now want to film someone who's led a rather simple and controlled life as they head off to the big, scary university.

-Katydid

Anonymous said...

Diane said..

Where did you hear about this?

I go to school at University of Arkansas, and they were seen filming on campus. Naturally, people asked questions, and it was said that one of the kids will be going here. I did not personally jump to the conclusion that one of the Duggars would be attending school here. I was told this by other students.

Beedageeda said...

I tried to look on quiverfull websites to find an explanation of the belief that college is wrong for women. Do they really believe that? Or are we assuming that? Does anyone have that "in writing" so to speak? I'd be curious to read...
Thanks.

talent with a T said...

Gosh, I don't need a Duggar family cookbook either Anonymous 10/23/2009 9:27 AM. My point was that if anyone on the TLC network should have attention focused on them it should be Jana. She seems to quietly carry on the responsibilits of running that house with not very much credit given to her.

Snap! wondered why the camera doesn't show Michelle having much one on one with any particular child over the age of 1. I wonder that also. What is disturbing to me is that even on a one on one with a child (Jana at WW), there seemed to be little interaction with her as JB & M smooch and cuddle for the cameras. What a great opportunity that would have been for them to connect with Jana, asking her about hopes,dreams,her future, or just about how her day was . Sadly Jana just followed 10 steps behind.

M doesn't run that house, JANA does and we all know it. Give Jana some credit. If anyone on that network deserves attention it would be Jana, IMO, not JB and M, who seem too busy handing off kids and acting like teenagers.

Most 40-somethings I know are more modest than this couple. Sorry, but in public places we feel we have nothing to prove and energy is spent engaging our children in conversation and enjoying their time with us, NOT acting like 16 year old high school students.

Snap! said...

Talent with a t- you are so right-
My husband and I are in our 40s also but we rarely smooch in public!
Especially if our teens are with us- we spend the time interacting with them not putting on a show for them- look kids your parents are still hot for each other!!
The Duggars seem like a good family but what I find odd about them is how they think the outside world is so corrupt. Their kids are kept in a small bubble. If they spent a week with most of us they would be surprised how we all expect the best for our kids. I don't like the 'them and us' way of thinking.

CappuccinoLife said...

Beedageeda--the Duggars do not represent all people who hold the QF belief. To be "quiverfull" is to eschew birth control and "let God do the family planning".

The range of other beliefs QF families hold is wide and varied. But being QF does not necessarily mean that one also thinks further education is wrong, for either boys or girls. My husband and I are QF, and I know my husband would be absolutely devastated if any of his children, regardless of gender, chose not to go to college. As someone who grew up where any education at all was a sought-after and difficult to achieve privelage, he values education very highly. If we have a daughter who *wants* to skip college and get married at 18, there will be some serious fireworks in our household over that.

What the Duggar's believe exactly, I'm not sure. I wonder if that will be a question asked on the next episode. I'm very curious to hear their answer.

luvmybabies said...

I don't see how one can say Jana is running the house. She has a buddy, but so do the others. They've said in recent episodes that Jana's jurisdiction is the kitchen. That's a big job, for sure, but doesn't equate to running the house. My young teenage daughter's job is to keep the kitchen clean also, and my other daughter's job is to help with the menus and meals. They are by no means running our home by doing this. One of the other Duggar girls' jobs is the laundry, which means Jana's clothes are being washed for her. Someone else's job is the keep the bathrooms clean, which means the bathroom Jana uses is kept clean for her also.

They really are a team, like Michelle says, and I get that. That's just the way it is in large families. I don't think it benefits teens to be put on "teenage retirement.". I know many disagree with me and think the Duggar girls have way too much responsibility, but it sure doesn't look like they're any the worse off for it. They all appear content and happy. One could say this is because that's all they've ever known, but many teenagers being brought up in other environments are not so happy, and that's all they've ever known too.

I just don't think we can say Michelle doesn't run that house because she doesn't do every stitch of work herself. The mom isn't supposed to do that anyway, whether there's 2 children or 20. It isn't the mom's job to be the "slave". When everyone works together, no one is overburdened.

Anonymous said...

Jana with her parents at WW was just a sliver of their lives together. Just because they weren't talking to her right then it's a stretch to say they always interact with only each other and never their older children.

In their book they mention having frequent late night talks with their teenagers that makes them tired in the mornings.

Anonymous said...

I really hope Jana is leaving the house. She seems so sweet and it would be nice to see how she reacts to life away from her family.

and I really hope John David is courting Erin Bates and not Anna's little sister.

Perhaps that is why she has been staying with Josh and Anna for a very long time?

hope not

Renee said...

If one of the Duggar children is going to attend university you can be sure TLC will try to be a part of that in some way. With the crash and burn of Jon & Kate plus Eight, TLC will focus more attention on the Duggars. I may not always agree with everything the Duggars do but they seem like nice people. I would hate to see them end up like the Gosselins with their family in pieces all for the sake of a television show.

Anonymous said...

I don't think Quiverful opposes higher education per say; it is the Gothard ATI beliefs that do not support higher education for anyone, boys or girls. Especially away from home, where all kinds of dangerous "worldly influences" might corrupt the kids. I know I have read this on the Gothard site, but I am too lazy to go look for it right now. :)

Since the Duggars are big ATI followers, I would be absolutely shocked if they went against such an important Gothard belief and let one of the kids study something outside of the house.

But it would be GREAT to see, wouldn't it?

organizergirl said...

If the Duggars did decide to send one of their kids to college, I think they would chose a conservative Christian college over the University of Arkansas. I wonder if the sighting on U of A's campus was for something other than freshman orientation.

AmyKB said...

actually, I think that if any of the Duggar kids were going to University of Arkansas, it would be Josh. The older girls would be much more likely to do a vocational program or a Christian college. There's a chance it's John David (particularly since he's so quiet and we don't know his plans), but here's my theory...

Josh is a talker, as we all know. I bet he (and maybe TLC) swindled UArk into helping him make a better future for him and his (new) family. We'll see Anna wearing the baby while showing cars when Josh is off to classes. Or maybe JD will come and help run the car lot like a long time ago.

BoyMom said...

Does it bother anyone else that Josh drives the cars from his lot? As a customer, I don't want to see a car I'm about to buy being driven around town by the owner of the dealership. Just seems weird to me...

Midwest Mom said...

Maybe if the older Duggar girls weren't so busy being "mommies at home", they'd have time to go to college or vocational training.

aL said...

It would be cool if John David and Erin Bates ended up in courtship, though I do hope Erin gets any opportunity she may want for her piano skills. I know she was offered a full-ride scholarship to study it at university, though I don't think Mr. Bates would be okay with that.

Snap! said...

Boymom- I don't think it's weird.
Josh owns all those cars. He probably has fleet insurance for all of them- so he alternates which one he will drive. I've had a new car offered to me at a dealership once that had mileage on it because one of the salesman had used it for a few months.
(I didn't buy it!)

Anonymous said...

You know, I also do find it weird that Josh drives those cars. It really does bother me, but when I think about it, I don't know why, because those cars are already used. He does own them, so it's the same as someone driving their own car around before deciding to sell it. Also, I would much rather see Jana hook up with Zach Bates than I would JD and Erin.
-Summer

Anonymous said...

Maybe driving the cars around town is free advertising? BTW, have we EVER seen him close a sale on one his cars?

-Katydid

Enenra MacCutcheon said...

If it's true that one of the Duggars is considering attending the University of Arkansas, maybe it's Jessa. She's about to turn 17 and I think that she's the next child to graduate from homeschool, if she hasn't already.

I checked Google maps and the University of Arkansas is only 14 miles from Tontitown. She could live at home and commute to school. And if she only took classes part time, she could pay as she's goes and not take on any debt. I think Jim Bob and Michelle might allow it if she lived at home and didn't take on debt. Though I suppose they wouldn't approve of certain classes, like anything that mentioned evolution.

On the vow renewal episode, Michelle talked a lot about how Jessa has always had a mind of her own and been very stubborn. Maybe part of the reason she said those things is because Jessa is pushing to go to college. I would love to see Jessa attend the University of Arkansas!

Anonymous said...

Every used car salesman I've ever known drove a car from the lot, trading cars frequently. And yes, they did use it for advertising.

Mrs P

Anonymous said...

I honestly do not think Jessa will be allowed to go to the U of Arkansas because there might be BOYS there, and think of the possibilities! They'd have to send a chaperone, just to make sure she doesn't walk around campus with a member of the opposite sex! Also, 14 miles is a long way for a guy like Jim Bob to allow his daughter to go alone (they barely leave the house, and I don't think ever go anywhere alone).

Frankly, the college thing seems like a TLC publicity stunt, and I agree with whomever thought it was Josh's way to get TLC to continue funding his family life, because I too have never seen him sell one of those old dusty cars.

n/a said...

I looked up Gothard ATI and found a little bit about why college is considered a bad idea:

"Parents often fail to understand that when they send a son or daughter off to a college, they are releasing them to a threefold discipleship program: the lifestyles of their classmates, the philosophies of their teachers, and the presuppositions of their textbooks.

"Parents should ask, 'Will the discipleship at the college we have chosen reinforce the Biblical standards and truths that we have spent years teaching our sons and daughters?'"

http://iblp.org/iblp/news/2009/10/001/

lara said...

I've wondered too, why don't the Duggars have a garden? You would think that someone as practical & 'thrifty' as JB Duggar, a garden would be a 'no-brainer'- afterall they certainly have enough mouths to feed. It would get the kids outta the house, give them responsiblity & above all WORK OFF SOME OF THAT ENERGY! (That's not even touching on the 'healthy aspect' or the 'cost savings') I don't care how 'serene' & relaxed Michelle is- all those little kids under foot & yelling, screaming, running in the house has to get on your nerves at some point! Do the little kids take naps? Babies need sleep & how do you sleep with all that noise! OOPS sorry, got off track.....IMO, a garden would be a 'win/win' for both the parents & the kids. Fresh veggies are better/healthier than canned veggies any day.....I can't believe they havent thought of it themselves

trust and have faith said...

Parents of college aged students need to trust and have faith in the values they have instilled in their children. You've had 18 years to set an example. Unless you have some sort of fear about the job you've done as a parent, why wouldn't you trust your newly adult children to make the right choices?

Willow #1 said...

If nothing else, the young married couples could opt to go to college, maybe even together. They could make their own choice to do so. But, wait, they have to have kids ASAP -- so again, they have to toe the line. If they take too long to decide, or make a plan of their own, they already have 3 or 4kids and it is not as easy. JMHO, but I think it has a lot to do with control.

Willow #1 said...

Sorry, I meant "tow" the line, of course.!!!

Kat said...

Willow #1 - You were right the first time. The expression is "toe the line."

Lara - The Duggars did (sort of) have a garden 1 or 2 seasons ago. As I recall, they only raised a few things (tomatoes, green beans?). While you would think it would be a great activity for the kids, especially the younger ones, the family seemed *very* uninterested in the whole thing.

If they do allow one of the children to attend college, I would definitely expect that child to continue living at home, and I'm sure there will be many discussions over course content. I would guess that it would be one of the girls, because a) two have mentioned wanting to become midwives, which requires certain state-mandated training and certification, and b) they have the "time" to go to college, since they do not have to begin establishing an income so they can support a family. I remember very early on Josh saying he was interested in law school. However, when you cannot even kiss a girl without being married to her, it is very hard for any young man to say "I'll put off all of that for 7 years or so, until I complete my schooling and start a law practice."

Speaking of Josh, Premiere Productions provided the film crew that filmed Anna's labor. If you watch the credits carefully, I wouldn't be surprised to see Premiere Productions start showing up on the show's credits. Just like making JimBob or Matt Roloff a "producer," it's another way to funnel more money to the family without actually paying them a larger "salary." Nothing wrong with it - everyone does it. I don't think Josh has to lie awake at night worrying about how many cars he sells. LOL...

As for John-David, it seemed almost a given that there was more of a reason he stayed behind at the Bates' house than just to help finish the contruction.

Anonymous said...

If John David is courting Erin Bates, and he stayed behind in Tennessee to do that, where would he sleep? Would he bunk in the giant boys' room and hang with the guys? Would they all chaperone him and Erin, so they have no alone time for lustful thoughts or kissing?

I would think having the courting young man in the house would bring up a whole other set of problems.

Willow #1 said...

Kat - Thanks!! I never had stopped to think about toe or tow until I actually typed it!! Toe the line is funny, huh? :)

Kat said...

If JohnDavid *was* courting at the Bates, it wouldn't have been any different than when Anna came to Arkansas. Remember they had to decide who would chaperone Josh and Anna as they went to a movie and out to dinner? Same thing...