Free Discussion August 2011

Please use this for Duggar sightings, speculation, or general discussion. Note that this is Duggar discussion not other families, TV shows, politics, religion, or personal stories.   If the comment is more about you or some other issue than the actual Duggars, please rethink before sending.  Thank you!

103 comments:

Reality TV Junkie said...

Honestly, I'm up for another Duggar courtship, marriage, or pregnancy.

positiveparent said...

Pregnancy.no way. Tired of watching brood mares, and I don't want to see the 4 girls tied down permanently yet.

Courtship, yes, DATING - oh, year, marriage.... ok, too.

Would really prefer one child to show some intelligent rebellion. Maybe running away from home to an aunts house?

michelle said...

I wonder if the Duggars are losing viewers. I'm still curious as to how much longer it will be until their show ceases to exist

Delta88 said...

There is nothing to see on this show but constant bus tours, book signings. infantile field trips, or preparation of TaTaCa. No way, no how, is Jim Bob releasing any of his daughters into courtship or anything yet. Jana is on her way to being a Maxwell or Sarah Mally: a good daughter who just stays at home forever, waiting for her "Prince Charming".

And since Jim Bob has to OK that suitor, it will never happen. At least not while there are still so many little kids at home. It's obvious that Jana is now officially premie Josie's buddy (so much for giving that job to 13 year old Joy) which means she'll be stuck at home for at least five more years.

The dating seminar episode made it clear that there are no courtships for the girls yet (obviously), and that not a one of them has a clue about men, relationships, or how to even have a normal conversation with a man. So sad.

Poor_Girls said...

I agree 110% with you, Delta88!!

Kitten said...

Courtship, yes, DATING - oh, year, marriage.... ok, too.


NO NO NO NO NO...because in this family, courtship and marriage leads directly to pregnancy and babies, do not pass GO, do not collect $200. The only thing good I can see in marriage for the girls is that at least they have a small window of time where they "only" have to care for themselves and their husbands, and at least they'll have their own homes and not have to answer to mom and dad.

But really, exchanging one prison for a slightly less oppressive prison isn't what I want for any of them. What I would truly wish for them is the chance to live their OWN lives first. I know it ain't gonna happen, but I still wish on the first star at night, and birthday candles - call me a hopeful dreamer...

msrylee said...

Count me in, too. Very sad for Jana and her sister-moms.

Seriously? said...

"Would really prefer one child to show some intelligent rebellion. Maybe running away from home to an aunts house"

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I, too, would love to see a) intelligence and b) rebellion by ANY of the Duggars and Duggarettes, but I'm afraid both are in short supply in Duggarland.

Digger said...

Why is the term "sister moms" repeatedly posted here but you can't use a Dugger nickname?

imaamy said...

Digger, I have been wondering the same thing. It isn't a complimentary phrase:)

Sdkoh said...

The Duggars grow observably richer,thanks to the show.

All of the women (young and old) seem very very sad. Could be sheer exhaustion.

The older boys seem equally depressed. They are silent and largely absent--assigned their own schedules of rough manual labor by Mr. Duggar.

Are all of the older Duggar children destined to be spinsters and bachelors as per the 1800s?

Sharla said...

Please remember politics is not an acceptable topic here and anonymous is not an acceptable name. Thank you!

judgy mcjudgerson said...

The longer those girls are denied a courtship, the longer they are putting off breeding another generation of undereducated mini-Duggars who can't put together a grammatically correct sentence.

As an individual, it makes me sad that they can't be independent, free-thinking adults who choose a mate based on a mature relationship which they have developed over years of shared experiences.

However, as a concerned citizen who worries about straining resources, overpopulation, and carbon footprints, I am totally fine with the lack of new courtships.

rcadra2 said...

I just saw an article that said the entire clan was spotted in DC today. I wonder what they're up to? I sure hope they left poor Josie home. That poor kid's senses must be so overloaded.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/yeas-nays/2011/08/sightings-richardson-dines-bourbon-steak-duggars-do-k-street

HistorianMom said...

I would not choose the Duggar lifestyle and haven't raised my kids in anything close, yet we do have a number of friends in our homeschooling co-op whose lifestyle and values are prettty close to the Duggars. They are "different," which is why we gawk at them, but I think "sad" is a bit of a stretch. If they were as judgemental toward outsiders as outsiders are to them, there would be no end to the howling.

ennvee said...

K Street is where the lobbyists are, so this "vacation" is definitely politically motivated. I came to post this link about them evangelizing at the Lincoln Memorial with Ray Comfort, the same guy in the bus video I linked a couple of days ago. One thing is for certain: they are NOT on vacation.

http://www.tmz.com/2011/08/03/19-kids-and-counting-tlc-jim-bob-duggar-washington-dc-lincoln-memorial-100-dollar-bills-god-spiritual-religion/

Here's a link to the "$100 bill" tracts that they were handing out on Wednesday.

http://www.livingwaters.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=100&category_id=8&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=199&lang=en

Seriously? said...

"If they were as judgemental toward outsiders as outsiders are to them, there would be no end to the howling"

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But that is exactly the point: the Duggars ARE judgemental.

The Duggars always CLAIM not to judge, but their actions betray their true feelings about any of us who are less conservative than they.

TheDuggars have (and teach their children) a very warped view of the rest of us and consider us a threat to their morality, thus, they cloister themselves away, as if we might tempt them away from their alleged holiness.

IMO, in this way, the Duggars do NOT at all fulfill their stated goal of wanting to 'encourage' others. Conversely to their rhetoric, their obvious fear and dread of anything and anyone who does not share their uber conservative life view speaks volumes about how they judge those outside their Gothard group, and this is very off putting.

Reality TV Junkie said...

I don't think that the oldest children will have as many kids as Michelle and Jim Bob have. Because none of them yet are in any sort of romantic relationship, it will definetly be at least a few more years until one of them marries. Keep in mind, Jana and John David are both at the age when their parents gave birth to Josh. So, they'll be the ones with less breeding years. If anyone is going to have 20+ kids, it will be Josh and Anna.

sandi said...

That's a weird gimmick,considering the bills aren't real.Perhaps many would feel encouraged if they weren't fake.
I agree,the Duggars and families like them continually draw a line in the sand between us and them,especially when it comes to things like dating and getting a decent education.There would be no doctors and other specialists to see if everyone followed their path.

rcadra2 said...

Please tell me that's not Josh in the photo, at the Lincoln monument. What ever happened to 'leave and cleave?' Who's watching the car lot?

Jen said...

Someone posted on the duggar family blog recently that while on a family vacation to Washington D.C. they saw Jim bob behind the counter of a pizza place making pizzas for some of the members of the duggar family. It seems like their combining vacation and politics.

Hannah said...

I think Josh has a lot of workers now and he just goes in and sits at a desk, might show a car ot two. But, just is is there if somthing comes up.

rcadra2 said...

But Josh also has a baby less than two months old. And I think this trip must be part of the same one as 10 days ago, when Jason (I think it was) fell off the stage. Is the baby on the crowded bus? For a two week trip? Or is Anna home alone with a 2 yr old and newborn? If that's the case, she must be irate. Something is a wee bit off with this family and their show lately.

michelle said...

I think it would be really difficult to have two kids so close in age as Josh and Anna have. Also, if Anna is expected to go on Duggar trips (I don't know if this is true) life would be pretty hard. Grand Duggar number three may not be far behind, who knows?

ennvee said...

Someone said they saw a pic of Jason with his jaw wired, but I don't see it so I'll go ahead and post it. You can see the crutches behind him.

I hope it didn't take long for him to get the dental care he needed. The crutches were seen on the bus, but I wonder if he had to have surgery on the ankle (wasn't it torn ligaments?) when he got home?

Poor guy!

http://a2.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/117/9c1c1e1ba73a4167b4bd9767066ece98/l.jpg

Digger said...

Jason's jaw is wired shut. Notice that he can't smile and the badly bruised lower lip. He seems to be okay because he was helping the family put together bikes the day that photo was taken. I just wonder why he's hiding the crutches?
https://picasaweb.google.com/duggarfamily/July2011Pictures#5632050178745206866

Hannah said...

I hope the Duggars are more carful after this accident. I feel bad for Micheal in that holder that Anna is wearing. he can hardly move.

pumpkin said...

TMZ has a couple of recent stories and photos about the Duggar family's travels, if anybody is interested:

Handing out giant $100 bills in DC:

http://www.tmz.com/2011/08/03/19-kids-and-counting-tlc-jim-bob-duggar-washington-dc-lincoln-memorial-100-dollar-bills-god-spiritual-religion/

Bus breaks down:

http://www.tmz.com/2011/06/06/duggar-family-bus-19-kids-and-counting-tlc-today-show-road-trip-jim-bob-michelle/

Helping out in Joplin:

http://www.tmz.com/2011/05/23/duggar-family-19-kids-and-counting-joplin-missouri-tornado-disaster-tlc-john-josh-jim-bob-jana-jill-jessa-joseph/

Lindy said...

Every time I see one of the older daughters feeding Josie or taking care of the little ones I wonder where is Michelle and why is she hardly caught on camera doing anything remotely close to childrearing those little ones? How are they preparing their older children especially for the real world, even the one that exists where they are at in Arkansas? Also, do Michelle and Jim Bob realize that Gothard (the man) is single, never married, and has no children? He seems to have a rather "picturesque" view of courtship, that many have pointed out as not following historical accounts of courtship and dating.

Hannah said...

The duggars think that having sex outside of marrige will lead to cancer etc.


Um, do you now realie how many married woman get it.


They also think a woman should get a degreee and drop it to raise a family.


A single mom should work a job that allows to be home more to raise her kids "godly"

source: book

msrylee said...

Wow, I'm assuming you are speaking about their newest book. Exactly how many of the elder Duggar females have attained a degree in the first place?

I am unwilling to go to the cancer-causing extra-marital sex issue. Perhaps after reading about this myself, I will be ready to comment. The Duggar's book sounds like it contains controversial issues.

Mackenzee said...

In response to the person that mentioned Michael being on the crowded bus - the recent trip to DC: The Duggars flew, they did not take the bus for this trip.

hart&sole said...

Maybe Michelle would look and act less like an empty shell if she were pregnant with #20. Now she just seems like a Chatty Cathy doll who says everyone is 'sweet' when someone pulls her string. I believe as goofy as Jim Bob is, he actually loves the kids and enjoys them. Michelle enjoys being a serial mother for about 6 months at a time.

ennvee said...

There is video taken of them on the bus in late July. I think that's the Atlanta trip. They DID take Michael on THAT trip, which I believe PRECEDED the DC jaunt.

So that's even worse, although flying with an infant is no picnic. I feel for Anna in advance; a toddler and a 3 month old on lord knows how long a flight (including customs, flight connections, etc) will be pure hell.

ennvee said...

Here are a bunch of pictures from Jana and Jill's mission to Peru. Priscilla Keller has some pics up on her Picasa account, but I can't figure out how to access it.

Doesn't look like much of a "mission" to me; it's all pre-ordained activities that are highly controlled.

https://profiles.google.com/csp3.10/photos/5634448675422324337

ennvee said...

Oops! Hit enter before I was done. Jana and Jill are in pic 23, Jill in 28. I'm sure there are more, but those are the ones I caught upon a quick glance of this batch of pics.

Cyn said...

Correction... There are 2 different tracts. One is an oversize 100 dollar bill, the other is a million dollar bill.

Way of the Master had a big stink about them a few years ago because some idjit thought they were illegal because the million dollar ones are the same size are real money.

The difference is (and why they can get away with it) because the US doesn't print a million dollar bill, so the tracts are perfectly legal. But the publicity from having those tracts seized by the federal government was worth it's weight in gold...for months after ward they couldn't keep them in stock (they sell them).

I have several of their tracts from different Way of the Master conferences I have attended. One of the girls in the video talked about them handing out the tracts and that their favorite was the million dollar one.

http://www.livingwaters.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.browse&category_id=8&Itemid=199&lang=en

ennvee said...

Jim Bob is so cheap, he probably leaves them in lieu of tips; I've heard that the uber-religious do this.

If I was a waitress at the kind of place the Duggars typically frequent, I'd rather have the cash; rent to pay and all that.

O-Hi-O said...

re: 'tracts': are evangelicals like the Duggars completely unaware of just how insulting it is to be approached and treated as if they are SUCH moral losers that they require 'saving'?

IMO, this attitude, approaching strangers and giving them 'tracts' is judgemental and arrogant.

Why not try, instead, walking the walk, that is: RESPECT others and their differing belief systems, rather than assuming all but THEY are hell-bound?

pumpkin said...

There are a number of attractive, presumably likeminded young men in those photos from the Peru mission trip. Perhaps one of them will be considered good enough by Jim Bob.

Leigh Ann said...

I looked at the Peru mission trip pictures. Does anyone know what the deal was with the black business attire? They looked like a delegation from the chamber of commerce. I'm all for a dress code and looking respectable, but that really looked weird.

positiveparent said...

Let's hope that Jana and Jill meet someone they would like to court on this trip... they all look very nice in their dress clothing, and not a 'buddy' in sight. Maybe they could actually exchange adult conversations rather than be interrupted every 3 seconds by their buddies.

And, let's hope that the ones they meet live HUNDREDS of miles away from the Duggar compound.... becuase then Jana and Jill might actually leave and cleave.... letting Michelle raise her own blessings.

mom in texas said...

I viewed the Peru pictures also and yes there seems to be a lot of attractive like minded young people involved. I am sure the girls are not single due to lack of exposure. They have plenty of opportunities to interact (to a degree) with Godly young men. According to Jim Bob and Michelle they have had inquiries but no one has proved to be "good enough". But it also has to be considered that maybe these young men and their families did not want their sons to sign up to be a part of the Duggar circus. Courting one of the Duggar girls would most likely mean being filmed for the show as well as visiting Arkansas and quite possibly having to move there once they are married. All this seems overwhelming and not everyone wants to have every detail of their life play out on television. This limits the options for the girls so long as they live their and that's sad.

Hannah said...

The duggars dont believe in luck. How come Josie lived and some others didn`t. Didn`t some luck as not having some deadly complications or even getting the chicken pox. wasnt that lucky?

they dont even use the term pot-luck

sandi said...

The Duggars don't see their behavior as annoying to others because they are obligated,per their belifs,to do something called witnessing.Or rather,telling ppl about their beliefs. (not that I agree with handing out fake bills).
That said,I can't imagine they would be pushy on anyone who says they don't want to hear it.

Willow #1 said...

I apologize in advance, but I have no idea what these "million dollar tracts" etc. are. Can anyone please explain. I can get that it has something to do with witnessing, but all of you seem to already know about this and I am lost. Thanks friends!!

ennvee said...

I viewed the Peru pictures also and yes there seems to be a lot of attractive like minded young people involved. I am sure the girls are not single due to lack of exposure.

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Gothard himself is in the group picture (28, I think) as well as the picture with the doctors. He always wears a red tie. That this trip was not advertised on the IBLP/ATI website leads me to believe this was an "by invitation only" trip. Priscilla Keller works at Gothard's HQ, and there are plenty of other workers of this caliber who ensure improper interactions between the young men and women do not happen. I've read a lot of stories from people who used to work for Gothard in this capacity, or went on the missions and trust me, what is considered "acceptable" interaction is very limited.

As for the wardrobe, remember 2 things: 1) They're part of a group. Most groups, from baseball teams to teams of soul-winners, including the Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses that show up at your doorstep, dress in a certain way so they can be recognized as members of the group.

The dark palette with blazers certainly had something to do with the fact that it's winter in Peru. I'm actually glad that Jana and Jill were forced to buy something resembling a business suit and wear stockings and flats, rather than those infernal flip-flops.

Sadly, this "mission" makes their (also sheltered to a certain degree) work in Central America as work with real heart behind it. Gothard is merely trying to get permission to build a center in Peru, but do not like the politics of the new president, whom they believe will not minister to the needy "properly." (This comes from a blog of a participant.)

Also, FWIW, representatives of Gothard are not allowed to be overweight; if you do not have the proper "look," you are not invited, or you are sent home from the camps like the one Jana went to in June. Preach as they might about looks not mattering, Gothard's actions seem to appear to be quite to the contrary.

Seriously? said...

"The Duggars don't see their behavior as annoying to others because they are obligated,per their belifs,to do something called witnessing"

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Refusing to 'hear' the wishes of others, that is, 'please spare us your religious rhetoric,' is symptomatic of insensitivity and arrogance.

IMO, with this 'witnessing' the Duggars and those of their mindset show a complete lack of respect to those who hold differing belief systems.

I'm doubtful the Duggars would be all that polite and receptive to, say, a Muslim or (gasp!) atheist' 'witnessing' to them to 'win them over' to the 'right' side.

Therefore, it'd be a step in the right direction if the Duggars and their type actually treated others as they want to be treated, that is, stop forcing their beliefs onto others against their will.

sandi said...

Re: Also, FWIW, representatives of Gothard are not allowed to be overweight; if you do not have the proper "look," you are not invited, or you are sent home from the camps like the one Jana went to in June. Preach as they might about looks not mattering, Gothard's actions seem to appear to be quite to the contrary.

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wow,certainly we've seen overweight friends of the Duggars in their home,so it's even harder to understand why they would follow Gothard and his ways.

Seriously? said...

"Also, FWIW, representatives of Gothard are not allowed to be overweight"

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Questions: Is this stand on weight gender- and/or age- based, or is Gothard an equal opportunity insulter on the weight issue?

Also, why, then are Gothardite moms not also rebuked, i.e., Mrs. Duggar, from what we have all seen of her, though not obese, she is obviously neither fit nor a healthy BMI.

sandi said...

Re: Therefore, it'd be a step in the right direction if the Duggars and their type actually treated others as they want to be treated, that is, stop forcing their beliefs onto others against their will.

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While I don't agree with the Duggar ways,I haven't seen them force their beleifs on the outside world.For example,it would be safe to say that anyone who left with a fake bill with scripture on it actually went up to the Duggars and spoke to them first.

rcadra2 said...

I just read that "Kate Plus 8" was dropped from TLC. Viewers were down to 1 million per show. I think the Duggars are at 1.1 and 1.2 million from what Sharla has posted. I wonder if the show is nearing the end of the line?

ncgirl said...

"I wonder if the show is nearing the end of the line?"

The ratings system seems complicated. From what I read they also look at the main demographics, and they want the 18-48 age group.

Perhaps it helps if the Duggars attract that group more than K plus 8. They're supposed to go on a foreign trip so TLC must be hanging in there. K plus 8's foreign trip was a bust ratings wise.

Sharla said...

Just my opinion but the Duggars are approaching the end of the road also. Their demographic is very similar to Kate's. Kate Plus 8 had several episodes below 1 million viewers and a .3 rating. So far the Duggars have never been below 950,000 that I can remember. Also Kate is an older show and due to the amazing (for TLC) ratings that it she had earlier a more expensive show to produce. Add in all the fancy trips and such and the cost was much higher. Viewership is a bit lower now for the Duggars than the first season or two but it's never been really high so it's tough to tell where cutoff will be. It's never a good sign for a TLC show when they do an extravaganza overseas trip though. Roloffs went to Europe, next season was the final season. Kate Plus 8 went to Australia, next fall cancelled. Duggars are rumored to heading to the British Isles, we'll keep a weather eye on the ratings.

Sharla said...

Just my opinion but the Duggars are approaching the end of the road also. Their demographic is very similar to Kate's. Kate Plus 8 had several episodes below 1 million viewers and a .3 rating. So far the Duggars have never been below 950,000 that I can remember. Also Kate is an older show and due to the amazing (for TLC) ratings that it she had earlier a more expensive show to produce. Add in all the fancy trips and such and the cost was much higher. Viewership is a bit lower now for the Duggars than the first season or two but it's never been really high so it's tough to tell where cutoff will be. It's never a good sign for a TLC show when they do an extravaganza overseas trip though. Roloffs went to Europe, next season was the final season. Kate Plus 8 went to Australia, next fall cancelled. Duggars are rumored to heading to the British Isles, we'll keep a weather eye on the ratings.

ennvee said...

New internet radio show (aired today, 8/15) featuring the Duggars. Long and not sure how much is same old, same old, but here it is.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/hiaradio/2011/08/15/tough-love-show-with-special-guests-the-duggars

Seriously? said...

I HOPE the TLC axe doesn't stop with K8G, but, instead, includes the Duggars.

Enough 'reality' already. These shows have always been planned, plotted, and scripted, despite what these actor-families claim. These shows are as far from truth as Neptune is from Earth.

If "Men are From Mars" and "Women are From Venus", where the heck do these 'reality families come from?

I hope ALL of them wander back to wherever it is they call home and just STAY there.

TLC, hire some decent writers. Onboard real actors with real skill and talent. Raise the bar, improve the standards of your currently-pathetic programming. Show us life on Planet Earth instead of Planet Narcissism and Planet Quiverful.

Kitten said...

it would be safe to say that anyone who left with a fake bill with scripture on it actually went up to the Duggars and spoke to them first.

Um, no, it would not be safe to say that. Evangelism, especially as practiced by the ATI crowd, is pretty confrontational, even if it's done in a "friendly" way. Trust me, they don't stand there and wait for people to approach - that would defeat the whole purpose. They confront people directly, just like any street hawker.

sandi said...

I haven't seen anywhere where the Duggars have confronted anyone.Even in NYC,people were coming up to them first.

sandi said...

I would love to see the Bates have their own show,an unsanitized version of their real life.Their blog reveals they have a very full life and that would be interesting to see.I know they said they don't want a show,but perhaps they would reconsider once 19 and counting is off the air.(the Duggars, of course, would come to visit occasionally, and so of course tlc would flim that).Besides,they are going to have their own version of 19 and counting,it looks like very soon!

hart&sole said...

May I tell you that the Bates don't accept money for their appearances and program performances. Knowing this I absolutely can't see them willing to do a TV show for 'fun' and profit. Let's leave these decent people alone. Not one family who has appeared as a reality show has improved their lives by accepting. I enjoy seeing the Bates family as they occasionally appear with the Duggars, can we just leave it at that?

Anonymous said...

Speaking of ratings and the show going down hill, funny enough the only cure to possible cancellation might be the very first comment in the thread;

" Honestly, I'm up for another Duggar courtship, marriage, or pregnancy. "

sandi said...

If they don't accept money for the show and appearances,there's not much to leave at that.

ProudMrs. said...

Can someone please talk more about the rumored trip abroad? I listened to the radio interview with Michelle and Anna and didn't think the spin I heard was that they were planning a trip - just a statement that it would be interesting to go when an interviewer brought it up. Maybe the trip talk is somewhere else and I missed it? Thanks.

Patrice said...

IMO, maybe the Bateses have seen how having a reality show has changed the Duggars, and they don't want to be caught up in that. I don't think too many of the changes were for the better.

Amanda said...

Interesting review of A Love that Multiplies is up on the No Longer Quivering blog.
http://nolongerquivering.com/2011/08/11/a-love-that-multiplies-the-duggars-new-book/

Kitten said...

Overseas trip - Everyone who doesn't have one is getting passports (Josh discusses it on his FB page), and the rumor is Ireland.

Fits right into the TLC reality show "storyline" - once they run out of ideas, they start sending people on trips. First all over the US, then abroad (Roloffs - Europe, Gosselins - Australia/NZ).

We're all hoping for the same result - in the first two cases, both shows were cancelled shortly afterwards. Maybe the big trips are TLC's idea of a "parting gift?" Fingers crossed...

ProudMrs. said...

Thanks, Kitten. But I thought they already aired an episode that addressed the remaining Duggars obtaining passports? And didn't Michelle (maybe Anna?) say that none of the family has Facebook pages during the radio interview? If the page that is attributed to Josh isn't really his, we can't be sure anything on it is real, either. Again, I don't exactly recall the wording from the radio interview... Totally agree that a big trip is something that TLC does when a show starts scratching heads for new footage, but I still don't think we have anything solid indicating they are going to Ireland. Another 'mission' trip, sure...

If you look on the web photo albums, there are a lot of pictures of the crew filming thigs we didn't see in this season. I'm guessing it's either on the cutting room floor, or they are saving the footage for something else. A special maybe? I also think those speculating that a coursthip/marriage/baby would be the only things to save the show are right.

ennvee said...

Josh DOES have a legit FB page with about 25 friends (mostly people we've heard of from the show - and Anna's relatives. The wall is open. The content is....interesting.

Josh said that he and Anna had to get new passports because theirs had been "stolen" (read: lost) and pictures from his personal photos showed Mack and Mike's passport photos as well.

Airtran22 said...

Josh and Anna have a facebook, but only add people they know in real life. Same with Amy Dugger, but she has a fan page too. Deanna Dugger adds fans, I think.

Amy said they are going somewhere, but she did not say where.

Please Use a Name said...

"And didn't Michelle (maybe Anna?) say that none of the family has Facebook pages during the radio interview?" MIchelle said that none of the Duggars living at home had facebook pages. Josh doesn't live at home.

hart&sole said...

Yes, perhaps it is time for the Duggars to pack up and go, however if that happens, who will we blog about? Hillbilly Handfishing?

Our best hope is that the Duggars finally do something interesting and stop telling us how sweet and godly they all are. Personally I am for a wedding, just not John David and Anna Heckel, or however her name is spelled. She is just freaking goofy.

How about the Duggars come clean about their relationship with Gothard? How about Michelle goes to a speech therapist and learns to talk like an adult? How about the kids go to a brick and mortar college and take 2 actual classes a semester. How about Michelle and Jim Bob take parenting classes so they are equipped to care for their own children? The posibilities are endless.

jonandkatewho? said...

I think TLC should go ahead and just cancel this show. You know, while they are cancelling Kate + 8, they may as well just cancel this one too. It's equally boring. The Duggars are not as annoying and unlikable as Kate and her brood, (not saying the kids are unlikable but they sure aren't interesting and are often annoying)but they are still annoying and ridiculous. I have never seen another show which could reliably put me to sleep the way this one does.

I could care less who gets married or decides to "court". I could care less about who has more babies. They have enough children on this show to cast ten reality shows. I think Jim Bob is a clown who can't keep his hands off his wife for one minute, and TLC probably encourages this behavior. If they don't cancel soon, everybody will dislike this family as much as they do the Gosselins.

I'm not going to say much about their religion because I find it too ridiculous to even comment on in this day and age. I feel so sorry for those older girls and I hate the way Michelle doesn't take care of her own kids. If she doesn't want to be reviled similar to the way Kate G. is, maybe she should consider taking her family off tv.

I've seen many boring shows on TLC, in fact I only like a few of their shows anymore. But this show really takes the cake for sheer unwatchability (is that a word?).

Honestly, I have never seen a more boring show in my life up to this point.

Lindy said...

IMO I think we will see some dissention from the Duggar kids once the show is off the air. Right now, it looks like TLC especially wants to portray how wonderfully perfect the Duggar family/brand is. Hence, the kids will all tote the party line. How would it look if one of the girls decides to leave the compound and move out on her own, as far as the Duggar brand is concerned? JB and Michelle would have a lot of explaining to do, since they portray that all their kids love this lifestyle and are happy as can be.

mom in texas said...

The Bates site states that the Duggars recently came for a visit. In the comments Anna Heckel stated that if she would have stayed a little longer with the Duggars she could have made the trip. Since it is not customary for a young woman to travel without a family member does anyone if Anna Heckel travelled with the Duggars alone? IMO I think this maybe more conformation that she and John David may be courting. I can't think of another reason she would be there with the family for an extended period of time.

mom in texas said...

I wish I would have known about this before so I could have posted it but the Bates were on Primetime Nightline tonight. No mention of the Duggars until they went to Big Sandy. Of course the TLC cameras were rolling and Jim Bob took an opportunity to steal a few moments. But the show still remained mainly about the Bates. Taping began during the latest miscarriage. When asked why they don't use birth control but use medicine to promote pregnancy Kelly justified the use of progesterone as "medical care" for the embryo since they use it as a way to sustain a pregnancy. The Bates stated that an embryo is a living being and as you would any child if they were sick, you would do what you could to help them. I still have some issue with this. If you are trusting God in all you do then why are taking medical intervention to promote pregnancy? As for medical care the Bates use free Christian medical clinic, at least for the prenatal care. It was amazing how much the mirror the Duggars in almost everything in life. There was times when I almost forgot it wasn’t the Duggars.

One disturbing factor was during the home school conference they showed the girls of the conference learning songs about “happy housework”. I am not kidding. These young girls were being taught by older girls to be happy home makers. Unbelievable. The host asked about the sexism in the ATI conference. The issue was skirted over by Kelly.

Courtship was also talked about for a moment with Josh and Anna as a lead in to Zach Bates and Sarah Reith’s courtship announcement. But again the actually details of courtship were not discussed. There was mention of Michaela, who is now 21, who had a courtship blossom when she was 16 but was called off because her parents felt she was too young. She now says she “prefers” to be home, helping out with housework and babies. I was surprised she had a suitor at such a young age since she seems so quiet but was sadder for her that although the desire is there, she doesn’t feel the need to leave home anytime soon.

Another interesting thing is that the 18 yr old son Lawson is the financial boss of the family. He makes the grocery purchase and even sometimes has to pay for them himself since Gil admitted there are times money is short. Lawson earns money from his lawn care business and often times pays for the expense such as cars and one sibling’s college courses. Kelly often says the kids “volunteer” to do the household chores such as cooking and washing 6 or 7 loads of clothes. I never saw her do much work. However I did see her excitement over finding out she is pregnant again with her current pregnancy. Kelly and Michelle share the same school girl giddiness over pregnancy. While in Big Sandy there was the conversation of pregnancies not being a competition and that it’s not about quantity of kids but I don’t always get that feeling when you hear the families talk.

Overall the show gave an insight to the Bates and other likeminded families. Lots of singing and praying but overall interesting. I watched the show for the same reason I watch the Duggars, out of sheer curiosity but I don’t think I will ever understand the choices and ideals of these families.

Elaine said...

Could someone catch me up really quick on Anna Hackel? I've tried to google search her, but found nothing. I thought I had read here (somewhere) a while back that she and her family had a blog?

Alberta Rose said...

Regarding the Duggar family and witnessing, the episode when they met Dolly Parton made a huge impact on me. Michelle Duggar was questioned why she was exposing the family to a woman like Dolly Parton. She replied that she looked at Dolly Parton as a woman who was a good singer and had a heart for children's charity. It made me realize that I should not judge a person by the external but look at the internal.

Seriously? said...

re: the free Christian clinic: from whom/where does this clinic, that reportedly provides free care, get its funding?

Anonymous said...

I watched the Primtime Live about the Bates', too. It was full of contradiction. For example, if they aren't supposed to live with any debt, then why do they "owe" the 18 year old money whenever he fronts them for grocery or college classes, etc? Isn't that technically debt?

Also, if God is in charge of how many children they have, why do they watch their pregnancies so closely? Wouldn't they instead use typical pre natal care and then let happen what happens? They even asked the doctor what they could do to "help" and the doctor explained about her age being a factor, which I'm sure she knew. She is almost 45. I am 43 and can't imagine having another baby right now. (My children are teenagers.)

Overall, though, Kelly Bates seems like a very loving, sweet mother, I have to say.

Seriously? said...

"Dolly Parton as a woman who was a good singer and had a heart for children's charity."

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WHY would anyone assume anything different?

Hannah said...

an interview with the bates.

hannah said...

link to the video interview with zacks proposal



http://news.yahoo.com/video/us-15749625/tennessee-couple-with-18-children-want-more-kids-26405635.html

Seriously? said...

JMO, I hope the Duggars get cancelled soon.

Enough already with these people.

Gil and Kelly Bates seem slightly more intelligent but, they, too, (and their many 'blessings') all adhere strictly to the script and partyline. Personally, I'm not buying it.

Hard to understand why parents WANT 19 carbon copy kids who seem unable to think for themselves even into adulthood. I find this kind of parenting anything BUT 'encouraging'.

Hannah said...

I heard Judson bates(the one whon shops) lent his parents 5 grand and his siblings some money too. Did anyone see or tape the special where he said this?

Hannah said...

It was Lawerson and here.

It is and it confirms her taking the drugs go keep the pregnancy.


It looks like she misscarried again or this this her last one.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN1RgyuLNq0

rcadra2 said...

I thought I liked the Bates - they seem more sensible and sane than the Duggars and they haven't sold out to TLC. But, the more I see of them, the more doesn't add up.

I just watched the Youtube Primetime Live clip and couldn't believe what I heard. They don't have health insurance? What? Excuse me? Eighteen kids, one more on the way and no health insurance? They just show up at the emergency room or use the free clinic for their prenatal care.
And then say later that they don't believe in government assistance? Good grief. I wonder how many times they show up at the ER a year with 18 kids? Isn't that taking help? It's probably a pretty costly charity if you go to an ER for every earache instead of a pediatrician. If each kid gets just three illnesses a year, you could be at the ER every week!

And with no health insurance, how good are the parents taking care of themselves? Something minor could turn into a major problem if you don't take care of yourself. I hope they are around to raise this nineteenth child.

And I am cringing thinking of another repurcussion of not having health insurance - the dentist. If they paid themselves it would be thousands just for cleanings. Or do all the kids have mouthfuls of neglected teeth? If that's the case I feel sad for the kids.

They seem to take a lot of trips - like the home school conference and all the times they've been at the Duggars. Traveling can't be cheap - even filling the gas tank is a fortune. And the homeschool conference fees must be hundreds per person. Then there's a big house (although Jim Bob bankrolled that), utilities to heat it, musicical instruments and lessons.

Where are their priorities? Why not get some basic cheapo health insurance?

They seem to be turning into the Duggars now - teenaged daughters serving as maids and nannies, a mom talking in a little girl voice, too much emphasis on having babies instead of helping the older kids find their way in life, too much hoopla about shopping at Goodwill.

I am changing my mind about thinking this family is a breath of fresh air. It's the same lotta hot air we get from the Duggars.

Seriously? said...

Pathetic that parents have to rely upon their children to supplement their income.

WHY do the Duggars (and the Bates) have such a hard time comprehending that it is irresponsible to have more children a) than you can raise YOURSELF (w/o relying on older children to constantly care for younger children) and b) afford.

Just because they want to hide behind supposed religious zeal about 'letting god decide' how many kids they have, does NOT make having more kids than they can handle on their own any better, any more responsiblen than those who are unable to care for their children for less religious reasons.

msrylee said...

I watched a few minutes of the Bates programme as well. It was very disturbing to me when the female blessings were indeed singing the 'happy housework' song. I thought I was in the twilight zone. When Mrs. Bates was asked about the girls being inside and learning a song about happy housework, while the boys were outside doing fun activities, she did indeed brush it off.

I have researched the Gothard beliefs and was stunned at what I read. These issues have been already posted here, so I won't go into detail again. It is my opinion that the Gothard belief system is indeed a cult,and it's "leader" controls the members. The members in turn control their families, IMO. It has been argued here that the older blessings can leave home any time they want, but IMO, they don't understand what good things the outside world has to offer, such as education. Those blessings are frightened of the outside world, as they have been taught all the evil and sinful things, not any of the good. JMHO.

hart&sole said...

Kelly Bates is still pregnant with their baby (the one following her recent miscarriage). Whether or not this spurs Michelle and Jim Bob to seriously work on having their 20th remains to be seen. I think John David and Michaela Bates would make a good match, since they are both quiet but have similar interests. Jill and Lawson would be ideal as well, but it's what they think, not what I think that counts. Maybe we will have to wait for Josie Duggar and Judson Bates for a match!

Seriously? said...

"I am changing my mind about thinking this family is a breath of fresh air. It's the same lotta hot air we get from the Duggars."

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I agree!

IMO it is the height of irresponsibility to birth children in the dozens but carry no medical insurance.

SOMEONE has to pay for the cost of the 'free' care given to the Bates. Not even the Duggars or Bates can fail to comprehend THIS reality.

All the righteous rhetoric against 'depending on the govt' AS IF their OWN irresponsibility (having more kids than able to afford) is somehow more moral just because they want to claim a biblical context. This is nonsense.

You said it well: lots of hot, hypocritical and contradictory air from the Duggars/Bates/Gothardites.

Digger said...

Scary photo of Josh street preaching in DC. Someone should tell him that grown men don't wear crocs!
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-D2vQdkNApVg/TllgVyPQ4DI/AAAAAAAAF1k/zDFthu7br8g/s512/_MG_4110.jpg

Angel said...

Re: the photo of Josh Duggar in DC. Interesting. If I saw this fellow on the street just like this, I would think he has some degree of mental illness with the duffel bags and the some what hap-hazard choice of clothes/shoes.

Duggargoth said...

Anyone notice that Josh seems totally aware of the camera in th D.C shot (as always.....)

Beth said...

Kelly Bates clarified in the comments section of a recent blog post that their family pays the hospital bills they incur; they ask for similar discounts to those given to insurance companies and then work out a payment plan to pay their bills. She also says that they would be happy to pay for insurance but have found none that is affordable for their family.

It doesn't appear that they expect free medical care. And in fairness, many families with far fewer children are unable to afford health insurance.

Patrice said...

Re: the photo of Josh Duggar in DC. Interesting. If I saw this fellow on the street just like this, I would think he has some degree of mental illness with the duffel bags and the some what hap-hazard choice of clothes/shoes.
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Looks like Anna was too busy with the little ones to pick out an outfit for her big kid that morning!

Seriously? said...

"She also says that they would be happy to pay for insurance but have found none that is affordable for their family."

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"happy to pay for insurance BUT..." IMO it's irresponsible to continue birthing babies WAY, WAY beyond your financial means, and, no, claiming the bible as a rationale for such irresponsibility doesn't cut it.

Further, continuing to purposefully have babies when you are already having to take or borrow money from your older offspring just to get by is neither great parenting nor a good example for their many quivers.

frannie said...

The DC photos were strange... when they went there before, the men and boys all wore suits and ties... now they are in mismatched clothing and crocs. I think there is something strange in that. I don't think there is anything terribly devious about it because I honestly don't think they are that smart, but it is just odd. Maybe Michelle and the girls are just too tired and the boys too clueless to pick out clothing in advance.

msrylee said...

Perhaps the Duggars are just too tired to pick out appropriate clothes to wear, or not intelligent enough, but their 'leader' must be very very smart to have so many follow him without question. That is very scary to me. The comment made by Jackson Bates was somewhat frightening to me as well. It makes me wonder what truly happens behind Gothard's and his believers' doors.

I also agree that if parents cannot pay for groceries and have one of their blessings buy them, maybe God is trying to tell them something. And it may not be to procreate. JMHO.

Kitten said...

Then there's a big house (although Jim Bob bankrolled that)

Be real. TLC bankrolled it, and paid Jim Bob and the clan to show up. It was a "feel-good" plotline for the show. Without TLC, JimBob couldn't even finish his own house, let alone help anyone else expand theirs.

msrylee said...

I also agree that TLC paid for this trip, and that is why the Duggars showed up. The Duggar's financial status certainly has improved since engaging in contracting with TLC. There is no doubt about this. JimBob may be a savvy businessperson, but not that savvy IMO.

It makes me wonder if close family friends of the Duggars are considering signing on with TLC. I wouldn't think the Duggars would be too pleased about that. Just wondering is all.

Leigh Ann said...

"It was very disturbing to me when the female blessings were indeed singing the 'happy housework' song. I"

Was that the song from Enchanted?

mom in texas said...

Leigh Ann said:
"It was very disturbing to me when the female blessings were indeed singing the 'happy housework' song. I"

Was that the song from Enchanted?
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I can't say with certainty that it was or wasn't because they only played a snippet, however I don't believe that it was since anything mainstream is forbidden. It was however, one of the most creepiest things I have ever seen.