Free Discussion September 2011

Please use this for Duggar sightings, speculation, or general discussion. Note that this is Duggar discussion not other families, TV shows, politics, religion, or personal stories.   If the comment is more about you or some other issue than the actual Duggars, please rethink before sending.  Thank you!

103 comments:

Reality TV Junkie said...

I think being part of the Duggar clan is an equalizer of all things.

It makes the ones with huge amounts of potential more shy, humble, passive, and makes the ones that would be cocky, arrogant, and belittling, more caring.

Think Joy Anna. If she wasn't raised by the Duggars, she would be so outgoing, so confident. But instead she is becoming more reserved.

Now think Josh. If he wasn't raised by the Duggars, he would be a totally different person too. His ego would have to be maually deflated twice a week. Thanks goodness he is a Duggar, otherwise there would be no way he would be a Bible abiding man.

msrylee said...

With respect, I don't understand the last sentence of the first post. Because he is a Duggar makes him a Bible abiding man in what way? And if he wasn't a Duggar what type of man would he be? Would it follow that any man who shares Josh's temperament probably wouldn't or couldn't be a Bible abiding man unless raised in the Duggar beliefs?

Lisa said...

According to the blog Duggar Family Blog the Duggars have left the country on a 25 day trip.

msrylee said...

I wonder how long it took the elder female blessings to pack up the family. Did any of them help Anna? That is a very long trip for a new mom, a new-born and a toddler, and of course her "big" blessing! I wonder if Josie went with them. We will learn more in the next days, I expect.

ennvee said...

Interview with Amy regarding her so-called "career" and the big trip. Note that the trip is 25 days long and JOSIE IS GOING. What happened to that two year rule? Especially regarding taking toddlers with compromised immune systems overseas? I'd like to meet the doctor who cleared her to go. Oh wait, that's not going to be possible.

http://www.examiner.com/19-kids-and-counting-in-national/the-duggar-family-from-19-kids-counting-prepares-to-head-overseas

The family blog confirms the trip will be Scotland and Isreal.

ennvee said...

Forgot to add the link for confirmation of Isreal. Someone else put it through google translator:

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=iw&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ynet.co.il%2Farticles%2F0%2C7340%2CL-4114631%2C00.html

rcadra2 said...

Oooooh I can hardly wait for the European episode - to see what havoc Jim Bob wreaks overseas

pumpkin said...

I will be very interested to see what they think of the Holy Land... I found my faith strengthened and tested in opposite directions when I went there in 1994. I visited all the Biblical highlights (Stations of the Cross, Church of the Holy Sepulchre, Bethlehem, Capurnum, Galilee, etc.) and some of what I saw made me feel humbled and blessed, while other things I saw made me doubt the whole thing ever happened and might be just a sham. It was something that changed my life and deeply affected my spirtual life.

I have always thought it would be interesting for the Duggars to go there too. I don't envy them making that trip with the babies... traveling to the Holy Land isn't like popping to NYC for a quick visit... it's grueling and challenging and has the potential to be dangerous if you're not careful.

Since they follow a lot of the Old Testiment rules, they'll certainly have lots of company!

If they go to the beach at Eilat, there are people there who go topless ... I doubt that would be on the itinerary, but it would be funny to see their reactions to that! (Nike, much?)

Seriously? said...

The Duggars going abroad? Another US embarrassment waiting to happen.

Jim Bob must be LOVING this TLC income! "Encourage others"? Yeah, right.

It's no coincidence that the Duggar life style went from cramming WAY too many blessings, wearing pre-owned shoes and frumpy home made praerie wear, into in a tiny, rented hovel to their current well-publicized "On The Road Again!" halcyon days.

Interesting Duggar priorities being demonstrated here: while the Duggars blather on & on about how precious Josie is to them and how 'blessed' they are that she survived, they are willing to jeopardize the health of such a vulnerable micro preemie by dragging her all across the globe at this point.

I see a huge chasm between their 'talk' and their 'walk', proving once again, that those willing to film their personal family lives for a tv audience are willing to become scripted characters/brands for profit.

Time for the Duggars to find themselves on the same NO TALENT, no credibility, heap as Kate Gosselin.

mom in texas said...

rcadra2 said:Oooooh I can hardly wait for the European episode - to see what havoc Jim Bob wreaks overseas
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Ha! Very funny. Jim Bob is aloof in America so I can only imagine how he will be in Israel and Scotland. This is a long trip to be out of the country. I hope all is well for the family. I am somewhat concerned for Josie and Michael as the youngest and most fragile of the bunch. I can only assume that they were cleared by a doctor for such a extensive trip with Josie being a premature baby and Michael, a newborn.

sandi said...

I predict Jim Bob will be handing out Mt Dew and Snickers bars to the Israeli's.

hart&sole said...

Since 19 Kids and Counting is shown in the UK, albeit later than than in the States, the Duggars will be warmly welcomed, although probably not invited for tea with the queen, which would be hilarious. As for Israel I can hardly wait to hear Jim Bob's version of the holy land to the people who live there. Josh will be on a street corner preaching while Michelle and the girls hand out those $100. religious tracts. Good Lord, what a thought!!

msrylee said...

The Duggars have been often heard to be so thankful that Josie survived and how well she is doing. Now this miracle blessing is travelling for 25 days overseas. Did her doctors clear her for such a trip? My understanding was that she was to be kept away from contagious people and other threats to her immune system, for two years. How are the Duggars going to accomplish this feat during travelling and meeting scads of people? I just don't get their logic. On one hand, be grateful for her survival, and on the other hand jeopardize her health. Somehow, this doesn't encourage me one bit. JMHO.

Seriously? said...

WHY are Josh/Anna going along? Whatever happened to 'cleave and leave'?

I'm guessing they, too, have become accustomed to that fat TLC check.....

hannah said...

Josh and Anna got sick when they went on the mission trip just after they got married. I hope Josie doesn't get sick at all or anyone.


I wonder how Josh will do with Israeli good. Its pretty good.

I can just see the Duggars trying to make peace in Israel. Jim Bob and Michelle that is.

ennvee said...

According to Sean's twitter, the Duggars have landed in Scotland and will be attending the Highland Games on Sunday.

Can we hope for a windy day to blow those kilts around a bit? NIKE!

The way they snubbed Ethopian culture, I can't wait to see them get all offended at men in skirts, the bagpipes (who knows what kind of exposure they have to them) and the clog dancing. I wonder how well Michelle...errr....Jessa...errr...anyone has prepared the family for the sights they're going to see just at the Highland Games, which won't change their scheduled activities to cater to the Duggars' offense to anything remotely cultural. Even if it's their own.

Ironically, I'm reading Sir Walter Scott right now, so I already have Scotland and its cultural roots on my mind.

The trip to Isreal should be...interesting. I imagine they're going to spend the bulk of their time there and have a Christian tour guide type of itinerary in the works; they won't be venturing into the Muslim section of Jerusalem.

hart&sole said...

As I recall when the older Rolloff boys went to Scotland and bought kilts they had to vow not to wear anything under them. I believe they called it 'Going Commando.' The Duggars better hope for a day it's not breezy.

Willow #1 said...

You are so right Seriously. I was just thinking that same thing about Josh and Anna. Will they still be going with the family everywhere when they have, say for instance, 10 children? And what about the other 18? Cann all 18 AND their 10 children each still travel with mom and dad? They will have to rent an entire train! LOL.

Reality TV Junkie: That was such a good point about the equalizing factor. I agree.

ennvee said...

Oh, I'm hoping it was really windy today. :D

Read elsewhere that the Duggars were spotted in a hotel near the Royal Mile in Edinburgh yesterday. The person got a good glimpse of Jim Bob in his helmet-headed glory and saw Michelle, plus the backs of several crunchy-haired girls loaded into a tour bus this morning.

She also noted the prices at this hotel for meals and the like are NOT cheap; Jim Bob is not paying a DIME for this trip and if he can sneak in a tract or 100, might have the nerve to claim it as a "ministry" trip.

sandi said...

ennvee,who is Sean on twitter? I can't specifically find him,although I do see tlc.thanks.

ennvee said...

Sean = Sean Overbeeke, the show's producer.

Early yesterday, he tweeted that they were going to Iran, Antartica, Somalia and some other equally off the wall places and unbelievably, some people actually believed it. Given the mentality of blind trust that most Duggar fans seem to have, this doesn't surprise me, despite the insanity of the locales he posted.

He later tweeted that they'd landed in Scotland.

Seriously? said...

Oh dear lord, please tell me the Duggars are going to refrain from wearing those stupid Duggar-style bloomers beneath their kilts so they can claim UBER chastity and holiness.

Digger said...

From Twitter...
SeanOverbeeke

Moscow, India, Pakistan, Iran, Australia, Somalia and finally Antartica. This is going to be an amazing trip.
2 Sep
I think he's kidding to throw the press off. Antartica? LOL

hart&sole said...

I, too, have wondered why all of the Duggars attend every event as a family. The two older boys have businesses to attend to and Jana, Jill and John David are volunteer firefighters and first responders, in addition to whatever time College Plus takes. When do the younger kids receive home schooling?

Digger said...

I think it's great that Josh and John are going on this trip. They spent a lot of their childhood building the house that Josh didn't even get to live in for very long. The younger kids get to enjoy the labor of Josh and John's sacrifices.
I say Jim Bob and Michelle owe Josh, John, and the older girls a special big trip of their own to pay them back for all their hard work in the early days. Leave the little kids home with a few nannies (Amy) and go.

ennvee said...

Footage of the Duggars at the Scottish Highland Parade and Ratthray in Perthshire, Scotland. The Duggars come in around :40. Joy looks miserable, Anna looks just awful, but check out Grandma rocking the PANTS! And Smuggar, attenpting the all-so-trendy (not just among fundies, it's a male grad-student fave as well) chinstrap beard.

And of course Jim Bob, always respective of the culture, wearing a Razorbacks jacket.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTsf08MxHaw

ennvee said...

Oops! I meant respectFUL, not "respective." I knew it was wrong when I was typing, but the right word was not forthcoming.

I actually have to write a paper today. Now I know I'll need to have the thesaurus handy. :/

organicows said...

In response to the footage of the Duggars in Scotland, Grandma did look good in the pants, from what I can tell. Maybe she wears the skirts only for filming days. Or do we have footage from the episodes of her in pants?

ennvee said...

Sean's latest tweet states that they're headed to Ireland.

Not much of a stay in Scotland, was it? Amy says (so I hear, I'm not going to flatter her by reading her FB) that she doesn't know exactly where they're headed; they were just told what to bring. I'm not sure if that means for the entire trip or whether it means to pack for a couple of days (and TLC will schlep the rest of their baggage for them to Isreal or the location after Ireland).

I earlier surmised that they'd spend the bulk of the trip in Isreal, but only two days in Scotland? That's not a trip, it's a pit stop.

If they really ARE headed to Ireland, I hope they get footage of Jim Bob and Josh kissing the blarney stone; they're already full of it. Maybe it'll have the reverse effect on them. :D

Seriously? said...

re: "Smugger Duggar" - LOL! As is Josh in his reported chinstrap beard. A beard now...AS IF he's all grown up now (only by Duggar standards) and feeling all Patriarch-ish. What a joke.

Seriously? said...

Who minds the carlot whilst Joshie is globe trotting on TLC's dime?

Amanda said...

I have to say, after watching the video that envee posted, it is really doing Michelle a world of good to not be pregnant! She looks so much better than she has in a long time.

I feel for Anna. She does look really miserable.

mom in texas said...

Thanks ennvee for the post of the video with the Duggars in Scotland. I am not familiar with this event but I am guessing it's customary for only Scottish dignitaries to walk in the parade? Maybe the Duggars were the invited guest? Whatever the case, you were spot on with your observations. Anna, in particular, looks tired and miserable. Not in a unkept way but the way any mother of a newborn and a toddler would. This is a daunting task for a mom at home in her comfort zone. I can only imagine it must be rough to take care of two under 2 halfway around the world in a foreign country. How many times have they taken Michael on the road since he's been born? Most parents don't take a newborn out the house for weeks after they are born. This poor child has been dragged everywhere since day one. My heart goes out to Anna but I guess this is all in the contract. At first it seemed to me that Josh and Anna would put their foot down and not be a part of the gravy train but it seems to have increased since the second pregnancy. No woman could possibly want to constantly travel while pregnant, nursing, taking care of an infant/toddler, etc. Nothing seems to be sacred in this clan.It is almost sad.

Also,if Josh is away for almost a month, assuming Josh and Anna stay for the whole 25 days, who is running the car lot(s)? I know that they have employees but I hope they are compensated handsomely for running the show while Josh vacations.

Hannah said...

I bet Anna is tired due to the time change. 2 very young children is not easy.It does not seem like gets much help at night. One of the old boys seemed to be carrying Mack

Digger said...

I am amazed that Josh grew a beard!!! I wonder what Jim Bob said about that. Jim Bob made a comment to John David once when he was a little scruffy to shave. I wonder if Josh is rebelling or just trying to hide his pudgy face. It looks good though. I hope John grows his hair out. It's way to short and makes his hair look thin.

sandi said...

Couldn't Josh wear the baby carrier and give poor Anna a break? She looked like Michael was getting heavy.And JoyAnna was just plain making faces.It was good to see Michelle smiling,happy and enjoying herself though.
As far as Josh,I thought Gothard dicated no facial hair?

msrylee said...

Anna does look very tired and miserable. As it has been stated before, it is difficult enough for a new mom with a newborn and toddler (plus a larger child) to cope in her own home. She must just be exhausted. I also thought she and Josh would not be part of the reality show after having babies, but a contract is a contract. Another "mommie" in a reality show has been harshly criticized for exploiting her brood, but isn't that what the Duggars are doing? I'm certain it isn't in his best interest for Michael to be dragged around several countries for nearly a month. JMHO.

Mrs. Duggar Senior looks so good in pants. Way to go Grandma!!

Beth said...

Thanks for the video. I have to say it - Anna carried Michael for nine months. Could Josh have worn the baby carrier instead?

It will be interesting to see more of their "big adventure" when the show is put together and aired.

Digger said...

I thought Anna looked like she wanted to kill the drummers if they woke up the baby.

I'm betting TLC hired a great baby nurse or two to accompany the Duggars. They have 4 kids age two and under on this trip.

Alberta Rose said...

The beauty of home schooling is lessons can take anyplace. For that matter, any parent can choose to teach their child in addition to what they learn in school. Frank and Lillian Gilbreth managed to juggle engineering careers and supplementing the public school education of their twelve children during the early 1900's. In more recent times, neither my brother nor I realized the sneaky way my parents were supplementing our public school education.

ennvee said...

I seriously doubt Jessa is going to have the younger kids write papers about their trip once they return home. Jim Bob and Michelle care more about holding hands and cooing than they do about the current education of their children (most of which, as I noted above) has been passed along to Jessa, barely out of the "schoolroom" herself.

On a sillier note, I'm not sure if the pic will show up, but Sean tweeted a pic of a table with Guinness beer yesterday.

http://yfrog.com/h8hwnvvj

Amy responded by saying, "I'm telling!" Now Sean's twitter has been shut down to "private " status as has Amy's facebook wall after she apparently complained that Jim Bob only "allowed" her to take one carry-on for this trip; on checked luggage.

If there was doubt about the kerfuffle a couple months ago about facebook and the role it played, forcing the Kellers to make their profiles private and for Amy to scrub her account clean and form a fanpage, this latest little bit of harmless social media is pretty conclusive. TLC controls them all.

Now that the initial fuss has died down, Susanna Keller's facebook wall is now open again. Probably a sign that she will no longer be a part of the show.

ennvee said...

NO checked luggage. I shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a keyboard. :D

I also don't buy it. One bag for 25 days and TLC footing the bill? I think not, Ames.

Seriously? said...

"The beauty of home schooling is lessons can take anyplace. For that matter, any parent can choose to teach their child in addition to what they learn in school"

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Home schooling presents no more opportunity than public schooling as far as allowing parents to provide lessons in a myriad of ways and places in addition to their schooling.

The Gilbreths were forward thinking in their day. The Duggars, not so much.

hart&sole said...

For sure trips and new experiences supplement either a home schooled or public schooled child. The key word here is 'supplement.' I would love to know the actual grade level of the younger children, like from Josiah down to JoHanna. There is no possible way they could be doing any actual school work with their current schedule.

Anonymous said...

I'm not a fan and don't know much about the show but I just saw the family yesterday (September 7th) near Trinity College in Dublin. No cameras just the family.

sandi said...

I saw the beer pic but I just assumed it was for the crew. I suspect the Dggars do just as they say and don't drink,as least as far as those under Jim Bob's roof are concerned.

msrylee said...

I totally agree that the key word is "supplement" with regard to enhancing and adding to either public/private/faith-based or home-schooled children. However, I also find it very difficult to believe that the younger blessings are receiving the education that Michelle provided the eldest blessings. JMO. I don't think Jessa will quiz the younger blesssings about their extended over-seas trip upon arrival at home. How long before another opportunity comes along to travel, witness and encourage others? Again, JMO. My personal thought is that education is lower on the priority list for the blessings than at the beginning of their show.

ennvee said...

The beer pic was definitely the crew. Wouldn't you need one (or 20) after dealing with the Duggars on a close basis for days on end?

Amy tweeted Sean that she was "telling," a definite implication that the Duggars are well isolated from the doings of the crew when they have down-time.

i-like-pie said...

While they are at Trinity College in Dublin, I wonder if they will homeschool the children about notable graduate Jonathan Swift, who satirically suggested using excess children as food.

ennvee said...

Hee. "A Modest Proposal" is one of my favorite political essays.

Apparently, they visited a pig farm on their last day in Ireland. Don't they have those, in abundance, in Arkansas? Isn't pig farming the reason the university's school mascot is a hog? While in a foreign country, isn't the idea to enjoy NEW experiences? I know TLC planned this, likely as a joke, but still, really lame when your highlight of the day is riding a pig.

They should be in London by now. Sad they're doing what sounds like a "drive-by" in these places, although it sounds like they may actually spend the weekend in London. I hope so; so far, their pace has been nothing short of grueling, even for a seasoned adult traveler. At this rate, someone WILL get sick.

I'm still ticked off that they took Josie, or any kid under age 6 for that matter. They're only there for the spectacle; there's no way they'll remember this, other than as they see themselves in pictures 10 years from now.

WhateverDuggarsWant... said...

Well, if Josh is so fickle that abiding by the bible is strictly from being told to at his life stage, then it hardly counts as genuine. So I wouldn’t be “thankful” he’s a Duggar based on that!

As for Josie traveling… health rules (or any rules) simply don’t apply to the Duggars, remember? They’ve removed themselves from society (unless they need something from it) and therefore, even if it’s a biological risk for Josie, God will protect her (because He’s got no bigger fish to fry).

I’m tired of seeing them NOT WORKING. I doubt this doesn’t inconvenience employees and customers. But once again – Duggars have their own rules which can only exist but for the grace of others enforcing the rules the Duggars judgmentally reject.

Still doing the show to “encourage others”? Puh-leeze. If that were the case, they wouldn’t have had that ABC guy come over and profile them – they would have just referred him to their books and series which has done so countless times already. If they were as generous as they claim, the non-schooling bigger kids would make volunteering a career, they’d accept fewer trips from TLC and suggest the budget be donated to a cause while Josie is vulnerable, and they’d actually DO something on those “missions”. (Sorry, but if they think doing the work takes locals’ jobs, then they shouldn’t go and instead spend those TENS OF THOUSANDS of traveling $ toward the project itself, including paying MORE locals to get the jobs done FASTER at a better SALARY. Money money money.

sandi said...

ennvee said: The beer pic was definitely the crew. Wouldn't you need one (or 20) after dealing with the Duggars on a close basis for days on end?
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most definitely! :)

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Amy tweeted Sean that she was "telling," a definite implication that the Duggars are well isolated from the doings of the crew when they have down-time.

yes, I saw that and I wish she would just be quiet.I'm blocked now as well. :(

Anonymous said...

I wonder how TLC is feeling about Amy posting photos of the trip on her twitter. She is such a twit.

msrylee said...

I couldn't agree more with the post from WhateverDuggarsWant. If Josh is abiding by the Bible because that is what he has been told to do,it doesn't make his beliefs genuine at all in my opinion. If he thoroughly studied, researched and searched his own heart and still felt his parents' beliefs are truly his, then so be it. My understanding of the Gothard/Duggar beliefs is that they don't allow for questioning at all. Perhaps I misunderstood this. This doesn't make me thankful that he is a Duggar.

Many men and women follow the Bible, based on their own beliefs, and are not Duggars nor have been raised in the Gothard/Duggar ways. Being raised a Duggar doesn't make any one of those blessings better than the rest of us, more holy, and Bible-abiding. JMO.

Seriously? said...

"Wouldn't you need one (or 20) after dealing with the Duggars on a close basis for days on end?"

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OMG, a resounding YES to that one! (And I don't even like beer!)

The platitudes, judgement, and holier than thou attitude that define the Duggars would be more than I am willing to endure for even 30 minutes on tv, muchless up close and personal for days on end.

It really rankles me how the Duggars want to try to have everyone else forced into living by THEIR belief systems (Michelle's showily tearful protests against a local store's liquor license).

To the TLC filming crew, I say: drink up! It might help and certainly can't hurt (despite the much-published Duggar anti-alcohol stand).

HappyCamper said...

I'm sure it won't happen traveling with a tv crew and all but I'd love to see the customs and immigration people grill them about visiting the pig farm the way they grilled us about visiting a cow farm/play area/petting zoo on our vacation to England.

sandi said...

At time-stamp 1:45,you can see the girls all looking at Jana when asked if there is any courting in the works,and as they go to the next segment,Jana clearly mouthes the words 'there was'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Xv-s7dbKms

Reality TV Junkie said...

"At time-stamp 1:45,you can see the girls all looking at Jana when asked if there is any courting in the works,and as they go to the next segment,Jana clearly mouthes the words 'there was'."

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I watched the video and noticed that too. I'd like to believe she did say "there was", but she also could have said so many other things.

sandi said...

RealityTvJunkie,it looks like a very clear 'there was' to me.Esp. in response to the question asked,and the way the other girls looked at her and their responses as well.

mom in texas said...

After watching the youtube replay Jana clears says something that appears to be "there was" and Jessa even imitates her but the audio sort of cuts out on both girls comments so we are left to speculate. One thing I notice is though Jana doesn't appear to be sad like I originally thought. She appears to answer in a lighthearted way. We can only guess as to who that young man may have been.

roxs81 said...

Just cheked the Bates blog and the Duggars are back, they went water tubing with the Bates Family

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hart&sole said...

what about a Lawson Bates, Jana Duggar courtship. Jana is about a year older than Lawson, but I doubt that matters. He seems financially sound and he's becoming downright handsome. Just a thought!

mom in texas said...

rox81 said:Just cheked the Bates blog and the Duggars are back, they went water tubing with the Bates Family.
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I saw those pics a few days ago and I assumed they are from the recent visit the Duggars made before going to Europe and Israel. The trip is scheduled for 25 days so there is no way they're back already. Also the duggarfamilyblog.com is keeping track of the Duggars trip. According to the site, the clan is still overseas.

sandi said...

hart,yes Lawson seems very sweet (he's the one who joyfully loans money to the rest of the family)and is a great shopper and money manager as well.He would be a good catch for any of the Duggar girls,imo,and it woud be great to see a Duggar-Bates courtship or more.maybe someday?

Reality TV Junkie said...

"what about a Lawson Bates, Jana Duggar courtship. Jana is about a year older than Lawson, but I doubt that matters. He seems financially sound and he's becoming downright handsome. Just a thought"
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Honestly, I think the age will matter. Because the Duggar family values male dominance, I don't think they would want a daughter to marry a younger man.

hart&sole said...

No offense, but I can't see Jana Duggar threatening Lawson Bates' male dominance. She is the least dominant of the Duggar girls. Doesn't matter anyway, I sincerely doubt either Jana or Lawson care a whit about my ideas for their future. It's just kind of fun to speculate.

msrylee said...

I think the Duggars would have an issue with the age difference, and Mr. and Mrs. Bates probably would as well.

Ruby said...

In the youtube video of the Scottish parade, of course Jim Bob had no child to attend to, and Michelle was merely holding the hand of one of the girls who looks to be about 5. Joyanna, Jana and one of the boys were each carrying a baby or toddler. Did they conceive and give birth to those children, or did JimBob and Michelle? Bringing up the rear is a miserable-looking Anna carrying Michael while her husband walked along without a care in the world. He didn't even bother to take care of Mckynzie - one of the other kids had her.
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hart&sole said...

This is the answer I got when I asked about an older woman marrying a younger man. "To our knowledge, that has never been taught by Mr. Gothard. Some may have that preference, but if their security in the relationship is based merely on age… that would seem to be a shaky relationship"

londonbridges said...

Just because men have the ability to procreate does not make them good fathers. IMO, Josh should have carried the baby, or taken charge of Mykenzie (sp?). JimBob should have taken charge of one of the little blessings. Same goes for Michelle. JMO.

mom in texas said...

This is the answer I got when I asked about an older woman marrying a younger man. "To our knowledge, that has never been taught by Mr. Gothard. Some may have that preference, but if their security in the relationship is based merely on age… that would seem to be a shaky relationship"
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I recently came across some other families with similar practices and beliefs as the Duggars and the discussion of age came up. In particular older women/younger men courtship. Although it is not encouraged due to the desire for women to be younger so that reproduction can be easier (ideally), it does however happen. Especially in the case when the couple is older, 35+, and are just marrying. It is almost a desperation type situation. The woman marries a slightly younger man so that she can be married. This apparently has been the case with a few families who are in the Duggar circle. Despite what a few of the more visible families display, there are quite a few who don't marry in their late teens, early 20s.

sandi said...

This is JMO regarding the parade,but I wonder if TLC didn't want Jim Bib and Michelle carrying any of the little ones (not that they ever do,but..)so they could have their hands free to wave.They are the head stars of the show,so to speak,just as it appears they purposely had Josh and Anna 'bringing up the rear'.This is just a thought.

ennvee said...

Location update: As of yesterday (the 24th) most of the family was back on US soil, helping victims of the spring tornadoes in Alabama rebuild. From what I read, it sounds like Anna went home with the kids.

I'll be curious if they're helping a couple of Vision Forum (Doug Phillips; the Christian movie festival promoter) families who lost pretty much everything (and one had the nerve to beg for specific items on her blog, once settled at a friend's house). The other family lost their patriarch, leaving 9 or 10 kids behind and didn't beg for anything (Dougie did it for him through his website).

At any rate, the big news is that as of yesterday (Saturday), Michelle, Jill and Josie were still in Isreal. Why? BECAUSE JOSIE GOT SICK and it sounds like she's hospitalized.

Can't say we didn't this coming due to the non-stop traveling that would be too much for most adults, let alone a toddler with a compromised immune system.

Get well soon, Josiecat!

Seriously? said...

"At any rate, the big news is that as of yesterday (Saturday), Michelle, Jill and Josie were still in Isreal. Why? BECAUSE JOSIE GOT SICK and it sounds like she's hospitalized."

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Raise your hand if you find this news at all surprising.

ennvee said...

Update #2: After the Duggars spent a day with Habitat for Humanity (the facebook page has pics of girls running around construction sites in flip flops...shocker, I know), the following article confirms the Duggar presence minus Michelle, Jill and Josie, who were noted to be "returning" from Isreal. The article was very careful not to mention illness or date of expected return. I'm sure it was fed to the writer by the Duggar PR machine. At any rate, it appears the Josie illness is unfortunately more than a rumor that got a thread on the FB page deleted when realists criticized the Duggars and the defenders couldn't see anything wrong with dragging Josie on a month-long odyssey.

Article written today (25th) with a picture confirming the absence of Michelle, Jill and Josie as reported.

http://blog.al.com/breaking/2011/09/19_future_astronauts_and_count.html

birth right to isreal said...

Poor Josie. I have never been to Isreal, but I do know sevreal people who live there.


I don`t get why they would even go. Its not a safe place with the war. I feel bad for poor Josie. I mean do they even have a transalator person to aide them in the hosptial.

sandi said...

wonder if they'll be airing THAT (Josie's illness) on the show.any guesses? would they want to hide it,or would it make for more viewers?

rcadra2 said...

I can't believe poor baby Michael is in Alabama with the rest of the circus troupe. How can you justify dragging a baby around like that? He's three months old now and probably has only slept in his own crib a night or two.

I wonder what the turnaround time was after the European trip. One day? The little kids must have been miserable. Did they even get to recover fro the jet lag? But there are beds on the bus so I guess they were just tossed in there to sleep.

I'm almost afraid to ask - who is running the car lot? Or the towing company? Are these even real businesses?

And poor poor Josie. If I was Jim Bob I couldn't even imagine leaving the country while she was still in the hospital. But hey, you gotta get to the next circus gig. Maybe this is a sign from above that they ought to slow down.

londonbridges said...

It makes me so angry that the Duggars took Josie with them for 25 days overseas. They seem to take it for granted that God will protect her and therefore can go against the doctors who told them Josie needed to be kept away from germs and germy people for 2 years. I don't understand how on one hand they can praise God for this miracle, and on the other hand not protect her. JMHO.

Delta88 said...

It's an absolute miracle (yes, God protects the Duggars more than other mere mortal families) that none of those children have gotten seriously ill or been seriously injured with the cavalier way their parents behave (including Josh and Anna).

No little baby should be galavanting around for 25 days overseas, and then be subjected to days on a bus with his 18 aunts and uncles all sneezing at him. No premie should have gone at all. Period. End of Story.

Let's hope that Josie comes home healthy and well. It can be rough to travel such a long distance (it's probably 10 hours from Israel to AK) even when one is feeling well. To be immune compromised and/or recovering from an illness/hospitalization and travel that length of time is literally hell. I've done it, and I was an adult who could communicate. Just imagine the misery of a small baby/toddler who still will not be 100% well, even when she is released from the hospital. She should be home resting, not flying for half a day with a bunch of other germy people.

Those parents are brainless.

londonbridges said...

I couldn't agree more Delta88. God does seem to protect all the Duggars more than most families, however, He could do with some logical assistance. Oops, logical thinking isn't apparently high on the Duggar educational totem pole. If it was, at least Josie and Michael would have stayed home, perhaps with those under five. JMHO is all.

Kav said...

Whether or not they show images of them still in Israel after everyone went home will depend on the crew, and if they also changed their plans and spit up or not. There is nothing wrong with taking a 3 month over seas. I am sure they had doctor's numbers and other stuff in case something did happen and they needed advice from a doctor. If they went away and left Josie home people would complain about that too.

Seriously? said...

"... logical thinking isn't apparently high on the Duggar educational totem pole. If it was, at least Josie and Michael would have stayed home, perhaps with those under five."

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I agree. While they remind us constantly of how holy they are, they are selling out even their youngest 'blessings' in order to keep that TLC $ coming in.

Your point about those under 5 yrs of age staying home is well taken, as I'm doubting a long-term journey like that at those ages is not worth all the disruption in their young lives.

Taking Josie and Michael, is, IMO, especially dumb, considering the vulnerability of these babies. The Duh!ggars for taking such stupid chances with such defenseless little one.

londonbridges said...

Yes, people would talk if Josie had been left home. And who really cares about others' opinions? The bottom line is that the Duggars were told to keep Josie away from germs for two years. The best choice for Josie health-wise should always be the top priority in my opinion.

Seriously? said...

"Yes, people would talk if Josie had been left home."

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You're right. And the reason is: maybe, with such a vulnerable baby as Josie, the best thing for the child would be for the parents to put off these TLC-funded trips unless and until Josie is older and, hopefully, less prone to disease.

I'm sure Michelle will claim the dr gave Josie a clean bill of health to travel the globe. But I don't believe it for a second.

Yes, Virginia, the Duggars lie. By omission and commission.

Michelle said...

I have been a Duggar fan since the original "14 Kids.." segment was aired years ago. I have watched this entire family really "sell out", in terms of their beliefs. They not only live the high life now, wear new Abercrombie and other pricey, fashionable clothing (what ever happend to buy-used-and-save-the-difference?), globetrotting (literally), books, appearances, ect. It's all too much.
I believe the appeal of this family in the beginning was how "back-to-basics" this family was. That is what appealed to me. I was astonished that Michelle Duggar was able to handle all those children - and in such a controlled manner as well. It was refreshing to see some old-fashioned values.

Now, when I catch an episode, it makes me sick to see how they have become.

I also cannot find one thing that Michelle does - aside from getting pregnant and pushing out child after child. All the chores are assigned to the children, the older girls do the cooking, the boys do the manual labor, and the Internet "teaches" the home school curriculum. I am at a loss for WHAT Michelle REALLY does.

Jim Bob is clearly not college educated, his grammar is horrible. Michelle was not college-educated either, so what made her able to teach school to the older kids? (before they decided to just sit the kids in front of the Internet).

I could go on and on.

Does anyone know how much they make per episode, or how much they got from their book(s)? I would be curious to know.

I have also (and bear with me, as this is very random), have wondered to myself if one of the Duggar girls will go crazy one day, and do a Playboy layout. Someone mentioned one of the kids doing a "tell-all" book - and I can see that as well. Anyone else agree? I believe it would be a bestseller, no doubt. I think we all want to know what REALLY happens in that house after the camera crew goes home....

Kav said...

They were told this at a time when her health was a lot different. Doctors opinions and suggestions change over time based on health and many other different things. It was not set in stone.

Maude said...

I hope TLC paid the bills. Josie had a pediatrician with her on the flight home.
http://www.terem.com/en/news/27-%D7%A1%D7%A4%D7%98%D7%9E%D7%91%D7%A8-2011/duggars-come-terem

Sarah said...

I have never heard of a foreign doctor accompanying someone one a plane home. Josie must have been really sick to warrant that.

Anonymous said...

Love the site, first time posting. It makes me so angry that the Duggars have decided their travel/preaching (whatever they're doing) should take precedence over the health of their very fragile micro preemie. Could your trip to Israel not wait a few years? Is is so important to go right at this moment that you jeopardized her health? My sister had a preemie (born at 30 weeks) a few years back and was also told by a team of doctors to keep her out of public places, daycares, etc. for two years. Her immune system would not be normally developed until then. The difference is that she actually took the advice to heart and did just that, at great personal sacrifice to herself and the rest of the family. But, her health was top priority. She never had to be rehospitialized or had any other major illnesses and hasn't to this day. Such a cavalier attitude regarding such a fragile (lucky to be here) little baby. Makes me sick. Shame on them.

rcadra2 said...

Why do I have the feeling that the doctor was with Josie (who hopefully wasn't in some sort of medical transport situation) while Michelle was walking through the plane posing for photos and hugging all her fans?

Andrea said...

Wanted: Support Group for Individuals trying to rid themselves of the desire to watch the Duggar’s on TV. I’m serious. Firstly, they’re boring. Secondly, the adult children should be out in the world living their own lives. I mean college, dorms, visits to the mall, maybe some travel that doesn’t involve “spreading the word,” part time jobs, friend that aren’t (gasp) Christian, etc. It doesn’t mean: caring for children (unless in the name of paid employment), cleaning (unless it’s your own apartment), sleeping in the same room with toddlers / small children and the list goes on from there. Finally, can laws please be enacted to prevent the exploitation of children in reality TV? I feel ill thinking I’ve contributed to the exploitation of children because money is not being held in trust until they reach adulthood. Laws exist to protect child actors, why not children of reality tv?

ennvee said...

Someone asked Amy how Josie was doing on her facebook "fanpage." Amy replied that we'd have to wait and see because it was going to become an episode of the show.

Thankfully, some people called her out for exploiting Josie's health for Amy's and her uncle's famewhoring ways. And not for the first time; they replayed the seizure episode yesterday during the marathon and I was fuming as the film crew managed to show up at the hospital in time for the EMT's to wheel Josie into the ER.

I am still incensed that they took Josie on this mega-trip in the first place. But Jim Bob has to have all his ducks in a row to promote his dog and pony show on the road, doncha know. Ugh.

SisiL78 said...

Wow, they are going to Israel?
I'm not surprised and it might be the first time I've watched the program in a while. I usually just enjoy reading about them on this blog :-)

What I wonder is whether or not they will acknowledge anything Jewish in Israel. I sorta wonder if they won't find some ultra orthodox family for them to hang with... A family with a similar number of kids or something... I'm not sure how that would turn out of course.
I was a bit put off when they went to that Ethiopian restaurant and the kids acted like they were on another planet or something. The Duggars, like many Americans are unable to process or experience other cultures.

I'll be interested in seeing them go abroad... Can't wait to hear everyone's opinions too!!! :-)

ncgirl said...

There's been some media coverage of Josie's illness. The National Enquirer had someone claiming her oxygen levels went too low, but Jim Bob said it was just a cold. On TMZ, there's a video of a happy Josie after the medical crisis. I guess the Duggars are doing damage control.

Kav said...

Or the media is doing what the media does. Talking about stuff without facts and research. There is video from in Israel after she was sick, so she is obviously fine from that.

Delta88 said...

That video of Josie could have been taken any time. We don't know that it was taken after they got back from Israel (my bets are no, it was from before, since I'm sure Josie is still recovering).

Again. there isn't a doctor in the world that flies home with a patient for a "cold". Not one. Not even for the Duggars.

So Jim Bob is full of you know what. Josie was a sick little girl, and a doctor accompanied her on the flight home because she was actually too unstable to fly. He was there to administer whatever medicines or treatments she needed to make it through that long flight.

If Josie only needed oxygen, she could have flown without a doctor for that. Also, there are nurse medical escort services, for less severe problems. A true MD is used more for like a medical ambulance. So that's what Josie needed. A medical ambulance. One surely doesn't need that for a cold.

londonbridges said...

It is my opinion that we will be told what TLC and the Duggars choose. Who knows what spin will be put on Josie's illness? We will have to wait and see.

Anonymous said...

Michelle talks out of both sides of her mouth. She says that Josie is fragile, which she is, but then they choose to take her to Europe. Come on, Duggars! We're not the idiots that you take us for. That baby would not have needed a dr. to fly back with her, if she had a simple cold. TLC is going to downplay her illness, and that's wrong.

londonbridges said...

I think that Josie was indeed a very ill little girl while overseas. JimBob downplayed her "cold" illness, as the Duggars tend to do, especially as many here have been critical (including myself) that she went on this marathon trip at all. I suspect we may get a version of the truth, but not the whole truth. In religious circles, this is called a sin of omission. JMHO.

Seriously? said...

"Michelle talks out of both sides of her mouth. She says that Josie is fragile, which she is, but then they choose to take her to Europe. Come on, Duggars! We're not the idiots that you take us for."

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WE are not the idiots. Parents willing to risk the wellbeing of such a fragile baby are the idiots. ESPECIALLY the oh-so-holy ones who always blather about how very precious each of their 'blessings' is (yet never put their kids' rights and needs first).

hart&sole said...

I thought it was not possible to fly commercial with oxygen other than an oxygen concentrator.

Maybe the Israeli government did not want to take the slightest chance that something serious was wrong with Josie and over reacted?Just a guess.