Free Discussion March 2013

Please use this for Duggar and Bates sightings, speculation, or general discussion. Note that this is Duggar discussion not other families, TV shows, politics, religion, or personal stories. If the comment is more about you or some other issue than the actual Duggars or Bateses or other families seen on the show, please rethink before sending. Thank you!

156 comments:

Rudy Tecat said...

The Duggars are back on Xfinity On Demand

Ty's Mom said...

Josh posted on his instagram that they'll be on the today show next Monday morning. Maybe they'll finally make the "big announcement"?

Pam said...

Ha ha, I just saw that Ty's Mom. I wonder if Anna will be in labor already??? She has to be pretty far along.

Betty said...

My best guess is that Anna is around six months along.

hello said...

I guess they couldn't say anything about Anna being pregnant before they could go on the Today Show to announce it. This just proves to me that Josh thinks he is a celebrity. Any bets on where they will show Anna giving birth this time?

MandySue said...

Anonymous hello said...
I guess they couldn't say anything about Anna being pregnant before they could go on the Today Show to announce it. This just proves to me that Josh thinks he is a celebrity. Any bets on where they will show Anna giving birth this time?
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In a pool in the living room so the kids can be a part of it. And the film crew can get around easier.

Of course it will be one of those little blow up pools from Wal-Mart because ya know they are all the same.

Not A Fan said...

I Hope this time if she feels she has to GO, they talk her out of GOING and just deal with the possible GOING during the birth. It was not till I was about 9cm that I felt I had to GO, they would not let me and as many new moms I had to wait till it was time to deliver. It is not the most beautiful moment in the world, but it's all part of it. Why would any one in their right mind not have checked her in the first place and then allow her to GO? These people are so ignorant. I just don't understand how they can have so many children and not know to NOT let her GO.

Melissa said...

Just saw the advertisement for the Duggars to be on the Today show on Monday. Well I was wrong! They haven't learned their lesson...they thing they're better than everyone else and can save their "announcements" for national TV. THIS SHOW NEEDS TO GO!

londonbridges said...

I really don't know how a toilet birth can be topped, but there must be a way. IMHO it is past time for this 'show' to end.

sandi said...

>Why would any one in their right mind not have checked her in the first place and then allow her to GO? These people are so ignorant. I just don't understand how they can have so many children and not know to NOT let her GO.
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I was thinking the same thing.Even Mama June,Homey Boo Boo's mom,knew not to let her daughter go to the bathroom,lest she have the baby in there.Shouldn't a midwife know that? I was baffled at the comment "if you have to go,we can go,and be done with it". That's not quite how it always works when someone is that far along.Just another reason these things should be private.Didn't Josh and Anna think of that when they decided to let it be filmed? A private filming is so much more different from an entire film crew coming into your home to film the whole birth! I hope she gets some privacy this time,but I wouldn't bet on it.

hello said...

Maybe they can film Anna giving birth in one of the cars on Josh's car lot. Might bring in some business as Josh just seems to be playing at running it. He takes a lot of time off to film with the family to get his face on their show.

hannah said...

I hope they the today show just for the new season. Its seems Josh is always away or out. Its not going to any easier on Anna. How old is Mack? 2 or 3

Marites H. said...

Any news yet on Baby Waller? I think today is Priscilla's due date. Hope everything goes OK with the delivery. Not sure if these two are mentally capable of caring for a newborn.

Melissa said...

I truly hope that David and Priscilla decided on a private birth. However, since they allowed their wedding to be shown on TLC, I wouldn't be surprised if they show the birth on TLC as well...

flowerchild said...

Ok even if Priscilla is a little slow, which I don't think she is, I think she has the right to love and a family. Personally I think she is afraid for saying the wrong thing a carefully gauging and choosing her words. Quiverful lifestyle often is built on fear and punishment. But saying she's slow or daft doesn't mean she couldnt care for a child.

tulip said...

Why do the Duggars let their kids climb all over dining room tables and kitchen counters?! Pic on Instagram shows Michael standing on the dining room table (and wearing shoes, I hope Anna gets out the Lysol.) There have been several pics posted in the past of the kids standing, sitting, laying on the dining room table or counter. I am really tired of people putting Anna on a pedestal-of course she loves her kids, but she is in no way a mentor mom, no matter how old she is, I've seen her do unsafe, strange, and clueless things. All moms will do things or if they don't have much experience, but Anna (and Josh) act like because they're from "a large family" they're ready to be looked up to and at such a young age. When Mack was a newborn, Anna praised that Josh knew so much and blah, blah. Cut to the very next scene, Josh is struggling to lock the car seat in the base, jostling around baby Mack as he's knocking and bumping the carrier everywhere except where it's supposed to be. I can only imagine the learning curve of David & Priscilla, esp. if they too think they know "what they're doing."

Amanda said...

Mack is 3, because my oldest just turned three and she is older than him.

hannah said...

Anna is pregnant and seems to be six months along.

Rachel HM said...

There is another Duggar on the way for anna!

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20680580,00.html

Looks like she will at least be in a birthing center, thank goodness.

Stephanie said...

You made me smile! That's a great idea. Lol

But actually I think they kinda wanted Michael born on the book tour bus for the publicity.

Alberta Rose said...

Rachel HM said...
There is another Duggar on the way for anna!

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20680580,00.html

Looks like she will at least be in a birthing center, thank goodness.

Something must be wrong if she's going to use a birthing center, unless she's going there because it's the only way her SILs can help bring the baby into the world. She's had two successful homebirths, no reason not to have a third one at home.

Marites H. said...

Are they calling this baby #3, or do they count the miscarried baby as #3? I'm curious about Priscilla's birthing plan.

Elspeth said...

I can think of several perfectly good reasons for going to a birthing center. Maybe she just wants to go there so she won't have to prepare/clean up the house. Maybe it will give her more privacy. Perhaps, perish the thought, they'll actually have trained people on staff instead of a doula and apprentice Jill. They might even have some pain relief methods. She had a tough time with Michael at home so just maybe she knows what she's doing.

Pam said...

Just because she's had two successful home births is NO indication she will have a third. Anything can happen at any time. You can have a hospital/birthing center birth with minimal intervention, but if issues come up, they can be dealt with. If I had opted for a home birth (never would have), my son and I would both be dead.

Nancy said...

I'm sure the "birthing center" plans will suddenly change, the way plans for a hospital birth changed when Dr. Sarver was on vacation and the doctor on call for Mack was male.

People need to get PAID here; will the birhing center allow cameras? Will TLC have to shell out to film there?

Totally expect another homebirth.

Judy said...

Is there any reason why, when someone in the Duggar family is pregnant, they say "expecting" instead of "pregnant"?

Penny said...

Babies, Babies, Babies-so does this mean that at least 4 Keller sisters were pregnant at the same time-Susanna, Esther, Priscilla and Anna. David and Pricilla on prior post-Adam and Valerie are expecting a little baby-but nothing on Adam and Valerie website announcing the good news. Also Valerie's brother,Joe who married 2 weeks after her, he and his wife Mary Jane had their baby in January 2013.

Rachel HM said...

Anna's home births seem like total disasters, and there are no medical professionals present. Adding a midwife to the homebirth mix, or moving to a birthing center seems like the best for everyone.

Michelle (not Duggar) said...

Did anyone see JimBoob's comment about Anna getting to three kids (comparing it to when he and Michelle went from 1 to 3). He called it a "good start". OMG For most people, 3 kids is a good place to call it quits! I know, I know, you can have as many kids as you want, but can you imagine your father-in-law saying that? Hasn't he wrecked enough "reproductive systems"??

Alberta Rose said...

Elspeth said...
I can think of several perfectly good reasons for going to a birthing center. Maybe she just wants to go there so she won't have to prepare/clean up the house. Maybe it will give her more privacy. Perhaps, perish the thought, they'll actually have trained people on staff instead of a doula and apprentice Jill. They might even have some pain relief methods. She had a tough time with Michael at home so just maybe she knows what she's doing.

She's had trained people at the other two births. As for pain relief, repositioning, acupressure, hot towels, breathing, visualization, verbal encouragement, massage can be done anywhere. Pain relief doesn't have to mean getting a shot in the back that can kill you. Unless she's only going to allow her husband, her doula, and midwife at the birth, she's not going to have anymore privacy at a birth centre then she would at home. She would have more privacy at a birthing centre than at a hospital, given how long her last labour was. She'd go through at least two shift changes if she had a 24 hour labour at a hospital, thus experiencing at least four different nurses, two different orderlies and two OBs.

No, They Aren't Kidding said...

Reading the articles talking about Duggar Jr. #3 online, I'm dreading the possibility that the whole 'failed pregnancy test while traveling' will be edited IN to the show(s). Another speculation - maybe Jill has to attend a certain number of birthing center deliveries and this kills two birds with one stone? I'm betting Jill and Anna are both on their way to Chicago to help deliver Priscilla even now.

Yes, 4 of the 5 Keller daughters were pregnant at the same time for a short while this past fall/winter. I think that means somewhere around 16 grand children for Mr. and Mrs. Kellar by summer, assuming Anna isn't pregnant with twins.

Josh and Anna are certainly moving into that bigger house featured on a few of last season's episodes.

tulip said...

I hope Anna's birth experience with Michael gave her a real wake-up call. Mack's birth was utterly non-eventful (as far as a birth can be), and on camera came across as only uncomfortable, unlike with Michael's, Anna showed some serious labor pain. I really think after Mack's birth, they became even more naiive because it went off without a hitch.

Today Show: I think they use the word "expecting" because it sounds more modest and proper. A friend of mine is very conservative, and she never used the word "pregnant"-she said in her mind, it's like saying someone is knocked up. Michael was very fussy and Mack was antsy, climbing all over the bean bag seat, while Jim Bob & Michelle's youngest were all on their best behavior. Of course, Josh put in his two cents about tuning in to find out whether or not they'll stick with the "M" theme...who cares! In the sneak peek People video, Anna admitted they were "trying" for another baby (not just going with the flow and waiting to see when, or if, God would bless them with another child) but specifically "trying". Jim Bob said with 3, they're off to "a good start"...how could anyone NOT think they are in fact setting out to have as many as they can, unlike what they want people to believe, which is just going through life and seeing what God would "see fit" to do as far as children goes.

Michelle looks to be back to the exact same hairstyle she had before stepping foot in the salon. Proof to me that not only did Jim Bob not "approve", but Michelle definitely didn't like it either. I think Josh is editing his IG pics of himself-I know they say the camera adds 10 pounds, but he really didn't look like he lost as much weight as people think. He also has a baby face. I think he should go back to his half-beard look. Lol.

flowerchild said...

Watching old episodes of the Brady Bunch it seems more real and less staged than 19 Kids and Counting :-)

Leah said...

So they waited until Anna was largely pregnant, due in less than 3 months, to announce a new CHILD in their family?! Clearly the timing was just used to drum up interest for this dumb show. We're talking about a human here. I thought they wanted to shout from the rooftops with praise for each life! Only if it works well for marketing, I guess. If it doesn't, then keep this LIFE a secret until the timing works best to bring in the most viewers. Wow, sanctity of life my foot. If they cared most about their ministry (rather than their $how), they would have announced this joyful news a long time ago after they knew the pregnancy was viable. Not 3 months before birth. Conveniently on the week of their new season. Sick.

Special Ed Lady said...

I do not like the picture. This is the third one I have seen, that Josh and Anna are sitting close together with Michael and Mack is behind our out of the circle. It looks like they are pushing her out. I doubt that is the case, but put her in the family circle.

Elspeth said...

Anna has adequate experience to decide if she wants something besides a home birth. I applaud her if she picks the situation that works best for her. She has NOT had trained people at her previous births. She had Jill who barely begun training and a doula/childbirth instructor neither of whom were licensed in any way to deliver babies without supervision.

A birth center can offer pain relief in the vast area between hot packs and epidurals. They can also manage many issues that may arise during labor that a doula is unprepared to handle.

Regarding privacy, perhaps it's a way to keep the camera crew out or to have a layer of people in between her and the camera crew and possibly avoid having Michelle hanging over her.

Whatever her reasons, if that's what she wants, I hope she gets it.

Boo's Mom said...

I read the people article and while I'm all for family and closeness, why does Jill and Michelle need to be at every birth? You'd think Josh and Anna would want this to be a private moment and maybe they do, but are just afraid of "hurting feelings" if they ask Jill and Michelle to give them space.

I've held a leg for more than one of my siblings, but I was there because they wanted me there, not because I assumed they wanted me there, or that I felt I was entitled to be there.

E3 said...

I live in NW AR and I can tell you that the house that was shown last season is now for sale. I am surprised because I assumed it would be given to Josh and Anna.

Ashley said...

"So they waited until Anna was largely pregnant, due in less than 3 months, to announce a new CHILD in their family?! Clearly the timing was just used to drum up interest for this dumb show."

I didn't watch the show, but in the article they mentioned the previous miscarriage - maybe Michelle's miscarriage was a reminder that things can go wrong, so they wanted to wait until they were well into the pregnancy to announce. JMO.

"I do not like the picture. This is the third one I have seen, that Josh and Anna are sitting close together with Michael and Mack is behind our out of the circle. It looks like they are pushing her out. I doubt that is the case, but put her in the family circle."

I have a 2 year old, and all I could think of when I saw the picture was that they probably photoshopped Mack in. It can be hard to get a good picture of an active little one, so maybe they do two separate pictures, and they aren't good at photoshop so they have to put her all the way on the side. ;-)

Alberta Rose said...

Boo's Mom said: I read the people article and while I'm all for family and closeness, why does Jill and Michelle need to be at every birth? You'd think Josh and Anna would want this to be a private moment and maybe they do, but are just afraid of "hurting feelings" if they ask Jill and Michelle to give them space.

Jill because it's her career choice and Michelle because if I wanted a natural birth I'd want someone who has had several VBAC, including twins as part of my birthing team.

MandySue said...

It seems hypocritical that they talk about modesty all the time. And yell NIKE at every inappropriate dressed woman.

All that modesty falls to the wayside during birth. Michelle didn't want a stranger to help her try on a dress for their vow renewal. And they couldn't show mama skin when she feeding Josie. Somehow it's ok to be have a camera between Anna's legs when she give birth. I know it's not the same and showing some cleavage but really. These people won't even say sex in regard to the baby! Something ain't right.

Patrice said...

The reason she is having Jill and Michelle there is strictly for show. After all, having a normal birth in a nice quiet birthing center with only medical personnel and no cameras doesn't bring in any money to feed Joshie's face. The circus must go on, though God only knows why. It has failed to be entertaining months and months ago.

Willow said...

If I were Anna, I would want my OWN mother there (at the birth); but that's just me. TLC has filmed Mrs. Keller before and they could do it again, I would think.

Ty's Mom said...

Duggars are filming an episode of Dr. Oz today- supposedly it will air on Thursday

tulip said...

"These people won't even say sex in regard to the baby! Something ain't right."

Yet they will make jokes and innuendos about sex (a lot) as well as their own kids thinking it's fun to decorate a hotel room for their anniversary getaway-ick.

It would have been much more normal to have seen Josh & Anna give pecks, even just on the cheek, while they were engaged rather than watching all that so-called hand holding they "allowed" themselves to do-even more ick. And, of course, the "first kiss" we've seen at these weddings. So gross for an adult to witness, let alone any kids. Something I still don't understand-why they think their first kiss has to be this open mouth, suck face spectacle. No, we don't want to hear any more about the "special" moments, comparisons to Legos, hotel room reservations or Ed Wheat books.

flowerchild said...

Wonder what they could possibly have to offer to the show? Their diet is deplorable, safety and parenting skills horrendous, and birth/breed dangerously. Not exactly the picture of health. I'm guessing about Josh's weight loss. I guess josh and Anna are trying to get their own spin off,keep selling their family.

Allison said...

I was thinking today that perhaps the reason they waited to announce the baby is because of their contract with TLC. It's not unreasonable to expect that TLC wants certain things from the family for ratings as well... that's how everyone makes money. So perhaps since they knew they were having a new season, they wanted to save the announcement for when they would likely go on the TODAY show prior to the premiere. That's typically how it's been for the past few seasons, and they knew there would be another season.

So perhaps TLC actually told the Duggars to keep it underwraps in public, which is why they never said anything. But it's likely that they did tell people, which is why there was that slip-up on Twitter with some guy saying congratulations to Josh.

I wonder how much of what the Duggars do is actually at TLC's request...

summer11 said...

"I was thinking today that perhaps the reason they waited to announce the baby is because of their contract with TLC."

I was thinking the exact same thing. While I don't necessarily agree with the Duggars' political or legalistic views, I still think they're good people. I have to give them the benefit of the doubt on this one. I think the delay in announcing the pregnancy was due to contract commitments with TLC. I don't think it was due to personal, fame-seeking reasons.

sandi said...

I agree about the contract,but I suspect the twitter leak was done on purpose,same way they get Amy to release pics---it's an attempt to hold the viewer's interest,imo.

londonbridges said...

I agree that Anna probably would like her own mother to be present for the birth of her grandchild. Michelle and JimBob are not the only grandparents that these little ones have. JMHO.

While an apprentice midwife and doula attended prior births, I would hope that Anna chooses to deliver in a birthing centre. Trained experienced midwives would be a lifesaver should medical help be required. JMHO.

Faith said...

Does anyone know how old David and Priscilla are?

Boo's Mom said...

Alberta Rose said...

"Jill because it's her career choice and Michelle because if I wanted a natural birth I'd want someone who has had several VBAC, including twins as part of my birthing team."

Just because Jill has chosen to be a midwife, doesn't automatically entitle her to be involved in Anna's deliveries. If Anna is fine with it, awesome, but I just hope she isn't pressured to have them there. Just speaking for myself, I wouldn't want my sister in law there, much less watching me push the baby out. Mother in law, maybe. I'd rather have MY mother or sister with me and my spouse. But like I said, if Anna is ok with it, great.

They are filming for a DR Oz episode? Whoa,

Murphy said...

Radar Online is reporting that Michelle said this (in response to Radar's report that Jinger wanted to move to NYC):

"Her older brother Josh, his wife Anna and their children are moving to Washington, DC for his new job, and Michelle suggests maybe Jinger could spend the summer with them in that city."

Hannah said...

The main reason why Anna's mother is never there for the births is because she lives so far away. That being said, Anna's labours so far have be very long, giving Mrs. Keller plenty of time to arrive.

Jac&Jil said...

Josh Duggar and family moving to DC for his new employment? What kind of employment could Josh be possibly quaified to do? I'm assuming it will have something to do with politics, which even frightens me more. Just what we need; more people like Josh who know nothing (but think they know everything) who will try to move their agenda through.

And poor Jinger. If mom and dad allow her to move with Josh and Anna for the summer, her job will again be taking care of babies and not enjoying all the fabulous sights and sounds of DC.

tulip said...

"Her older brother Josh, his wife Anna and their children are moving to Washington, DC for his new job,"

Seriously? Though, as we didn't see this coming. Hopefully the new job is carlot related since Josh has no higher education to back up anything else. Or, maybe he'll be a courier for his favorite Senator, while wearing a suit and lapel pin, posting pics on Instagram acting like something he's not.

"I was thinking today that perhaps the reason they waited to announce the baby is because of their contract with TLC."

Mission accomplished, now TLC will show them the money...as in, Got Cash? and Holla for a Dolla y'all!

emm said...

You're very keen on agreeing with the Duggars all the time! Are you a close friend?

Boo's Mom said...

I get the feeling one of the older girls is going to leave the nest. Frankly, I don't blame Jinger.

For every child that is 18+, do they have access to their money from TLC? After turning 18 they would be paid in their name, not Jim or Michelle's. I wonder if these kids have access to that money.

I have a feeling they do not.

Special Ed Lady said...

I thought the Duggars did not own a TV. Today when they were on Dr. Oz, Jim Bob said the Dr. Oz was his mother's favorite show, and she was always quoting Dr. Oz. Maybe she has one in her room.

Elspeth said...

There is not even a guarantee that all the "children" over 18 are paid on their own. TLC's policy is to pay per family if they can get the family to accept that.

sandi said...

Faith,David said on his website he would not get married until age 25,and that was last yr (granted,idk when their exact bdays are) so he must be 26 by now.And I think I recall reading somewhere that Priscilla was 27 when they married,so they must be around 26 and 28 yrs old now.

hello said...

I would bet that Jim Bob has the money set up to be paid to him. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the kids aged 18 and over have no idea how much money they are making. Jim Bob and Michelle's way of parenting is to make sure their kids are undereducated and to train them to think that life is all about raising your siblings, doing all the chores in the house and for the girls, to strive to marry an authority figure and pop out as many babies as possible. The boys are being trained to find a wife and impregnate her as many times as possible. It's a shame that these kids weren't raised to think for themselves and to follow their own dreams.

MandySue said...

Link to a story about Josh's job.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithgoespop/2013/03/josh-duggar-says-hes-moving-to-dc-to-work-in-politics/p


imaamy said...

When I tried the link above, it led to a story about Joel Osteen?

Melissa said...

Try this link:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithgoespop/2013/03/josh-duggar-says-hes-moving-to-dc-to-work-in-politics/

Cristina Jensen said...

http://tlc.howstuffworks.com/tv/19-kids-and-counting/duggars-do-asia-japan-photos10.htm

I was browsing through TLC photos of the Tokyo trip and I found this picture a bit disturbing. Now I know some people will say I'm being over sensitive. Yes sometimes it's ok for older siblings to watch younger ones and let mom and dad walk ahead and hold hands, however it makes me so angry for these kids and young adults because you know Michelle and Jim Bob drop their younger blessings with the older blessings and they try to live in this forever honeymoon world. I grew up watching my siblings all the time. My mom was a single mom and so a lot of resposibllity was placed on me to help raise my siblings. It was no where near as much as these kids but it took me a few years to let go of any resentment I had towards my mom for cutting my childhood short. I mean by the age of 8 I was incharge of my baby brother all weekend, after school and sometimes at night if she had a late shift.

Michigander1969 said...

Article about josh :

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithgoespop/2013/03/josh-duggar-says-hes-moving-to-dc-to-work-in-politics/

Not sure if it is legit info tho.

Elana said...

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithgoespop/2013/03/josh-duggar-says-hes-moving-to-dc-to-work-in-politics/


Here is the correct link about Josh with a link within the article about his new job.

Tiffany said...

Try this:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithgoespop/2013/03/josh-duggar-says-hes-moving-to-dc-to-work-in-politics/

Andrea said...

Another article about the job Josh maybe taking in DC, but doesn't look like it will actually be happening:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/sources-duggar-son-to-join-family-research-council

See update at the bottom of the article.

Ashley said...

Take the extra "p" off the end of the link about Josh's job, and then it works. :)

Stephanie said...

The above article has an update. Josh has been interviewed along with several other applicants but no hiring decision has been made as of today.

Picture of Josh in January, he has lost weight.

Kathy said...

If Josh gets the job in DC...he better come prepared....do his homework and check out the cost of living...The Md/DC/Va area is extremely expensive....and definitely nothing like Arkansas....(I was born and raised in P.G. County..and still live in Md...in a different county though...)...my predictions IF (and that's a big if) he gets the job they won't stay here more then 5 yrs or so....imho......

Patrice said...

I feel the same, Cristina, Jensen. How many pictures have we seen like this of JimBob and Michelle strolling hand in hand ahead of the crowd? They have no idea if all the kids are still following them or if little Jordyn wandered from her buddy and into a back alley, or one of the howlers ran in front of a car, or Joyless Anna and Josiah hopped on a bus to freedom...ok, that one I would like to see happen! The Duggars are disgusting! Still wanting to think they are teenagers in love, instead of responsible parents and grandparents.

Nancy said...

David and Pris' son was born this morning. Here's a video they made this afternoon. Good luck making it through....it's paaaaaainful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqdAAl6JgME

Nancy said...

Forgot to add: I wonder if "William" is a nod to Billy-boy Gothard? Given David works directly for the guy, it wouldn't surprise me.

Willow said...

Congratulations to the Wallers. The baby is very beautiful. I am happy all is well with the new arrival. However, I just have to say that I could not stand to watch the entire video of the new baby on their website, for the reason that Priscilla trying to talk baby talk is just so irritating!! It is so phony, it is unbelievable. She is trying so hard to speak "baby" that she cannot even properly close her mouth!! I will enjoy the pictures, but definitely not hearing a video!!! Priscilla and David look like brother and sister - so weird. But, as I said, the baby is just adorable and precious.

Elspeth said...

Priscilla and the "baby talk" isn't really. That's the way the poor girl talks all the time.

Wampascat said...

These people don't have a lick of sense. A long, difficult labor should be followed by a lot of rest and quiet. Not a photo op for the blog.

Wampascat said...

Saw the video. Baby started squalling as if the say, " shut up already!" Lol

Stephanie said...

William Waller?
Braveheart anyone? William Wallace, was the scots rebel. I don't know how to feel about that name. One hand they have never seen Braveheart on the other hand Mel Gibson is surely an idol because of Passion of the Christ.

imaamy said...

Wow 9 lbs 11 oz for a first baby! Good for her...looks like he was born at home?

Kamryn said...

David and Priscilla both drive me absolutely up the wall with their sappy voices and constant spouting of platitudes. Yet, I really feel sorry for her if she gave birth at home. All my children were well over nine pounds and it is not only painful (of course) but dangerous for a multitude of reasons. I can't imagine if Davie was like Joshie and kept saying "you can do it" in his little girl voice but did not offer to take her to the hospital. I would have smacked my husband if he did nothing but read from the Bible and tell me the hand of God was about to do the delivery...So easy for these Gothard boys to sit by and "pray" but the woman could be in grave danger by not getting to a medical facility when the labor goes long past where it should have. Every time I think back to watching Anna look like she was dying with Michael and Joshie just smuggly smiling, then off to take his nap...ouch! I can only imagine Priscilla went through the same only worse. At least that is what it sounded like from their oh-so-painful to watch video.

sandi said...

If the photo op just 12 hrs after delivery wasn't bad enough,according to the pics they also had 9 ppl for dinner not long after.I certainly hope the meal was brought over,and that Priscilla was not expected to cook for that crowd.I would think that after a long delivery of a 9 lb baby, that she should really be in bed,relaxing w/ her new little one.The rest of them should be waiting on her.JMO.

roddma said...

?My mom was a single mom and so a lot of resposibllity was placed on me to help raise my siblings. It was no where near as much as these kids but it took me a few years to let go of any resentment I had towards my mom for cutting my childhood short. I mean by the age of 8 I was incharge of my baby brother all weekend, after school and sometimes at night if she had a late shift. "

I don't know how old you are but in some areas, leaving a child under 12 at home alone for extended periods is illegal.And because they are twelve isn't the grene light to leave them with a sibling. Parents forget older kids are still kids themsleves. Thankfully, i don't recall the Duggars pulling anything like this. It is still bad enough the responsibilities of the older girls.
Others may say how great it is them helping, but they fail to see the harm in turning a child into an adult before their time. From whatI read on Quiverfull beliefs, the older kids have a moral responsibility to he younger ones-even more pressure on them.

Stephanie said...

Sandi ~ I saw those pictures. What was that? A dinner party? I know with an over 9 pound baby she would have needed an episotomy, most average sized babies require that for the mother. If a doctor doesn't do the episiotomy, then the baby leaves a jagged rip that still has to been sewn up by a doctor. How are the homebirths dealing with this?

I had episiotomy with my premie twins & 7lb daughter. Its extremely uncomfortable and somewhat painful and I most certainly didn't want 6 people over to entertain. That's the whole point of church friends bringing over meals. They drop them off to help, not to intrude. Priscilla looked very puffy and had to not feel good enough to even do the lame video (which I can't get to play)

So my question to my Duggar Blog friends is this, how is the episotomy done for homebirths? And if they aren't done, who stiches you up if your baby rips your skin open?

Stephanie said...

In honor of the Big Waller Baby who is cute, I read Davids Story: I can't believe some things he says out loud. Bare with me friends:

I highly recommend. The book "He's just not that into you" it keeps girls from acting a fool over guys who really don't like them. Men will totally put themselves out there and pursue a girl that they truly want to be with.

David Waller did NONE of those things. I actually think David may be gay and knows he can not be a televangelist and be openly gay.
1. Davic meets Priscilla in 2007 and doesn't remember her? That's embarassing for Priscilla. I would be embarassed if my husband said that about me. He's Just NOT That Into Her. As a mater of fact, he didn't even notice her or remember her.
2. He makes a commitment to serve God until age 25, just like his brother. Stalling tactic because he really doesn't like girls. And He's Just Not That Into Priscilla.
3. He seriously considers raising his single age service to age 28. Because he really doesn't like girls. He's just Not That Into Her.
4. His parents have a "sit down" and tell him he should consider marriage if he wants to have a ministry. OR "David, we understand that you have homosexual desires, but you can never pursue them. Is there ANY GIRL at all that would fit the casting call to be a young ministers wife in ATI?" David: "well there is Priscilla Keller, she' cute and still single and she may agree to marry me" He can take it or leave it because He's Just Not that Into Her
5. He barely finds time to make a phone call to Josh to get Mr. Kellers phone number. Afterall, he did have to call Josh about a van they bought from him. So since he had to call Josh about a business matter anyway, I may as well get Mr.s Kellers number anyway. That's embarasing for Priscilla. She wasn't a priority, just on a list of things to do today. He's Just Not That Into Her.
6. He is also SO VERY BUSY at work, work, work, and meetings he finally plays phone tag with Mr. Keller and asks to court/marry Priscilla. That's insulting to Priscilla, he's so busy and it was sooooo hard for him to make the all important daddy permission call. If he was into Priscilla, that call would have been made a long time before it happened. He's Just Not That Into Her.
7. He interviews Priscilla from September 10th to November 16 and they are engaged. Then married in February. OK that's typical Gothard. He does say on NOV 16 when he put the ring on it was the first time they ever touched. IMO, when you are crazy about someone you almost touch them without meaning to. He's Just Not That Into Her.

Seriously? Josh & Anna were sickening in love (I did that too,Crazy in love acting a fool). That's what peope in love do. Josh seemd a little gay-like in those first specials but he likes girls. Couldn't wait to court Anna and spend the night with her and the hand holding sex. Josh was very "into" Anna. I get it. David was NOT into Priscilla. He tried stalling as much as possible AND was very pressured by his parents.

On a side note, did you read what he said about Susanna and Priscilla? Sounds like the Jana/Jessa jewelry box story. He said Susanna was being her usual self picking on Priscilla and what attracked him to Priscilla was her loving reaction towards her mean devilish sister. Wow, way to throw Susanna under the bus. He didn't say devilish but it was the Jewelry box story trying to make one sister mean and the other sister more Godly. That's the same story twice, must be a Gothard theme.

Michigander1969 said...

Is there a speech pathologist on this blog? Watching Priscilla talk the way her tongue moves and her face muscles, i am starting to wonder if she has some kind of speech impediment.
Anyone else wonder that?

stephanie said...

Priscillas speech is strange. She very carefully chooses her words and it makes her speech slower. She is what I call a "slow talker". I personally consider slow talkers condescending, meaning they must talk slow so us dummies listening can try to comprehend the speakers points. Some politicians do this or guest speakers on news interviews etc.

She obviously is trying to do public speaking for their ministry. They both could use a college level public speaking class. My daughter starts high school next year and her school has a 5 year state championship debate team and I want her to join. They call it forensics but I honestly don't know why. It is good for kids to learn public speaking. Its kinda amazing that those sinful public school teach kids how to speak in public.

A speech teacher would really get on them for the baby voice. No one wants to listen to adults speaking condescending baby talk.

Also, matching shirts for mom, dad, and baby for the video. David really does plan out everything for YouTube. Does he want to be Pat Robertson? Or doesn't he want them to be PLT from the 80's? After reading his story on how he "romanced" Priscilla I feel even more sorry for her. Poor Priscilla should pick up some realy romance novels because she sure isn't getting it from him. He doesn't even take romance hints from Jimbob and we all know Jimbob is nuts about his wife.

Andrea said...

To Stephanie: I have a 6 month old and did a lot of research going into giving birth. We don't know exactly how Priscilla's birth went but within home birthing circles it's assumed that you will not require an episotomy. Episiotomies are seen as the work of too quick doctors eager to get home and leave the hospital. I don't agree with this analogy but many home birthers do. She likely torn naturally and therefore would not require stitches but would rather heal on her own.

londonbridges said...

I believe that Stephanie may have hit the mark re: David Waller. If indeed he is gay, how long will he be able to deceive others in Gothardland? I truly think several people figured this out a long time ago, and are part of the deception. And that's what his life is if he is gay. No amount of sex with his wife will erase or hide his true desires. Sex with his wife will never satisfy his desires for sex with men. JMHO.

Eula said...

I remember Anna having that slurry, open-mouth speech at first, too. I think in her case it was nervousness, but there are still traces of it. Priscilla's is much more exaggerated.

What a vapid bunch they all are, but they're so goofy I just can't stop watching!

(I thought the family dinner at the Waller's might have been before the birth.)

imaamy said...

I looked at the pics from the DavidlovesPris site and thought she looked good. I have one post delivery pic from when my first was born...oh my I keep it for history but wow I look dazed and awful!

Faith said...

One of the pictures of David and Priscilla's baby shows Priscilla reading a book. I think it's titled "BabyWise" by Ezzo. Most of the responses/comments under that picture are warnings about the advise given in the book. Does anyone know anything about the book or the author and/or why so many people might be concerned?

Friend said...

David refers to Priscella as "Darling little wife." I don't think that is a good choice of words. I think strong beautiful wife is more flattering.

imaamy said...

I just looked at the amazon page for Baby Wise and realized I read it just two years ago! The sample page isn't loading for me but if I recall, it has to do with a set routine for baby: eat play sleep or something like that. Don't think it says a thing about teaching baby to sit on a blanket;) Obviously it wasn't much help to me since I didn't recall reading it.

sandi said...

http://davidlovespriscilla.com/2013/03/17/paul-william-waller/davidlovespriscilla00008-7/

Priscilla is holding the baby in the pic,and it looks as if she,the baby and David are all wearing the same clothes in the vid,so it was likely made that same evening.It appears they all came to see the new baby;David's parents,5 younger siblings,and his brother and his wife.

HondaMom said...

Re: homebirth episiotomy. I had a nine pound, ten ounce baby at home, no episiotomy, only a very mild "skid mark" that did not require stitches but I requested it be stitched anyway because we have stairs and I didn't want to risk it. If you have an experienced midwife and good support and have educated yourself in techniques to prevent tearing, it's definitely doable. If you are having a home birth with a midwife, the midwife is able to do an episiotomy if it turns out that you NEED one (most do not, but like any procedure, there is a legitimate place for it). The midwife would also be able to stitch you back up. Having had stitches done by a midwife and two physicians, I can say that my midwife was better at it!

I would not, however, have done an unassisted birth like Anna's first because licensed midwives have medications and equipment at the ready that you're just not going to have lying around in the average home (oxygen tanks, methergine for bleeding, pitocin in case the placenta doesn't feel like coming out...)

Re: Babywise. It's the secular version of a book written by a guy who thinks the way to bring your baby's evil sin nature into submission is by scheduling their food and sleep so they'll know who is boss from day one.

Duggarworld said...

Going back to the discussion about David's internet monitoring by Priscilla... I have a feeling Mr. Kellar made a point of that because it's probably no secret that David has a history of looking at and struggling with gay porn online. It's probably been his only outlet for so long, and he now has to of course give it up totally in his marriage to Priscilla. I would even go so far as to say that Priscilla knows about his homosexual tendencies, and she was recruited to 'rescue' him since she was almost an old maid at age 27 or so... The families of each of them probably said it would be her 'ministry' or something like that, to save him from himself and help him build this great Gothard life.

However I also think that it's entirely possible that David is just asexual, that he doesn't really care for either sex and is just so brainwashed from a young age to lead this holier-than-thou life. He strikes me more as that than anything.

And Priscilla I don't think is all that dumb. Sure, she's no bright light, but I think she has a sort of natural joy about her, which can sometimes be looked at as a childishness and borderline stupidity. And I think she's very uncomfortable right now, broadcasting her life and her new awkward marriage to the world, and her discomfort is showing in her trying to 'play nice' in front of the camera...constant smile, baby talk and all...

Michigander1969 said...

I had a ten pound baby with no episiotomy and no tearing. it is not always necessary.
Trained homebirth midwives can stitch up 1st and 2nd degree tears. 3rd and 4th degree requires more medical attention.

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Sandi ~ I saw those pictures. What was that? A dinner party? I know with an over 9 pound baby she would have needed an episotomy, most average sized babies require that for the mother. If a doctor doesn't do the episiotomy, then the baby leaves a jagged rip that still has to been sewn up by a doctor. How are the homebirths dealing with this?

Anonymous said...

I saw updated pics of Erin Bates and Chad Paine. They looked so happy and cute together. I wonder how the Duggar girls feel about this. Instead of.courting they are raising their moms children.

Bridey said...

I was re-reading old blogs from last season, and saw how people think Anna and Josh are realizing what their life is going to be, how some of the girls seem to be getting tired of it already. I wonder if TLC is banking on someone cracking in the somewhat near future? So they're just holding onto the show until that happens, which they believe, is inevitable?

imaamy said...

Must be my TV...John David and one of the girls were looking very wide, along with Jim Bob and Josh of course. Not just heavy but wide, the way high def makes people look. I thought it was pretty easy to tell which woman was under the geisha makeup!

Andrea said...

It's really hard to judge Priscilla's intelligence. Remember she doesn't have the benefit of a high school or college education. That said, I do very clearly recall her calling sheep dumb animals in her video about her nursery. Really dumb? How about sweet, innocent, docile . . . But no she said dumb. That's exactly the kind of animal I'd like to adore my children's nursery with- not. She's definitely dumb herself.

Jac&Jil said...

Regarding Priscilla - I do hope she has some follow-up care with an ob/gyn, as well as the baby seeing a pediatrician.

Maybe someone can help me out here. With a home birth, what do they do regarding circumcision?

Then there's the picture of the whole family having dinner just hours after the birth, with Priscilla sitting there in her blouse and skirt holding the baby. Sorry, but 12 hours after delivering such a large baby, mom should be resting in bed and having a tray with food brought to her.

Ashley said...

Jac&Ji - Some people who birth at home opt not to circumcise. Those who do want it done can just go to a pediatrician to have it done when they are ready.

Leigh Ann said...

"However I also think that it's entirely possible that David is just asexual, that he doesn't really care for either sex and is just so brainwashed from a young age to lead this holier-than-thou life. He strikes me more as that than anything."

Maybe David just wasn't meant to be married. God has plans for each of us and they don't always include marriage. And you don't have to be married to serve God. Jesus wasn't married. The Pope isn't married. These people are so into "you must get married and multiply" it just doesn't occur to them that maybe that's not in the plans. Or maybe not for a good long while. When my husband and I got married I was 30 and he was 42 and it was (and is) a first marriage for both of us. Some people are single their whole lives. So they aren't going forth and multiplying but they're doing other things to contribute to the world. Being happily single just doesn't seem to be an option.

Leigh Ann said...

I wonder how Josh will do in a job where he has to get up and be at work every morning on time.

Boo's Mom said...

A larger baby doesn't automatically mean Mom will need an episiotomy. Nor does it mean there will always be tearing either. Midwives (who are well trained) know how to help prevent these things.

Betty said...

Midwife or no sometimes tearing is unavoidable. Midwives are not the be all and end all of birthing any more than hospitals are.

Leah said...

I totally agree about the fact that not everyone needs to marry "to better serve God". I can think of plenty of single people who served God quite well, in my inferior opinion. Paul wrote in scripture that it is good NOT to marry. David should have busted that verse out and told his family to shut it. After all, David felt that staying single until 25 was imperative in order to serve God as his brother did. Then he wanted to be single until 28 like his dad. Sounds to me like a man who wanted to be single, plain and simple. Instead of understanding her child's heart (as they all claim to do) his mother calls him a chicken. How sad is that.

duggarworld said...

Perhaps David was meant to be single, that's a great point. But in this world they live in, whether it be Gothard, or Dominionism, or what have you, it's just not an option... Anyhow he and Priscilla are certainly one odd couple, just in the way that they interact with each other alone. When watching the episode when they're back from their honeymoon, and they go visit the Duggars, and he and Josh get into that 'competition' nonsense which is a whole other topic that I shouldn't get started on - like when Jim Bob was so blatantly competitive with Mrs. Kellar during bowling, and couldn't be gracious at all. It was such an unbelievably UN-Christian way to act, it was shocking to see really.

Anyhow, getting back to that day when they visited the Duggars after the honeymoon, they were so overly lovey-dovey, kissing and holding each other so much, you can honestly see that they're trying too hard. They want to show up or be as 'in love' as the Duggar couples that they go overboard and it just looks fake which I'm sure it is. How can they be so into each other when they barely know each other and he blew her off years ago... it's so ridiculous. But putting on a show is so important in this culture they live in. The biggest lie probably being the fact that the children are really prisoners to the parent's beliefs. It was comical watching the episode where Jana "goes off on her own" to mentor the girls at the camp. Please - she's over 20 and that's her first venture anyplace without a family member in tow? Pretty pathetic... meanwhile you can see that she's smart enough and well adjusted enough to handle herself on her own if she wanted to do things without that tribe being attached to her hip... sad really.

And now poor Jinger wants to move to NYC - I live here, and there are many Christians and she would find a nice church and great people, young people who are excited for Christ, but good luck... she'd have to runaway, poor girl. Then we'd have a Jim Bob saga of trying to find his poor daughter in the big city. He's so protective of them it's almost a little creepy, like no man can be as good as dad, so good luck ever trying to get married. I'll bet one of the reasons we haven't seen Jana or one of the other girls courting yet is because Jim Bob either turned the guy down, or the guys are too scared to even ask, knowing how he is... plus there's Josh to contend with who acts like a prick to every other guy... ever notice that? Even to his own brothers he never shows any warmth. It's weird really, like he's trying to be just as superior as his dad and no other guy can be as righteous as him.

Betty said...

I think the whole unChristian competitiveness and showing off by Jim Bob, etc, is due to their brand of Christianity. Their understanding of what it means to be a Christian is, in my view, extrememly limited and hobbled by boiling it down to "accepting Christ as their personal savior." To them it's all "once and done." They are so opposed to works based salvation that they don't even think about their works in the world. To my mind it's an extremely shallow and immature faith and I suppose that's why it appeals to the unthinking Duggars.

Sharla said...

I have rejected several mommy war type comments. This blog is about the Duggars (and their relatives and friends). People who want to engage in mommy war type battles should go to Baby Center and such places. Thanks.

Leigh Ann said...

I don't see the show much and didn't know Jinger was wanting to go to New York. I think the four oldest girls ought to all go. Find an apartment, get jobs and see what's out there. They're responsible young ladies, none of them are going to go off the deep end. If they were terribly prone to rebellion I think it would have already happened. With four of them, they can keep an eye on each other. It's too bad none of them has any more education but they I'm sure they could find something. Of course the whole house would probably fall apart without them and Joy-Anna would end up with a lot of work. Their little buddies would be lost, too. When these older girls do move out, the littlest kids are going to feel abandoned.

Nancy said...

Jinger made a comment in a sister-mom confessional that she wanted to live in a big city. Jill immediately shut her down, saying - in a nutshell - that living in a rural place would humble her.

Jill becomes more vile and robotic as the years pass. Jana has a new light in her eyes, but it's still sad. She's resolved to her fate; as JB's daughter, she won't be allowed to marry until the show is canceled. One girl may be allowed to demonstrate female courtship and end the series with a wedding, but JB isn't letting anyone near his precious virgin daughters.

MandySue said...

The whole robotic thing worries me. I was reading an article today about abuse in the name of Christianity. I wonder if the girls are being taught to be "submissive" through whatever means necessary. It's almost like if they don't have the right answers they will get in trouble.

I know there is no evidence and it is a stretch but there is something there.

Leigh Ann said...

That is a valid concern. For all we may say about Jim Bob, he loves Michelle and has her up on a pedestal. He'll always do what's in her best interest (except cutting off the baby making which would be in her best interest). Those nine girls may not be so lucky. At least one of them could easily end up in a marriage with a controlling, abusive husband and be in a lot of trouble. Jim Bob was not raised in Gothardism. These boys who are may grow to view and interpret things differently. With nine daughters there's a good chance at least one will end up in a bad situation.

sandi said...

>The whole robotic thing worries me. I was reading an article today about abuse in the name of Christianity. I wonder if the girls are being taught to be "submissive" through whatever means necessary. It's almost like if they don't have the right answers they will get in trouble.

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I wonder that,too.Are there threats of going to the big land down under in the afterlife,if one does not adhere to the rigid ways? It sounds like that is the case with Gothardism.No room for grace and mercy.
Or it could be they will be disowned if they do not adhere.That would be a very valid concern,seeing as some of the brothers and sisters seem close,esp. to their respective buddies,and the ones close in age.JMO.

Heather P. said...

Has anyone seen the latest Bates blog? You can see the courtship of Erin and Chad, which was publicly announced, proceeding nicely. But, it seems that Alyssa Bates is in some kind of courtship with a John Webster, but they are not saying anything, just showing pictures. Does anyone know anything about this? Boy those Bates girls seem glowing with happiness and true love. The Duggar girls look so miserable.

Mary Alice said...

Has anyone seen the latest Bates blog? You can see the courtship of Erin and Chad, which was publicly announced, proceeding nicely. But, it seems that Alyssa Bates is in some kind of courtship with a John Webster, but they are not saying anything, just showing pictures. Does anyone know anything about this?
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Mrs. Bates responded on their site - "No, Alyssa is not courting. She is getting to know John, and they are becoming special friends"

Lottie said...

I went to the Bates blog after reading Heather's comment. I don't know who the John Webster kid is but boy those Bates girls got themselves a couple of hotties. What gorgeous looking couples they both make with their new beaus. I too wonder why no one is interested in the Duggar girls.

Special Ed Lady said...

I kind of think all the Bates kids/young adults look happier than their Duggar peers.

Rachel HM said...

I saw on Facebook this morning that they are going to be on Anderson Live today. Do they know he is gay? Although they have never pointedly said anything about gay persons, I am sure they are "against it"

Patrice said...

The young Bates women may look happy and I'm glad they found someone, but there is something still inherently creepy about their whole courting scene. No touching (although they do appear to be leaning into each other in some pictures), no hand holding, no arms around each other, no good-bye hugs, no time alone. Mom and Dad along on dates??? Yikes. How can you be in love with someone and not just feel the natural urge to hug and kiss (even innocent chaste kisses)and walk down the street hand in hand? And have your parents listening to every word so you can't talk about things without being monitored is just plain wrong. Yikes. I don't blame the Duggar girls if they are trying to avoid this. I still have the endless hope that they will escape and do things their own way. And grab Michaella Bates on the way too. That poor girl is going to be the forever SAHD if she doesn't make a break soon.

Penny said...

Josh has updated his website or is in the processing of updating it-I can not acess anything here at work-will try later when I am home-the site says to contact them through social media

imaamy said...

About Anderson Live...I think we've seen they can compromise their principles for exposure and $$$ (for their ministry of course! and money for iphones, trips, dinners out, sporting events, etc)

Jac&Jil said...

Wonder what Judge Marilyn thought of the Duggars? Michelle and Jim Bob's answers to her questions were so simplistic, I'm sure Judge Marilyn was thinking, "So this is what it is like when a family of 25 has no education." The look was all over her face.

And how did ya like the dress Judge Marilyn was wearing? Wonder if Jim Bob and Michelle yelled "nike" to eveyone before they went on stage?"

Alberta Rose said...

Lottie said... I too wonder why no one is interested in the Duggar girls.

They answered that in an episode. They have other interests at this time and aren't in any hurry. I think it's wonderful their parents are respecting their other interests.

sandi said...

I suspect the real truth of the matter of courting for the girls,is that Jim Bob isn't willing to approve anyone at this time.JMO.

Nancy said...

Mrs. Bates responded on their site - "No, Alyssa is not courting. She is getting to know John, and they are becoming special friends"

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"Special friends" is their code for the pre-courting stage. Remember how Zack and some siblings would visit the Reiths before their courtship was announced? They essentially have these "special friend" times to see if they feel that they can pursue the more serious relationship of courtship, which ideally leads to marriage with these people.

As for Alyssa's friend, he's the son of an ATI Congressman from Florida. He's spoken at ATI conferences before, so that the family are Gothardites is not in question. He's 23; Alyssa's 18. I imsgine they'll take it slowly as they have with Erin; I can't remember if she's also enrolled at Clown College, but I doubt she graduates as Erin is scheduled to do in May.

Duggars on Anderson: the usual puff crapola. Michelle and Jim Bob have agents; I wouldn't be surprised if they have riders like other celebs who go on these daytime (or nighttime) talkshows that control the content of questions (and that the audience questions are typically plants, or happen to coincide with the type of questions the Duggars want to have asked).

Please, enough with the logistics already! *smh*

Pam said...

I have to agree, I don't think Jim Bob would approve anyone to "court" his older daughters. Who would take care of the younger kids? Certainly not Jim Bob and Michelle.

Nana Sew Dear said...

I've noticed that Jill does seem to be the most religiously extreme child. Her dowdy skirt is longer and she sees herself as the spokesperson for the girls. My guess is that at some point she noticed that she could receive more attention by being a people pleader.

Kamryn said...

"I have to agree, I don't think Jim Bob would approve anyone to "court" his older daughters"
Exactly. Even if a guy was interested in a Duggar, he'd probably be afraid to even approach the creepy JimBob. He'd be asked 125 pre-courting questions, spied on and followed around; most likely all texts and phone conversations would be monitored by JimBob. Yuk, who would even want to try? The Duggars will likely succeed in keeping those girls as lifelong SAHD virgins, only having to answer to Daddy. Chilling!

Rachel HM said...

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20685375,00.html

Duggars are everywhere this month! Now they are going to adopt!

rudy tecat said...

There's a typical Tuesday story online about the Duggars thinking about adoption. As older adults, they'll find some roadblocks due to their age (40s): many agencies won't consider you if you're older than 40. And, a lot would require the adopted child to have his/her own room in the house. But, with the Duggars' money and fame, I'm sure they'll buy...I mean, find a child to adopt without all the hoops us normal folks have to jump through.

Sharla said...

Rather humorous article:
http://www.crushable.com/2013/03/26/entertainment/duggars-offensive-quotes/

imaamy said...

Did anyone see the tons of pics on David and Priscilla's site of baby Paul? Friends did the newest thing: newborn photography. He is a cute little guy. Someone in the comments wished them lots of brothers and sisters for him. Yeah, he is about a week old so get thinkin' on the next one, Duggar style!

Betty said...

That poor baby being treated as a prop in some dreadful newborn pictures.

MandySue said...

The Duggars will think a out adoption but will not actually adopt. Got hard does not recommend it, ya know sins of the father. I just don't think they will go against their leader.

Not a Fan said...

I've seen babies placed in suitcases before but usually they are vintage cases and OPEN! These hard objects so close to the child's head bothered me. Also for someone with a large family, David sure looked uncomfortable holding the baby. Who ever they got to take these photographs is not as much a professional as they might think they are. I had a hard time looking at them. The baby looked very uncomfortable to me in most of them. I got better pics at a mall photography place than these, when my babies were infants. JMO.

On another note...I'd like for the Duggars to just go away. They won't adopt. This is just a ploy to get people interested. They will let God put it in their heart that it isn't right for their family. That is fine, good even for any potential baby/child candidate. Yes, they have money now, but that is not all what a child needs. A child needs a family that will provide them with education, love and confidence in themselves to one day leave the nest. I wish they would use their noodle a little and realize they can make this choice without consulting God about it.

Nancy said...

That Duggar adoption article is about 2 years old. Their ages aren't even listed correctly; JB's birthday is in July and Michelle's a year and a couple months later in September. The people who crank out the copy to wrap around Michelle's vapid phone interviews really need to do some research; even Wikipedia has their correct ages and birthdates listed.

They're not adopting anything; this should also be extended to animals and anything that grows. Their black thumb of death is already legendary.

Elspeth said...

Someone was recycling the adoption article. Most were dated this March and talked about China, but had incorrect ages. Someone at the PR firm was lazy.

sandi said...

> I've noticed that Jill does seem to be the most religiously extreme child. Her dowdy skirt is longer and she sees herself as the spokesperson for the girls. My guess is that at some point she noticed that she could receive more attention by being a people pleader.

Jill comes across as a know-it-all if you ask me.I think she likes to appear as if she knows everything,whether she does or not.
Ex: Jinger wanting to go to a big city.Jill is not a counselor and cannot say for sure what would be best for her sister.jmo.

londonbridges said...

I don't think the Duggars would seriously considering adoption. Several issues re: separate room, adoptive parents' ages, etc. Also, how fair is it to adopt a child from across the world and have sister-mommies raise him/her? The sister-mommies have their hands very full now with the youngest blessings. It is evident how little hands-on time these parents, especially Michelle, have with their blessings. JMHO.

Michigander1969 said...

Just watched the latest episode. So sad that Scott's baby ended up in a NICU for observation where NO parents are allowed.

How can new parents not be allowed to see their own babies?

That had to have been awful for the parents.

The little girls' interviews were adorable!

sandi said...

>It is evident how little hands-on time these parents, especially Michelle, have with their blessings. JMHO.

Not to mention,all the traveling they do.Jim Bob and Michelle without family to do the many speaking engagements (while the girls take care of the family back home),and all the traveling /filming they all do w/ tlc.I just don't see how they could reasonably consider it or even have it approved.It's not like Michelle is a hands-on, stay- at- home mother,no matter how hard they try to come across as such.jmo.

Alberta Rose said...

Blogger emm said...
You're very keen on agreeing with the Duggars all the time! Are you a close friend?

3/14/2013 10:39 AM

When I view this blog on my laptop, this shows up as a comment. When I view it on my Smartphone, it shows as a reply to a comment of mine. I don't agree with everything the Duggars do. As a Child of the 70's I believe that women have freedom of choice, which should be encourage and uplifted. If a secular woman's choice of going from home schooling to being apprenticed to a midwife, dressing modestly, staying a virgin, living at home until marriage, treating her parents and siblings with respect and love was being dissed, I would be just as prompt to defend her choices as I am my fellow Sisters in Christ, the Duggar and Bates women.

Elspeth said...

Choice, yes. If the Duggar adult children had made a conscious and informed choice for this lifestyle, I'd have no objections either. Based on evidence of those who have escaped the stranglehold of Gothard's patriarchal cult like organization, they don't have free choice over their lives. Until we know that the Duggar parents are giving their children a full, free, informed choice on living their life, then I'll object to what they're doing. They are, in my opinion, robbing their children of their futures in the name of a man - Bill Gothard. I think it is shameful and wrong.

Ben Churchill said...

From the first moment I saw David Waller, my gaydar went off. I swear something's fishy there, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if he ends up "coming out" later in life, or is caught doing something. Poor guy, he's stuck in this, and likely feels like it's his only option. That, in turn, makes me feel bad for Priscilla and the baby, because ultimately everyone will end up getting hurt. It's just that he seems disinterested during the courtship phase, and then the overly "sweet" staged romantic gestures. It's just...fake.

sandi said...

>Choice, yes. If the Duggar adult children had made a conscious and informed choice for this lifestyle, I'd have no objections either. Based on evidence of those who have escaped the stranglehold of Gothard's patriarchal cult like organization, they don't have free choice over their lives. Until we know that the Duggar parents are giving their children a full, free, informed choice on living their life, then I'll object to what they're doing. They are, in my opinion, robbing their children of their futures in the name of a man - Bill Gothard. I think it is shameful and wrong.
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Yes, I think the Duggars are cowards,hiding behind the Bill Gothard lifestyle.It gives them the level of control they want,while pretending to be scripturally sound,even though it is far from it.
I think Michelle feels the need to submit to her husband's will,or has been coerced into it,via guilt trips,unsound doctribe or whatnot (although I suspect she also enjoys the level of control it gives them over their offspring).JMO.

Stephanie said...

They will just marry a Gothard agreeable like Josh. Why the girls haven't found a husband at these meetings is interesting. When they were asked if the were looking for a "david waller" type they politely side stepped the question which I thought was interesting andi gave them a little more credit for having better taste than a gay Christian type. Maybe they will somehow meet a man that is actually in a real college studying to have a job in service. One of the smartest men we have ever known had a Phd and could speak read and write Hebrew etc.and was a professor. There are good Godly educated men and women out there.

I'm going to end all of my posts with the following: Whatever happened to College Plus?

hello said...

I don't think any of the girls will marry until they are done raising their parent's many blessings and until Jim Bob finds them the right authority figure to marry. Of course the girls can't be trusted to find their own man. If they were allowed out of their parent's sight they might actually find a man that might encourage them to get an education and (gasp) maybe have a career other than making as many babies as they possibly can and staying home.
As far as College Plus, it is kind of hard to take any type of college classes when you are busy raising your siblings, cooking, cleaning, doing laundry and traveling the world to be filmed to promote your family lifestyle.

Faith said...

I think someone on the David and Priscilla website is poking fun at them without them realizing it. This person has commented before and I thought to myself, "Is this person being real?" And them the person commented on the baby shower by saying that they give gifts to the "unsaved" and those gifts are called "golden showers." That must be a joke.

Not a Fan said...

Just looked at the Duggar blog...Put tights on the child. I'm sorry but putting leggings under that cute dress Mackynzie was wearing looked stupid. I am an adult and have twin 5 year olds and I am saying point blank the outfit on the child looked stupid. All because their stupid belief system that talks about modesty. Tights under the dress would have been modest and looked cuter. Heck the dress was long enough to not have any thing under it. If they are worried about unders showing, throw on some shorts under the dress. I think the thing that bothers me most is that the two purples are not the same. Come on people. Okay I'm nit picking here I know it. It has come to this for me. I cant stand anything they do any more, so I nit pick.

Patrice said...

Faith, I think that is a joke too. That is the problem with these folks being so far removed from reality. They know nothing of modern TV, radio, books, etc. and obviously slang is completely foreign to them. I have seen similar examples on the Bates's site where it is pretty obvious that people are just putting them on, and they are falling for it.
Also the spelling on David and Priscilla's site is atrocious. They spelled "third" like "therd" and showed a picture of "Rees' Peanut Butter Cups". Kind of sad, really. More SOTDRT wisdom imparted.