Free Discussion, June, 2014

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Judy said...

I serously can't imagine an entire special of Amy moving to Nashville and trying to make it as a singer.

Csnee317 said...

Yeah, I wish her all the best but I cannot imagine watching a whole episode about her either. I have always felt that the only reason they had her on the show was to try and prove to the world that they are loving and open to all lifestyles (because, OMG, Amy wears pants and dates boys without supervision!) Definitely going to pass on watching any shows about cousin Amy.

Anonymous said...

Jim Bob knows that having kids court=big ratings. The evidence is there too. I am expecting more and more courting and weddings and then we'll have to see what happens with each of the kids' marriages/kids.

Which kids will stick to the fundie lifestyle, which will break away through marriage?

I still say that it's finally getting interesting and that the shows won't go away anytime soon.

It's interesting to see how the kids evolve and look forward to seeing them as more free adults.

As for Amy, I wish her well, but not interested enough to invest time in watching her show. I expect that one will not see success.

Monica said...

Well Judy; They don't have the wedding ready yet. Must not be anything going on with the rest of the Duggars right now !!!

Susan said...

I smell a spin off!

Special Ed Lady said...

Me either. She is not all that good of a singer.

tulip said...

They have been trying to promo Amy from the very beginning and it's never worked. I'm assuming the show will bomb and hopefully that will be the last straw.
I'd like to see Jill go shopping with Derick's mom for her wedding gown, I wouldn't be worried if that were the case, however, since it's not, I'm unfortunately preparing myself for the worst dress yet.
My prediction is that with all the hype over the other siblings & Bates fam., Josh & Anna will absolutely have to conceive and quickly if they want to keep collecting TLC paychecks. We probably haven't seen or heard anything yet because they'll have to time it right, so as not to be overshadowed by anymore courtship news & weddings.

geistmadl said...

Amy gets on my nerves. I see this series collapsing a after a season or less.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, sorry, but I'm just not that interested in Amy's life. I don't think she's a terrible singer, just that she's not that great and outstanding to be a celebrity singer. I hope that this isn't too hard on her, but if she must try it, let her do so earlier in life than later. I would rather watch another Duggar episode which would follow Jill's engagement activity as a season's finale.

Anonymous said...

I will never watch a show just about Amy. Not interested in her at all. In terms of Josh and Anna, given that Michelle has had 2 sets of fraternal twins, rest assured that her girls will have twins also. I bet it will be more that one daughter who pumps out 2 at once on the toilet. The tendency to conceive fraternal twins is genetic. Having twins will overshadow a new little Joshie or Annie for sure. I can hear it now

"Double Duggar"

blah

Judy said...

The Duggars have a very smart frachise there...whereas other realty shows can get boring from "We're going to the zoo" episode or "we're going to paint the kids' room" episode, the Duggars have many years more of courtships (OMG, they frontal hugged!), engagements (There's a bulge in my pocket!) weddings (We're going to have our first awful kiss in front of everyone!) pregnancy announcements (no birth control!) and births. (It's easy to have your baby at home!) Literally, they have years and years of this stuff coming up.

Anonymous said...

If Amys mom is Jim Bob's sister, why is her last name Duggar?

flowerchild said...

In the proposal episode Josh made the comment how quickly things go by like he and Anna were courting then married now 3 kids. The way he said it sounded like he was sad to have given up his youth so quickly. No dating time or even newly wed time. Very sad indeed.

Anonymous said...

Re: Flowerchild's quote on Josh and time going by so fast..

Well Josh, it DID go by fast because you lived in hyper-speed. After just meeting a total stranger who lived in Florida, courtship,engagement,marriage, and kids asap. You did it to yourselves because the hand sex just wasn't doing it anymore for you two...you are ALL rushed into marriage..so sad you DID give up your youth, but you were never allowed to actually have one in the first place. Sorry you and your siblings were born into such a twisted belief system.

tulip said...

"If Amy's mom is Jim Bob's sister, why is her last name Duggar?"

This has been addressed many times, and from what I gather no one is really sure if her given last name is Duggar or Jordan (her dad's last name.) Her mom & dad were not married when Amy was born and this is why people assume her last name is Duggar. But when she first started singing several years ago she did in fact market herself as Amy Jordan (although changed the spelling as "Jordyn", thinking it looked more interesting for showbiz?, OR, if her given last name is in fact Duggar didn't want to be associated with who the Duggars were back then?) She had a CD titled that, Amy Jordyn. Once the Duggars had their show and became well-liked AND popular, ever so coincidentally it seemed she all of a sudden became known as Amy Duggar and started marketing herself as such. Her website at the time even referred to her as a "star" of the show. Now this is one big reason I find her so annoying...anything to get famous, but under the guise of just sweet ol' fun-loving cousin Amy...ugh.

Katie Ann said...

Amy's mother and father were not married when she was born, which is why she has the last name "Duggar" (her mom's maiden name) although now they are married and her father's last name is Jordyn so sometimes she's shown as being Amy Jordyn - it seems to vary a lot depending on whether she wants to be associated with the Duggar family or not.

pumpkin said...

Amy is an OK singer. Not great. She would be an asset to a church choir or a real fun person to go do karaoke with, but I doubt she has what it takes to be a superstar Nashville country singer. She might get a gig in Branson or Dollywood.

Mary P said...

Did anyone else notice when Anna was attempting to ski with Michael she was wearing a tight fitted blue jean skirt? Never, in my lifetime have I witness anyone wearing a skirt on the slopes. Later she changed into a ski suit when skiing with Josh. But to actual witness her with a skirt on the slopes was a hoot!!

Anonymous said...

I feel sorry for Michelle. Gothard only valued women when they are young virgins and transition to married women bearing children. This religious sect never prepared women for being middle-aged and older. Michelle keeps talking about her new season to keep herself sane. I think she may have a breakdown when Jill and Jessa become pregnant.

Beth said...

Not really true about Amy's last name. She used Jordan until Duggar became known to the country.

Anonymous said...

I am still so freaked out by the mini putt dry humping episode. How can they not address how wrong this was and continue to preach modesty? I think a frontal hug is more acceptable than a dry hump and snarky comment . I defended their right to their lifestyle til I saw that episode. I do not believe in their supposed sterling character anymore.

Dianne said...

I am happy for Jill and Derick. I think with Michelle and Jim Bob visiting the "fertility clinic", the reality that their parenthood is "over" is coming through...........finally. Now they can focus on their younger kids growing up and also on becoming grandparents through their older children.

Anonymous said...

Interesting opinion article about how the Duggars are handling the Gothard scandal.

http://powderroom.jezebel.com/how-are-the-duggars-dealing-with-the-gothard-sex-scanda-1581883720

tulip said...

Pics from Jill's midwifery, Mommy's Butterfly, threw her a wedding shower w/ guests from moms & babies she helped deliver. How very sweet & thoughtful, not to mention in no way tacky as in leaving Duggarland, you see how things are different. There is a pic of Jill holding the cake, just a regular size round but looks so nice & well done, unlike the cheapo looking cake JB & Michelle held up in the pic from her bridal shower. It said 'she said yes...totally!' on top of the cake. Nice, funny, sweet, etc. The whole event looked, shall we say, normal and done by people who aren't pulling in millions of dollars from TV show paychecks. There is also a pic of Jill wearing her glasses.

Anonymous said...

If I were Amy's father, I would be insulted. His daughter ditched his name for her uncle's? She changed names like a ping pong ball...so disrespectful of her to her father. No wonder he doesn't appear on the show; I'm sure he's disgusted by it, seemingly like Derick's step dad and brother. His mom appears when appropriate. You can tell she isn't a famewhore; unlike Ben's mother; gushing all over Jessa, who she really doesn't know at all.

Anonymous said...

How sad for Derick. I read some of the Pistol Pete interview, and sadly, Derick's father passed away suddenly before he could tell his father that he was continuing the tradition of the mascot. I feel so badly for this young man. I hope he finds a lot of happiness in his life and remains close to HIS family. Jill needs to make him happy.

Nancy Ann said...

I agree that people are much more interested now that the kids are starting to actually have lives of their own. The focus will be more and more on the offspring and their families and less and less on Jim Bob and Michelle. I see the show ending when JB and Michelle become completely irrelevant. I don't think their egos can take that.

Anonymous said...

The girls all rode horses in long skirts once. It was very sad to see.

Ginger said...

RE:Mary P. comment about Anna on the slopes in the jean skirt. She made the statement, that she was so busy, she forgot to put her snow clothes on & Josh pointed it out to her.(What?) She was afraid the kids would lose interest in skiing if she took the time to put her ski clothes on, so she waited until they were finished & put her ski pants on then. Absolutely ridiculous, as all she had to do was put on the snow pants, she had the rest of the outfit on already. Go Figure.

Anonymous said...

I just watched an episode where they all go to a 10/5K run. They show up in long skirts and flip flops, the boys in long pants and a variety of shoe types. The boys run of course, the girls walk. Sad.

Katies Mom said...

I believe every word about Anna & the snow pants, as I heard her say that myself. It was snowing like mad when they went skiing. How could you forget, that part of the outfit, was the snow pants? She had the rest of the outfit on; snow parka, goggles, helmet, etc. She did say she forgot the ski pants & Josh pointed it out to her. Nothing wrong with their feelings or principals about always wearing skirts, but when you live by those kinds of rules, it doesn't really make sense to take up a sport like skiing! I also remember, the time, for Joy's birthday they went rock climbing (indoors) & there was Joy trying to hold her skirt closed, as she climbed the wall. Oh, did I mention, Joy also had on flip-flops, as she was climbing a rock wall. So guess they can do any sport in skirts. Michelle went diving & wakeboarding, in a dress.

CannedSoup said...

I would propose that modesty entails more than the type of outfit, it also entails the appropriate outfit for the occasion. E.G. slacks or "culottes" for riding horses and bikes or climbing walls; snow pants for skiing, etc. This goes for shoes, too. In addition, a dose of common sense is always a good thing. Wearing a skirt for the sake of wearing a skirt, even if circumstances dictate otherwise, is not common sense. Jesus even pointed this out when he talked about men eating the showbread from the tabernacle when they had no other food---normally they weren't supposed to eat it, but circumstances made it allowable. God gave us brains to make wise decisions.

Ashley said...

I'm wondering if the reason Anna forgot the snow pants is that she put the rest of the gear on, but wanted to wait on the snow pants because of their no-pants thing. If she didn't want to wear pants until it was absolutely necessary, she might have planned to put them on immediately before going outside but then she got too busy. A skirt feels normal to her so she wouldn't have had the reminder even from cold legs, IMO.

The skirts-only people I know where snow pants with skirts over top of them. I guess we can be thankful she didn't go that far. :)

Anonymous said...

I don't have a problem with skirts, but I wish the Duggars would realize that not ALL skirts are more modest than other attire, and skirts are certainly not always appropriate. Wake boarding, skiing, riding horses, etc, in a dress draws more attention to a woman and her legalistic views than it does to her "heart for the Lord." I know many wonderful Christian girls/ladies who always dress in a modest, classy manner but who also dress for the occasion without drawing undue attention to themselves. See, I think sometimes people like the Duggars get so wrapped up in feeling "holy" and righteous and modest because of their skirts that they lose sight of the fact that God sees your heart and does not see you as better than others because of your long, denim skirt. Again, I agree with modesty for the Christ-follower, but modestly absolutely does come in many forms. A nice pair of khaki slacks and a pretty blouse is certainly acceptable and in many cases, MORE modest than skirts anyway. And by the way, I think wearing a skirt to do water sports, snow sports, riding horses, etc., can actually be quite dangerous. I just wish so much that the Duggars and Gothardites would realize that skirts are not the only form of modest clothing and that they don't make you a holier woman. Please don't be scared that you're a sinner because you wear slacks or even classy jeans or sporting gear. My goodness. Talk about going overboard with worldly viewpoints. To not want to be viewed as "worldly," the Duggars sure do focus a lot on clothes and sex.

Eli said...

There is a large population of conservative Mennonites that ski where I do and they all wear skirts over snow pants (made out of some kind of stretchy athletic type of fabric). I was surprised Anna didn't wear something similar.

Anonymous said...

Do these people know how ridiculous they look with a skirt OVER pants? THEY ARE WEARING PANTS. So, get over it ladies. I'll never understand their illogical thinking. When it's necessary to wear pants, it can be way more modest than a skirt will ever be. So, I don't get it.

Anonymous said...

Are we supposed to think that Anna doesn't have a crotch with the skirt stuff and all? Well, we certainly know she has one after birthing 3 kids on TV for the whole world to see. Snow pants will hide any real bodily outline and keep her stupid legs warm. She must have been freezing unnecessarily in the ice and snow with a dumb skirt and opaque stockings that you wear in September up there..Such stupidity.

Anonymous said...

Bill Gothard's rules for women and girls serves only to restrict and control them. Remember, this is an unmarried man with no children who simply wants to create a utopia for men. Jim Bob, Gil Bates and Josh love the rules.

Stephanie said...

Since we are talking of the skirts and modesty, the entire so called point of modesty is to have men look at their face when in all actually wearing skirts at inappropriate timea does the opposite and actually brings attentention to the women which ultimately i believe they desire. Ex: Michelle squeezing next to young cute Ben in his truck wad 100% inappropriate but Michelle lovea to be addored.
Has anyone seen or read "The White Queen"? Margeret Beaufort (mother of King of England) was pioua but her own mother callef her out on her vanity and how she secretly wanted to be adored and desired. Thats Michelle. JIM bob had inflated Michelles ego and told her how beautiful she that she actully believes it

Anonymous said...

Re: Ashley's comment about the "skirts only," people she knows, wearing skirts over snow pants, I too, agree that when you live by those restrictive rules you don't take up a sport like skiing. These people take many thing too far, I agree you can be very modest & not be wearing pants.

hello said...

Of course the men would love Gothard's rules. According to him, women should obey their men and do as they are told and never question them. I don't understand why women would follow the rules of marriage and child rearing from a man who has never been married and never had children.

Londonbridges said...

The Gothardite men love the rules. What's not to like? The females in the household are totally expected to obey. Sex seems to be on demand, etc. the women/girls seem to be just dandy with these expectations, but I wonder how they really feel. We will never know, because the truth won't be revealed. So sad. JMHO.

got2bdrc said...

Amy Duggar, country singer--I say, NOT! She seems like a nice enough girl, but doesn't have any sort of distinctive talent. She'd be an o.k. church soloist but that's about the size of it, IMHO.

Anonymous said...

Doesn't sound like many are interested in Amy, including me. I always felt Amy is trying to ride the coat tails of the Duggar's show. Seems they have tried to "promote" her on the show a few times, without success. I'll be skipping the "Amy" episode. Not interested in her at all.

Anonymous said...

Amy's show won't make it. In all fairness, she seems like a nice and genuine girl, but the "likability factor" is not there overall for her to succeed in a stand-alone TV show about herself. That being said, I do appreciate the fact that she is showing people that Christian girls don't have to be Gothardites... that Christian girls can wear things other than long skirts and clunky shoes... and that Christian girls can be really silly and pursue normal dreams that don't involve midwifery. So kudos to Amy for all that. Sadly, her show will not make the ratings cut, and if it does, it will be a major shock. Good luck to this girl, though.

tulip said...

Anyone else finding the boys really annoying lately, just some of their expressions on Instagram & such...Idk, they just seem pretty cocky & self-righteous to me, even Josiah who I thought used to be the little cute guy I just find too goofy. I'd much rather see more of the Bates boys who seem more mature for what should be their age and more genuine, humble personalities.

Anonymous said...

I'm very surprised that the numbers were as high as they were. Unlike some bloggers, I don't really dislike Amy, I think the powers to be at TLC, as well as JB & Michelle actually enjoy making a joke out of her. At least she's a real person. She's not constantly spouting off bible verses, talking about her character qualities, how she'll never hold hands until after she's engaged, save her first kiss, etc. At little of that goes a long way. I am still surprised at the numbers.

Miz Kizzle said...

Is anybody else speechless with shock over the picture of Jessa holding a pink and black assault rifle (awwww! Such a cute and girly gun!) that Ben posted on his Facebook page? Jessa is posing all pouty and dangerous-looking, like a modern Bonnie of Bonnie and Clyde. Ben proudly wrote a warning that his future bride was not to be "messed with," the implication being that any messing (attempted frontal hugging perhaps?) Would be met with a hail of hot lead.
WTF? Why do fundies love guns so much? The picture looked like it was taken in some kind of sporting goods store, but do the Duggars own many guns? Is the rifle on Jessa's wedding gift registry?

JoanieS said...

I have been watching the Duggars from the beginning. I don't agree with everything they do, but I also don't bash everything they do. The one thing that drives me crazy is all the papergoods!! STOP the paper plates, cheap plastic forks and plastic cups! USE REAL DISHES!!!! They have not only a "regular" dishwasher, but a commercial one as well - USE THEM!

Anonymous said...

There are so many things that concern me about the Duggars, I don't know where to begin. It would be a family worth ignoring except for the fact that they step into the world of political activism in attempts to change policies and laws to reflect their own and they are woefully and happily uneducated.

Jim Bob and Michelle don't discuss current events or history except for moral issues from a Biblical perspective. They're never depicted reading a book or newspaper. The kids don't go to the library and check out books. They only go to bookstores to promote their own books. No one lounges around on the sofa with a chapter book or a Kindle. No one reads books to the little ones that we've seen.

As a middle and high school teacher, graduating at age sixteen rarely allows time for rigorous English, science and math courses and two years of a foreign language. Jim Bob says that neither he nor Michelle went to college and they "did all right," but what he doesn't realize is that higher education involves much more than just job training which anyone who went to college realizes.

Re. the courtships, someday I hope one of the kids admits that he or she sneaked a private kiss before the wedding. It's just weird to experience a very first kiss in front of hundreds of people, let alone millions. A first kiss is usually a private moment to be treasured, not exploited. And a first kiss often isn't a sexual act, but just a symbol of entry into the world of adulthood or an act of reciprocal caring and trust.

Jim Bob and Michelle are disrespectful, controlling parents as shown by their listening in on their children's conversations, reading their messages and texts from friends, and constantly questioning them about every detail of their relationships. This might be fine if the kids are fourteen. Twenty-four? Ridiculous and bizarre. If I did that to my twenty-one year old, he would politely and gently ask me to mind my own business and he would be right.

I don't know any parents who would encourage their daughter to get engaged and married to a boy who is only eighteen. It's obvious that Ben can't wait to get to the physical aspect of marriage and both sets of parents are forcing those two right into that situation. I predict a very unhappy union for those two if it happens at all which I doubt.

no1 said...

My husband refuses to watch any Duggar programming (he says they make him angry). However, once I told him about the "side hug" he gives me one several times a day! "I love you, now let me give you a side hug!" I think it has become so funny because it's so utterly ridiculous.

Judy said...

I was chatting with someone the other night who said she liked the Duggars because they support their own family rather than rely on government support. When I expressed that the kids support them, by being filmed on television doing everything, even as they are not allowed to watch television themselves, she acted like this didn't make sense.

Anonymous said...

"Anonymous Anonymous said...
There are so many things that concern me about the Duggars, I don't know where to begin. It would be a family worth ignoring except for the fact that they step into the world of political activism in attempts to change policies and laws to reflect their own and they are woefully and happily uneducated. "

Excellent post and so right on the mark.

Jaac&Jil said...

"Anonymous said...
There are so many things that concern me about the Duggars, I don't know where to begin. It would be a family worth ignoring except for the fact that they step into the world of political activism in attempts to change policies and laws to reflect their own and they are woefully and happily uneducated"

Anonymous, your post is the most amazing and brilliant post that has ever appeared on this site. Written like the true educator that you are.

You have stated point by point all that is wrong with the Duggars. Too bad you can't impart all your wisdom and knowledge on them.

sandi said...

Re: Jessa and guns.The Duggars always have to make a political statement out of everything.I do beleive her parents put her up to it.
It reminds me of how they used Jubilee's loss to promote their own agendas,and even used it to snipe against working women. ("we did not consider you a career interuptor")That line alone was full of snark and put-downs about working mothers!
It's so annoying when ppl use family to make political statements.I refuse to allow anyone to do that to mine,unlike the Duggars.Family is family and choices are a private matter,not up for public political fodder. (like birth control,for example).

Missy said...

Re:Judy's comment. I don't know who you were talking to, but I must say you are absolutely correct. I think many people, that haven't been watching the show/ministry for very long, don't really realize how long these kids have been performing for the Duggar Circus, with no payment. Don't they realize how illogical it is for a family to have a TV show, but not allow TV, in their own home? Of course, they allow every high tech item that's on the market to be in the home. I have also heard the same comment, & there is just no common sense answer to it. Apparently, it's just us heathens that have TV. Thank goodness for the Duggars, that there isn't anything that could defraud the kids on the internet.

Ginger said...

RE: Anonymous (6/12 @10:31p.m.) Your description of the Duggars & their family life, is absolutely the most accurate and concise account, of the Duggars that I have read. You absolutely hit the nail on the head, & covered all aspects with regard to lack of education, current events, parental control of adults. I truly applaud your excellent post.

Kati's Mom said...

I will never understand how the Duggars can say with a straight face, that they are not contributing a large carbon footprint to the planet, with all their disposable diapers, paper plates, plastic cups, plastic utensils. Add to that their many vehicles. They have everything from: a large bus for over 20 people, box trucks, a numbers of SUV's, pick-up trucks, & vans, down to a golf cart. They say there is no overpopulation, it's a myth & the entire population of the world, could fit into the confines of Jacksonville, FL. I wonder, how many paper products a day, each of those people could use, before overpopulation began to become a serious issue. Can you imagine, if each of these people owned the number of vehicles the Duggars own? So it's a case of, do as I say, not as I do. What bothers me is, this is what they are teaching their kids. Jill used to preach this line big time, believing every word Jim Bob said. Now, her fiancee, Derick, is a well educated young man. How will she resolve a lifetime of believing her parents teachings when she marries a more mainstream young man? This is an issue a majority of these kids will face when they go out in the real world, if they find a mate that is more mainstream. The Duggars aren't doing those kids any favors.

Alberta Rose said...

sandi said: It's so annoying when ppl use family to make political statements.I refuse to allow anyone to do that to mine,unlike the Duggars.Family is family and choices are a private matter,not up for public political fodder. (like birth control,for example).

Michelle Duggar has been very inspirational to those of us who feel that women need to be better informed about birth control and what it can do physically, emotionally and mentally to a woman. She also inspires natural birth advocates to give women freedom of choice in regards to where they give birth and with whom. Michelle Duggar has been used as an example when a doctor utters an inane statement like "Once a cesearean, always a cesearean" or "twins have to be born by ceasearean" or when someone tells a married woman "you have three school aged children, you should stop attempting for a fourth, update your education and get a job".

Anonymous said...

Ben may be a great guy who really loves Jessa; however, it is obvious that he is about to go insane if he can't be physical with her. It is written all over his expressions, actions, words... he is just oozing with lust. And the thing is, that is normal BUT with their strict rules, he feels he must rush to the marriage alter as fast as possible to fulfill his desire to even kiss her or hold her in his arms. Sometimes I think these people confuse love and lust, but are so entangled in their desires - even simple desires like cuddling - that they focus heavily on marriage to fulfill those needs of physical contact with their significant other. Don't get me wrong; I personally believe in waiting until marriage for intercourse. I am just saying, I do not believe it is sinful to hug, briefly kiss, innocently cuddle or show signs of romantic affection with a serious boyfriend/fiance. If not allowed to show innocent physical affection, it seems like it is unnecessary torture. You don't have to have sex; it doesn't have to be all or nothing. But treating a serious boyfriend/girlfriend or fiancé like they are nothing but a BFF is just not a normal human action toward the person that you want to spend the rest of your life with. Like I said, I really think Ben loves Jessa, but is also dying with lust for her simply because he is not even allowed to hold her hand or give her a peck on the cheek. It's so sad because now it seems that he has channel vision toward the marriage alter where he can finally officially fulfill his need to give her a kiss.

Anonymous said...

Re: Alberta Rose's comment. I don't want to sound mean, but what century is a woman living in that, she doesn't know or can't find out, (i.e. internet,) about all aspects of birth control: freedom of choice, where to give birth, vaginal births after C-sections. In this day & age of technology nobody needs Michelle Duggar to give us expert opinions & that's all they are opinions, not fact!

Not a fan said...

I don't look at Michelle as an advocate toward how to birth a baby. Yes, I originally thought I'd have a c-section with my twins because my son was not turning. Then when my water broke at 31 weeks, he had turned. So I did not have the c-section. She has nothing to do with my doctors decision, it was medical, science, common sense. There was a point where after my daughter was born, I almost needed the C because my son was not coming down. Instead my doc said he just didn't want to cut me open after the work done for the first. Everyone made it safe. IMO the duggars fling their stuff at whom ever will blindly listen. These deprived people that are so engrossed in the ways of Gothard and conform to not ask questions. It's so sad. IMO

Anonymous said...

There's nothing wrong with being inspirational. Most of the children seem sweet and surely Jim Bob and Michelle have good intentions. But there's a difference between inspiration and influence. They choose to be uneducated so are ill-equipped to thrust themselves into the political spotlight to push their agenda. For example, there are multiple points on the spectrum between having no babies and having a baby every nine months until menopause. Restraint can be exercised without people becoming morally decrepit. Michelle's statement, "Saying there are too many children is like saying there are too many flowers," makes me crazy. What she is really stating is, "Saying there are too many children is like saying there is too much poverty, malnutrition and disease." I doubt they could discuss world hunger or global climate issues such as drought.

Michelle said that she "wants to be ready to catch a baby if God gives her one." She seems to imagine that a God who looks and acts like a human tosses babies down to her from heaven as a reward for good behavior. I wasn't convinced when Jim Bob and Michelle said that they would be happy if God didn't give them another baby. Actually, they don't need any more babies because they still have nineteen who will never grow up because Jim Bob and Michelle will not let them go. If any of them do become their own persons, I will admire their courage.

Wampascat said...

Jill is still adding items to her registry. Today a $2400 riding lawn mower and two rifles. I kid you not.

sandi said...


Re: Michelle Duggar has been very inspirational to those of us who feel that women need to be better informed about birth control and what it can do physically, emotionally and mentally to a woman. She also inspires natural birth advocates to give women freedom of choice in regards to where they give birth and with whom. Michelle Duggar has been used as an example when a doctor utters an inane statement like "Once a cesearean, always a cesearean" or "twins have to be born by ceasearean" or when someone tells a married woman "you have three school aged children, you should stop attempting for a fourth, update your education and get a job".
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I would have to agree with the others,there are many more ppl and professionsls who are much more educated on this than Michelle Duggar.
And if Michelle wants to talk about the pill,she needs to discuss all aspects of it,instead of complain that it 'caused her to miscarry',without knowing that for sure.(It could have been for many reasons,like faulty dna being a big factor for many of them).
The pill has many redeeming qualities,such as lowering the risk of uterine and ovarian cancer,and it can also help with things like endometriosis,pms,cramping and acne.
Michelle also fails to mention that she was likely advised to stop having babies before the Josie and Jubilee fiasco ocurred.Thus,she does not listen, nor take into consideration sound medical advice,and still wants to try for baby no. 20,even if there's a chance it could kill her.This is not a very wise woman,imo.

Beth Anne said...

About Michelle being an inspiration, I know people come to her and all the Duggars' defense because, quite frankly, lots of people in this world can be rude or impart their opinions without being asked to do so, and some people say rude things about them and their choices and lifestyle. I'm sure I've crossed the line at times, not just with the Duggars, but in "snarking" about other people.

But, also quite frankly, even though Michelle seems to have a perpetual smile and "keeps sweet," she has said some very judgmental things as well (as has her wonderful husband) about working mothers, her and her family living to a higher standard than others, etc.

Also, re Michelle being used as an inspiration and example when someone tells a married woman "you have three school aged children, you should stop attempting for a fourth, update your education and get a job".

I think it is important to put this statement into context. Perhaps a statement like this comes from a concerned extended family member who is watching a loved one get overwhelmed by trying to be the "perfect" stay-at-home mom, or maybe because a one-salary situation is making it difficult to make ends meet. The point is that not all statements like this are a condemnation of someone's personal choice...I think back to JimBob's dad and how he (correctly) assessed the drawbacks of Michelle having so many young kids and the toll so many pregnancies were taking on her body. Because, every lifestyle choice has drawbacks. Wow, did Grandpa pay for his concern, as JimBob does NOT like to be questioned or crossed and continues to say judgmental things about his own father.

Sorry for the long post, but my point the judgmental aspect goes both ways, and sometimes people "butt in" because they are loving individuals concerned about others' welfare.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 6/14 @3:14...I agree with your statements, very well put. Michelle is not an expert on anything, I'll give her this one however, she IS experienced in delivering babies, that's all.I take offense as a Catholic, of her referral to Mother Theresa's quote about "too many flowers". Mother Theresa was referring to the already starving, neglected children who are in the world...not to continuously, and purposely keep conceiving more and more...Mother Theresa, IMO, wouldn't be proud of MIchelle,, at all, for she doesn't care for, nurture, or shower the children she already has with love, care and affection. These kids only get a "chore list' from her and instructions on how to serve HER.

Anonymous said...

Re:Not a Fan's comments. You used words, that that can never be applied to Michelle Duggar; science & common sense. If she ever had any knowledge of these words, they have been drilled out of her over the past 30 yrs. How in the world can Michelle be inspirational to women, regarding what "birth control" can do to women, physical, emotionally, and mentally? That statement made no sense to me. It didn't say, pregnancy or the, "birth process." It said ,"birth control." Doesn't compute in my brain.

Anonymous said...

Michelle has always been an inspiration to me to use my God given brain to fact check and analyze what I hear from other people and to know follow other people mindlessly.

Ginger said...

I can't believe JimBob's immediate comment, following the engagement announcement at their home was about hoping to become grandparents, again, soon. Perhaps, it would have been the perfect time, for someone to remind him, that he & Michelle were married for 3 years, yes three, count them (Oh that's another show). Anyway, when you listen to Josh talk, it does sound as though he might have some regrets about not having any time with Anna to just be newlyweds. It just shows that that Jim Bob & Michelle are often people that say; do as I say , not as I do.

Nancy Ann said...

It's only a matter of time before the Duggar's perfect Gothard life is no longer perfect. Someone will have fertility issues, a child with special needs, a marriage that is in trouble, a health crisis, an accident, etc. Or one of the kids will simply decide Gothardism is not for them. Someone will discover they are gay. Someone will move away from Arkansas (and not fly back all the time like Josh). Someone will have money problems. Even things that most of us would consider great achievements will upset the apple cart, like going to college and having a professional career. It will be interesting to see what happens with the "reality" show when the reality is not what the Duggars want to portray. Of course, we are not seeing the full reality right now, either, but for now they are able to skirt around any imperfections.

Anonymous said...

Re Ginger and Nancy Anne's comments: Yes, JB and Michelle had some years together before Josh was born, (but that was before they saw the light and the errors of their ways), but I'm sure they enjoyed that newlywed time like normal people do; it was inappropriate of JB to make that comment as it's not leaving it up to God, is it? It's pushing the fertility towards a baby..an obsession with him, too. Also, yes, I agree that I heard in Josh, some mile regret that he didn't have much time with Anna before Mac was born either. I wish TLC would show what really is going on there, for this is neither a reality show, nor a sitcom, but something that is scripted, yet in between the two. If the Duggars have "warts", we should know that too, for it is giving many viewers to idolize this family a false impression of what their beliefs and lifestyle actually bring to an individual in every day life.

Anonymous said...

By the Way, Newsflash: Anna is indeed expecting M#4 in September. I can't believe how stupid they both are. She already looks exhausted and will be a hag by the time she's 28.

Anonymous said...

Another thing; has anyone else noticed a sense of competition on Anna's part when interviewed with or talking about herself and Priscilla? For heaven's sake, Pris is her own sister and I don't think that God would like this attitude from Anna at all. Some Godly woman she is. I'm sorry, but "love" starts with your own blood. Can't believe how she "boasted under the guise of kidding" that she was first to wed, bed, and have 2 kids already compared to her sis who is older than her. Sorry, but this attitude didn't look good on her. I know the Duggar guys are all made to compete with each other and I can't help but see this as a contradiction in their beliefs. Jim Bob doesn't seem like a nice guy to me at all. I bet he's an ass when dealing with him in person concerning anything especially business matters. He would swindle God himself if it meant a buck for him. JMO

tulip said...

"Jill is still adding items to her registry. Today a $2400 riding lawn mower and two rifles."

I just saw that. Omg, seriously. No amount of rationalizing can explain this. I guess they figured since all the expensive items on Amazon were purchased (Bosch kitchen machine, commercial juicer) what's another hundreds of dollars worth of stuff? Absolutely ridiculous. They also added a keyboard w/ stand, bench & foot pedal and bike rack as well as restaurant gift cards. At Walmart they added more restaurant gift cards and boxes of cereal...which were actually purchased. Yup, Fruit Loops, Raisin Bran & Dino-Bites. Really. Maybe JB told them to add the riding mower for himself after he saw how much stuff has already been purchased. Pretty much everything they registered for at BB&B has been bought.

IMO this just speaks volumes. I do like Derick, but bike rack & rifles? As far as I'm concerned it just clearly looks like they're milking people for all they're worth, and more, under the guise of 'we're getting married'...ugh. I've been to several weddings where the bride & groom had already been living together and had the basic household stuff, etc. so it made sense they would ask for gift cards to restaurants they would spend on their honeymoon, or to stores where they could buy fun stuff they wanted.

Sorry, but I just lost a lot of respect for Derick after seeing those new add-ons to the registry. He just came back from a place after 2 years where people had nothing, living in shacks and eating off the dirt and this is how quickly their mindset changes?, so they can keep on trying to get more and more stuff that has absolutely nothing with getting married & starting a life/home together?

And I hope there isn't an excuse of 'they were being funny' or 'it's a joke' because I am so over Duggar humor and goofy, corny stuff planned during times where there should be something of sentiment to be cherished. No more trips to Walmart for sardines and cling wrap or pretending to have forgot the wedding rings and jumping off the altar to run out to the parking lot.

Wampascat said...

I am so over them. The greed just turns my stomach. Derick is just another Jim Bob. He's just out for what he can get and you can sure tell you raised Jill! I have never seen anything like this. And they just keep adding things. They added a tent, double sleeping bag, two bikes, gun safe, ammunition, camcorder... Sickening.

Anonymous said...

I agree about Jill & Derick's wedding registry. It's absolutely ridiculous. Who do they think is going to pool their resources in this day & age to buy them a $2400 ride on lawn mower, 2 rifles? At first, I was thinking that, I saw Michelle' hand in "helping", Jill with her registry, but I definitely see Jim Bob's greedy hand at work in this now. When are these people going to admit that greed & I mean, real greed, such as asking for any $2400 item, for a wedding gift is a sin? But believe me,a ride on lawn mower, is definitely a must have for Jim Bob Duggar. I can see him coaching Jill & Derick, that this is the way to go...it's a once in a lifetime chance! I liked Derick from the start, but have to wonder about his role in this & what his mom & her husband think. I can't imagine. Maybe, I'm giving Derick too much credit, but I think he's just keeping his mouth shut until he gets Jill, but this is the time to man-up & show the future in-laws, your "character qualities". I must say these are some "character qualities," Jill has. Maybe, Gothard, will purchase the ride on mower for them.

Anonymous said...

I agree with tulip. The wedding registry is a travesty. Gifts are given as a choice,not out of obligation at a wedding. Since these two didn't have their own homes prior to marriage, Jill's registry should be made up of basics to start out a household; kitchen, bed, bath. If Derick needs tools, and "guy household things" that should have been addressed at the groom's shower and given by the male family and friends. I understand that is a trend which is taking off and is a good idea. Having said that, the bride's parents usually complete the other needs that Jill will have in her household; take her shopping at walMart for measuring spoons, and other personal choices. The bride's parents can afford it and can do it down the line. I don't understand these silly registries that we are seeing from this group of peope with these fundamental/strict lifestyles. Why in the world would anyone ask for cereal? Stupidity and immaturity..sorry, but Jill is acting like a 14 year old. I would think that Derick's mother would have some reservations about her son marrying so quickly after returning from overseas and about the lack of maturity and life experience that Jill displays.

sandi said...

What happened to buy used and save the difference? Is a wedding a excuse to abandon this? Of course we know they've done it many times over. (the $200 chess set for James).But I just see this as golddigging the fans and their friends and family.JMO.

Leigh Ann said...

I looked at that WM registry and a bunch of stuff had been added. I wondered if maybe someone hacked it and added stuff for a joke. But then I think if anyone did that they would have added a ton of stuff, Jill and Derick would have found out and took it down. The whole thing really just sounds unreal. I really can't imagine either of them asking for things like a riding mower and guns. And as for the mower, aren't they going to live near the family? I'm sure Jim Bob has plenty of lawn equipment and with nine brothers close by, they shouldn't have a problem finding someone to mow the lawn.

Anonymous said...

From The Washington Post - 4 days ago

The Duggars have quietly become one of the most powerful families on reality TV


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/style-blog/wp/2014/06/10/the-duggars-have-quietly-become-one-of-the-most-powerful-families-on-reality-tv/

Wampascat said...

If you go back and look at Erin or Alyssa Bates registries, which are still available on The Knot, you'll see a world of difference. Erin had a thousand people at her wedding and still had a regular, tasteful registry. Alyssa only asked for enough to start up a small household. These girls know when to say when. Maybe Jill is making it a competition ( more like Jim Bob) to say " Look at all the gifts we got".

Anonymous said...

The new family picture they posted on Instagram includes Ben, but not Derick. Also, John-David actually has his arm around Jana, which you don't really normally see them do.

Judy said...

Jim Bob and Michelle have taught the kids that "God will provide." The registry is one way of providing...They happily took TLC's furniture when they moved into their house...that was God providing. In their church, it seems common for financial help for all kinds of things..God providing. The registry is just another way.

Judy said...

Michelle is an excellent influence to young women all over the country how not to determine the size of your family. . .

Wampascat said...

Yes, I remember Michelle remarking on bags of clothing showing up on their doorstep early on even though they were well off at that point and could afford to buy clothing for their children. Michelle has also mentioned that Jill and Derick will be shopping on Craigslist to furnish their home? Really??? I'm surprised they didn't register for all new home furnishings at Ethan Allen.

Anonymous said...

Someone connected to the Duggars has to be reading this site. They just posted an Instagram photo of a brother and Josie lounging in an easy chair reading a book with a caption of something like, " 'Read me a story,' is a common phrase heard around here." I would love to see the title of the book.

Nancy Ann said...

As for Jill and Derick's ridiculous wedding registry items and all the freebies the Duggar clan has taken over the years--they are hillbillies. They have no tact and no class. They are "new money" and they don't know how to handle it with grace. It would be worse except for the fact that they do have 19 children to support. (Yes, I think Josh probably still relies on them somewhat). Another thought on the registry--Jill and Derick are not going to be missionaries any time soon. Why would they need all that stuff if they were leaving the country?

tulip said...

I saw the new family photo and see that there's a big gap next to Jill, I'm assuming that they will photoshop Derrick into that space. He prob. wasn't able to be there because he has an actual job. I bet TLC flew Josh & fam. in for Father's Day as a perk for the group photo session. Ben looks weird in the photo sitting so far away from Jessa and he needs to close his legs.

Anonymous said...

In regards to addin cereal to a wedding registry, I did put one bag of M&M's on my WM registry. I was coaching gymnastics at the time and one of my gymnasts bought it for me (us) and was so proud that she was able to do that with her allowance money. Granted I only asked for one bag and the rest of my registry was normal stuff (towels, dishes, a vaccuum).

Leigh Ann said...

It looks like the Wal-Mart registry is gone. Where is this family photo everyone is talking about?

Anonymous said...

So, what exactly do the Duggars do for their weddings? Yeah I've seen the Josh x Anna special, but it was mostly set up, with the asinine "oh where's the ring, let's act like 5-year-olds and jump off the stage and run out," plus vandalizing the married couple's car. But yeah, no sit down dinner, just finger foods and punch, and no couples dance? Nothing like that?

IMO it's kind of wrong for them to "ban" dancing of the sort with the excuse that it "inflames the senses," cuz Jim Bob is the biggest horndog out there. Seriously, the only people who think dancing would equate to sex are closeted perverted types. Dancing is a form of culture, but I guess you can't really accept culture from xenophobic control freaks.

Wednesday said...

Dear Duggars, Don't you dare preach "buy used and save the difference" and "the Lord will provide" when you are fleecing friends and family on your registry,and buying luxury items. I can see the items you are buying aren't used. Oh and don't forget that you are making more money per episode than many people make in a year. You haven't been a respectable family in years. It makes me sick to think of the poor ignorant souls who look up to you.

I don't believe in the same God you do, and I don't control my children's interests. But when we go out they are well behaved. When we buy things they are within my budget. When we get dressed up we look very nice and professional without being inappropriate. When my husband says something I don't like I feel as his EQUAL that I can call him out on it. So in essence, my family actually has more of an ethical backbone that ALL 19 and counting. My family can be well behaved, financially sound and happy without being controlled by whatever god you are worshiping.

Anonymous said...

ok, so Ben is in the family photo, and he and Jessa are still just "Courting", but Derrick is not in the family photo, and he and Jill are getting married this month? Did I miss something there?

Missy said...

This morning, in my area, there was a repeat of the episode where the Duggars had their huge flea market/auction, as a fund raiser, for the Arkansas Children's Hospital. The former football player, that had been a trainer for Jim Bob & Josh during their "weight loss challenge," pulled up in his vehicle to donate some items. Then, in a talking head segment, Jim Bob introduced him as, "this is Steve, he was our trainer during Josh & I's weight loss contest." "Josh & I's!" How can people that have such a poor command of the English Language, be completely responsible for the education of 19 children? I know, the Duggars aren't supporters of public schools for many reasons; drugs,music, etc.. but Jim Bob went to a private Christian School. I would think he would have received a better education, than to say; "this is Steve, Josh & I's trainer."

Anonymous said...

This photo has a missing space in the middle for Derick. Most likely he will be added.

Wampascat said...

Walmart registry is back. Mower, guns and all.

Leigh Ann said...

Must have just been a glitch on the WM site. Rats.

Leigh Ann said...

And an iPad. I see someone bought all four boxes of cereal. I can see needing to stock the kitchen, some couples are given pantry showers, but I'd give a grocery store gift card with a note saying it's to help fill the pantry and fridge. Registering for cereal seems kind of dumb. I remember those early days right after college of having nothing and having to slowly build up staples, spices, condiments and those kinds of things.

Nancy Ann said...

I think the most recent family photo is very telling. I know that Jessa seems to be uncomfortable with any kind of public display of affection. I understand that because I am the same way. But if I were in a family photo with a guy I thought I was going to marry I would want to be sitting closer to him. Something is not right in that relationship. I can't imagine them breaking up now, but I also find it hard to believe that they will actually get married. Maybe the apparent lack of connection wouldn't be so obvious if Jill and Derick weren't so very much in love.

ae said...

She registered for an iPad? Wow......

Anonymous said...

Once again, if that registry isn't theirs, but a silly prank from someone, Jill and Derick should step up and say so, but they haven't to my knowledge which leads me to believe that they are actually asking for these excessive unnecessary items. Lost points for them in my book.

mythoughtis said...

The registry doesn't bother me. Yes, it's tacky... but it's equally tacky for ALL couples, not just the Duggars. Yes, they have a lot of items.... they have a lot of guests and a lot of young pre-teens that want to buy their own gift for the couple. 4 boxes of cereal = $15. Maybe it's even the kind of cereal the child will eat, since the newlyweds will be expected to babysit their siblings. Kelly Bates says Erin/Chad, Zach/Whitney often come and get a couple of the kids for the night.
So they pick items that no one can afford... when I see nothing I want to buy left on a registry, I give the amount of cash I was planning on spending... problem solved.

I just wish I didn't get the feeling (it's increasing over time) that Derick is geting sucked into the Duggar craziness, and that his Mom is basically losing a son rather than gaining a daughter.

Leigh Ann said...

Where is this photo everyone is talking about? And I keep saying the same thing about the registry, if those items were added as a joke, they would have had them removed. But it seems unbelievable that it's real, too.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know when the next episodes will air? I didn't see anything new last night. Did I somehow miss a new episode? Thanks!

Wampascat said...

Someone gave them a pound party for their pantry. Everyone brings a pound of something. Makes them sound sweet and old fashioned until you see the I-pad and camcorder on their registry.

Andrea said...

I'm calling fake on the registry . . . or, the other explanation is anything not purchased off the registry can be bought at a discount after the event. For example, I registered at Crate and Barrel and after my wedding anything on my registry which hadn't been purchased I could buy myself for 10% off. So I think it's either fake or it's being used for that purpose.

Leigh Ann said...

I went to a "pounding" for someone in college. It was sort of a combination pantry/kitchen shower. Camcorder? If you're going to register for something expensive, go for a microwave or breadmaker. Those things make good group gifts and are practical. An ipad and a camcorder are just greedy luxuries. The purpose of showers and wedding gifts are to help you set up housekeeping. The little luxuries you save up for and buy yourself. Or use your cash gifts.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, you don't need an ipad and a camcorder to START a household! What nonsense from these boobs. Things like stocking the pantry is for the parents to take Jill to the supermarket and help her determine what staples she will need and use right away. That kind of stuff is not a wedding gift; neither is a lawn mower or high end electronics. They really need to address these items on their "list" as to if they are theirs or not.

tulip said...

The registry is absurd, and the fact that they continue to add items (esp. expensive & things that have nothing to do w/ getting married) days before the wedding is extremely tacky & greedy. I'm wondering if they've got lots of fans just buying up stuff and sending it to their home, and so figured why not just keep adding to it. There are plenty of items still available at Walmart that have been there from the start, including lots of stuff that only cost 99 cents to a few dollars, no need to add boxes of cereal. I was actually looking forward to Jill & Derrick's wedding, but after this whole registry fiasco I could care less & find it turns my stomach. I'm betting there won't be a single sneak peek pic of her in her wedding dress as that would be the huge tease to bring in 3-plus million viewers for a special episode. More money.

More pics on Instagram of the boys which I find really annoying. It's almost like they're trying to advertise them or something. A few of them including Joseph just sitting around reading the paper and another of Josiah sitting with his legs apart like he's flashing the camera, seriously, they must not realize what a bad position that looks like...not very modest anyway, yuck.

I'm assuming Josh & fam. are still in Ark. for the wedding. I wonder how much time he's actually spent in his office, doing work, since he's had the job.

Wampascat said...

The camcorder has been purchased. Ther has also been a picture released of several of the Duggar boys at Sam's club buying paper plates, napkins and plasticware. A ton of it on two flat bed carts.For the reception???

Anonymous said...

Anyone can use their names and start a registry, so I wouldn't put too much stock in it. If it is real, buy the girl an iPad without censored internet! heheh

Anonymous said...

Anyone else see the picture of Josh speaking on behalf of Chris McDaniel, for U.S. Senate? Michelle, is in the background, in a bright floral dress with flat beige shoes.Jim Bob has on a casual shirt,(not a polo)with one of the colors from her dress, sort of an orange sherbet. I have never seen Michelle in this type of dress, & only just to her knees. I hope to God, that she does something to her hair for the wedding. Also, I read online, that Josh is completing his law school studies. That's the first I've heard about law school for Josh, in years. Wonder when he fits that studying in, between all the speaking engagements, & flying home to AK all the time. Perhaps he is just being given a law degree, the same way he was given that job.

Anonymous said...

I think it's a bit laughable that Josh has this Washington DC "job" when he's back in Arkansas every other weekend. How much plane fare did he and his growing brood rack up this time? All paid by the sponsors over at TLC I presume, for the "Duggar Wedding Special."

Rifles, an iPad, and bike racks? Really? I don't think these luxuries are needed for a starter home either. And I noticed the Duggars do have their share of i-Products, including Macbooks and iPhones. Were those used, and saved for the difference? And even if they were, what about the data plans? You can't discount that.

Katie' Mom said...

When it comes to the Duggars & this registry list, it makes me think of what I used to hear Maya Angelow say; "when people show you who they are, believe them, the first time." This registry, is just one more "character quality," in a very long line of what the Duggars have shown us over the years. They can pull out their Bibles, quote verses, not listen to pop music,or dance, watch TV, etc. But with this registry, as well as many other things in the past, they have truly have shown us what they are.

Anonymous said...

Just saw a closeup picture of Josie. She seems very bright to me. She certainly walked, talked & hit a lot of milestones a lot sooner that I though she would. Having said that, does anyone know if she has any existing problems, from being a micro premie? She does have a strange high forehead & her eyes almost appear too big for her face. Also, her hair has always been so very thin & stringy, I would expect that until at least the age of 2 or 3, but she is now 4. When she get excited, she begins to hit herself wildly in the forehead, in a bizarre way, almost uncontrollably. I worry for her as, I don't think it's good for her, but the family just laughs at that, & seem to encourage her as they do with her blowing kisses. She gets out of control with that also. I'm always afraid she'll hurt herself hitting her forehead like that. I hope she has ongoing neurological workups. We haven't seen anything like that lately, with all the courting, engagement & book signings.

AddiMom said...

I agree with the other poster who said that they might be adding stuff last minute to be able to use the "completer" coupon that many places give to couples to use on unpurchased items on their registry. It's actually pretty smart- especially for big ticket items that you know no one will buy you. They may also get a lot of cash presents, which again would make sense to have that cash stretch a little further. Derrick is an accountant after all- he is probably very money savvy.

Anonymous said...

I don't think for a minute that Josh has a real job. They are just using his Duggar name and they pay him for that. The FRC is a hate group.

Leigh Ann said...

Derick works at Wal-Mart so he already gets a 10% discount. If they got another 10% on top of that, that would be pretty good.

Anonymous said...

Josh finishing up "law studies"? Can't be. You need 4 years at a university and graduate with a bachelor's degree first. It is then 3 years of law school and you have to pass the exams, then the state bar exam...if he is given a real law degree without being a 4 year college graduate, it is a travesty and an insult to any real lawyer out there. I know, my husband is a lawyer and didn't have it handed to him. I'm sure this "law studies" is a gross exaggeration in terms. It may be a law class like I had in high school that he will be "completing".....

Anonymous said...

FRC, being a hate group or not, is a real paying job that Josh is not qualified for. They passed over many existing, qualified employees who would have earned and welcomed the promotion and the raise they would have deserved. I don't think he is well received at the office...like I said, hate group or not, they are employees.

Missy said...

Absolutely, Josh does not have a real job. The FRC is just using him, for PR purposes. However, I think, he thinks he's God's gift to all the political candidate & causes he is endorsing. He just loves the attention & flattery he gets standing up there at a podium. Supposedly, all their lives, these kids have been taught about "pride" & being prideful is a sin. But it does seem to slip their minds of late. That goes for Michelle & Jim Bob too.

tulip said...

I personally just can't afford Jill & Derrick any excuses on this one. Although there are lots of places that give you a discount on your registry items, say up to 90 days after your event date, I don't even think Walmart is one of them. I could be wrong. BTW, the camcorder was just purchased. And between the 3 registries purchases have been made so they have double coffee makers, juicers, blenders, irons and knife block sets. Seriously, I really am tired of talking about the registry but doubling up on stuff too?

What this ultimately boils down to for me, time & time again is that these are the Duggars. Buy used save the difference, live debt-free, Jim Sammons. Jill herself has preached this living off a dime theology from her own mouth. So what it says to me is not a young couple just doing what every other couple does, or trying to get what they can because mom & dad keep all the money, or they just want nice stuff for themselves because Jill has always had to share everything, blah, blah, BUT, rather, Wow, this family pulls in millions & they're ok w/ their "ministry" putting forth an example of this nonsense? I really hope we don't see any upcoming episodes of Jill & Derrick shopping Craigslist for furniture after requesting a riding lawn mower, a bike for each & ipad from their registry. I also don't think I can stomach anymore trips to the thrift store for kids clothes after seeing Josh walk around in his Raybans and Bose headphones after posting pics of his morning coffee brewing in their keurig and setting up face time on their macs w/ matching supersized monitors. Sorry.

Anonymous said...

I totally agree with anonymous;6/19 @ 8:15 & 8:18am. There is no way Josh is completing any type of law studies, even high school courses. You do need a 4year college degree, as well as 3 yrs of law school, plus exams & the stat bar. I also read exactly the same thing, about him completing his law studies. However, it was, online, so you can take it with grain of salt. As far as Josh's job....he really doesn't have a job. It's nothing short of being a; "poster child," for the group. But he is pulling in a huge salary, as well as all the benefits he gets. It's more than unfair to other employees. It's disgusting & I can't believe he's well liked at the office water cooler. I always believe; "what goes around comes around." One of these days there will be no job & no money (I don't believe he & Anna are savers)& they will be saddled with 10, 12 or more kids & he'll be shocked to learn that yes; the Lord gives & the Lord takes away, blessed be the name, oh well, you know the rest!

Miz Kizzle said...

And lo it came to pass that a man and woman were to be joined in matrimony, and the ignorant rejoiced, crying out hosannas and praising their virtue, saying they had seen them on TV, and they seemed like nice people who respected their parents and talked about God all the time.
"Let us buy them rider mowers, and guns, and Froot Loops," the people cried. "For surely what we see on their television show cannot possibly be fake and scripted, and how bad can it be that they follow the crazy dictates of Bill Gothard? It's not like they have a political agenda or anything."

Nancy Ann said...

I think as soon as Jill and Derick are married we will hear two more announcements from the Duggars, carefully spaced for maximum effect. First will be the announcement that Anna is indeed pregnant, then the announcement that Ben and Jessa are engaged. That will lead right in to the next season of the Duggars. When the Duggars are coached by TLC or the FRC about media exposure they do just fine. When left to their own devices, they mess up royally. Case in point, the photo of Jessa with the high-powered rifle.

Coleen said...

You don't need a Bachelor's degree before going to law school(depends on the school) just pass the LSAT. So if Josh passed his LSAT he can go to law school with just his education.

Does anyone remember the episode when a fellow NICU fam visited the Duggars? I read the blog by the mom of that fam. She was very honest about the behavior. The staff treated Michelle as a VIP even moving Josie to a different room so the family wouldn't be around so many patients. The mom was even reprimanded for speaking with MD while they were both tending to their babies. I would be so mad if I was asked to act differently while tending to my ill loved one because a VIP was in the hospital!

tulip said...

Hearing that Josh is finishing "law studies" sounds like the biggest boatload of vague nonsense yet. IMO this alone shows just how uneducated they are. Back when they first started filming and Josh was like 16 I'm pretty sure he said he hoped to become a lawyer. However, when the CollegePlus bandwagon came plowing through, I believe he talked political science. Yup, big difference. Someone w/ a poli-sci degree can go on to law school, but that alone is not considered "law studies", unless you're trying to pretend you're something you're not. As I would think it's well known in the real world, law studies would imply law school, which would imply JD, as in Juris Doctor. As far as I can tell, any legitimate institution would be hard pressed to accept Josh even for pre-law at this point. My guess is he's prob. going through an online telecourse attempting to earn some kind of basic certificate, or at best an associate degree-level mixed bag of poli-sci type classes.

Anonymous said...

http://www.christianitytoday.com/gleanings/2014/june/results-bill-gothard-harassment-investigation-released-iblp.html?&visit_source=facebook

what would the duggars say to this.

Anonymous said...

MD advice for newlywed Jill...
http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/19-kids-and-counting/michelle-duggars-blog/marriage-advice-newlyweds.html

Be available Jill:)

sandi said...

LOL Miz Kizzle.yes I'm quite sure they'll use those fruit loops,guns,mowers and even the ipad to glorify the Almighty.Who needs a real wedding registry? Normal household stuff is snoozeworthy. ;)

sandi said...

I agree with everything said about Josh and the job.I don't think that FRC is a real threat to America though,as I think the powers that be have the ability to run them out of DC if they were.I think they just tolerate them,and I'm sure the conservatives see that as a bonus or a blessing,but I really don't think it is.They have no real power,and trying to call attn. to themselves by using the Duggars is just a desperate attempt on their part,imo.I think it's also one that's not going to last.Josh might (idk for sure) have a contract with them for now,but if he isn't pulling in the support and donations like they want,imo he will be gone when it's up.JMO.

Anonymous said...

I think Wampascat hit the nail on the had re:the large assortment of; paper plates, napkins, plastic ware. Got to be for the reception what else? Was just wondering if Jill will be in charge of dressing & grooming her buddies, prior to the wedding ceremony. They have already shown that, at least the little ones, don't know how to get along without Jill. I hope little Jennifer gets to have a nice part in the wedding, as I believe she really loves Jill & is very attached to her. It might make it easier for her to bear the loss of her buddy, if she is given a special part in Jill's day.

Done with Duggars said...

Re: The instagram picture of Josie & brother the caption, "read me a story, is a phrase commonly heard around here." Would like to see the title of the book. I would like to see Michelle sitting down reading a book to anyone of her children for pure enjoyment, i.e. "Cat in the Hat". I've seen her holding up a workbook, at the SOTDRT, although not for a very long time, considering how many little ones need to be taught daily. She's always talking about how much "energy " they have when it's time for naps or bedtime. Can't ever calm them down. Didn't she ever read any type of books herself,in preparation for motherhood? Bedtime stories are, & have always been a great way to segment into a restful nap or for an evening bedtime ritual. Been around forever, but I don't think anyone of those kids have ever had any type of bedtime ritual. News flash Michelle.... it leads to small children getting a good nights sleep. They won't always look & act exhausted. A look you mistakenly refer to as, "too much energy."

tulip said...

"You don't need a Bachelor's degree before going to law school(depends on the school) just pass the LSAT. So if Josh passed his LSAT he can go to law school with just his education."

I honestly have never heard of this. If he in fact would be attending what the real world refers to as actual "law school", that most certainly would require an undergraduate degree (almost always from an accredited institution) as well as passing the LSAT. While the bachelors degree would not necessarily need to be a specific major, nevertheless he would need that undergraduate degree. Law school education is usually 3 yrs. and then upon completion is the Juris Doctor. How in the world would one earn the required credits in such a time frame without first having completed the undergraduate. Not to mention, law school is upper graduate coursework and most institutions use the fact one has their undergraduate degree as "proving themselves" worthy of the intensity of study.

Wampascat said...

I'm sure Grimm's Fairytales nor something as innocent as Beatrix Potter wouldn't be on the approved Duggar reading list. Certainly there is something evil in woodland creatures taking on human personas. You know these sickos can make a sin out of anything.

Special Ed Lady said...

Jill said "totally yes" when Derrick proposed. I wonder if tomorrow she will say "totally I Do."

Anonymous said...

Each law school sets their own admission standards within the bar requirements of their state. That includes a certain amount of undergraduate education and to many that is a four year degree. There is no such thing as "passing the LSAT." It's what is called a norm referenced test. Each school can set the minimum that they will accept.

Anonymous said...

I very much doubt Josh is in a legitimate "law school." He might be getting a certificate or obtaining an online degree of some sort with vague terms...who knows, he might even be obtaining a paralegal certificate (but that requires hard work and class time--my friend obtained her paralegal certificate). Would he even be putting in the time or just doing the online thing?

The wording of "law studies" is pretty vague, so I have serious doubts that it would equate to law school, just because the Duggars homeschool education is obviously very poor and College Plus is definitely a diploma mill. Their grammar and poor command of the English language is quite telling of that.

Anonymous said...

The IBLP Board released the results of THEIR investigation into the sexual allegations by over 30 women against Bill Gothard. Of course, his own board found him guilty of misconduct but NOT of criminal misconduct. Gil Bates is on this board. What a farce!

Anonymous said...

The Southern Poverty Law Center lists the FRC as a hate group. Smuggar is a disciple to their leader Tony Perkins.

Wampascat said...

C'mon folks! Josh is going to be a lawyer like Jill is going to be a nurse. It's not going to happen. FRC probably had him watch an educational video series and now he thinks he's a qualified legal expert. Sheesh!

Mary P. said...

I have a question, Which is more intimate a side hug or holding hands?

In my opinion a side hug is much more intimate...both parties bodies are pressed together, arms around the back/shoulders,the female's head is on the male's chest, the male chin is on top of the female's head... there is a lot of sexual contact going on with this side hug when it comes to "courting".

I don't think the hand holding brings out as much sexual tensions as the side hugs.

Another question, how did the Duggar parents decide on this side hugging jazz?

Anonymous said...

Re: Mary P's comment about how the Duggars decided on the side hugging jazz..it was they same way they came up with all the other illogical rules.

Anonymous said...

Re: Mary P's comment about how the Duggars came up with the illogical rule, about side hugging. Perhaps you haven't heard about "defrauding." Wouldn't want that to happen in the Duggar family. Although, I can't even imagine side hugging, one of my own children and now I notice they do they are starting that with the grandchildren. Have seen MacKenzie get side hugs lately.

tulip said...

Why do the Duggars always seem like they're promoting something, making people wonder if it's all about getting it free/getting paid. (actually, it doesn't make ME wonder) Jill's latest post showing off her "Jamberry nails" w/ several hashtags, isn't Jamberry something of the home consultant thing like Mary Kay, Partylite, etc.? I can only imagine how much freebie is going into this wedding. If they do end up televising a special (which how could they not) I'm going to be on the lookout for major product placement. After the proposal episode w/ 3+ million viewership, I can just see the companies all swarming in & drooling at the Duggar's front gate.

Anonymous said...

Wampascat is right, there is no way Josh really became a lawyer. They throw these terms around; lawyer, midwife, preacher, like it is a simple 1 hour online course and good to go!! Josh doesn't have the determination and work ethic to go to law school.

fixxin2 said...

Anonymous 6/19/2014 10:37 AM mentioned Josh is "pulling in a huge salary" at FRC. Any ideas how much he REALLY might be making for being such a douchy shill for these hatemongers?

Andrea said...

I wanted to add a thought about Anna's role in Josh's job at the FRC. On several occasions Anna has posted on instagram some highly controversial posts about abortion. It's now 9pm eastern time and 11 hours ago she posted an image on instagram which reads: "We will abolish abortion in our lifetime" next to which she has written: "This is my passion!" I find Anna's posts on instagram significantly less often than Josh, but she also posts some very controversial images and statements. What's up with that? FRC owns Josh's entire family. I think higher ups at FRC are encouraging this. Anna's post of today has 243 comments. I'm not sure what to make of it, just something I've observed while watching her and Josh's instagram.

tulip said...

It looks like Jenny will be a flower girl. I really think it would have been more appropriate to have her & Hannie be jr. bridesmaids, but instead poor Jenny gets thrown into the flower girl group w/ Jordyn and also Josie & Kynzie, who no doubt will both be big hams vying for attention & stealing the show.

Anonymous said...

The "side hug" is common in a lot of Christian circles, especially at churches. I think most people with common sense and a healthy life balance would say that, in Jill's case, as a young woman in her twenties, she should have the freedom to hug her fiance. If most will remember, when Josh and Anna were allowed to hold hands, they were caressing fingers and constantly lacing their fingers together (AKA "hand $&X") on tv. This was at the Duggar home, in the car, at restaurants--wouldn't even let go to eat. Very unbalanced! It just goes to show that people who are attracted to each other, but yet who are limited in the ways they can communicate that attraction (IE by their parents' rules) will STILL find ways to communicate that attraction to their mate--whether it's via holding hands or otherwise. The whole thing is unbalanced. And don't get me started on Michelle's "wedding" advice for Jill (IE her sex advice that a wife should always be "available". Hmm, what if a wife wants to get together and the male does not? Is the "patriarch" required to "submit" to the wife's needs? See? Lack of balance, even in their so-called wedding advice.

Anonymous said...

Mary P, the Duggars decided THEMSELVES that side hugging was the way to go. There is nothing biblically or scripturally sound about it. Their idea of modesty and purity continue to baffle the mind. I don't even think it's in a Gothard rule book because the Bates family "regular hugs" people. How scandalous of them!

Nancy Ann said...

I bet you anything that Josh is taking online courses in law through the Oak Brook College of Law. This is a correspondence program started, in part, by Bill Gothard. Admittance is based on "character qualities" and unspecified "academic qualifications". The emphasis on the website is on Christian commitment (of the IBLP variety), not on having a college degree. It is an offshoot of the Homeschool Legal Defense Association, so homeschooling with no college degree (or a degree through College Plus) is probably fine with this organization. I didn't see any reference to taking the LSAT. Sure enough, it prepares graduates of the program to be conferred with a Juris Doctor and take the California bar exam. More information on their website.
http://www.obcl.edu/ More faux schooling for Josh Duggar.

Anonymous said...

The failure rate of Oak Brook graduates on the bar is about what you'd expect. Overall it's a dismal pass rate.

Jessica said...

The marriage advice from Michelle really rubbed me the wrong way. Even if you don't want to have sex, do it anyway because your husband has his needs? Seriously? I think a wife's feelings matter more than a husband's "needs". She is a person, not a sex object that needs to be available 24/7. Jill is getting married today, right? I wish her the best.. Im slightly hoping that they won't say "we're leaving the number of kids up to god" in the ceremony.

Jessica said...

I'm also surprised the duggars allow touching at all. I know a few conservative Christians that don't allow any touching at all before marriage.

Nancy Ann said...

Check out the disclosure statement the students of Oak Brook have to sign.
http://www.obcl.edu/files/downloads/DisclosureStatement.pdf
Anonymous is right--the rate for graduates who pass the CA bar is dismal at less than 40%. The school is not accredited, either.

My prediction is that Josh will graduate from Oak Brook in four years and will then go to work for the Home School Legal Defense Association. His gig with the FRC will probably be wearing pretty thin by then. At least the HSLDA is not on a list of certified hate groups.

Michelle and Jim Bob will crow with pride about how their son is an attorney (if he actually passes the CA bar) or about how their son has a Juris Doctor (if he doesn't pass the bar). No mention will be made of his alma mater, the fact that he has no college degree and has only a degree from a mostly online, unaccredited law school.
Of course his graduation from "law school" will be a big TLC event.

Wampascat said...

I just saw the People article stating that Derick's mother has cancer and could not attend the rehearsal activities. No word about whether she will be at the wedding. Very sad.

Beth Anne said...

Re: the Duggars decided THEMSELVES that side hugging was the way to go

To me, it's a part of a fundamentalist game of one-upmanship. It probably started with the fairly common "moral" standard of no intercourse before marriage, but then the egos started in and each family wanted to "prove" they were better Christians than others.

I.e., MY family is holier than yours because my kids didn't kiss until their wedding!

Oh, yeah? Mine didn't even hold hands or touch each other! Take that, JimBob!

Their "character qualities" seem dropped in favor of outward appearances and outward image.

Anonymous said...

It say in this video that Josh is the "executive director" of the FRC........who funds the frc?

https://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AqEjAknG1MgWBaBl0_eo7oKbvZx4?p=frc+and+josh+duggar&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-254

Anonymous said...

continued............but no mention of him on their page.....wtf.........http://www.frc.org/experts

Anonymous said...

On this so-called marriage advice from Michelle to be your husband's sex slave, she says "a friend" told her about this "wisdom". Why would a friend tell a 17 year old bride such a thing? I would like to know from Michelle, what advice did HER MOTHER give her? Michelle acts and speaks like she was an orphan upon meeting Jim Bob. Did she have no relationship with her older sister(s)? She never speaks about her family's value system while growing up, and neither does JimBob. It seems that life started with them and ends with them. They have two generations of their family who serve them..How did they manage to justify that?
I would never tell my daughter, or son, for that matter to submit to sex absolutely every time it is requested by their spouse. Who does that? What about the husband having some kind of respect for his wife's feelings, health, or energy level? Michelle Duggar, IMO, is a sex doormat and JimBob Duggar, IMO, is an incurable horn dog who lives, breaths, knocking Michelle up every chance he gets. They need that lock on their door. I wonder what they do about the noise? Disgusting to even think about. Jill, don't listen to your stupid mother.

Anonymous said...

Everyone, Derick's mom is Cathy Dillard Byrum. I sent her warm thoughts and best wishes via Facebook. I really admire her for being mainstream and I hope that she pulls through this cancer mess. It would be really sad if the Duggars were smug about her cancer diagnosis and chalked it up to her not following this rule or that rule. Cancer happens to everyone, not only certain people or "bad" people.

Ginger said...

My husband had an answer to why the side hugging in the Duggar family. He said it's because, Michelle was always pregnant & that was the only way Jim Bob was able to get close enough to give her a hug, during her pregnancies. You know, I don't usually give him any credit for any ideas he comes up with, but this time he may have hit the nail on the head.

Missy said...

OMG! I just saw a picture of Jill in her wedding gown and it was just beautiful V-neck & no puffy sleeves!!1

Anonymous said...

I never would have thought that Jill would wear such a beautiful gown & veil...V-neck and no sleeves A-line. Loved it!

Leigh Ann said...

Ginger, give your husband a big high five from all of us. That's great! I just saw Jill's dress from the waist up and it looked very pretty. And sleeveless! So sad about Derick's mom but glad she made it to the wedding. She was smart to stay home from the rehearsal and rest up. I hope she has a good prognosis.

Anonymous said...

i am still waiting for the wedding pictures? only saw one. TLC is keeping them at reaps so they can make the annoucement anna is going to have another baby. They are just waiting.

Anonymous said...

Re: Josh Duggar's quest to become an attorney. Never gonna happen!! Even if he is taking online courses, with the arrival of Duggar #4, in their home thingss will need to start changing. I had a friend, very successful in business that always wanted to be a lawyer. He attended night school for years, (no online then,) but with the arrival of his 8th child, that was the end of his dream of being a lawyer. You need to give up something to accomplish these goals in life, & none of the Duggars realize that yet, probably because at least for the last several years, everything has been handed to them on a silver platter.

Missy said...

I really wonder about Anna's ability to handle constant pregnancy, another blessing & another & so forth. I know her mom had 8 children, & her mil, well we all know about her. But Anna seems hyper to me, & a real candidate for post partum depression. That in itself is not unusual, & should not be looked down upon by anyone, but the Duggars are not the type of people that can deal with an illness, such, as post partum. For God's sake, it's another blessing! Anna, would probably never get the help she needed, even if she did after a certain period of time, she would be fine, & there would be another blessing. She has a husband that travels all over the country, & she won't always be able to do that with him. He adores his public, revels in his causes & politics.This was a girl, who wanted to take her children to the car lot, to be near her hubby all day. When she gets to the double digits with blessings, watch out. Anyone remember; Andrea Yates? She "only," had 6.

Nancy Ann said...

I think Missy is right. I worry about Anna, her sisters and all the women who believe that they have to keep having babies to please God. It's funny that you mentioned Andrea Yates. I just watched the episode of "Crimes of the Century" on Netflix this afternoon about Andrea Yates. It gave me the creeps to hear how similar her situation was to Anna and her sisters. Some women can handle loads of children while homeschooling, and some cannot. The trouble with the Duggar/Gothard lifestyle is that women are told they MUST handle as many children as God gives them. If they don't, they have failed as Christians, wives and mothers. That is a heavy burden to bear.

Missy said...

Re: Nancy Ann comments. I had just seen that exact episode of the show you mentioned. It's frightening, how I almost immediately thought of Anna& her impending pregnancy. For some reason, I don't think so much about the other women, but as I said, I see Anna as hyper & needy, needing to be at the car lot with Josh etc. I remember her as being just frantic when the family was arriving for the "holiday dinner." I would have said, "yes we'll have it tomorrow as planned." But she was almost out of control. I fear she'll just break someday.

Londonbridges said...

Michelle, you told Josie that the world didn't revolve around her, but what makes you so certain that the world should revolve around you? I am sickened to think that you would continue to carry on with the wedding dress on display, when this wedding was all about your blessing Jill and her husband? Did you even ask Derick how you could help his family?

Anonymous said...

I agree with Missy. Jill's dress was just perfect!! Modest yet still feminine and pretty. It certainly wasn't corny like some of the outfits we have seen.

I am not really a fan of this family, but I really wish this young couple all the best. It's scary to me that they marry so quickly, so my fingers are crossed. I also really wish Derick's the best of health and strength at this difficult time. I too hope that JB and M don't proselytize over this. His mom will need all the help she can get and I really hope they can put their egos aside and help out.

Anonymous said...

And the kiss we have all been waiting for...

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/jill-duggar-kisses-husband-derick-dillard-at-their-wedding-picture-2014226

Does anyone else find their kiss to look super awkward, or is it just me? I just feel like their faces are too far apart...too much lip from Derick & Jill's forehead is way to far back. ::cringe::

Ok, we all know this was Jilly's first kiss, but has anyone ever wondering if Derick previously kissed maybe a past girlfriend?

Anonymous said...

Anyone know when Jill and Derick's wedding will be on TV? Or the Bates' weddings?

Anonymous said...

I'm not waiting for a kiss photo, but if I were it wouldn't be of a photographer staged photo.

Yes, TLC will be airing Jill's wedding. ABC may be airing Erin's.

Kathy Hodges said...

I love that Jill & Derrick waited for their first kiss. I think that is very romantic & like Derrick said in an interview, it allowed them to get to know each other without the physical contact getting in the way. As far as the quiverfull idea, where in the world did they get this idea? It is not biblical by any standard because our religion is not a works based religion by any stretch of the imagination and having kids without regard to being able to raise them or provide for them just because you think that is what God wants you to do. Having children does not effect one's salvation.

Murphy said...

Yeah there's something just off about the kiss, its weird. I like the pose though, its sweet.

But her dress is beautiful, nice job Jill!

tulip said...

Actually, ABC was at Alyssa's wedding. ABC has done Nightline specials of the Bates, so I wouldn't think it would be an episode of just the wedding itself, but rather incorporated into another special. Jill stated in a recorded thank-you from the rehearsal to TLC viewers to stay tuned to watch the wedding. Just took a peek at the registry & saw that they got the ipad, bike (women's) & gun safe.

Leigh Ann said...

"As far as the quiverfull idea, where in the world did they get this idea?"'

It's from Psalm 127 3-5



3 Behold, children are a gift of the Lord,
The fruit of the womb is a reward.
4 Like arrows in the hand of a warrior,
So are the children of one’s youth.
5 How blessed is the man whose quiver is full of them;
They will not be ashamed
When they speak with their enemies in the gate.

I'm sure that was a turn of phrase, not a direct order. David was, after all, writing poems. I think a quiver usually holds about eight arrows but I think you can get them bigger or smaller, too. Some people's quiver may be full with only one or two kids or three kids. And some people aren't called to have children at all.

Andrea said...

I read the following accusation on another website. I don't trust anything I read on the internet about the Duggars with the exception of fans who frequent this site. Can anyone verify this?

Anna’s sister is pregnant with her ninth child and has just moved to Zambia with her husband and eight other, un-vaccinated children, to be missionaries. The last couple of years, the whole family has been living in a small tent trailer while travelling from church to church, looking for sponsorship. They have had to rely on the charity of others to feed their large brood, but the husband found the money to take flying lessons and buy a small plane to make HIS travels in Africa, easier. With her last baby, rather than getting her medical help, she was left in labour for days and had severe complications after the birth. Of course that didn’t stop them from getting pregnant again, immediately. Her lovely husband has even written about how their missionary work may result in death for some of their children, but that it is the sacrifice God is calling them to make.

Anonymous said...

you are referring to Esther and John Schrader. There's write ups about the Schraders on the FJ site. What is true or not true is debatable, but you can do research for yourself by entering "john schrader missionary", and their twitter and FB pages pop up pretty quickly

Anonymous said...

*Correction* "Shrader", not "Schrader"

Sharla said...

A brief explanation of the Shraders is fine. However, extensive discussion of them is off topic. They have only had one or two extremely brief appearances on the show at Anna's wedding.

roddma said...

"I love that Jill & Derrick waited for their first kiss. I think that is very romantic & like Derrick said in an interview, it allowed them to get to know each other without the physical contact getting in the way"

Relationships should develop in stages, not a complete 360 in one night. I think you need some level of intimacy. You are going to be spending the rest of your life with this person. The Duggars just think of the most inncoent acts as lewd.

Anonymous said...

I'm curious to see if the girls change as they 'cleave' to their husbands. So far no Gothard followers courting the ladies.

Andrea said...

"So far no Gothard followers courting the ladies." I think that's the thing with a cult. The attractive adult daughters draw the men in. It's not like Jill is suddenly going to stop attending Home Church now that's she married. Just because Derick and Ben don't appear to adhere to the teaching of Gothard doesn't mean it won't happen.

Andrea said...

I wanted to add that Anna has clearly hit the jackpot with Josh. I personally find him vile and totally unattractive but, when you consider what her sister is going through, moving to DC with three small children is a cake walk. No women in her right mind would choose that lifestyle. I guess, that's the thing, these people are not in their right minds are they? It's all about spread the word of God and impregnating your wife with yet another blessing.

Anonymous said...

http://eonli.ne/1sC1DVe. From Anna's twitter....from yesterday....definitely looks preggers!

Anonymous said...

Anna allegedly led two fans at the wedding who were bold enough to ask if she were pregnant to believe that she isn't.

Jeannine said...

Am I the only one perturbed that Michelle somehow managed to worm herself into Jill's wedding day by having her wedding dress displayed for everyone to see? Granted there was also one of Derick's fathers old police uniforms, but that makes sense since he isn't with us any longer. It just irks me the wrong way.

On a side note, I loved Jill's dress. It was just the right amount of conservative, unlike Anna's who just looked like a shiny t-shirt with a skirt sewn to it. Jill looked beautiful, and I sincerely hope that Derick's past (not being raised a Duggar) will mean that Jill will finally be normal... and wear PANTS!

tulip said...

Random fans think that if they just ask her if she's pregnant, she'll make an announcement right then & there? Um, actually, I think this is how it goes: Josh & Anna will announce they're expecting when TLC says they can.

hello said...

Anna is not going to tell just anybody she is pregnant, I mean expecting. Josh will make sure that the moment is captured to be shown on their show. I am curious where they will film her having #4.

Wampascat said...

A picture I saw on Facebook looked like Anna is at least six months along. Who knows??? She wears such unflattering clothing, it's really hard to tell.

Nancy Ann said...

Well, Josh backed another losing candidate in MS. The whole idea of a PAC like FRC is to vote into office candidates who will advance their ideas. It seems that every candidate Josh backs loses. How long with FRC keep him if he is not making an impact on voters? Meanwhile, I have several candidates here in Michigan I would love to have Josh support.

Judy said...

If Anna were pregnant beyond a couple of months, they probably would have addressed it in this last season.

Anonymous said...

Re: Judy's comment about Anna being pregnant; that they probably would have addressed that this season. I honestly don't think they really knew what to do with that this season. First, it was the big; Ben & Jessa "courting line. " Then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, Jill goes to Nepal, starts courting & gets engaged. We won't see the wedding until next season. There were a lot o new people in this seasons episodes; Ben, Derick, Ben's parents, sisters, Derick's mom,step-dad, brother. That was a lot of new people added to the story line, more than they expected, I think. Plus,they were doing publicity for the girls book. They always want to do a big announcement on the "Today Show," for Anna's pregnancy's. After all, she is the only woman in the country that's pregnant. Sorry, I meant expecting! Josh & Anna just had to step aside this season.

Anonymous said...

I truly believe that Josh was hired by the FRC to campaign for the candidates they supported. Does anyone really know how many candidates Josh & by extension, the Duggars have backed, that have been defeated? If this is really why Josh was hired, it appears he has failed miserably. I wonder if the FRC was counting on some support by TLC, by reason of Josh's affiliation with TLC? It will be interesting to see where Josh stands with this group in another year. For now, he is enjoying his status as Executive Director, but he keeps mentioning that he plans to politics. If he does, he needs to do a much better job at getting himself elected than he has for the FRC supported candidates.

flowerchild said...

I wonder when the wedding will be shown, after she's 6 months pregnant? TCL seems to be late on things and the Duggars in a hurry.

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