Tuesday, June 3, 2014, 9:00 PM, A Proposal

While the girls are out promoting their new book, Derick takes the opportunity to do some secret planning back at home. After getting permission from Jim Bob to ask for Jill's hand in marriage, will he be able to pull off an intricate proposal?

60 minutes

Amazing ratings:  3.034 M viewers and a 1.0 rating.

Link to Michelle's blog post article.

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Anonymous said...

I guess Jill and Derrick are pretty anxious to be alone already...

Anonymous said...

I think Derick will do anything to get beyond courtship and Duggarville.

Anonymous said...

I hope Derrick knows what he's getting into. Either he's like them and will adapt to their way of thinking, or he will bring Jill into the next century and broaden her world in every day and explain that it's not a sinful one of you don't make it one. Go to a movie, wear pants, cut your hair and enjoy your work outside the kitchen and time you babies...etc.....we'll wait and see who he turns out to be.

Allison said...

I totally called it. I knew this would be the season finale, and probably the first week of July is when the Very Special Episode will air.

Anonymous said...

The promo for this showed Dim Bulb asking Derick how he planned to support his daughter. Shouldn't this be asked before a courtship. Could be letting their hearts get closer for nothing.

Judy said...

I was LMAO at the coming attraction at the end of last night's episode where Derick asks for Jill's hand in marriage and Jim Bob wants to know how he's going to support her.

Willow said...

Duh -- He is a college-educated accountant working in his field. Ah, I would say every bit as well as you started out JB. Plus a few more years of maturity to him. Sometimes Jim Bob just opens his mouth and lets it fly!!!

Blue OGrady said...

Jim Bob: "what's your name again, kid? I remember we were prayer partners for years but damn if I can remember your name. Marry my daughter, Eric"

Allison said...

Honestly, you guys, these conversations HAVE to be staged. Jim Bob is only asking Derick this because they need to get the answer on film. Same with Joy telling Amy when she came over about the dinner theater. Obviously Joy told Amy this on the phone prior to her coming over. They have a lot of these stupid, staged conversations.

Anonymous said...

He's going to support Jill with his accounting job thanks to his college education. 18 year old JB married 17 year old Michelle with a high school diploma. Derick is a lot better off than JB was when he married.

Anonymous said...

I can't believe that stupid remark from Jim Bob, to Derick; about how he is going to support Jill? What an idiot, Jim Bob is. Derick is college educated & has a job in his field. Jim Bob has always said, he's not that big on college, because we all know people that go to college, but then don't use that degree. Well apparently Jim Bob, you're wrong in this case.

Anonymous said...

Jim Boob would probably like living in the dim, distant past, where a potential husband would give him some goats and a heard of cows for his daughter's hand in marriage.

Melissa M. said...

Jim Bob isn't big on college because they actually encourage people to think for themselves. Those damn liberal professors and all (sarcasm!) :)

Anonymous said...

I prefer rumpled, exotic, skinny, bedroom eyes, missionary Derick to uptight, cheap suit, dressed for cinderblock church or Walmart accounting job Derick. Just sayin'

Miz Kizzle said...

Agreed! Exotic missionary Derick is way cooler. TLC should come out with a line of Duggar action figures and their accessories. Grandma's washing machine! The Duggar camper! The warehouse church! The prayer closet! It would be a smash hit, both for those of us who appreciatiate irony and for true believers.

Anonymous said...

Just once...just once, I wish one of these young men who are courting the Duggar girls would man up and say NO to all the television stuff.Stupid staged 'father to young man' conversations, asking to court and proposing on nationwide TV. Why don't these people even crave a LITTLE privacy? I'd love to see one of the girls refuse to have her wedding (and eventually birth of her children) on television. Snowball's chance in you-know-where. UUGGGHHH!!!

Dar said...

Wow, Miss Kizzy, you have probably given Jim Bob the next two or three million dollars idea. Action figures. That would be something he just might try.

If it does, I hope you get some percentage

Beth Anne said...

Re: Why don't these people even crave a LITTLE privacy?

Because their ego-maniac parents have convinced them they are special and need to demonstrate to "the rest of us" what the holy, proper way is to live. Believe me, I think the kids are good people at heart, but the self-righteousness starts to emerge the older they get, as they are constantly reminded of the "higher standard" to which they live. Unfortunately, they don't have the chance to interact with other young Christians who date in the typical way, go to public high school and college, have jobs at an employer other than their father's business, etc. So, the Duggar kids drink the cool-aid.

Wrigley said...

I agree. Why do these guys agree to be on television? Ben is beyond awkward in front of the cameras, and even Derick looks uncomfortable. But hey, Jim Boob probably makes them agree (and you know they have to sign a contract!) to be on camera before HE will agree to any courtship! These poor girls, they just need to get the heck out of there!!!

sandi said...

Miz Kizzle,that would be a hoot! Love the action figure idea.I can just see one of the toy companies coming out with a version of the Duggar bus,like they did with the Barbie camper,complete with figures.Maybe even a doll house replica of the Duggar compound.That would be hilarious.

Rudy Tecat said...

Re: Action figures: they would have to be made so that only the JB and Michelle action figures could do any hug other than a side hug.

Anonymous said...

I don't think Ben or Derick are man enough to step out of the spotlight. I still think their parents should step up to the plate and set some rules of their own---like let the kids talk to each other without being interrupted. Ask the girls some tough questions like--do you plan to have our grandchildren born in a hospital or on a toilet? What are the girls going to plan for a career beyond childbirth? Do you ever plan to cut your hair and wear pants and stylish 21st century clothes??? Will you send our grandchildren to a real school and college or just teach them the Gothard curriculum??? What do you want to be when you grow up?

Anonymous said...

All of the girl action figures should be designed as bobbleheads.

Wampascat said...

The Jim Boob action figure has to have a tiny can of aqua net.

auntliddy said...

Oh, i think the attraction btwn jill and Dereck is so strong, rveryone is like, get married before they sin and frontal hug, or hold hands, or god forbid kiss!!!!!! So get them down that aisle, asap!

Anonymous said...

Real women choose their men. I hope the Duggar girls learn this before the boys Daddy has chosen for them get them to the wedded bed. Are they in for a shock.

MandySue said...

The action figures could have magnets in them. When they are single they drive away the opposite sex then flip them over and they can not be separated.

sandi said...

Yes they act like Jill has already defraded her beau by giving him a real hug,so better go ahead and get married.
Rudy,that would be hilarious with the figures.I can just picture the videos ppl would make with them.LOL.
Anon,that is a good thought.we know the girls have to follow the Duggar rules when under the watchful Duggar eyes,but are they treated any differently when around their fiance's parents? I would not only leave the room when they were there,if they were my son and future dil...I'd leave the house and let them talk alone.

Anonymous said...

I certainly wonder what Derick's mother thinks of Michelle? Mrs. Derick's mom, has a real job with WalMart corp, has been a widowed mother, took care of the kids and the household before remarrying. Michelle can't hold a candle to her even with her "birthed every one of them" spiel. His mother is a classy, attractive modern looking woman with good hair and most importantly a grown up brain and intellect. Hopefully, she will mentor Jill into being a real young woman of today. One can remain Godly and be of today also. His mother even has "short hair"....Go shopping with HER, Jill, she'll show you around the mall and the Clinique counter.

Alberta Rose said...

Go shopping with HER, Jill, she'll show you around the mall and the Clinique counter.

I hope Jill gives her MIL the same polite smile I gave my MIL. I also hope Jill politely tells her mother that she likes her hair long, that she likes her style of dress, that she feels Motherhood is her first career choice, and that Jill is constantly respectful to her MIL while being true to herself, even thought her MIL doesn't understand her. Jill has already chosen to do some things differently than her mother did, including marrying later, marrying a man who is not a realtor, and choosing to become a midwife, not a realtor. She also sent Derrick a clear message in Nepal that being a midwife is something she takes very seriously.

Anonymous said...

I don't think that Jill and Derick's mother are on the same page. She and Michelle also have nothing in common; I hope these differences don't make an issue down the line. We don't know what Derick's views are regarding the Duggar lifestyle and what his intentions are for his life with Jill. Hopefully, we will hear something along those lines about that from him. I wish them happiness that lasts. Derick's mom seemed annoyed at the crowd of Duggars at the airport and quite frankly, Jill hogged the moment for his family. I hope it was just editing.
Regarding Jill and her future mom in law, I hope she realizes that there are things to be learned from this lady too; that the severe beliefs and lifestyle that she has only know isn't the only way to Godliness. Put on some pants, girl.

Wampascat said...

I don't thin Jill had any choice in the matter of marrying sooner or later. That is strictly up to Jim Bob. The girls have stated numerous times that they wear their hair long because "daddy" likes it that way. As far as being a midwife helper goes, I have no doubt that Jill enjoys it as it gets her out of the Duggar compound and let's her use her limited education skills sh's picked up in college plus. It's really too bad that she was not allowed to pursue her true dream of becoming a nurse. I think the previous poster was just hoping that Derick's mother would let Jill know that after she is married she is free to make more choices on her own ( I hope). Her choice have been nearly nil so far in her life.

Anonymous said...

I wonder how much input Derick's mother has on the wedding? She probably gets to invite 10 people, the rest will be Duggars, Bates, Wilson's and other Duggar family friends.They completely dominated Josh's wedding, poor Mrs Keller was shoved to the side like a nobody.

Anonymous said...

Wampascat: you got it. Yes, my intent was and is hopefully a broadening of Jill through someone who would have Jill's best interests in mind, her mother in law. Jill has been raised playing one record over and over and really never heard any other ones. I still don't know why JB approved Derick, for his mother is nothing like Michelle AT ALL, thankfully for Jill.

Alberta Rose said...

As far as being a midwife helper goes, I have no doubt that Jill enjoys it as it gets her out of the Duggar compound and let's her use her limited education skills sh's picked up in college plus. It's really too bad that she was not allowed to pursue her true dream of becoming a nurse.

The books that Jill is studying from are the books that both certified and certified nurse midwives use. Plenty of 14 year olds change their dream when they become an adult. My niece was going to be a nurse until she realized how much politics was involved. In America it's even worse. Also, the midwife said she asked Jill to apprentice with her, not the other way around. In these tough economic times, If I was a young woman who received a job offer from someone, I'd leap on it rather than the "maybe" of going to university and finding a job in a hospital.

Anonymous said...

I was so disappointed when Jill looked at Derick and said, "We messed up" (regarding the frontal hug at the airport). Although I respect and encourage purity before marriage, giving your grown, adult boyfriend a normal hug at any time (especially after being separated for months) is perfectly normal and acceptable. It's NOT normal to run up to each other and give one of those ridiculously awkward side hugs. The thing is, a "frontal hug" is only sexual if you MAKE it that way. A side hug can be sexual too... someone could reach around and touch the side of your boob...

I am glad Derick seems like a "normal" Christian man who doesn't really seem to agree with all of the "no frontal hugs"... because he probably would have been on his perfect, Gothard behavior like ol' David Waller and not given anything but an embarrassing side hug at the airport while saying "awwww" like they all do.

I am also thrilled that Derick has a bachelor's degree from a "normal" university. But it also bothers me that Jill could not pursue nursing. Why not, I wonder? It's like the Duggars think that people in nursing school (or even nurses themselves?) are sinful people? Too worldly? What? What is it? But the Duggars themselves rely on nurses and doctors and CRNA's when they have surgeries and deliveries, etc. It's hypocritical to rely on those wonderful people, but secretly think they're "below" them or sinful... to think that they could never pursue such wickedness... I'm totally perplexed about the "no real college" rules of the Duggars. That baffles me because many people are serving Jesus with their degrees.

I really like the Duggars. I really do. But I am starting to be more and more concerned about their legalistic ideals.

sandi said...

Re: clinique, love their makeup,but I hope the ladies get some real help with their clothing! Something besides their ugly long skirts,and some modern jewelry,tops and pants.
I think their makeup is fine,they don't seem to need much.jmo.

Beth Anne said...

Re: Regarding Jill and her future mom in law, I hope she realizes that there are things to be learned from this lady too.

I absolutely love this comment, because it really struck a chord with me. I think this gets at the heart of what is off-putting about the family, in that they see themselves as the model and standard for all others, thus all the talk about "encouraging" others and using the show as a ministry, etc.

But, it's a one-way street for them. I don't think it ever crossed JimBob's mind that he and his family could also learn from others. It's all about them imparting their wisdom and lifestyle and life model to others, without the slightest inclination to consider the value of others' way of life. JimBob has created this sense within their family that they are perfect models of living, and that arrogance seeps its way through.

Jill COULD learn some valuable lessons from a variety of other people, including Derick's mom, but will she be open to it?

Anonymous said...

I am so disappointed to read other websites and learn that Jill and Derrick will be living so close to her parents. My hope is that they will at the very least--go fundie-lite and leave the country to build their own lives!

Leigh Ann said...

How close are they going to be to Derrick's job? If he's gone at work at all day plus having a really long commute, Jill's going to gravitate more to her family. Hopefully she'll be busy delivering lots of babies.

Anonymous said...

I don't understand Alberta Rose's comment, that the books Jill is studying from are, the ones both certified & certified midwives use. What is a certified? Also, how does anyone know what books Jill is studying from? I think it's been awhile since she been hitting the books. JMO. I think she was doing some hands on work, but other than in Nepal, I'm not sure now. Also, I don't understand the comment, about her niece not becoming a nurse, because of politics. That may be where you are living, but here in the states as a nurse, I can tell you there is a great demand & you can support a family on a nurses salary. Maybe, not all the luxuries, but a roof over your head & food on the table. Also, I think any job nowadays involves some politics. I'd be interested in the salary for a Certified Midwife compared to a Registered Nurse with a Bachelor's degree.

Wampascat said...

Jill wasn't allowed to go to nursing school because she might have been defrauded by seeing an undressed man while doing clinicals. Also, she would have taken a sibling along to her classes which would have messed p the buddy system at home and forced Michelle to actually do something around the house. Sorry to be harsh, but that's what it boils down to, basically. Jim Bob and Michelle never went to College and they've stated they feel it's a waste of money because people don't use their degree for anything.
Right now tree is a big shortage of nurses, as least in our area of South Carolina. My Middle son is currently in nursing school and has hopes of being an ER nurse. My oldest son just graduated with a degree in Middle school education and was just hired for his first teaching position. A nurse make about 1 1/2 times that of a teacher right out of school.

Anonymous said...

Supposedly the home they will be living in is in Rogers. Isn't Rogers where Derick is from? So close to the Duggars but closer to his family and friends.

Judy said...

I'm wondering if Derick is really going to agree with taking as many children as God gives them...

Coleen said...

"There are several different types of midwives, each with its own training requirements:

Certified nurse-midwives (CNMs) are trained as both nurses and midwives. They have at least a bachelor's degree (and most also have a master's degree), and they must pass a national certification exam from the American College of Nurse-Midwives (ACNM) and receive a state license to practice.

Certified midwives (CMs) are college-educated and certified by the ACNM. Because this is a relatively new specialty, not every state licenses CMs.

Certified professional midwives (CPMs) are trained midwives who are certified by the North American Registry of Midwives (NARM). Not all states certify CPMs.

Direct-entry midwives (DEMs) may have a college degree, or they may have trained through an apprenticeship, or learned their trade through self-study, workshops, or other instructional programs. Most attend births in homes or birth centers. Not all states recognize DEMs."
(from WebMD)
I'm guessing Jill is a DEM.

Beth Anne said...

Regarding Jill being asked to be an apprentice, this may be a stupid question, but is she actually being paid? Or was she paid for the assistance she rendered during those various births? The term "apprentice" can mean many things, and I'm not sure a paycheck is par for the course, but I could be wrong. Also, long-term, a B.S.N. or other degree from an accredited college would translate into more job opportunities and higher salaries.

Anonymous said...

Beth Anne: Right on! Yes, this family comes across as experts on everything, "look at us and how we do everything, our faith, clothes, money, lifestyle, education, childrearing, philosophy and character." They all could learn a few things from us sinners out there...I'm sure Derick's family are very nice people. His parents have treated this public situation with dignity and class so far; unlike Ben's parents, sorry to say. Hopefully, we will hear from her when the time is right. As a mother of sons myself, I would think that she has at least some concerns about her son marrying into this intrusive, controlling, checked-out family.

Anonymous said...

I don't think Jill is concerned about moving forward in any official capacity delivering babies, as she has stated that she is ready for her own asap; and that contradicts their beliefs about females, single OR married, being allowed to work outside the home, or pursue any real training for anything. She won't get the opportunity to do it.

Anonymous said...

These adult girls don't even have clothing that is "theirs". I wonder what outfits Jill gets to bring with her out of the "girls' closet"? Hopefully not something the others favor. So unnatural to share everything, including your own bed with little kids, something seriously wrong there.

Wampascat said...

Jill has stated in one of the blogs that she prayed about nursing school and talked it over with her parents and God guided her to the Long distance midwife program that delivers babies in an out of hospital setting. I think she's still a lay midwife. Who knows if she will ever finish the course once she is wedded and bedded. The fundie girls normally give up any job they have and get down serious breeding.

PecanSandie said...

"Jill has already chosen to do some things differently.."

It seems like Jill was never given a choice. She was denied a real education in order to provide her mother with slave labor.

Anonymous said...

Jill could never go into nursing. I've been a RN for 7 years now and have been hit on, called nasty names, placed catheters in males...the list goes on. But the Duggers think I'm a very bad person because I have experienced all this. Plus I'm alone in a room with a patient (oh no!!) to be honest though she is too sweet natured to be a nurse. I think she needs to continue doing the midwife thing but hold off on the babies. She always said she wants to do missions work, I hope she gets that chance.

Allison said...

I thought I heard Jill say during an interview that she was pursing a CPM, but who knows? They are pretty clear as mud sometimes.

I also think she had said at some point that she chose not to do nursing because of the time commitments of her family. Being a Duggar is basically her job.

auntliddy said...

That is one ugly ill fitting dress Jill tried on. And even tho the neckline was under her chin, it still had to be altered. C'mom!! It was already modest. And why does the whole family have to go on the book signing tour when the 4 girls wrote the book?

Coleen said...

What a sweet engagement! But I don't think Jill was aware that the song (very talented songwriter btw!) was about her and Derrick. Also I don't think Jill was 100% surprised. I guess with courtship, since marriage is the end goal, some of the surprise goes away.

Wampascat said...

Watching the proposal episode I notice Derick using the word aaand... Just like a Duggar! Also, I was ashamed of Jill accepting his proposal by saying "Totally!!!" Good grief!

Leigh Ann said...

". His parents have treated this public situation with dignity and class so far; unlike Ben's parents, sorry to say. "

Have we seen Ben's parents?

Anonymous said...

I could say so much about this episode, but I will limit myself to the comment that JimBob made to Derick, "Her (Jill) future is all wrapped up in who she marries." Boy does that say it all!
I lied one more comment, Derick's mom is a heathen, she had the nerve to wear pants to the Duggars house.

Allison said...

It was... nice. I loved Derick's proposal. Because he's a good, normal guy. Unlike Ben who I do think is weird and I think he was raised more Gothard than Ben. Didn't they meet at her church, and he has a big family. I thought their song was very well written.

The whole bridal salon experience was just the weirdest. There's no way that "just happened."

I wish the girls had been more honest about Jill *and* Jessa being in courtships during the book tour. I think it would have made their interviews more impactful because we would know exactly what kind of experience they really had. It was kind of deceitful of them. Although the book was written before any were in courtships, so I suppose it doesn't matter.

Alberta Rose said...

It seems like Jill was never given a choice. She was denied a real education in order to provide her mother with slave labor.

How so? The midwife who invited her to apprentice, who is helping her become a CPM obviously thinks her education was sufficient. There are Registered Nurses who can't be bothered to be bilingual. I saw the episode where Jill said it's taking longer because she is learning in both English AND Spanish textbooks. It takes ambition to make that decision. Jill didn't just go to Nepal to visit Derrick. She also assisted a midwife. That's someone who takes their career extremely seriously. I have not seen any signs Jill is being denied an education. She's been shown on camera studying, leaving in the middle of the night to attend a delivery, and her parents treated her like an adult with a career when she admitted to getting a speeding ticket. Seems like they are being supportive and encouraging.

Alberta Rose said...

don't understand Alberta Rose's comment, that the books Jill is studying from are, the ones both certified & certified midwives use. What is a certified? Also, how does anyone know what books Jill is studying from? I think it's been awhile since she been hitting the books. JMO. I think she was doing some hands on work, but other than in Nepal, I'm not sure now. Also, I don't understand the comment, about her niece not becoming a nurse, because of politics. That may be where you are living, but here in the states as a nurse, I can tell you there is a great demand & you can support a family on a nurses salary. Maybe, not all the luxuries, but a roof over your head & food on the table. Also, I think any job nowadays involves some politics. I'd be interested in the salary for a Certified Midwife compared to a Registered Nurse with a Bachelor's degree.

I was keeping it short. Certified Midwives and Certified Nurse Midwives use the same midwifery textbooks. I recognized the textbook Jill was using, plus I recognize the textbooks you can occasionally catch a glimpse of in the birthing centre facility Jill works at. I've also read complaints it's boring seeing the Duggar youth doing schoolwork which is probably why TLC quit showing the older ones studying. As for nursing not being political, women like Abby Epstein, Riki Lake, and Abby Johnson would beg to differ. Also, I have a Facebook friend who has been an R.N. for five years. She helps with my Women's Reproductive Rights advocacy work. Also, it was an article by Michelle Duggar talking about Vaginal Birth After Cesearan and Trial of Labour that first caught my attention. That was back when she had about 13-14 kids.

Unknown said...

ANY one who delievers my child I want them to be college educated... From a real college... With real tests. Then get your hands on training. All that college plus bs and "doulas" are extremely dangerous.

Anonymous said...

Oh my God Dericks's mom gave him a "frontal hug & a kiss," when he was leaving the house! When have we seen Michelle give one of her kids a frontal hug or a kiss in all the years the show has been on? Here comes Derick's mom, with hugs & kisses for her son. Sure is different.

Anonymous said...

So way can't Jill be a R.N did a miss a show or did JimBob and Michelle tell her not to please help me

Anonymous said...

Jill has said a number of times that she isn't studying nursing because of "the time constraints." Of course, as a nurse myself, I know that you cannot become a nurse over the internet. Yes, there are courses you can take, but you must do your clinical work, in all areas: maternity, medical & surgical,orthopedics,pediatrics.
Yes these are all hands on & you will be seeing all body parts. I don't think this fits in with the Duggar ideals.

Anonymous said...

Are they going to continue that Duggar tradition of all of their children's names starting with the same letter?
Put your foot down now, Derick! Just say no!

Anonymous said...

Of course these conversations are staged.
The episode where the older girls were in their room discussing their book project we could see in the background on a side table that framed countdown calendar of Jill's that very clearly said 9 DAYS UNTIL I SEE DERICK. In the very next scene we see Jill go to her parents bedroom (while she's wearing the very same clothes as she was wearing while talking with her sisters) and have the " I think I'm in love with someone I've never met...could we go to Nepal?" conversation with her parents. That entire conversation was very obviously staged as the trip to Nepal was already decided upon and planned by then.

Anonymous said...

Re: Alberta Roses comments about Jill & her midwifery training. I believe the Certified Midwife did see an interest in Jill & asked if she would be interested in "shadowing her", to see if it was something she might want to study. I also think Jill really does enjoy he practical, hands on part of the birth experience. However, we never see her studying subjects such as; anatomy & physiology, pharmacology & the many other subjects needed to become a Certified Midwife. We never hear her say anything about a mark she received on an exam. I think her parents are to blame as the very first day she & Jana left to start their training, Jim Bob & Michelle were saying; "our babies are delivering babies now." No they weren't, they just left to start training! We have seen Jill with patients & at their bedside, but never studying, the subjects she needs to pass an exam to become certified for anything. I don't think she anywhere near ready to become a midwife of any kind. You can't just throw on scrubs, get your stethoscope & go deliver a baby.

Anonymous said...

Just watched this episode. I really like Derrick and thought the proposal song was creative and romantic. But his comment that Jill would know he was about to propose because he'd have a "bulge in my pocket" was too funny! I was relieved to see him put the ring box in his coat pocket....

sandi said...

The article on Derick makes me hopeful that their children will get to go to college.A real university,not just online.I'm sure he would love to see his kids become a mascot,too,in honor of his late father.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, right, her family "guided her" to the most remote association she can have from being a real RN; still sheltered her from true medicine and the world. Some help they are.

Anonymous said...

Best line of the night: "Jill said shed know i was going to purpose because there'd be a bulge in my pocket"
I laughed like a middle school boy at that one!

I gotta say, I loved the proposal. It was such a far cry from birthday balloons at Gator Landing. Derik seems like such a sweet gentleman.

Anonymous said...

Derick's mother told Mullet in this episode that her son had been raised just like Jill. The more I see him on camera, the more I am convinced he is just like Jim Boob in so many ways.

The scene where he asks for her hand in marriage was "acting" all the way. The delay in response from Jim Bob to pretend he was thinking about his answer. The phony question "How are you going to support her?" He knew he had a job. His daughter was chasing this man in the most obvious way and she was already in NY trying on wedding gowns!!!! Give me a break.

Judy said...

I think she and Derick have mentioned that they would like to do missionary work, so she might wind up using her midwifery skills overseas.

Zoey said...

I'm going to assume the duggars are against vaccinations (the chicken pox outbreak) so, I would be concerned giving birth with a duggar present. I'm sure RNs are supposed to be vaccinated. I'm not sure how they left the country without a series of shots.

Csnee317 said...

To the commenter who mentioned Derick's Mom saying he was raised just like Jill...I took it like she was saying (I thought she said something like "He was raised with the same rule book as Jill") that Derick was raised with the Bible too, but just because it wasn't necessarily the Duggars more fanatical view of the Bible, it was still a Christ-centered, Biblical upbringing. I realize that is reading far into one line from Derick's Mom, but that's how I viewed it. Derick was also raised with a good Christian upbringing - just because he went to real college and has had real life experiences away from Arkansas doesn't make him any less of a good, Christian man. Just my opinion, of course.

Anonymous said...

What is so funny about the "bulge in my pocket" statement is that they don't get it. I think his mother got it.

Anonymous said...

Why was Smuggar, Smugette and their brood on the girls book signing tour? Notice when Michael got sick, Smuggar took Mac and went without Smugette and the boys. The show must go on but why were they there in the first place? Don't they have a life of their own in DC?

Anonymous said...

Why were all of the Duggars on the girls book tour? Because this is a family business and of course, they needed to be chaperoned and have plenty of accountability partners because they can't trust their adult unmarried, uneducated children.

Anonymous said...

These people give birth in their homes on toilets and in bathtubs. They see no need for educated medical RN's or doctors unless there are complications. Then they dial 911. I hope they do not learn the hard way that this could be too late to prevent a tragedy. I would not want Jill as a midwife or functioning in any other medical role because she has shoddy training at best. Get certified medical training or forget it.

Anonymous said...

Derick called Jim Bob the night before he proposed and asked him if it would be alright for he and Jill to hold hands after he proposed. Jim Bob said yes. A real man would not have asked this. Derick is a total wimp!

Anonymous said...

Wow, it looks like Jill's horizons are expanding. Early in the episode Jill said they had gone to a Razorbacks basketball game (first time at an organized sporting event?) and gone out with friends, with a photo of them out with Derrick's brother and another girl (no Duggar in the photo!). Also, I love that Derrick mentioned that Jill was smart and that he seemed to find that an attractive quality.

Michelle's comment to Derrick's mom that she "raised an amazing son," and Derrick's mom's response that she used the same instruction book that the Duggars had used, made me laugh. I assume she was talking about the Bible. Interesting how her children turned out to be fairly normal, while the Duggars, well... I really think Michelle has no idea how to communicate with someone like Derrick's mom, who was very gracious and classy. Michele seemed rather taken aback when Derrick's mom said she was going to "spoil" Jill. (I was just waiting for Michelle to say, "whatever for?") Anyway, I hope Jill and her future MIL develop a great relationship.

Anonymous said...

Re: Alberta Rose's comments.I can't believe anyone thinks that Jill knows all the medical terms she needs in Spanish, as well as English. My daughter is fluent in Spanish but it took her 4 yrs of college, including a full year in Spain to become fluent with different dialects, & you need to know the different dialects. Jill really only talked to the woman that was pregnant in Nepal, & listened to the baby's heartbeat& talked to the midwife. I didn't see her deliver any babies. We have never seen her deliver a baby without the Certified Midwife there telling her each step to take. It wouldn't even be legal, for her to deliver a baby on her own, in a birthing center without having passed her exams. Her running out in the middle of the night is a TLC set-up.
As far as not showing her on camera doing her studing, people were tired of seeing the young kids wander around the house, looking for their book or whatever they needed. Meanwhile, othrs are lying around on a couch or the floor, supposedly "studying," while others are roller skating around them, or just plain screaming over a toy & yes the Duggar young kids do those things. Jill is nowhere near attaining any type of certification or licensure in Midwifery. I also cannot believe, the same textbooks are used by someone studying to be a Certified Midwife, as opposed to a Certified Nurse Midwife. That's like saying a CNA uses the same book as a Registered Nurse! Having said all this, you may have a Facebook friend, that's been an RN for 5 yrs, but I've been one for over 30 yrs.

Monica said...

I loved this one!!! Derick and Jill really love each other. It comes shinning through!!! Jill has already got him using hair products that she wants on his hair!! So cute !!! And when Derick Mother told Michelle that she is getting a daughter and that she was going to spoil her! I thought Yea for Jill!! Jill deserves to be spoiled after being a servant in her own house for so long!!! I really hope Jill gets to see the world and enjoy her life!

Anonymous said...

I about barfed when we learned that Jill had provided Derrick with a can of hair spray. Hope "daddy" approves of her man's hair.

Anonymous said...

Re: The question about Jill being an RN. After the long involved hospitalization of Josie, when she was born prematurely, since Jill was frequently at the hospital with her mom & then took care of Josie quite a bit when she finally came home from the hospital, the Duggars began singing the praises of :nurses. Jill then decided, she thought she would like to be a nurse. Since, she had also done missionary work, in the past, I guess she thought nursing would be a good fit for her all around. Then she started saying, that she really had so many, "time constraints," she didn't have the time for regular nursing school. The only time constraints, appeared to be traveling around the country with her family, on the bus, backing various candidates & causes. Then she decided, she could become a midwife & still be involved in the medical field. Michelle & JimBob were just delighted, that their daughter was going to be delivering babies. Many suspected, that they didn't really want her involved in secular employment, or attending a regular nursing school, which she would need to do if she wanted to become an RN.

Beth Anne said...

With all due respect, I think the comment of "Jill didn't just go to Nepal to visit Derrick. She also assisted a midwife" is a bit of an over-statement. I think she DEFINITELY went to Nepal to visit Derick and, while there, stopped in a health center to observe. She really didn't assist with birthing babies in any significant way - and I'm not cutting her down for not doing so, but we saw her "shadow" people and hold some babies, which was great, but I think it's inaccurate to say she had this major career experience while over there.

That being said, I think Jill has a true love and passion for the women's health field as it relates to childbirth and that she truly loves being around and caring for babies. I'm glad she was able to experience a bit of that in another country to see how things worked there.

tulip said...

I definitely like Derick, I don't see JB in him, although I do think JB has been trying to influence him big time & it's extremely annoying. Uh oh, Jill gave Derick a bottle of hairspray...glad to see it wasn't aerosol and that Derick didn't seem to have a clue how to use it. Also sweet that Derick says he wants to fix his hair how Jill likes it, and not the other way around. I really like Derick's mom and I thought she was nothing but real. It made me realize that much more how sugar-coated phony Michelle can be. I doubt JB would "allow" Jill & Derick to get married unless he had a job first, so yes that was totally fake. I would like them to talk more about Derick's career and education, they're obviously putting all their focus on his missionary work. Derick exceeds all of the Duggar males up unto this point in terms of being a formally-educated, well-rounded man so seeing as that would show them up, they won't go there for very long, if at all.

Anonymous said...

Someone wanted to know where Ben's parents where? Why do they have to be involved? Not everyone wants their whole lives on TV! BTW his parents were featured on either the first or second episode when they took Jessa and Ben on a double date. Then Ben's mom went with Ben to Erin Bates wedding.

Anonymous said...

Derricks mom said he was raised by the same instructional manual as Michelle's kids. Meaning the Bible. Not that he is a fundie.

Anonymous said...

"Her entire future rests on who she marries"

I'm still shaking my head at that comment. How about treating your daughters like they're people, not property?

I would love if one of them ran off and married someone they loved without JimBob's "permission". THAT is a show I'd be sure to tune into.

Monica said...

Another thought I had; Why was Josh and Anna there?
So the whole family was sitting around waiting? I am so over Josh and Anna. Let's move on !!! And what of poor John David? No one for him?

Miz Kizzle said...

We definitely need more missionaries. People in foreign lands need to be told in no uncertain terms that their religion just doesn't cut it, and who better to do that than a smug, homeschooled twenty-something from Arkansas?

Special Ed Lady said...

What is with the word "totally". I thought when he asked her to marry him she replied "totally yes". My goodness she is a 23 year old woman.

Anonymous said...

I like Derick's mom. She said that she raised her kids with the same "instruction manual" as the Duggars but as I see it, without all those rules. I love the relationship between Derick and his mom. So natural and loving with their mother/son hug. He and his mom seem close and I hope that she and Jill will have the same closeness. Oh, I also giggled with the "bulge in pants" statement.

Missy said...

Beth Ann is absolutely correct about Jill's reasons for her trip to Nepal...she said it herself; she wanted to meet her "special friend." Also, she only observed & asked a few questions while at the birthing center. She wasn't there for a very long period of time. She asked questions, talked to the midwife & expectant mom & that was about it. They were only there for a week, so how much could she help out at the birthing center when her main objective was to become aquatinted with Derick.

Susan said...

Why do they need to show a child throwing up? I was eating while watching and that ended my meal.

Anonymous said...

Courtship? Such a joke. All these girls are essentially locked away in their room until "Prince Charming" comes along and then they can breed like rabbits. Jill seems to have the emotional maturity of an eleven year old and I can see why.

Are we supposed to be impressed that the girls' stay chaste until marriage? That's really hard when your courtship period is so short, you're chaperoned 24/7 and eyes are everywhere (sarcasm).

Such temptation and willpower to wait until marriage - NOT.

Anonymous said...

Concur with Miz KIzzle regarding needing more missionaries. The arrogance of it all!

Anonymous said...

I could buy law texts books and recite them from memory but that still wouldn't make me a lawyer. The fact that her education is being limited when she's obviously bright and curious should be classified as child abuse. The girls will never contribute anything to society, because they have nothing to give. They will never learn to function in a society they've been carefully shunned from since birth.

Amy.

SopranoKris said...

Regarding Jill not pursuing the RN: just to complete the pre-requisites for nursing school would require her to complete a college level Biology course. If she took that, she'd have to be exposed to evolution theory and we all know (after the Creationist Museum trip) that the Duggars would never let her be exposed to that. Plus, many nursing schools require you to wear scrubs and many will not allow you to wear skirts instead of pants.

I really hope Derrick will encourage Jill to pursue her education once they're married. They seem to genuinely have affection for each other.

As far as trying on wedding dresses: they often show events "out of sequence" on this show. I'm thinking that the proposal actually happened before they left for the book signing trip (or Jill at least KNEW it was coming). I can't imagine encouraging your daughters to try on wedding dresses if you're only dating, excuse me, "courting" :)

Anonymous said...

In the Duggars rules of marriage Jill will become the property of Derrick and his family. So maybe Derrick will guide her into a the 21st century and the Duggars won't see much of her. As for Josie, what was up with her swatting at imaginary flies and eating them. Is she retarded?

geistmadl said...

What the heck was up with that whole bridal scene. Who does that? It was staged and awkward as hell. The same as the proposal. While it was a sweet song, Jill looked completely uncomprehending through the whole thing and “Yeah, totally” is just wrong. She will not get to keep up with midwifery when she gets pregnant because what is Derrick going to do? Call in sick to Walmart and lose his job, the very job her future is wrapped up in? And they will never do missionary work if they pop out babies the way Mama Dugs does.
And don’t get me started on Josh and Anna. Dim Bulb asked if Anna was staying home because of a sick kid. Why couldn’t Josh stay home?
The way they were pushing Jessa and Ben- I totally believe they are already engaged. But I think that Jessa has given up and is becoming the sheep to get through it. And then she will crack the whip when she is married.
Jinger is jealous. And Jana, poor Jana is a ticking time bomb. They are going to find the family dead if Jana can’t get out soon.
They will be foisting Joy off on someone soon.

Anonymous said...

Hopefully Jill will open herself up to being close with Derick's mom. She could learn so much more from a different culture than what she is used to. I noticed Michelle didn't quite know what to say about the spoiling Jill comment.

Kirby said...

So....Derrick was the Pistol Pete mascot at Oklahoma State for 2 years! He did an interview with the school on his role, but basically he was THE mascot at OSU! No way is that fundie at all! Matter of fact, he states that he attended weddings (and funerals) as Pistol Pete (yes, many people are that devoted to their alma mater :-) ),and get this.....he DANCED with many brides, dressed as Pistol Pete. Total strangers! Oh, the scandal, ha! He talks about it in the interview and everything. What a shame he probably won't be able to dance with his OWN bride at his wedding.

He seems very proud of his experience, as he should be. Maybe there is hope for Jill yet to live a somewhat normal life.

Anonymous said...

Jill starts naming off the "many" dates her and Derick have been on since courting "for a while." I don't think even at 13 would I have though that dating someone for 2-3 months was long or sufficient. And she named off about 4 dates, all chaperoned (mostly by parents or siblings). This does not seem sufficient enough to love someone and know you are ready for marriage. Jill is like an 11 year old girl..she is not ready for marriage and she doesn't know what true love is. What she feels is infatuation, but sadly she won't realize that because her parents have sheltered them and hindered their development. The scene between Derick and Jim Bob was set up, as all of them have been this entire season. Everything from Jim Bob being placed to colour with his kids to make it seem like he actually interacts with them. On the other hand, I actually LOVE Derick and he seems so genuine and sweet. I think he is a lot more educated and mature than Jill, which is why I feel bad that he is being thrown into this Duggar circus. He can do so much better. I hope he changes Jill from her fundie ways, and they lead a normal life with pants, dancing, wine for dinner and TV. Jim Bob's comment about "Jill's entire life being wrapped up around who she marries" was ridiculous. Shows how stupid these people are. They live to raise their daughters to 20 something and then send them off to get married. There is no in between- no travel, education, freedom, dating…They are OBSESSED with romantic relationships and marriage.
Why did the whole family come with the older girls on the book tour when they are the ones who wrote the book? Makes no sense. Obviously it was so that Michelle can stay in the spotlight and talk about how many kids she carried and pushed out (but didn't raise). Once again, even Josh and Anna and their brood joined the clan on the GIRLS' book tour? How does Josh get so much time off work..? Michelle spoke about why the girls wrote the bok etc etc…the girls can do that, Michelle shut up.
I think it's sickening that Jill tried on a wedding gown before she was engaged. They talk about saving your heart and your body but Jill has done the complete opposite. She claimed to love Derick and flew half way across the world to meet up. What if he didn't ask her to court and things didn't work out? She'd be heart broken. What if there was no engagement and they broke up after she went bridal dress shopping? She would be distraught. Good job Jill at doing as you speak and "saving your heart from heartbreak!" Jessa's take on trying on a wedding gown before engagement was spot on. Good for you Jess! Jill looked tacky and frumpy in her wedding dress and I hope that it is nowhere near the dress she actually chooses for her wedding.
I think John and Joseph are sarcastic losers. They seem to think they are better than everyone else. They should get some girlfriends and go to school/get real jobs. John is what 25? Never been touched or kissed by a girl. How embarrassing.
Derick's mom seems wonderful. Modern, modest, intelligent…nothing like Michelle.
I actually thought that the proposal was incredibly sweet and Derick did an amazing job. Only thing missing was a kiss.

Katie's Mom said...

Some comments on the; Proposal Episode. I noticed when Derick was talking with his mom, in the kitchen, there was a man siting at the table, reading a newspaper. You could only see dungarees & cowboy boots but it was a man reading the newspaper. I thought is was probably Derick's stepdad, but don't know, he wasn't shown on camera, just in the background. Then when, Derick proposed, I though that moment was "screaming for a kiss!" When they returned to the Duggars house, the only family member of Derick's, that I saw, was his mom. First,Jim Bob saw the ring & made the statement that he noticed, that they were holding hands. Then, he made the most inappropriate comment; & this is word for word; "we're going to, hopefully be grandparents, again before too long!" Of course, he could have been talking about Josh & Anna , as Josh was sitting next to him, I don't know about that. Then, when he decided to pray, he said, let's pray for, "this couple here", he never said, let's pray for Derick & Jill. They are a strange group, but I do like Derick & his mom. I wonder what Michelle thought, when Derick's mom said, she was going to spoil Jill. Michelle looked pretty surprised at that, a girl in a family, spoiled...unheard of, in Duggarland. They are there to work.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone else notice - when Jill and Derick hug, he does a one-armed side hug that pulls her in and she will wrap both arms around him. So they are not doing that awkward side hug the rest of them do... too, thank goodness they aren't doing that bizarre hand holding that Josh and Anna did. It seems more natural with Jill and Derick than with Jessa and Ben AND Josh and Anna.

Anonymous said...

I thought Derick's mom was really sweet - she obviously supports and loves her son and is ready to welcome Jill. She was tearing up during the (horrible) engagement announcement at the compound. And was tearing up talking to Michelle how much she will love having a daughter. Michelle looked clueless and confused. And Michelle cried with Josh's engagement, but almost no emotion with Jill. However, some of the things Derick said were a little red flag-y. He mentioned having children for the next 30 (?) years, the whole hair thing was weird - real men don't use hairspray - just sayin', and some of the wording used sounded like Duggar-speak. BUT he and Jill seem to really LIKE each other. None of the other couples seem know how to be friends.

Anonymous said...

Yes, I agree that John David and Joseph come across as very smug. It's also interesting to me that there seems to be no disappointment by them that they aren't getting any of the "action" of courting. You would think that to be those ages and have little to no experience with girls would be making them crazy yet none of that seems to come across. They seem perfectly happy with their sisters courting and make no mention of themselves courting or wanting a relationship. Very strange.

As for Derick's mom, she seems so warm and welcoming. I hope that Jill allows herself to become close to her as it seems like there is opportunity for a wonderful relationship there.

Certainly will be interesting to see how this all evolves and turns out!

Allison said...

Honestly, I'm not sure Jill really wants to be an RN, regardless of her family. Being raised as a Duggar, she's been around so many births and she seems to really enjoy being a midwife. The look on her face with the babies she's helped deliver show pretty well that she's in her element. She may have decided that nursing involves way more than she's really interested in.

But I do think a huge part of it has to do with the time commitment of being a Duggar. Nursing school doesn't get put on hold when you go out of town, but it seems that whatever Jill is doing means that she can either take breaks from it or she can bring it with her on the road.

And finally, regarding hairspray on men: my husband uses hairspray occasionally. Of course, he's using *my* hairspray, but he says that it helps control his hair when he has bad bed head. And a lot of men use hair gel. There's not really any difference in my mind between hair gel and hair spray for men. At least Derick's hair looks normal, unlike that quasi-comb over that Jim Bob has. Blech.

Tammy C said...

Derick called Jim Bob the night before he proposed and asked him if it would be alright for he and Jill to hold hands after he proposed.

I would imagine he felt like he had to after all of the grief about the frontal hug.

Andrea said...

I wonder if Jill and Derrick will have a TV in their home. He grew up with less barriers. Has anyone seen where this may have been mentioned? It will be a whole new experience for Jill if they do.

tulip said...

Omg 3 million viewers, 1.0 rating? JB must be foaming at the mouth, not to mention chomping at the bit to make sure Jessa's wedding prep, etc. is on deck for next season. It's got to be Derick that's the draw though because honestly, I can't see how Jill & Derick's actual relationship is anything uber-exciting.
There's something about Derick & his family that makes one feel possibly all hope is not lost. His comment alone about the full on hug "I enjoyed it" made me realize that I think this is the thing about Derick: although this guy is guarded because he loves Jill and wants to make sure he does all the right things & checks all the boxes so JB will allow him to "keep her", he's got his own mind.
Derick's mom showed true colors without saying a word when Derick was fumbling around with the ring and proposal planning. She had a genuine look of pride & joy like 'my son is getting married and about to start a whole new life of his own', as opposed to the teary eyed, fake & over-protected control issues that Michelle & JB displayed when Josh & Anna moved to DC.
I too also think Derick's mom genuinely enjoys Jill & not having any daughters will enjoy her even more. I never got the sense that Michelle has feelings like that for Anna, not to say that she has to or should, but I just find it very telling of Michelle, i.e. phony! And remember the silent scowl on the drive to the hospital when Anna was in labor with Marcus? Wow, if that wasn't an absolute look of being utterly annoyed, I can't imagine what she would look like otherwise.
I think John-david is actually a pretty good guy, and we really haven't seen much of him. On the other hand, I definitely agree that Joseph is rather annoying & cocky, I think he takes after Josh.
Josh & Anna were there prob. to keep up interest so Josh can keep collecting paychecks. All the latest happenings with the other siblings & Bates fam. make Josh & Anna look like way past yesterday's news. I noticed they changed up their profile pics too. Anna couldn't have chosen a more unflattering photo for her Instagram & Josh replaced his "Hitler-pose" on Twitter with an equally pompous one from behind the podium. How lame.

beef said...

I've said it before and I'll say it again...what happened to Jim Bob's eyebrows?? Did he always have no eye brows and I'm only just now noticing?

Anonymous said...

I haven't seen the whole episode yet but did Jill really say, "yes, totally" to an proposal?! Oh my word... How immature! I was engaged at 20 and said "yes, of course"

So sad, hopefully Jill and grow and mature in her marriage. Derick doesn't seem to mind though, that she has the emotional maturity of a tween girl.

Beth Anne said...

Re: As for Josie, what was up with her swatting at imaginary flies and eating them?

That scene totally disturbed me, even though the logical part of me says I should just chalk that up to a kid being a goofy kid. She does NOT seem 4 years old, by a long shot. Her speech and mannerisms are more like 2-ish. And I don't want to or like other people talking smack about young kids, but I think Josie could benefit from more consistent educational experiences and attentive intervention. That's the best way I can put it.

Jordyn is such a cutie-pie. Just adorable. And Jenny is stunning. She looks a lot like Jana. Jordyn "talks younger" as well. Jenny doesn't say much, so it's hard to gauge.

beef said...

I watched this episode with my 6-yr-old and I think she summed it up when she asked me why Michelle called Jill a "woman". I said "Because she is an adult". My daughter said "Oh, I thought she was a teenager". When a small child thinks a grown woman is acting like a teenager then her behavior must be even more out of line than we realize.

Rudy Tecat said...

I wanted to punch JB when Josh came in to their hotel room to tell him one of his kids was sick, and JB said something like "...Soooooooo Anna is going to stay here and take care of him?" No, JB, Josh is going to take Anna and the kids back to their house, go back to work, and stop this "One Giant Happy Family" nonsense.

Anonymous said...

I don't think Derick meant THEY were going to have children for the next 30 years.

I think he was trying to deflect Jim Bob's statement about them having children right away. Derick gestured around the room at ALL the kids and I think his point was, "Hey. Jim Bob. You will have plenty of grandkids. Let me enjoy my engagement before I think about kids." I think he was almost talking back to JB. Maybe he and Jill will make their own lives!

Anonymous said...

I don't think Derick meant THEY were going to have children for the next 30 years.

I think he was trying to deflect Jim Bob's statement about them having children right away. Derick gestured around the room at ALL the kids and I think his point was, "Hey. Jim Bob. You will have plenty of grandkids. Let me enjoy my engagement before I think about kids." I think he was almost talking back to JB. Maybe he and Jill will make their own lives!

Wampascat said...

I wonder if Jim Bob will give Derick the book and video he gave Josh on his wedding day or if Michelle will give it to Jill? Gothard has many rules about the ways married folks are allowed to have sex. Nothing too adventurous. At ALL!!!

Anonymous said...

I really hope Jill becomes close to Derick's mom, she seems so sweet and caring. I loved that she said she was going to spoil Jill!! She probably feels sorry for Jill being a sister mom and house maid. I would love to see her give Jill a makeover or take her on a shopping spree. Michelle did look stunned by this remark, she is so used to her kids always serving her and fawning over her. She never thinks of doing anything nice for those girls. Have they ever gotten pampered for the day? Michelle is used to being the queen. Go Jill!!

Anonymous said...

That whole bridal gown storyline was so staged. There is no way they walked in to a NYC bridal boutique without an appointment to try on dresses for fun. What a waste of time for the sales ladies. Cheapo Michelle would never buy Jill an expensive dress. She always calls JB cheap, that is to throw the blame on him. She is just as cheap as him. Never see her open the wallet.

auntliddy said...

Katies mom and others- I think Michele looked so shocked when Dericks mom said that because Michelle had never ONCE thought about how Jill getting married affected anyone but HER family. Michelle is very wrapped up in her and her family, never gave a thought to family Jill joining.

auntliddy said...

Oh yeah, i noticed. He's crazy about her! And i think he thinks by having a zillion kids, he will endear himself to jimboob. Jill looked a bit nervous about the 30 yr remark, lol. Idont wish them ill, i really dont, but i hope nature intervenes and she has only 2 or 3 kids. That wld be interesting. And that josh and anna hand holding was like gandsex, very creepy!

Checkerboard said...

I was impressed with the song Derick used in his proposal, it was so sentimental and sweet! It would be great if Jill has a great relationship with her new in-laws, I think Derick's mom will help her transition out of the super-fundie lifestyle. I just wish Jim Bob would keep his mouth shut, and not say every baby-making comment he has in his head.
I wonder if when Jill's married if she will always have cute hair accessories or flower clips. Because her mother does not dress to impress...or maybe Jim Bob likes the frumpy "match my polo/buttondown look". Why Michelle,why must you wear black stockings and crocs!?! Maybe she thinks the black stockings are slimming, but it is not very flattering especially for dinner dates and weddings!
Why were Josh and Anna there for the announcement? All of a sudden, they popped up out of nowhere and shared their story. We did not watch this episode to hear about Josh bringing B-Day balloons to propose to Anna or them awkwardly holding hands! They will need to get used to sharing the spotlight with another chaste-before marriage couple! Why wish their experience of newlywed bliss on their younger sister? Jill has some of an education, why not encourage her to use her brain, rather than be a baby machine. Jill does not have to push the double stroller while carrying an infant in the sling like her poor sister-in-law. Anyways, how does he afford their home? It seems that he is never at work or he's on the Family Bus touring the country!

Anonymous said...

I noticed JB had no eyebrows too. I think he has a thyroid condition, that could be why he has gained weight, always looks tired and has gained weight. He should get that checked out.

Anonymous said...

DimBulb, maybe Derrick can take all of Jill's share of HER t.v. money (by being an adult and being on your show) and the proceeds from her share of HER book she "wrote" with her sisters, and invest for his wifey and they can live off of that. I sure hope Jill gets that money.

Missy said...

I agree wholeheartedly with Beth Ann about Josie. I have been saying or a long time that there is something there that I cannot put my finger on, but have felt for a long time that Josie need some type of intervention, which I'm sorry to say, she will never get.

Anonymous said...

Re: Anonymous,6/5 @2:16pm
Someof the Duggar girls have definitely been pampered. Once, they went o a nail shop for pedicures. No every girl got a pedicure,just a chosen few. Michelle & the other girls wandered around the shop looking at polishe, etc. Go figure.

Ginger said...

I have always liked Joy a lot, but felt badly for her when she was doing her chaperone duties. You could tell that she was very pleased to have been asked to chaperone, but who let her out of the house, in that very, very tight shirt. She is really very buxom & that shirt showed her figure in a very unflattering way. I don't know how Michelle didn't notice & wondered why Jana couldn't have make a suggestion to change her shirt. If the Duggar family were out somewhere & a girl had on such a tight shirt, it would have been a big "nike moment," for the boys.

Anonymous said...

Goes to show you, if Derick had to ask JB if he could hold Jill's hand after proposing to her the next day, there is NO WAY the couple decide their own rules and pace. It's the controlling parents all the way. How stupid do they think we are and they are liars to boot.

Hailey Wall said...

Not really. I remember when my cousin was five or six he thought that I was a kid because I didn't have children (I was around twenty at the time). He thought only Moms and Dads were adults.
Kids have the strangest (yet funniest) pre-cincieved ideas.

Christine Garber said...

Jill "totally" knew the proposal was imminent. She had a French maniure. I've never seen her nails polished and unbitten (they were probably gels).

Anonymous said...

Joy was the one that said to Derick in the car after the proposal "you are not supposed to be holding hands unless you have permission". He responded that actually he did have permission. Joy loves to police everyone--covering the TV screen--making everyone follow the rules. I find this most irritating. I think she is 18. She should know better by now. Her shirt was too tight because she has gained weight and all of her hand-me-downs don't fit anymore. She is another one that acts like she is 10 years old.

Leigh Ann said...

I hadn't really noticed Joy's clothes but I wonder if she just has a different body type and her sisters' hand-me-downs don't fit her properly. Maybe she just needs a shopping trip for her own clothes.

Buck said...

I'll admit that I've watched the Duggars for years but now that two of the older girls are engaged, I just can't stomach it anymore. These young women (and their boyfriends) are experiencing their first relationships and it's endlessly exploited on TV for everyone to see. Is this what the rest of the kids can look forward to?
No thanks. I'M OUT.

Dianne said...

Yes, I agree that Jill knew the proposal was coming (french manicure).
Does Derick have any siblings? Also, I noticed Derick's mother wears slacks. I wonder if Jill will follow suit.

Anonymous said...

Could someone please indicate exactly where one might find the interview regarding Derrick's background? I would love to read it. Thanks so much.

imaamy said...

I thought it was just high def but I've felt some of the girls' derrieres looked wide for a while, Joy especially. With puberty she seemed to gain a lot rapidly (and I say this because I did exactly the same!). I mean all that processed food, sitting on buses for days, little exercise other than walking around...would be hard not to gain weight.

Leigh Ann said...

Joy is a little chunky. If she were allowed to go out and skateboard like she used to love -- and didn't she like to play basketball, too? -- she'd slim right down. She was fairly athletic when she was younger but then she turned 13 and her parents told her it was time to become a lady. When the girls were all in their room and helping Jill decide to what to wear, Joy was just on the periphery, she didn't seem like she was really part of the pack. With the sibling closest to her being boys she grew up hanging out with them, now she has to be a lady but she doesn't really seem to fit in with her sisters, who are a few years older than her. I think she'd be happier still out playing with the boys. They are her brothers, after all, there's not any harm in it in the real world.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Could someone please indicate exactly where one might find the interview regarding Derrick's background? I would love to read it. Thanks so much.

Search for Derick Dillard Pistol Pete and scroll down to Oklahoma State University - Library - Pistol Pete Interview Series. You'll find his Oral History Interview.

lisa van amerongen said...

I was glad to see the proposal was not a "family event. " It looked like the chaperones backed away and stayed out of the spotlight.

Ashley said...

Putting aside any comment on the proposal for now, ohmygosh, if your kid is sick, you don't let them expose 20+ other people and drag them around the country, you take them home. Especially when it's for a book tour for a book you didn't even write!! In my world, even if the son (Josh) needed to be there because he's one of the 19, the mom (Anna) certainly could keep her sick child at home. That part of the episode really frustrated me.

I thought the proposal was really sweet and well thought out. I like that even when something isn't important to Derrick, it seems like if he knows it's important to her, he accommodates. That will serve them well through marriage. :) Notably, this doesn't mean changing one's personality (Jessa and Ben, I'm looking at you. I hope that's just TV editing in their case.)

I took the "grandparents for the next 30 years or so" to be a deflection of the comment from himself and Jill. Yes, they are going to be grandparents again, probably all the way until Josie hits menopause. Because they have a zillion kids.

Ashley said...

Oh, I almost forgot. I *loved* that Derrick's mom said she was so excited to have a daughter and that she's going to spoil her. I hope she does!!! Goodness knows a girl can use a mom figure who can focus only on her.

Dianne said...

I am a little worried about Jana. She rarely speaks in interviews..........yet she is the oldest daughter. She seems shy to me. I hope she will find the right husband/companion for her.

Anonymous said...

I tried to find Derick's Pistol Pete interview, but 'someone' removed it. Wonder who? JB, we're looking at YOU. What did it say? Can anyone get it back? Interesting, that he was a Red Cross life guard? He was defrauded seeing females in real bathing suits! How do Jill's parents explain themselves approving this worldly guy?

Beth Anne said...

Re: "Michelle is very wrapped up in her and her family, never gave a thought to the family Jill is joining."

Bingo! I think JimBob and Michelle are so wrapped up in "look at our large family" and in associating with other large, ATI-centered families that they don't really look at situations from others' perspectives. Now, Jill being the bride, it kind of makes sense that the Duggars would do a bulk of the planning, but I think their egos would think they are in charge and get to set up all the ground rules for the wedding even if it were a son getting married. Josh married an ATI girl, so both families were on the same page there, but Derick's family is a little different, and I don't think it will ever occur to JimBob and Michelle to engage in a two-way discussion with his parents or with Derick himself to see what kind of wedding "their side" might want.

The Duggars trump all. Because, did you know they have 19 kids? And Michelle delivered every one of them???

Wampascat said...

Wonder what Derick's mom thought of Jim Boob's comment about hoping for lots of grandkids at the engagement announcement? He needs to get screwing of the brain. They make a pill for that.

Sharla said...

I don't think it's a good idea to discuss a minor's weight especially since it seems within the normal range. Further discussion will not be approved.

Anonymous said...

This is a link to Derick's Pistol Pete interview. http://dc.library.okstate.edu/cdm/ref/collection/ostate/id/7778

I hope it will be okay to post.

Anonymous said...

Joy's activities are very restricted because her daddy wants to get the tomboy out of her and because of the clothing she is forced to wear. She seems so entrenched in the rules that I expect she will be in the kitchen baking bread and tending to the little ones for a long time. She is certainly unhappy looking.

Anonymous said...

Mommy Michelle has had a pressing need to get Joy away from being a tomboy, since she was 12. Jim Bob is just as bad. There's nothing wrong with being a tomboy. It will serve you well later in life, as you stand up for yourself. I hope we don't see Joy confined to the kitchen & only doing childcare. Shouldn't she still be doing school work? Don't forget we all thought, that of all of them, Jill drank the most kool aid & we were wrong.

Anonymous said...

The funny thing is, wasn't Michelle herself, once a "tomboy"?She still can whistle through her teeth, when calling for her children, like you'd call a dog, she threw crabapples at passing cars, was athletic, etc., hey, she turned out to be ok; nothing wrong with JoyAnna; they need to let up on their kids in the right way and get on them in the right way too. (Like teaching the younger ones some self control, not to climb on counters, tables, etc).

Missy said...

Beth Ann is correct about everything being the; "Duggars Way." I really don't think Derick cares a whole lot about the wedding plans, he's just anxious to marry Jill, so he can kiss her. OH God, I just remembered, it was JB that made the big announcement at Josh & Anna's wedding that they could now kiss for the first time. I'm sure it will be JB standing up on the alter giving a long drawn out spiel. This is a chance of a lifetime for him to take center stage. It will be a be a repeat& probably much more of Josh & Anna's. How very sad, for a young couple, for the parents to take center stage, at their son or daughter's wedding & try to put the attention on themselves. I believe that's what will happen. Derick will keep quiet & I believe his mom will also, because they don't want the attention on themselves. I think Derick' s mom quite rightly, would want the attention on her "new daughter." I remember the Duggars were on the alter at somebody else's wedding, I don't remember whose & thought that was way out of line. I don't care if they have 19 kids & counting, of course.
Wouldn't it be something, if after they are pronounced man & wife, Derick just grabbed Jill & kissed her, without a speech from JB. Derick would absolutely be entitled to do that. Nobody want's to sit & listen to JB, except, JB

Anonymous said...

Re; Judy's comments about Jill & Derick's doing missionary work. I believe, that they are both people, that truly would like to be involved in missionary work. However, since Derick has just completed his 2 yr assignment, that I believe was affiliated through his church, I don't look for them to be too involved in missionary work for quite awhile. Derick has stated, that he has a good job offer, for work in his field,of accounting. He feels he can support Jill, even to JB's standards. So I think that although, they will always be open to missionary work, they are just starting their married life. He is just starting his career. As for Jill, this is absolutely the perfect time, to go for that midwife certification. Derick seems to support her whole heartedly. I so hope she does complete her studies in that field, as I believe she really enjoys her work. Nothing better than working at something you really enjoy. How great to see her finish & become certified with Derick standing by her side instead of JimBob & Michelle. I feel they have interfered with her goals in life so she can be part of the traveling, Duggar Circus.

Anonymous said...

I liked Missy's comment:

"OH God, I just remembered, it was JB that made the big announcement at Josh & Anna's wedding that they could now kiss for the first time. I'm sure it will be JB standing up on the alter giving a long drawn out spiel. This is a chance of a lifetime for him to take center stage."

I think you are right. JB will probably do this at Jill and Derek's wedding. I also think he says that because he wants EVERYONE to know--YES, THIS IS THEIR FIRST KISS. See? I promised that none of my kids would kiss before marriage. See? We are better than the average family...

Anonymous said...

I was looking through the Bates' Family blog and in each of their children's recent Engagement Posts (Erin, ALyssa, and Zach) ALL are hugging in the photos. Really hugging! No awkward side hugs but real "I love you" hugs. Even though they wait to kiss until they are married their less-restrictive courtships and engagements would be something maybe the Duggar children should examine as well. The Bates are also an ATI family and share the same values but have allowed their children a much more normal life.

Missy said...

Re: Geistmadl comment, about why Josh couldn't stay with a sick child...he's the man of the house, plus he's a Duggar by birth not marriage, so his presence is much more important than Anna's at any publicity op.

Anonymous said...

To Anonymous on June 7: Thank-you so much for posting that article on Derick Dillard as Pistol Pete! What a fine, normal, of-the-world young man he was (and, presumably, still is?)! I cannot imagine that he will be anything but a breath of fresh air for Jill. However, she may feel conflicted if her husband encourages (haha, that word!) her to broaden her horizons (because, my goodness, aren't they shockingly narrow, compared to his). I encourage everyone to read that article to get a true feeling for who this young man is and the family he comes from. I can't believe Jim Bob is okay with exposing his daughter to such a normal young man, saved or not. Perhaps there just aren't as many good choices amongst the ATI crowd.

Anonymous said...

I was watching the proposal. I think Jill should have prank her parents. Walking in holding hands, announcing that they decided to remain friends and later say gotcha! Ahhh, that would have been neat to see because the Duggar's play practical jokes on each other.

Anonymous said...

Enjoying the comments as they come in. I have NO idea why I'm hooked on this blog, and keep coming back. LOL.

Anyway, I try to keep in mind that every SECOND of the show we see has been carefully scripted and choreographed, so to speak. Camera angles, etc. I would love to know how many hours (and hours) go into making just one 30-minute show.

Of course Derick and family's role will be minimized and controlled as much as possible. The more speaking, the more money someone is (or could be) entitled to. So I know we won't hear from his family much if at all. Maybe a few seconds of comment, like on news reports. And that's it. After all, the show's not about Derick's family, and I bet they are probably happy about that. They probably had to sign waivers and permissions and whatnot just to appear. Nondisclosure agreements, etc.....

I work in local news in my area, and it was unbelievable the hoops I had to go through to just interview a local reality "star" for an A&E show -- through the production company and then the network, even though this person is a "friend of a friend."

It's all about the ratings and the shows. I believe half of what I see and trust less than half of that. All the "asides" and "comments" during the show are likely responses to those carefully scripted questions that keep things focused on JB and Michelle. That empire will be harder and harder to control, the older the kiddos get....

But despite the script, I can still see the shock on Michelle's face of realizing not everyone has HER perspective (like Mom Dillard -- I like this woman already). Michelle could learn a bit from trying to see someone else's perspective.

Anonymous said...

To Anonymous on June 10: You're welcome. To me it was a long interview but, I actually read it all. Derick is a worldly young man and I think with his help and encouragement I see Jill bending rules. She's already done it.

Anonymous said...

Link to the interview:

http://dc.library.okstate.edu/cdm/fullbrowser/collection/ostate/id/7778/rv/singleitem

Don't think JB can get this removed, ha!

Sharla said...

Michelle's thoughts on the upcoming marriage:
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/06/19-kids-and-subtracting-michelle-duggar-fears-daughter-jills-engagement-will-split-up-family/

mythoughtis said...

So Michelle thinks JILLs marriage will split up the family.... as opposed to Josh's? He's moved to Washington, so the family is already physically split up (which is what she refers to). Interesting that she hasn't considered Jill being a wife and that coming before being a daughter (even though they believe they literally give their daughters away), or that new in-laws will be in the mix with more liberal standards than hers. But,then, Michelle has never been a deep thinker.

Sharla said...

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hello said...

I think that Jill marrying a more mainstream man has a lot to do with Michelle thinking it will split up the family. Derrick will become her authority figurine once they say I do and will be in charge of deciding where they live. When Josh and Anna got married, I don't believe Anna had any say in deciding where they would live. Jimboob and Michelle had no problem with Anna moving away from her family in Florida to live in Arkansas. I just saw the the rerun of when they moved to Washington DC. Josh was crying when his family was leaving and said more than once that he had never lived away from them. Annawas crying when she said she would miss them and would miss the girls babysitting. I don't recall her crying after she married Josh and was going to be moving away from her family.
When Derrick and Jill came to the house to announce their engagement, Michelle looked surprised when Derrick's mom said something about finally getting a daughter. After years of parading their family around for attention, they seem to have forgotten that the focus is not always going to be on them. I have no doubt that Jimboob try to have the attention focused on him the day of their wedding. Any beta on whether will make the- they saved there first kiss for their wedding day? Michelle did say there is hand holding when Jill and Derrick came in the house to announce their engagement. I found that odd, but it is the Duggars. I guess the fact that they obeyed the rules was more important than the fact that they were engaged.

Anonymous said...

"hello" made some very insightful comments. Anna didn't cry when leaving her family in Florida because she was "high on hormones" for Josh and that ruled. She couldn't wait for the "ok" from the family and God. Yes, I agree that Michelle didn't give the Kellars one second of thought or consideration that they were going to lose THEIR daughter to her family. She also didn't consider Josh splitting up the family in living in DC because they are always in Arkansas!

Buck said...

Upon hugging, Jill said something like, "We messed up." . . . No Jill, "messing up" is any young woman who gets married, has kids, is totally reliant upon her husband for support and has no means to support herself at all. THAT is "messing up". NO woman should put herself in that position. THAT is "messing up". It's a shame Jim Bob and Michelle never instilled that.

Anonymous said...

I just don't get the Duggar rules. They constantly stress that the couples set the standards they would like to follow during courtship and engagement. Derick and Jill held hands for the first time after the proposal and JoyAnna said in the car after that they weren't supposed to be holding hands and Derick said that he had gotten permission from JB the night before. If it was decided between Derick and Jill that hand holding during their engagement was okay then why the need for permission? I know Derick really loves Jill and is probably toeing the line up until before they are married and I hope once married they will live the life that they both decide to have.
Michelle couldn't wait until after the engagement was announced to say that they are now holding hands and I took it like SHE was announcing the engagement. lol, didn't JB shhushh her right after?

Elspeth said...

Michelle's blog:
http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/19-kids-and-counting/michelle-duggars-blog/michelle-duggar-jills-engagement.htm

Sharla said...

Dear anonymous, I'll put the link in the post box.

hello said...

I don't believe for one minute that Jimboob and Michelle leave it up to their kids to decide their own rules for courting. I wonder if Jill got a talking to because she dared to give Derrick a full frontal hug when she met him at the airport. As far as chaperones go when they go out, I think Jimboob and Michelle have drilled it in their heads that bad things will happen if you are left alone with someone of the opposite sex. That goes back to Michelle dating other boys before she met Jimboob. He has brought that up a few times and won't let it go. She might have held hands with and kissed one or two of those boys. They have said they were both virgins when they got married but had gone further than they should have. They might have held hands, hugged and maybe even kissed. They have trained their kids to be terrified of the real world and they certainly don't seem to trust their kids to make their own life choices. IMO, part of growing up is making your own choices, making mistakes and learning from them. Making your grown children have a chaperone while on a date for accountability is just ridiculous. It's even more ridiculous when you have a child c haperoning 23 and 25 year old adults.

Judy said...

I don't understand the "re evaluating standards upon engagement" thing. I don't think they really know why they choose what they choose to do. Is all of thsi to protect the heart, still? How are you more/less protected if you hold hands?

Anonymous said...

I think it was an insult and a slap in the face that Derick, a 25 year old ADULT, had to answer to Joy Anna, a 16 year old KID about holding Jill's hand. What is wrong with them and why would Derick agree to such a bizarre "courtship"? Does he agree totally with the Duggar standard and rituals? Will he continue them in his home? We'd like to hear from the "Derick Family" and Derick on those things.

Anonymous said...

The courtship rules may be bizarre to some of us but, I see Derick as going along with them for Jill since that is how she was raised and he is honoring them for her until they are married. I love how he is doing things to please Jill and think that the (and I hate having to say it) authority he will have over her won't be as much the Duggar standard.

Anonymous said...

Michelle is worried that Jill will spent more time with Derick Family / mother in law who wants to spoil her , Michelle just wants jill -Derick in the Duggar family and Duggar family only ,Ann move away from her family to live close my the Duggars and only went to vist her family a few time

Anonymous said...

I wonder if Joy's reprimand about the hand holding came from fear of being chastised by her parents later for not being a vigilant chaperone. As to the frontal hugs, that's ridiculous. We often give hugs in church when sharing the peace, and I've never seen anyone carried away wirh lust. A hug can just be a gesture of affection, not a prelude to uncontrollable sex. How sad that they do not trust their children. What goes on in their minds?

Anonymous said...

I think JB is a little more lax when it comes to front hugs compared to Michelle. I feel sad for the adult girls. I don't get why Michelle would deprive them of a regular teen life as she had. I also think Jill found a way around the side hugs. Her front is to his side with her arms around him.

hello said...

I believe the reason that the girls are deprived of a regular teen life is Jimboob. Michelle went to public school, was a cheerleader, wore pants and dated boys. When Jimboob came along I believe he thought it was his mission to save her from a life of sin. He brainwashed Michelle into following his beliefs and she went along with it. And to this day he still feels the need to bring up the fact that she dated other boys before him and makes her feel guilty about it. I stilk don't understand the side hug. Do they think that if two people hug each other it will turn them into sex maniacs? As much as Jimboob and Michelle would not like to admit it, their kids do have hormones and get "feelings". I believe that is a big part of why their kids have to share bedrooms and are not encouraged to ever be alone.

Anonymous said...

"hello", you are exactly right. These kids are afforded absolutely NO alone time or space for fear that they will "sin". It's a travesty.
Regarding the post about JoyAnna and Derick's handholding of Jill: since Derick "got permission" from JimBob the evening before, don't you think Jim Bob should have mentioned this to Joy and Jana being that the physical is SO important to these people. The chaperones should have known if Jill accepted and they were engaged the hand holding was approved. Once again, this shows without a doubt that the couple don't make up their own boundaries, it's the parents' rules that prevail.

Anonymous said...

Although I thought the proposal was beautiful and well done I felt sad for Jill and Derick. I thought the gazes each other gave looked like they wanted to kiss but since they are saving their first for the wedding so then a long hard hug would have been really nice and good for them. I'm sure they wanted to but didn't because of "the rules".

hello said...

A natural reaction for most people after a proposal would be a kiss or at least a hug. Jimboob and Michelle seem to get a kick out of kissing and dry humping in front of theirkids while they are c haperoning their adult children's dates and then taunting them by saying- you can't do this yet. When Josh and Anna got engaged, Michelle had to being up the fact that they decided to save their first kiss for their wedding day and then said that her and Jimboob would do all the kissing for them. I foumd that very disturbing. There is no way they let their kids decide decide on their rules when they are courting. It was ridiculous that Derrick, at 25, had to ask Jimboob's permission to hold Jill's hand once they were engaged. I thought his proposal to Jill was sweet and very well thought out. His natural reaction was probably to kiss Jill and give her a big hug, but he knew that would be a big no no. I would like to know if Jill got lectured for giving Derrick a full frontal hug at the airport. It's a shame that the kids are so scared to show true emotions and feelings.

Anonymous said...

I'm sorry, but I just don't see Jill as this special prize that Derick should have to bow down to their ridiculous rules for; unless he is just like them. We have never heard from him or his family as to what they live by. They are acting like Jill is a member of the British Royal Family; which she is NOT.

Anonymous said...

How would Jesus react to a couple hugging and kissing each other just after they became engaged? I think he would be pleased. I wish Icould ask Jimboob and Jchelle what WWJD.

Anonymous said...

Yes, yes, I do believe that Jesus has been depicted as "full front-hugging" the apostles and disciples. He also has kissed them. what would they say to that?

Anonymous said...

I truly don't want to offend anyone but in re-reading some of the comments for June, I cannot believe anyone could make the statement that Jill didn't just go to Nepal to see Derick. That's exactly why she went. They were able to set-up a visit to a clinic for Jill to show her interest in midwifery. She herself kept saying she was going to Nepal to see her "special friend. There was never any mention of her spending more than 30-40 minutes with the midwife. Also , if she is really studying all the medical terminology she needs in both Spanish & English , she better have an excellent tutor. Although,of all the Duggars, I believe Jill does know some Spanish,still it's not enough to read from a textbook. I have never once heard her say she was going to study all her requirements for her exams in both languages. That's a huge undertaking, and one I don't think Jill will ever be able to do at any time. The time involved for that just boggles the mind.

Anonymous said...

I agree with Anonymous 6/18 1:10.. Jill did indeed go to Nepal for the sole purpose of meeting Derick in person...that was her only motive. She chased this guy around the globe. I believe it was TLC that thought it might be nice if she 'dropped in' and observed midwifery in Nepal. I highly doubt she will continue with it as it's against their beliefs for a married woman to work at all. I don't think Jill will have the desire or focus on her studies as she is mesmerized by Derick still and she will be expecting herself very soon. That will stop her studies for good.

Anonymous said...

If I were Derick's mother, I would have some reservations if my son was marrying so soon after returning from abroad and marrying someone who is an emotional 14 year old like Jill. She may be likeable and nice, yes, but none of them are matured beyond jr. high. I can see that Cathy is loving and supportive of her son, and wishes him a happy life, unlike detached, cold Michelle who has a hard time with genuine emotion. These two ladies will have absolutely no relationship with each other. I also believe that is the case with Mrs. Kellar and Michelle. Distance doesn't matter with this family; it's obvious with Kelly Bates and Michelle...if Anna's family had a relationship with this clan, they'd be in the stinky bus often for a free trip to Florida.
I thought it was selfish,(typical) of Michelle to have the oversized umbrella while her two daughters struggled under one small umbrella in the rain. What about those musicians? No one cared about them? I'm so sick of Michelle and her raised eyebrow, look of surprise at regular conversation with everyone and her baby voice..she must be on some kind of prescription since the breakdown.
There was an old post on another site, when Jana was 14..they spoke of their daily activity schedule. I was stunned to read that at 14 yrs old, Jana was already the cook in the family..why doesn't Michelle cook for her own family? That is a chief gender role for wives and mothers in a family who boasts about gender roles...put YOUR apron on, Michelle, and start chopping...lazy, entitled woman.

Anonymous said...

I fail to see where being a cheerleader, dating boys and working in a yogurt shop after school is sinful. JimBob was Michelle's first "car date". How promiscuous could she have been before that? Not at all. Those are very good learning experiences and can be Godly ones, too. They are quite frankly fanatics. Get over it, Michelle, you were NOT a whore in high school.

Anonymous said...

So, what is Jill and the like, trying to prove in having her first kiss be at her wedding? I hope someone is ready with the medal to pin on her after the "event". I don't think there is anything wrong with a kiss upon engagement. After all, he has already committed to buying the cow. He should get at least that. I'm so tired of the Duggars' "better than thou" standard. Jill is proving nothing other than she is an exact copy of ther parents. I have yet to hear any of their children say anything original. It's all repeated platitudes from their parents..."if you have a problem with drinking, stay out of the tavern"..."highter standard", "righteously fulfilled",,etc, don't they know how to say anything for themselves? I'd be worried if I were Derick's mother.

Anonymous said...

I don't feel that Jill is trying to prove anything by not kissing until the wedding. That what was instilled by the parents and that is what they think is right. I can't stand when J'boob and Mullet say "you can't do this yeeeettttt!" and then do it in front of them. Fine, they can't do it yet but don't go and flaunt it right after saying it. Sick!

Anonymous said...

Having just read Michelle's advice to Jill before the wedding night and a couple of her other blog posts it led to, I'm once again struck by how much of her language is peppered with words like "right," "wrong," "mistake," "always," "never," and other rigidly judgmental phrases. So who decided a kiss before marriage was "wrong?" Did Jesus actually say that? Watching Duggar, et al, kisses on the church stage is like being privy to a bedroom scene. I think it's just another way for fundamentalist parents to intrude into the lives of their kids. Because the parents all have arrested development regarding sex, they get some kind of teenage kick out of it.

I wonder when it will hit Jim Bob that he is actually giving up control over one of his children. If he cries through the wedding, it will be for himself.

I feel terrible for little Jenny who is an example of one of the problems with a lifestyle that depends on siblings for relationships instead of a wide circle of friends, parents, teachers, and other children and adults. I doubt that Michelle has a clue how wrenching Jill's leaving is going to be for Jenny. You can't do that to children. The normal life process is for older siblings to grow up and leave home. Jenny can't help but feel abandoned with her sibling mother leaving for good. And because of the Duggar's one bedroom situation, Jenny will be seeing Jill's empty bed and dresser every night before she goes to sleep. How mean of Michelle not to think that far ahead. Where is her sense of mothering?

auntliddy said...

Anon is so right about Jenny. And Michele is completely unaware, because in her fantasy world, she is the raison d 'etre of each childs world. She flits thru that house, of 21 people- yet, SHE never has anything to do!!!!

hello said...

Michelle seems to feel that her responsibility for her children ends when she gives birth to them, nurses them and then weans them. They are then passed along to their sister moms. I wonder how the younger kids feel when Michelle is asked if she is pregnant or planning to get pregnant and she answers by saying-I am currently not expecting but I would like to be. It's going to be hard enough for the younger kids when their sister moms get married and leave without feeling as if their birth mother left them years ago. Joyanna will take Jill's place but who will take over for Jessa as she will most likely be the next one to get married. Maybe if Michelle wasn't so busy being Jimboob's buddy, she would have time for her own kids. But since she has said in an interview that a relationship with your spouse is more important than one with your kids, I don't see that happening.

Alberta Rose said...

feel terrible for little Jenny who is an example of one of the problems with a lifestyle that depends on siblings for relationships instead of a wide circle of friends, parents, teachers, and other children and adults. I doubt that Michelle has a clue how wrenching Jill's leaving is going to be for Jenny. You can't do that to children. The normal life process is for older siblings to grow up and leave home. Jenny can't help but feel abandoned with her sibling mother leaving for good. And because of the Duggar's one bedroom situation, Jenny will be seeing Jill's empty bed and dresser every night before she goes to sleep. How mean of Michelle not to think that far ahead. Where is her sense of mothering?

I know that a few secular kids will turn to drugs and alcohol, a few will do self harm, a few will move close to the sibling when they are old enough to leave home. So far every Christian kid reaches out to their parent,who talks with the rest of the family, they all pray, and help the child adjust.

Beth Anne said...

Alberta Rose, I'm not trying to argue, but I just want to understand your previous point. Are you saying that most secular kids who have an older sibling leave the house due to marriage will turn to drugs and alcohol or self-harm as a means of coping? And that EVERY young Christian kid will turn to their parent(s) for comfort and the whole family will help when the older sibling leaves the nest?

If that is the case, then that is a blanket statement that cannot possibly be accurate in all scenarios. I am a Christian, and I would never assume that non-Christian kids will start doing drugs when they are upset about a family situation. Likewise, I am sure there are many young kids raised in Christian households who do not share their feelings or, conversely, who actually engage in self-harm behind-the-scenes because they don't know how to cope.

In fact, I would be worried about some of the Duggar younglings holding their feelings in, since there is a heavy emphasis within their circles to "keep sweet." However, I hope that Michelle, Jim Bob, and/or any of the older kids are sensitive to any possible difficulties the younger ones are having to these life transitions and being proactive about helping those kids adjust.

sandi said...

So true,Beth Anne.My parents were Christian,and I didn't have anyone to turn to other than my boyfriend.It just isn't that way in all families.Being religious does not make one perfect.

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