Tuesday, May 27, 2014, 9:00 PM, A Toast to Love

Derick is finally home from Nepal, and the whole family has planned a super-sized welcome. Later, Michelle takes the courting couples on a triple date. And the kids surprise Jim Bob and Michelle with a dinner they won't forget!

60 minutes

Ratings:  2.787 M viewers and a 1.0 rating.

162 comments:

Anonymous said...

We are talking about two couples who are in their twenties (maybe not Ben, but you know, Derrick can watch him). Why on earth are the parents "taking grown people on a date? Why not let the 4 of them go out together? I'm sure if anything inappropriate happens, one of the girls will rat on the other and win brownie points with Mama and Daddy. It would be the first time that these adult girls are allowed to be somewhere without a parent. They have to grow SOMETIME. Michelle, you are too old to hang out with the young folk...Do your own laundry and cook, you won't have time or energy to hang out with them.

Anonymous said...

What do they think the couples will get up to in a restaurant? Will they lose control and start having sex on the table? Talk about a lack of trust.
That leaves the J slaves home baby sitting.
How sad.

Dar said...

Michelle and Jim Bob really can't be out of the spotlight. People might forget them and appreciate their young offspring. Michelle will do her very best to get pregnant to get the attention off the young people. It would be nice for the two couples to get out from under supervision. If they get a taste of that freedom, they just might not want to get back under the thumb, and we can't have them thinking for themselves!

Anonymous said...

Oh please, oh please, Michelle and Jim Bob, don't subject us to yet another "double or triple" ( I don't care what the math is) date with you two. Are they going to act like asses again and grope each other in public? Or worse yet, in front of their own kids and their guys? Open a dictionary and read the definition of "modesty". I'm sure your photo won't be there.

Anonymous said...

One can certainly have regrets is a courtship breaks up. It looks like it to me that Jill had her whole heart invested in Derrick, who she hasn't even met yet. The only thing these people are worried about protecting are their vaginas. Their hearts are just as affected in a broken courtship. They full of it.

mythoughtis said...

If the typical Michelle and Jim Bob date occurs, it will be interesting to see Derick's reaction. He's not been raised to think such flaunting of the older generation is normal. I doubt his Mom and Step-Dad carry on like Michelle and Jim Bob do.

Beth Anne said...

Re: the way young people have been "dating" the past many decades is not working.

If this means "sleeping with" every date they have, I would agree. But, the more "traditional" dating model, which was and is still followed by many, many generations of young people, does work, with no parent chaperone needed. That means being given the opportunity to meet others on your own, going out on single or double dates with others to get to know the person on your own and see if you click, having one-on-one time to talk openly and privately about future dreams, goals, etc., and THEN making independent decisions about whether or not the relationship should proceed.

While the Duggars speak of guarding their hearts, it's really about guarding the bodies.

Really, I don't see why the Duggar girls can't go on unchaperoned dates. I don't think it's a remote possibility that they would cross any type of physical line and, even if they did engage in some kissing, hugging, etc., they are not going down the "wrong" path.

Judy said...

I'm not sure that guarding the heart is such a great idea anyway. If you never break up from your first boyfriend or girlfriend, great. But it's very good to learn to live through heartbreak, to live through things not always going your way, etc. You don't need to have a physical relationship to have this happen.

Anonymous said...

RE: Their hearts are just as affected in a broken courtship.

Yes, hearts are broken if a courtship doesn't work out no matter how far you have or haven't gone physically. All these rules about chaperones and no kissing don't protect their hearts.

Just ask Zach Bates.

Patrice said...

I just hope that the Duggars realize soon how ridiculous their chaperoning is. In a few years, they may have four or five or more kids "courting" at a time. How are they going to keep up with that? Assign one night a week to each kid? Or make them go out on quintuple dates with their parents? What if all the kids or their dates don't like the same restaurant? They can't see their BF/GF unless they agree to go with all the others? Really, this is insane. If their eighteen year old or older offspring cannot be trusted to be out with others their own ages, then the Duggar parenting has truly failed somewhere. I hope one of the kids soon says "Hey, I am twenty. I don't need to be babysat any more, mom and dad. See you later!" The irony is that the Duggars put so much effort into babysitting the twenty somethings, who are already grown. If they put half that much effort into raising the children that still need them, maybe things at the compound would be a lot more normal.

Anonymous said...

I don't understand why John David isn't courting? He has his towing business, a house and he is 22 years old ,he is very shy and awkward. He needs to get more confidence.

Anonymous said...

Although, we all know we hear a great deal about the divorce rate these days, still I believe there are many happily married couples out there. Believe me, chaperoning is not the answer to unhappy marriages, or broken engagements, or recovering from a broken heart. The majority of us have done that, it can build character. You absolutely cannot prevent future heartache by chaperoning young adults, they way the Duggars do. If you raise you children well, & are fortunate enough to be able to show them a strong & loving marriage, that will go far in helping them make many good decisions in their lives. Although, no one make perfect decisions all their lives. Having said that, I believe a strong single parent household (yes Michelle, there are strong single households)can produce children that are capable of excelling in every aspect of life. Although, I'm sure, in a single parent home, there's not a great deal of free time to chaperone every young adult. That's a good thing in my opinion

hello said...

I don't think any of the kids would even think about telling Jimboob or Michelle to back off. They have been trained from birth to think and do what they are told. Jimboob and Michelle went out on dates before they got married without chaperones and just because they went further than they think they should have doesn't mean their kids will. Jimboob is fond of telling the kids that Michelle dated boys before him and has "baggage". She also attended public school, was a cheerleader and wore pant before Jimboob came along and "saved" her. He is probably the one that told her that she was the reason her neighbor got a divorce because she mowed the lawn in a bikini. You either trust your kids to make their own decisions or you don't. Apparently none of the Duggars kids can be trusted, not even when they are adults.

Not a fan said...

If jana or John David don't court someone soon, they'll be courting and going on double/ triple dates with Jim Bob, Michelle and say Jennifer and her potential husband. How awkward will that be?

Zoey said...

Their hearts are not guarded. Jill declared love before she even met this guy.

Sherry R said...

You may have a broken heart anyway??? The guarding your heart is part of saving sex for marriage. Your heart is a lot more broken when you break up after having sex with someone than someone you may have just held hands and even kissed. Normal girls become very emotionally attached after sex. Then throw in all the other emotions, guilt, etc.. if he dumps you. This is all about posting peoples opinions and many disagree, I get it. I do not believe in the Gothard ways, but I believe they are harmed more by other parts of the doctrine than the dating, courting philosophy. For one, the kids remaining at home until marriage I find troubling. We are not supposed to separate ourselves from the world as if we are better than others and I believe they may believe they are somehow set apart. The rules in regards to how you handle accusations of abuse are disturbing to say the least. These kids have the parents they have and are stuck, I hope they escape the Gothard cult for many reasons, courtship not being top of that list.

Shoka's Understudy said...

I cannot believe JB and Michelle are going on a triple date with them. They both are so sadistic! All JB and Michelle will do is kiss, kiss and kiss and rub it in their faces that they can do it and you have to wait! Can't wait till Jana sees the light and gets a lawyer, packs a bag and moves out and sues for her share of her work earnings from her parents. She has every right to do this. She could of already had her master's in nursing and already been working for a couple of years now. There is nothing wrong with that. The control factor at Duggarville is off the charts. There is no way with 19 kids, not one will buck up and leave. My mother the other day was talking about JB and how prideful he was about his appearance. His hairsprays, everything. She said he is not humble at all. When someone who has barely seen a full episode over the years has that kind of opinion, that should tell you something. She thinks Jana is the prettiest of the girls and I think so too!

Anonymous said...

It is beyond creepy that this family is so obsessed with sex. I cannot imagine me knowing about my parents ways let alone them knowing what I did or didn't do on a date as an adult!

They can hump on a golf course and give birth on TV but hand holding is wrong?

They are one big messed up bunch.

WOW!

hello said...

They way obsessed with sex. They seem to get a kick out of kissing and holding hands while out on a date with their daughter and boyfriend and then taunting them by saying, you can't do this yet. Then you have the girls keeping an eye on Michelle's calendar and being on baby watch. That is way beyond creepy. I would love to see at least one of the kids leave and sue Jimboob and Michelle for their share of the money. I have a bad feeling that Jimboob and Michelle have the money just in their names. The kids have been trained to never question their parents so it probably wouldnt even cross their minds to ask about the money.

Anonymous said...

We are not talking about the Duggar girls having sex before marriage. But they should at least be able to hold hands & kiss if they want to. Yes, kiss if they want to. That's a personal decision, & it's totally disgusting to listen to Jim Bob & Michelle say; "you can't do this yet, but we'll do it for you," & proceed to kiss & kiss & kiss in front of the young couple. If those are the rules in the family, Michelle & Jim Bob shouldn't be flaunting the kissing in front of them. What has people upset is, that they constantly talk bout how modest they are, but their public displays say something entirely different. They need to put their Bible down & get a dictionary to explain modesty. Remember, they don't just want their girls to be modest, they want us to believe they are a living example of it!

CannedSoup said...

Regarding going out on dates with the parental units: I have to agree with all the comments that it shows an amazing lack of trust by Jim Bob and Michelle in their children and an equal lack of trust in their own raising of those children. Further, any talk by Jim Bob that his wife---who he should love, respect and defend---has "baggage" is so very disrespectful of her. Constantly bringing up someone's "past" (and Michelle really doesn't have one in the sense they are talking about)is just plain cruel. Jim Bob isn't teaching his children thereby, rather, he is causing the children to look upon Michelle in a less than flattering light which, as a result, could lessen their respect and love for her.

Anonymous said...

I doesn't say much for JB and M if they don't think that they instilled values and morals to heir children and that they still have to constantly monitor them. They are basically telling them that the can't be trusted. It's actually quite sad that the have to wait for marriage to establish any relationships with the opposite sex. It's probably why they are awkward.

Anonymous said...

I don't think most young women are guilt ridden over a relationship that has broken up, whether or not it involved sex. Today's young women, are busy with their educations & careers. Many have Bachelor Degrees & often times Masters. Some are DR's & Lawyers. They are living full & productive lives They're not wasting their time thinking about, if they gave away pieces of their heart, or a broken relationship in the past, they've moved on. You know it a physiological fact, that the heart can regenerate itself, in time. Maybe the Duggar girls do need courtship rules to prevent a broken relationship & giving away pieces of their hearts. They aren't prepared to step out into the big wide world & they never will be. Oh yes, I know, Jill has her midwifery training,(if she ever completes that) Jana has already said she's not that interested in the Doula studies. We really don't have a clue about Jinger, except she likes to take photos and would like to live in a city.

Anonymous said...

I don't doubt for even one second that all the money is just in Jim Bob's name. Nothing for the kids. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't be surprised if there was no money in Michelle's name. After all, they don't really believe a woman should have her own money. Jim Bob knows those kids would never sue him for their fair share & it is their fair share. I wonder If a husband like Derick (college educated) would go looking for their share of the money. Let's remember, that Jon Gosselin didn't walk away with a huge bank account, after the years that show was on & I don't believe the Gosselin kids will get any of the TLC money either. I think Jim Bob made the deal with TLC for that show & Kate made that deal with TLC, for their show.

Kiki said...

Oh my lanta. Looks like Derick gets home from Nepal and he and Jill... wait for it... FULLY HUG EACH OTHER. I hope Jim Bob & Michelle don't admonish them in the middle of the airport and force them to drop down and beg God for forgiveness. Methinks that Derick has some experience with women, yes hugging and kissing, and that he's already had his first kiss. We haven't had to listen to him & Jill brag about how their first kiss will be at the altar, probably because it won't be for him. And that is actually okay and normal! Jill is lucky to land a somewhat experienced man for a husband.

Beth Anne said...

Re: The guarding your heart is part of saving sex for marriage.

I get that point, but I don't like this mindset the Duggars have of "no chaperone = sex." There are thousands of dating couples out there that have time to themselves and do not have sex. I also agree with what many others have said about how odd it is that JimBob and Michelle go on and on about character training, but don't allow their adult children to put that "training" into practice. I think Jill and Derrick could be alone, one-on-one, and enjoy each other's company WITHOUT having sex. JimBob and Michelle did so. The rigidity just drives me nuts!

Zoey said...

I wonder why Jinger had to chaperone when bens sisters were clearly there.. ? They don't trust anyone who is not a duggar?

Anonymous said...

Has Derrick given Jill a diamond yet? Anyone know?

Anonymous said...

I watch this show as I would a train wreck....dont want to see it but cant help myself.

Im so fed up with the "kindergarten talk" from Michelle when she does interviews. Oh, and the way she says her "S's" is enough to make me poke my eye out.

And the Side hugs! What the heck???? The most blatant hypocrisy is the false statement they preach every episode/interview of letting God decide on the number of kids.

UGH!

Elvira said...

"I wonder why Jinger had to chaperone when bens sisters were clearly there.. ? They don't trust anyone who is not a duggar?"


It's almost a four hour drive to Hot Springs. Jessa couldn't possibly drive there alone. :)

Anonymous said...

Yes, Derick gave Jill a diamond back at the end of March when he proposed.

Anonymous said...

The dating of the 3 couples is more out of frienship rather than a lack of trust. My husband and I enjoy having a meal with our daugher and her finacee so I an see why the Duggars have made such plans.

Anonymous said...

I wonder just how much of this wedding planning and work is Michelle involved in, or is she letting everyone else do that work too. I guess she has the time to go to the high risk doc, soooo, my guess is the is outsourcing those wedding activities too, but be sure that she'll show up on the wedding day looking all the mother of the bride, like she did it all...

mythoughtis said...

The courtship rules that the Duggars are following seem to state that the woman's family are the preferred chaperones. At least that is what Michelle implied in her TH when she said this was their first girl courting and that Anna's family had supplied chaperones for Anna and Josh.

Leigh Ann said...

"I wonder why Jinger had to chaperone when bens sisters were clearly there.. ? They don't trust anyone who is not a duggar? "

Michelle or maybe Jim Bob said it's up to the girl's family to provide the chaperones. Whoever it was said this is their first daughter to court and when Josh and Anna were courting Anna's sisters chaperoned.

And in this case, as someone else pointed out, someone had to drive with them. They might detour off to Lover's Lane!

Anonymous said...

Re: Elvira's comment about Ben's house being 4 hours away...

Why couldn't Jessa's brother fly her over there? Certainly she could have drive herself.. she is a woman of 22; we have cell phones and AAA. It's not that far to go yourself. These girls can't do anything by themselves, so sad.

Leigh Ann said...

Oh, that's right, Ben wasn't with Jessa on the drive. I forgot. Anyway, it was said that the girl's family provides the chaperone. Which sounds to me like it's the girl's purity they're concerned with.

Willow said...

Speaking of the chaperone thing - Did anyone else notice that when JimBob and Jill left for Nepal, Jinger drove them to the airport and dropped them off. That would mean she would have to drive back home by herself. I think they left from the Fayetteville area, not Little Rock, but still. Is it o.k. now for them to drive a short distance alone? I didn't see anyone else with them.

Anonymous said...

If Jessa was my sister and I was Jinger, I'd let her do whatever the heck she wanted! Who would know?

Anonymous said...

Re: Leigh Ann's comments. Yes, the Keller girls did chaperone Josh & Anna, when they were in FL After they came home to AR, both the Duggar girls & boys chaperoned (remember they put names in a hat and drew for the chaperons.)I remember that Jana & John David, went out to dinner as chaperones & had that crazy waiter that wanted to come to the wedding. So, in that case, both families had a part in the chaperoning. Although, neither the Keller parents, or Duggars chaperoned.

Anonymous said...

I know the Dugars have said that it is up to the girls family to chaperone. But, if you watch old episodes the Duggars were definitely involved in chaperoning Josh & Anna, once they returned from FL. Some of Josh's sisters flew to FL & rode home to Arkansas, in the car with Josh & Anna.

Anonymous said...

Anna's sisters chaperoned while Josh & Anna were in FL. Then the Duggars did the chaperoning, when they returned to Duggar territory. Jinger was taking many pictures of the couple & we saw the sister go with them, when they went to see the house they were going to live in.

Jennifer Kerr said...

It has been a while but I thought Duggar kids chaperoned Josh and Anna when they were courting?

Anonymous said...

I can just imagine all of the ignorant/rude questions and comments DimBulb will make. He really should not be out in public until he grows up and gets a bit smarter. Michelle just giggles and talks in that Kindergarten voice. Of course, she talks like that for DimBulb so he can understand. His slave girls will be home working and the boys will be loafing around and playing.

Anonymous said...

I can see why men want to court Duggar slave girls but I predict the boys will have real trouble finding girls that want no birth control and to worship the ground they walk on. Should be interesting.

Anonymous said...

Jinger was not alone in the drive back from the airport.. you can see a little that one of the little girls went along too. So sad, that a young woman can't have a moment to herself..literally. The underlying distrust in this family is shameful. Yes, I remember also, that the Duggar girls chaperoned Josh and Anna at times also, they have such selective memories, to suit them. They really should get their act together and remain consistent. Shows how inane their "rules" are..

confused in Germany said...

I like the Name "Dim Bulb". :-) Says it all, doesn't it?
Personally, I think the reason, that he and M. do the chaperoning is, that it will be on camera. So they can hold their faces into the lenses and grin. It is been said/written here before, that both are very much interested in having camera-time and a lot of it. Somehow I think, that they wouldn't be wild about chaperoning, if it wasn't with cameras.
As to Jessa and Jinger going together: maybe, since those two are really close, Jessa thought she would be a nice support, since she (Jinger) would be the only one to really understand what it is like to grow up Duggar. It's just an idea. She could have flown with John, but maybe she gets air-sick? A lot of the Duggars do.

Anonymous said...

Re: the Duggar boys finding like minded girls who would want them:

Perhaps someone should match them up with Ben's sisters... those two look like they are dying for a "date".

tulip said...

No word on any even possible Duggar male courtships. John-david, "Jo", Josiah (who's supposedly the big "catch" of the family) Now, these guys are all still young. With Josh as an example they're just going to end up in the same boat anyway at only 26 years old w/ 3 "kiddos", walking around like one of the "elders" in mid-life, displaying his receding hair line & belly but wearing thrift, too tight Aeropostale polos & Raybans on weekends.

got2bdrc said...

When I was in high school, still living at home and dating, my parents sometimes often have me take a "chaperon" on day dates with new boyfriends--namely, my brother, who is 16 years younger than I! Having to take care of an infant really taught me the value of abstinence! Fortunately, I only dated young men who were respectful, but my father always pulled them aside for 'the talk'. I don't know what was said between them, but I do know no one ever brought me home after curfew or went farther than I wanted them too. I'm sure the Duggar kids are also capable of setting boundaries on dating behavior without being under their parents' eye all the time.

Anonymous said...

Derick is smarter than the others. He had the good sense to start the courtship while he was away getting a 2 and a half month jump on the clock, then wasted no time when he returned ending the courtship with an engagement where apparently the rules are less restrictive and then quickly setting the June wedding date so all of this Duggar stuff can end. Now if he will just unbrainwash Jill.

Anonymous said...

Jim Bob has stated that he has gotten to know Derrick on the phone over a year and a half and thought a lot of him that he suggested he and Jill "meet". Then, in the next sentence, he refers to Derrick as "this guy", and how he doesn't know him. Which is it? These idiots are so full of contradictions it's obvious to a first grader.

Anonymous said...

I would run if I were Ben. Jessa is cold as ice to him, and the way that JB, Smugger and the other boys grill him is not fair. I really think he loves Jessa, and she is irritated by him. I really feel sorry for him, he needs to find a nice girl who will appreciate him. I think this courtship is an act to get ratings. JB probably arranged it all for TV. I do think that Jill and Derick have a genuine love for each other, you can tell by the way they look at each other. He seems to respect her, and I hope he encourages her to continue her nursing education, maybe she will get to go to a real college.

Anonymous said...

A Parent with Children:
I am so happy to see that the girls have met two wonderful gentlemen. To Jim Bob and Michelle - First of all, for people who are so big on setting examples for their children, why is it that when you go on dates with the girls, you are kissing and doing things that you don't want them to do till they get married?? And if you are truthful about leaving the number of children you have to GOD, why are you looking into fertility??? Shame on you. You are tampering with God's decision. Michelle, you almost lost your life with giving birth to Josey. And poor Josey had a troublesome time for the first few years of her life.

auntliddy said...

Yes, anon, but Michelle is grooming her to be sweet and say sweet things. That was one of the stomach turning topics at the coffee trip. Then jessa says, Im learning, Im learning. Ugh!

Anonymous said...

Yea Jill! Give Derrick a real hug!

Allison said...

Just throwing this out there as an idea, but I sometimes wonder if the Duggar kids don't trust themselves. I think they have been taught that hormones in relationships make people crazy and I think they're probably afraid to be alone with someone of the opposite sex. Just the way Anna, and now Jill, talk about courtship makes me believe that they aren't be chaperoned because their parents are forcing them to. I think they actually believe they won't be able to handle it. I get the sense they want to be chaperoned. I mean, part of it yes is that their parents don't trust them and so the kids have basically been taught that they can't be trusted but under the guise of "protection" and "a higher standard." I think it's the reason why no one has rebelled. They truly believe what their parents have taught them about how "the rest of the world" does it. It's really sad, actually.

Anonymous said...

It's interesting that Jim Bob 'approved' Derick - his missionary work is in line, but Derick, looking at his educational background, seems 'progressive' compared to the Duggar ideal man.

I suppose time will tell, but I could see him and Jill holding off on kids, Derick encouraging Jill to get a solid degree, and/or go on a missionary trip overseas.

Speaking of education, I know what several of the Duggar girls 'claim' to be doing, but what does Jessa do? I know she supposedly is in charge of homeschooling (which, now that she's courting, who takes care of this?) but they never really mention her actively pursing a degree/career field. It seems like she plans to just fall in line.

Anonymous said...

These people make me sick. How in the hell could they afford a trip to Nepal? Also, WTF about Michelle going to a fertility clinic? Stop the insanity already. She has had a couple of duds and keeps on going.

Anonymous said...

Oh no! Are those two horndogs going to "make out" at the dinner table and try for coveted #20? Is that a dinner they would never forget? Hope I'm wrong; but that says something that I'm even worried about the behavior of those two middle aged people. I wonder if the Duggars can handle it when faced with using real cutlery and dishes that actually have to be washed.

Anonymous said...

I certainly hope that Jill wasn't made to feel "dirty and sinful" for giving Derrick an honest to goodness welcome home full frontal hug". Don't those people know that genuine affection doesn't always equate to sex? Did she have to do "extra penance" for that trollup display?

Anonymous said...

Some things that confuse me about this family:
Why is everything sexual in their minds?
Why do JBoob and mama act like pervs in front of their kids?
Why do they stare at the one who is talking rather than looking at the camera?
How does being in a courtship make the girls so preoccupied that they can no longer do Mama's housework?
Why do they not attend a real church?
...gosh, I could go on all day ...

Judy said...

I agree, the girls want to be chaperoned. They do believe that they can't trust themselves, and I think they think everyone is like their parents, running around having sex every second minute.

Mary P said...

Please can someone answer this question: What in the world "courtship" have to do with your normal household chores? Jinger said several times she is taking over some of Jessa's chores because she is "courtship" and this will also apply to Jill because she is also in a courtship with Derrick. In a non-gothard world, females have relationships and continue on with their day to day activities, household chores, employment, etc.

mythoughtis said...

Part of the reason that Jinger and Joy Anna are taking over chores is that they need to learn how to do them so that they can be done after Jill (and eventually Jessa) move out.... surely you don't think Michelle, Jim Bob or the boys will pick upp the slack? The other reason is that Jill and Jessa are 'allowed' to have an hour long conversation with their significant other nightly, they are also allowed out on dates. Presumably, they are also spending time doing something else that will 'encourage' their courtship... like reading how to books on 'showing your love for your spouse'.

Leigh Ann said...

When Jessa first started seeing Ben one of the girls noted she had to take over packing duties because Jessa is courting and her brain is just elsewhere. Or something to that effect. Maybe courtship means you can quit doing what should be your parents' jobs around the house. Jill is still continuing her studies and I'm sure Jessa is still doing whatever she does for herself. All they're not doing is jobs that shouldn't have been theirs to begin with. And since this means Jessa and Jill will soon be moving out someone has to take over their jobs and might as well start learning now.

I wonder how the younger kids are going to react to their buddies moving out. Josie and Jordyn may really feel abandoned. However, as long as Jana is around maybe they'll be OK.

Katie Mom said...

When Josh married Anna, the Duggars kept saying over & over again, that they were gaining a "daughter." However, when they attended Erin Bates wedding, Jim Bob kept kept saying, that as he watched Gill Bates give Erin away, he was thinking to himself, that will be me, giving away 9 daughters someday. They were gaining a daughter with Anna, but now with; Jessa & Jill courting (Jill now engaged.) All the Duggars are saying, is that they are losing a daughter. They don,t mention that they are gaining a "Son." Guess the Duggar daughters are more valuable than the men they are marrying

Anonymous said...

If entering a courtship is the way out of Duggarville slavedom for the girls, then I think they should get online and recruit every available boy they can find. They can just tell Dim Bulb that they are in love with someone they never met.

Anonymous said...

I would like to see Dim Bulb in a conversation with Ben's father or Derick's mother and step father. I would love to see how he handles himself around them. They must really laugh at all the side hug nonsense and rules of courtship. Jimmy Kimmel sure laughed.

Anonymous said...

You know it's true that they haven't showed JimBob and Michelle interacting with the prospective in-law parents one on one...from the Kellars on down to Derrick's family. That seems odd; but everything regarding these people is odd to say the least. I think that Michelle should have wanted to have dinner with Derrick's parents, ALONE, being that they are more local than the others were/are and maybe have some adult exchange..Doesn't Jim Bob want any good conversation and maybe act like adults? I guess I'm wishind for too much...

sandi said...

Anon,they don't attend a real curch b/c there are too many sinners in real church! They have home churched since at least the days of '14 kids and pregnant again' series began.And probably before that.

Beth Anne said...

Re: How does being in a courtship make the girls so preoccupied that they can no longer do Mama's housework?

Because it takes a really, really long time to draw hearts on your count-down calendar and write down your future married name in fancy cursive on a piece of paper a la some 12 year old with a crush. Mrs. Jessa Seewald, Ms. Seewald, Ben + Jessa, etc...

Yes, this whole family is in la la land.

Anonymous said...

Ben is like a love struck puppy. I wonder what will happen when reality hits him in the face and he finds out what Jessa is really like. After Marriage that is. Either Jessa crosses over to the lite fundie side or Ben adopts the Duggar men " I'm All That" mindset.

Anonymous said...

Daddy JimBob just hasn't found a girl yet for Johndavid give him time everybody it very hard to find slave girls

Anonymous said...

I agree that the chaperon rules are about purity, but maybe they're also about being able to prove purity. In the episode where Jill went to Nepal, she said something about having chaperons so that if there was ever a question, the couple would be able to say that all purity was maintained and there were chaperons who could attest to that. I get the sense it's more about keeping their own good name (and their family's!) in the whole Gothard world. If they didn't have this "accountability" before marriage, would they be "tainted" and would the whole family's reputation diminish because of what might have happened (even if nothing actually happened)? Also, if the courtship ends, they need to be "pure" for anyone else in that world to be interested in them. Just a thought....

Beth Anne said...

Regarding the chaperones being able to attest to someone's purity, I think you are correct, and I think the whole concept is quite sick. To me, the issue of purity should be between a person, his or her partner, and God. To think that some public declaration needs to be made or else the family's reputation would diminish tells me the Duggars and their ilk are highly concerned about how they "look" to other people and afraid of being out of the "cool" ATI group...like, are you as holy as a Duggar? A Bates?

Really, Jill knows who she is, and if she is at peace with her actions and choices and believes that God is fully aware of what's in her heart, what else should matter???

Anonymous said...

And poor Ben, who seems like a very polite young man and so do his parents. When he ate with the Duggars the first time, Jim Bob said, Let's all watch Ben eat. How ignorant and rude is that?

mom in texas said...

Jill and Derek full frontal hugged and they didn't explode or immediately go to hell. I hope the other kids see this and realize how ridiculous some of the courtship rules can be.

Anonymous said...

The multiple "side hugs" at the airport was the most awkward thing I have ever seen. And I am sure Jill paid for the full front hug for weeks on end. For a family that declares that purity is on their minds at all times, I find this soooo hypocritical that they are so ultra aware of body parts touching with something as innocent as a hug.....especially with their own children. I must be nutz for watching this show.

Leigh Ann said...

And besides all that, what are they going to be accused of? They're not going to be hanging out at any questionable places to begin with. Their friends all know what they're like and are capable of and who cares what anyone else says? They are perfectly capable of sneaking off together if they want to and they haven't (as far as anyone knows, anyway) because they do have self-control, even if their parents have convinced them they don't.

Allison said...

I find it really interesting how they pretty much glossed over the whole blood test results. They gave it like two minutes at the beginning of the show! And it was such a non-answer. They were like "Yep. Maybe." Which is how it's always been. Whatever. I don't think it'll happen so I don't think we should even entertain this topic anymore.

I thought the whole triple dinner was such a horrible set-up. Why can't they just go out to dinner? Why does it have to be an "event" for the show? I watch The Little Couple and nothing about that show feels as staged as this show. Everything they do feels like it's "material" for the show, not just normal stuff they would just do as a family.

BTW - did anyone catch that Ben called Jessa his girlfriend? After all those "special friend" comments I was glad to hear that. And of course, I loved that Derick admitted to enjoying the frontal hug. I think he's just doing this because he loves Jill and just wants to do what she's comfortable with. I don't think any of this is his idea.

The dinner theater was pretty cute, although clearly planned entirely with the goal of having Derick back for it because I don't know why it would have taken them 2+ months. And despite popular opinion on Jim Bob, it was sweet to see him teary-eyed over the boys' skit. I liked that.

Anonymous said...

At the end of tonights eipsode during the Michelle interview, she said she hopes for "relationships" and lots and lots of grandchildren. She should concentrate of the relationships with her 19 kids.......not more and more grandkids.......My Gosh!!!!

Courtney said...

Poor Jana and Jinger. Stuck home once again raising the little ones. While Jim Bob and Michelle go on some creepy date the courting crew.

courtney said...

OMG a full frontal hug! *gasps* Jill you naughty girl.

courtney said...

I don't know if 'ol JB really knows what he's getting into with Derrick here. This boy went a regular college , traveled and lived in the world on his own. When Jill and him marry he may just open up her mind to new and different things and other ways of life. Don't see JB and Michelle being too hapoy about that.

Anonymous said...

Good for Jill's full hug. Why didn't they just say, "tough luck" and continue to hug and maybe a peck on the cheek. I think JimBob and Michelle felt stupid about that happening. They hopefully realized what idiots they are about those things. Also, it was NOT a good idea for ALL of them to go to the airport. Derrick's brother and step-dad were completely overshadowed by the Duggars. After all, his own family hasn't seen him for 2 years. I don't think they appreciated the crowd overshadowing them. Also, Jill was acting like a kid about his arrival. She should have gone to the airport with her parents. He could have met the whole crowd later at their house when he had a chance to rest up. Not considerate of the D's as usual.. Jill still has so much growing up to do.
I think Jessa is trying to make due with her little boy of a boyfriend. She is taking Michelle's advice on showing him more enthusiasm, but it's not coming naturally from her, it's her mother's inane script.

Anonymous said...

My favorite part of the episode:

THE FULL FRONTAL HUG SECURITY ALARM AT THE AIRPORT!!!! Ahhhhhh!

Derick and Jill have great chemistry. Someone mentioned the side hug only idea isn't his, and I agree. I think they're cute.

Ben and Jessa are young-young-young. Jessa also is probably a lot more self conscious around the camera about something so personal...

Poor JoyAnna, can't get the little ones to listen to her. Not an authority figure to them, because she's their pal. I predict the littlest ones will have a hard time when the girls move out after the weddings....

Anonymous said...

Oh my God. What in the world was Michelle thinking, taking the couples out to dinner to learn etiquette? These are people that eat with plastic utensils & use styrofoam plates. Everyone was very nervous & uncomfortable. I really felt for Derick, especially, as he kept saying he had been in a country for 2 yrs, where they ate with their hands. I thought they were going out for a dinner to get to know each other better. Instead, nobody could act naturally, as they were on display with their manners. Michelle, this was not the time, or the place for this. She's just crzy.

auntliddy said...

I like the way Michele was so excited about the place settings when they went to the ettiquette dinner. Did you hear her? "Oooo, dishes! And glasses! And the cutlery! Oooo, the table looks so pretty!" Yeah, its called setting the table and using china instead of paper plated and eating all willy nilly.

Anonymous said...

What was in the wine glasses at the dinner theater? It looked like red wine, though I'm sure it wasn't. Why do they even own wine glasses if they don't drink wine? I'm surprised the dinner wasn't served on paper plates with styrofoam cups.

Anonymous said...

The side-hugging is odd for sure, but is just downright crazy weird that it applies to all family members, too. The emphasis put on family love and togetherness is a direct contradiction to their strict anti- physical contact rules.
I grew up in the same area, not to mention the same school as JB, and I assure you that this extreme family portrait is not the norm- even in Arkansas. Despite popular belief, not everyone here belongs to a cult disguised as Christianity.

paniemilia said...

Does anybody else get the impression that Jill's folks aren't too keen on Derrick? Jim Bob especially. Maybe it's because Derrick is so... Normal? His folks are divorced, he went to a state college and now has a "real" job. I wonder how this all sits with Jim Bob and Michelle.

Anonymous said...

Well, having seen the previews, I guess a number of us called it right. They will go all the way to Kleindfleds,in N.Y. to get their wedding dresses (you notice I didn't say buy the dresses) Sadly, they will then have them redo them, until they will eventually look homemade, or as they would say "modest." I hope Jill gets one with; puffy sleeves, the kind her Dad likes so much. That's what he wanted for Michelle & against the advise of all the sales people at Kleindfelds, that's exactly what Michelle got. I suppose they will be in N.Y. anyway to make the big announcement, about the wedding on the Today Show.

Gingr said...

Re: Jim Bob being teary-eyed over the boys skit. Jim Bob has always ben able to turn the tears on & off just as well as Michelle does. He turned them on practically non-stop when his dad died, as long as there was someone around to see him. He has also said some terrible thing about his dad.

Anonymous said...

I am sure there is not a lot to do in their part of Arkansas, but I would have been offended if my future mother-in-law took me to a dinner lesson on manners. This would have been most appropriate for pre-teens and teens but NOT for adults. Perhaps she can take Josie and the howlers and teach them not to lick the table and floor and their fingers....

Anonymous said...

Jessa should have told Joseph when he rudely was trying to pull Ben away from her in the kitchen, "I need him to help me with the pie, why don't you go teach yourself how to pack a suitcase and leave us alone." Instead, she lowered her eyes, said nothing and obeyed her brother as she has been trained to do. Makes me sick.

Anonymous said...

Jinger said "I bet that won't happen again" after the real hug in the airport.

To Jinger: I bet it will!

hello said...

Did Michelle really need to pick a place for their triple date to learn table manners? They use paper player and styrofoam cups at home.
While it was sweet of the kids to put together the dinner theater, it would be nice to see Jimboob and Michelle do something special for the older girls to show appreciation for all that they do.

Anonymous said...

It was fun (for me at least) to see some genuine enthusiasm from one of the Duggar girls (Jill). Her excitement about seeing Derrick really came through and I couldn't be anything but happy for her. Disgusting that the family had to comment about the full frontal hug. What's the big deal? And I enjoyed seeing Amy again. Unlike most posters, I like her.

Auntie Ann said...

What was Michelle thinking of setting up a dinner that revolved around teaching them good manners? You could tell they were all a nervous wreck about which fork to use. Poor Derick, even commented that,he had just come home from a country, where for two years the people he interacted with, ate with their hands. They should have gone to MacDonald's, where everyone could relax. The focus was on learning correct manners, not getting to know each other. Not to mention, that this is a family, that has never used good manner & probably won't start now. They are the ones that use paper plates, or styrofoam & plastic utensils. Sometimes, I don't know what goes through Michelle's head. My husband would have said,don't be ridiculous, lets just go somewhere where we can relax & get to know each other.

Missy said...

For God sake Michelle, get a grip about the hug. Nothing wrong with that hug, even if it was frontal. How any people were there to stop Jill & Derick, if they decided to go further with their emotions, right there on the floor of the airport? There is something seriously wrong, with anyone, who would make such a hugh issue, out of that hug. I can't believe anyone thought that went beyond the bounds of good taste. Also , if I remember correctly, they are both in their twenties. Again, it was a hug. The definition is; clasp tightly with affection & embrace.
On another note, they sure did get themselves together & ready & to get to the airport on time. I guess they actually do know, there is another time zone, other than "Duggar Time."

Tammy C said...

The best Duggar scandal-a FRONT hug.Derick said he enjoined it.I bet if the whole family was not there and only the chaperone there would have been a kiss. Smart guy to have a quick and short engagement.No more chaperones.

Londonbridges said...

While I think it is important to have proper table manners, etc. the entire Duggar clan needs to be taught how to behave and act. Sitting on counters, licking tables, counters, etc., standing on tables, chewing with mouth open...........just not acceptable behaviour. JMHO.

Anonymous said...

Ben's and Dericks Parents seemed very refined compared to Ma and Pa Dugger. Ya think Jchelle is feeling the inadequacy. Thus the etiquette lessons which were probably for her and Jboob more than they were for the girls and their beaus.

Anonymous said...

Ben is a horn dog. In the couples interviews he looks like he is zooming in on Jessa's lips and wants her to kiss him. Sorry Ben, " you can't do that yet," although something tells me that they have given each other little pecks when no one was looking.

tulip said...

Re: Allison's comment, all exactly what I was going to say. Notice how JB does in fact seem to get more emotional about his own kids then Michelle does. How kooky of Michelle to talk about Jill & Derick's "frontal" hug like it was a big no-no like a couple of toddlers that should have had to go stand in the corner, saying how it won't happen again...they have said time and time again the couple are ultimately the ones that supposedly decide the boundaries for themselves. Guess all the chaperones failed at keeping them accountable as there wasn't enough time to catch that big oops in time to pull them apart from temptation.

Tammy C said...

Was it just me or was Derick about to kiss Jill but knew enough not to.Actually her look was you better not kiss me because we agreed on not kissing until marriage.This was right about the end when it was just the two of them talking.

Sharla said...

https://www.facebook.com/swgessler1?fref=hovercard

Facebook page for the "etiquette lady."

Elspeth said...

It's getting frustrating to have to say over and over, Derick's father died. His parents were not divorced.

geistmadl said...

It killed me to see the big deal made out of the frontal hug. And Ben was an idiot when he ws talking about racing to the alter. Either it was staged or he was showing a horny spell. An now Jessa is saying he is sweet. Thanks Mama Duggar foe destroying the last bit of sass she had.

Willow said...

Michelle and JB got married and 17 and 19, right? Its easy to be critical of Jill and Derick, when they were never single into their early to mid-20's. They do not know what it would have been like. They just want to have such tight control. Surprise their children can breathe. Also, they did not have to experience being separated for 60 days or so after starting their courtship. I believe they have a cruel streak underneath, especially Michelle. JMO.

Wampascat said...

I hope Jill didn't get locked in the "prayer closet" for that hug.:-(

Anonymous said...

Just for the record, I prefer rumpled, bedroom eyes missionary-in-a-foreign-country Derick to cheap suit, I go to an evangelical church made of white cinderblocks and I'm-not-going-to-lay-a-hand-on- Jill Derick.

Anonymous said...

I like Jill & Derick very much, but must say the Duggars sure did get themselves to the airport in plenty of time for the plane's arrival. When you think of all the times, the Duggars have kept people waiting. People who have purchased their books & are attending a signing. They are always late, but they did get themselves together in plenty of time for the plane's arrival. Of course,it was the evening so that might play a part in it. We know they can never get up in the morning. in the morning. How many times have thet almost missed a plane when leaving on one of heir trips?

tulip said...

"And I enjoyed seeing Amy again. Unlike most posters, I like her."

I don't really think it's a question of liking her or not. Honestly IMO what I think it boils down to is more Duggar fame-hoarding that's just flat out annoying and so played. Just seems like anytime she's in an episode, it's for her own promo like sponging off the show to create more for herself. After the Duggars became "famous" it appeared she coincidentally stopped marketing herself as Amy Jordyn and started marketing herself as Amy Duggar. Her website at the time also boasted her as a "star" of the show (she had only been in a few and tagged along on a trip to Silver Dollar City) and the fun-loving, likeable cousin, blah, blah. A few seasons back when she was appearing more frequently on the show she was working on & getting ready to release a new album, all leading up to an episode of her own singing at the Grand Old Opry. Once again, coincidentally, her own special is about to air in a couple weeks. So seriously, why was it necessary she just happened to be in this latest episode? And just so happens to involve singing.

Mary said...

did anyone notice during john david's party. JimmBOO was talking and someone said John David would be going to that military school school. The same one Josh was sent to.. Where Josh was made to fall in line with JimmBoob thinking. in other words brainwashed.. No one those kids (bOy's) will leave the camp.. Where will the boys or even girls go. They have no education, they can't go to bathroom without permission.. I see all these children have sad lives. No way eith girl is in love. None of them know what love is. What they see from thier parents are dogs in heat. Thaat is not love. Jimboob see Michele as his sex partner or baby maker. He has no respect for her He really does not care about her he only sees her as his bed partner. I think he probably has a mistress someone when Michele is pregnant.Michele GOD does not want you to have anymore kids. Stop going to dr got make him give you one. Hey Josh How many kids do you really want. You wife looks like she is dead tired every day. Will this be your 5 or 6 prengnacy in how many years. you going for your 4 wait a few years or you be raising the kids alone. If you really love Anna give her a break.

Anonymous said...

In Duggar world if you are in a courtship yourself, does that automatically disqualify you from being a chaperone for a sibling. Wouldn't the joke be on Jimboob and MOTY if the kids made a pact and the chaperones actually leave the courting couple alone and hand-holding, hugging and kissing are actually occurring. Maybe the tell-all book yet to be written will spill the beans on what the chaperones actually did.

Anonymous said...

Is it possible the full frontal hug was staged to get media attention?

Who in their right mind goes to a high-risk pregnancy doctor when they are in their upper 40's, especially when they already have children. Oh, ya, I forgot, we are talking about the Duggars and can't use their name and "right mind" in the same sentence. I found this especially insulting to me and all the other many women who have cried themselves to sleep due to infertility issues.

Allison said...



Jessa should have told Joseph when he rudely was trying to pull Ben away from her in the kitchen, "I need him to help me with the pie, why don't you go teach yourself how to pack a suitcase and leave us alone." Instead, she lowered her eyes, said nothing and obeyed her brother as she has been trained to do. Makes me sick.

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Uh right, because Ben was really there to help with the pie... Please. I agree with the other poster, Ben is definitely such a teenage guy. He was just there to watch Jessa, and Joseph probably needed more older guys to help build the stage. You could tell Joe was giving him a hard time, that Jessa would still be there, like Ben was glued to her or something. I don't blame Joe for going in and breaking things up when clearly Ben was needed elsewhere, not gawking at Jessa.

Anonymous said...

I like Jill but I think she is too immature for marriage. She was really annoying in this episode. I think her and Derick are right for each other, but this is her first crush, her first everything and she is lusting after him, not truly in love. I am sure with the two of them it will develop into real love, but from what I have seen so far, she reminds me of myself when I had my first crush at 13/14. That is what concerns me about courtships in general; that people rush to get married just so they can experience the physical aspect. I don't mean sex, but simple things like pecking on the lips. I actually love Derick though. There is something about his personality that is really attractive, he seems like a genuine guy, and I don't see him and Jill continuing this super fundie life after marriage. I think that all of the Duggar kids are wonderful but their maturity and intelligence is hindered because of their parents' ignorance. I am so glad that Derick and Jill greeted each other with a frontal hug, rather than a side hug. I don't think it would've been appropriate after all that excitement and waiting to not show each other any emotion. Their hug was natural and no emotions were suppressed. Michelle and Jim Bob's comments about it "never happening again" were disgusting…their daughter is 23 for God's sake!!!! Josh and Anna didn't exchange a frontal hug after they got ENGAGED…that was horrifying to watch. I think Derick is genuinely a very religious guy, but I don't think he would have the same "courtship rules" if it wasn't for Jill. I wonder if he's already front hugged and kissed other girls in his past? Note on Amy: I know a lot of people on here dislike her, and while I think she is a bit "fame-thirsty" and can be annoying, I don't mind her. She is good with the kids and she is refreshing to see. Who else thinks that Johannah is a BEAUTIFUL little girl? I think she will be gorgeous. I mean, she's only what? 10? And it looks like she will be a stunning teenager. I can see the younger kids "rebelling" and kissing before marriage and whatnot. Jim Bob and Michelle will be nearing 60 when they are ready to court and they will not have the same energy as they do now with the current couples. Who else noticed that when Ben came to hug Jessa Jill basically told them to move away after a few seconds?….weird. I think Ben and Jessa are sweet. They have been taking their time and you can really see how they have grown together over the past few months. I think they are developing a genuine love for one another…and it doesn't seem as immature and childish on Jessa's part the way Jill comes across. Michelle always has to do something "extra" and stupid. If she wanted the couples to get to know each other, it would have been more effective to go out to a casual restaurant, not etiquette school. The focus turned to manners, not getting to know each other. I'm not sure if that was just Michelle being an idiot, or if it was all for the show. Is it just me or is Jim Bob more of an ass to Ben than Derick? Maybe it's because he is a lot younger, but he is really testing him and always making "joking" jabs at him. The restaurant scene between Ben and Jess was so cute…it looks like they really have fun together and joke around. Ben looks like he is DYING to hug and kiss Jessa hahaha! He is warming up to the cameras and I actually think he is a really cute boy and I wish nothing but the best for him and Jessa! It was cool to see him in the kitchen helping Jessa and not leaving her to do her "woman duties" alone. The kids did a great job with the dinner theatre. It actually seemed genuine and not like it was set up for the show. Michelle and Jim Bob looked surprised and like they were actually happy and enjoying their kids for once.

Ginger said...

You know , Mary, I have always thought that Jim Bob had someone on the side.It's probably someone who wears slacks or jeans, perhaps a bathing suit & has very short hair. Wouldn't surprise me at all. Strangely, my husband has also said the same thing.

Dar said...

These four young people are walking hormones. I don't know if it is love, but there sure is a lot of lust going around. Derrick seems to be so much more mature than Ben, but I think Ben is cute. If either one were my son, I would certainly not appreciate JimBob making fun of him on National television. It also think is was a bit insulting for Michelle taking them to learn some manners. Her own kids eat from paper plates, but there are a lot of people in the rest of the world who actually sit down to real dishes and table settings. if you want to learn about someone, you go to a quiet place and maybe discuss what is going on in the world and hear their thoughts and opinions on events. I guess that is not possible with her offspring because all they know is what they are taught by Michelle and JimBob. Michelle's time on camera is growing more aggravating. She really does not want anyone else getting more attention than she. Her inane comments and little girl voice is grating. When they were leaving for the dinner, she again ignored Jordyn. I don't know if anyone noticed, but when they were building the stage, Jordyn was hitting Derrick. When the little ones were on camera, didn't Josie say they were going to tie Jill up and not let her marry him? I'm pretty sure I heard that. They are going to feel such abandonment when the girls leave. Michelle will still be going around saying, "if it's God's will, we would welcome another one." At the same time, failing to see the little ones in front of her. The dinner theater was kind of cute, but when you look at all that potential going to waste, it is just a crime. They are all good-looking children. They all seem quite bright, in spite of limited formal education. Most of them seem athletic. Some of them have expressed interest in careers, yet their parents keep them isolated and hanging around the house. So very sad. I hope they all seek courtship soon. When they get out and see the rest of the world is not as bad as they thought, you never know what might happen. I think Michelle and JimBob have a lot to answer for in the long run. In my view, those four youngest girls will not be as easily smothered as the older ones. You can see the determination now. One can only hope. JMHO

Stephanie said...

This is not the first time Joseph has acted a little rude. It is comical to think the Joseph thinks he is a scary, intimidating brother to his sisters boyfriends. When Dan the reporter came and tried to run the lawn mower, Joseph was very sarcastic and rude because Dan did not know how to work the lawn mower. Joseph needs to check himself. Jessa should have gotteb rid of him. Ben seemed VERY irritated at Joseph.

Stephanie said...

One more thing, did Ben go to public high school?
He is a very good looking young man and I feel like he has kissed a girl before.
If you notice they say "Our first kiss is for marriage" we have not heard Derrick or Ben say it will personally be the first time they have kissed a girl.
Honestly, at 25 years old I HOPE Derrick has kissed a girl. Its almost embarassing if he HASN'T kissed a girl.

Anonymous said...

I agree it wasn't necessary for the whole Duggar clan to be at the airport. Derick's brother & step-dad were there. It would have been enough for him to meet the rest of the family later back at the house. They could have had a nice little reception there with his family & some food. I notice they aren't very generous with the food unless it "tatertot casserole." They could have had some sandwiches & desserts

Katie''s Mom said...

For God's sake what's wrong with the Duggars? According, to the date I saw, Jill's birthdate is 5/17/91. That make her 23 yrs old. Her own mother was only 17yrs old, when she married(does she think she made a mistake?) & they are appalled by a full hug. Derick should have grabbed her & kissed her. Michelle & Jim Bob, don't even see them as adults, except when they need the girls to run the house & do the childcare. When I think of all the work, those girls did when they were in Little Rock, when Josie was born, they were in charge of everything. Now, their parents don't see them as adults. They can't have a real hug & kiss at 23. Although, that flower in Jill's hair didn't do anything to make her look like an adult. Also, the Duggars would do much better, at getting places on time if Michelle helped dress the little ones. All she does, is talk about how difficult it is to get everyone ready. Well pitch in & help lady.
On another note, I can already see which mother will look better, and I mean much better at the wedding. Derick's mom is quite stylish. And yes, Derick's brother & step-dad were really pushed in the back at the airport, so the entire Duggar clan could take center stage.

Anonymous said...

Michelle, Michelle ,,your kids don't know table manners Michelle what have you beeen doing all this time ,and i loved the frontal hug that Derrick and Jill had I hope they keep it going Michelle your a sad women that said that will never happen again want happens when they marry can they have a frontal hugg or not , and the way Ben looks at Jessa its lust nothing but lust he wants so bad to kiss her and frontal hug

Anonymous said...

Ben was there to get to know Jessa. They are courting. He only sees her on weekends. There were plenty of able-bodied older boys around to help with the stage. Joseph was interfering with his sister's relationship with Ben and wanted to show everyone he was in control---just like his daddy taught him.

Wrigley said...

Derick's response to the full frontal hug...."I enjoyed it." There you have it...and I'm so glad he expressed his opinion that way. Maybe there's hope for Jill yet!

Anonymous said...

Did nobody notice Derick's mom's comment to him at the airport? She said, almost annoyed, that she hoped they (Jill and Derick) would be able to talk. I think she's over the Duggar rules and probably thinks her grown up son should be able to have a grown up relationship.

Anonymous said...

I agree with "Katie's mom". I think that it is Jim Bob and Michelle who should do something special for each child. It is the kids who do everything for the parents..why are these kids so fooled? Michelle has some racket going on there, an adoring, sex obsessed husband she can control, and live in house maids, nannies, and sons to do the yardwork and fix everything, take care of the cars, wash them, service them for her. What does Jim Bob do other than attempt to impregnate Michelle? At lease that's his jurisdiction... I still don't have any idea what MOTY does....if anyone knows, please let me know..

Anonymous said...

I remember well, when Josh & Anna got engaged & went on the Today Show to announce it. At that time, they both agreed, that they were not out to break any record, when it came to the number of children. They felt 2 or 3 kids would be a fine size family for them. What happened? They seem to be popping them out as fast as the SR Duggar's ever did. Someday, they are going to realize, that children take both time & money. Once, the TLC train leaves the station, & FRC realizes he not exactly the genius they thought he was, it will be over for them. Then they will be stuck with a house full of kids & no health insurance, or dental. They'll have to go on welfare. You'll never see Jim Bob open his wallet, to help out his own kids or grandkids. Josh will be wondering around muttering; "where's the money?" In reference to the TLC money

Leigh Ann said...

Derick's mom probably wonders what kind of a circus he's marrying into. You'd like to think the whole mob showed up at the airport just because of the show but you know they would have done it, anyway.

Ginger said...

I think it will be very interesting to see how the marriage of Derick & Jill plays out. I can't see them living in the house, that Josh & Anna lived in, or really anywhere very close to the Duggar compound. On the other hand, although Jill knows & should expect her life to change big time, after they are married, I wonder what she really expects? I'm sure Derick, will be going off to his job daily, keeping regular working hours. Will Jill continue with her midwifery training? I'm not too sure that Derick will be wanting a baby on a yearly basis. He has been out in the world & knows about the economy etc. Although of course, we haven't heard them discuss this, I think he's the type of guy that will want to make a life on his own. He probably plans on supporting his wife without Jim Bob's help, or interference. Whatever way you see it.Josh had plenty of help from Jim Bob, but I believe they paid dearly for that, by having to stay on the compound, work at what JimBob wanted him to work at & of course continually provided grandchildren. Not only will life be very different for Jill, I really don't think, JimBob has any idea what he's up against with Derick. I think Derick is a wonderful young man, who will really treat Jill well, but Jim Bob is no match for him intellectually. Jim Bob may be shrewd, but he not intelligent. Derick, has not yet shown us how smart he is, because he's smart enough to wait for Jim Bob's "blessing."

Anonymous said...

Yeah, your courting adult daughter cant hold hands and your engaged adult daughter cant front hug her fiance' but the patents can hump in the miniature golf course.insane and perverted.

Anonymous said...

If i was a duggar daughter i would lock myself in one of the prayer closets

Londonbridges said...

Michelle's etiquette lesson/dinner was an insult to the parents of their future sons-in-law. As if these parents didn't teach their sons the basic manners. As we have seen ad nauseum, the Duggar blessings have deplorable manners and behaviour. If she truly wanted to learn more about these young men, she should have booked a casual, comfortable dining facility. Obviously, this was not her intent. Thanks again for encouraging the viewers. JMHO.

Anonymous said...

I felt so awful for Jill. They couldn't just be happy that her boyfriend (or whatever you call your courting partner) is home, they had to comment on how she forgot to "side hug". It was a happy hug! I doubt he was thinking about what parts of her body he could feel through this clothes.

Beth Anne said...

Re: JimBob has any idea what he's up against with Derick.

I totally agree. I think Derick is a solid young man with a good heart and high level of both compassion and intelligence. My fear, however, is where Jill's loyalties would be, should there be conflict between Derick and her father. She seems to be such a daddy's girl who sees JimBob as the wisest man in the world, and I'm concerned she would take her dad's side. She's not emotionally or intellectually mature enough to evaluate things on her own.

I know the Duggars advocate this idea of the transfer of authority from dad to husband upon a daughter's marriage, but I can see Jill getting freaked out if Derick isn't leading them in a direction daddy likes.

Jessa, on the other hand, probably won't give a crap about what either JimBob or Ben says - ha ha!

Jac&Jil said...

Ditto to what everyone has said so far. Jill has so much growing up to do. I wonder how she will feel when she interacts with Derick's friends, male and female. The men and women most likely will have college degrees and careers, along with marriage. It's kind of easy to feel intimidated when you're up against that.

I'm sure Jill and Derick's wedding will be a TLC special. When it comes to signing a contract for that special, I hope Derick stands up for himself and Jill, and asks for a separate contract. He is after all an accountant and know about money. If he does that, good for Derick and Jill.

I thought it was strange when Jana said they were having the dinner theater so all the kids could be together. If I'm not mistaken, with the exception of Josh, don't all 20 live in the same house (21 including Mary Duggar)? I think they see each other all the time.

Again, we have the girls cooking, making pies, and all that hair! That is such an "ick" factor. And finally, why must Jim Bob and Michelle refer to each other as "momma" and "daddy." So creepy.

Anonymous said...

I'm assuming it's because he probably didn't have a cell phone while overseas so he was using his mom's to communicate with Jill. Especially because they both have iPhones and can text over wifi.

Missy said...

I agree with anonymous,that
the etiquette lessons were a major insult to those 2 young men. Michelle, knew absolutely nothing about Derick, except for what she saw skyping. He might be the most polite, well mannered man to ever cross over the threshold of the Duggar home. As far, as Ben goes, although he's young, he also might be very polite & know about good manners. I can't believe that woman with all those "howerls," in her own home; eating with their hands, putting their hands in the food that is being prepared, never washing their hands,crawling all over the counters,especially when they were still in diapers, with their feet as black as coal, due to no bathing, licking food off the kitchen counters. I could go on & on & still forget many things. My two children (now adults) never left the dinner table, without asking; "may I please be excused?". My daughters future mother-in-law was so impressed with a young woman with such "good manners," she was secretly hoping she'd be the one for her son. Of course, she was also well educated & had a good job, but believe me good etiquette went a long way, in helping her husband in his career as an officer in the Military. I'm pleased that my son has also maintained his good manners & follows proper etiquette. My main point in this is, that my children learned these manners & rules of etiquette, in our home. No future in-laws, ever had to take them out, for lessons on how to behave. They learned it in my home.

Anonymous said...

I thought when I heard that the 3 couples were going out to dinner (which I thought was ridiculous, anyway)That they could all get to know each other. I'm sure, Derick had many interesting stories about his time in Nepal. I also think, Ben could contribute to the conversation & hold his own. But what an insult to Derick, Ben, Jill & Jessa. Did we miss somewhere that those young men had been raised by their families to eat of paper plates, use styrofoam cups, & plastic

Elvira said...

I have to give the Duggars a bit of a pass on the "etiquette" dinner. I fully believe it was production driven. Somehow they needed a few more minutes to pad out the episode. Surely they could have gotten a little more out of the meeting at the airport.

Leigh Ann said...

On Josh and Anna and number of kids: On the episode where Jim Bob and Josh went to see the doctor for physicals and Michelle and Anna were there the doctor said something about what would happen in a few years if Josh didn't do something now. Anna said "in five years we'll have six or seven kids, we can't have a health crisis". I don't remember the exact number of years or kids but it was about a baby a year.

hello said...

I thought it was ridiculous that the whole Duggars family had to go meet Derrick at the airport. Jimboob and Michelle always find a way to make everything about them. There is no reason why Jill couldn't have gone with one of her sisters. I wonder how Derrick's family really feels about him joining the Duggars circus. I wonder what they will think about their wedding being filmed for the show and quite possibly the birth of their first baby. I can already hear Jimboob going on about how they saved their first kiss for when they got married.

Anonymous said...

ReJac&Amp;Jill' comment. All the kids including Jana, made reference to the fact that things are "changing" & before any of the sisters leave to get married they wanted to do something really special, that everyone could be involved in, to show their appreciation (gag) to their parents, for all thy have done for them. Or to put it in their words; "all our parents have invested in us." It apparently was a sort of thank you & farewell, due to the older girls. courting & getting married. I have to say again, that Jim Bob is an expert in turning the water works on, the same way Michelle does, although she pretty much held off with the tears & even seemed embarrassed by Jim Bob's tears. He always has the handkerchief ready & makes comments to Michelle; "Momma, we've really raised children with such wonderful character qualities. They really appreciate us."

Rudy Tecat said...

I can just imagine JB taking Derick aside at the airport and telling him that since he front-hugged Jill, he better marry her, and pronto!

Anonymous said...

Derick's family was completely overshadowed and bowled over by the Duggars at the airport...so disrespectful of them, again! His parents were visibly annoyed IMO, as I would have been also if it were my son returning after 2 years away. I agree with the posters that Jill has all her growing up to still do and I wonder also how she will react to Derick's lifestyle and friends if they don't completely agree with her family's. Yes, she will have loyalty issues from the start, but she is programmed to "follow the man in charge", and that will be Derick; hopefully they have had time to discuss day to day living, like the fact that HE has a real job to go to at 8am, EVERY DAY, 40 hrs a week, every week; something that is totally alien to her...he needs her to meet his timetable and scheduld if she will be at home, cooking and cleaning for him. After the "giddy 14 yr old lust/crush" passes, how will she feel about the decision she made? Will her parents point out to her that she isn't totint the party line so closely any more and that they are disappointed in her lifestyle? Jessa and Ben: Still don't buy them at all.. Jessa still looks like she's trying hard to "soften up" for Ben. "You can't bend the tree branch the other way forever". It's NOT her style, nor is her style Ben's. He's too young and not prepared yet for life, and she is beyond him in "requirements", hairspray, makeup, "whatever" is her favorite word.. Screwed up people from the get go.

Anonymous said...

Leigh Ann, I remember that interview too. Yes, you are right. Anna fully expects her life to be perfect with Josh, as they are following Gothard/God's rules perfectly. What an idiot she is. Of course, they are lining up the cribs already. I hope they both are fine in life, but hey, Anna, you're setting yourself up for failure right there, baby!
I remember that interview and I shook my head..how immature Anna still is.

Anonymous said...

That Michelle is one sick broad. I am a mother of teenage girls and I look forward to the day when they fall in genuine love and front hug who they are in love with! That is a sign of a healthy relationship. Not everyone goes from hugs to the bed. I didn't. I think that Michelle is worst than Jim Bob. I saw jealousy in her when Jill and Derick hugged, not motherly love and concern. Glad she's not my mother.

Ginger said...

I thought it was a disgrace that comments were made, by the Duggars about Jill & Derick's hug at the airport. I'm glad Derick said he enjoyed it & I wish Jill had said the same. I wish they had kissed. For God's sake, there were all kinds of people around. What in the world did the Duggars think would happen?. Also a disgrace, was the way Dericks family was treated, as if they didn't exist. It was all the Duggar horse & pony show.

sandi said...

Re: Jessa and Ben,in a few years,I can see Michelle telling Jessa,like she did with Josie,that the world does not revolve around Jessa.I think that is how she will deal with any differences that may come up in the marriage,or the lifestyle they may choose.IOW -keep cranking out the baybeez for the greater good of the world,girl,cuz it does not revolve around you.jmo.

Anonymous said...

I have a son that's single & if he ever started to "court", one of the Duggar girls, I'd either have him committed or have myself commited & save myself from being associated with the Duggar circus someday down the line.

Anonymous said...

" Anonymous Anonymous said...
I have a son that's single & if he ever started to "court", one of the Duggar girls, I'd either have him committed or have myself commited & save myself from being associated with the Duggar circus someday down the line.
"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA-omg THANKS FOR THE LAUGH. My Keyboard took a Pepsi hit when I read your comment.

Anonymous said...

The Famy thing was a set up. The kids were singing Jesus loves me at Jubilee's funeral. It's obviously a song they all know. It just made Joy look inadequate.

Missy said...

Today, there were a number of repeats of Duggar episodes. Since I'm confined to the house due to surgery, I watched a couple of them. When I saw Derick,in the jewelry store in Nepal, looking for a necklace for Jill, I think my heart melted for him. He carefully drew a picture of what he was thinking of, & then looked over the stones. I thought what a thoughtful & kind young man. I'm sure, he really loves Jill & they will be a wonderful match. Then, they showed the episode, when he came home from Nepal, & the family was waiting for him at the airport. Of course, he& Jill had the totally uncalled for,and indecent; "frontal hug." When Michelle said, during the talking head moment, that they were caught off guard, & she was sure that wasn't their intention & she's sure that won't happen again. It was enough to make you sick. What kind of mother is she? Who doesn't want to see their daughter so happy in love & apparently loved by a very wonderful young man. I think Michelle is mentally ill. This is not a teen age girl, she's a 23 year old woman. This is a time in the lives of these two young people that they should be so happy & excited to see each other, & just run into each others arms. Never thought it would come to this for me, but finally ....words fail me!

Katie's Mom said...

Re: The kids singing "Jesus Love Me". Can't even begin to count the number of times they have sung that hymn.

Anonymous said...

I think the signs at the airport, including Jill's were childish.
It wasn't appropriate for her to include the younger set of siblings at the airport, way too many of them.
Jill was raised,er,trained to to everything with the family....I wonder if she will want the whole clan with her on her wedding night? She's a nice girl, but still so young emotionally, like a 14 yr old. This belief system cloisters young people from their peers, encourages quick weddings which leads them to marry someone forever when still in that infatuated stage...the real "you" comes out in time, after events, experience and being alone together. Maturity is needed for such a decision, ie with experience.

beef said...

Jim Bob has NO eyebrows. How did I never notice that before this episode!?

No Kool-Aid for Me said...

I had to laugh on the "couples night out to the fancy restaurant"...I hope Michelle took notice of the lack of use of plastic, and also I hope she noticed food that wasn't all out of a can. I guess tater tot concoction and canned green beans do go best with plastic throw away dishes along with their own style kool-aid served in whaat...toss away cups. For people that buy used and save the difference---or so they say.. this is not a saving and harmful to our planet. Of course on the other hand i do feel for all the kids on kitchen duty. Seems all these kids do is their parents work (more so the girls) michelle just likes having babies and nursing then out they gooo. NOT FAIR....RUN GIRLS RUN. Michelle do your own dirty work allll of it.

kate spade said...

I didn't think a thing about the triple date. I am sure the producers put them up to it!!