Free Discussion, September, 2015

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Stella said...



Same message on Ben's and Jessa's Facebook and IG

https://www.facebook.com/benL4CSeewald


The Passions That Prevent Adultery


In three minutes, John Piper explains how God cures our heart’s broken desires for sin. When the Bible calls us to live like Christ, it doesn’t merely give us a set of commands. It presents us with something compelling and captivating that changes our minds, and then our hearts. The gospel convinces us of something irresistibly true, and then transforms our desires for something new. That conviction and passion keeps us out of bed with someone who’s not our spouse and rejects a thousand other temptations."

Rest of article/video:

http://www.desiringgod.org/articles/the-passions-that-prevent-adultery

TotallyANanny said...

I've been reading a book on the Quiverfull religion, and I had a thought about Josh Duggar. While I don't believe that there is a good excuse why he cheated, nor do I believe that what he did as a teenager was appropriate in and way, there may be a reason he felt like he needed someone else.

In the book, they talk about how in the Quiverfull religion, sex is only for procreation. They say if you have a medical reason you can't have kids, you shouldn't be married (actually, it said you should only marry Jesus). If this is true, that means that while Anna has been pregnant, Josh can't have sex with her because it's not for procreation. He had only started to realize proper adult sexuality at marriage (or at least we hope) and to have that taken away probably didn't help someone who was already struggling with what is ok and what isn't.

Elspeth said...

Regarding quiverfull, it isn't a religion. It's like an adjunct belief to various Christian sects. It isn't a denomination even, much less an entire religion.

Second, the Duggars don't fully subscribe to all quiverfull beliefs and go so far as to say that they aren't adherents. Nothing in any of their behavior, speaking, or writing indicates that they believe that sexual intercourse in marriage is solely for procreation.

Pam said...

Right Elspeth in fact Michelle days you should always be available for your husband when he wants it.

KitKath1024 said...

This "Ben and Jessa Quest for Attention" is totally disgusting. Could it BE more obvious that they want nothing more than to be on television? This pregnancy is simply for attention, nothing more. They don't really care about this fetus--didn't you see how bizarrely and coldly she acted toward her family members? She doesn't care about anything but doing her hair and makeup and making a Bieber-esque smirk when posing for a selfie, and then loving the "I LOVE you hair..you're SO gorgeous...we'll ALWAYS support you!" comments on her pathetic social media. There is barely a normal emotion with ANY of them, but Jessa, especially, got a lovely blend of narcissistic sociopathic personality disorder from her father, and a cold, unemotional disconnected disposition from her mother, all with a twist of idiocy from both. I love how she suddenly feigned happiness and warmth when they were featuring her wedding. She knew (or was coached) to gush over Ben, even though she simply doesn't know how to truly love. It was really uncomfortable to watch. She could rarely get it out: "I'm...marrying...my...BEST FRIEND (cue awkward smile)!" It's just sad. But, when your parents have sold you out to television from a young age, I guess you don't develop a normal moral compass. Even as the scandals rocked the family (can't believe it wasn't sooner) they STILL wanted to go back on television. Wouldn't a normal human being think "you know, this public living isn't too healthy for us...let's retreat for a bit." Simply sick. I am so glad this is happening; underneath it all, American society DOES know the difference between right and wrong, and the truth always reveals itself.

Anna is not responsible for Josh's sins said...


Josh has not been seen at the rehab program he is supposedly at:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3218507/Josh-Duggar-missing-mandatory-church-services-Christian-rehab-facility-mystery-shamed-reality-star-s-whereabouts-deepens.html

Anna is not responsible for Josh's sins said...

Jessa slammed by attendees of conference:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3217800/Jessa-Duggar-slammed-attendees-Southern-Women-announced-featured-speaker.html

Dee said...

Re: Anna is not responsible for Josh's sin's posting of the 'Josh missing mandatory church services, etc.

Here's my conspiracy theory on this: I don't think Josh was ever there. I think the Duggar plane being seen was a red herring.
I'm willing to bet that Jim Bob has Josh and Anna squirreled away somewhere, perhaps with some 'church elders' and they are attempting to 'lay down the law' and pray Josh's sins away.
It's interesting to me how people who are so into laying their entire lives out for people to see can be so isolated about something so high profile.
I still don't think they are even close to acknowledging the dept of Josh's problems.
Just pour some God on it and it will be forgiven.

Cedric said...

Not surprised Jessa slammed by attendees at the conference. Jessa is well too stupid to learn long ago most people have figured her out. Anytime this clueless girl opens her mouth about any subject she always priojects inaccurate & uninformed rhetoric. Is Jessa so dim that she doesn't realize people just don't like her. I guess at 7 months pregnant, Jessa should display the fact that she's pregnant to billboards throughout every major city within the USA! Perhaps that will make Jessa's day a happy one. Hmmm.

Ellyn said...

Perhaps Josh was able to bolt from this rehab in Illinois & continue his porn habit. These Dumb Duggars are so not clever in any form or capacity.

KimmieH said...

So Josh has gone missing. Maybe into the arms of one if the women with who he was sleeping? My guess is that Josh may want to completely part ways from all of the Duggars, Anna & his children. Not much hope for this guy.

Ellyn said...

Jessa is an idiot.

cat said...

I agree with all I have read on here. I dont believe Josh is at any facility, sex addiction and seeking treatment is what some people come up with to make people feel sorry for them and try and get them off the hook.

duct tape Jim Bob's mouth said...

I am very leery that Josh is anywhere but I'm hiding. The family has already shown they will do anything to protect him He should not suffer it is always the woman's fault. I do wish Anna's brother would go get her and get her some real counseling.

Duct tape Jim Bob's mouth said...

I am not sure they are capable of ever admitting the extent of Josh's problems.

Jessa I just can not grasp how clueless she is. I hope the conference cancels her as she should not be traveling that late in pregnancy. She certainly will not ask a doctor what is best. She and hubby seem desperate to find a way back onto TV.

Seriously?? said...

And if Josh did pay that porn star $1500 for sex, I am pretty sure he could spend the $$$ on a pack of condoms to use on his wife for protection against pregnancy. This excuse he sought an affair because of fear of having more kids is absurd!! He sure seems 'worldly' to me.

Chloe said...

Re Josh Duggar in the Bible based rehab facility, it seems Jim Bob & Michelle have taken the Sin of Lying to a new level. Perhaps Telling Lies is the new Sport of Choice for Jim Bob & Michelke. These Duggars continue to spiral down further & further each day. Do you think the Duggars are now aware they will never again be given a reality program?

Wendy Heusel said...

anyone see dillard update on duggar blog. now they are asking for money there. why should i give these people money. sorry no way.

Judy said...

Well, Jim Bob and Michelle's definition of rehab is very different than those in mainstream society. Josh's rehab could be more house building and praying. It could be living at home with one of their church people coming in every day to see him.

As for Jessa, she's 22 -- so young, and of course she thinks she knows it all. People at 22 often do. But the brain is not done developing yet, and she is likely to look back at this time on her life and wonder about it. Then again, maybe not.

Anna is not responsible for Josh's sins said...

Jessa is slammed even worse here:


https://www.rawstory.com/2015/08/jessa-duggar-sparks-furious-backlash-after-shes-booked-to-speak-at-southern-womens-event/

Syndee said...

"So Josh has gone missing. Maybe into the arms of one if the women with who he was sleeping? My guess is that Josh may want to completely part ways from all of the Duggars, Anna & his children. Not much hope for this guy. "

Actually this sounds like the best possible outcome. He should part ways with the duggars, it would probably be the only hope for him. Can he really do anything for Anna at this point anyway? Their relationship would be a sham, it would be more humane of him to let her free. Her brother is the only one who can save her.

As creepy as he is, he should just say, look, this is me. and admit he likes porn stars and porn, and he doesn't want to live that goofy lifestyle any longer. He would encourage the brother to go get Anna, and declare any financial support for her that he could manage. That would be much better than brushing it under the rug yet again, avoiding acknowledging it and all the things he's done, and just play pretend with the family and Anna back at the JB compound, after six months at the "treatment center" which sounds just like prison. He's probably thinking, I should have just gone to prison in the first place, it can't be as bad as that RU.

Never said...

I firmly believe that the Diggars feel they have said and done all the right things in this situation. They have even sacrificed Joshie to a treatment center that he seems to have gotten lost trying to get their. I believe Jim Bob and dingle head feel the rest of us are being naive and ruthless in the fact we just do not want them on TV. I fear for all their children. Between the lack of education and lack of any type of open mindedness they are forever stuck in the nasty indie cycle. I have always thought the older boys were creepy. All the "" ha has" we have to see if this guy is good enough for our sister is very disturbing. How would they know? They are all Jim Bob's robots. All the fake no paying jobs.

Leigh Ann said...

Did anyone see this? I read it waiting in line at the grocery store. If any of that is true Josh is just downright dangerous. http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/danica-dillon-reveals-new-shocking-details-of-her-terrifying-and-rough-sexual-encounters-with-josh-duggar-68394

Leigh Ann said...

The story I saw on In Touch about the "rehab" just said that Josh wasn't seen in church. I wonder if, given that he's a public figure, they had him watch the service on a video monitor somewhere, rather than be a distraction. Of course everyone would have their eyes peeled for him so he'd be a distraction whether he was there or not. But I could certainly see the program and church people wanting to keep him out of the public eye for awhile.

Stella said...

Jessa (Duggar) Seewald Publicly Turns Her Back on Brother Josh – Is a Family Feud Brewing?

Jessa (Duggar) Seewald is publicly breaking ranks with her brother Josh Duggar for the first time since multiple scandals have hit the embattled reality star.


Link to article:

http://www.people.com/article/jessa-duggar-seewald-turns-back-josh-duggar

Katie's Mom said...

I saw a repeat of "Breaking the Silence," tonight. The fact that Michelle, Jill & Jessa, were included in that documentary was just plain insanity. Michelle never stepped up to the plate and said that sadly, she had to deal with a child that was a molester. She never mentioned what she & Jim Bob did about it, or what actually occurred with the victims or the molester living in their home. All Jessa could talk about was babies, & Jill said she would "try," to be aware in her family. Everyone else there that spoke, told how this abuse has affected them for their entire lives. They had backgrounds as victims & told all the viewers how to explain to little ones about good & bad touching. Also the Dr. had excellent advice on how to let the victim know it was in no way their fault. The Duggars being there was enough to make you sick to your stomach.

Sharon M said...

The Michael Seewald website is either not working or has been taken down by Mr. Seewald.

Anonymous said...

Are the Duggars opposed to art, in particular paintings of human figures? I've never noticed any artwork on the walls of their home. Even my staid grandparents have some Renoir prints and Victorian-like paintings. Are the kids allowed to draw? Is art considered idolatry?

Stella said...

Thr Seewald site as down due to traffic but now back up

http://seewalds.com/grief-shame-and-taking-the-lords-name-in-vain/

Cedric said...

When lastvI watched 19 Kids, I noticed some words of encouragement in script hung on the wall such as "Family" & some scripture versus however you are correct no Art, paintings or pictures on the walls of the Duggar compound, Anna & Josh's home, Jill. & Dericks home or Jessa & Bens home.

Bobbi said...

Never, Thanks for the Dingle Head comment. A good laugh to begin my day.

Willow said...

I wonder if the Duggars would "allow" Anna to take the kids to another town, even though we know she legally can if a judge says so. If Josh left her, which I think would be best for her, would she be allowed to take the kids and go live with her brother? I can't see Jim Bob being very happy about that. I wonder if he would go so far as to try to prevent her from leaving the area. Just a thought and speculation.

Gen said...


I don't like when people call the Duggars stupid. Yes, what they say is often incredibly dumb, but first of all they're young and at that age you think you're so wise, and second, their parents never educated them properly. Jim Bob and Michelle are to blame, we should just feel sad for the girls.

Syndee said...

I'm on the fence whether JB is very sly or kind of a dimwit. On the one hand he was very clever in making money without a 9-5 job, like real estate and cell towers and promoting the show, but on the other hand he actually fell for all that Gothard stuff in the first place. I mean, how slow do you have to be to start believing that that stuff has any value. At the first booklet on whipping your children with a rod, wouldn't you go, huh???

This makes me think of another thing - are any of these Gothardites 2nd generation? it seems for all these families, the parents grew up somewhat normal but then they converted. Are there any grown adults that were brought up in that environment as children and stuck through it?

Meme said...

I am watching YOU DON'T KNOW DIXIE at the moment. A segment featured The Grand Ole Opry. An entertainer stated how he had to take a moment and just stand on the stage, remembering the famous folks who'd already been there. Remember the Duggars being told about who'd stood on that stage? They all had deer-in-the-headlights expressions. Well, except for big-eyed Michelle, who didn't even know who Dolly Parton was. I think they are clueless about other things as well. I think they fully expect to get their show back when the dust settles. I notice that no one's running out to get a job. LAZY!!!

Ellyn said...

Alcoholism is viewed as a disease. Is an addiction to porn viewed as a disease as well?

Ruby said...

As far as artwork in the Duggar home goes, they have photos of themselves ALL over the house--big ones, so I dont think the lack of beautiful art is a matter of idolatry. They have very simple taste and probably know nothing of art. Remember that wall of baby pictures of all the kids decorated with some kind of eyelet lace back in the little house before they moved to the big house? That hideous thing looked like a mini shrine dedicated to their children!

sandi said...

Here's the path JB's plane took;whether Josh got off at any stop,or stayed on,remains to be seen.I'll believe he is in rehab when we see proof:

http://jezebel.com/josh-duggar-hasnt-been-seen-at-rehab-might-just-be-ha-1728203907

Marites H. said...


"This makes me think of another thing - are any of these Gothardites 2nd generation? it seems for all these families, the parents grew up somewhat normal but then they converted. Are there any grown adults that were brought up in that environment as children and stuck through it?"

From what I've read on the Recovering Grace website, almost all the kids who went through the program got as far away from Gothardism as they could as quickly as they could, even parting ways with parents who still go along with the ideas. Not so sure the Duggar kids know there is any other way to live than what they've been taught. The adult "kids" are stunted emotionally and don't know how to think for themselves. Anna does not have the self-confidence to leave Josh, take the kids and stand on her own two feet.

Duct tape JB's mouth said...

I have been reading through some of the latest updates and I am flabbergasted the Duggars have a private plane. But they eat off paper plates? I get so confused as to what is important to this family except mo eu and reproducing.

I do not think Joshie is any facility. A ten minute stop to get him and his belongings off the plane? I just don't buy it. I don't think he was ever on that plane. The Duggars firmly believe no one would question anything they say and if they say it then it is truth. I think they are fighting with an adult child who no longer chooses to drink the kook aid JB probably has him in a closet praying 24/7 for forgiveness that he does not want.

Duct tape JB's mouth said...

I do agree that Anna is not emotionally or socially equipped to handle life as a single mother of four. I just keep seeing her death grip on Joshies arm, the doe eyes as he speaks and the constant need to kiss. She will need tremendous support and counseling to stand a chance of success.

zebracrossing said...

Duggar Artwork...they do have that piece made by 'artist' Terry the brother-in-law...Amy's dad.

Aunt Bea said...

RE: the Duggar wall decorations at home..If I remember correctly, there is a section in the "Gothard how to live manual" that gives instructions on what NOT to have and what TO have on your walls and decorations in your home. Art, per se, paintings of outdoor scenery, people depicted in art is "verboten" and not Godly. What they are allowed on their walls is what you see in all of their homes, including the Bates household...photographs of themselves, word wall-art,(you know those things that say 'FAMILY, LOVE, PRAY', etc), inspiring spiritual things are only allowed...so ridiculous of them to be so unnecessarily rigid if you ask me. Do they really think that God will ask them when they are at the Gates of Heaven.."did you have a nice landscape painting on your wall in your home?" Ridiculous.

Sunday said...

Anna is a strong woman I think. Her children are beautiful, happy and seemingly well adjusted. I doubt Josh had anything to do with that as he has been preoccupied with his secret double life. (Jerk) I think Anna has raised those kids pretty much on her own. For a young woman in her twenties she is remarkably poised on camera. I am not a fan of the Duggars and all they represent (and misrepresent) but I truely feel sorry for Anna. Her life will never be the same. I hope she can find happiness somewhere somehow.

Duct Tape JB's Mouth said...

All the press "missing Josh" is getting is starting to look like a desperate Duggar ploy that failed to keep themselves on TV. I also feel they are confused as to why it is not working.

Dar said...

The In Touch article included an interview with the girl Joshie was with a couple of times. Had intercourse without a condom. What an inconsiderate pig of a man he is. Anna has had no one but him and He could relax with the thought that there would be ono way to catch anything from her.

Too bad he did not return that confidence to her.

Disgusted by the Duggars said...

Just for fun...go back and read the first posts on this site. There were some that were hinting at the secrets, already wanting to bring the Duggars done. Then read about how Anna and Josh can TRUST each other because they have been only with each other...it makes my heart hurt for this family, all of them not just Anna and the kids. I cannot imagine growing up thinking the best thing I can attain is an innumerable amount of kids. It is really sad that these kids cannot find what their true passions are and pursue them.

Knowing what we know now the original posts and comments on this site make me cringe. I do hope the family can move on, Josh can get some real help, Anna can obtain resources and know there is a better way of life and some of the older kids can break away (meaning just move out!). I don't feel too bad for them though, from watching A Very Duugar Wedding they took the Bible out of context...Anna's dad said Jesus turned water into wine, which was really grape juice. No sorry, it really was wine. I wish they would actually READ the Bible.

Cedric said...

When Jim Bob was approached by TLC to create a reality show, on camera he mentioned this event & stated that the only way his family & he would do a reality show was the purpose to promote a ministry. I say BS! Again, JB Lied. When TLC approached him he absolutely saw $$$$ signs. I mean the Duggars were living in a very small 2 bedroom home in abject poverty. Jim Bob continues to insult the viewers & Americans in general. Why can't he grasp this Reality???

Ellyn said...

Well, prople within a Cult Will Alwsys take the Bible out of context to suit their purpose. Clearly it was Wine & Not grape juice. I thought Mr. Keller appeared clueless & ridiculous when he made that comment. Mr. Keller also expounded on the subject of "authority" that now he's transferring "authority" over Anna to Josh. Mr. Keller needs to wake up that in this 21st century, we women are often the main bread winner, own businesses are gainfully employed & WE DO NIT REQUIRE AUTHORITY FROM ANY MAN IVER US. I thought Mr. Keller appeared to be one who possessed limited brains & he looks like a clown. Also, having grown up in the Protestant faith, I always dusagreed sbout the wine vs grape juice theory. The Bible clearly states Wine. I just don't know why so many Protestants cannot or refuse to accept this Fact! I am no longer Protestant.

Chloe said...

Unfortunately, Anna Duggar is so controlled by the Gothard Cult that she probably won't divorce Josh even though she has Biblical grounds. I wish I could buy a drink for Anna. This creepy Gothard Cult needs to be exposed via the media.

Helen Crump said...

I would think that the "legos sex explanation" that Jim Bob gave to Josh the night before his wedding makes Jim Bob feel like a hypocrite and a fool in the eyes of the public. He was a hypocrite all along with that one, and he knew it. I believe that since Josh wasn't sincere in his "purity" and in his vows to Anna at their ceremony, their marriage isn't valid. Anna held up her end and was sincere from the beginning, so Josh deceived her. I think she should have a good talk with a REAL pastor and see what their standing is regarding the validity of their marriage. How could anyone, even Anna, want to be with someone who has had relations with other women and has lied to her all these years? Once trust is lost in a marriage, there is no marriage...as it is based on trust FIRST and foremost. It's not like Josh stepped out of his vows once, a long time ago, it has been ongoing and started before the marriage.

Helen Crump said...

Anna has only a few kids at this time, and yes, it's demanding of her every day, but still manageable if she is organized...having said that, once she continued to add to the tribe of kids, that hands-on love, attention and interaction, would suffer....just like her mother- in- law.

Willow said...

The artwork comments got me to thinking - and it makes my head hurt, ha. The Gothardites are so limited in their thinking, for sure. I mean, a landscape painting etc could keep you out of heaven and also, what about those "horrible" careers. Imagine EVERY doctor or nurse in America not making it to heaven because of their "evil" jobs. It boggles and its best I just try not to think about it. They waste time, brain power and energy thinking about the totally wrong things!! (just my opinion).

Dar said...

There are now reports that Jessa has now turned her back on Josh. Her Instagram directs people to Michael Seewald's rant against Josh.

I wonder how much is really about Josh's sins, if you will, or about all that fame, glory, and money lost for the family. I think Jessa really wants a show about her and her baby and "Her MAN". Guess this family does not know how to live in the real world. They can't seem to cope if they are not in the public eye. Constant you tube clips and always with the "selfies". Did their bible ever mention vanity or pride, I wonder.

Karen Carlson said...

Karma is a bitch,Duggar Family.You do not have my sympathy for you held yourselves above other people acting like normal rules did not apply to you.You enabled Josh and have raised your daughters as subordinates.Shame on you.

Duct Tape JB's mouth said...

I do agree that Anna has most likely raised those children with no help from Josh. That in itself is probably a blessing for those children. The farther that disgusting man stays from them the better.

Jessa turning her back on Josh? I have wondered how long that would take as Ben has mentioned several times that he is a very jealous person and I have wondered how he would have dealt with Kosh for molesting Jessa. I also think she is trying to distance herself fr the fray as they have both said they would not "mind" being on TV if people were interested in their family. I feel she was looking forward to the limelight being on her after Jill delivered and the door got slammed in her face.

Helen Crump said...

Re: Cedric's posting about the Duggar "TV Ministry"...Yes, I agree with you on your post. In keeping with the Duggar-speak "two step", how is it that they claim this show was to promote their faith yet they have worked very hard to SHIELD THAT VERY FAITH from the TV viewers? If they wanted their beliefs to be out in the open, they should have spoke the name, Bill Gothard, explained why they believe that men are superior to women and that women have to be subordinate to males, are NOT ALLOWED to work, be educated even in Christian schools, shelter their children and why they assign the care of the babies to the older kids; why is it that RELIGION STATES these things? Where is it in the Bible that says that? and which bible, exactly do they read? who wrote it? Why don't they come out and say WHO wrote those "study pamphlets and booklets" that they read up on? why did they blanket-train their kids? why do they hit them with a rod? See what I mean here? This fanily has gone to great ends to hide their real lifestyle and beliefs from the public...yet another contradiction. This family is trash, IMO...I blame the parents AND Grandma Duggar for "training up" those kids the way they did. An injustice to them has been done. All of them.

Bobbi said...

Re Josh Duggar there is no contrition. Unless Josh receives Real Professional help he will continue his addiction to porn & to seek women outside of his marriage. Actually. Josh & Anna really no longer have a marriage. Each time Josh offends Anna will always forgive him. I realize she's dim & doesn't know any better. However deep down she must feel betrayed & trust destroyed. I mean come on. Anna needs to develop a backbone & stand up to her stupid Duggar in laws. Anna needs to leave Arkansas & live with her brother & his family until she begins to heal from this mess. Then she needs to return to school & become gainfully employed. I realize she has 4 children. I believe her brother & his wife are more than willing to help Anna. If Anna continues to forgive Josh & pretend things away that's a very dangerous place to go in ones mind. If she chooses this path, all respect & credibility for those folks who encouraged her to leave Josh will be forever gone.

Chloe said...

Earlier this AM, I called my sister who lives in another state. We began discussing Josh Duggar. My sister who earned a BA in criminal justice & for years was a Parole/Pribation officer said she wasn't surprised Josh became addicted to porn & seeking sex from other women. My sister said Josh's addiction began with the molestation of his sisters & the babysitter. She said initially Josh never received Prifessional therapy which could have really benefited him. Then this situation escalated into an addition to porn, seeking other females for sex. My Sis said if Josh doesn't get the help he truly needs at this point in time then often those addicted to porn may begin a path of criminal behavior. My Sis said that she compares a sex addition to a domino theory. She also said that once addicted to porn it is extremely difficult to become irradiated from the addiction & she said the rate of recidivism is extremely high. My Sis said she believes Josh's addiction to porn & cheating coupled with his involvement in the Gothard Cult is akready two strikes against him. Finally she said in order to leave the addiction or to heal from it the person must truly want the help otherwise it's futile. My Sis said the problem with Josh is definitely his enabling parents & that this problem may exist with the younger Duggar boys as well. She also said Anna needs counselling & that she's probably not aware that she does. My Sis said she believes Jim Bob Duggar also has a sexual addiction & that the entire Duggar family is really dysfunctional & delusional.

Bobbi said...

Helen C. Yes the Duggars have gone to great lengths to Hide their true beliefs. By now surely Jim Bob & Michelle realize we've figured them out & Are more than aware of their alegience to Gothard. The Duggars continually use God as an excuse to heal everything. There real mission statement is...

"In Gothard the Duggars Trust". Suggest Jim Bob get some wood from a dead tree & carve this mission statement then, hang it on the Duggar wall as pseudo "Art". That might make the Duggars day a better one.

Ellyn said...

I think all of the Duggarcmales are obsessed with sex. I mean with the plethora of sexual innuendo comments continually made by Jim Bob it's that old adage "the apples don't fall from the tree" & the tree & it's roots is definitely rotten. I am sure the majority of former viewers & Americans are not interested to see the Duggars return to TV. I realize the Duggars & Jessa Seewald are exhibiting behavior of Desperation via youtube, speaking engagements. The Dillards continue with their beg-a-thom & Why?? The people donating to the Dillards are paying for several flights to & from the USA & Central America. Where is the financial accountability of the Dillards regarding incoming donations? I mean Derick earned a degree in Accounting. There is no excuse. Don't the Dillards realize they are required to produce documentation of where & how donations are applied to the people who have made contributions? My guess is the Dillards ignore this part of their obligation & could care less. Just typical brainwashed Duggar behavior boarding on Fraud. What are your thoughts?

KimmieH said...

When 19 Kids was on air, Michelle Duggar once said that they are Baptists. I grew up in the Baptust faith & it was never even close to the faith the Duggars practice which is definitely Not Baptist. So Michelle's comment was as usual a ruse & blatant lie! Michelle should have been honest & said they follow the laws & rules of Gothard. However it's just not part of the Duggars reality to admit they are in a Cult. I think the reason Jim Bob & Michelle will not admit they are in a Cult is because they are ashamed & don't want people to become aware of this fact. The Duggars living in pretend land need to realize that long ago, it became evident that we realize they are embedded within this pathetic & creepy Gothard Cult.

June Bug said...

Jessa has removed her post on Instagram that suggested the reading of Michael Seewald's letter he wrote about Josh, but she still has a link on her Twitter account about the letter. I wonder why she took it down, was it her decision or that of her family?.My money is on Jim Bob ordering her to remove it. It's so sad that the Duggar kids, no matter their age will ever be able to think for themselves, express their own opinion, or live any kind of normal life at all, as long as they are under the authority of Jim Bob. Who ever heard of married couples clinging to the parents as closely as Ben and Jessa do, following the parents everywhere even after they are married, they have no life of their own. Josh and Anna did the same thing before moving to D.C. Most families do things together occasionally, but they went on every vacation, book tour, every event no matter what they were always with mommy and daddy. IMO this is one of the reasons why Derick and Jill are doing this mission trip, Derick is proving to Jim Bob he will take care of his own family now, I might be wrong but I think Derick might see Jim Bob for what he really is, unlike Jessa's man boy who will never stop following JB around, like he is the King or something, this family is so messed up.

KatieP said...

I believe Anna is being pressured by Jim Bob & Michelle to remain with Josh as well as Michelle is probably pressuring Anna to get pregnant with #5 believing this will resolve the problem. Geez Anna just recently gave birth her body needs to rest & heal. Obviously JB & M could care less about the health & well being of their daughter in law. I just wish some agency could intervene. I hope Anna does not become pregnant with #5. Anna should be cautious about STD's she may have received from cheating Josh. This family is just really mentally sick on so many levels.

Auggie said...

I think that Daddy Seawald is speaking out against Josh for financial reasons for Ben and Jessa. Their income seems to come from speaking engagements and they're getting a lot of flack. Apparently, Jessa has been getting a lot of flack about her speaking engagement at the Women's Conference she's scheduled to speak at in October. Wasn't it Daddy Seawald that said something to the effect that, 'anyone would do what Josh did if they thought they could get away with it'. This was in regards to the first scandal. We know in their cult culture a husband can beat his wife and his wife will be told to 'try harder' etc. so why wouldn't they tolerate adultery? I think Mr. Seawald is trying to do damage control.
Sadly, there are still so many people that don't see through the Duggar lies. I saw an article in which the author was defending Michelle's title of Mother of the Year! What is the quote, 'there is none so blind that will not see'?

CATMOM said...

Does anyone think that Anna was invited to Amy's wedding? If she was, do you think Anna will avoid going because of extra cameras? Just curious what everyone thought.

jules said...

Thank goodness most people do not follow Gothard else where would you get doctors, lawyers, nurses, teachers etc. Just think Michelle would be dead already as she had to have those c sections. I think the Duggars are crazy to prevent their children from attaining a proper education and then permit them to contribute to society as a whole.

duct tape said...

I have wondered why or how the Dillard's believe they can ask for financial contributions with no form of accountability. Derek is certainly trained to know what needs to be done. Do they feel due to the call of the Lord they do not need to support themselves with jobs such as most of the rest of us do? My grandparents were missionaries for fifty years and it was far from a plush life. Very few trips back to the states and food was sent from various churches. I wonder if Jill and Derick were both ill equipped to handle the stress of the bombshell aka Josh and decided to hit the road. Jill could not even leave Derick to drive himself to work each day? This would be a perfect answer for her as they are now together 24/7.

Anna has to be destroyed. She has done all she was taught whether right or wrong and look what she has received in return? It has been said he did not use condoms so who k own what the pig brought home to a wife that truly loved and cared for him.

June Bug said...

Will any of the Duggars attend Amy's wedding? Im sure it's not going to be the typical Duggar style wedding the family is accustomed to attending. Jim Bob and Michelle might learn a thing or two. If they could loosen up a little they might just enjoy themselves. I have wondered all along if the whole family will attend or will they go along with rude, judgmental Jim Bob and decline attending because there might be dancing or other things that they don't believe in. Family or not, I could see Jim Bob staying home just because he doesn't go along with Amy's ideas. If any of Amy and Dillon's guest show up inappropriately dressed (according to Michelle standards) it might be too much for dear Michelle to handle. They might be using the word Nike a lot knowing these idiots. I have never been a big fan of Miss Amy, but I have to admit i'm curious about her wedding gown , and what the bridesmaid dresses will look like. Saw pictures of Amy's bachelorette party, she and her wedding party looked cute, Michelle would've had a stroke when saw the length of the dresses. Although Amy's wedding is probably going to be smaller than the Jill and Jessa fiasco weddings, i'm sure it will probably look nicer. After all it wouldn't take much to outshine the typical Duggar wedding. Jill with no shoes, running down the aisle, messy hair, snacks, ice cream oh my.

Miz Kizzle said...

Watch for Josh 2.0 coming soon! My money's on him becoming some kind of sexual addiction therapist.

Miz Kizzle said...

They think about sex all the time, unlike the rest of us who have to take time out for work, school or whatever, they have nothing to do but pray and think about sex and then pray BECAUSE they thought about sex,

DOUBLE Misplaced Forgiveness said...

I think the Duggars will all show up to Amy's wedding,sans Josh,and maybe not Anna,either.I think Anna was invited though.I know Amy felt bad for her,and I can't see her leaving her out,even if it has to inc. Josh,whom I think will be a no show.
Jim Bob is eagerly awaiting his next chance for publicity,and this is it! I predict another vid like the one he did for Michaela's wedding.I think he just can't resist a chance to be in the spotlight,and who knows when is next chance will be,so this is it.We will see a grinning from ear to ear Dim Bib on video again,Michelle right by his side looking up at him,hanging on every word.They will either be in front of the church to prove they went,or at the wedding or reception itself.I don't think a little dancing or music or non fundie wear is going to stop him this time.He's on a roll!Yuk

Duct tape said...

I think Amy's wedding may be a little closer to normal than previous Duggar weddings. Jill could not even leave Derick alone the day of their wedding. They all made jokes about how different she was doing things and I only saw immaturity. He could have spent time with his family especially his mother that morning but no Jill had to be with him. I also remember her feet looking filthy and thinking how immature the entire day seemed to be JB all teary eyed and joking about not giving her away and dongle head with her bug eyes talking in her Minnie Mouse voice.

Chloe said...

Jill is a clinging vine. Jill is extremely immature. Not her fault. Jill exhibited one who was too isolated all of her life. Jill was never allowed to date. Just court with the purpose to meet, marry the first guy who came along. No wonder she's a clinging vine. Jill is human Velcro. Jill is a child living in an adult body. I don't believe Jill received a GED. So college educated Derick really dumbed down when he married Jill. Why did Derick marry Jill & what happened to the frontal lobe of his brain?

Miz Kizzle said...

Good point about the wine/grape juice thing. Episcopalians use wine for communion but Presbyterians use grape juice, not that they deny that Jesus drank wine.
Maybe Gothard's followers don't allow wine because it might lead to dancing?

Willow said...

Zach Roloff said he missed his fiance' the day of his wedding, but he managed just fine. Its tradition. Afternoon weddings are not even a whole day of waiting. Jill is just a basket case in my opinion. Obsession and attention are her guiding stars. I will add, however, insecurity could be a large part of what drives Jill as well.

As far as accountability for their mission finances, I can't even begin to imagine what is going on there. If someone was to make a written request, would they receive an answer as to the distribution of the money, etc.?

Ms T said...

I mostly enjoy watching the Bates show, however I find it hard to watch any scenes with Tori in them especially the couch scenes. She and Carlin are pretty much alike, but Tori is so obnoxious and I cringed when she was describing the way her dad snores on the camping trip..."like a fa-rog", so yeah I guess she's my least favorite.

Sharla said...

Please note, Amy's wedding has its own spot. Thanks.

Nana8 said...

Great job, Josh. You have proven to your family and others of their ilk that the real world does indeed hold too much temptation for a moral boy like you. They will blame the heathens for bringing you into their decadent fold. They will wind that belief around and around and around the truth that your sinning actually began at home until they think they've suffocated it. Too late, Joshua.

Duct tape said...

I think what bothered me so much about the obsession of Jill over Derick on their wedding was how I'll his mother was and at that time they were very unsure how much time they had left with her. Derick should have told the jealous little girl he was about to marry that he wanted to spend time with his family. Yes there are more families in the world than yours!

I did not realize that Jill did not even have a GED that really makes me question Derick's maturity and other things. What do they even have to talk about? Or does he talk and she act like her dough headed mother and just gaze at him? She made very poor decisions while in labor and I fear for future children if they are not close to health care.

Elspeth said...

Why think Jill doesn't have her GED? Michelle said the older kids had gotten GEDs.

Ellyn said...

I've never seen a family so incredibly oblivious & clueless as to Americas opinions of them. How can these Duggars not realize that we will never buy into their Cult? Do they isolate themselves to the point of shutting off their brains? Even with this latest & disgusting scandal committed by Josh, the Duggars have no shame & still they are desperate to return to TV. The fact that Jim Bob & Michelle want to produce a show featuring them providing counselling is just so absurd it's laughable. Why doesn't a rep from TLC or another network sit down with JB & M & carefully (speaking in one syllable words) clearly explain returning to TV is not an option. The Duggars continue to exhibit desperation & in doing so hey appear pathetic. I just want the Duggars to cease this bad behavior & fade away.

cat said...

Just because they say the kids have their GED, doesn't make it true. They lie and cover up everything, with the poor Homeschooling' they got, I dont see how anyone of them passed. Im really not sure what Derrick saw in Jill, but he seems to care about her, more than Ben, who I think made a bet with his friends to get a prized virgin and a Tv show, well, he is stuck now...

Concerned Teacher said...

What was the big deal about Jill and Derick going to El Salvador? They have been back to the U.S. twice within seven weeks. Lots of people live much closer to their families and do not see their parents every few weeks. I suppose Jill will be home again in eight weeks or so for the birth of Jessa's baby. How much can they realistically be doing in El Salvador when they are traveling back home every month? And the big question: Why, oh, why would people donate money to Jill and Derick for them to have the luxury of all of these trips?

sandi said...

Michelle said *some of the older offspring had their GED,and some didn't.Some speculated it was just the boys.So idk

Gen said...

Leave it to Jessablessa to start celebrating her anniversary 2 months in advance. Just as Amy is getting ready to get married... Strange

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20950648,00.html

Sharla said...

Today has produced some of the sleaziest and most improper speculation so far in the Josh fiascos. Please, refrain from the wild and foundationless speculation and the creepy, distasteful variety. I think you can all figure out what is simply wild and trying to malign the family.

Always said...

Michelle has said in the past, that if she has the time she will take the kids that have finished their homeschooling, to get their GED. She as never mentioned whether the boys or girls or both get a GED. I would think if you are homeschooling your kids, you would be obligated to find the time to take them to sit for the GED. What else is she doing? Hey, Hey, Hey!

KatieP said...

OMG what? If Michelle has the time? You are kidding me? So Michelle takes the cavalier approach to her older kearthids education & if she has the time, she may drive them to take the GED? Where is this woman's brain? I am at a loss Geez!

Bobbi said...

Ok so not surprised it was just the boys who received their GED. After all, according to the Duggars belief system & Gothard Cult, women do not require an education their only function throughout life is serial pregnancy. Such antiquated theory of life, abusive & disgusting.

Heart in Florida said...

RE Always post' about Michelle and her kids GEDs....What?! ...IF SHE HAD THE TIME? What could be more important than seeing that your children have at least a GED when you have already severely limited their education? How could a parent do such a thing to their own children. If this statement is true of her, she should be ashamed to show her face in public...I know, I would....and YES, where are the educational authorities in that state to look in to the matter and protect those kids' rights to be educated properly?

Syndee said...

"Be sure to check out our family website www.TheSeewaldFamily.com for updates. We're about to post our entire wedding photo album with never-before-seen pictures of our special day!" "

She's seen them. So why are they "never-before-seen" pictures? She can't stop talking like she's a tabloid speaking to an audience. Seriously though, why wouldn't she have shown all her pictures in the first place? Why would you have held back any. Except in hope to make a buck on your anniversary.

Willow said...

Jessa is releasing "more" of her wedding album pictures - the day before Amy's wedding. She waited a whole year to do this, why? My guess is to steal a little Amy thunder for herself. I'm sorry, but I guess being "Christian" doesn't really mean you also have scruples or class.! This is just like Jimb Bob and Michelle posting all their wedding photos when Jill was getting married.

Really?! said...

She will take them if she has time to get their GEDs? Wow oh wow. Is there not some type of law that makes that a little more of a priority? Why does she not have time? She isn't spending time with her children so should be free as a bird. All the opportunities for travel and to learn have been wasted on this family. Their children could be in good schools and actually making the difference they so lamely talk about but again dim bulb and dough head keep them behind compound walls. Ack!

Auggie said...

The Dillards returned to the US for the TLC Documentary tapping/Bates Wedding then went back to El Salvador along with Joy Anna and a Bates daughter. (I believe I found this on the Dillard's site) Now they're all back in the US for cousin Amy's wedding. Good thing the naïve public is supporting them on their mission! I can't believe how naïve people could be to support them AND I can't believe the audacity of Jill & Derrick to volunteer this info. They really do believe they're that entitled!

DOUBLE Misplaced Forgiveness said...

I suspect filming the show was their main priority,and the kids' education wasn't (has it ever been?),so it just got thrown by the wayside.
I don't think the state of Ark. really cares about education for their underage population,either.The days of truant officers knocking on your door if you didn't send your kids to school is gone (think $$$ for that,they cut costs,imo),and they don't seem to care if anyone follows the homeschool rules,either.It's a shame;every child has a right to an education,not just a basic one,but one they can follow as far as they want,and as far as their own individualness and intelligence allows them

Always said...

RE: The Duggar Kids education. Can you even imagine what these trips around the world would mean to those of us who have children that are in a decent school & receiving a good education? This is not to put down homeschooling ...just the lack of homeschooling going on in the compound. If you put kids that were learning about these various countries & took them on the world trips the Duggar kids have gone on you'd have something to work with. The fact is they have no basic education at all. Of course, Michelle would point out their wonderful Bible education.

Always said...

I was thinking, that by age 16 the Duggar kids usually are all driving, so I wonder why the don't go with an accountability partner & take the GED test on their own, if Michelle is so busy? Come to think of it, Jim Bob is never too busy to take them for their drivers license, so why don't they fit in the time for the kids to get their GED. Guess having drivers in the family is more of a help than an educated child.

Duct Tape said...

Jessa is beyond self centered to be releasing the never before seen pictures the day before Amy gets married. They have no cares for anyone at all but themselves which really is very unChristian like.

Jill and Derick are just as self centered and entitled. Let's fly all over the world and get other people to pay for it. We can call ourselves missionaries. They have not been in El Salvador long enough to even be familiar to anyone they are supposedly trying to help.

It just chaps my hide too see what this family is trying to do in the name of religion.

Heart in Florida said...

Has anyone heard that the Duggars are now suing TLC? That is such a joke, if it's true. Jim Bob clearly stated that they'd "be fine" if they went off the air and it really didn't matter to them one way or another...liars they are. I would think that with all of the personal heartache that they should be experiencing with the Josh thing, that a TV show is the last thing on their minds, but NO....

Syndee said...

The suing thing, it makes Honey Boo Boo look dignified (who woulda thunk it?), as she made a more or less graceful exit and hasn't (to my knowledge) tried to force her way back on the air, even though she was let go for far less than the duggars.

HelloDolly said...

I have several friends who still LOVE the Duggars and are waiting faithfully for their return to TV. These people are the same ones who believe that Josh was just experimenting with his little sisters (it was after all, on top of their clothes).

However...they are unable to explain away Josh's porn star lover.

The Duggars fooled a LOT of people for a LONG time!

Esthr said...

The Duggars came late to the table so they don't get what many of us do about the Internet. Thongs they post will be around FOREVER. When Josh's precious kids are grown they are going to learn way. More than theyneed to about their dad.

Jim Bob has really made mess for his kids andgrandkids by desiring fame and money so badly he was willing to do whatever it cost to get it.

KitKath1024 said...

You've got to be kidding. A new update? Or the one from awhile ago before the went on their "mission trip?"

KitKath1024 said...

Oh, I'm sure Josh is nowhere near that rehab. He's probably at his Mommy and Daddy's house "laying low" and doing nothing but playing on his phone looking at porn still. No way he has the strength to get through that rehab (if you can call it that, anyway). My money's on him being right there at the compound, like a big grown man child.

Wow said...

Suing TLC?! Does dim bulb not realize it could be turned right back around on him for not fully disclosing the Joshie situation before filming began? A little like lying on your job application but alas what would any of them know about that?

He is the father of a nasty deviant son and there could easily be more coming down the pike. If he had ANY brains he would be worried about his children and getting them proper not Bible memorizing treatment.

The audacity is mind boggling.

Girlfriend said...

Are Derick and Jill even aware of Charitywatch.org and charitynavigator.org

Also google 990 finder to watch the IRS form that will need to becomes eachyear to account for the money they rake in.

Dillard Family Ministries should pop up in the near future if not on there now.

Tabloids are you listening?

No Longer Anonymous said...

If the purpose of the Duggars show was to spread the word about their faith and urge others to adopt their religious beliefs, why would they have a closed home church instead of a big mega church that welcomes the masses. What are they hiding besides the things that have now come to light.

Their fake modesty drives me crazy. I remember being pregnant and while I didn't go into hiding, I wore clothing that wasn't skin tight. The last few weeks before giving birth my tops might be a little tight and show my belly button but I wasn't proud of it--just trying to make due without buying any more maternity clothes because extra funds needed to go for buying necessities for the baby.

Will this family ever go away? I want to take the younger kids that there is maybe still hope for and raise them with a mix of a read education, friends, movies, dancing, dating, etc.

Ellyn said...

Seriously, do you really believe Derick (an accountant) & Jill will google the 990 finder to become accountable for the donations given to them. Even though Derick is college educated, he's really dumbed down since marrying Jill & into that dumb Duggar family. Derick & Jill probably believe they get a pass because of the defunct reality show. These Duggars, Dilkards & Seewalds don't Think it's obvious they just don't Think.

Katie's Mom said...

RE: Hello Dolly's comment. I have been saying for more than 2 yrs. that the old, tried & true saying :" You can fool all of the people some of the time & some of the people all of the time, but you can never fool all of the people all of the time." It may be an old saying but I don't know any other that applies to the Duggars so clearly.

Ellyn said...

I really believe the mission of the Duggars show (Jim Bob) was to subliminally convert viewers to the Gothard Cult. Although ole creepy Gothard was never mentioned, the so called sick principles he established (not Bible based) rang loud & clear throughout the entire run of the Duggars reality prigram. Within a few minutes of the very first episode of the Duggars it was definitely clear this family is in a Cult. Jim Bob not intelligent enough to fool people as he always ends looking the fool that he is.

Living in Indy said...

The incredible idiocy of Jim Bob Duggar just continues he's just a joke. Suing TLC not smart as I am sure TLC retains very smart & ruthless attorneys. Don't think Jom Bob's attorney is that savvy. After all Jim Bob always goes for his motto in life "buy used & save the difference". Jim Bob is just well too cheap to retain a competent & expensive attorney. When they passed out brains Jim Bob said did you say trains & can I get on board?

Shari N. said...

Ellyn,
The 990 finder allows us to look at their tax return. I doubt any of the Duggars know....but now we all do.

Can't wait to see their first tax return!

KimmieH said...

Shari N., I doubt the Duggars really know about the IRS or taxes in general. They live in another world far Removed from the mainstream of society. They prove time after time as us evident from the posts written by know nothing Jessa Seewald & the behavior of clingy Jill (who still behaves as a 12 year old). What's so disturbing is Jill is a Mom. I feel sorry for Israel this kid doesn't have a chance add to that Jessa's child soon to be born this Nov. I was hoping after Jill & Jessa married they would see things from a different & more logical perspective & bolt from the insanity of the Gothard Cult. Sadly that hasn't happened because the arms of Jim Bob extend into Jill & Jessa's marriages. Obviously Jim Bob & Michelle have too much time on their hands. These two should be focused on the remaining younger Duggar kids living on the compound but no. Jim Bob just keeps sticking his nose into the marriages of Jill & Jessa. One would think Ben Seewald & Derick Dillard would stand up to ignorant Jim Bob however that isn't happening. Jim Bob is so insecure,needy & narcissistic to see beyond himself. Michelle & Jim Bob live in an unrealistic world. Both are listening challenged. Jim Bob is desperate to control everything around him. He's not intelligent enough or clever enough to carry it off. Jim Bob fools know one.

Girlfriend said...

Oh, I would think Derick, being a real accountant would know about paying taxes to the IRS.
What they may not realize is that there are
people who understand that when they file their info for the non-profit becomes public info. That is what the 990 Finder is all about.

Since it is new it probably won't show up until they file in 2016 for 2015.

Dar said...

Well, Amy did get her wedding the "People". Just saw the picture of Jana with Jill's little guy. Is she responsible for every baby who is brought into the house. Also, Jill certainly does not have to look after him alone. Her sisters will provide back-up. Guess Jill is getting ready for another pregnancy.

The beat goes on.

DOUBLE Misplaced Forgiveness said...

The Duggars certainly haven't converted me or my daughter;she says she just wants one child,and we are fine with that,because it is not my call or even any of my biz however many kids she wants

pretty girl said...

can someone please tell me why they keep blaming anna for josh cheating on her. it is not her fault. I blame his father? I truly beleive that Jim bod also cheated on the mother. this man has a sex problem and no one wil say he has. his wife does what ever he wants. one women on the duggar family blog says michelle saved her marriage. I could never see michelle ever giving anyone advice on how to save a marriage. and were is anna mother her mother should be there to come and get her and the kids and get her away from this family. this family has failed their daughter big time. How can you not let your daughter or sons get a education and jobs to support yourself in this day and age. and mr seewald also has failed his son. I hope derrick does not fail his son the way the duggar have failed their childern.

KitKath1024 said...

Just had a thought...perhaps the reason the Dullards keep coming back so often is for Derrick's orthodontist appointments. Makes sense--his teeth keep looking straighter (albeit ridiculous) and I highly doubt there's a handy ortho in rural El Salvadador. Remember having to go every month when you had braces? If so, he's using their "donations," (read, laundered funds) for a very unethical purpose.

Dialing said...

I fear that Anna is doomed. The article even mentioned she and Michelle were wearing the same color blue. Oh Anna. These people do not care about you or your children. It is all about how they appear and how to make your piglet husband look better. I do pray that you have had the sense to go to the doctor and have yourself checked for anything that pig may have brought home. You owe it to your children to take of yourself as they need you.

Bringing Derick and Jill on stage to pray for their mission work? What mission work? Praying no e of their flights are delayed going back and forth? That is ridiculous.

The minister does not even "get it". His suggestion to put filters on your internet would never ha e stopped Josh. He is a sick deviant person and when there is a will he has certainly shown there is a way.

I agree with o e of the above posters about dim bulb. I feel Josh is the image of his father and dim bulb talks about sex way too much to be so innocent. I think he easily could have stepped out on Michelle. I think he easily could have some very nasty hobbies to keep himself entertained as who would question him? No one!

I have no use for Anna's parents. They have left their daughter and grandchildren with the wolves in the name of religion. No amount of praying or Bible reading will ever make that ok. They abandoned her when she needed her family the most. Disgusting.

Dialing said...

If Derick is flying back and forth for dentist appointments then why the rush to in July? They have been back twice and a third time looms ahead. The mission field will still be there when you get your braces off. I fear Derick has swallowed the koolaid and may be even trying to make his own flavor. I am deeply disappointed in who he seems to now be. If he felt the great need to help there are plenty of people in the States they could have worked with until his teeth are done and all the trips had been taken.

I did notice Izzy had no shoes on so I guess mama dressed him for church.

Elspeth said...

The Duggars are trying to keep Anna under their control:
http://www.etonline.com/news/171395_duggar_family_attends_fiery_church_sermon_on_pornography_as_a_secret_sin_ahead_of_wedding/

Aunt Bea said...

What? Derickdillard is flying back and forth for orthodontist appointments from the mission field? On whose dime is he doing that, I ask? What in the world was so urgent that he leave his job, home and country that couldn't have waited until his treatment was complete? His wife just had a difficult delivery, they were barely married and MOVED IN TO that house; my opinion of that entitled couple is going down even further, if that's possible at this point. Stick a fork in them, they're DONE. Since this is now known, anyone that gives those two a dime, has their head up their "you know what"....

Dialing said...

Aunt Bea you hit the nail on the head. Twice at least.

I thought Derick was going to be different as he had a job. But the more we see and the more time passes he is starting to look worse than baby Ben. Derick seems to feel very entitled to do as he wishes. He wants to live in foreign country but most missionaries raise funds before leaving to go the field. They seem to think they can do as they please and all will be taken care of. I hope people are beginning to see the real story and are NOT donating.

Seriously.. said...

Amy is quoted as saying she is relieved to be dropping the name and that she no longer has to perfect and wear long skirts.I was like, Yeah right! when have you ever seen Amy in a skirt longer than her knee caps?? She sure is a hypocrite. I bet if the Duggars were still on tv she would be sucking up as always to get screen time. She is something else! You can tell she sure is related to Jim Bob.
And her husband sure hates Josh and threw him under the bus quickly( can't really blame him there though). I wonder if Amy was one of Josh's victims.
He goes on to say he expects more mistresses to come forward and more possible bombshells regarding Josh and that Anna should leave him.

pretty girl said...

since when do the duggars attend cross church? that is not their home chruch at all. they go to some house church run by indepdent bapsit with no pastor. someone just goes up there and shares what they like. dont call that any kind of church service.

Just Plain Offended said...

Please don't tell me that huge picture of Izzy on the church screen showed him at church barefooted. What does Jill have against shoes? Good grief. Someone in the Gothard male power structure (like JB) must have a foot fetish.

Aunt Bea said...

pretty girl; that homemade church that the Duggars went to was headed up by Boob himself; it was their very own "invitation only" church. From what I hear, it closed from lack of attendance; so I guess they had no choice but to show up at Cross Church as their church....they really want to run their own and might do it again.

Dialing said...

Izzy had no shoes on. I am beginning to believe since Jill is either barefoot or wearing flip flops that maybe she doesn't k ow how to tie shoes? She sure seems to have some type of problem with foot wear

Dialing said...

An invitation only church? Wow that seems pretty un Christianlike to me.

I feel they are attending Cross Chirch for appearances. See look at us We are doing fine. Josh is not here. The minister is even preaching on the exact subjects we need to hear. I think it is another one of dim bulbs games. Who in their situation would stay after for pictures and autographs? That seems so very warped to me.

roddma said...

I've seen several comments criticizing Josh for not getting up early. Im no Josh fan,but working evenings doesn't make you lazy. Many professions aren't just 9-5 including doctors and law enforcement. The trouble is none of the Duggars have a job where they have to keep schedule any time of the day. ow would they like working until 7 am, then sleeping all day, or work Sundays?

pretty girl said...

truly I could never see the duggars going to the cross church anyway. it does not seem inline with the lifestyle they have.

Josie said...

In response to roddma about the Duggar schedule....

I understand that not everyone works a job where they wake up early having a strong work ethic isn't always contingent on being an early riser. The problem with Josh and the other Duggars is that they feel only their time is important. Even if they DO have to be somewhere for 7am, they feel completely justified in sauntering in at 10 with a hearty chuckle about "Duggar Time". The only time they made the effort was for the Today Show, but that's only because they're media whores. Doctors, dentists, clients and air plane pilots can wait for them.

Bobbi said...

A church that is invitation only or a "closed" church is once again indicative of & clearly a CULT!

Cedric said...

Clearly Jill is Shoe & Fashion Challenged as well as just thinking in general.

Tori said...

Regarding the Dillards leaving the country so quickly months ago ... perhaps Jill begged Derrick to get her away because of the molestation becoming public.

When she and Jessa were interviewed for the lame Fox News special, Jill seemed extremely humiliated and she cried about it.

Just a suspicion....

KitKath1024 said...

Roddma, the issue is not simply "not getting up early." It's that his supposed rehab requires that he get up early and work extremely hard physically and mentally. Josh has shown again and again that he is incapable of waking up early for anything {almost sleeping through the birth of his baby, consistently sleeping in when others are awake and functioning, as well as the Duggar mentality of staying up late and getting up late since they, um, have a later schedule to adhere to? (read: do nothing all day.)} Obviously, there are many people that sleep in for a number of different reasons. Hey, if one wants to sleep in because they don't have much going on daily, cool, just don't you're such a hard-working holy roller who's better than anyone else.

Michelle (not Duggar) said...

Re: baby Izzy and not wearing shoes. I think it's pretty common for non-walking babies to have no shoes-especially in warm weather. They just fall off anyway! I wouldn't be surprised to see him shoeless when he's older though... Anna's been given an escape with her brother but chooses to stay with that loser. Am I supposed to feel sorry for her or be angry with her. Both I guess, but for the sake of her daughters she needs to GET OUT! He won't change - I don't think many people like him do. Can she really be resigned to a lifetime of this?

KitKath1024 said...

I'm really surprised that more people/articles haven't addressed the fact that Josh has a very little chance of actually rehabilitating himself through "religious treatment" due to the fact that he has a PERSONALITY DISORDER.

Personality disorders are only treatable through valid, very intensive therapy in which one's formative years are examined and examined again to see where the trauma occurred and how to go about rectifying it, if that's possible at all. These religious kooks are rarely treatable at all given their deeply ingrained narcissism. It's akin to "gay camp." Sorry...you can't just "beat the gay out of someone." Maybe the behavior will subside for awhile, but it's always there and ready to rear it's ugly head.

I agree that this isn't the end of Josh's closet skeletons. I personally can't wait for more to be disclosed; the more come out, the more likely it is that Anna may leave. So sad that a few terribly insecure power-hungry men must ruin so many lives in the process of obtaining the power and control they so desperate crave.

As L. Rob Hubbard famously quipped: "If you want to get rich, you start a religion."

Denisean said...

RE: Decorations in the home...
Honestly I think cults like Gothard put these ridiculous rules in place just to see how much people will comply, and then if they comply with that nonsense, they know they've got total control over them.

Gen said...

About babies and shoes. My pediatrician told my mom to have me walk barefoot as long as possible because it's the best way to build the feet properly. Of course I wore shoes when we went somewhere, but I was barefoot most of my childhood.

On another note, the Dugger kids need to have rumspringa like the amish do. One year of going into the world and decide what you want to do...

Dialing said...

I believe what bothers me about their seeming lack of schedule as to how funny they seem to think "Duggar Time" is. It is rude to keep other people waiting period. I don't care that you have 20 plus or so people to get out of the house. You set your clock, get organized and get your tears there at the time allotted. Your time is no more portent than mine except in your own little time. Josh used to make jokes about how late he went to the car lot. I understand not all work regular hours but it is their inability to see how anything affects anyone but themselves that irks me.

Maybe Jill did need to get away due to the molestation becoming public. But going to counseling may have been a better choice. She seems to be unable to handle life in an adult manner always looking like she has barely been able to get dressed before leaving the house. Lease brush your hair if you choose to keep it that long and wash it on a more regular basis. I have wondered if between Izzys birth being so difficult and the charges becoming public if it has just pushed her to her limit which is most likely much lower than the person raised under more normal circumstances.

Anna looked exhausted. She probably feels like she is being attacked from every direction and has no idea who she can truly turn to and trust. She desperately needs serious help to move forward and on how to deal with the person she chooses to remain married to. I too am not sure if I should feel sorry for her or be angry that she has no backbone to stand up for herself and especially her children.

Dialing said...

While pulling up the Duggar name from over the weekend I saw the title to an article "Duggars Church Attendance Another Ploy for Publicity?" It spoke to the fact the sermon was catered to their "needs" and the pastor addressed the answer as being filters on your internet. Oh yes, that would have certainly stopped Josh. Not!' How does he explain the molestations?

Just found it interesting to see that others are seeing right through dim bulbs games also.

Amanda said...

Has anyone seen this: http://www.people.com/article/jessa-duggar-seewald-shares-wedding-photos-after-amy-duggar-nuptials

The Duggar Family posted: We all had such a wonderful time at Amy's wedding. All of this excitement has caused Jessa to pull out her pictures from her wedding and post 100 of them on her website. Check out her album here which includes many never before seen pictures.
http://www.theseewaldfamily.com/wedding-photos

No I think it was more of an excuse to steal the limelight away from Amy.

Dialing said...

Is that why they had to eat and run from the wedding so Jessa could go through all her pictures filled with such excitement.

Nope another ploy to steal the spotlight by some very desperate people.

Felicity Self said...

Maybe she is just remembering her wedding as the new wedding is reminding her of that very important day in her own life. I wish her and Ben every happiness.

Sharla said...

Oops, I deleted one acceptable comment amongst a group of unacceptable ones. I didn't think I'd ever have to out and out say proselytizing is not allowed here.

TXJPM said...

In the Duggar's religion, Anna already has a Biblical justification for divorce, correct? So she has grounds to divorce Josh, but can she re-marry and remain in good standing?

If Anna were to divorce Josh, I don't think Josh would be permitted to re-marry someone else and remain in good standing.

AnnoyedAnna said...

The Duggars need to revisit J-O-Y, because some of them only seem to capture the Y.
They seem to think it is J-Their name, O- Ourselves, Y-Yes I'm pregnant!

cat said...

I still wonder if josh didnt learn about the internet from his dad, Jb has seemed very preoccupied about sex for a while now, too the point it was embarrassing to watch and Michelle just went along with it. I wonder what skeletons he has, himself and Michelle stayed with him and is now encouraged Anna to stay. Just my own observation. ..

TXJPM said...

I haven't really seen this view articulated...does anyone think Josh wanted to be caught so he could escape the strict lifestyle and all those domestic responsibilities? Freud would say so. I also think Josh is angry at his parents, but doesn't have the ego strength or insightfulness to acknowledge this to himself or to them. So subconsciously, this betrayal was his "Take that, Mom and Dad!" Think Eliot Spitzer who was governor of NY and a Presidential contender before he was caught with a call girl.

I bet Josh has suppressed so much anger over the years. When he went to Washington the deficits of his upbringing became embarrassingly apparent. I'm sure he felt stupid and inadequate for the first time. Josh went from being a big fish in a little pond to a small fish in an ocean. Think of this: he has no cultural references. Imagine the flat, awkward conversations he had with his D.C. peers. I bet he felt humiliated, especially when he realized that his parents intentionally eliminated museums and music and normal, all American activities because that was worldly and sinful. He was duped and he realized it and resents it.

Meme said...

Aunt Bea: Yes! Derick is puzzling to me, also. I would have thought he would be more of a leader instead of following Jill around. It's like he "knuckled under" once he was inducted into the Duggar cult. And even though he and Jill are off and away, they still come back home much more than I would imagine Derick would've done had he been alone. Derick. You had better get it together or you will be a forever Duggar. A college-educated man who has lived and traveled and........whew! Bet that college ex-girlfriend is looking pretty good right about now.

Jae said...

I have to say, I'm actually surprised by the implication(s) being made regarding Anna & how she should 'just' leave josh. What seems to be missed/overlooked is that she was raised this way. You can't compare her (or any of these kids, really...) to a person who has grown up in a relatively 'normal' family. They have all been brain washed & any sense of individuality has long been discouraged. Although she's legally an adult & could run away from the circus, I don't believe she has the critical thinking skills, nor the education to understand the 'why' of it all. She's operating on the idea that god is testing her and so logic really won't apply. It would be like trying to reason with a 5 year old. As her own father said at her wedding, josh is her authority figure now. The tragic thing about this mess is that in order for her to get out and actually be a functional member of society, she's likely to need to help of a psychiatrist/group that specializes in helping people break out of a cult. She's too brain washed & so enclosed by more of the same that it would bad nothing short of a miracle if she got out on her own.

Living in Indy said...

I agree. Also believe this bodes true for the remaining Duggar siblings. Even though Jill & Jessa are married, the long arms of Jim Bob definitely control their marriages. I wish Derick & Ben would let Jim Bob have it. I wish both couples would develop a backbone & permanently exit the state of Arkansas. I can't bieve that John David hasn't already fled the compound.

Denisean said...

TXJPM: I commented last week I believe about the same theory as you- I believe Josh wants out of this lifestyle, and secretly wishes Anna would leave and he would be free. I don't believe, even while still drinking the Kool Aid, that he wanted that many kids.

cat said...

If Josh really is in that bible and hard labor place, he isnt going to get the real help that someone who has molested his sisters needs. He will most likely come out angrier than he was and who knows what he'll do next. I blame his parents for everything he has done. You dont keep having babies and ignore the rest once the nursing stops...

Virginia said...

Responding to the comment about the Duggars not keeping a schedule. I always find it interesting that they are on time for appearances on TV but are late for everything else. It shows how selfish and self centered they are.

Rosallie said...

Anna needs to divorce Josh before HE divorces her. He was the unfaithful one, he needs to be shown the door. She doesn't need the stigma of Josh divorcing her, she needs to divorce HIM, give him the boot. She deserves alimony and child support. (I'm not a feminist, I simply believe in justice.)

Yes, we Christians are not supposed to be "worldly", but we live in this world and we have to deal with things. What the Duggars have done is to deprive their 19 kids of real-world experiences that would actually help them deal with real-world issues, which are not all bad. Now, when they venture out on their own (hopefully, but don't count on it), they are at a loss, especially the womenfolk. Josh rebelled in his own perverted way and went off the deep end; he's obviously got mental issues from being the spoiled precious first-born can-do-no-wrong son. JB&M never should have tried to cover up what he did to his sisters and the other girl, never.

The 21 Duggars are a community unto themselves, and anything can and will happen.

Syndee said...

" I bet he felt humiliated, especially when he realized that his parents intentionally eliminated museums and music and normal, all American activities because that was worldly and sinful. He was duped and he realized it and resents it. "

Maybe he wishes he could go off with Anna's brother as well. That would be a nice outcome, the two of them escape with the help of the brother, he leaves Anna with her brother, agrees to a divorce and child support, and goes off and tries to get a decent job.

KitKath1024 said...

Oh I'm sure they were invited there by that creepy pastor guy to drum up publicity--the sermons were directed to the Duggar situations, after all. Everything's for a buck with these people. Sure doesn't make fundie look too good, does it....

June Bug said...

So now Jill and Derick are calling Cross Church their "Home Church"? What happened to the Jim Bob Home church, I thought only JB and the Duggar men were allowed to lead this group. I'm sure there has to be a reason for suddenly attending Cross Church, like a sponsor for Jill and Derick maybe. According to Et online most of the Duggars including Anna attended Cross Church this past weekend before Amy's wedding. What a good move JB , making poor Anna sit through a sermon about pornography. That had to be a tough one for her. Then she had to put on a smile and attend Amy's wedding, I wish someone could convince her to take her children and get far far away from the clutches of her evil in-laws. Jim Bob is heartless, stupid, or both I'm convinced of it.

frances said...

I agree with you too, Jae. None of the Duggar kids have any kind of reference point for mainstream living and any direct exposure to ordinary, everyday people and events outside of their compound must be really disorienting for them. They live in a closed world that is calculated to limit all interaction with others (including social media) who exist outside of their carefully controlled atmosphere. Even the youngest ones would need plenty of counseling to change the mindset they are absorbing every day. Blanket training and special camps designed to discourage individual thinking coupled with the crippling lack of formal education - what a disaster for them all. Having baby after baby under these conditions is nothing to celebrate. JMHO

no1 said...

Jessa! You green little jealous monster you. Your wedding was less than a year ago. I honestly don't think enough time has passed to call it "reminiscing." Also, I am STUNNED by the stated number of photos: 100! Who has time for this (other than you)?

My opinion: You saw how much nicer Amy's wedding was compared to yours and you just couldn't be happy for your cousin and leave it at that. . .

Elspeth said...

Jill and Derick are following the Gothard way. Cross Church was Derick's church before they married. I've also read that the Duggar warehouse church has been disbanded.

Chloe said...

Elspeth, you mean the Cult warehouse church that creepy Jim Bob founded is now defunct. Wow there' is a God!!!

Helen Crump said...

Since Jim Bob has embraced this type of sheltering, sequestering and severly UNDEReducating all of their children, not preparing his daughters, or the girls they marry for an emergency situation in life ,(Anna, we're looking at you), let him now open his wallet and support all of them. He gave his children NO strength in life, he and Michelle have rendered their children weak in the real world.
Also, a while back, on TV they stated that their belief system for the males is to obtain gainful employment, save a lot of that money, buy a home BEFORE seeking a wife and have it ready to offer her in marriage from the first day. Jim Bob has failed to properly prepare any of his sons for that scenario as far as I can see. It didn't include their father providing a temporary first home in the least...remember "LEAVE AND CLEAVE,BABY"? Those were Michelle's exact words.
I don't feel sorry one bit for Jim Bob's wallet at this time. He should support Anna and her 4 kids because no one has prepared her for a life change.

Ruh Roh Scooby said...

I read this morning that people have begun to "question" Jill and Derick's mission work due to the number of times they have flown to the States. One even wondered what nice resort were they planning on staying in next. So I believe the donation button for the Diilard Family is starting to dry up. I do feel Derick was at one point very sincere in his mission aka before Jill but some where along the line he seems to have really swallowed the koolaid.

I had never thought of how ill prepared Josh was for his job on Washington. That must have been an eye opener and I agree probably quite embarrassing. There were probably times that he had no idea what they were even talking about. That could cause an immense amount of frustration and anger. That does not give him the golden ticket to do the things he did. But like has been said the offspring of dim bulb and green shirt Re so ill equipped to make life decisions.

He should have received proper help years ago and it has only escalated into more deviant behavior. If he is allowed to leave his supposed facility with even more anger I fear for Anna and those children. They will be the closest and easiest target for him.

Many have wondered when John David will move out of the compound. I personally do not see that happening as he has no paying job that I know of and I think he is quite happy having all of his needs laundry, food etc met by his sisters. He has it pretty cushy so why leave?

I am relieved that the Dillard donation game seems to be coming to an end. It has bothered me greatly to see those two flit about the globe while there are people in the mission fields who have not seen family or friends in several years.

Ruh Roh Scooby said...

This would be the "best" outcome to the horrendous mess that Josh has created. I just do not know if any of them are capable of such decisions

Meme said...

I agree with so many here that Josh is really wanting OUT. Does anyone else remember him once stating that he didn't see anything wrong with just having 1 or 2 kids (or something like that)? It seems to me that Anna admires Michelle greatly and tries to emulate her. She began cranking out the kids and now I wonder if Josh's sexual perversions were about more than sex? I'm thinking that maybe he was supremely stressed out about the possibility of having 19 kids in his future? Please don't think that I am making excuses for the pervert, I am NOT. But I am wondering if he is going to try to find a way O-U-T. You know, over the years we've all tried to figure out which Duggar kid would be the "rebel" one day. Because Josh got married so quickly, no one really considered him. Think about it. Next to J Bob, Josh was/is the biggest know-it-all in the family. He's arrogant and a typical first born child. Maybe HE is ready to be the rebel.

Scooby said...

If their belief is for the male to be gainfully employed, saving money and purchasing a house before marriage how do they explain Josh and Anna? Wasn't their house his grandparents who lived there until dim bulb 's father got ill and they were overs to the compound? That doesn't add up to what nonsense is spewing from their mouths.

He flat out found a house for Jill and Derick to live in. Should that not have been left up to Derick or does dim bulb consider himself to be man of that house also?

None of them have purchased houses before married. They were too busy counting the days until they could enjoy the physical side of marriage.

Leigh Ann said...

I think Josh has had it with his parents. You could really see it when they couldn't be bothered to show up with the truckload of furniture when they were moving. And Josh did his best to move away from his parents and establish his own, they're just like those little sticker burrs, you can't seem to get rid of them no matter how hard you shake your leg. They just stick to another part of your body. I think Josh wants to live his own life. Having this secret life was probably kind of empowering -- it was something that was all his, his parents didn't know about it and couldn't try to control it (not that they'd try to tell him who he should have an affair with, but you know what I mean!). And now they're telling him where to go for "treatment" and that he has to stay married. If he ever had any kind of control over his life a bunch of this might not have happened. He'd still have his addiction to deal with but maybe he wouldn't feel so strongly to pursue a double life just to have something of his own. See, this is the kind of thing a licensed therapist would get to the bottom of -- the molestation of his sisters/friend, the addiction to porn, the affairs, and his relationship with his family and how it all ties together. That kind of controlling environment breeds all kinds of unhealthy behaviors. It's a wonder we aren't seeing eating disorders, cutting and that kind of thing. Of course there's no telling what's going on with the other kids/adults that we don't see.

Chloe said...

At age 27 or 28, Josh Duggar is an adult. After this latest scandal broke, why did his Mommy & Daddy vs Anna, make the decision that Josh would go to the Bible based rehab center? As I recall when Josh married Anna, he was told to "leave & cleave". So was that message just breeze or a farce? Even when these Duggar kids marry, they are never permitted to remove themselves from the strong arm rules of narcissistic Jim Bob Duggar. How cruel & how sad.

Esther said...

pretty girl said...

since when do the duggars attend cross church?


Remember the Valentine's banquet where Jill and (was it Josiah?) escorted Grandma Duggar? That was as Cross Church.

Esther said...

Remember the porn watching for Josh that we learned about Aug 20, 2015?

I was not aware that Josh Duggar was accused of watching porn on “company computers” while he worked on an Arkansas politician’s 2004 campaign. Josh was 16 at the time, so he had the porn watching problem way before he married Anna and got out on his own.


http://www.inquisitr.com/2237387/josh-duggar-got-caught-watching-porn-at-work-which-politician-was-his-boss/

Marie said...

Does Derek have braces on his teeth? It is not a big deal, except I thought vanity was a sin. Plus, dental appointments in the states could also explain why they need money to fly home.

jlp said...

Remember the leave and cleave and yet not one of the duggars have left, except for Jill and Derrick - Jill is living in the world in another country! It has to be difficult for her, these poor sheltered children, the decisions made for them even after marriage. Both of my kids are married and I am happy for them. They are adults and can make their own decisions. Jim bob and Michelle = ultimate helicopter parents.

KitKath1024 said...

You're absolutely right: He saw what the big city had to offer and went for it. How embarrassing to be totally ignorant among such cosmopolitan people. He was probably the most ignorant by far of those at the FRC; what the heck can he speak intelligently about? And...as much as it pains me to say this...you know what? As much as Josh sucks, I'm actually kind of glad for him. It's nice to know that a Duggar man-child has the chutzpah to do something totally of the wall, even if it is totally insane. At least it's taking a risk. It's being totally defiant and depraved, which is a welcomed change (publicly, at least.). God I can't wait for his tell-all. I give it five years.

KitKath1024 said...

There are few people in th public eye more dispicable than Jessa. She is absolutely gross. The horrible attitude. The attention-seeking behavior. The complete lack of ambition. The dumb husband. The jealousy and desperation to be in the spotlight, and the complete emotional disconnect. The misinformed preaching about social issues she knows nothing about. Why does everyone think she's "so beautiful?" She's very unattractive to me--the long, ugly chin and the oddly shaped head--way too much makeup hides the bad skin, sunken eyes, and awkward features. She's te worst of all. I hope these "southern women's shows" cancel her. God how I wish they'd go away. I don't mind making fun of the other loser Duggars...it's so entertaining...but Ben and Jessa have just got to go.

Willow said...

As others have stated so well, NO excuses for Josh at all. However, I have had some additional thoughts about him now, based on the recent comments made here. I wonder now if Josh had such a hard time with the car lot because it was not his choice. It MAY be his dad forced that on him when he really wanted law school. (?). Ditto for getting married. I think Josh chose D.C. for the reasons mentioned above for sure. He wanted some freedom and he loved the political arena from even his childhood days. But, being as he was ill-prepared, it would seem logical he would start resenting his parents for under-educating him and trying to control him. I agree with Leigh-Anne's comments. I had started noticing a few years ago that he was not all that close to his siblings and I definitely felt he was a little envious of some of them. All of this probably did not cause the porn addiction and cheating, obviously, but just kind of an observation about Josh and his "lot in life" being the oldest sibling of the Jim Bob Duggar disaster.

As far as Anna goes, I am guessing she has always been awestruck of the Duggars. Now that the TV show is over, lets hope she comes down to earth. She is used to Jim Bob calling all the shots for her and for Josh. It may take her awhile, but she is after all an adult and she does not have to obey Jim Bob. She has every right to tell him no and to pack a bag. Its up to her and no one else, really.

One more thing - It just gets me so irritated that Josh and Anna could not just be their own family and deal with the press, their issues, etc., themselves. They are not children - they are parents of their own children. Why can't they decide for themselves what they want to do and where to go or not go to rehab? Is Jim Bob holding all the purse strings? If so, they need to break free for good, whether they are together or apart. Its embarrassing (IMO) to have daddy doing all the talking and deciding. Umbrella of authority is a CROCK. Grrr and Grrr. Josh is a big, spoiled baby or he is terribly afraid of something. (I will stop for now :) )

Meme said...

Sometimes things are so close that you cannot see them. Chloe, you are so right about the craziness of JB and M making the decision about rehab for Josh! As you said, Josh is an adult. Of course the decisions should have been made by Josh and Anna. Better yet, ANNA should have made the rehab decision all by her little lonesome, as any other wife would have done. So why didn't she? Because Josh and Anna are only allowed to leave and cleave so long as they follow Jim Bob's laws. God bless all the innocent children in this situation. With their pompous, pig-headed fathers and their despicable, doormat mothers. (Didn't plan the alliteration there, it just kinda rolled off.)

Syndee said...

" so he had the porn watching problem way before he married Anna and got out on his own. "

Was it really a problem though? Or was he just naïve enough that he didn't realize you shouldn't do that on work computers. Maybe if he had normal internet access at home he'd get it out of his system there and not at work, like any normal guy.

Now Ashley Madison and the sister-molesting is a different story..

Aunt Bea said...

Very astute comments here folks. Yes, I agree that Anna and Josh should GROW UP and handle their situation like adult, married parents; not big kids of Jim Bob's. They are allowed to marry, procreate and that's all they are allowed to do. They really can't think for themselves, manage their own homes and lifestyle choices, nor can they decide the size of their own families to their own "being led by the Lord" to maybe have only 3,5 or 10 children, but to LIMIT the amount to whatever suites THEM; not their parents. It was obvious to us that Josh was NOT enamored about the idea of having many children; I think he loves the kids he has, I really do, but that silly idea of Anna's and their belief system doesn't work for HIM, and that's not a sin. Quite an observant point about his "secret life" being a source of control that HE has on his life...great point (!) I agree with that; like eaters, bingers, and anorexic persons...that belief that their lives are out of their own control, they seek to have some control over an area of their lives... Josh, I believe, felt that same way. He did display some resentment with his parents on earlier shows about having to construct that house, not being able to continue a real education; and Ibelieve the Duggars married him off quickly to satisfy his "manly desires" righteously...They also wanted to "get him out of the house" quietly and let him be Anna's problem possibly. Such a shame that the Duggars really suck as parents. I shudder to think what disasterous messes they have made out of their remaining children. It's yet to see.

Living in Indy said...

It was always a distant dream of Jim Bob to become elected to office at the Federal level. Thank God that never happened. I also believe Jim Bob had extremely high political expectations for Josh. Had these two been elected to office at the Federal their agenda would have been to remove all freedom for women in the USA & forcing women to return to the 18th century way of life. Basically, Jim Bob wants the USA to become the People's Republic of the USA similar to the way the Soviet Union was inn the past. In a way, Jim Bob runs his family as people living in a communist state of being. His children behave as robots, no independent thought is allowed, very minimal education, no traveling outside of the compound without an accountability partner, arranged marriages, no dancing, no modern music, no choice in the way women dress, mans absolute authority over women, blind obedience of women is required & finally women have no choice over their bodies as to when they want to have children because birth control (according to jerk Jim Bob) is a sin. I don't know what Bible Jim Bib references it's not the same one the majority of us have read or haven't read. This despicable & heinous Gothard Cult is very dangerous. The objective of this Gothard Cult definitely Targets women. I also believe Josh is a product iof & to a certain degree, victim of this horrid Cult. Granted he had a moral choice & responsibility to avoid accessing porn but I believe & still do that this was an act of rebellion & anger against Jim Bob & Michelle. Josh is absolutely in a rehab center that is not capable of addressing his addiction. Josh needs professional Non Biblical therapy. If Josh does not receive the therapy he really needs then I see his condition escalating into something perhaps far worse. It's obvious Jim Bob & Michelle long ago dumbed down & embraced ignorance. These two are too far gone to realize Josh needs professional help. 100% the minds of Jim Bob & Michelle revolve around that stupid Gothard Cult. These two are in need of serious de-programming as are the remaining members of the Duggar family. I don't see any one intervening on behalf of Josh, Anna or the Duggar kids living on the compound. Very disturbing.

Bobbi said...

One thing Jim Bob & Michelle have successfully accomplished specific to their adult kids is to retain their brains from becoming true independent thinking adults. JB & M have definitely imprinted the fact that each one of the Duggar Kids must forever into infinity rely upon them, seek their approval & never make any important decisions without consulting them. Regardless of marital status, each Duggar kid is forever bound by guilt or robotic behavior to Jiim Bob, Michelle & the crippling Gothard Cult.

Mindi said...

I believe Jubilee's funeral/memorial service was at Cross Church. I've never seen the Duggars in a church that size for a service except for Grandpa Duggar's funeral & maybe one of the weddings. Don't remember which one. .

Denisean said...

I don't feel Josh was pushed into marriage. I think he wanted to finally see a naked woman in person, and this was the only way. Maybe he thought once he was having sex, that would be enough. And maybe it would have been if they could use birth control and enjoy it, and not just have one kid after another. I think he dialed back on the sex with Anna because he didn't want to have 20 kids, and then had no other outlet. Additionally, I don't buy this 'addiction' crap- he is not addicted to sex or porn. It was the only way for him to get any sexual relief without making 100 babies. I want to be clear that I am not justifying the affairs, but I am simply saying 1. looking at porn is not cheating, and 2. the whole guy's childhood was so screwed up that he's not coming from the same place we all are when dealing with issues like sex. I also think he was led to believe that he would be the captain of his own fate once married, and could do whatever he wanted as head of his own family, but then daddy still wanted control.

Scooby said...

I had read when the molestation charges first became public about Josh being fired due to computer porn during a campaign. That was many years ago and long before he married Anna so the porn has been a long term obsession.

I do think in his own twisted way he is rebelling against his parents, his life and maybe even Anna. He did not look extremely thrilled when she told him they were pregnant with Meredith. Four children in that short of time span could be very overwhelming.

I did feel bad for both he and Anna when they were sitting in an empty house and JB calls to tell them they decided to stay another day at the Bates. Really? You could not have done that on the way home? Oh no, that would make too much sense and you would be putting your son and daughter in laws needs in front on your own. No one's feelings, time or needs are more important than dim bulbs.

I do not in any way condone anything Josh has done. I do hope he is able to get out if that is what he really wants. I do hope he treats Anna with some consideration of that is what he intends to do. She does truly care for him and most other woman would have kicked h to the curb a long time ago.

All of their children are so warped in so many ways. Jana is just a lost soul. She seems to have nothing to look forward in life except babysitting. They have nothing at all to be proud of as people or parents. They have lied time and time again to the public. Their children are severely under educated, immature and emotionally stunted and have their parents to blame. Those you should be able to trust and count on the most in your life have completely betrayed you.

What a mess.

Scooby said...

At Josh's age my son had been to Iraq, earned a bronze star and two Purple Hearts. Upon returning to the states, he became en expert in explosives and was part of the Presidential security detail. I say this not to brag but he did this with a GED while working on college on the side.

Josh could have done so many things and maybe even helped so many people but just never ever had a decent chance.

Does anyone think JB does not believe in further education because he is afraid of it? Afraid of the unknown? Afraid his children may be more successful than he? Just a thought.

No Longer Anonymous said...

So many of us keep trying to approach the whole weirdness of the Duggar cult with logical thinking. Yes the older kids should rebel and Anna should leave Josh. But sadly, they are all like abused spouses who have been groomed to believe that this is what they deserve. They wouldn't even have a clue that they could choose to live a different way. It would take someone rescuing Anna or the older kids and deprogramming them before they could even imagine another way of living. It's sad that sicko Joshie is the only one who realized there was something different but he obviously chose to live a double life and act out secretly and destructively. His actions and behaviors will likely cause the cult leaders Dim Bulb and MOTY to double down their efforts to keep the family isolated.

Why was the girls' bedroom locked instead of the boys. It's highly unlikely the girls would snuck into the boys' room to be molested. Lock up them curious boys.

Chloe said...

As I recall in one episode the girls room was in the process of being renovated or upgraded. Cibdy Michelle's friend. Cindy is obviously a progressive person. In the process of this renovation Jim Bob was in the room & looked at Cindy in disgust (what a jerk) then Jim Bob said the girls room was his favorite room. I thought hmmm quite telling & them I wanted to hurl.

Ellyn said...

Scoring, yes ref 3rd paragraph.. Add to that The reason Jim Bob is not a fan of education is because he was a poor student who never learned the lesson to study & improve. Jim Bob took the easy way out in selling out to the Gothard Cult. Several people who knew JB in HS said he wasn't well liked he was kind of annoying & self righteous. BINGO! So now with all of these kids, Jim Bob has established himself as King JB who rules with a dictatorial iron fist. He's scary & not smart two disastrous combinations.

Special Ed Lady said...

I had the idea they locked the boys out, not the girls in. In our state, a bedroom door my not be locked so,the people inside it cannot get out. In case of emergency. If they locked the girl's room, the girls could get out, just the boys not in.

Buckeye said...

DimJim is afraid of everything, thus his pathological need for control. Mostly, I'm guessing, #1 on his SCARED OF List is the possibility (now PROVEN INEVITABILITY) that others may realize that he is the same pathetically dumb loser he was in high school.

Let it go, DimJim - you had a good ride for awhile there, happily allowing TLC to exploit your entire family in their usual shameless ratings grab. Yes, Dimbo, from the beginning, TLC knew you are still that same pathetically dumb loser high schooler beneath your home-coiffed and over-sprayed hair. They just PRETENDED to take you seriously so long as you were willing to sell out your 19, 20, or 21 ( are we pretending to count the mythical 'Caleb' this week?) blessings for cash and a 7 year massage to your weak man ego.

You've considered yourself on a roll and vindicated from the time you snagged the pretty cheerleader topped by a short lived(& failed) run as a political 'leader', then followed by a vapid and completely whitewashed 'reality' show, but with your flagship blessing now at the bottom of an educational, emotional, and spiritual abyss, yes, DimJim, your worst fear has been realized: the world sees you as you truly are. Just one more intellectually-, culturally-, and most of all, ethically- challenged, weakling control freak who attempts to hide beneath that supposedly holy cloak of Patriarchy.

Doesn't your beloved bible say something about 'ye shall reap what ye hath sown'? You might want to pay special attention to that particular verse over about now .....

Ramona said...

I disagree with the remark that Josh is a typical, know-it-all firstborn. Please don't lump all of us firstborns in with that over the top arrogant child.

Bobbi said...

Wow Buckeye, your amazing writing talent is quite captivating & your intuitive ability to see through a facade that is Jim Bob is accurate. I wish Jim Bob would read your posts. Although, he would probably need a dictionary & a thesaurus as a reference tool.

Dee said...

talkingpointsmemo.com/theslice/duggars-bill-gothard-iblp

A very interesting article detailing the Duggar's involvement with Bill Gothard, IBLP, and ATI.
It reveals the disturbing behavior of Bill Gothard and highlights his sick teachings.

OkieMom said...

This article is very insightful about Gothatd and his cult. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/theslice/duggars-bill-gothard-iblp

Confused in Germany said...

Willow: as to Jim Bob "allowing" Anna to leave with the kids.

There is one way to make him like the idea:
tell him what he gets out of it.

1. five less mouths to feed
2. no surrogate mothers needed out of the number of remaining daughters therefore
3. more time for fellowshipping with his lawfully wedded slave erm wife
4. no reminder of how his sun pulled down his lucrative TLC-income

But that is just my oppinion.

Cedric said...

I have always been perplexed as to why the Duggars abhore TV, movies, museums, dressing in a normal not Fundie way. Yet, tthe adult Duggars have cell phones, access to the Internet, they are all over facebook, & on instagram. They continually pose for People's magazine. So Jim Bob which is it? No electronics (TV, etc..) or constant in our faces ministry? Oh wait, your attempt to sell your faith as a "ministry" it's a DEFINITE CULT!! The continual contradiction, deception & lies is just disgusting. The Duggars need to realize they are not celebrities (hello Jessa).

Chloe said...

Reading about Bill Gothard & his dictatorial control & as an 80 year old + person gave me chills & in a creepy way. After reading the article I showered. The fact that Gothard would seek to abuse young girls is so sickening. Why wasn't this pervert, pedophille arrested? I googled a photo of Gothard eww really ugly. Never married, Githard believes he's an expert about marriage. Duh! What woman in her right mind would be attracted to a creep such as Gothard? This proves the absolute ignorance & Poor Judgment of Jim Bob Duggar & Gil Bates. Reprehensible!! Really creepy!

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