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The Duggar original house for 14+ was provided by the church next door for free. The church used it (for families in need) from their congregation. They let the Duggars live there FREE as a family in need.
Their vehicles were all donated to them through local area churches. All the Duggar clothing and a lot of their food were from assistance programs for the poor in the area; so the Duggars were POOR.
Don't buy into their TV lies. The Duggars and TLC produced a reality TV show of what people wanted to see that made things look different from what their lives were really all about. It is NOT even related to the realities of the Duggar family. TLC bought into the lie willingly. They knew it was bullshit, but it made for good TV.
Their big house was originally only a concrete slab, a badly constructed roof, and had badly-installed heating which made it necessary for it to be torn out and redone by TLC. There were no indoor walls, no electrical, no plumbing, no HVAC, no studs, no flooring, no stairs, no insulation, no fireproofing, no windows, no doors, no framing, no ceilings, etc. None of that was done by Jim Bob; TLC did it all. TLC wrote a check to Jim Bob for 200k for the house. TLC also ensured that the standard and legal building codes were up-to-date (through the use of licensed contractors) that Jim Bob neglected to ensure in his building practices.
Don't believe what Jim Bob says! He's a lying liar who lies. Now, Jim Bob would like to say, from his narcissistic perspective, that TLC demanded they build a bigger house for production. Not true. The family desperately needed a home and it was impossible for Jim Bob to finish it, or even get to the point of having walls and ceilings. He was in arrears (owing back money on a debt) to the people who poured the concrete (look up the public records of lawsuits and/or property liens against James Robert Duggar.) He didn't have the skills to do the project, nor the money to pay someone. TLC built the Duggar home, full stop; that house wouldn't have been livable for many years at the rate he was going. He owed money to everyone who helped him work on the house. He was sued for payment by the concrete company who poured his slab - that is DEBT. Advertisers were then contracted to provide all the appliances and furniture.
The fact that the Duggars lived on large amounts of charity, Pre-TLC, became known very early. They hinted at donations of furniture and clothing early on in their specials (which were televised before their reality TV show), but that was only a tiny portion of the truth. Church members have ratted out the Duggars all over different internet forums. You can check their city and/or county tax filings to see if they ever paid property taxes on a home. In later TV specials, Jim Bob had to admit the original broke-down family bus was donated to them. Rumor has it that the church wanted the Duggars OUT of the charity house. The property was broken-down and condemnable. The city was leaning on the church to make renovations on the house or to tear it down. After the Duggars left, the church tore it down for a parking lot.
Every time you would see a product placement on 19+, that was a freebie for the Duggars. Every time Michelle and Jim Bob mentioned a certain brand name of a product on their show, it resulted in more freebies for the Duggars. That's how reality TV works. So those sub-zero freezers? Freebies. Stoves? Free. Washers and Dryers? Free. Cleaning products in the pantry? Free.
Oh, let's not forget about the constant trips, weddings, funerals for fetuses, parties, and shopping trips were all paid for by TLC as part of production. TLC is not alone in this. It happens on all reality TV. Need a nice restaurant to meet friends? Need dinner paid for? Call TLC and put it on the show!
That's the world those kids grew up in. Praise Jesus, smile sweet for the cameras, hide your impure thoughts and resentments, and all your needs will be met by God!
Josie's medical bills would have been in excess of a million dollars. With what are probably the same practices as the hospital in which I work, Josie's hospital itself probably automatically applied for Medicaid for her, as could TLC have done if they were providing insurance for the Duggar tribe. Medicaid was involved. No hospital or insurance company wants to shoulder that financial burden alone. Jim Bob is anti-insurance, as stated early on in a TV special.
It doesn't take very much research to see all the cracks in the Duggars' story. Believing all the lies they spew on TV is simply dumb! Go take a crack at finding out for yourself what this family has been up to for 15 years.
The Duggar parents started twisting reality from their very first show. Did you not wonder how a family of 14 could live on Jim Bob's cheap real estate deals? Did it not seem ridiculous that Michelle could teach her children, all of them at once, anything at all? Didn't that church charity home of 3 bedrooms + 2 baths seem a little squalid, with no room to study, play, or eat in one whole setting? How much time was spent attending to the individual needs of all those kids? The older Duggar kids (and in the future, the M grandkids) will always suffer in "school" and on "educational" field trips because the lessons are skewing downward so the youngest students will understand. When the show started, those kids had big dreams; they wanted to be doctors, lawyers, vets, firemen, interior decorators, and such. Why did all of those dreams get smashed and now none of them are working at all? What ground those aspirations into dust?
Only three adult children have a GED, which the Duggars claim is graduating from high school (see the blurring of the truth there?) Why don't any of their other kids have training or enough schooling for a GED diploma? This last April, a post on the Duggars' Tumbler stated that Jackson started 4th grade in April and he turns 11 in May. One of the older girls cannot do fractions, and 14-year-old James Duggar is only now learning his multiplication tables. The Duggar children are displaying the results of Michelle not properly taking on the necessary teaching and nurturing roles within her homeschooling. Michelle is staying true to form; she made it quite public by saying (on their show) that the kids do all of the homeschooling themselves (she stated that Jessa was the organizer and the teacher, and whoever takes her place has some mighty big shoes to fill AND I DON'T KNOW WHO WILL STEP IN). Seriously? It's not as if she didn't see this coming, and maybe it's a sign that she should be taking back this responsibility; but we all know that won't be happening. Homeschooling has afforded Michelle the least amount of involvement and responsibility. In a regular school, she'd have to ensure that the kids got to school on time (not gonna happen on Duggar time), she'd have to ensure their homework was done, she'd have to go to parent-teacher meetings (no one is gonna tell her about her kids... or anything), she'd have to volunteer in classrooms, she'd have to drive the kids to their school activities, etc. There would be actual responsibilities, and she wouldn't be calling the shots (such as teaching values and "facts" based on a biblical separatist mindset fueled by Gothard, Phillips, and the rest of the Duggar fundamentalist circles - like the country's entire population will fit in Jacksonville, FL).
All the more appalling is that neither Jim Bob nor Michelle work traditional jobs; they, AS PARENTS, could devote a lot of time and energy to educating their kids.
I actually believe the older kids may have had a better education, just because 1) there were less kids to manage and 2) Michelle was more on her mom game. However, the younger kids have been a part of tours, shows, specials, and the general public spectacle for all of their lives; all of that puts a serious wrench in the "plan." Michelle can delegate all she wants to the older girls, but there is a reason successful teachers need to be adults with proper training. Without consistent education and reinforcement, we see a seemingly with-it 13/14 year old learning times tables.
Now, can one NOT believe that the Duggar children (uneducated and unskilled) believe that the world owes them the good life? Instead of being taught the value of an education and the rewards of having a strong work ethic, this is how they were raised! Praise Jesus and the fans send gifts to your wedding registry! Exalt in God, forget the molestation (it's "no biggie" after all, according to Jill and Jessa), and all those bills will magically be paid!
Jill observed a few births under the wing of a woman who lost her license to practice midwifery due to her insufficient education and safety practices. Jill and Jana were NEVER midwives in-training, not even doulas in-training. Their rush to assist at live births was only for their TV show. It was a lie to imply that Jill or Jana were fully trained or qualified for the full responsibility of participating in live births on a full-time basis.
That is the Duggar template; don't learn anything on your own that is not pre-approved by Daddy Dearest Duggar, don't leave the Duggar household until you're married, and don't experiment with new ideas nor learn new skills that would require an education or further training outside of the Duggar bubble. Just stay under the Duggar umbrella and God will provide; females, stay under your male headship and obey his every word.
None of the adult kids has a job; thirteen adults are not working (at all), and are not producing any income nor gaining any skills that will help support the family. John David isn't even a licensed commercial pilot yet and won't be for years. Josh is currently unemployed; in his pre-DC working past, he spent most his time at the used car lot playing video games. He couldn't even manage the financial books for that place.

From Radaronline comments August 4, 2015

110 comments:

Bobbi said...

Wow this makes absolute sense. You wrote it so accurately. Is Jim Bob aware of this post? Will Jim Bob ever own any of his lying & Narcissistic behavior. Michelle is a part time & lousy Mom. These two Duggar parents have absolutely destroyed their kids who at one time had so much potential. Only three kids have a GED. OMG this is so wrong. Where are the Arkansas child protective services for the under age Duggar kids? Someone needs to intervene & quickly.

Chloe said...

What Jim Bob & Michelle have done with their kids & still continue doing is definitely Criminal. To prevent their kids from learning, to destroy their dreams of careers is heartbreaking. I just cannot stand the dishonesty & lies from Jim Bob & Michelle. They are just rotten to the core.

Mary Dunn said...

Wow! I just found out through research on Gothard that NOTHING the Duggars purported as their family values are actually their own ideas. Everything they teach and preach is straight from the pits of Gothard. Even the language like giving your heart away pice by piece is Gothard's words. Hair and dress styles, living debt free, no kissing before marriage, courting, homeschooling, mega bedrooms, all of it are from the cult. Their whole show was a platform for promoting a very sick set of standards dictated by a patriarchal maniac, Bill Gothard. SOS ministries is another cult they promote. I am glad they lost their forum. Those beggars need to cease and desist and just go away!

Concerned Teacher said...

Love this post from Jim Phillips! He sure hit the nail on the head. The sad thing is, the Duggars are convinced that their superior faith has found favor with God and that is why they have prospered. I'm sure they don't see themselves as entitled grifters with no real skills or education. Worse yet, people will continue to bless the Duggars with material goods and money, at least for awhile.

Esther said...

http://aviation-business-gazette.com/A55/B63/Pilot-John-Duggar-Duggar-Springdale-AR.html

FAA recognizes John Duggar Duggar (I thik it is supposed to be John David as it has his parents address, where he resides


The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) is recognizing John Duggar with inclusion in the prestigious FAA Airmen Certification Database.

The database, which appears on the agency's website at www.faa.gov, names Duggar and other certified pilots who have met or exceeded the high educational, licensing and medical standards established by the FAA.

Carol said...

That website is garbage. http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79251

Misplaced Forgiveness said...

I think it was said that Sierra was hired for the homeschooling? Someone correct me if I'm wrong.And if she was,who knows if they are willing to keep her on with no tlc income anymore.

Dee said...

Fantastic comment from Jim Phillips. I hope as time goes on, that more and more of Jim Bob and Michelle's horrifically neglectful and abusive parenting comes to light. This is the second thing I've seen today outlining the horrible conditions those kids lived in.
Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar both deserve to be in prison for what they've done to their children. I hate what Josh did, but if you read the Inquisitr article about how the kids were living during the time of his predatory acts, it shines a light on how terrible and neglectful Jim Bob and Michelle were. Add an at-risk kid into the mix and it's just a recipe for abuse and disaster.
Jim Bob and Michelle should be locked up for many, MANY years.

Helen Crump said...

All I can say, is "WOW"! What a post. why isn't this made public and directly brought to the Duggar parents with cameras in tow? JB always states that they have nothing to hide, so why would he not cooperate and directly address these statements? I'd like to see that. Shame on you, TLC, if this is all true, regarding your involvement. Other posters in the past, who claim to be local to the Duggars, or know them have also stated these things....about their true financial state, their substandard house from the church, TLC actually paying for that house; etc...I don't wish anyone ill, but I do require honesty. These people are con artists of the first degree, even more so, that they are hiding behind God. I challenge a real TV network to do an absolutely true expose' on this family and address, line per line this post with the true facts of history regarding this family...and start with Grandma's activities.

Bobbi said...

This one jimped out to me... Ok so John David met the High Educational Standards? Did Jim Bob edit this information? Does Jim Bob know the definition of the word edit? Where any Duggar is concerned I remain & will always be skeptical...

Willow said...

I am thrilled that this Jim Phillips person spoke up, but what took him so long?? Can anyone enlighten us as to who this gentleman is (bless him!) ??? Thanks.

The shame of JB and Michelle is starting to become known even more.

I also heard Sierra was going to homeschool the smaller Duggars. I can only assume her own children will also be in her "classroom". Do we know if there is any sort of qualifications for homeschool "teachers/parents/siblings" ??? Shouldn't there be some sort of minimal qualification?? I'm not slamming Sierra personally on that issue, as I am sure she probably has a high school education but is that enough? For the younger children, probably, if a "teacher" is dedicated. But, what about the older grades?? Just curious. I'm sure it would vary so much with each individual "educator" that it would be hard to evaluate or judge. Oh well, thanks for letting me vent out loud, so to speak.

Another thought - Without the fame and fortune of the TV show and all its trappings, would the non-working adults just all be sitting home on welfare?? From this article, it sounds like they were depending a lot on hand outs back in the day. Its just so mind-boggling. I'll stop now.

Living in Indy said...

Mary Dunn, in the past, many of we posters & written the same or similar messages. True the Duggars are all about the creepy pedophile Gothard & his heinous cult. What's interesting to me is that Jim Bob actually believed he was subliminally converting viewers under the ruse or guise of a Pseudo ministry that never was. Clearly it was & will always be about GREED, dishonesty, deception, depravity & Lies. That's the true Duggar Family.

Elllyn said...

What educational qalifications does Sierra possess to effectively teach the Duggar children? Did Sierra earn a Bachelors degree in education? I am dubious.

Ducky said...

Have a quick watch of part 1 of Raising 16 Children on YouTube.
The narrator clearly says they've sold their house to the church next door!

Jim Bob then pipes up saying the house has been sold to the church next door to build softball fields.

Not sure why the church would buy their own house!
The deception started early with this family

Sharla said...

This comment was made by "Jim Phillips" on the Radaronline article about the ending of the Josiah and Marjorie courtship.

Bobbi said...

Just concluded emailing InTouch, Dateline, AR Attorney General Leslie Rutledge, AR Board of Education, & AR Child Protective Services regarding Jim Phillips post To DWP. The email was lengthy but thorough.

Chloe said...

Wonderful news. Marjorie is a smart girl & probably wasn't going to conform to obeying narcissistic & controlling Jim Bob. Doubt that Marjorie with her many talents & young age would choose to embrace continual pregnancy. Recently saw a photo of Marjorie wearing a pair of jeans she was with Josiah at an amusement park earlier this summer. Way to go Marjorie. I your face Jim Bob you lose again.

Pam said...

Bobbi, can you list the e-mails. I would like to contact them also. Especially CPS and the AR Board of Education.

Andrea said...

OK, so really, we don't know if any of this is true. Who is Jim Phillips?

Sharla said...

No, we don't know the truth of the statement in many cases. Some of it seems misstated. I found it interesting although probably not 100% factual. Jim Phillips is just the name the commenter chose to use. I thought that was plain. It's in the comments on the Radaronline article as I've stated twice. This comment, like everything else on the internet, is read and make your own decision.

Bobbi said...

Pam, here are the email addresses you requested..
Cecile Blucker AR Child Protective Services
Cecile.blucker@dhs.arkansas.gov

Alesia Alexander of Arkansas Board of Education
Alesia.Alexander@arkansas.gov

Leslie Rutledge of the Arkansas Attorney Generals Office
Log on to tthe website
ag.arkansas.gov/contact-us
Once you've logged on, complete your email information & send. Quickly, you should receive a reply of notification your email received.

Thank you for asking me.

cat said...

If it isnt true, it does make alot of sense to me and how they lived in that little house.TLC did alot for them and that designer Jimbob and Michelle said 'they hired' actually had her own program on TLC. He made many good points.

Willow said...

Thanks for all the info and clarification Sharla. So interesting and appreciated.

Helen Crump said...

I believe this post about the Duggars' past being quite different from what they have led us to believe. In "Alice's" post, the person who claims to have known the Duggars and said about the molestation situation, and Michelle not bathing her kids in years..was true; so I will believe this post here. This family lives out of reality and I believe that it's possible that they have lied to the public and to themselves for so long, that they believe their own lies to be true. Seriously, someone needs to investigate the legal documented history of what these peoples' lives were really like before TLC. The real estate ownership history is factual and documented in their county courthouse of recorded deeds, and their property tax assessor's office, etc. We need real proof that they have misled us all along and I believe that it's out there in plain view if one looks.
Of course their house was comped by TLC, so was that designer, the furniture and most of the appliances and fixtures....they pay for next to nothing..does anyone still believe that this family paid for their own trips to China, Japan, Israel, England etc? Not one penny came from their bank account...all TLC episode fodder.
Shame on them. They need to quit hiding behind God.

Mary Dunn said...

As a certified teacher in Georgia, I have a few details about homeschooling. First, the law in Arkansas governing home schools is 6-15-501 and the definition is 3.01 A "home school" is a school provided by a parent or legal guardian for his or her own child. By letter of the definition, Sierra can not provide home schooling to the Duggar children unless she is certified by the state as a teacher for the grades she teaches. Also, there is a section of this law 6-15-508 prohibiting home schooling if anyone in the household is or should be registered on the sex offender registry unless the student is the perpetrator. Since Josh wasn't reported in a timely manner, they escaped this rule. Furthermore, I don't think it is lawful or ethical for the older students to be the teachers. Whoever contacts social services or the school board can use this information. I am curious as to why only three of the older kids have GED's. They do have mandatory testing for home schoolers in Arkansas. Perhaps the Duggar children didn't make the scores needed to "graduate."

Misplaced Forgiveness said...

I just wanted to point out,for those writing to the Board of Education,I believe the Duggars broke one of the basic homeschooling rules,which states (correct me if I'm wrong) that just one person is to do the homeschooling,and listed as head of it,which I think Michelle stated was herself,in one of the episodes.Then she switched to Jessa doing it (who knows if she reregistered it) and didn't even Jill or one of the other girls do it before that as well? I may be wrong about the last part.Maybe it was just Jessa.
So now Sierra may be head of the homeschool.
I think that is a basic rule of it,though.One person is to do all the homeschooling,so as to keep the learning uniform and on the same page for all the kids,not switched around and done by different ppl,so as to confuse them


Esther said...

It is too bad that they can't get them for elderabuse of poor grandma.

Mary Dunn said...

Misplaced Forgiveness, it is my understanding that the parent much do the teaching as the definition clearly states his her own child...

Bobbi said...

Re the 3 Duggar kids who received a GED, once TLC began filming (this just a guess), the interest & or motivation to receive a GED was negated or placed on the back burner? Or perhaps the Duggars fooled themselves into beliving TLC was their saving grace & the remaing Duggar kids didn't need to complete their (pseudo) education. Although as I recall during an episode, one of the Duggat make children received his GED because there was a celebration to honor his accomplishment. I cannot recall name of the male child.

Willow said...

Thanks to those of you who investigated the Arkansas Homeschooling laws. I suspected as much. I wondered from day one if they were being properly tested or interviewed, or supervised, or whatever from the state. I didn't know how that worked. I don't know much about homeschooling in general. I used to think it had to be done under the direction of the designated school district. I just don't think its fair to homeschool your children if you are not dedicated to making sure they actually get educated. It has nothing to do with your religion/cult. Every child in America should have a minimum that they have to achieve. Period. JMO though.

KK said...

I would be entirely thrilled to hear that AK stepped in and forced them to send the kids to school. It's so so unlikely to happen though. I'm in OH, and after a couple bad instances of abuse that were hidden by homeschooling, a very progressive lawmaker in the state pushed for much much stricter laws and compliance issues for homeschooling - basically they had to be just as accountable as real teachers to the state. Oh my goodness did the homeschoolers raise a fit. The issue was dropped because of the outrage. Yea, god forbid they be held to strict standards like real teachers.

Arkansas is AR said...

I doubt Alaska cares.

Forgive don't sue said...

One point to consider making when writing to lawmakers about homeschooling,is the US is in debt for over 18+ trillion dollars...(most ppl have no idea how much money that is).It's HUGE.We're counting on future generations to pay off that debt.HOW are we going to do that if the next generation is uneducated/undereducated, or downright illiterate? I agree,there needs to be a minimum standard,and every child deserves a decent education.The way fundies and their ilk are going at it,that isn't going to happen.The Duggars are a good example of this.None of them,even the married ones now,are doing anything productive for this country.Producing more kids who are bound to be as undereducated as their parents doesn't count as productive.JMO

Abigail J. said...

It's frustrating to me when families abuse home schooling and don't follow proper guidelines and protocols. I was homeschooled K-12. Always took necessary testing. Graduated with a high school diploma, NOT a GED. Ranked in the top 10% of ACT scores in the state. Went to college and completed a degree in human biology. Got a master's degree and now work as a physician's assistant. Some parents do it right, but home schooling is given a bad rap because of the parents who don't follow the law and do whatever they want.

Buckeye said...

EXCELLENT point: Prior to TLC, the house provided by The Patriarch for his quivers was an absolute hovel, far too tiny for all the quivers that existed even back in the 14 count Duggar Days. it was a DUMP by any measure - nice job of providing for your fam, Patriarch.

also agree the Tinker Toy house on Landfill Lane would've remained in an uninhabitable construction state, if the TLC Gravy Train had not pulled into the pathetic white trash Duggar Depot. The Patriarch Peter Prinicipaled himself back when he stumbled upon another teen, Michelle, who could actually stand to be around him, and his dreams to this day remain far above his intelligence and ability. His talk has always been inversely proportional to his actual accomplishments. Patriarchy is a necessity for just this kind of man.

Many of us noted these things from the beginning, but we were regularly shouted down for a very long time by the fellow-dim bulb-Duggar-believers, who claimed The Patriarch was already a financially successful real estate GENIUS (all evidence to the contrary considering the weird Duggar PRIDE in buying USED shoes for the quivers and making their own soap (??!) to save $.).

We noted the abysmal ATI homeschooling and predicted serious financial problems for the quivers trying to enter the real world workforce, bringing nothing at all to the table except a pathetic ATI "Wisdom Book" bibliography and a seriously warped work ethic based on "Duggar Time" arrivals. We noted the obvious equation unbalance so proudly professed by the Duggars: ZERO education + an annual quiver x 25 years = what, class? Yes, dire poverty, and no, you are not so special that God is going to 'bless' away your ignorance and resultant financial woes.

we commented on the whole concept of side hugs, overly-frumpy attire, total cloister from the real world followed by asinine courtship, no hand holding till engagement and no kiss til the altar, and we fully expected the quivers to suffer total sexual naïveté if not perversion, and now we know just what the Duggar obsession with premarital 'purity' and post marital sex-on-demand yielded. Yes, Josh, I'm talking to you.

Obscenely, Patriarch and his Dutiful Wifey have YET to admit their bizarre approach to education, human sexuality, marriage, and interpersonal growth and maturation are guaranteed to send into the world anything BUT well grounded, intelligent humans to make the world a better place.

My guess is that Jim Bob was a high school loser, who surprised himself by snagging a hot (but dumb) cheerleader who fell for his BIBLE SALESMAN "charm". Michelle was probably a nice enough teen, who has never outgrown her need for a great deal of attention, and has been willing to fill that need by being constantly pregnant or nursing yet another quiver - all eyes on the ever-dutiful wife and Birthing/Lactation Machine. Nor has she outgrown her desire to remain a little girl needing a DADDY, hence her Bambi voice and happy willingness to absolve herself from adult decision and responsibility, preferring her DADDY-Patriarch to proudly release her from equality in marriage.

Way back, when this pathetic freak show started, so many of us noted the lack of respect for feminine rights and potential by Duggar Patriarchy. flash forward to now, when we have two Female Duggar quivers dutifully (ignorantly?) claiming incestual groping was 'no big deal' and we should just give their pedophilic brother a pass for merely being a teen, 'a little too interested in girls', so all of us should follow their lead by feeling sorrier for the abuser than his victims. for TLC to present this perverted Duggar/ Gothard rhetoric on sex abuse, pedophilia, and incest as a valid approach to addressing these important and very real issues is heinous.



Buckeye said...

EXCELLENT point: Prior to TLC, the house provided by The Patriarch for his quivers was an absolute hovel, far too tiny for all the quivers that existed even back in the 14 count Duggar Days. it was a DUMP by any measure - nice job of providing for your fam, Patriarch.

also agree the Tinker Toy house on Landfill Lane would've remained in an uninhabitable construction state, if the TLC Gravy Train had not pulled into the pathetic white trash Duggar Depot. The Patriarch Peter Prinicipaled himself back when he stumbled upon another teen, Michelle, who could actually stand to be around him, and his dreams to this day remain far above his intelligence and ability. His talk has always been inversely proportional to his actual accomplishments. Patriarchy is a necessity for just this kind of man.

Many of us noted these things from the beginning, but we were regularly shouted down for a very long time by the fellow-dim bulb-Duggar-believers, who claimed The Patriarch was already a financially successful real estate GENIUS (all evidence to the contrary considering the weird Duggar PRIDE in buying USED shoes for the quivers and making their own soap (??!) to save $.).

We noted the abysmal ATI homeschooling and predicted serious financial problems for the quivers trying to enter the real world workforce, bringing nothing at all to the table except a pathetic ATI "Wisdom Book" bibliography and a seriously warped work ethic based on "Duggar Time" arrivals. We noted the obvious equation unbalance so proudly professed by the Duggars: ZERO education + an annual quiver x 25 years = what, class? Yes, dire poverty, and no, you are not so special that God is going to 'bless' away your ignorance and resultant financial woes.

we commented on the whole concept of side hugs, overly-frumpy attire, total cloister from the real world followed by asinine courtship, no hand holding till engagement and no kiss til the altar, and we fully expected the quivers to suffer total sexual naïveté if not perversion, and now we know just what the Duggar obsession with premarital 'purity' and post marital sex-on-demand yielded. Yes, Josh, I'm talking to you.

Obscenely, Patriarch and his Dutiful Wifey have YET to admit their bizarre approach to education, human sexuality, marriage, and interpersonal growth and maturation are guaranteed to send into the world anything BUT well grounded, intelligent humans to make the world a better place.

My guess is that Jim Bob was a high school loser, who surprised himself by snagging a hot (but dumb) cheerleader who fell for his BIBLE SALESMAN "charm". Michelle was probably a nice enough teen, who has never outgrown her need for a great deal of attention, and has been willing to fill that need by being constantly pregnant or nursing yet another quiver - all eyes on the ever-dutiful wife and Birthing/Lactation Machine. Nor has she outgrown her desire to remain a little girl needing a DADDY, hence her Bambi voice and happy willingness to absolve herself from adult decision and responsibility, preferring her DADDY-Patriarch to proudly release her from equality in marriage.

Way back, when this pathetic freak show started, so many of us noted the lack of respect for feminine rights and potential by Duggar Patriarchy. flash forward to now, when we have two Female Duggar quivers dutifully (ignorantly?) claiming incestual groping was 'no big deal' and we should just give their pedophilic brother a pass for merely being a teen, 'a little too interested in girls', so all of us should follow their lead by feeling sorrier for the abuser than his victims. for TLC to present this perverted Duggar/ Gothard rhetoric on sex abuse, pedophilia, and incest as a valid approach to addressing these important and very real issues is heinous.



Misplaced Forgiveness said...

Good point,Buckeye.I don't think Michelle had very much parenting,and was allowed to do whatever she wanted.Then Daddy Jim Bob came along,making the 'Godly' rules and making her feel special.What parent lets their child get married at 17 and thinks they're ready for it?
Her parents moved out of state,at that.So they were not there for her to lean on and get support from,if she needed it.Jim Bob probably convinced her he was all she needed,and she bought it.
If a guy had come along and changed my daughter so much...her clothes,lifestyle,even had guilt tripped her into quitting cheerleading,something she loved....we'd be having a very big talk about that! And we would not have allowed a marriage at age 17..she'd be coming with us on the move.
I think Michelle was easy prey for JB,for starters,due to the lack of parenting she had.

Willow said...

Great post as always Buckeye.

Misplaced: I agree about Michelle's parenting. Does anyone know anything more about her childhood, teen years? I think its a little strange there hasn't been one word about her mom. She never mentions her. Isn't that weird or is it just me? I wonder if she and her mom were not very close. It appears there was no one in her family to influence her, especially as they were living elsewhere and apparently they were estranged due to Jim Bob and Michelle's extreme ways. I think Jim Bob's dad tried to help but didn't have much luck.

Heart in Florida said...

Misplaced Forgiveness, what kind of a picture is history painting of teenage Michelle? In an early episode, one of her sisters commented on camera that Michelle was a willful child and the more her parents said "no" to her, the more she insisted on what she wanted...that I believe was the case with marrying at such a young age. I, also agree, that at 17, she didn't know very much. I suspect that at that time her parents were tired of her antics, and perhaps also tired of battling with her, as they were older themselves and maybe were just a big glad to "unload" her on Jim Bob...

Heart in Florida said...

I fail to see how being stalked in a laundry room and cornered in it by your brother, no less, is being "just a little to curious about girls"? This is not anything like that, but premeditated disgusting actions. How can these parents look at themselves in the mirror? How can Josh go on TV, pontificate on how the rest of us should live, and go "public" in DC with it also, standing there as a paragon of example? I'd like the real questions asked, the real issues addressed and the true situations there brought to light honestly, fairly, but justly. These people need to have their "feet put to the fire". Don't they say, "confess you sins"? These two sure haven't.

Aunt Bea said...

Willow, in much earlier posts here, someone commented, who claims to have known them and the situations back then, that it was Michelle who dumped her family for Jim Bob. Her siblings and parents didn't "abandon" her; but she, them.

Also this teen Michelle, admitted to shooting crabapples with her sling shot at passing cars on her block as a "kid". She also, said, "gee that could have damaged those cars"! This young Michelle Ruark, seems to have been a spoiled, get what I want at any cost, clothes fashion plate, attention seeker of a girl How could have Cindy been her best friend from first grade through twelfth? Maybe she was just like her....two "troublemakers" in the class.

Michelle's uniform of fundamentalism at this time, long hair, dark stockings, old lady shoes, denim skirts and cotton blouses seem to be her badge of shame of herself for her sins of yesterday, (in her opinion)...she's making it up to the Lord on how she dressed and behaved as a kid and a teen...a 180deg turn around; frump city..

Mary Dunn said...

Look at all the lawsuits Jim Bob has been involved with. That tells me he is not upfront and honest. I still think Josh was molested. There is something not adding up to me. Watching his wedding video and hearing him brag about saving his first kiss and being an example to others in the audience makes me sick. Lies by omission...given the circumstances, purity should never have been a highlight of the courtship.

Just Plain Offended said...

Which three have GEDs? Did Michelle give the rest of them high school diplomas? Maybe this is a patriarch thing where only the boys need GEDs.

Mary said...


Hi

I don't believe the older kids hahve GED"S. GED"S from where? Quviveer Land. Those older kids do not know anything. Plus if the Duggars say they got one I believe its just another lie

Mary said...

Hi

Watching the deate last night I wish MS Kelly asked the duggars the hard questions
Mary

Meme said...

Does anyone have an update on the lawsuit? Loved your post, Buckeye. Jim Phillips must have some sort of connection to the Duggars. Wasn't that post interesting?

Cedric said...

Somewhere on line I read that a Doug Phillips has a connection to the deceitful Duggars.

Just Me said...

Michelle once said that the kids finish their schooling at 16. She said sometimes she takes them to whatever State Agency is there in AR for them to take a test for their GED. She never said who she took for the exam or why. Was it just boys? Who knows? These people lie so much they wouldn't know the truth if it hit them in the face

Cedric said...

GED = Great Education Destroyed

Living in Indy said...

I believe the buy used & save the difference the motto of Jim Bob Duggar was always a ruse & never really followed by the Duggars. With that many children there's no way they saved the difference. I don't believe the Duggars were ever debt free as well. Obviously, if it weren't for TLC saving the Duggars butts they would still be buying used & NOT saving any difference but still relying on the kindness & charity of their church & perhaps (this is a long shot), the creepy Gothard Cult. TLC paid for every Duggars passport & trips outside if the USA & the two Duggar daughters weddings & their honeymoons. So, the Duggars fool no one about the cost of their daughters weddings. Actually, Jim Bib & Michelle are the Biggest Fools of All!!

KatieP said...

Michelle why lie? What purpose does it serve Jim Bob & you? It's clear that just three Duggar Kids received a GED. Stop the lies & stop insulting the intelligence of American viewers who once chose to watch the lies of 19 Kids.

Marie said...

I follow this blog because it is the place to hear first when they are being arrested.
I can't believe anyone else could have lived like this taking advantage of people without any pay back. With this family I am sure karma will balance out in the
end.

Irish Rose said...

I suspect that Jim Philips was a member of the camera crew. Who else would have such a vast amount of inside knowledge of the Duggar household?

Willow said...

Doug Phillips was head of Vision Forum which is now defunct due to his misdeeds. Not sure how good of "friends" he was with the Duggars, but they inter-mingled in some Evangelical-type circles. There is film on 19 Kids of Mrs. Phillips coming to Michelle's house in Little Rock to take her for the infamous Mother of the Year award. You can research Doug Phillips and Vision Forum on the net. More "interesting" Duggar affiliations. Doug Phillips is not the one who wrote the article.

Cedric said...

When I wrote about Doug Phillips affiliation with the Duggars, I was quite aware that he is not Jim Phillips. I wrote about Doug because I was curious there may be some sort of relation (relative) between Jim & Doug? However, you make a valid point. Thanks.

Bobbi said...

Irish Rose, OMG your comment makes complete sense. I recall Michelle & some of the Duggar kids mentioning a cameraman named Jim. This could be the Jim Phillips who wrote this insightful piece about the deceitful Duggars. Thanks for this post.

KimmieH said...

With the cancellation of 19 Kids, Jim Bob Duggar needs to become painfully aware that "All Glory is Fleeting".

funtally said...

I doubt cameraman Jim is "Jim Phillips," I'm sure he would lose his job posting that. I'm sure it's a pseudonym.

Auggie said...

I believe Jim Goodwin not Phillips was the 'boom' man working with the Duggar's camera crew. However, maybe it is the same person using another name. The crew may have had to sign confidentiality contracts and aren't able to spill the real beans. Or as Cedric has suggested maybe Jim & Doug Phillips are related. If Doug is a Gothardite, I'm sure he has tons of kids.

No Longer Anonymous said...

With all the speculation who Jim Phillips really is, wouldn't it be great if it was one of the 19 kids, but probably not likely. It could, however, be someone in J-Blob's or Meechelle's extended family.

Heather said...

Do you think that Josh and family moved right into Jill and Derek's place, after they left, and do you think they left in a hurry so Josh could move in?

Willow said...

Good point Cedric. I think we are on the same page about that.

Syndee said...

Couldn't they have all fit in that big house? Would that be a problem to have said, oh my brother and family are moving in.

Chloe said...

This applies to the Duggars....

ATI = All The Idiots or Ignorance
GED = Getting Education Destroyed

Rudy Tecat said...

They could all live in Jacksonville... there is plenty of room there.

Bobbi said...

Just logged on to chicagonow.com running with a bookcart a blog by a woman named Holly. Holly carefully provided details about the Gothard Cult, IBLP, ATI & about the "Pearls" book "train up a child". This book obviously written in the 19th century or earlier, endorses beating children with a rod as well as "blanket training". Holly provides several important points as to why the Duggars are absolutely in a cult. Holly also provides her email address & that one may contact her via Twitter as well. I read & then re read the points about the Duggars involvement within the Gothard Cult. This explains the reason why the Duggars are only capable of excepting people who think & believe as they do. It also explains the reason the Duggars will never be forgiving of any person(s) who do not think & behave as they do. The Duggars & unfortunately as a result of Jim Bob & Michelle commiting to this cult, the Duggar kids are collateral damage & brainwashed to the level where they may never realize the ignorance, stupidity & abuse perpetuated by these two idiots for parents. It's so sad & I don't believe any credible agency from Arkansas will care enough to intervene on behalf of the Duggar children. I still believe & am diligently emailing the media for the purpose of encouraging them to produce a documentary to Expose the heinous Gothad Cult & the damage it's causing or rather costing children within this Cult by eliminating independent thought, extreme reduced education, expressing their voice, choice but most of all living in the USA & Deyning their Freedom. To me this is so heartbreaking. I just want to shake or scream Jim Bob & Michelle into reality.

KimmieH said...

Heather, I am curious as to whether or not Josh & Anna moved into Derick & Jill's former house. I read that prior to returning back to Arkansas, Josh & Anna had purchased a house close to Daddy Duggar. The house did not appear to be Derick & Jill's. However with Josh's recent termination from the FRC, perhaps the purchase of the house I saw on line fell through & now, Josh, Anna & the four kids have moved into Derick & Jill's former house. Basically the entire Duggar clan are just a bunch of uneducated & dumb downed hicks. This includes the two sons in law.

Willow said...

There have been numerous Instagram and etc. pics of Duggars and their friends and relatives working on Josh and Anna's Arkansas house (the one they purchased before they left D.C.). It was a home they purchased that needed a lot of work. If I remember correctly, it might have been a foreclosure. Before Jill and Derick left for the mission field, there were pictures showing several folks (Sierra and Jana as well as others) working on that house for Josh and Anna. There was also a picture of Jill entertaining the little kids while others worked. The newest pictures were posted by David Waller on his website. Anna's parents and brothers as well as David and Priscilla were in Arkansas to see the new baby. There is a picture of David and Josh working on Josh and Anna's house. I think they are getting that house ready to move into (its in Siloam Springs, AR) and are staying with Ma and Pa Duggar until they move into it (maybe the guest house ?). I haven't seen anything to indicate they are moving into Jill and Derick's house.

Bobbi said...

I just sent an email to Verity Univ Indpls campus about the Duggars upcoming conference & the Gothard Cult. I clearly expressed my opinions.
Email is: info@verityinstitute.org

Aunt Bea said...

Is Verity Unov one of 'their unaccredited' schools? Now from wearing skirts, they are requiring women to wear MAXI skirts and a t-shirt? What happens if someone shows up in a blouse and a below the knee skirt? Will they be labeled a hussy?
So utterly silly.

Willow said...

Thanks Bobbi. I am going to send one also. I'm sure it falls on deaf ears, but at least they will know that some people can see right through them!

Ellyn said...

Aunt Bea, yes it's preposterous to say the least. Perhaps if someone showed up to this conference wearing a blouse & below the new skirt dumb Duggars would probably yell Nike when they should yell Gothard. Each time these dumb Fundies yell Nike they insult the Nike Company. These Duggars just keep on whistling a happy tune skipping down the road to Stupidville. They are just nuts.

Living in Indy said...

Not surprisingly, Verity Univ isn't an accredited college. Earlier today, I drove past Verity Univ located on Broookville Riad here in Indpls. It's hardly what I would refer to as a campus. Actually, it's basically one or two buildings well it's pathetic. From what I've learned VU is affiliated with the Gothard Cult. So this poor excuse for a college is in my home city of Indpls. It's disgusting. Yuch!

Cedric said...

I find it quite interesting that if one posts to the Duggars facebook, twitter or blog & expresses the truth or honest opinion about The Gothard Cult, Josh Duggar or Jim Bob & Michelle's behavior, immediately the posts are errased. So this means the Duggars Cannot handle or face Truth. They just want posts from people who worship, adore & fall for their Beg-A-Thon. The Duggars cannot respond to Truth because to them, Truth & Accountability do not exist in their pathetic Gothard Cult lives. I am sure when one confronts them via social media expressing Truth they probably begin to become disturbed, make a face, perhaps cry, & then delete the posts. Just guessing. Oh the deceitful Duggars they just keep showing up just as I can imagine a cockroach would show up.

Misplaced Forgiveness said...

Perhaps Nike should sue the Duggars for misuse of their name,and slandering their product,by suggesting only hussies wear their items? Just a thought.it's in their book as well,right there in print,that they say Nike! whenever they are out and about and se someone whom they feel is improperly dressed to suit them

Chloe said...

Misplaced Forgiveness, thanks for the suggestion regarding Nike. I am considering contacting Nike to advise the dumb Dugga's are shouting their name to women whom they believe are not dressed in the way they approve. Hey Duggars this is the USA we women will always choose to dress as it suits us. If you don't approve we don't frigging care. It's not your business. If it bothers you so much, then the Duggarcwomen should begin to wear burkas

Virginia said...

I think that what is so interesting with the Duggars and others in the "cult" is that they put all the responsibility for the guys behavior on the women. It is up to the women to yell "Nike" so the men don't look. It is up to the women to dress modestly so as to not tempt the men. If a young girl is molested by her brother, it is HER responsibility to forgive him and I suspect that the Duggars found some way to blame the girls. That is what makes me so angry and breaks my heart for those girls. It is NOT they responsibility to keep a man from thinking inappropriate thoughts. It is NOT her responsibility to make sure a man doesn't see something that he shouldn't. It is DEFINITELY no woman or girls fault if a pervert forces himself on her or fondles her. Their way of thinking pretty much gives men a free ride in life and places so much guilt on women. I would LOVE to see one of those Duggar woman declare as soon as she is out from under daddy and mommy's thumb that she is NOT wearing those stupid clothes, that she IS getting an education and that she is NOT going to become a baby factory. It is all just so incredibly sad.

Chloe said...

What I want most from Jim Bob & Michelle Duggar is their Absence. Their Absence from TV, speaking engagements, blogs & social media. They just need to remain in pretend land, worshiping their Gothard Cult God on the Duggar compound.

Mary Poppins said...

Why would TLC tear down the unstable part of the house that JB built, restart and then finish the entire project and then PAY JB $200,000? Shouldn't JB have paid them for their work???? JB got $200,000 and a new house? WTH!

The Duggars have found a way to survive, prosper, have 19 kids and all without having jobs. Even when he worked in government, it appears JB was absent more than he was present.

The worst part about this entire thing is that for a good, long time it worked, and NOW IT'S ALL THE KIDS KNOW. JB is fine. JB has assets. Those kids are all in for a long, hard life. Most will probably end up living in poverty if they do not break ties with the cult.

Marie said...

The family has certainly taken a huge amount of money from TLC through the years. Have they paid taxes on this income? Is it possible to have the internal revenue service look into the head of household?

It is also unbelievable that an executive director would not know to file taxes. Wouldn't a pay stub show a withdrawal? He had to be following his religious leader on taxes.

Someone wrote about Josh not understanding finance reports when he was in WASHINGTON. Even though it is believable, how do you know?



Helen Crump said...

Mary Poppins, if I remember correctly, when TLC stepped in on the TTH project, what Jim Bob and "the boys" had done was not in compliance with the local building codes, so it HAD to torn down and re-done properly. I doubt that Mr. Duggar sought county inspection in the first place before proceeding to the next step of construction...also, I don't understand why child labor didn't look in to this matter. Children handling heavy power equipment bigger than they are and improper footwear, clothing and dangling long hair I'm sure is against safety regulations.

Chloe said...

Josh always comes off as a "know it all" clearly the ATI homeschooling & GED was extremely limited. To add to that, Jish not understanding finance reports & this idiot was the former Director of the FRC? This speaks volumes about the lack of intelligence & management of this FRC hate group. Any person within the executive branch of the FRC should have had their head examined. I mean Josh Duggar? The only reason Josh Duggar was appointed the position of Director was because of the visibility from the 19 Kids reality program it was never about brains, education or intelligence.

Heart in Florida said...

Like the old "Alice post" being true after all this time, I also believe this post as being true. I'd bet that this is an accurate account of the Duggars. I'd challenge them to disprove it...line by line. Any takers out there, JB and Michelle? Grandma?

Heart in Florida said...

Before Josh was hired for the FRC, I had never heard of this organization...that proves to me to a degree that that's why they hired him...to get their name around.

Tori said...

What was the "old Alice post"? Where could I find it?

Bobbi said...

Heart in FL, Never thought of this concept which now makes perfect sense. The FRC is a disgusting hate group targeting every gay, transgender, pro choice groups. They are truly an elitist religious right group. Now that Josh was terminated from the FRC, perhaps their 15 minutes of fame will fade away.

sandi said...

Was 'executive director' at FRC a made up position for Josh,or was there a previous exec. director? Is there one now? Perhaps that would be very telling

Heart in Florida said...

Re: Tori and the "Alice post"...there was an article written some years ago by someone who called themselves "Alice" and claimed to have known the Duggars personally. This, I think, was written around 2009. "Alice" stated that Michelle hadn't bathed her children in years, that it was the sisters' jobs to do so, some of her children hadn't seen the inside of a grocery store, EVER...that they were isolated in their home...she also referred to the "Josh molestation" incident, which she claimed DID happen and she was accurate, that only 4 of the 5 older sisters were "affected", the oldest one, NOT affected. The truths this person went on to reveal about the lack of quality in Michelle's motherly performance were astounding to me...Since the statements in "her" post proved to be true years later, this makes me inclined to believe this revealing post also to be true. Like I said, I challenge the Duggar parents to disprove it....line by line.
I'm sorry I can't remember exactly where this "Alice" post was, but it was here on one of these sites...if any poster knows where to find it, please advise... Thanks again guys...

Sharla said...

Josh wasn't the executive director of FRC but of FRC Action a tiny offshoot.

Sharla said...

Alice can be found here: http://www.ibiblio.org/bascha/blog/2006/03/21/gigantic-family-day-on-tlc/.

Just scroll down or search on the page for Alice.

Bobbi said...

Sharla, Thanks for the correction. Good to know.

sandi said...

Sharla,thx for the FRC info

MelodyJ said...

Chloe, I doubt that Joshua was ever officially an Executive Director at FRC. In my opinion, the job title was only an artificial one for appearances only. One time I looked on FRC's web page and Joshua was never listed on the site as one of their staff. I wonder what will become of any of the Duggar children. It would be interesting for someone to do a follow up 20-30 years to see what these kids lives are like. I also believe that TLC financed their trips to China, Japan and Europe because there's no way that they could have paid for these trips on their own. Now that the show is canceled, let's see how many trips to Europe they make unless they find someone else to finance the trips.

Sharla said...

One last try - Josh was at FRC - Action. It had two or three employees. It's a tiny offshoot of FRC.

Tammy C said...

Wow who was Alice.That was a good read to pass time this morning.

Bobbi said...

Melody, Perhaps this is the reason the Youtube Beg-A-Thon was initiated by the Duggars?

MelodyJ said...

Sharla, I am aware that Josh was not the Executive Director of FRC and had a director position with FRC Action which is an offshoot. I apologize for not making that clear in my post. Keep up the good work with this blog. Have a good day.

Gofish said...

Nike means victory in Greek, which is why the company chose the name. I don't think Nike owns the word, it is still used in the Greek language, as much as the Duggars should be sued for something.

Helen Crump said...

Tammy C: We don't know who "Alice" is, nor that Alice is a female for that matter. It was an insightful, now knowingly truthful and accurate, assessment of the Duggar family. It, to me, was written by someone who was being truthful and really did or does know the Duggars personally. I'd like them to address THAT post. It'll never happen, sadly.

sandi said...

True,Gofish,but the Duggars imply Nike is the show brand they are speaking of when they look down at their feet and yell Nike!,they mean 'look at your shoes'

Tori said...

Thanks for the information about Alice when I inquired. I had never read that. It's obvious that she personally knows the family. It would be interesting if she would write more.

sandi said...

I meant shoe brand,not show brand,sorry

Helen Crump said...

I would say in light of things revealed about the Duggar family, I would say this guy's post is 'spot on' and completely accurate. What say you, Duggars? Respond to this account of your lives.

Willow said...

They will never admit, discuss or explain in any way; narcissists never do!! That's what makes them different from everyone else. They just can't/won't do it. They are missing the humble gene. (JMO of course).

sandi said...

Willow,yes,that reminds me of Kate Gosselin as well.Both she and JB made good tv fodder,due to their quirky personalities,even though both are as different as night and day.I think they are both full blown narricists.Kate could never be married to someone like JB,as she is the boss,and JB could never have a wife like Kate,as she is not submissive.But they both made for an interesting show.And actually,I hope Kate never remarries.She can only love herself,imo

Sugar Land said...

I have a thought about Jill and Derrick taking off to serve as missionaries.
Maybe they just wanted to get away from all of the nastiness and embarrassment.
This happened so quickly after just having a baby and Derrick had a decent job.

My other thought was - Michelle probably was sending a lot of the younger kids to Jill and Derricks house so she wouldn't have to homeschool, bathe her young kids,
cook dinner or actually interact with her children, in other words she wouldn't have
to parent. Jim boob and and trance face Michelle figured they gave them that big house
so they could take Jill's siblings and Derick was probably like " We are out of here, Jill it's either us or them."

Laura B said...

As of this year Arkansas no longer requires any testing of homeschool students courtesy of the Republican-controlled legislature.

Rose Meyer said...

In the 2006 police report, one of the Duggars says the molestations took place in the house they RENTED next to the church.

Rose Meyer said...

By that standard, few of the kids have been homeschooled because Jessa is not their parent or legal guardian.

sandi said...

Re: As of this year Arkansas no longer requires any testing of homeschool students courtesy of the Republican-controlled legislature.

I'm wondering how they think the massive debt the US in,$18 trillion,is going to be paid off, with a whole new, next generation that is uneducated/undereducated.It's a recipe for sending us straight down the tubes