Free Discussion, July, 2016

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Londonbridges said...

Happy Canada Day to my fellow Canadian posters! Enjoy the day, and please take good care.

Chloe said...

OMG NO!! Just learned TLC has renewed Counting On. WHY! It was SO Boring the first time. I could only manage to watch one episode. Jim Bob is an idiot every time he opens his mouth Stupidty Flows...

Willow said...

Just a little observation. Both Duggar males that have courted had a failed first courtship. Both Bates males that have courted have had a failed first courtship. Odd, 4 males between them and 4 males who had to go on to a 2nd courtship. I am not really sure that Josh's first one should count, as he was only about 15 or so and it was arranged by his parents. However, technically, he did have a "girlfriend" before Anna. On the other hand, all the females from both families -- so far -- have been successful with the first courtship. Just a random observation. Not really important at all. I am not criticizing anyone, just thought it was kind of unusual. Have a great Independence Day everyone, and Happy Canada Day as well to those in Canada.

Gina Marie A. said...

Did Michelle and Jimbob start Josh " a courtin" at the tender age of 15 because he was messing with his sisters and it was a good way to get him out of the and not be with his sisters anymore?

amy kahan said...

True and interesting but maybe it's good they don't marry the first person. Most people who do "regular" dating dont marry their first date.

laura said...

Jessa's Instagram photo of her in the gym- unwise to wear improper footwear.
She is not really working out, no one who knows what they are doing would EVER pose like that with that bar, SO unsafe. Ben is a Brainless letting her look like a fool to post that online for the real world to see.
No one who takes their fitness seriously would ever show up to a gym dressed like that, they would be kicked out, at least in the real world, where most of us live- on Planet Earth.
As someone who actually works out and plays sports, its insulting to the rest of us who work hard to play the game called 'oh look, we are the duggars and because we say something people will believe us.'
Some positions that one must carry out in order use machines or weights can really showcase some parts of the body.
Working out IS. NOT. MODEST. It's, hot sweaty, brutal and requires a level of motivation and dedication that they do not possess, excluding Ben who seems capable of very little except for working out and fixing his 'HUH? Look on his face.
These posers wouldn't last a second if presented with a real, true gym routine.
Oh lawdy and PLEASE. No more pathetic selfies of you/spouse kissing. LAME. How is that modest?
These people need to hang out with the Amish, that is REAL(to say over the top) modesty.

Andrea Jeluso said...

Just checked out the ridiculous "Jessa work out pic". She standing there in a tight skirt (are her skirts getting shorter??, flimsy shoes, her hair not pinned up and her hands not in position to pick up the weights. It's totally staged. What in the world is the boy Ben doing with his days..hanging around taking photos with the useless girls?? What about his degree from some religious "college"? Is he not using it to earn a living for his family? did he give up being a rapper?? Looks like Ben & Jessa have discovered birth control as the horrific home birth of their huge baby and subsequent uncontrollable bleeding must have terrified them. They are living in a delusional world, thinking they are special and what they do is of interest to others. It is of interest, yes, but not in the way the think,

too bad,so sad said...

Laura-the staged workout was just so obvious to those of us that go to the gym. On another site posters were stating as you did how unsafe it is to wear ballet shoes to lift. I was just thinking it was one in a long line of situations where the Duggars show they have no understanding of etiquette nor do they seem to even care about following rules for behavior in different situations. I have been in different gyms and all of them have posted signs "work out attire required, no street shoes allowed" The photo looks like a gym and not a private home, so I don't understand why she isn't dressed appropriately.

I don't watch the show, but have seen clips posted online. They don't seem able or willing, I don't know which, to pick up on cues to proper behavior or other peoples feelings. I saw the clip of the Duggars entering the Japanese school room and felt it was cringe worthy. If someone bows, easy just do the same. Most of the kids didn't return the bow, some only gave a little nod. They did not pick up on how disrespectful that was.

I can't understand why TLC doesn't prepare them with more knowledge and understanding before they go out places.

lisa magines said...

ok if they are doing another season then show the truth about these kids? I would love to see a real day in the life of Ben and Jessa? still waiting for the real job Ben hold doing for Jim bod? nothing the counting on money is the job he holds. doing odd jobs for daddy digger to make it look real for the fans?

Sharon said...

I think the photo was taken in the Duggar warehouse gym so no rules there.

roddma said...

I read Nathan Bates and Ashley are no longer courting. Kelly says they can still be friends, and put their pic up. They will try to spin it some way because you know a courting is better than heathen dating.

I still don't get the Bates love. I recall a photo a couple of weeks ago they posted saying "Boys playing with their toys" and it was a train or race car set. SO girls can't play with "boys" toys? They also let Jeb split wood. Isn't he a bit young to be handling an axe?

Gil gave up a good job at Nabisco years ago so he could focus on 'ministry'. It seems they allow more freedom, but the Bateses never had the finances of the Duggars. Who says they wouldn't be like the Duggars if they had the money before their fame? THey have to let their kids work.

And while ALyssa now has a house keeping business and was a florist, those aren't outside the realm of ATI/Quiverfull.I know photography, florist, beautician and nursing are allowed 'feminine' careers.

too bad,so sad said...

Sharon, you are so right. Not an outside gym. I just saw an enlargement of the photo and there is a refrigerator in the background. Still doesn't explain why ballet slippers and not proper foot wear.

Aunt Bea said...

"Nurse" may be an ATI/Quiverfull female allowed pass time until marriage, but it's a closely guarded field. They can only be around other females in that setting, so a real nurse is out of the question for them. I'm sure they aren't allowed any male patients to even take blood pressure from. That's why child bearing assistant positions are an approved activity. Sad to see that Jill, ie, going from wanting to be a nurse was ushered in to pseudo-midwifery and only for like-minded women as patients. She never trained in a hospital or in the real world at all.

Smokey said...

Did anyone see Derek's instagram he posted? Seriously he looks terrible. He reminds me of one of the Andes survivors. Extremely gaunt.

Jak&Jil said...

I'm not really surprised Nathan and Ashley are no longer courting. I caught the Bates episode where Ashley was in town for "I Love You Day," and Nathan and Ashley went out to lunch with Gil and Kelly. First of all, when they arrived at the restaurant, Nathan walked in next to his mother leaving Ashley all by herself. I kinda saw the writing on the wall right there. At the table, Ashley starts talking about their opposite personalities and differences they are having. Ashley was doing all the talking while Nathan sat there looking more miserable than I have ever seen anyone look. My take is that Ashley is a city girl and doesn't want to be a country girl. Also, Nathan doesn't have any kind of a career to support a family besides working with his dad. That could have been another issue. Then I saw another episode where Nathan is telling Gil and Kelly that he and Ashley broke up, and Nathan started crying! I just don't really what to think about it all.

lisa mc gins said...

i agree with smokey derrick looks so awful like he is really sick? hope he is ok? I still think somethings up with Jill and derrick and maybe they are stuggleing in their marriage or derrick is having health issues? they need to come home quick and get medical help quick?

Andrea said...

It's shocking how much Dereck's looks have changed. Imagine he had gained 100lbs sort of shocking, but instead he's likely lost 20lbs off an already slender frame. Also, his choice to write about depression is perhaps an indication of what he is going through. It's actually scary. I hope Jill is ok and wish she was home with her parents. I'm seriously concerned for her well being after seeing photos of Dereck. Imagine being trapped in a foreign country and your husband appears to be losing his head. I realize that she made her bed; she's an adult, etc. but honestly, he's creepy and scary looking.

Lu said...

Oh,my goodness! This is just horrible.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BHdFSbGBzFs/?taken-by=jillmdillard&hl=en

Andrea said...

In case anyone was interested. Nothing really new here, but interesting IBLP existed for so many years and no one in the Chicago suburbs really gave it much thought. Seems they have since moved Head Quarters to Big Sandy, TX.

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/July-2016/Institute-in-Basic-Life-Principles-Hinsdale/?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=Facebook+above+story+29854+Jun+24+2016+21%3A37

Meme said...

I have never thought much was wrong with Derick, just figured he was enjoying being hairy and bushy due to being in CA and away from nagging in-laws or parents. He DID look too skinny but I just figured that having any time of oral surgery attributed to that. But now, with this latest Instagram photo - have you guys seen it? That young man looks so gaunt, with dark circles under his eyes and sunken, hollow cheeks. His hair is long, etc. Now I wonder about all those family visits to CA. Something doesn't feel right. Derick really does look bad.

Chela said...

Thanks for posting link to DD's recent picture! I wanted to do a side by side comparison, but cant on my tablet. He may be very depressed by the results of surgery. Some are saying he is fasting for religeous reasons. I think there is something wrong with mental & physical health. I sure hope he has been checked by a real physician.

Just Ridiculous said...

Sorry Andrea but I don't have an ounce of sympathy for Jill. Those girls have always said & emphasized in their book "Growing Up Duggar," that other young women should do as they were planning to do, absolutely get Daddy involved in the selection of the man they were going to spend their life with. They are all wiling to let Daddy choose who they will court & marry. You are correct that she made her own bed. However they are all so far from being adult women it's ridiculous. I agree there is something seriously wrong in their marriage but what else could you expect when you have never even had a private conversation with the man you are engaged to? All you know is that he is Daddy's "Prayer Partner." Daddy approves of him as a husband for you so you marry him, even though you really don't know anything about him. What are his goals in life? How much do you know about his background, his likes & dislikes. Do they match up with yours or just with what Daddy wants. I have always found it more than just a bit suspicious that out of nowhere Daddy Duggar had this "Prayer Partner" in a foreign country that he has never even met but he was willing to take you to meet him in a thinly veiled attempted to arrange a marriage for you. Jill is no more an adult woman than a 12 yr. old. Jim Bob is a snake in the grass.

Also A Nurse said...

Re:Aunt Bea's comment about "Nurse" being such a closely guarded field. I don't believe Jill was ever really serious about becoming a nurse. It was just something else the Duggars tossed around when Josie was in the NICU. She never took any type of exams to apply to a nursing school, that we ever heard about. She then went on to the midwifery career. I remember how pleased Michelle & Jim Bob were sending Jill & Jana off to start their careers. Michelle saying "just think Daddy, our babies will be delivering babies." Jana didn't even pretend that she wanted to become a doula. She was sent along to watch over Jill. As a nurse myself all I can picture is Jill catheterizing a male patient!!

Nancy said...

Dillard looks positively frightening. How could he have aged so much in a year. The sunken eyes, wrinkles...he looks like he has some wasting away disease. Why did he go to Central American so suddenly with a wife hardy recovered from a traumatic birth experience and a newborn baby? So many answered questions...but time will tell. His recent instagram posting is way out there....he has no medical background to be advising people. He looks crazy delusional. Where is that normal accountant with a regular job??

Marla said...

Jill and Dillard need to come back home before something tragic happens. He seems to have lost it....posting crazy advise regarding depression. He looks horrible as if he needs an intervention. I'm still waiting to hear all about their ministry, how they are saving Catholics (how dare they?) and making a positive difference in the lives of the local residents (listen to me sing and you will get a bottle of water). I have a feeling the locals must be shocked at the decline of this missionary man and gossip is running wild among the locals about the strange couple who has come into their village and have so many visitors from the USA, compete with a camera crew.

lizzy10 said...

Just Ridiculous, it's tempting not to have any sympathy for the "adult" children of Michelle and Jim Bob, but; don't we all put adult in quotes, literally or figuratively? As real adults we recognize how stunted the life experiences these people have, we realize that they are in a soul sucking cult and that all traces of self are extinguished via blanket training, indoctrination and just plain stupidity on the part of their parents. I will always have vast amounts of sympathy for all of them, even Josh, because I just can't believe his proclivities were created in a vacuum; children live what they learn. Not getting a child who displays that behaviour the help he needs, not getting his victims the help they so desperately need, is a monumental failure on the part of the "parents" of these children. The bigger question in all of this is; why? Why wouldn't you get your children help? Why do you beat them down until no spark of life shows in their eyes, until they parrot forgiveness imposed upon them? What are the "parents" hiding? So yes, I'll always have sympathy for these "adults". Too bad their "parents" could care less about them, but maybe we could.

amy kahan said...

I was finally able to see the pic on instagram. Even his shoulders and neck look gaunt. It can't be the angle because Jilly Muffin looks the same I really hope he gets some medical help fast.

laura said...

Jill dyed her hair it looks really looks like. She looks good but shouldn't she be doing her 'job' down there helping improve others' lives? (Coughs with discreet laughter)

Derick reminds me of Nathan Price from The Poisonwood Bible and we all know what direction that went in.

The only way for those 2 to help ANYONE down there is to get the away from them. They are probably a laughingstock.

Poor Israel.

Just Ridiculous said...

Re: izzy10 comments. You certainly make many good points in your comments about sympathy for all the Duggar children. I always had a great deal of sympathy for them too. However, their live have taken a different turn now & I see them as the grifters that their parent are. I cannot believe that both Jill & Jessa were not completely aware that they were taking full advantage of the generosity of their fans when they registered for all those expensive gifts for both their weddings & when they were expecting their babies. People that they didn't know & will probably never meet, just opened their wallet or took out their credit cards to provide those girls with items most young married women will not have until thy are wed for quite a number of yrs. Did anyone ever hear Jill or Jessa say that they wanted to thank all their fans for their generosity? I know I never heard them mention how grateful they were for all the gifts. Yes children live what they learned in the home, but we all know many people who have had extremely difficult or tragic childhoods & have turned out to be kind,loving generous hard working people. I remember in particular the young girl who went from homeless as a youngster to Harvard. I just don't see the Duggar kids as having these generous hearts that they all talk about but never seem to act on.

Rudy Tecat said...

Please tell the Duggarites that we're not making fun of DDillard, we are concerned for his health! We're not making fun of Josh, we are concerned about the safety and well-being of his children! We are not making fun of the Duggars' choice of schooling, we are concerned about their career opportunities. We are not making fun of old Bill Gothard, we are concerned about the thousands of young people who will grow up to be misogynistic perverts. We are not making fun of Cousin Amy... well, we are making fun of Cousin Amy.

gen said...

I tried to find what DD had to say about depression. I'm extremely curious...

Leslie said...

Gen...I had the same problem. I found the Instagram photo referencing the blog post about depression, but I'm not seeing the blog post itself when I follow the URL given. Maybe it was just crazy enough to stir up sufficient backlash that they deleted it? I dunno, but if anybody can find it or give us a thumbnail sketch of what was said, I'd appreciate it.

Susie said...

Getting married to a Duggar = depression.

Ruby said...

Susie--having Jim Bob for a father-in-law = depression

coleen said...

Here is the instagram pic of DD opinion blog on depression. It has been removed from the D fam's site.

too bad,so sad said...

Here is a magazine article about DD's opinion about defeating depression.

http://www.inquisitr.com/3266634/jill-duggars-husband-derick-dillard-causes-controversy-by-sharing-advice-for-treating-depression/

At first I was horrified by Derick writing this advice to people who may be suffering from this mental disorder. Then I thought about the fact that the readers must know that Derick claimed to be a writer/preacher/missionary without actually studying in any of these fields, so I think that people should be responsible enough to always consider the source before taking advice. I hope that all people who are suffering get the professional care they need.

Zepharia Andres said...

The ones I pity are the ones who never stick out their neck for something they believe, never know the taste of moral struggle, and never have the thrill of victory. See the link below for more info.

#pity
www.ufgop.org

Marlo T said...

re: too bad so sad: The Duggars claim to be experts in every field. We've got Jana the concert pianist, Jill the midwife, Jinger the photographer/car flipper, and so on. Apparently they do not need to go to school to become experts.

Another Nurse said...

As a nurse with over 30 yrs. experience I have to say that now that I've finally seen the pictures of Derrick, I believe he is one critically ill young man. All the comments about his eyes, the weight loss, not to mention he has a crazed look. I believe he's both physically & mentally ill. I don't say this to be mean but he certainly has the appearance & his writing is just off the wall. He's one sick young man & I'm surprised the Duggars are allowing he & Jill to show those photos. If I was his mother I would absolutely want an intervention. Can't someone in his family perhaps his brother step in & get him help. The fact that his mom hasn't said or done anything along those lines, makes me wonder if she is ill again herself. Whatever is going on, is going to end in a disaster if someone in the family doesn't step up & get him help. He needs to get away from the Duggars. Yes I know he has his wife, Jill & baby Izzy but still somebody do something & do it immediately.

Ruby said...

The article that Derick wrote about depression can be found here.

https://www.dillardfamily.com/life-matters?ID=e0811441-5f4d-4145-bf9d-3ff883a65389

Andrea said...

4th of July photo has also been changed. But depression blog post is still up. Also on the blog, Jill and Dereck's love letter's to each other on their anniversary. Is nothing private?! I personally think it cheapest, even makes me question their "love" if they have to gush about it all over the internet.

http://www.dillardfamily.com/life-matters?ID=e0811441-5f4d-4145-bf9d-3ff883a65389

loidi said...

According to Dericks 'love letter', he's been married to his best friend for 1,052,640 hours.
Now we can all understand why he isn't working as an accountant any more!
I also find it odd that they saw fit to upload such scrawled, messy, scratched out letters.
As many have said before, like a 13 year old might....

gen said...

I read his "brilliant" advice about depression and I am flipping mad! As someone who has lived off and on with depression for my entire darn life I know that praying, while it does help, it not nearly enough.

It took me years to accept treatment, and when I think about it I do believe that I did follow God.

Once I finally understood that I couldn't do it alone, God led me to the right medical professionals to help me. God put people in my way who had taken medication to make me understand that by doing so I was not being weak. God put acceptance and patience in my heart and in my family's hearts. I believe that God is the creator of ALL THINGS. As such, He inspired the researchers who have worked and still work on understanding and treating depression. He has lead those who develop medications to their discoveries so they could help people.

Being a Christian doesn't mean rejecting science as the dimwit seems to imply.

It's actually dangerous for someone who is not doing well to follow only the advice this moron is giving. Heck, he actually knows people who have commited suicide because of depression! As a jerk with a degree in accounting the only thing he is qualified to say is "if you are depressed, please see a doctor." The only reason he put the disclaimer in the article is to avoid lawsuits, that's it. He want people to follow what he says as the preacher he fancies himself to be.

I'm actually so angry right now that I'm about to start crying. How dare he play with people's life this way?

gen said...

Anybody else thought that DD's gaunt look, long hair and bushy beard is a calculated attempt to look like a modern day Jesus?

At this point, there is nothing I would put past them. They are a bunch of conceited, pretentions imbeciles after all.

Ginny said...

Delighted to see a big celebration at the Duggar home as Jer,Joy & Jed have their picture taken holding a certificate of some kind (not a diploma) stating that they have graduated from the DUGGAR ACADEMY! (enter sarcasm here.) The principals of the Duggar academy are, Jim Bob & Michelle Duggar. What a surprise! I assume they will not need to sit for their GED, as they now have a certificate from the DUGGAR ACADEMY! Way to go kids you'll do well in life now.

Alicia Myers said...

Yes, I also have thought DD is morphing into a crazed, delusional man who is looking more and more insane with each posting and photo. I doubt Jesus looked like so scraggly & dirty!! It staggers the imagination to think what condition DD will be in a year as his decline appears so rapid. Has he nothing better to do then count the hours he's been married to Jill? We have seen no posts of any missionary work and we all know they post everything about their lives, including some childish love letters that should be kept private. Someone needs to intervene. The Zika virus is still thriving in CA so why are they living under such threat with nothing to show for it? Jill has to be very homesick yearning for real contact with her siblings. Her days must be long and lonely. Skype is no substitute for real contact.

coleen said...

per " Ginny said...
Delighted to see a big celebration at the Duggar home as Jer,Joy & Jed have their picture taken holding a certificate of some kind (not a diploma) stating that they have graduated from the DUGGAR ACADEMY! ...
7/07/2016 1:32 PM"

I wonder if they get to go Ark Encounter as a graduation gift?

KatieP said...

The incredible BS of the Duggars continue. They use their brains for a hat rack.

IU HOOSIER said...

Add to that narcissistic, elitist, entitled, liars, no ethics, no integrity, no honesty & no dignity. Definitely not Christians!!

too bad,so sad said...

Did Jer, Joy, and Jed all graduate the same year and in the same class? Just wondering who was named Valedictorian of the Duggar Academy this year.

mickey said...

I read that Josh Duggar wants his own reality show...and that Anna is pregnant with their fifth child. Anyone have verification?

Ginny said...

I assumed they graduated together as the three of them were pictured together holding up their certificate that clearly said Duggar Academy. Knowing the Duggars if they had finished up their schooling at different times they would have had each one separately holding up their certificate. Of course Jer & Jed are twins so would probably be finished at the same time but I thought there was more of an age difference between Joy & the twins. I may well be wrong about that.

Lisa Mcginess said...

to what the nurse said? were is derrick brother why is he not down there getting his brother the help he needs if he is sick? I would be? but maybe derrick does not want his help? maybe that is why they moved away so fast? we do not see him talking to his brother any longer? seems michelle and Jim bod do not care either they see derrick is sick why don't they try and get him help? I can see derrick mother not seeing this since she is sick with cancer. if I knew my son was sick I would be there quickly.

Ginny said...

Apparently there is only a year between the twin boys, Jer & Jed they were born in 1998. Joy was born in 1997. Boy when you see all the birthdates of the Duggar kids they are between a year or 18 months apart. I can't imagine all those pregnancies & going through the birth process so close together.

Ruby said...

so James had a birthday. I'm surprised we haven't seen a homemade video of Michelle screeching " HAAAAAAPPPPPY BIIIIIRTHDAAAAAAY JAAAAAAAAAMES, WEEEEEEE LOOOOOOOOOVE YOOOOOOOOOOOOOU BUUUUUUUUUUUUDY" yet.

Size said...

Now, that's definitely funny. Jill graduated from the school of "Like fest".

Rudy Tecat said...

Great photo on Jana's facebook this morning of James celebrating his 15th Birthday. Of course, she has no clue about the old TV series "James at 15"

gen said...

Please, no. Not a fifth baby for Josh and Anna. And surely not a reality series with the 2 of them.

I'm not sure it's something even TLC would risk. They created Counting On partly as a way to avoid Josh after all. There is way too big of a liability risk involved in giving him a show. If he goes back to is old ways (which, of course he will) any network would run the risk of losing everything. Plus no responsible company will advertise on a show about a known and admitted child molestor. As many duggarites as there are, there are more people with common sense who might instigate a boycott.

Mickey said...

I thought it was a joke "Duggar Academy" but apparently not. Ma & Pa Duggar have definitely created their own world in every way. They both experienced public schooling so does it not occur to them how they are taking away life experiences which results in the abuse and retarded development their children to the point where the adults now cannot function in the real world? What does the future hold for all these boys who will not be able to earn a living to support families?

Sharyn Creek said...

While I agree that Derek's appearance is alarming, I did appreciate his comments on depression. He spoke from his family experience. He admitted he is not a physician nor offering a quick fix. I thought it was sensitive to those who suffer depression. He even mentioned he is not attempting to cheer up someone who is clearly suffering as that would do no good. Just my view.

Nancy said...

Jim Bob went to private Christian school not public school.

Katies Mom said...

Re:gen's comments:Please don't pay any attention to the psychotic rantings of Derrick Dillard. You have done the right thing in seeking help with your depression. I absolutely believe that you have more intelligence & common sense than any member of the Duggar family. Please know that you have many friends on this blog that care about people with legitimate illnesses such as depression. I'm sure your prayers were helpful when you were going through difficult times, but nothing will take the place of a good Dr. who has a firm understanding & knowledge of depression & prescribes the right medication. I know many of us will keep you in our thoughts & prayers. Of course, the Duggars don't think anyone except Duggars pray & have their prayers answered.I'm glad that you have come through that terrible experience. I think you're an inspiration to all who have been through depression, although some don't want to admit it. It's an illness & requires treatment.

Bird said...

I honestly dont believe Josh was sent anywhere..The cameras did not film in the Duggar home during counting on. They didnt get him help before, I doubt they did now. Derricks mom is in remission and has traveled to see them, I think the cameras have gone to her head too, you would certainly think she would try and get him home, but $$ is all they care about now!

Living in Indy said...

Evidently Jim Bob's brain didn't show up for class.

Lydia said...

OMG are you kidding me? Anna pregnsnt with #5 smacks of desperation & seeking attention from Josh or approval from Jim Bob. Anna's self esteem is in the toilet. Anna just a sad case. & now I have no sympathy for her.

Carrie said...

Bird,...interesting theory about Josh because no one saw him attend church when he was supposed to be at the rehab. lol Lydia....Anna's self esteem in toilet??? That was a birthing scene.

Andrea said...

I think the graduation photo of the twins and Joy Anna standing with "Duggar Academy" diplomas is proof positive that the younger Duggar's are not passing their GEDs. I think it's safe to say, they'd all be holding GEDs if they had actually written and passed. It's really sad. Children / Young people only get one chance to do primary and secondary education and the Duggar parents have totally stolen that from their children. Obviously, their education is subpar even for them to attend a private Christian College, otherwise at least one or two would have attended. The best we've seen is one son did a one year ministry course at Clown College. It's sickening really, that someone has not stepped in and told those girls: "GO TO COLLEGE!" Finally the photo of Jana at Lowes with caption: "Lowe’s, Jana’s home away from home!" Good gawd, what women in her early to mid 20s hangs at Lowes? I hope she's there picking up some well education, well employed contractor (male or female) who can help her see her family is F'ing her over, big time. She could use her late 20s to get a college education, start building a life of her own. One can hope Joy Anna follows. I guess, the issue is I'm a feminist and I hate to see other women waste their energy, youth, intelligences, talents etc. on being "Stay at home Daughters."

Cindy said...

Micky, I don't know the Duggar's reason for naming their homeschool. But we homeschool and are set up as a private school with a name, according to our state law.

Christine said...

When do we stop treating the adult Duggars as victims and start treating them as abusers? Can we view them as victims and abusers at the same time?

Jim Bob and Michelle had a relatively normal childhood and then joined the Quiverfull movement and Gothard's ATI cult. I have no sympathy for Jim Bob, who gleefully appointed himself head of his own personal cult. I have some limited sympathy for Michelle, since being told you have to be submissive to your husband in all things must screw with your head...but she didn't grow up in the cult. She chose it. And then she chose to raise her many children in it.

For all his faults, I have some sympathy for Josh. He grew up in a cult and while his actions are loathsome, his parents screwed up badly with him. When your kid is molesting his sisters, you get him outside the home and get them all some real help, both for his sisters' sake and for his. Instead, JB and M ignored it for months. But when do we stop treating him as a victim of a cult and his parents and as an abuser? Where is that line? He's an adult yes...but as people have mentioned with the girls, these kids grew up with indoctrination and blanket training to make them terrified of having an original thought.

Same with Jill, if we assume that she's blanket training Israel (which, as far as I know, hasn't been confirmed). When do we stop seeing her as an under-educated girl from a cult who was married off to a man she barely knew and start seeing her as an abusive parent? Can we see treat as both? Where is that line?

Wednesday said...

Re: @ Christine's question: "Where do we draw the line." This is a great question. I think a lot of us grew up in some sort of dysfunction, or had issues that we swore we would never pass on to our children such as abuse, racial intolerance, stage moms, parents who were never there....the list is endless. But the thing is that when most people grow up they are able to recognize the dysfunction that was harmful and take measures to change and create a better life.

Obviously the thing with the Duggars is that they don't realize that they are damaged because TLC has put them in a bubble. The way that they see it is that their bubble works. The money and fame are pouring in, people worship them, they get to take free trips around the world. It's easy to stay in that bubble.

But in my opinion the married adults are responsible for the abuse that they encourage. I take full responsibility for any dysfunction or pain or stress I pass on to my children, and I'm sure most would agree with that. I take responsibility for my 50% of the marriage. That is what an adult does. I did not learn this from my parents. I learned this when I fell in love and held my child for the first time. I learned this when I wanted to live as is the human nature of every person. The Duggar kids should have felt this the first day they woke up on their wedding bed. The Duggars should have been learning this when they wanted to sleep in but had to wake up early to make a cafeteria breakfast, or when the best vacation they could have is laying in bed for a few days after getting teeth pulled, or when they may have wanted to go play with their hair instead of bible study, or when they wanted to barf after watching their parents hump.

So long story short, yes, they are responsible for their actions, just as anyone over the age of 16 is responsible for their own actions, whether it be balancing a checkbook, paying rent, not starting a fist fight over a parking spot, not doing drugs, etc..

My biggest fear is that they are going to make their own "tribes" and eventually start their own fake religion with the prophet Jim Bob. Why else would they call themselves tribes, and try to copy their mothers morning sickness patterns, watch their parents sex life, put their living mothers wedding dress in their weddings, have marrieds look up to Jim Bob as the patriarch, become slaves to the family, brag that every other family does "X" but the Duggars do "Y".

Aunt Bea said...

TLC didn't put this family in a bubble, IMO, Jim Bob and Michelle put their children in that bubble years earlier with their twisted practices.

Meme said...

One other thing about the Duggar "bubble". The children all believe that they are not only not being misled but that WE are all mistaken. To their way of thinking, their parents are protecting them from a very evil world, running interference for them until they reach the saving grace of adulthood.

As a Christian parent I am all for protecting children, aren't we all? But most of us recognize that our children must separate from us and make decisions based on our teachings AND their own convictions. I don't think that the Duggars can stand aside. It will be interesting to see what their reaction will be when or if Josh messes up again.

Li said...

I thought the stupid idea to showcase mama's wedding dress at the wedding was another moronic idea ol goofy Sierra Dominguez.

Wondering said...

I am just wondering if TLC has made an official announcement about the Duggars returning to their TV/Ministry. I have seen many comments but nothing official, although they might have announced their return in People Magazine & I never read People. That's where they seem to go with all their news. I don't believe any of the morning shows are anxious for them to be guest. If it's true I hope both TLC & the Duggars loose big time. Enough is enough!

Wondeing said...

Re: Andrea's comment that if the kids had their GED they would be shown holding the piece of paper.I believe that Josiah did get a GED, as once they showed a big party at the Duggars for Josiah getting his GED. We know that Josh also had a GED as he was shown hanging it on the wall in his office at the FRC Group. I don't know exactly what the requirements were for Joseph to gain admission to "Clown College." I don't even know what kind of school that was, as he only attended for a year & was said to have graduated. The only type of college I know of, that requires less than 4 yrs.is a Community College which requires 2yrs. for an Associates Degree. Maybe someone on the blog can tell us what the "Clown College/Crown College is. I have never heard about any of the other older kids getting their GED.

Heart in Florida said...

So, the "missionary Dillards" are returning home? I don't understand their action to date...someone, please help! First, Derick writes on his LinkedIn account his majors being business, etc, his goal was getting an accounting job for a company like WalMart; he accomplishes this, what, no "thanks to God" for such a blessing in today's job market? Then he and Jilly marry....grifting for a lifetime of household contents, furniture and decorated to the "nines"..seemingly set for life in a beautiful home, (granted, for expenses only from JB); then they both have traumatic medical situations, Jill, that disasterous birth with Izzy, and Derick, so closely to becoming a father has that awful jaw surgery...they they chuck it all almost immediately, sell their car, get rid of all their household contents to be missionaries....what, for 8 months? It was made to look like they were moving for YEARS, LONG TERM....I don't think they realized just how difficult it is to live in a rural Central American country, every day, not just "visiting with candy and nail polish, staying in a hotel...those hot summers are no joke and without any a/c, a real suffering. So, when the going gets tough, the Dillards get going? They scrammed from Arkansas after the Josh incidents, now are scramming from Central America? Just illogical. I also think that Derick is seriously ill with SOMETHING and they just aren't saying. His eyes just don't look the same, not taking account his drastic weight loss...the "look in his eyes" say something is seriously wrong inside. I hope that they come clean and tell the truth about what has happened to him down there. For surely something has....nothing that they should be ashamed to talk about. There are many fans, even us posters here, wish that these kids are healthy and well...although we disagree with their lifestyle "choices". Anyone else concur?

Jak&Jil said...

OMG! I just saw a picture of Derick on the Duggar's facebook, and Derick is sporting a man bun!

Over Them said...

Re: Heart in Florida's comments. Yes I concur with everything you said. I have also been wondering why there have been no pregnancy announcements from Jill & Jessa & Especially with Jill's little one now over a yr. If that was Michelle she would be about to deliver her 2nd but would really be thinking about the 3rd one to come sometime in the future.

lisa Magines said...

I could not possible see Jill having another child in any shape or form that derrick is in. there is another picture of him on the dillard web sight looking sickly again? I also honestly do not think they want another one right now. they now know how hard it is to have and take care of kids. and no Jessa and Ben nor Derrick and Jill will not adopt they just talk. they could not control a adopted kid the way the would their own and chance of them getting a little baby would be slim. and Derrick is in no shape to adopt a kit now would not even pass the home study test.

Peachy said...

Question: Didn't Anna have a miscarriage some years ago? Did they ever state what they thought caused it, like how Michelle and Jim Bob blamed the birth control pills? Just curious

Elspeth said...

Anna had a miscarriage between the first two kids. It was very, very early so likely a chemical pregnancy. She didn't seem to ascribe it to anything.

Cedric said...

OMG just realized the Duggar Academy is a facade or a joke. I am curious to Lear if the Duggar Academy is approved by the governing board of schools in the state of Arkansas? My guess is definitely NO!!

Lillian said...

Doesn't self imposed cult leader Jim Bob control the marriages of his daughters as well as when he demands the timing of their pregnancies?

Unknown said...

The Dillard website said they were returning home soon for a visit, not leaving CA permanently. Jill also writes that they haven't been home in 8 months but it sure seems like they went back and forth fairly frequently so it's hard to believe it was 8 months since their last visit home. However, most "missionaries" do not return home but once every 1-2 years. I had an aunt who was a missionary to Indonesia many years ago and she did not return for 3 years. I realize that travel is easier these days and CA is closer and cheaper to fly to. As for Derick, he looks better since he cut the big bushy beard, in my opinion.

Ruby said...

Jim Bob controlling the timing of his daughters'pregnancies??????? Come on now. That is beyond ridiculous. The Duggars do enough stuff that is legitimately weird but Jim Bob does not control when his married daughters get pregnant!

Just Me said...

Re: Anna's miscarriage She really sort of just brushed the miscarriage off compared to Michelle's actions. She really only spoke of it when she was visiting her family in Florida & she & Josh went with her dad to the prison to share their prison ministry with the women there. Anna was telling the women in prison that she knew what they were going through as she had just suffered the trauma of a miscarriage. I believe it was between Michael & Marcus although, it might have been between Mac & Michael. Who can keep track of these pregnancies with the Duggars?

too bad,so sad said...

Rules for homeschooling vary from state to state. Many states oversee the home schooling quite closely and the students need to pass state mandated tests, as well as show evidence that each child participated in a foreign language,art, music and physical education. Many states also have the parents of home schooled children send to the state the curriculum they are using to teach their children.
From what I read Arkansas does little if nothing to oversee home schooling. No tests, and I haven't seen or read anything about participating in a foreign language, art, music and physical ed. However, there is a part of the mandate that specifies that home schools must have a name, therefore the Duggar Acadamy.
On a personal note: Arkansas Dept. of Education cares about a name for the home school but not the curriculum!?! And people wonder what is wrong with our educational system.

Auggie said...

After Derrick's surgery, I imagine he would have been on some type of pain killers. I wonder if he wasn't able to get them in CA and took some local drug and got addicted. I'm no expert, but he does remind me of someone with a serious drug addiction.

Ashleigh said...

Has anyone here of jimbob and Michelle marriage is on the rocks ? The problem seems to be she is not blindingly follow her husband anymore what do we think?

Andrea said...

Ruby said: "Jim Bob controlling the timing of his daughters' pregnancies??????? Come on now. That is beyond ridiculous."

While I agree with you, let's be honest. He is spitting mad that neither Jill or Jessa have announced a second pregnancy. Wisely these girls are either practising natural family planning or are on birth control. The other option; "Not being joyfully available to your husband" seems like a possibility too. Either way, happy to see Jill and Jessa seemed to have learned something from their mother's ongoing longing for pregnancy, infants and breast feeding and have avoided her fate, at least so far.

Let's hope they stay the course and don't have more children for a few more years at least. Maybe their not so dumb after all! Here's hoping!

As for Anna, no one and I mean literally no one, but a seriously sick individual would suggest a fifth for her or her family. Even Jim Bob and Michelle couldn't get behind another Duggar Minion for the M Crew.

Andrea said...

"Jim Bob and Michelle's marriage is on the rocks?"

These two are so in love with the "image" of themselves it's not possible for their marriage to end. They love, love, love the "image" they project of being this big, Christian, loving family. "Image" in quotation marks because anyone with half a brain knows it's entirely fabricated.

I think that several of the children must be so miserable, but too beaten down to really recognize the terrible situation they've been born into. Jim Bob and Michelle meanwhile are pretty pleased with their choices and the outcomes, as their narcissism prevents them from seeing themselves as anything other than perfect parents and Christians. These two are completely psychopathic together and I imagine some of the children likely will suffer from psychopathy as well, Josh being exhibit number one.

The good thing is, I suspect Jim Bob and Michelle envisioned a large, lengthy, Duggar legacy of political offices and power position in AR and through the US, for his uneducated brood. I think Josh's actions and the realization that this family is completely and totally loony has killed that possibility. Jim Bob and Michelle in their narcissism are hoping it will blow over, but I think child molestation is pretty much the most despicable crime and one which never, ever, gets forgotten. Rightly or wrongly, the crime has tainted the entire family.

Meme said...

Can someone please provide a link to the photo of Derick in a man bun? Thanks'

chelsea said...

I'm thinking it's about time Jimbob heard a message from the heavens that instructs him to find a younger wife so he may father more little Duggers. Perhaps he might be told to put Michelle down in the laundry room with grandma. These things do happen in cults when men are hellbent on producing more and more children. Now this would be a show I would watch.

Lillian said...

Ashleigh, where did you learn this information about JB&M?

JeannieBean said...

I think the marriage on the rocks story is just another Duggar ploy to try to stay relevant. They'll do just about anything to keep their name out there in the headlines and with the Counting On disaster returning soon they've got to keep interest going.

Lillian said...

Ruby, I respect your comment. However it wouldn't surprise me if on a daily basis, Jim Bob is bugging Jill & Jessa as to when they will become pregnant again. Jim Bob is obsessed with procreation.

KatieP said...

So much for the pseudo mission trip. Never thought Jill & Derick were missionaries just two people attempting to separate Catholics from their faith. Well Jill & Derick, MISSION FAILED!!!

Pam said...

I would love for Michelle to get a backbone and tell JB to take a jump, but I'm not seeing it.

Susie said...

The Duggars are so phony on camera that I doubt we will ever get a hint if there is any real trouble between them. Judging how real families struggle and disagree and change over time, this cult will do the same. The problem is---they work real hard to keep it all a secret. I guess I just enjoy watching the train wreck this family was created to be.....and waiting for the next disaster to be revealed by the media or careful observers just confirms that a patriarchy is very very bad for women and children. And Derick, and Ben ....

Smokey said...

Regarding pregnancy most likely the girls are already pregnant or trying and the duggars are waiting for the new season to tell us. After all they have to stay relevant.

Ruby said...

Lillian, I can imagine Jim Bob being inappropriate and indiscreet with his adult daughters. I can imagine him joking with the sons in law about things that are none of his business. What I can't imagine is him giving directives and commands about when they should attempt to procreate. I'm not defending Jim Bob. He is very foolish in his talk and is altogether immodest and disrespectful in the way he treats Michelle on camera. I have zero respect for the guy.

Quiana said...

chelsea you cracked me up!!
That will be the day! Ha!
Where are the exes speaking to people and the gossip rags about the new husbands? That's so odd to me.

Marla said...

Ruby......remmember Jimbob in the bedroom w/ jill & derrick befoere they were married.....oh how weird and uncomfortable. It was enough to make Derrick not able to perform with Jimbob..saying to call him on the bedroom phone......creepy.

Pam said...

Quiana, maybe they have paid any exes of Derrick and Ben to keep quiet.

Jak&Jil said...

For Derick's man bun, click on 2016 Ministry Photo Album. It's the picture where he is standing outside with a backpack talking/preaching to little kids.

http://search.xfinity.com/#web/duggar+facebook

Smokey said...

I was just wondering Derrick said he dated other girls before Jill. Why haven't any of them come forward?

KimmieH said...

Re brain limited Jim Bob. JB lives in his own little pathetic mind controlling everything in his Duggar Cult. I agree in that he's probably steamed that Jill & Jessa are not pregnant with 2nd babies. Obviously JB does not care about the health if his daughters who experienced difficukty with births of first babies. JB only cares about building up his lying & disgraceful sick Cult.

Lillian said...

Everything about Jim Bon creeps me out his looks, voice , demeanor, fake personality, fake Christian. I can't believe this idiot once was elected to a state office. Just incredible that any person voted for this moron.

Chloe said...

Michelle & that fake little girl voice so annoying & well just nuts. I bet that Duggar house is not very clean it appears as such. Is TLC really this desperate to create interesting programs? If TLC just let the Duggars go & fade away, no viewer will care.

Csnee317 said...

There is a picture on Sierra's Instagram of everyone at Chic-Fil-A "dress like a cow for free food" day. Ol' Josh Duggar is holding Meredith and is right next to Anna. Seems like they look pretty happy/relaxed. (Don't judge me for following Sierra on Instagram - okay, judge me, but I can't help it).

Ruby said...

There's another picture where Derick is sporting a man bun, or is a lady bun? He is holding Izzy and it looks like Jill at first but at second glance it is definitely Derick. You can see his beard. He is wearing a baggy blue shirt and he is back-to the camera. https://www.dillardfamily.com/2016-ministry-photo-album

all in the family said...

It's also VERY possible that he has a parasite. Many people who go to live overseas can be plagued by parasites and even typhoid fever.......

Rudy Tecat said...

Dressing up like a cow must be against some Biblical rule or other. But, if it gets you free food, I guess it is ok by ol' JB

Nancy G. said...

For the first time, I checked out the Dillard missionary site.....2016 Missionary Photos......
and saw for myself the request for donations. One can chose an amount that will be deducted from your account monthly to support their missionary work. Now they post they are coming back home and will continue to do missionary work in the USA...which probably means not ever returning to hot & buggy Central America. What did Jill & Derrick do with the donations people have sent them? They have hosted family members on a continual basis. This seems like a total scam set up which will continue with their "work" in the USA. All it looks like they have done is take Spanish lessons which can be taken at home in Arkansas (which Jill dropped out of) and there are a few pis of Derrick & Jill reading/talking to a few children plus Jill says she holds some bible study at her house. That's it??

Meme said...

Nancy G: I think that Jill and Derick are just continuing to use other people's money to avoid going to work, total deadbeats. I do not buy that they were ever missionaries. They have totally scammed people out of their hard-earned money, and until these Duggarites wake up and realize what's going on, these frauds will continue to scam. Jill and Derick have played at and pretended to be missionaries.

It makes me sick that people are so unaware of how they really are. Of course, I live in Arkansas, so maybe that's an "advantage". They are not well thought of here.

Lial said...

I'm so weary of the phony Duggars. The show was interesting in the beginning with all the little kids but now as the children grow up into narcissistic, delusional adults. The Duggars have evolved into a cult of liars only looking for money and fame. The never ending selfies are boring. None of them has a job or an education. They feel they are better then others and can preach their supposed beliefs at the world while they gather up money and gifts from their dwindling fan base. I see Jeremy is jumping on this bandwagon. Look for him to start a ministry on tv begging for money. People need to stop supporting this family with donations. Jimbob has millions of dollars, an airplane, huge RV, many cars, rental houses and money appearing from TLC. What do you, fan, have and why should you give your hard earned money to the Duggars??

Pamela mc steven said...

saw on you tube Jessa and Jiger giving fashion tips. now they are fashion stylist. they need someone to tell them. Jesse do not wear maxi skirts unless you wear a heal because chasing a small child in a maxi skirt will be leading to falling and i could just image how dirty that would get running around outside the dagger house since its mostly dirt.

Miss Mary Manners said...

SHAMEFUL!!! That's what I think about the Duggar clan et al going to Chick Filet to get free food. They can certainly afford to pay for it. And when there 25-30 of you in one group, that is just plain taking advantage. Did they go to 7-11 on July 11 for their free drinks? Probably. SHANE, SHAME, SHAME!!!

Clodfest at chick filet said...

What a bunch of freeloading clods.

And someone mentioned ol' goofy Sierra Dominguez. Sloppy Sierra.

Captain Crunch said...

Just noticed that the Duggars have quit following Precious Josh on Instagram. They were following 26 people, now its just 25. No Josh.

Ashleigh said...

Josh is coming back on tv and he will talk about his troubles regarding the cheating and molesting his sisters later on in the second season of the duggars tv show called counting on. Oh one more thing during all the crying and hand holding there is not one word or sentence coming as an apology for his actions, He blames "External Forces" as a reason why he went off course and through the miracle of Jesuse Christ he has been "saved" Do I dare ask " How do we as a community feel about this;

Oh one more thing Amazon Lowe are some of the companys that will not drop the duggars.

Jennie said...

What next?? Thrift store fashion stylists!!! Long skirts & flipflops with super tight shirts that show your bellybutton when you are pregnant........oooooops "expecting". Also...lots of black eyeliner completes the modest look.

Chloe said...

Meme, you stated that you live in Arkansas & the Duggars are not well thought of in your state. Are the clueless Duggars aware of this fact?

Lillian said...

Nancy G., Clearly the pseudo mission of Jill & Derick is a huge LIE! I for one never believed they were. Missionaries. The so called mission to CA was a ruse & for Jim Bob & TV only. It was & is a tremendous FAILURE! Hey Jill & Derick you two fool no one only yiurselves.

LilBit0318 said...

Re: The Duggars at Chick-fi-A

I have to be honest here. When I hear about a promotion for free food and it's an a place that I like, I'll take advantage of it a lot of the time. I mean, why not? So the only reason I fault them for participating in "Cow Appreciation Day" is the fact that they brought an enormous group, which could be a drain on the restaurant and its owners/franchisees.

Meme said...

Remember when the Duggars used to take their enormous brood to the local chicken restaurant where kids ate for free? I didn't think it too cool at the time but realized that others might have a different opinion, so I tried to see it from either side. Of course it is one thing when you are feeding a huge family on a small budget.

Nowadays things are very different. These unemployed millionaires take advantage of every free doughnut or chicken strip they can wrap their greedy fingers around.

Interesting that Erin Bates Paine's siblings were recently bragging on Erin's husband's work ethic. See there, Baby Ben and Hippy Derick? THAT'S what a grown man is supposed to do! Better to rise above your deadbeat in-laws than to become a deadbeat yourself. Sadly, I'm afraid it's already too late.

mickey said...

Those marriages may become more distant. But, divorce won't ever happen. Their whole narcissistic personal is wrapped up in that marriage.

amee said...

With all their millions, why don't the Duggars think about starting feeding the homeless charity instead of trying to get free food for themselves?

too bad,so sad said...

TLC must have PR people. I can not understand why this scripted show's "stars" are not guided into better choices in public by TLC. I truly believe that JB suffers from a form of narcissistic personality disorder. He can not understand how other people view his behavior, nor can he relate to how others feel. If TLC wants them to return to tv they should be there to take photos of JB's entire cow herd getting free sandwiches and then getting into the Duggar mobile and taking those sandwiches to the homeless on the street or some group home. It would make them look good whether of not they are. Things like that go viral. I have seen the photo/video of a hair stylist from a well know upscale salon cutting hair of homeless men on at least a dozen different sites. Warms my heart every time.

JB's poor kids, yes even the adult children, must be so very confused. They are told they have a "servant's heart" but as far as I have ever seen they have never been taught or encouraged to give freely. Real giving as in what the other person needs or desires not just what they want to provide. Prayers, hymns, sermons, candy or lessons on jewelry making are probably not in the top 10 things needed or desired by the locals, more like what the Duggars want to do.

Matthew 7:9
Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? To me the Duggars seem to give people who would love to have bread, stones. JMHO

Ruth said...

I saw where Jilly Bumpkin said she wanted to get back home for Chick Filet. I betcha Chick Filet corporate loves them and wants those people there. Even if they haul their lazy behinds to a franchise, corporate may reimburse the franchisee since those fake people gave them FREE advertising!

life of their own.. said...

amee I agree! I really think the kids only go along with these free meals/donuts at places because it is the only time they get to dress up like we all do for trick or treat! My favorite part was making the costume, not just getting the candy. I had mom and dad for that, when we went to the store, if I really wanted candy. They probably really get excited to do a 'normal' thing as a child. Too bad JB has to benefit from it($$$ free meals $$)! Yes, they could certainly be donating the meals they receive (when their daddy says trick is treating is allowed). All that money they make from being on t.v., can't they donate some FREE chicken??

Andrea said...

Meme, you stated that you live in Arkansas & the Duggars are not well thought of in your state . . . Tell as all you know! I'm still shocked these Red Necks come from Arkansas . . .I mean Bill Clinton is from AR too. Let's not forget the The Little Rock Nine! I mean, AR doesn't seem that backwards to me, yet we have the Duggar's!

Furious said...

Re:LiBT3i8 Comments about the Duggars going to Chick-Filet. I'm so very sorry & don't mean to offend you with my comments but no-way should the Duggars have dragged their entire bunch there, including grandchildren someplace for free food. There are plenty of people that could really use all these freebies that they get. After all, they have traveled the world & this country on TLC's dime. Like you, I will go to a promotional for a new store etc. but it wouldn't be that important for me to dress up in a costume to obtain the free food. I think the only "free food" I've receive is when the local supermarket has someone handing samples of food they are promoting. I have no idea how large your family is but you seem to be a caring person, who would only go to this type promotial with a limited number of family. The Duggars make a habit of this type of behavior. What a thing to teach your children! Also what in the world is wrong with Chick-Filet? I don't care how much free food they gave away the entire event diminishes their reputation.
On another subject; Josh Duggar returning to TLC, is enough to make you sick to your stomach. What in the world is TLC thinking? It actually seems like Jim Bob is doing their thinking for them.

Memories said...

Re: The Duggars getting the free food dressed up in costume. Anyone else remember the "Golden Rule" the Duggars say they have. It's JOY...Jesus first, others second, yourself last!

Disgusted with Duggars said...

Re:Josh trying to convince anyone that it was; "External Forces," that caused him to molest, become addicted to porn & commit adultery. First of all we are all responsible for our own actions. We know that at this point in time Josh has not made any statement about his actions. Only on the day he had to resigned from FRC, did he speak very briefly about his actions of molesting his sister & another young girl. That's not how he explain his actions though, it was something akin to the fact that he had been the biggest hypocrite This statement about "External Forces, has most definitely come from the PR machine that's running 24/7 in the Duggar home. It reminds me of John David's statement that, the Devil took his best shot at us.

JeannieBean said...

Re: life of their own's comment..."all that money they make from being on t.v., can't they donate some FREE chicken?

If I recall correctly, didn't they have the camera crews filming the Duggars donating bags of food to some people in need and once the cameras stopped filming they took the bags back, put them back in their vehicles and took them home? I think that was filmed just before the Josh scandals were exposed but it never aired as the show was abruptly cancelled.

Their fake goodwill is all for show.

ruth said...

I went to YouTube to see the stories about France and happened to see the video of Jessa making a hamburger/potato casserole. Several times it showed her precious little guy. At the end she was holding him and I thought she sounded like she really enjoyed him.

lisa mcginess said...

watchng bring up bates last night they state lawson bates had the most clothes and boots. guess he probably does because he is the only one who has a paying Job. he is a very good music artist. and the sister erin bates paine is really blessed with a great music talent also.

Lillian said...

Re the Duggars Joy philosophy, I never believed for one second they follow this rule. Greed is their mission statement.

Frank N Stein said...

Have you seen Jessa and Jinger giving fashion advice? Jessa is standing there in bare feet looking like a hillbilly talking about "fashion". Ha!

Meme said...

Hi Andrea. When the Duggars began appearing regularly on television most Arkansans either did not know them or were only vaguely familiar, due to Jimbob's political aspirations. As they became more well-known, I believe that most people (in Arkansas) felt something along the lines of "good for them, they probably need the money". But things have changed IMO. People in Springdale are just tired - of the cameras, notoriety and general disruption of their lives. Not to mention the continuing scandals.

mickey said...

I literally cannot believe that this family continues to be on TLC, with "Counting On" renewed for another season.

Have the producers at TLC lost their minds? The advertisement dollars are practically tanked, the show is beyond boring and vapid, (I have never watched it, just the commercials are bad enough.).

I really can't figure this out at all...move on TLC. Find another train wreck.

Anastasia said...

Josh says "external forces" caused him to do his sexual sinning. Well, that would go over big in a court of law. Sorry judge, I sexually abused the child because "external forces" made me do it. How can the Duggar PR even come up with such a stupid reason. Does this mean that if any of them do something illegal or sinful....that darn external force did it and not them?? I am so sick of their phony/stupid ways. TLC is wrong to put Josh in a reality show again. They are condoning what he has done and that ignorant, doormat Anna is not a good example to other women in such abusive relationships. Let us not forget their children who could be abused by Josh at any moment. I remember how he said he liked to help out Anna by getting up at night and changing the children's diapers.

Smokey said...

it was trending on facebook that josh is not going to be on counting on after all. You should have read the comments. People really do not like him or the Duggar family much.

sandi said...

"External forces" is not even biblical.Scripture says one cannot be controlled by external forces unless it is allowed by the individual

Memories said...

Re: Lilian's comment, I never believed that the Duggars followed their fake "Golden Rule" either. I only mentioned it because of all we now know about them, with the Josh scandal & this horrible act going to a place all dressed up like cows for free food. Those kids are not allowed to dress up in a costume at Halloween because of the association Michelle says it has with devil worship. But we have never seen the little girls playing dress up either. It's amazing & disgusting the way they don't live what they preach. Many people don't live what they preach but they don't have a TV show telling people to live as they do.

Alita said...

That's good news to hear Josh will not be on the show. He's an evil product of Jimbob & Michelle. Who knows what else is lurking in the house of isolated children. I saw the video of Jessa & Jinger talking fashion. How pitiful was that with their sorry thrift store ensembles. I laughed when I heard Jessa say she likes roomy shirts now that she's in post pregnancy shape but then why was she wearing those awful skin tight shirts when she was heavily pregnant? Nothing from them makes sense.

Peaches said...

Jill posted a picture of Israel and a friend. The look on Israel's face is like "you can't touch me, we aren't engaged!" Ha ha

Wednesday said...

To me it's a moot point that Josh may not be in the show. Having anna in the show is the same thing as having Josh, and the $$ still go into Josh's pocket. anna is just as bad as Josh since she condones his actions.

Wendy Heusel said...

having any of them on a show is pitiful they need real jobs. tic is a shameful channel the promote some of the worst shows on tv. do not watch that channel any longer.

Andrea said...

Sharla,

I know you have a rule about not posting entire articles, but if we post what the Dillard's have written on their website, people won't have to visit the site to read, thus diverting traffic from the Dillard's site. Anyways, here's what Jill and Derick posted today:

We are so excited to share that we will be returning in August for a short stateside term that will extend into the fall. We are really looking forward to seeing our families after nearly 10 months on foreign soil. We plan on taking some Bible classes as we continue to work in ministry from the US. Serving in Central America has been an amazing experience so far for both of us (and Israel!). We feel like we’ve made great advancements in just learning the culture and the language as well as building relationships with so many precious people. Our time here so far has allowed us to see many hearts touched, many souls accept the redeeming love of Christ, and many sweet people helped through humanitarian efforts. We believe our labors until now will serve as a strong foundation for many years of wonderful ministry in the days to come. Even while we are in the United States we will continue to work on behalf of the ministry and the work in Central America will continue. Stay tuned to our website for more updates. Please do continue to pray for us and for the lives of those we’ve been called to minister to!

Andrea said...

The latest statement from the Dillard's is so poorly written it has to have been written by Jill herself. My personal favorite quotes:

"We are so excited to share that we will be returning in August for a short stateside term that will extend into the fall." First she wrote it was short, but then she wrote it was extended into the fall - weird wording.

"We plan on taking some Bible classes as we continue to work in ministry from the US." WOW Jill sounds like you'll be busy - NOT.

"Our time here so far has allowed us to see many hearts touched, many souls accept the redeeming love of Christ, and many sweet people helped through humanitarian efforts." I'd really like to know more about Jill's humanitarian efforts, because her TV show and instagram feed tell a very different story.

"We believe our labors until now will serve as a strong foundation for many years of wonderful ministry in the days to come." What exactly is it Jill is trying to say? Is it years or days?

"Even while we are in the United States we will continue to work on behalf of the ministry and the work in Central America will continue." Amazing, thanks for the update, basically Jill is admitting she's lazy and her lazy ways will continue while in America!

laura said...

Honestly I don't think these people truly feel or know what love actually is. Everything is twisted. A rigid, ruled, made up way of life. In the name of the Lord, of course.

Cedric said...

TLC = The Loser Channel. I have deleted TLC.

Bytheway said...

Josh doesn't have to physically be on the show, I agree with you 100% Wednesday, any money Anna gets from the show goes right to josh, and probably Jim Bob.. It's all so disgusting.

Sharla said...

Copying a Duggar blog post is not the same as copying an entire In Touch or People article. One will get the blog a cease and desist letter while the other will not.

Susie said...

Regarding Jill and her sick, loser, supremacist husband: Well, I am curious about what phony "work" they will try to convince us they are doing. And, I do want to know who will provide them housing and where it is. Does anyone know if they have returned or when they will return?

coleen said...

per "Susie said...

Regarding Jill and her sick, loser, supremacist husband: Well, I am curious about what phony "work" they will try to convince us they are doing. And, I do want to know who will provide them housing and where it is. Does anyone know if they have returned or when they will return?"

They will probably live in the house next door with the pool. I think that's the house where Jessa and Jinger shot their modesty dress video.


linda engstrom said...

guess derrick brother Dan will be married soon? saw on instragram he just got engraged? now Jill will see what a real wedding is like not a cirucs and be real jealsous of her sister in law.


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Meme said...

Linda Engstrom: What? A REAL wedding? You mean to say that there be no running in church, no shoeless brides, no ice cream, no removing of shades and dipping of wives in front of the entire congregation? No clingy bride-to-be following the groom around, unable to be out of his presence before the wedding? No strutting, preening father-in-law sneering that THIS IS HIS DAUGHTER'S VERY FIRST KISS, EVRAHBODYYY!!!!!
Yep, it will be a shocker alright.

Linda engstrom said...

Meme that will be a real shocker alright. call 911 for Jill? I wonder if she will be in the wedding party? I hope not she might want all the attention on her self? wonder if the whole family will be there hope not they will see what a real wedding is all about?

mickey said...

Central America is hardly the Congo in 1890! These people are already Christian.

Wondering Why said...

Anyone think that Jill & Derrick are returning to the States just for a visit or because of Derrick's health issues?

Just a Nurse said...

Just because Derrick's brother is engaged it doesn't necessarily mean that there will be one of the"rush Weddings" that the Duggars always have. I'm not sure if they are followers of Gothard. I know Derrick's brother has defended him in the past but if Jim Bob wants good publicity surrounding his son-in-law, he would most definitely look to a member of Derrick's family. As an Oncology nurse I was appalled that Cathy went to CA so soon after finishing her Chemo treatment. It's certainly not something I've seen in 25ys of working in Chemo clinic. People are usually advised not to travel outside the country for some length of time. Cathy seemed like one sick & frail lady when we saw her at Jill & Derricks wedding. It takes a long time to rebuild you body's & it's resistance to other illnesses after Chemo. I realize she was in CA helping with the baby & was surprised that her husband as well as Drs went along with her taking that trip. We know that her hubby is rarely even in a picture with any Duggars. He was definitely against her leaving the hospital to attend th wedding. When Jim Bob & Jill were taking their first trip to Nepal they drove to the Duggar home to deliver a "care package," for them to take to Derrick. Derricks step-dad wouldn't even step inside the Duggar house. Jim Bob had to come out to their car to get the package.

Little Bits said...

Isn't it amazing the work & influence that Jill says she & Derick have had on the people in CA. They appear to have worked wonders in a shorter period of time than God or any other missionaries that have been there for long periods of time.

laura said...

Jessa and Jinger- no one cares about your used thrift store clothes and gross sandals that you have been sharing for years. That is not fashion.

Derick- if you are going to post a pic of 'breaking ground on a new project'(thanks for Sharing what that was btw), it would be useful to show yourself actually doing something in it, like digging or carrying wood, rather then praising the Working Men for 'having a servants heart'.(glad to see the application of your large vocabulary)
But I suppose that is considered work- something you appear to be allergic to.

Duggars n Co.- if you insist on calling yourselves missionaries, servants, JOY followers, etc, it would really behoove you to change the direction of your relentlessly boring, vapid, repetitive social media themes of selfies doing nothing, nail painting, eating out and babies(no offense at all to babies but they've been around for a while now and people generally don't care unless its someone they personally know) and pics of very large groups of brainwashed children and controlling, religiously warped adults,
from all that to
MAYBE actually exhibiting selflessness like charity work, donating to the Lakota Indians in SD who get their electricty turned off in 20 below winter weather, volunteering at the Animal shelter, working with disabled children, tutoring homeless kids, Habitat for Humanity, or any of the NUMEROUS ways TRUE selfless, giving people help others in need, whatever that need may be.
If y'all are so obsessed with being public figures you MAY want to work on your image, cuz honey? It ain't working out for ya.
There is not one iota of kind, pure, giving Christian-ness in your game. Lies, deceit, vanity, selfishness, fraud.
You don't do anything for others. Except annoy them. You're all weird.

Oh and on another note- the devil made me do it- Josh's excuse? His refusal to apologize? His family's focusing on the adultery, which, while bad, isn't BAD, like incestously molesting his sisters and being forgiven after getting camp at a child pornography -collecting- sentenced- to- prison -law enforcement- offical. I had to laugh in amazement while writing that because its so sad that his bad character was just perpetuated when it could have been reformed.
Just another way these people use God to weasel and worm their way out of personal responsibility. GEEZ.
If by external forces he means whoever he learned that behavior from then.......
But still. The guy is pretty much messed up for life and he'll take everyone around him down with him. Wow Anna really has been programmed to have no say in the matter. She probably exhalts him. Very. VERY sad.
Perhaps I should reserve my judgement. I wasn't there. But the whole situation just SCREAMS horrific dysfunction. And we comment after a long, hard, demanding day and night at work? Because they have put themselves out there, warts and all and WILL not go away. Will not slither into oblivion.

His poor children.

Meme said...

Laura I'm still re-reading your post. Over and over. You said it ALL. I'd love to hear your take on Mary Duggar.

Ginger said...

Does anyone have any idea just how many babies Jill delivered while in CA? That's all she was talking about before she left this country, how great the need was for midwives. If she had delivered the babies of these poor women we would have heard abut it ad nauseam. She was certainly proudly displaying her "Certificate" that she said made her a midwife.

griffin said...

and i'd love to hear what "external forces" there were re: the molestations.josh was not allowed television, school, internet, books, a regular church, friends, movies, or to leave the house alone. what external forces does that leave??

misty said...

I agree...Laura......everything you said is true and what so many people feel about the Duggars.

Hello said...

Laura--everything you said is spot on.

Ruby said...

Bahahaha Laura--so true! "Jessa and Jinger, no one cares about your used thrift store clothes and gross sandels". Derick and Ben, get a job. Duggars and co., y'all ARE weird. Josh, go away forever.

Ashleigh said...

Jim bob and Michelle are screwed there is a certain ways human beings grow, learn and develop. The adult kids can not think for themselves daddy does the thinking and honestly I don't think the man has his high school diploma. He is playing a dangerous game of Lets Play House with the older kids and that is all it is playing house they are all under the control of Jim bob. Jim bob will get old and part of getting old is letting go of all responsibility and leaving it up to the next generation the kids will be so blindsided they will all have whiplash . I think Michelle is FINALLY WAKING UP to the madness that surrounds her.

The Gravey train will finally end and all of the Duggars especially Dim Blub will have to face reality, and have to work like everyone else. I do believe behind closed doors all these scandles have taken a hit on the Duggars in regards to how they work within their community. I don't think any decent reputable business will work with Jim Bob anymore. Any whoo thats my two cents.

linda engstrom said...

i do not think Jill had delivered any babies in ca. they never talked about them.

Ginny said...

Great post Laura. You hit the nail on the head regarding with your statements. To me they don't even seem like people more like programmed robots. They can't have one single thought for themselves, their spirits have all but disappeared by the time they are 10 yrs. old. I'm thinking in particular of Joy & Hannie. Michelle was bound & determined to turn them into another version of her older girls & she has already succeed with that project. I hate the way Joy acts now & she was always the one who loved the outdoors & being a tomboy. The minute Michelle realized what spunk she had around 11 yrs. she said on camera that she needed to have some serious talks with Joy about her behavior, as she was becoming a young woman now. We have now seen the same thing with Hannie. She is the one I thought had a mind of her own, but Michelle & Jim Bob don't allow those kids to have their own thoughts They cannot be individuals. Those kids are like a herd of animals, one must follow the one in front of them. What a horrible way to raise your children as you go around saying "children are a gift rom God." Michelle & Jim Bob you can say all about them being a gift from God but you have never treated them as "Gifts." You have used them to serve you not God.

Iris said...

I am sensing the CA experience was a failure. There are no posts of any projects except for one showing 2 men, not Dillard, doing some sort of construction. Guess he was too busy wandering around talking to God to actually do any physical work. We know Jill was too busy taking care of Israel to continue with Spanish classes. And there were all those family visits to deal with. Was there something posted about local women making jewelry to sell with a profit going to the Dillard ministry? All of the donations where for this???

Christine said...

griffin has a good point: Josh was pretty well-insulated from the horribly heathen secular world, so what "external influences" can he blame for him molesting his sisters? He didn't go to public school and he barely socialized with people outside of the family and not outside their circle of friends. Their internet access was strictly controlled, so he couldn't look at porn -- though it's possible that the Internet access was a bit more lax, then Josh got caught, then access was tightened as a result. Allegedly, when Josh came home from construction camp rehab, he admitted to the church that he'd had a problem with porn. Maybe that was just a cover story? Maybe he was also watching porn in addition to feeling up preteens?

Still, porn doesn't make you molest kids. If anything, porn probably would have helped Josh by getting him to focus on naked adult women.

Well, he could always blame the Devil, couldn't he? He probably will -- he did in the public apologies when one of the scandals broke last year, though he later deleted the version that blamed the Devil.

But honestly, Josh's actions were probably caused in part by him growing up in a patriarchal culture that didn't emphasize consent at all and forced him to completely repress his sexuality. The guy at Diary of An Autodidact is a lawyer who's seen some similar cases of teenage boys in patriarchal families doing the same thing: http://fiddlrts.blogspot.com/2015/05/the-duggars-how-fundamentalisms.html. His argument is that conservative Christian fundamentalism encourages an atmosphere where teenage boys are likely to molest younger girls (who are usually their sisters because they're the only females they have access to) because they're taught to completely repress any sexual urges and also taught that it's a girl's responsibility to dress modestly and not tempt males.

lisa magines said...

I also think the duggars have other deep dark secrets other than josh having sexual problems with his sisters? there are bigger issues? I think the older boys like John David would have some kind of social skills and relationship skills since he never really been around women one one women or even had any friendships with them without parents being there. I personal also do no think they know how to act around normal people since they never had any real friends. all these kids have some kind of social problems.

Ruby said...

Derick looks like a hippy with his man bun as he echos Jill's unscripted, and disjointed birthday message to Jim Slob. I feel like I just lost some brain cells listening to them.

Alva said...

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/chick-fil-a-forced-to-feed-dozens-of-duggars-after-child-molesting-josh-dresses-up-like-a-cow/

Looks like ol Sloppy Jo Dominguez....I mean Sierra Jo Dominguez has more of her family there than the Duggars.

She is just as bad!

Ms. Mars said...

Speaking of Sierra.....she made a comment on her blog "If we're being completely honest, I have ugly cried more in the past 3 months, than I'd care to admit."


????

Takemeawaycalgon said...

If Jim Bob passed away does the head of the family pass to Josh? Michelle would have to obey her son? Beyond weird.

Cedric said...

The whole dynamic of the Duggar family if one can call it a dynamic more so a disaster is skewed & a failure.

Living in Indy said...

Well obviously Sierra's frontal lobe is under developed or on vacation.

Just Unbelievable said...

Christine & griffin both have excellent points. What really makes me angry is listening to Michele talk about all the terrible influences kids in public school face. She is constantly talking about how homeschooling keeps those influences away from kids. Sure has worked well for the Duggars hasn't it? As someone who has a family of public school teachers,I highly resent her blatant remarks. She should look at her own home & kids, which she pays no attention to before she is so critical of the public schools. I realize not every state or town comes up to the standards we would like, but that's where parents need to put the pressure on their elected officials. After all, big shot Jim Bob was an elected official & how much did he care about the kids in his area? Did he make the schools there a priority or did he just put his efforts towards recommending that child molesters or should I say people guilty of incest, should be severely punished? Even if the school is not rated highly there are still many wonderful teachers doing their best against difficult odds & they get up & go to work everyday to teach. As a matter of fact most people regardless of their profession get up & go to work everyday. This of course, is a foreign concept to the Duggars. Their entire world revolves around producing more & more kids who will never contribute to the workforce. There education is seriously lacking in all areas, i.e. the lack of language skills, science, history, math. Yet Michelle take a few of the kids to visit a public school, under the guise of how important reading is, but she is really there to advertise the most recent Duggars book as she nurses a baby at the front of the class. The one young boy that went along on the school visit was the only boy she could get out of bed at that time of morning, so it was mostly her daughters who have no say in the matter. The boy that went (don't remember which one) criticized the teacher saying that one teacher couldn't pay attention to & teach so many kids, that's why he was so happy to be homeschooled. Well we have all seen the SOTDRD & it's results & I would give them a huge failure mark. What a waste of kids curiosity & any talent they might possess. They are all little robots!

rowa said...

What a thought that is. If Jimbob went to his heavenly reward, Josh would be in charge of Michelle and all the children, including the ones he sexually abused who are not yet married.
The Duggar saga has just begun.

Ingrid said...

Why is this Sierra woman saying she is "ugly crying"?? Can she not find peace talking to the Lord, praying or being with her many children and her wonderful husband? Does anyone know what she is talking about?

mickey said...

She barely speaks Spanish, and obviously has zero medical training. Those women in CA are savvy.

mickey said...

Duggars only do volunteer work or missionary work that suits them. Nothing really strenuous. And getting paid, or having cameras filming the "volunteer" work is the goal.

Really, why go to another country to convert heathens? There are plenty right here, in the USA. Volunteer work? Plenty to do here, go to Appalachian area, or better yet, Detroit. Help build homes for Habitat for Humanity.

I guess that is just not "special" enough.

too bad,so sad said...

I agree with everything Just Unbelievable said, but would like to add one more thing that the Duggar children missed out on. That is the reality of where they stand in the world. I think I see a lot of The Dunning–Kruger effect. It is a cognitive bias in which relatively unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their ability to be much higher than it really is.

This is not their fault, and I believe they all have talents and abilities that are not fully blossomed because their parents, fans and the media make much ado about a budding, but not flowering talent. If they had opportunities to just be "part of the crowd" they would acknowledge that talent and skills take a lot of work and there are others out there just better than they are.

It is sad to see one of them play the piano at home and be labeled "a concert pianist," Another volunteers as a junior on the fire dept. and fans see him/them as firefighters without the grueling years and years of training. One sells one car and is labeled as a car flipper, one writes a blog and labels himself a "writer." Two have a go fund me, travel to CA and are "missionaries." Two girls throw together some outfits and are "fashion advisors." and it goes on and on. There is nothing wrong with doing any of the above, but because of the high praise they do not see how important it is to put years and years of work into becoming the best at what they do.

These poor kids are "schooled" not educated. They are taught only what to think. They have never been taught how to think rationally and logically. In my own personal, fantasy world that is child abuse.

Willow said...

Regarding Josh inheriting the headship of the family if Jim Bob were to pass away: This is another thing that is just nonsense about the Patriarchal movement. I mean, Jim Bob gets to be the headship from a very young age, but his sons cannot be their own headship unless he dies? This may be different with different families (I hope so). I mean, IMO, according to their criteria, as soon as the children marry, shouldn't they be their own headship? What's the point? Hope I made sense LOL. Just my occasional random thoughts that make me shake my head.


Susie said...

The males are headships of their own families when they marry. If Jim Bob dies, his eldest son becomes the head of the family except in the case of Josh who has probably lost this future position. It would now go to John David. I expect many of the daughters and sons of this family and the Bates to be out of the cult in the next decade. I look forward to seeing some of them thrive in the real world. It is ridiculous and shameful to have adult male wage earners like Lawson and John David and others living in the parents dorms and letting their mother and sisters do their laundry and feed them. The girls just need to get in a car and drive......do not marry.......drive!

Ruby said...

Sierra is emotional and pregnant again perhaps? Maybe that's what the "ugly crying" comment was about?

Big kite said...

I doubt John David makes enough money to live on his own. Also, not sure he has the maturity.

Elspeth said...

John David said on the show last season that he still lives at home.

Rudy Tecat said...

Perhaps Sierra googled herself and found some comments made on this page. Honestly, when will people learn that when you become a public figure, you open yourself up to criticism. You can't have it both ways. And, maybe the you can learn a thing or two from the critic.

Chloe said...

Well Rudy, this "reality" both the Duggars & Sierra Slug will never grasp. They just can't their pseudo cult clouds their thinking & everything they do in life. It's the dumbing down of their lives.

Just Unbelievable said...

Re:Big kite's comments about John David. Since John owns his own home that has no mortgage, as it was gifted to him by the bank after he did a great deal of work for them cleaning up properties owned by the bank, I do think he could live on his own. He is the only one that does jobs outside the Duggar home & is paid for them. I know he would have the usual expenses ,i.e. taxes etc. but they can't really be too high in that area.Jim Bob has said more than once on camera when speaking to John, that he cannot live in the home he owns & worked for unless he's married. There's the Duggar thinking for you. A grown man that worked very hard & obtained a home for himself but his daddy won't let him move out & live in it. I think John is a quite & sensitive young man & it was obvious when he was forced to do his father's bidding & make that remark about "the Devil took his best shot at us." Anyone else remember the time the entire family was outside the house using their homemade water slide & Jim Bob & Michelle announced that they were "expecting" again. Jim Bob went over to John & said "I was so surprised when momma asked me to come into the bathroom & showed me a pregnancy test & said "you're a dad again." He then asked John if he was excited about the them "expecting" again & John was so embarrassed he was looking down at the ground & shuffling his feet back & forth. Finally Jim Bob aid "You're a great big brother." At that point in time, that cameraman said "you sure know how to keep a show going Jim Bob." As I mentioned John is a quite & sensitive young man. I see nothing wrong with a man who has those qualities, as I have a wonderful hubby with those traits. He's just in the wrong family!

KatieP said...

Sierra is a very Silly woman who sorely lacks talent, dignity, & the ability to know when to speak or not to speak. Clearly, Sierra exhibits all if the behavior of one who is a Hillbilly red neck. I am not nor have I ever been impressed with Sierra. Sierra disgusts me.

As a matter of a fact... said...

Just saw the anniversary post of Michelle and JB on another website. That dating picture where they are kissing by the car is so annoying. The fact they could date normally but their kids have to be chaperoned by a 10 yr.old or however old the juvenile is, is ridiculous!! And then they have that picture published on their website and it is like, hey kids look what we did as teens that even you adult kids can't do! That is sick!! If they are so against of premarital EVERYTHING, they should be ashamed of themselves, not plastering their premarital kissing photo,when they were just kids, all over their own family website. That is a true hypocrite!

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