Don't Forget the Duggar Wedding on Sunday

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105 comments:

Dee Dee said...

I've been waiting for this wedding since September!

fostersmom said...

I really don't want to see sex ed classes from Jim Bob or Cousin Amy. Doesn't Josh have any male friends that could explain kissing to him rather than his cousin?

Tanya said...

I know that this isn't the right post to make this comment but Jim Bob and Michelle were on THE VIEW today. They both looked great and were so nice. I know that some question their choice to have so many children but they absolutly shine.

luna1580 said...

@fostersmom-

i couldn't agree with you more, but all his friends are likely to have the same beliefs and lack of experience, coming from similar upbringings. the D kids don't seem to have social ties to families different from their own.

even if he has a like-minded and married friend, i doubt JimBob would want him to hear any un-vetted info in an "official" capacity. but josh does have internet access, doesn't he....?

Harriet said...

I was doing a little reading about Duggar and fundamentalist belief this afternoon in preparation for the wedding episode. One thing I read said that "sexual impurity was the worst sin" one could commit. I had to read it twice and shake my head. They think it's worse than murder? I wasn't really brought up with grades of sin, but if we had put them in order I think murder, blasphemy, and unbelief would have trumped sex every time.

Alli Byers said...

Harriet---
Where did you read this? Can you post a link please?

em said...

I have some major issues with how much the parents depend on the older girls to watch the younger ones. There was also a comment that the girls don't get to get away from home much, its like they are strapped to the house to work.

Also, I didn't know where to post this, but earlier tonight they had the arrival of the 18th, and they were looking at baby stuff, cribs, car seat covers, blah blah blah...they have a TON of children, why would they need to buy more baby/kid stuff???

SadForTheGirls said...

The older girls are worked to death at home, and even when they took a 'vacation', they were put to work sewing the dresses and preparing for the wedding (i.e., the flowers in the church, etc.) This makes me very sad for the girls.

Harriet said...

Sorry, I didn't bookmark the site. If I run into it again, I'll post it.

em said...

AAAAAHHHHH!!!!! transfer of authority?????

Anonymous said...

What did Anna's father say about dancing and why there was none at the wedding? I turned it on during that part-what's wrong with the first dance as a married couple, mother-son dance, father daughter dance..and I'm pretty sure that regular, modest dancing doesn't evoke sexual desire!

SadForTheGirls said...

I was a big fan of Papa Keller during the engagment episode. He was so sweet and supportive about ooh-ing and ahh-ing over her ring. Not so wild about his 'transfer of authority'. He's got it 1/2 right. He (and Mama Keller) were Anna's authority until Anna was 18, but beyond that she's her own authority now. Well done!

Otherwise, I loved this episode. The wedding was beautiful and heartfelt and sweet.

SSB said...

What did Anna's father say about dancing and why there was none at the wedding? I turned it on during that part-what's wrong with the first dance as a married couple, mother-son dance, father daughter dance..and I'm pretty sure that regular, modest dancing doesn't evoke sexual desire!
Southern Baptists, in my experience, do not dance at wedding receptions - ever. There are never any of the dances seen at weddings common to some other denominations or cultures. It's normal for them. :)

Can't Believe This said...

AHHHH - These people are SO terrible!! No dancing?? Transfer of authority? Be submissive to Josh and he rule over her?? Let GOD decide how many kids? God doesn't get women pregnant - men do.

Why did Anna's parents name her sister SuzANNA? Doesn't that seem redundant?

It looked like Anna wanted to wipe off her lips after her different kisses with Josh - like he had really bad breath or slimed her or something.

Also, I must echo a comment posted earlier - POOR older Duggar girls - you can see how much work they have to do. Like when Jim-Bob said it was like having young kids again - HELLO, you DO have young kids, you're just not used to taking care of them!! You make your poor older children do that. The purpose of having children is not to make them take care of other children!!

And quite frankly, I was embarrassed with Jim-bob's "birds and bees" talk - Josh is what? 20? 21? If he doesn't know that stuff, apparently his home schooling has failed. This should not be new knowledge for someone in their 20s. Also, I didn't think Amy was trying to be loving and helpful with her advice - I think she was making fun of Josh (with good reason!!)

I cannot stand the Duggars - but it's like watching a car-wreck - you can't help but look when you drive by!! I hope some of those poor Duggar girls break free in the future.

Mary in Ohio said...

I couldn't stand to watch at the end when Josh and Anna were listening to the "how to sex tape" in the car on the way to the hotel. ICK!

Anonymous said...

Was anyone else as surprised as I was at what a pit Anna's parents' house is? It looked old and run down. Like a really badly kept up mobile home.
I have nothing against big families, but if you cannot properly house your family and provide for them then limit your reproductivity. Its not fair to force kids to live in filth based on a principle.

Papa Keller talked about his "authority" over his wife and daughters etc..... Where's his responsibility to give them a decent house to live in? He acts like a big shot but he's so far from that.

Anna hit the jackpot. A decent house and a husband with a used car dealership is such a huge move up.

RandiWarhol said...

Many things disturbed me about this episode, including: transfer of authority, Anna's expressions after awkward kisses, NO dancing....

But... did anyone else get grossed out by the sloppy women in the kitchen mixing various food salads with their hands?! ICK!

It also grossed me out that many many jokes and references we pointed toward the fact that they needed to make haste after the wedding reception, because they we going to have sex!

BTW: depending on where you received your broadcast of this show, a commercial for "The morning after pill" was clearly shown. I laughed at the irony!

Oh, and the "honeymoon" hotel that Anna and Josh we staying in- it looked pretty dumpy. Even though we didn't see the room, I still wasn't impressed.

Anonymous said...

BTW: depending on where you received your broadcast of this show, a commercial for "The morning after pill" was clearly shown. I laughed at the irony!

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I saw that commercial too, during the repeat at 12am EST. At first I thought I must have changed the channel without realizing it, but nope, I was still watching TLC. That was hilarious!
Apparently the Duggars don't have any say so about the advertisements shown during their show.

Stacey T said...

I thought the episode was cute. This is their life. This is how they want to live it. The wedding was absolutely beautiful. I LOVE that the dresses were made by Anna and the girls. What a treasure. I felt that Anna was able to voice her opinions about what she liked and didn't like and didn't always defer to Josh for what he wanted. Oh, and Josh was able to put a stop to the "birds and bees" talk, but I felt what JimBob said about honoring his wife, and listening, to her, and that women talk differently is so true. How can you fault that? At first I thought it was hokey that Josh was going to sing to Anna, but seriously, it was really great. People can pick apart the religion, but these kids are really cute, and I wish them all the best in their marriage.

Also, I know it's not this thread, but my husband was raised Southern Baptist, they didn't drink, dance, even drink caffeine. It was very strict. They would have never been allowed to attend another church to see what it was like. Heck, he was in church so much that he wore the hair off his legs permanently scratching at his socks.

iheartmyhubby said...

It seemed to me that they put quite an emphasis on sex, like it runs their lives. They don't dance because that's when men "lust" after women (ick to whatever man is lusting after a woman while dancing with her at a wedding.) They can't kiss or be alone together for even a minute for fear they won't be able to stop themselves from having sex. They purposely dress the women in ridiculous outfits so they won't look remotely attractive (did you notice the Bates girls and their horrible matching dresses?) WTF? Why can't people live and interact without sex being at the forefront of their minds? If you want your kids to abstain, seems like reminding them about sex with everything they do is a little wierd. Totally grosses me out.

BTW, the hotel they stayed at was the Holiday Inn Express. You could see it on the key card envelope.

Maria said...

In response to someone above, YES I thought it was gross that the women were mixing food with their hands. Either use a spoon or put some gloves on. Yuck.

And as for their first kiss, I would have thought it would have been softer, and I suspect maybe Anna wanted it to be softer, too, but Josh looked like he went overboard and too rough. Again, yuck.

SadForTheGirls said...

Regarding the "sloppy women in the kitchen mixing various food salads with their hands", at least one of the women (the woman on the left) was wearing a clear plastic glove on her mixing hand. I don't know about the other woman. I'll double check when I watch the episode again. Still, glove or not, that just looks gross. Even when I see fancy-schmancy chefs on the Food Network do that, it turns my stomach. Use a spoon or spatula please!

I, too, was surprised at how poor Anna's house was. The first hint of poverty was the film clip where it looks like they are driving on a wet dirt road before they got to Anna's house. It probably would have been better if they had not shown the outside of the house. Still, even the footage of inside of the house looked cramped. Where did all 5 Duggar girls sleep?

I was impressed w/ the dresses on many levels. They were beautiful, simple, and elegant, even down to that silver detail that was on the skirt of the dress where the light blue panel of fabric was. I was surprised at how stylish the dresses were given how (sometimes) unstylish the girls' clothing is. Even though those dresses and hairstyles would not be considered stylish for most weddings, it was still impressive that they did that all themselves (sewing dresses, doing their own hair and makeup, etc.) After all, that’s pretty much a bunch of teenage, or near teenage girls.

While I agree w/ the other poster that a few slow dances would have been nice, they didn’t seem to want anything that would extend the wedding reception.

I’m not a big fan of Jim Bob but I thought what he had to say about women was sweet. Josh’s reaction to Anna when he saw her was also sweet (didn’t he look like he so wanted to kiss her?), and his singing to her was truly a sweet moment. To me, those were two of the nicest moments of the wedding.

That said, I really like Anna. She voiced her own opinion. Ditto to the person who said she hit the jackpot considering where she came from.

Good Grief ! said...

"Transfer of authority" from Anna's dad to Josh ?

What is this, the pilgrim days?

Yet another example of how the women in that circle are not allowed to have an original thought in their head...

I can just hear it now....

Anna: "Josh, may I drive to the store to get tampons?"
Josh: "Well, I don't know, do you really need them?"

ffemtmomof4 said...

I thought it was a very good episode. I am not Baptist but can understand most of their beliefs.

The authority part is from the Bible. I can't rememebr where at right now but I think it is in Corinthans somewhere.

I see no problem with dancing but hey it is their wedding and their beliefs.

If I heard correctly Anna's Dad is in Christian ministry. They never said what he did but I am thinking somesort of missions work because the Church where the wedding was held at was a sponsering Church of theirs. So they have to rely on donations for all their expenses. I didn't see a problem with ehir home. Yes, it was small but it looked very clean and homey.

I did feel bad for the older girls because it seems like they made a big deal out of the fact that Michelle needed them at home. I think their is a fine line between helping out at part of the family and having too much responsibility. I know I have a 15yo son and 2 preschooler with another baby on the way and my son helps out alot. But he does it as part of the family and we make sure that it never causes him to miss things in his life.

mamawama said...

Like it or not, there is a Bible verse that talks about men having headship over their wives. BUT men are also supposed to love their wives like Christ loved the church. So, if you are a Bible believer, I can totally understand why they make statements about transfer of authority etc.
Our culture says at 18 children become adults, but that isn't anywhere in the Bible.

I think that when the older girls are home the chores and divided out more evenly. When they leave, naturally it is harder to clean that big house and run things smoothly. Is it wrong to make children work? I would so much rather see girls ( and boys) with a strong work ethic than the lazy things most teens are today. Many teens are so enthralled with the game systems and dating, if you ask them to take out the trash they act like you've commited a major crime. Are the Duggars really so bad?

I thought the inside of Anna's parents house was clean and neat. It didn't look so great from the outside, but what can you do to make siding look better?

I thought Amy's silliness at the cake table was uncalled for. Is she jealous that Josh got married first? She acted like a 12 yo.

NessaES said...

Amy annoyed the crap out of me. You could see it on Josh and Anna's faces too. Amy needs to go home now, and STAY THERE.

I have to disagree about Jim Bob's advice. It seemed to me like something you would say about a new puppy. You know? Just pay it some attention, pat it on the head every now and then, show it who's boss and you've got a friend for life. It was just all wrong (to me) for many reasons.

JackfromNY said...

I was flipping back and forth between various things last night and only caught parts of the episode.

But it seemed like every time I turned to it, there was something about the wedding ring.

First almost forgetting it in Arkansas.
Then leaving it in the car when the saranwrapped the car.
Then not having it at the ceremony, which was the funniest part because they had just spend who knows how long getting it out of the car, you would think they would have somebody hold onto it.


On a side note, I don't normally watch this show. The few times I have watched it, I felt that the Duggars had an attitude, like they think they're better than everybody else.

Seems like the older girls mostly, they seem to roll their eyes and look annoyed at everything.

Like in last night's episode, when some of them were out at dinner, and the server guy was joking around with them. I thought the girls eyes were gonna roll inside their heads. The guy was just being friendly to customers, but they had to act like it was worst thing in the world that he was being nice to them.


Maybe that's just me, IDK.

Anonymous said...

I have never commented before, but I do read the board. Wierd, strange ... I could come up with a few other words to describe the Duggars. They treat all women like slaves, poor Jim Bob couldnt even handle the small children because the older girls and Michelle were gone. Guess that means you should stop having children if you cannot handle them.
They waiter where they ate at, he was just trying to be friendly, but I have to admit, he was a tad bit on the creepy side, I probably would have giggled too.
The whole sex talk ... that was just uncalled for. My God, seriously, was is necessary? Was that for real? If it was, then I wonder what they would think of my 16yo daughter who kissed her boyfriend goodbye last night before he drove home? I cant imagine what they think of her. That is really almost too wierd to believe, they never kissed before the wedding, they just talked about it? WTF?
The whole thing was really unsettling, I laughed alot throughout the episode , Josh seemed like he wanted to have sex right there in the church!! lol yuc. And did I hear correctly there were still *chaperognes* until the wedding day?? For real, who does that? I told my daughter she had to have a chaperogne from now on, she just laughed. Creepy, wierd, strange, stone age??
The dresses the Bates girls had on, WTH is up with that? If I were them, I would break free, that is just not normal at all.
The whole episode was really nauseating, from beginning to end.

BLECH

Anonymous said...

You cannot really criticize Anna's
parents' house, it isn't very different then the rental house the
Duggars had. I grew up in a large
family(9) and it is hard to keep
everyone clean fed educated safe
entertained- and then worry about
the decor. Once we were all
grown my parents' house was
beautiful! The amount of
money you have after the kids
leave multiplies! I think the
Duggars are the exception rather
then the rule to how large families live.

Sully said...

I enjoyed the episode last night, and I thought the drinking/dancing stuff was their choice - their wedding. I wsa very bothered though by the fact that the older girls "can't get away from home" and that Jim Bob and Michelle can't seem to function without them. I think its great that they help out - I know that is missing in alot of teenagers lives these days - but that they are relied on that heavily, it just doesn't seem fair. What happens as they marry and move away? I'm sure Jim Bob and Michelle will continue having babies - who will take care of them? Will the boys be pressed into service to cook and clean and change diapers?

Aretheyforreal said...

I wonder what would happen if Anna and Josh turn out to have a fertility problem. If God's in charge of deciding when children come, does that mean if she can't get pregnant, they aren't allowed to seek treatment?

Aretheyforreal? said...

I felt like the show last night was very demeaning to women. He's in charge of her? Her father hands her over to him? His father advises her problems may seem silly and ridiculous but if he listens to her, she'll let him have sex with her? His sisters are there to sew and decorate, etc, when they aren't taking care of the babies Michelle and Jim Bob have chosen to have?

SSB said...

I'm so over cousin Amy. In fact I'm starting to think she's more of an immature spoiled brat. Why did she need to push herself in front of the camera so much in this episode? It wasn't about her it was about Josh and Anna. They didn't want the car all messes up so Amy has to go do exactly what they don't want. They don't want cake smashed faces so she has to try to make a cake mess. What is she two years old?

Cee said...

I am so sad...I had a long post typed up earlier but I think I messed something up so I am going to try again...


Here are some of the things about this episode that totally annoyed me...and kind of weirded me out too...

1)The empasis on sex was disturbing, I agree with iheartmyhubby's comment from earlier completly. I have been to many weddings and never seen sex implied as much as last night.

2) Josh and Anna's handholding death grip at all times...do you think they have toned that down now that they can have sex? Also when they had their first kiss Josh looked like he wanted to eat her face. I guess he was hungry...that food looked nasty.

3) I usually find cousin Amy pretty funny but she needed to back off with the cake. That was really immature for her to try and steal the spotlight like that.

4) Did anyone else find it strange when Josh ripped Anna's train she turned it around and made it her fault. She said something like "I didn't know he had stepped on it and I kept walking" I applaude her for staying calm but it seems she has the submissive wife part down already.

5) Lastly this episode highlighted their patriachal society in a very in-your-face way...which made me so sad for those girls. mr. kellers comments were crazy! can someone please let me know where in the bible it says anything about the wine Jesus made at the wedding actually being grape juice...I don't recall it saying that anywhere but I guess I could be wrong haha.

While I think the Duggars are crazy, I love watching the show and I can't wait for the new season on Tuesday!!!

Stacey T said...

My husband was always told that the wine that Jesus made was never the fermented alcoholic wine that we have today, it was really just grape juice....(southern baptist).

P/S I mix meatloaf with my hands every time, and I knead dough with my bare hands....

Anonymous said...

Okay, Jim Bob and Michelle have their first child "married off"...did anyone notice that when they did the spoof of Josh proposing to Anna at the rehearsal dinner, they used Jana as "Anna" and one of the Bates boys as "Josh" (this was one of the boys they interviewed in the episode where the Bates family stayed with the Dugger's for a week or so). Can the Dugger's and Bates' be "plotting" a marriage between Jana and the Bates boy? Wouldn't put it past them to be doing this. Then, when Anna tossed her boquet, the oldest Bates girl (the pretty one with strawberry-blonde hair) caught the boquet!! Could this be the future wife for John David...after all Jana and John David are fraternal twins and are around 18 years old, just the age when Josh and Anna got to know each other. Hey, they could save money and have a double wedding ceremony!!

Aunt Bee said...

That wasn't a Bate's boy playing Josh. that was his brother, John David....Jana's twin.

Aretheyforreal said...

I was wondering about the twins, too. At eighteen, it's about that time, don't you know....

In every episode since the wedding, Josh has his arm tightly around Anna, or they are holind hands, or he is hugging her tightly.

Tater Tot said...

I like the Duggars. I just do. They grew on me.

But I was NOT expecting Josh to start belting out a song during the ceremony, and I spit my drink out all over the place and choked. I thought that was so....tacky is the only word I can come up with. I would have been 100% MORTIFIED if my husband sang to me like a wanna-be opera singer in front of a wedding congregation. She had to have been embarrassed. How could she not have been?

Josh....keep your day job. Put the microphone down and back away. Leave stuff like that to those who've been blessed with a singing voice. I still love ya, but that was not good.

overwithKON said...

I'm so over cousin Amy. In fact I'm starting to think she's more of an immature spoiled brat. Why did she need to push herself in front of the camera so much in this episode? It wasn't about her it was about Josh and Anna. They didn't want the car all messes up so Amy has to go do exactly what they don't want. They don't want cake smashed faces so she has to try to make a cake mess. What is she two years old?

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I so totally agree???? I dont understand the counsin Amy thing AT ALL. She is a cousin, that is it. I think they(Duggars) may be trying to keep her in their relm, but she is so annoying and she get ways more air time than ANY of the Duggar girls. She is not part of their *family* and I really dont like it at all. It was about Josh and Anna, and I thought their wedding was great! Again, I like them for THEM. Cousin Amy can go away..... Really, am I missing something here, I didnt see any of their shows until this past Sept.

Fill me in =0)

Anonymous said...

I grew up Southern Baptist in Miami, Florida. No one ever said Jesus turned the wine into grape juice.

However, a few years ago I moved to a small town in the Georgia mountains and I've definitely heard it here. They especially use that argument to justify keeping wine and beer sales illegal. It's their answer to people who say Jesus turned water into wine, so it must not be bad.

Funny thing though . . . they never do explain the stories of drunkeness in the bible or the admonishments against being drunk. How did so many people get drunk on grape juice?

What about that guy in the Old Testament who was so drunk he passed out naked and his daughters had to walk backwards with something to cover him up so they wouldn't see him?

Maria said...

I just wanted to add that I agree with everyone who said Amy was acting VERY immature in last night's episode. You could tell that Josh and Anna were both very upset when she smashed cake on Josh's face. She should not have even been up there at that point. And as for the car. Well, you can always cut off the saran wrap to get in and they didn't write anything dirty on the outside. That can always be washed off. But tieing cans on the car and messing up the inside. I would have been pissed. If it were me, leaving my wedding to go to the hotel, I would NOT want to step into a car that had been trashed. I'm sick to DEATH of Amy.

And Amy's dress wasn't too flattering, either. She almost looked pregnant!

And ditto to everyone who says there was too much sex talk. Yes, we get it, you are getting married and will have sex that night. Guess what, everyone who gets married has sex on their wedding night and most of us did it a million times before the wedding night, so SHUT UP about it already.

Cee said...

Tater Tot I agree completly on the singing! He seemed like he would have had an ok voice on his own but he was totally trying to sound like an opera singer!!! Did anyone else catch the fact that it was, in his own words, a "children's song" If you are singing a childrens song maybe you are too young to get married! I think at my wedding I will sing "I Love You" by Barney the Purple Dinosaur. Maybe Josh can give me some tips!

Tigerfan said...

Why is everyone so upset about 'authority'? I see it as I want to respect my husband. Didn't your father's walk you down the aisle to 'give you away'? And wouldn't the minister have asked, 'who gives this woman to this man'?

Hit a nerve said...

Nooooooooooo. I was married many, many long years ago and I walked myself down the aisle and no one gave me away. I have children older than the Duggars and I was no man's property to be given then and my kids will have a fight if they think someone is giving them away also. They will get married on their own, voluntarily, and independently.

Anonymous said...

Don't worry, GoodGrief! Anna probably won't ever have to ask Josh to go get tampons, because if she follows the Duggar family planning method, she will never have a period. They probably don't allow the girls to use tampons anyway.

Its A Good Thing said...

I like the Duggars, yes they are a tad weird but I do like them. I guess because where Im from people are like that around here, mind you nobody has 18 children but 8 or more is common. Last nights episode was really sweet and I think Josh and Anna really do love each other. Also Im looking forward to the new season on Tuesday's!

Wendy Bird said...

I agree with the comments about Amy. I think that because she is an aspiring country singer, the Duggar's were generous enough to allow her to appear on their show. Now she seems to be making fun of them all of the time.

I think that their "creepy factor" is off the charts, but I don't need Amy to point out the obvious. Yes, we get it, "Amy Jordyn." You want to be famous too! Now stop making fun of the people who got you on TV!

Anonymous said...

overwithKOn -Amy Jordyn Duggar is
trying to start a career as a
country singer-in one episode this
year her parents thank the Duggars for all they have done for Amy-
I think they are promoting her to
help her singing career and maybe
she will give them a cut of the
money she makes? I agree with you
that she came out of nowhere and
is very over the top!

gwop2009 said...

Josh said earlier this month that he wants a bigggggg family!

http://www.parentdish.com/2009/01/12/joshua-duggar-wants-a-big-family/

There just are no words for the overabundance of sexual talk, fantasy grape juice and authority.

My guess is early on in the new season, Anna will announce a blessed event. They can turn one of the used cars into a nursery.

Anonymous said...

All I could think of was how bad poor Anna's hair looked. Of all the girls that have the perms hers looks the absolute worst!

Munchkn said...

My dad walked me down the aisle, but he didn't give me away. That custom isn't followed in Catholic weddings, thank goodness!

Several people have commented about the Southern Baptist Church and dancing and so forth. I grew up Southern Baptist, albeit in a moderate congregation, but dancing certainly wasn't frowned on in our church. I always thought it was funny when people would say that Baptists were against dancing. Church of God (Cleveland, TN) yes, or maybe Wesleyan Methodist, but not Southern Baptist. Fundamentalist independent Baptists were the Baptists were the ones who were against dancing. Southern Baptists did frown on drinking, but they didn't preach that the wine at the wedding at Cana was grape juice. And one more thing, even though the Southern Baptist Church has grown more conservative, I'd bet that Anna's family's church was an independent Baptist church. Not all Baptist churches in the South are members of the Southern Baptist denomination.

RandiWarhol said...

I'm glad that someone mentioned Josh's singing! Ugh....

As far as Stacey T's comment goes: I thought that it was highly unsanitary for any of those women to mix food with bare hands. Gloved hands are at least more sanitary. Many people don't pay attention to possible minor scrapes and cuts on skin, as well as dirt and grime under fingernails that is almost always ignored. Unsanitary!

OH, and before I forget: It's going to be very interesting to see the Duggars doing some sightseeing. Traditional tourists... fanny packs and all. Especially when the commercial preview saw them gazing upon "interesting glassware"....

Oh dear....

Anonymous said...

If they "catch" anything from the salads, it probably won't be from the mixing, but from the sitting around those sandwiches did. Mayo and non-refridgeration don't go well together....ha

Wendy Bird said...

After Amy's inappropriate behavior at the wedding, I would buy a CD of Josh singing before I would ever buy hers...and there would have to be a gun to my head to by a CD of Josh singing.

voyeur said...

I find it hard to believe that "Daddy Duggar" explains sex the night before the wedding. Too little,too late. Oh, to have been a fly on the wall that night. My bet is that she is pregnant already after many failed attempts. I assume that TLC's new program will be "O and counting" it should be a long running show of about 20yrs or more. Partnered back to back with "Gosselins 8 and Psychotherapy".

BoredbyDuggars said...

I grew up Southern Baptist but all of this talk about Baptists and dancing reminds me of my favorite joke:

"Why don't Southern Baptists have sex standing up?"


"Someone might think they are dancing."

gwop2009 said...

LOL @ voyeur. I was thinking more along the lines of "Making Baby: A New Duggar Beginning"

The transfer of authority is just medieval.

i wish... said...

I wish I grew up with those Duggar values! AND I wish I had the security of their marriages. I walked myself down the aisle, proudly independent...however my independent mouth/attitude/spirit has gotten me in heaps of trouble over the years. I wish I was as humble as Anna and Michelle, and as joyous. Maybe they are onto something really good. Old fashioned, yes, but so? They seem very valued, treasured, loved and secure in my opinion. Good for them!

soulsista said...

someone has to be the leader. i've always heard that a house divided against itselft cannot stand. i would MUCH rather an "authority figure" in a husband who adores, cherishes, loves me and wants to treat me like a princess, than to be a queen tyrant b**** (as in kate g.) hmmm...

Shel said...

Who cares!? if they don't drink or dance. I enjoy the Duggars. They are real, and they are who they are. period. we can choose to watch or not. I personally find them refreshing in this day and age. You don't have to agree with everything. But they have my respect. They give a different perspective, very wholesome. What's wrong with that? You can always change the channel, or open your mind. I like them and will keep watching the show. I hope my kids act more like them rather than most anything else on TV!

amymustgo!! said...

Love this show...but Amy must go! Seriously, stick her annoying butt on a greyhound and ship her away. anywhere! Who does she think she is!!! grrr!

IhatePerms said...

I thought Anna looked much better with her hair and makeup done for the wedding. I hope she keeps it up on regular days, but sadly I think she'll go back to the wet mousse/perm look. (BTW, I guess they aren't so pilgramy afterall, they did try for the wedding to be stylish and fixed up.) I just don't get the perms.

notgreatbutcute said...

OK, OK, the guy couldn't sing so great. But hey this is not American Idol. I thought it was kind of sweet that he tried to do that. It was kind of a gift to her. I would have personally been uncomfortable standing there listening in front of everyone, but I would have given him points for putting himself out there in song. His heart was in the right place--stop the razzing.

RandiWarhol said...

I forgot to mention one more thing:

Did anyone think is was very strange that though they did not allow dancing, alcohol, premarital kissing:

they allowed a GARTER to be tossed?

I just wanted to throw that out there.

Anonymous said...

"All I could think of was how bad poor Anna's hair looked. Of all the girls that have the perms hers looks the absolute worst!"

Does anyone know where this hairstyle came from and if all the girls in this religion have the same 'do? The part I find the strangest is the little straight piece in front that's parted on the side and pulled across the forehead and tucked behind the ear. It looks like the comb-over some bald guys do.

Also, where did the "uniform" all these girls wear originate? You know, the long skirt, top and sandles. The Bates girls don't dress this way and they have totally different hair, so I guess it's not across the board in this community.

swissmiss said...

I had to switch channels when they droned on and on about the sex talk. WE GET IT - if you are married, you can have sex. Geez.

Jim Bob, if you had such a hard time getting along without the older girls for a while, maybe that should TELL you something. When Michelle finally quits having babies (like 20 years from now), and the older kids 'age out' of living with the family, you are going to have your hands more than full managing the younger ones until they become more self-sufficient.

I must say that Jim Bob and Michelle are so incredibly young-looking it's hard to believe they could be old enough to have a married child. Maybe they saw that old movie "The Portrait of Dorian Gray" where the man never agred but his portrait in the attic did. I believe he made a pact with the devil! Huh.

PR said...

I love the Duggars. They really show how to live a Christian life. I don't feel my blood pressure rising when I watch the show..unlike some other shows on TLC that I've watched. I enjoyed watching the wedding episode..the only person who annoyed me was the cousin (Amy??). I don't think she should have gotten involved with the whole wedding cake thing. It seems like she wanted to be the center of attention. And her talking to Josh about the 1st kiss.

PR said...

Stacey T said...
I thought the episode was cute. This is their life. This is how they want to live it. The wedding was absolutely beautiful. I LOVE that the dresses were made by Anna and the girls. What a treasure. I felt that Anna was able to voice her opinions about what she liked and didn't like and didn't always defer to Josh for what he wanted. Oh, and Josh was able to put a stop to the "birds and bees" talk, but I felt what JimBob said about honoring his wife, and listening, to her, and that women talk differently is so true. How can you fault that? At first I thought it was hokey that Josh was going to sing to Anna, but seriously, it was really great. People can pick apart the religion, but these kids are really cute, and I wish them all the best in their marriage.

Also, I know it's not this thread, but my husband was raised Southern Baptist, they didn't drink, dance, even drink caffeine. It was very strict. They would have never been allowed to attend another church to see what it was like. Heck, he was in church so much that he wore the hair off his legs permanently scratching at his socks.

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Thanks Stacey T! I totally agree with you! When my cousin got married she didn't have any music, dancing or drinking at her wedding. It was a very nice time. Nothing awkward..people just ate and mingled.

NotSureAboutTheDuggars said...

Here's what keeps coming in to my mind. Please forgive me because I'm not overly religious so I don't understand some of this stuff but here goes -

Doesn't the no kissing/nothing but hand holding before marriage rule pretty much force these kids to marry earlier than they might have had they had the freedom to do some innocent "exploration"? I'm not really talking about sex, I do understand why some people don't have sex before marriage. But all of the other rather innocent stuff that teenagers and young adults do when they're in love, aren't these parents basically encouraging their 18-19-20 year olds to marry to that they can legally kiss? I just find that whole thing to be rather creepy. Imagine if you had to wait until marriage to kiss? Wouldn't that encourage you to get married months after you met someone instead of dating for a while and getting to know the other person? In a way, this is almost like an arranged marriage because outside of talking and hand holding, they don't know a lot about each other's day to day lives and habits. I kind of find that sad.

Jillybean said...

"In a way, this is almost like an arranged marriage because outside of talking and hand holding, they don't know a lot about each other's day to day lives and habits."

That's interesting you mention that because I mentioned to my husband while watching that it seems like some of these people are becoming more and more conservative and the next thing they will be promoting is arranged marriages.

And, yes, I do believe these kind of restrictions on intimacy encourage kids to marry in haste and repent in leisure. I've seen it firsthand when I was a member of a very conservative church.

Tigerfan said...

NotSureAbouttheDuggars and Jillybean,
I don't understand what you mean. How would kissing help you to know about someone's daily life and habits?

NotSureAboutTheDuggars said...

Tigerfan,

My point is that these kids are compelled to marry early because they can't do anything but talk and hold hands before marriage. Anyone who's married knows that there's a certain compatibility that people learn after they've been together for a while. Some of that is related to sex and some of that is personality and just being together (in a non sexual way) over an extended period of time. I don't think Josh and Anna really know that much about each other because they had a short, long distance courtship that really involved very little actual time spent together in any capacity. There seemed to be a lot of "her parents know my parents and we know that they are Christians" type of thing but not much else. I didn't see the wedding episode yet but according to everyone else, Josh basically ate Anna's face off at the kiss. Is that some kind of lust that he was forced to hold back for religious reasons? What is that about?

It seems to me that if the Duggar children were more free to express themselves (again, even in a non sexual way), they might not be marrying their children off so young.

mamawama said...

What else do you need to do before marriage besides talk and hold hands? Doesn't the talking part let you know if you are compatible?


I think that the Duggars know that Anna has the basic core beliefs that they have, and so she is considered ok.

How many people meet over the internet today and decide to get married without much face to face interactions? I think talking about important issues is more beneficial than kissing.

How many people today marry because they are sexually compatible, and they love love love each other, only to find out later it was mostly lust? They haven't talked much at all, and when the big issues like money and children come up, the marriage ends quickly. I think the Duggars are going about marriage in a much smarter way.

Serra C said...

I agree with Mamawama... I don't think that there is ANY reason to have sex before you get married. If everyone here is to be so naive to think you get to know if someone is going to be your marriage partner for life by having sex before marriage, I think your wrong. I believe that maybe people that LIVE together might find out those things, but not just because they had sex. I actually think that the just talking thing before marriage (even if it is just 3 months of engagement) is far more telling then kissing every two seconds....

Tigerfan said...

Exactly, Mawmawama. It makes me sad that sex before marriage is just accepted now.

em said...

Young kids getting married, they have not been "dating" that long (2 years long distance) and the "dating" that they had done, seemed to be over the internet and phone calls....Now, that is an OK way to START a relationship, but you have to spend time together, a lot of time together, to figure out if this is someone that you love and can spend the rest of your life with. He flew out to ask her to marry him, she looked as though she was on the 3rd date or something. Then they have only 3 months until they are married, they have never lived together, NEVER spent ANY time alone together. I truly believe that you need to have a mental/physical/emotional connection to someone BEFORE you can make the HUGE decision to commit to each other

tha squirrel watcha said...

I think Amy is being told to be obnoxious & say the things she does by the producers. I don't believe she is doing this on her own, I think it's how they are structuring the show, to have the "sidekick" causing trouble. There has not been any talk of her career on the show, so I don't think she is seeking fame through the show. She is probably just an only child & maybe has always been close to her cousins, that's why she's there, not so unusual.

The wedding shenanigans were again, producer enhanced. I saw some subtle bits of attitude in Anna as well! Good for her! JB's advice was sweet, but he really has no clue.

As far as Anna's family home, I think that's the result of living off the grid or perhaps on donations. The house was horrible, but seemed well organized. The grape juice thing was ridiculous. Really just more fuel for the idea that the bible is really translated differently by each religion, thus making one question it's true role in believing in God.

Cassie said...

I thought the whole wedding was sweet. Was it the way I would want it all to happen if it were me? No, but it's their choice. I think it's awesome that they have remained pure before the marriage. And for those saying the needed to be together more, my husband and I got to know each other the most while he was away for 5 months and we could only communicate through letters.

IowaGal said...

Whether Jesus turned the water to wine or grape juice really isn't the point of the wedding at Cana-- it is the fact that Jesus did it and he was there to celebrate the marriage. As for Southern Baptists and dancing/drinking, there is probably variation among churches. But I thought the Duggars would be considered independent Baptists and the people I've met belonging to that group tend to be the most conservative (and I'm a conservative evangelical). Just my two cents.
Oh, and I have met Jim Bob and some of the kids at a political event and they were down to earth and really nice. I got my picture taken with them!

Anonymous said...

I grew up Southern Baptist and did not have dancing or drinking at my wedding. I could have had it if I wanted it, but I would not have been able to have the reception at the church. Most Southern Baptist aren't as strict as the Duggars seem to be.

I think the wedding was beautiful. Yes, it was a little old fashioned, but that is what they wanted and I liked how the whole community came together to help. That would have made it more special to me.

What struck me as funny was Josh's views on Love and by giving his heart away a piece at a time. He seemed to have all the answers for someone who has never even kissed anyone.

I did like the talk Jim B had with Josh. It really didn't matter what was said. I am sure Josh knew what was what, but I liked that the Dad took time to sit him down and talk to him. I think more fathers need to do that!

Jim S said...

I was really surprised at how much I enjoyed the two wedding episodes. It was very, very sweet and although I probably shouldn't bring them up, a refreshing counterpoint to their TLC cohorts.

I do think the kids are a little looser when their parents, especially Jim Bob, aren't around. In fact, I could have done without any adults in the episodes...Anna's father is a drip and Jim Bob looks so stiff half the time you wonder why he ever agreed to putting the family on TV because he looks so damn uncomfortable.

mamawama said...

Em said:
Then they have only 3 months until they are married, they have never lived together, NEVER spent ANY time alone together. I truly believe that you need to have a mental/physical/emotional connection to someone BEFORE you can make the HUGE decision to commit to each other


Em,
Of course they have never lived together! Do you really think that people can live together and not have sex? "Cohabitation" is against their core beliefs. You do not have to live together to get to know someone. Actually there are studies out now that reveal cohabitating before marriage has a HIGHER divorce rate than people who don't live together.

I think that you can get to know someone mentally/ physically/ and emotionally without being alone with them. You talk and discuss how you feel. You know with all that hand holding that they were physically attracted to each other. And I totally believe you can fall in love with someone and be emotionally attached to them without being intimate.

I also find it funny that people make such a big deal over 20 yo's having sex for the first time, and how scared she must have been etc. But there is no mention of 14yo's who are having sex in the back of cars, and are probably scared to death. Aren't all girls scared the first time? It seems like our culture is completely backwards!

NotSureAboutTheDuggars said...

"You talk and discuss how you feel."

Yeah, and we're all SO open about our feelings when we're on a date with a chaperone? Gimme a break! How is it possible that those 2 could have spoken openly with each other when Jinger was always on their dates with them?

I didn't make a big deal about 20 year olds having sex for the first time. What I do think is a big deal is that they barely know each other outside of a controlled environment. How are you so sure that they even HAD sex on their wedding night? Of course it's only their business but I'd like to think that maybe Josh had enough class not to go from kissing to sex all in a matter of hours. They have the rest of their lives for sex; maybe, just maybe they only cuddled and "made out" that first night and had a proper lead-in to sex instead of suddenly going from their first kiss in the afternoon and sex that evening. I find that very low class and I'd like to think that Josh was raised better than that. Even though they are married and Anna was probably taught to "submit" to her husband, a real gentleman wouldn't have forced sex on a rather innocent girl all at once.

Utterly Enthralled said...

Such interesting topics to choose from I really wouldn't know where to start. So let me bring up something else that I found the most disturbing in this episode.

Josh and Anna were talking about how traditionally the bride and groom don’t see each other before the wedding. Anna made some comment about how the wedding was at 7:00 at night and that’s a reeeeallly long time to go without seeing each other.

Now, without getting hung up on the tradition aspect of this, don’t you think it’s interesting how going without seeing each other from the time you get up until 7:00 that night is perceived by the couple as a “really long time”? I mean I know they’ve probably been attached at the hip since the time they were engaged and have only spent time apart while sleeping, but is it really that hard to go ONE DAY without seeing your fiancĂ©? Normal people go without seeing their significant others for sometimes days at a time and these two can’t make it 12 hours! It just further reinforces my view that they are at the “enamored” stage of their relationship (since they are always in a death-grip hand hold with each other), which is fine, but I think that most relationships need to progress past that stage before they consider marriage. Just a thought.

When I heard her say that during the episode I decided I had to see if anyone else was struck by that comment as well.

em said...

Mamawana -
I miss-spoke when I said lived together...I was rushing while typing, I meant to say lived near each other, as in being able to spend a good amount of time near each other.

As for not being alone and not being able to get to know each other....oh no couple is going to be able to express themselves fully or discuss what is really on their mind when they are CONSTANTLY being watched, no way!!!

As for your retort on the comments about her being scared the first time they have sex, of course she is going to be! There is no discussion (or at least perceived to be none) of sex and intimacy with these children! They received a DVD to tell them all about it, how awful!
If you are well informed and are able to ask questions, then the chance of fear is greatly diminished.

LovedTheBridesmaidDresses said...

I thought the comment about going all day w/o seeing each other was a veiled way of saying, "The wedding is late already, if we have 1 hour for the ceremony (which is what they said during the episode), then another hour for pictures, no one will eat until 9pm, and then we'll never be able to leave".

This way, they started (or were supposed to start) the pictures at 5pm. If you try to take the pictures from 8pm to 9pm, the little kids might be tired and cranky, never mind trying to feed the little kids at 9pm. There were little Keller boys, Duggar and Bates kids.

Utterly Enthralled said...

LovedTheBridesmaidDresses -- I hadn’t thought of the comment that way. I guess that makes sense especially with the number of people in the bridal party, and how many of them were younger.

But then why not have the wedding earlier? I mean it seemed late to be starting a wedding anyway, and I know it was on a Friday, so maybe they were trying to accommodate work schedules or something, but I wondered about why they chose that time. Anyone have ideas about this?? Is it related to their religious beliefs in any way, or were there other factors involved? Maybe it was because they only scheduled the church three months beforehand?

Anonymous said...

Amy is just plain obnoxious. That cake fiasco was just in poor taste. But I'm looking forward to a future episode when Anna tells off Amy. Of course, it will be so nicely and politely done that you'll never know the rebuke was coming!

LovedTheBridesmaidDresses said...

I watched the episode again, and it was both Jill (the sister w/ the braces on her teeth) and Amy who started putting icing on Josh's face. I think Jill just tried to dab some icing on Josh's face/nose. Jill quickly scurried behind some wall while Amy stayed in the thick of it. After Josh managed to hurl a blob of icing on Amy's dress, Anna held his hand back while both he and she were saying something to the effect of "that's enough, that's enough". Anna was not smiling.

I can't imagine Jim Bob and Michelle being happy that Jill participated in something like that. It's really tacky, especially when you think that Josh and Anna didn't pay for that cake. It was donated by the goodwill of others. If you pay for your cake, you can do what you want w/ it (however tacky that may look to others) but when the cake is a gift, it's not nice to effectively trash the gift that someone made you w/ their bare hands, and out of the goodness of their hearts.

Also, there were no gloves during the mixing of the chicken/tuna/crab salad. Those ladies were using bare hands and they had their hands up to their forearms covered in the food mixture. Ugh!

Also, did you notice during the bouquet toss that Jana stayed off to the side as though she didn't want to participate? She was holding a plastic bouquet of her own and it looked very similar to the one that Anna tossed. And, after Erin Bates caught the bouquet, one of the Keller sisters (Pricilla? Susanna?) walked toward the camera and made a funny face as though she disappointed that she didn't catch the bouquet.

The world is John-David's oyster. He can pick from Keller sisters, Bates sister...

Erin said...

@LovedTheBridesmaidDresses

In reference to the people mixing food with their bare hands. That's not banned by any health department and is typical practice in any restaurant including several that I've worked at. That's how chefs are trained to mix large portions.

mamawama said...

Only speculating here, but after watching the hand holding sessions, I really don't think Anna was as scared as people think. I think she was probably into a night of romance too.

I also think the the Duggar kids will have a lower divorce rate than the average kid who has sex while still in high school, kisses 50 girls ( or boys) and lives with 2-3 girls before getting married.

Who really cares how the sex starts in marriage, they all get there eventually.

Anonymous said...

I can't stand Amy!! She is so obnoxious! The producers need to get rid of her. She is nothing but a troublemaker. I cannot believe that she shoved cake in Josh's face at his wedding, how rude and immature! And to encourage the younger kids to "trash" the car. Geez, its not just at the wedding. Every episode she does something totally uncalled for. i saw one episode where the family was feeding animals at a zoo and Amy was throwing the food at the Duggar kids.

MomOfThree said...

I really loved the wedding episode. I especially liked the fact that the community was so involved...the wedding cake, the food, the flowers, etc...and that Anna designed and made the bridesmaids' dresses. It goes to show that weddings do not have to cost a small fortune to turn out beautifully. I have been to over-the-top, very formal affairs and I, myself, prefer old-fashioned family oriented types like this was.

The one thing that did bother me was the vow they made to have as many children as God would give them. This is a fine intention but it is also a bit early to make that declaration. It would have been better if they said that they would have as many children as God felt they could raise. Anna may have difficult pregnancies, post partum depression, special needs children; in other words, even if her body is able to conceive, carry and bear many children, it may not be the best thing for her to do. I wish them all the best and hope they have as many children as they truly want. It would just be a shame for Anna to feel like a failure and that she is not honoring her vow (or her husband) if after three or four children she feels she cannot manage more.

JimBob has said on a few occasions that he has always left the number of children they had up to Michelle, so they must have some sort of back-up plan in mind for preventing pregnancy if Michelle wanted to call it quits... abstinence, maybe? In any case, I hope that Anna understands how every woman really is different and that she follows any advice or restrictions her doctor may give her in the future. Beyond that, I wish them all the best life has to offer!

MomOfThree said...

Can't Believe This said...
Why did Anna's parents name her sister SuzANNA? Doesn't that seem redundant?

Anna's mother's first name is Suzette, so perhaps "Suzanna" is derived from that. Maybe "Anna" is a family name and "Suzanna" and "Anna" are in honor of those women. Maybe the Kellers just liked those names.

The Duggars have "Joy-Anna" and "Johannah"; "Joseph" and "Josiah"; "Jeramiah" and "Jedadiah"...all similar sounding names. Personally, I would find this too confusing (and my mother gets tongue-tied with my kids very different names as it is) but obviously, some people are fine with it.

Shawna said...

Ugh... Cousin Amy. She's very sweet, don't get me wrong. And she's great with the kids, but I'm tired of her role in this show.

I live in the same town as the Duggar family. I saw Amy and her boyfriend at Walmart a few nights ago. How did I recognize her? I could hear her voice echoing down the aisle. I thought, "wow, that sounds like cousin Amy." Sure enough, it was. So, I don't think she acts crazy on the show for attention.. it's just her personality.

overwithKON said...

Well about 50 sents from me! LOL!.....

SadForTheGirls said...
The older girls are worked to death at home, and even when they took a 'vacation', they were put to work sewing the dresses and preparing for the wedding (i.e., the flowers in the church, etc.)
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I dont agree that they are worked to death. I dont think that they look any worse for the wear. They contribute to the need to clean, just like they contribute to the need to have vehicles and live in a house that the dad and boys work for. I really think that if these girls were being MADE TO WORK EVERY SECOND that they would act out some, maybe not. I know their beliefs are strict, but I think that JB and Michelle are showing them how to live, and how much work the real world is. Also the work ethic instilled in them is incredible!!!!

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My take on the no dancing thing.....
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It's their religion. Plain and simple, no pun intended. My dh grew up baptist this way, and yes it is strange to me(or was), but it was how he was raised. And we did have a DJ at our wedding(our choice), there were a few relatives that would not come to that part, but that is what they choose. Most of the freinds and relatives that were brought up with no dancing that did come to the whole wedding were gracious and loveing and did not judge us. Those people are also the family that have stayed in our lives the most ofver the last 14 years also. Its a personal choice, if they really wanted to dance, then maybe they would have chosen to also........
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Transfer of authority? Be submissive to Josh and he rule over her?? Let GOD decide how many kids?
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IMO transfer of authority is meant in the most positive sense. I really dont think that Anna is totally submissive to him. And I dont think Josh wants her to have no brains and just do what he says. Someone needs to be the head of the house, big deal. Yes both of them are, but I think our society is going downhill because of womens rights going *overboard* and forgetting that a married couple has to work togehter or not at all.

Kids? Well there is nothing wrong with leaving it up to God. I believe that if Anna gets 10 kids down the road and truely believe that she has had enough that God will see that and she will be done one way or another. I think it is such a tesitment that they are willing to listen to God and not just themselves.
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POOR older Duggar girls - you can see how much work they have to do. Like when Jim-Bob said it was like having young kids again
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Well I dont think that JB really cannot handle it. I think it was taken out of context, and I think anyone would and does make comments like that when someone signifigant to their everyday life is gone for whaterver reason. I know when my dh goes out of town (once a year for work) I get a reality check the hard way of how much he does for our family. Whether it is spider patrol or making the car payments. I would certainly feel overwhelmed if I had 4 to 5 main people in my life that suddenly werent there. I think anyone would.
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And quite frankly, I was embarrassed with Jim-bob's "birds and bees" talk - Josh is what? 20? 21? If he doesn't know that stuff, apparently his home schooling has failed.
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I agree, but I think it was mostly for the show. Boy am I glad they didnt do a whole half hour about just that! LOL! I think TLC thought they had to address this, and yes I think it was way overboard. But again, editting........ And I thought it was clear from Josh's answers that he knows, he has done his homework! LOL! And Josh and Anna seemed like they have discussed this alot, nothing wrong with that. Probably ALOT more than dh and I did b4 we did more than hold hands.
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Was anyone else as surprised as I was at what a pit Anna's parents' house is? It looked old and run down. Like a really badly kept up mobile home.
I have nothing against big families, but if you cannot properly house your family and provide for them then limit your reproductivity. Its not fair to force kids to live in filth based on a principle.
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I was suprised that Anna's parents house was a trailer, but not everyone can afford a huge house like the Duggars. And then to find out that they are sponsored by churches tells me daddy is a missionary of some sort. Even if they have always lived there, and that is his work, he cant directly decide his income, and it seems like they are humble and thankfull for what they do have. I dont think they lived in filth, that is a bad stereotype of trailers and trailer parks. If they are comfortable, who cares. They seem clean, well taken care of and happy. To me at least.
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BTW: depending on where you received your broadcast of this show, a commercial for "The morning after pill" was clearly shown. I laughed at the irony!
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I didnt catch this, but I think it is tacky on TLC's part, and makes me not want to watch TLC for other things.
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I think that was great.....I think every man should hear that before his wedding, from his Dad. That was classy and respectfull. I wish that my marriage had started out with such strong people behind us and values to follow. We have had to find our way, and thats OK too, but I feel like we wasted many years figuring things out when it would have been great to have examples, but we didnt, and now hopefully we are setting a good example for our daughters! I HOPE!
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I thought Amy's silliness at the cake table was uncalled for. Is she jealous that Josh got married first? She acted like a 12 yo.
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Like in last night's episode, when some of them were out at dinner, and the server guy was joking around with them. I thought the girls eyes were gonna roll inside their heads.
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EWE! That waiter was rude, icky and just trying to get his 15 seconds! Ick, I was uncomfortable and I was on the other side of the TV screen. Maybe at first he was friendly, as a good waiter is, but he went WAY OVERBOARD for the cameras. ICK!
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Josh and Anna's handholding death grip at all times...do you think they have toned that down now that they can have sex? Also when they had their first kiss Josh looked like he wanted to eat her face
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Yeah me too......I would love to be in Michelle's shoes. She is a great role model. I dont agree with EVERYTHING (who would), but I would love the security, respect and unwavering love that I see in their families. Maybe I wouldnt want it if I walked the walk, but it looks good from where I am! LOL!
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But all of the other rather innocent stuff that teenagers and young adults do when they're in love, aren't these parents basically encouraging their 18-19-20 year olds to marry to that they can legally kiss?
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Hmmmm.....interesting..... Maybe, but I dont think it is FORCING THEM. It may speed things up, but so what when you have the beliefs that they do? I think its much worse that some couples live togehter for anything more than 6 months and then never get married because it will be easier in the end. Or they cant *afford to get married*. UGH Well how about the thought that the end would not be so easy if there was much more like kids and love and respect on the line??????? Food for thought.........

Oh and I think that Josh and Anna talked and decided what their boundeies for their pre-marriage relationship are. If you listen closely to the Duggar Dating Rules eppi, it sounds like the parents gave them ideas, and good and bad stories, and helped them find what they wanted. I think that is very cool. I dont think this was FORCED on them. Because at one point Michelle says that Josh asked her about holding hands, they had decided not to kiss and be alone(they decided), but asked her opinion of they should hold hands. While I find this alittle over board, I think the whole thing about finding thier way is the best way to do it. And I have already started this conversation with my now 10 and 13 year olds.
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As a whole, I think their whole wedding was beautiful. It was a honest reflection of Josh and Anna and their families. Nothing wrong with that. I wish them the best and hope for many happy married years for them.

Ok, this is worth at least a dollar! LOL!

sherp said...

I saw part of this show last night. I have not watched it at all but was intrigued by the BIL memo. I found Josh very engaging and the wedding pleasant. I doubt I will watch much of this show cause other than the tups, other folks kids don't interest me that much.

Lillith said...

Lillith-I too found the show like a train wreck that I couldn't help watching.

Having grown up Catholic in a large family, I don't agree with handing the babies over to the older girls to be watched, fed, changed etc. I don't think it's fair for the sister or the little sibling who needs their mother's attention. I don't think little ones should have to make a date for time with their mommy.

Keeping the children apart from other influences by homeschooling and limiting television kind of keeps them in their own little world. Hopefully, there is enough money there for the chldren to raise their families on as I do not think their education being homeschooled by Michelle, who has barely a high school education, is going to be too thorough.

That being said, I enjoy reading everyone's opinions.

I was always taught in CCD and college Theology classes that the wine at the wedding was indeed wine. I laughed at the grape juice comment. They would being out the good wine first, then as people drank a little, the grade of wine would go down. This is why the comments were made on how they were saving the best wine for last after Jesus changed the water into wine.

Fermentation prevents growth of bacteria and fungas. Years ago and still today in parts of the world this is why it was probably a lot safer to drink wine or another fermented beverage.

The really whacky ones are on the new show about the pageant moms.

erica said...

So when is the Duggar-Bates wedding?
Its bound to happen.

Erin Bates is so beautiful

What is John David up to anyways? Jim Bob once talked about how Josh had to be "financially ready" before he could marry Anna. Is that what John David is doing? Getting ready for marriage with Erin Bates.

Willow said...

Erica - I totally agree with you. I was thinking Jana and Zach Bates, but John-David and Erin was also my thought. I figure the odds are that there will be some sort of match within the 2 families. I think Jana is a doll also. I think JD and Jana are getting pretty close to 20, so I think it won't be long!! I wonder what their criteria for "financially stable" is? At least they are teaching them to think and plan ahead.

Jenn said...

I saw this episode again the other day. if you look closely, the women are wearing gloves to mix the food. They are just clear and really thin but I could make them out a little.

Erica said...

I think the Duggars are an amazing family and such a wonderful Christian example! I really admire their parenting skills and the sweet relationship they have with one another! mamawama I completly agree with you!! And I don't at all feel SadForTheGirls, they are learning great life skills and will be wonderful mothers one day. We need more moms like Michelle Duggar...this world would be so much better if we did!!! These children are loved and taught well, I don't understand how anyone could complain about them. This world has become so blind and messed up, that we find fault with people trying to live according to the Bible. The Duggars are not perfect people, no one in this world is Perfect. Jesus Christ was the only perfect person to walk this earth!
It's so sad to me that people are so grossed out over the dad Duggar sex talk or the way Josh Duggar kissed his bride but these people would most likely be just fine watching some show on MTV, with teens and young adults having multiple sex partners...thats just fine to this world but being pure until marriage is wierd and as some put in their comments "ICK"! This world is just so messed up!

Erica said...

Mamawama
I just want to tell you that you are awesome!!! I'll just let you talk for me from now on!!! I really enjoy your comments, you're truthful without being rude!!!

Anonymous said...

I am a Babtist but me and every other Babtist I know act nothing like that, we act like everyone else. No dancing :( wow....