Duggar School Daze - Tuesday, June 2

Even though the Duggars are home schooled they know the importance of a good education, no matter what building it takes place in. Watch as Michelle and some of the kids visit a neighborhood public school and find out how they run their own school at home.

30 minutes

160 comments:

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I can not wait to see this show. I have taught in private/Christian schools, public schools and homeschooled. You can homeschool and not be against public schools. You do what is best for your kids and what is feasible.

Anonymous said...

I hope the Duggars schedule the visit to the school for the afternoon because they struggled to get up early for the dentist appointment and ultimately ran late. I don't think they would cut it at our elementary school where the tardy bell rings at 7:40.

I hope no one asks Michelle to teach because I think it will become apparent very quickly that she is extremely unqualified. "Per-pen-dic-u-lar" anyone? I can't believe a school principal would allow such a disruption to the school day. Maybe TLC is donating some playground equipment or something in exchange.

Leoslion said...

I agree that it will be interesting to see how the Duggars education level matches up to those in a public school setting. Not calling anyone stupid, but it seems the Duggars focus much more on Biblical subjects and life lessons, as opposed to very academic subjects.

*~*Nicole*~* said...

Glad to see this blog wasn't forgotten about by the "other" reality family banking on TLC. I'm actually excited about this episode but I'm afraid they will go overboard with showing only the negative sides of public schools. Can't wait to see how the kids react!

The Real Susie said...

Jim Bob is saying that the kids can be whatever they want and go to college if they want - and that parents just have to prepare them to be able to mingle in the secular world. I was really glad to hear him say that officially. They seem to be as reasonable as possible and still maintain their faith. My hat is off to them!!

Smk said...

I love watching people in uncomfortable situations. Like Michelle when the kids at the school started dancing. I love her response when they ask her for her opinion. She's way too nice to say she doesn't agree with it. Instead she just says that she has a different way of dealing with the kids energy.

Anonymous said...

Once again, the Duggars are running late. This time they keep an entire school waiting because of their thoughtlessness. I interpret this as being arrogant and rude. Michelle and the baby, the 4 older daughters, and Josiah were the only ones who went----why can't they get up and out on time? I guess it's a good thing that they don't encourage the kids to venture out into the world because chronic tardiness will get you fired ASAP.

Michelle has spoken often on how organized the family is; well, if this is the case, everything should have been ready and waiting by the door so all they had to do was grab it and go. The girls were taking their time putting the books in tote bags even though they were running late and another one was driving the car around and around the driveway to warm it up. This kind of pokiness and disorganization wouldn't cut it in the morning if they had to catch a school bus.

I do think folks who homeschool must do it so everyone can sleep late.

totallyhonest said...

This episode illustrates perfectly why I have respect for the Duggars; despite the fact that they live their own unique and strict way of life apart from society, they constantly reinforce the fact that they have no resentment, anger, or innate distrust of other ways of doing things. I am glad Jim Bob finally addressed what they would do if their children wanted higher education. Their faith that they have armed their children with the tools to combat the secular world is inspiring.

Two funny things though: Jinger's skirts are getting shorter and shorter, and she wants to be an photographer. Rebel! And, Jill's favorite books, oh my, both religious. As a great lover of English Literature, it saddens me that these children have been robbed of Shakespeare, Whitman, Poe, Twain, etc. for the sake of protecting their innocence.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know why the Duggars have a thing about dancing? I remember that Josh and Anna didn't have dancing at their reception either. Are they afraid a simple reel or ballroom step will lead to hard-core bump 'n' grind and thus lead to "defrauding the men" or what?

Oh, Josiah! You seriously think public schools let the kids run around like you do at home?! "It'd be a lot harder with 15 kids where with homeschooling there's only like 8." *SIGH* I was an aide in a kindergarten class for a year and frankly there's more obedience and control in a public school classroom than what I saw in tonight's episode at Duggar-School.

Anonymous said...

What did everyone think of that shot where they compared public school's reading list compared to the TWO religious books that fell under the "Duggars favorite books" category. Yikes. That looked bad.

Also how awkward was it when they all stood, then the kids started to dance, so the Duggars sat down. Eek... I cringed for them.

I was surprised to see that they allowed the cameras in the bedroom while Jim Bob was still in bed. It was just odd... I didn't think the Duggars would ever allow something like that.

Jacksprat said...

I've watched this show since the early days of just occasional specials and have read this blog here for awhile.

I have to say, there are many Christians (myself included), that don't believe the same things they do.

The no dancing rule is kind of weird. It's not like they were slow-dancing with boys. What's wrong with just getting your grove on to some good music? Nothing.

Back in my days of church High school youth group, we'd have get together's and stuff, where we'd be listening to music and dancing around. Nothing happened, we just danced around.

Just because dancing and touching can lead to other things, doesn't mean it has to.


I wonder how young they enforce this rule? If one of the little kids is watching some tv show or listening to music and starts dancing around, do they punish the kid?


There are so many other things that they deny their kids, because it COULD lead to other things, but I'll stop with the dancing, since that came up in tonight's show.

Anonymous said...

I wonder how many kindergartners went home and reported that the lady reading a story had a baby sticking out from her stomach!! Couldn't believe that she would take the baby into the school and breast feed her while reading to the class.

Pam said...

I was amazed with the comments JB said about the possibility of the kids wanting other careers that might entail further education. Did anyone else notice that the professions he mentioned all require about 7 years of college?

I don't think that JB understands what higher education entails, especially if you want to pursue medical and other professions. For example, if you want to be a doctor, you usually have to register as a pre-med major in college, usually with a science like biology attached. The classes and labs that are required for that major are staggering: biology, chemistry, biochemistry, anatomy, immunology, hematology, physiology, etc. That's not including 3,4,5, sometimes 6 hours of lab. In order to succeed in these classes, the college expects you to have taken some of them before in high school. And this is all before you take the MCAT to even see if you can get into medical school.

I applaud the fact that some of the kids want other careers. I'm just afraid that none of them will be able to get into college because they simply don't have a good educational foundation. I'm not knocking homeschooling at all; I know a few people who have been through that method and have done very well. All I'm saying is that, in my opinion, public/private schools prepare you better for college and the real world than homeschooling. Lesson number one: learn to be on time!

I would love to see the kids under age 18 attend public school for one day to see what it's really like. I think that they would learn far more than just the lessons out of a textbook; they would learn a lot more about social interactions, both good and bad.

Cardinal said...

What was the deal with the home schooling?? Maybe it was just an off day, but it seemed so disorganized and chaotic. There were little boys running all over the house to fetch workbooks, papers, ect. Johanna was begging for gum. The little kids didn’t seem to be remotely focused on any task. And there was never really a designated schooling area. They moved from the kitchen table to the bar stools to the couch. Michelle was having to take breaks to change a diaper and breastfeed. Bless this womans heart. Where is Jim Bob in all of this? I thought he said that he "invested wisely" so that he didn't have to be away from home very much. Michelle could use some help with all of that chaos. I couldn’t do it for one day.

totallyhonest said...

haha oh my gosh I love how people think it is prudish that the Duggars don't allow dancing and yet someone is freaked out by Michelle modestly breast feeding in a classroom. HELLO breast feeding is the most natural thing a baby does other than pooping and crying! It isn't like she had her breast hanging out. She was completely covered up. Little kids should know about breast feeding, since most of them should have done it themselves and/or witnessed their siblings doing it. The United States has a very low and very sad rate for how often and for how long babies are breast fed compared to the rest of the world.

on a different note, I think this blog should ban anonymous posts, like GWOP. People seem to use anonymous posting as a way to just say outrageous and sometimes offensive things. I mean really anonymous poster above, you can't be serious: "I do think folks who homeschool must do it so everyone can sleep late." Really? REALLY? The connection between your keyboard and the internet is not a subsitute for the connection between your brain and your fingers. Can we please think before we type?

JenL said...

I must say I wasn't very impressed with the Duggars' homeschooling. Their house needs a library or schoolroom where all the books, computers, supplies, desks, chairs, etc. are in one place and easily accessible. Basically, they need a 21st century version of a one-room schoolhouse, complete with a nursery for the babies.

The kids don't seem to accomplish much. Every time they showed Jackson, he still hadn't colored the ball on his worksheet. The other little boys seemed to be wired on sugar too much of the time, although at one point they did seem to settle down and focus. In the computer room, two middle-sized kids were playing with a string instead of doing their work. And how can Jinger or any of the other older kids learn science with only a computer and no laboratory-type place to do experiments and such?

CappuccinoLife said...

Kinda funny reading these comments about how disorganized and out of control the Duggar kids are.

For years I've been hearing how they are Evil Controlling Parents Who Must Beat Their Children Every Day To Make Them Behave So Robotically Perfect.

Makes me laugh. They're human beings. Good days, bad days, opinions, difficulties, quirks, and besetting bad habits.

And for the record, my 6 yo's alarm clock goes off at 6.30 am. We homeschool. We are not chronically tardy. ;)

Anonymous said...

James seemed to really have a hard time settling down to do his schoolwork. I have boys and they can be easily distracted but this seemed a little ADD to me. I also did not care for how he continued to debate with his mother about having finished all of his work. Michelle should have dropped the sweetie-pie, baby voice and told him to stop discussing it and GET BUSY!!!

I, too, was surprised to see the "pup tent" strapped to Michelle and that she was nursing the baby while reading to the kids. Baby Jordyn looked to be several months old by then and it seems that she could go a little longer than having to nurse 24/7. It's very easy to use a pump and have bottles of breast milk in the refrigerator so other people can feed her. Jim Bob should have gotten himself out of the bed and kept Jordyn home with him.

Yeah, I agree, the Duggars' reading list was pitiful. I realize that was just a small sample but the older girls are missing out on great American literature. I don't understand why the gory stories in the Old Testament with rape, murder, deceit, etc., are fine but "To Kill a Mockingbird" is taboo.

Josiah's comment about hard it must be for a teacher to keep 15 kids in line had me rolling on the floor. No, Josiah, it's not hard because teachers have been to COLLEGE and are TRAINED to teach and maintain order. After seeing Michelle trying to rein her troops in and get them to settle down and focus makes me think that Michelle might find it very helpful to observe a top-notch teacher keeping kids on task. I just don't consider sitting your kid down in front of a computer teaching. The whole family has grammar problems and that comes from NOT hearing proper speech.

Popsicle said...

As usual, the Duggars were late. Why can't this family that prides itself on organization get anywhere on time?

Anonymous said...

Homeschooling is fine and has many stripes, however, conservative Christian modes tend to be the ones that figure prominently in public perception. In fact, I know and respect homeschooled PhDs in History & engineering and at lest one Dr. who were homeschooled (secular).

As for the Duggars....Service to others is laudable, however, a desire to serve without skills, education, and application is empty. They'll need to begin much more rigorous academic studies outside the home and SOON. Otherwise, they'll never realize these ambitions.

They should start with serious conversations with folks who work in their areas of interest, about the educational and personal commitment that is required. Talk to peers who share the same interest about what they are doing - internships, projects, etc. - to persue their interest.

Then, if they're willing, move on to courses at their local high school or community college to get a feel for the advanced math, chemistry, biology and physiology they'll need to master.

Anonymous said...

I was disgusted by this show, because it proves that the Duggars do not care about education in the slightest, and are purposefully keeping their kids perpetually dumb about anything remotely worldly. When I saw the little boys working on kindergarten type work (alphabet, copying simple words) or the older girls unable to name a decent book they had read (and coming up with a Harlequin romance instead?) it showed that the Duggars have no idea how to educate children.

What can we expect? Michelle is no rocket scientist, and how is she expected to teach any higher level concepts to any of the older kids? As it is, it seems the kids "teach themselves" using little workbooks or the internet (I was surprised to see so many kids on the computer---I thought they were opposed to internet usage?).

Jim Bob has no intention of letting any of his children go on to higher education. At one point, Josh indicated he wanted to go to law school, and now he is saddled with no higher education, a used car lot and pregnant wife (whom he never got to know in advance of the wedding) at age 20. None of the girls are going to do anything more than repeat their mother's breeding of a litter of children.

This show is pathetic. I turn it on just to stare in disbelief in people who live in such an uneducated, unworldly bubble.

momof3andlovingit said...

I no longer watch TLC since I am so disgusted with the Gosselin family and TLC's involvement, but I do read this site, because I enjoyed the Duggars in the past.
I just wanted to make a comment about homeschooling.
I have made the choice to send my children to public schools. They began their education in a private Christian school until tuition no longer was feasible for us.
We have many friends who home school that we have met through sports and clubs, such as 4-H. All of the children are VERY bright and articulate.
My aunt was raised Methodist, but married a Church Of Christ pastor and chose to home school all 4 of their children. The oldest recently graduated college, the next two are currently enrolled in college and the youngest plans on attending college. They are all very well-read and quite frankly, were more well informed on world events and such than many adults I know when they were in their teens!
No, they do not dance, but I don't think it has caused them any permanent damage. They are healthy, happy and well-adjusted individuals who are an asset to society. I think we all should have learned by now that TLC spins things to make them appear as they wish for ratings.
After two recent bomb threats and my oldest child's school, homeschooling is looking better and better to me.

notafan said...

Her breastfeeding while reading the book was odd. I'm sure a few of those kids went home and talked about the lady with the baby stuck to her side. I'm thinking there may be some complaints about that. Looked strange to say the least. Sorry, but it reminded me of a person with a parasitic twin stuck to their side. Duggars as a whole are odd folks. Jim Bob is a bum. He sleeps late while Michelle is up manageing all those kids. And I can't believe those kids are getting any worthwhile education. Looks like some of those younger kids are walking all over Michelle.

nccalgal said...

I have known several families who home schooled their children for a number of different reasons including having the flexibility of adjusting the school day to take advantage of a child's most alert time of day. I don't know anyone whose "school" was a chaotic as they showed on this episode. As the children progress to middle and high school, many "swap" with other parents so the kids have someone teaching sciences who has that expertice while they may hold a class in business or economics because that was their strength. Obviously to do this, their has to be some semblance of organization, but this also allows kids to intermingle with others. Many home schools have "associations" and some even participate in intermural sports. My biggest concern for the Duggar kids is the fact that they don't seem to have regular social outlets, even church youth group activities where Mom and/or Dad are not present. BYW, I think Johannah is going to be a cracker-jack. She may be the rebel in the making.

Anonymous said...

I was annoyed by several things I saw during the show "Duggar School Daze". First of all, the Duggar method of home schooling appears to be no schooling at all. The children at the public school displayed self control and better behavior than I have ever seen in the younger Duggar children. Secondly, when the public school children began to dance I saw a look of pious disdain on the faces of the Duggar girls that I found alarming. Maybe they should reread the Bible verse that states, "judge not that ye be judged". I saw a lot of judging going on. Third, I am not opposed to breast feeding, but there is a time and a place for everything, standing in front of a kindergarten class is not the time or the place. Fourth, a comparison of the reading lists demonstrates how inadequate the Duggar attempt at home schooling is. If you are truly teaching your children to be able to discern the good from the bad, they should be exposed to the classics of literature and be able to use the tools they have learned to separate the wheat from the chaff. One final comment, at one point during the filming a crew member asked Michelle if Joshua ( the married son) was in any way financially dependent on them. She answered "when you leave you cleave". I assumed this meant he was no longer financially dependent. This seems false as it appears that Joshua works at a family owned used car lot, it was previously disclosed that he and his wife live in a family owned house, and I assume that he and his wife are financially compensated for their appearances on the show. The Duggar parents are still controlling Joshua and his wife. Come to think of it, I think that the Duggar's attempt at home schooling, isolation from normal society, and isolation from television and literature is all about control.

Anonymous said...

[Jill's favorite books, oh my, both religious. As a great lover of English Literature, it saddens me that these children have been robbed of Shakespeare, Whitman, Poe, Twain, etc. for the sake of protecting their innocence.]

Is there any evidence that homeschooling parents don't teach their children classic literature? I would think proficiency exams/GED crediting would require them to.

samcarter said...

We're a homeschooling family. Just as no two public school families are alike, neither are homeschooling families.

I tend to think that the reason the little boys had a hard time settling down to their work might have been because of the cameras. We don't always see the homeschooling on TV, so it's possible that this was the first time (or one of a very few times) that they've allowed filming during lesson time. I know my boys have a hard time settling down to work if something unusual is happening that day, like home repairs or whatnot.

Anonymous said...

First of all, I'm not posting anonymously so I can say ridiculous things. I just don't like to create too many online "profiles."

With regard to the books, Jill(?) was asked what her favorite book was. For all we know, the Duggar kids have read tons of classics but just woulnd't list them as a favorite. What public school teenager, if asked their favorite book, would name anything they read in school?

Those online classes can be very educational. I took an online English class my senior year of high school. I "taught myself" and recieved very little feedback from the teacher. It was the best English class I have ever had. I read a wide aray of literature and was challenged to analyze and interpret it myself, rather than just relying on what the teacher or others in the class said.

Finally, I read a bunch of boards like this and I wish people would stop suggesting that all homeschoolers have poor grammar. I was homeschooled for several years, but my mom was an English major and she makes sure anyone who spends time around her uses correct grammar. On that note, I appologize for any gramatical errors I might have made in this post. Nobody's perfect.

Joanna said...

Actually, we don't know if the Duggars "hasn't" and "don't" read English or American Literature and only Jill gave her favorite books and mentioned the book titles, no one else. Like me, she probably just loves Christian books (at least those two) better.

As for the as the little ones being distracted, the camera were there. That's certainly would be a distraction to me! Johanna is only 3 years old, Jackson just turned 5, which puts him on pre-k level and they usually are barely learning their letters, and it's certaintly not uncommon for little boys (and some girls) to want to get out of doing school work (or music practice). And the talked about on an earlier episode how Justin is always miss placing his chore cards and school books and tries to avoid looking for them.

They do have a large computer area and I've seen most of the children gathered their doing school. In this episode, they only should like of the children 6 of the children. Where was Jim Bob, well, where were the other children. Ginger probably wanted to be in a private corner at the moment. And in their book, they said that Jim Bob's old high school science teacher often comes over and dose science experments with them. And they take a lot of educational field trips, so they get lots of hands on experience. From what I've seen, they've gotten alot more hands on experience in science then I've ever gotton in public school.

My Mom would have loved to have home schooled me, but unfortunatly, she had to work to support me. She raised me mostly has a single parent and we barely managed to survive. Fortunatly, I was trianed well enough to avoid the secular, immoral temptations in the public schools, as well as to which types of friends to choose. Mama kept a strong eye and hand on me "and" my education even when she couldn't be present. (still dose)I nor the schools ever got away with anything.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 8:12 a.m. said : or the older girls unable to name a decent book they had read (and coming up with a Harlequin romance instead?)

The book she named was Before You Meet Prince Charming: A Guide to Radiant Purity by Sarah Mally.

Here is the description:How can young people be committed to purity and to God's best? This guide to radiant purity combines the story of a young princess with solid, clear teaching of Biblical convictions that young ladies today need to grasp. Through a captivating fairy tale, modern day examples, practical instruction, and abundant humor, Sarah Mally challenges young ladies to turn to the Lord for fulfillment, to guard their hearts and minds, to identify and avoid the world's thinking, and to shine brightly in this generation. This book offers Biblical answers to every day questions and deep life struggles. Recommended for ages 12 and up.

The Duggars don't even allow their girls to read for pleasure----there's always a hidden agenda. Sad and controlling.

RandiWarhol said...

I agree with many people that the Duggar household seemed chaotic during school time. It also seems that they are greatly missing out on some things:

What about class discussions? How can any of the Duggar children gain from any type of discussions or different insights from other students when they are at home?

Someone mentioned the lack of any science equipment. How could they expect to do any experiments and learn with hands-on techniques?

I'm glad that I went to public school. I had a chance to use computers and supplies that I wouldn't had access to if schooled at home. I remember making pottery in elementary school. I had access to a kiln! Gallons of paints and glazes and tools. Plus, the socialization I received will always be priceless.

I'm an artist and have always wondered this question: How do the Duggars teach art, if they do at all? Many classic pieces of art feature nude and unclothed subjects. How do they address that? It's not a big deal at all to many people. but what about the Duggars?

I'm trying to understand their methods, but it just seems very one-sided and not effective.

Anonymous said...

The Duggars are not using "on-line" classes that are meant to enrich the mind. They use a Christian curriculum where they will go through life thinking the world was created in six days 6000 years ago, that the best book to read is one about purity, that copying ones name is an appropriate activity for an eight year old, and that the world is flat.

There is unlikely to be any real learning going on there, and I would imagine any middle schooler from a good system could outperform any of the oldest teenaged Duggars.

CatholicMom said...

In regards to dancing:
Many fundamentalist Christians believe dancing is "sinful." The Duggars are not unique in this. I don't agree with this belief, but I had no problem with them sitting down while the children danced. There was no disrespect shown.

Momof4 said...

Anonymous said:
I can't believe a school principal would allow such a disruption to the school day. Maybe TLC is donating some playground equipment or something in exchange.

Many public schools invite authors or other people with something interesting to say to participate in classroom visits or school assemblies. These are not "disruptive," nor do schools need to be bribed with playground equipment, as you suggest. Visits are a way to introduce children to interesting people from the community who have something to share with them, and generally the students really enjoy the break in routine.

Anonymous said...

Obviously they have their own educational agenda! Things are so immoral in public schools - please! Do you really believe any of the children will have jobs that require college education? Mark my words - not a one. Of course Jom Bob has to say that they would support it - it is for the show. They will all marry young and have a lot of children - with jobs like Josh's! I know many families like this.

The other thing I don't understand is the whole issue of modesty. We were taught that modesty is not only in dress, but also in behavior and speech. I think it is totally immodest for the married couples to constantly kiss or hold each other on camera. While it is a normal and wonderful thing to be affectionate and intimate with your mate, it is also private. (Not to mention the immodesty of having cameras in the house and during private family moments).

Paige said...

Oh, Michelle! Did she need to have the baby strapped to her boob when she was reading to five-year-olds? There's a time and place for baby feeding and I don't think that was it.

I was hoping for a more in-depth look at homeschooling. Obviously the little kids will use workbooks (because even a public school byproduct like myself used them), but other people brought up the question of science. Do they do experiments? Are they forced to learn from a creationist textbook?

And what about the curriculum in general? How many classes do they take online? Is it a GED program? Do the kids only read religious books?

I also wanted to see some real interaction between the Duggar kids and the public school students. Maybe put the Duggars into a class for their grade and see how they perform.

Sigh. I really should stop expecting anything from TLC.

NancyM said...

Although the Duggars seem like nice people, I am confused about why "we" are not condemning them for child exploitation. On the show last night, we saw a number of very small children, still in bed asleep being roused in front of cameras. The children are being exposed to people making fun of their beliefs (online perhaps but nevertheless...), they are now "well known" and people know their names and faces just like the Gosselin children. (if it's dangerous, it's dangerous for all kids) The only reason the G kids are now even more recognizable is because of the tabloid stuff. I don't see how Michelle's syrup voice makes it more palatable.

Also, I have no issue with breast feeding in public (I'm a dreaded liberal MBA) however that THING she carries that little baby in just looks uncomfortable for both her and the baby. I also do know some pretty conservative people who do NOT like it - they feel it is immodest so I am not sure that was the right place or time - in front of all those kids.

Lastly, I know a number of homeschooled children who are incredibly bright and have received an excellent education. I do NOT believe the Duggar children fall into that category. My grandson has been able to say and visually recognize the letters of the alphabet since he was barely over 2. He is smart enough but not a genius by any means.

Anonymous said...

I understand that the home school filming was just a snippet of what actually happens in the Duggar house at school time. Granted, the cameras being there probably made it seem more chaotic than it normally is (at least I hope so). There is something I can't get past in this though and that is how is Michelle Duggar qualified to take her children to the level of education they need to get into a decent college?

sillysally said...

"a crew member asked Michelle if Joshua ( the married son) was in any way financially dependent on them. She answered "when you leave you cleave"."

ironically, "cleave" is one of the few words in the english language that has opposite meanings. cleave can mean to separate *or* to hold together. so i guess mama m was right, either way. haha

treble clef said...

I was puzzled why the Duggar girls played their violins if their purpose for being there was to talk about reading and writing. I thought they were okay violinists, not great, but okay. Of course they played a hymn, "Come, Christians, Join to Sing"; I wish they could have played some contemporary Christian music instead of an old hymn (although it is one of my favorites).

I am also curious as to how "staged" this was by TLC. Was the purpose of their visit to show "solidarity" with their public school brethren? Intellectually, the family doesn't have much to offer so I wonder what the school got out of their visit? Money, playground equipment, books for the library, etc.?

I wish the Duggars had not looked at the dancing children with such self-righteous disdain; it makes them come across as holier-than-thou.

Enough with the Multiples said...

Re: "Couldn't believe that she would take the baby into the school and breast feed her while reading to the class."

Oh the horror of that....she should have just left the baby starve! Really, what a ridiculous statement. Would it have been okay if she feed the baby a bottle???

Breastfeeding is the healthiest choice for both baby and mother. What is sad is that moms' in American society are subjected to statements like the above. No woman should ever feel like she shouldn't be breadfeeding her child in any situation. It is natural and it is how God intended babies to be fed.
While I do think that Michelle goes a little overboard with the cover-up, I'm glad to see that she does breastfeed her children.

DennyW said...

I don't get the no dancing thing - isn't there someplace in the bible that says be joyus and dance among/for/im joy for the lord?

Huckleberry said...

I was sad to hear that John David seems to have abandoned his hopes of becoming a pilot. He said he was going to start his own tow truck business (which Jim Bob once did). I am sad that yet another Duggar kid has put their dreams away. I wonder if John David is getting his business going so he can take a wife?

Once again, Jim Bob mentioned some professions that his kids have an interest in and they all require a college degree. When is he going to put 2 and 2 together and realize that his kids have been shortchanged in the education department and let one of them out of the house to pursue their desired career?

Anonymous said...

I love the show last night. It's interesting to see how the Duggars dealing with some different faith they hold on to, e.g. dancing.

My children are home school. 3 of them started of at public school. But the public school system at the county we live is falling apart. There was too many children in class, 25-26 children. The way their previous school organized the teaching is totally ridiculous. They seem to learn just concepts in schools. Then tons of homework would be sent home to finish. I absolutely didn't mind to help my children with homework. But I didn't see the point of sending my children to school and I had to be like a teacher at home as well. Then why I had to send them.

So I pulled them out for home-schooling. They're doing much better now. There are many groups of homeschooling children you can meet with, plus neighbor kids to play with. My children are very socialize. Their academic are superb. They get very high scores from state test. I think there's nothing wrong with homeschooling if the public school system is not the best one provided where you live.

Cardinal said...

"Fortunatly, I was trianed well enough to avoid the secular, immoral temptations in the public schools"

What are these temptations, and why are they specifically in public schools? I've seen a lot of unholy things going on in churches and in private schools, so I was just wanting to know what it is in public schools that is so immoral and tempting that you don't find elsewhere. Christians can be amongst the world and not participate in things that go against their beliefs. And even if they do, God forgives.

Anonymous said...

I wish people would back off on the breastfeeding. I actually think Michelle is quite liberal in her approach to it. Babies need to eat, and Jordyn is too young to have solids. Some babies don't take bottles. My first one did but the second one didn't, so she went everywhere with me. When she was hungry, I fed her. It's really rather simple, and I applaud Michelle for being out in the open about it.

That's about all I can applaud her for though, lol.

Eagleandchild said...

I wonder what the Duggars think of Jane Austen books--books that are classic literature but not not necessarily "worldly". While there are moral messages to a certain extent, the plots tend to be full of complicated characters. I wonder what the older Duggar girls would say if you put them in a room and showed Pride and Prejudice. What would they think of the dancing? Would Mr. Darcy's swim at Pemberly be defrauding?

Grace said...

When the girls were asked their favorite books, It reminded me of something. There was a poster on TWOP that used to work for the show. She wrote that one time Jill and Jinger had come across a copy of "Twilight" and had taken the cover off of it, and replaced it with one of their approved books. Jana actually found it and went running to Michelle and Jim Bob.



If I find it I will definatly post the link.

kathy said...

okay, i am not a Duggar sheeple, I watch the show sometimes when there is nothing else on. I think they are a nice family, but I think the no dancing thing is a little strange.

But can you people stop carping about science lab equipment!! Maybe they didn't do science that day, or it was edited out, or it wasn't taped, or this was just a little fake lets pretend school so we can get something for the camera thing!

We cannot say for sure that there is no science equipment as a 100% fact so stop it. As if they don't have a Bunsen burner!

Anonymous said...

If this was a Muslim family or some other religion, no one would say a word for fear of being deemed intolerant. How easy it is to make fun of or criticize devout Christians! What a pity they won't be exposed to the drugs, language, and pregnancies of classmates. Not to mention, at least from my experience, the public schools aren't doing such a great job at educating students.

2nd-of course they have to be learning something. The kids have to pass the same benchmarks as public school chilren or the state would not allow them to continue home schooling.

Anonymous said...

Michelle says she is not anti-public schools, yet she seemed to be complaining about having to pay taxes and buy the school stuff they need for themselves.
Also, Jim Bob said it was okay for his kids to pursue higher education. Yet, he talked of his daughters becoming nurses or midwives. What if they choose something that he doesn't consider appropriate?
I just don't see how they can homeschool effectively. I am not against it at all. I just think when you have that many kids learning so many different things, it becomes difficult to teach each one appropriately. I do think the older kids might be doing better, only because them seem to follow an online curriculum.
Just my 2 cents.

chocolatebee said...

Everyone here has made valid points and arguements on both sides of this issue. I, for one am not a fan of homeschooling and while I do adore the Duggars for some of their values,I really found that the particular clip of their homeschooling day was not the best or most organized but it was genuine. I loved that it wasnt staged and showed how there are good days and bad days,just like regular school.Yes the kids were a bit distracted and unruly but they are that way a lot of the time.The Duggar children may be well trained but they are still children and often act as so.I wish they all could have gone to the school and gotten the experience of a traditional public school.As for those who say they disrupted the school day,that is an assumption.The day wasnt a normal day because of the reading presentation.And yes the Duggars were late but so are lots of families who have a lot less people to gather up and get ready.

On another note did anyone notice how when the camera crew went into the girls room one of the smaller boys was sleeping in Jill's bed?I found this to be weird, not because it isnt something that would happen in a normal home but because it was happening in the Duggars home.I would have thought that surely this is something the Duggars would frown upon because I dont often see the boys in the girls room and vice versa.I also was surprised the cameras were even allowed into the bedrooms while everyone was still asleep and in their pajamas.What happened to modesty?I hope the Duggars are beginning to relax on their morals.I remember when another TLC family was so religious and big on their faith too.
I am still holding out hope that some of the Duggar children will exercise their rights to be independent more often.I would not want them to abandon their morals but show that they can be regular,well adjusted young people who are also Christians.

Lorrie said...

I absolutely love the Duggars. As a mom who has a child with special needs, homeschool another child and have another in public school I feel I speak from experience.

For all those public school lovers out there...children do learn more information in a homeschool environment. It's just a matter of ratios.

For all those homeschool lovers out there...children learn socialization better in the public school environment. It's just a matter of the ratios.

As for art and science, if you're trying to keep your children from worldly influences you shouldn't allow them to view any significant art pieces until they're older. With that said, they can see other famous artist that don't have nudes...come on folks...I think our biases are skewing how we view the Duggars.

It's extremely difficult to homeschool with little one jumpy boy around. I have done it with just one preschooler... I don't know how a person could do it with several. The benefit here is a jumpy boy can be taught to sit and be still without being vilified, which would happen in the public school setting.

Lorrie said...

Also it was sad to see them look in disgust when the kids were dancing. If you carefully read the bible...dancing is form of worship and expression and can be done for those reasons. It's been skewed into something sexual depending on the dance. Since they follow the teaching of Bill Gotherd (I've been to his conferences) they are offended by the beat of the music. His teaching is off base in many cases and has no scripture reference in support. But hey...you can't be perfect.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Anonymous said: "Michelle says she is not anti-public schools, yet she seemed to be complaining about having to pay taxes and buy the school stuff they need "

I think some people just do not listen. She was NOT complaining pay taxes. She said that her and her husband do not mind paying taxes even though they do not use the system and have to buy their own homeschool materials. She said that both her and her husband used the publoic school system and now they are content to pay taxes as it is thier turn to pay into the system. No complaining here. I think some people hear what they want to hear. Maybe their would complain if they had to pay taxes at the same time paying for their kids education at home so that is why they are projecting onto the Duggars "complaining".

I had no problems paying taxes the seven years I homeschjooled as I benefit from the system growing up and also benefited by employment from the system.

AndiMominIL said...

chocolatebee - I noticed that too!!! He even had a camoflouge pillow next to a regular pillow...I think there were several because after seeing the one boy in the bed, didn't they pan to the next bed and it too had a little boy in it?? I'll have to check my DVR. I was wondering if maybe they switched bedrooms because the last few kids have been girls, maybe they were outgrowing their room??? Although there are still more boys, but that is the only logical explanation I can think of.

maria said...

"I was sad to hear that John David seems to have abandoned his hopes of becoming a pilot. He said he was going to start his own tow truck business (which Jim Bob once did)."

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I would think that one way to become a pilot and escape the Duggar clan would be to join the military. He would learn independence and a career, plus the military would pay if he wanted to go to college. But what would JimBob think of one of his kids joining the military?

Somebody said that some of the girls found a copy of Twilight and put another book cover on it. I had wondered what the Duggars would think of Twilight or the Harry Potter series. I'm sure they would NOT be allowed into their house. But wow, those kids are missing out on so much. As someone else said, they are only allowed to read certain Christian books that have a hidden agenda (for example, to keep the girls "pure"). Why not let them read Dickens or Shakespeare? Let them read Animal Farm and 1984. Let them read the Bible AND Greek Mythology and then do a comparison/contrast on the two. Oh wait, then the kids might figure out that they are basically the same stories told in two different formats. They just seem to darn sheltered in that house. Do they REALLY understand the outside world? I don't think so.

Anonymous said...

I grew up in a ridiculously strict Christian household- wasn't allowed to listen to secular music and couldn't even watch cartoons that had magic in them. I definately wouldn't have been able to read Harry Potter, but I did go to public school and was so jealous of the homeschooled and private schooled kids. When I grew up I went through a little rebelous faze and ended up coming back to the church. Guess what- I'm not damaged. I know a little bit about the world. And missing out on smurfs and dancing and MTV didn't screw me up- well, in my opinion. Who are we to judge how others raise their kids. Are they healthy and happy? They're views a little different from ours? So what? What are we looking for- a nationwide religion and thought process, where all of the kids are raised the same, learn the same things, go to the same schools. It would be really boring. The only thing that I disagree with is that we're watching it all unfold on tv.

Anonymous said...

"My children are home school. 3 of them started of at public school. But the public school system at the county we live is falling apart. There was too many children in class, 25-26 children. The way their previous school organized the teaching is totally ridiculous. They seem to learn just concepts in schools. Then tons of homework would be sent home to finish. I absolutely didn't mind to help my children with homework. But I didn't see the point of sending my children to school and I had to be like a teacher at home as well. Then why I had to send them.

So I pulled them out for home-schooling. They're doing much better now. There are many groups of homeschooling children you can meet with, plus neighbor kids to play with. My children are very socialize. Their academic are superb. They get very high scores from state test.
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This post is the reason I have trouble with SOME people home schooling. When the "teacher" has enormous trouble with command of normal everyday English, has grammatical errors, verb tense errors, etc., what kind of role model is that for developing minds? How will children learn to read, write and speak properly if their "teacher" can't? Many people who homeschool simply do not have the knowledge base to do so, and this includes Mrs. Duggar.

I feel sorry for the Duggar girls, whose lives are etched in stone already. And what "surgery" are the two older girls having, that is the show topic next week? I was so afraid it was one where their cervix is stitched shut, or something like that. If anyone knows, tell us.

notafan said...

While I do think that Michelle goes a little overboard with the cover-up, I'm glad to see that she does breastfeed her children.

I have absolutely nothing against breastfeeding, I just think the place was very inappropriate.

notafan said...

Although the Duggars seem like nice people, I am confused about why "we" are not condemning them for child exploitation.

Didn't you know? 'We' only condemn child exploiters when they are named 'Kate'.

totallyhonest said...

wow over dramatic much? They are just getting their wisdom teeth taken out. Just like any normal teenager. haha

freetheduggars said...

I have nothing but pity for Michelle. She works like a dog homeschooling and running the house, even with the older girls doing so much. JimBob is useless except for breeding. But Michelle- is she brainwashed or just ignorant? Gwop harps on and on about the 'abuse' of the Gosselin kids. But isnt there 'abuse' in the Duggar home too? Denying your kids a decent education and a chance at a complete life sounds abusive to me.

Anonymous said...

in yet another shockingly exciting episode, the duggar girls undergo "surgery" - getting their wisdom teeth removed!!! forget the exploitation as a reason to not watch TLC, these shows are so boring it is an ennui nightmare!

msrylee said...

I found the home-schooling of the younger children to be very chaotic and disorderly. Perhaps if there was a "class-room" where they all worked and learned, and all supplies were kept, it would be better. The older ones were either using computers or playing a game. Is this a usual home-schooling day, or would the presence of CAMERAS cause the events we viewed?

I am familiar with the Ontario educational requirements needed to graduate from high school, but not the state's requirements. There must be exams that the Duggar children write periodically in order to ensure they have learned the required content.

My daughter is a pharmacist, and she needed a 95% over-all average to be accepted into university. Of these credits, several math, chemistry, organic chemistry, calculus, etc. were required. If JB was serious about allowing his kids to have a higher education, he needs to make sure they have the grades and required content to proceed.

Anonymous said...

When JB announced that he and Michelle do not mind paying taxes that go toward public education, I nearly fell out of my chair. I guess he forgot how he pushed for property tax credits for homeschoolers in 2006 along with Pritchard. He also felt in 2006 that ARK did NOT need to offer a voucher program for the students who attended public schools. Do you think JB knows how to spell hypocrite?

BoyMomInTX said...

I noticed that about the beds too and thought it was weird.

I always feel so embarassed for those kids when they make them get up and play the violins. They made them do their little performance in WalMart and other times on camera and none of them seem to want to do it.

I love the Duggars, I really do, but their lack of education and knowledge of anything outside of their religion is really alarming. They will have very small minds and absolutely no opinions. It's frightening.

Lisa said...

The surgery they are having is their wisdom teeth out.

Anonymous said...

I enjoyed the episode but geesh.. please give the Duggar family a break! If you had never been exposed to a public school environment.. how would YOU react? Perhaps they felt shy, overwhelmed, and a bit out of their element. I think those kids are alot more normal than most people imagine. If they are not morning people, is that a reason to condemn them? You try getting a mass of people somewhere ontime!

I enjoyed it, it gave more of a depth to things IMO and I hope that this continues. Those who dis the breastfeeding, please wake up and face the fact the child is an infant and has to eat. It was done in a discreet manner!

MommyZ said...

Anonymous 7:20, Your comments echo my thoughts. Thanks for being brave enough to say it.

I believe the girls are having their wisdom teeth out and all I can say is "BIG DEAL." I would say that almost everyone has had the same procedure. Hope the girls don't have the experience my sons had with lots and lots of vomiting and a prescription-drug stupor! However, my friend's daughter sailed through it and was making fudge that afternoon. Go figure!

TLC, why do you think we want to see down other people's gullets? The Duggars really need to go back to being an occasional special; the shows are unbelievably boring.

Anonymous said...

Other than Amy, I wonder if the Duggars ever interact with other teenagers or children not of their religion and chosen by their parents. I remember Josiah saying that she was different but they still liked her because she's family. That, in my opinion, was just a little condescending - I felt like he was saying she's not perfect like us but we'll still associate with her since she's a relative.

It's sad that Josh has apparently traded his dream of being a lawyer for an arranged marriage to someone he doesn't even know and who doesn't even know him. My guess is that John David will follow that same path and is now establishing himself as a "business man" in order to get married in the near future. If his dream is to be a pilot, that's just sad. I wonder why these parents don't encourage their children to pursue their dreams? I think the answer to that question lies in their not wanting to give up control. Of course, that's just my opinion and I'm sure others have differing ideas.

Paige said...

Breastfeeding isn't bad, but that giant foam blob was a little unnecessary, not to mention distracting. If she HAD to feed the baby right then, it would've been less distracting for the public school kids to have the baby on her lap.

Anyway, several people have mentioned the future careers of the Duggars. I think three of the boys said they wanted to be missionaries while another said "tow-truck driver." There's nothing wrong with driving a tow-truck, but I feel like that shouldn't be your life's ambition, especially when your parents claim they give you an adequate education.

I did like that one of the girls said she'd be interested in some photography classes. A small glimmer of hope.

SuccessfullyHomeSchooled said...

I was honestly very surprised to see that the Duggars home schooled the way that they did. I have no doubt that the children learn, but it seemed very chaotic. I was home schooled from first grade until middle school as was my brother and let me tell you, school started at 8 am every day no matter what. NOT ALL HOME SCHOOLERS SLEEP IN. My mom has her degree in elementary ed. so we had a regimented day in our designated school room where we sat at a table, and had a small library. If we sat there and didn't do our schoolwork, we had to sit at the table all day until the work was done. When I was finally enrolled in the city's most prestigious private school in middle school, I found the homework surprisingly easy. Once I graduated (from a different school) I had not been home schooled for five years, and I graduated with a weakness in math because of several bad teachers along the way. I had entered the school system strong in every subject and left it very week in math. However, I am not a complete advocate for home schooling. My brother and I could have used more socialization. We both entered the school system socially awkward, identifying more with adults than children our own age.
I was a bit disappointed with the Duggars in this episode. However I don't think people should say the Duggars ban all famous literature and only let the kids read christian books because I didn't hear that at all. I saw TLC take one of the older girls favorite books and compare them to a public school reading list, which isn't accurate.
I guess what distressed me is the fact that I hoped the wonderful Duggar family would give home schooling a good name but instead all I saw was chaos and goofing off and the fact that they couldn't get up early in the morning. For all those who doubt home schooling out there or have something nasty to say about it, just stop because no two home schooling families are alike. While I experienced strict home schooling and learned more than most kids my age, my husband had a far different experience. His mother said she "home schooled" him and his sister but he says he never cracked a text book or work book until his mother sent him to boarding school in 9th grade. He had to catch up in the real world all on his own. His sister is 18 years old and trying to get in to the same boarding school. She can barely read, and at best she will enter this school at a freshman level. This is the dark side of home schooling that makes the rest of us look bad. I'm sure the Duggars are much better about home schooling than my mother in law was, but they should really clean up their act and give home schoolers a decent image.
By the way--I really do like the Duggars. Other than in this episode they seem to be a great family, dancing or no dancing :)

Emiku said...

The person who made the post at TWOP about the girls sneaking a Twilight book was a poser & liar. If you read further into that thread a bunch of people called her out on being a fake, with clear evidence how they knew she was a fake.

http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?s=e654449ffd6652f92ad611837de33530&showtopic=3146312&st=15345

Anonymous said...

OK, I hadn't seen the lemonade at breakfast before. Can they not afford OJ or do they think lemonade is nutritious? Surprisingly, none of the kids seem to be overweight with the steady diet of processed, prepared foods and snacks. At least they don't seem to throw as much away at Gosselins.

Anonymous said...

Oh and also, I thought sleeping late would qualify as sloth in their view. Unless one works a different shift, I think it is productive to get up a reasonably early time of day.

cassandrau said...

JenL said...
I must say I wasn't very impressed with the Duggars' homeschooling. Their house needs a library or schoolroom where all the books, computers, supplies, desks, chairs, etc. are in one place and easily accessible. Basically, they need a 21st century version of a one-room schoolhouse, complete with a nursery for the babies.

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I was actually pretty impressed with the *older* kids' schooling. Note I say older only. The younger children seemed really disorganized, as you pointed out, but it seemed like all the older kids who do their work on the computers have a pretty organized and competent program...probably because it is done on the computer and not by Michelle. And poor Michelle, having to try to control all those younger ones by herself! I think if Jim Bob was around, he should help with homeschooling. I have to say, even though the younger children were rowdy, I commend Michelle for her patience and dedication. I would have lost it after about ten minutes!

Anonymous said...

I wonder why they let the cameras in on Jim Bob sleeping. That seemed so out of character for them. Also, one of the boys was in the bed right next to JoyAnna. What was with that?

And remember when all the girls wore those awful prairie dresses or jumpers with huge white collars? They have a little fashion going on now (still long skirts, except for Jinger, the renegade).

Now that Jimbob and Michelle are allowing cameras to follow the children around like the Gosselins, they really are no better than Jon and Kate. The youngest Duggars will grow up in front of the camera, just as the Sextuplets have, and look how that has turned out!

The Duggars are supposed to care about God more than money! Tell TLC to leave...now! Before it is too late!

krogie said...

Anonymous 7:20 I agree with you 100%. I noticed that comments made by the majority of home schooling advocates showed a shocking lack of grammatical skills.

Since grammar is probably the easiest concept to convey, can you imagine what happens when advanced math and science are required?

How are any of these kids going to do anything other than "work" in the family business and procreate?

Jim Bob strikes me as a creepy, control freak (ala Kate) who has some kind of Svengali hold on the mind numbingly robotic Stepford Michelle.

I feel sorry for the kids; they will NEVER realize their true potentials in life.

And, as a final PS, Anna please, try to walk and talk on your own without using Josh as your walkingstick mouthpiece:(

Mel said...

I thought Michelle was very open minded throughout the whole experience, but I was really disappointed in the girls and Josiah. As some posters have already mentioned, the girls looked disgusted as they watched the public school children do their cute little dance routine. At least Michelle was open minded (or tactful) when she mentioned that this could have been "a good morning exercise."
And, yes, I was also disappointed in little Josiah's "holier than thou" attitude about how public school must be much more difficult than homeschooling. Again, as so many others have mentioned, on that PARTICULAR day, the public school demonstrated much more organization that Michelle's day of teaching! The main issue here is that Michelle is teaching children over a variety of ages (making it more difficult for her), whereas in the public school system, children are grouped by ages. Josiah would not be able to understand that though.
I worry about Jill and Josiah following in the footsteps of their older brother Josh. The three of them seem to act like their better than others because of their religion. I should not judge though...
The positive thing about Jim Bob and Michelle is that they have had some wordly experience so they portray a Christian love to others. Life experiences have humbled them somewhat so they know that they aren't "better than other people." At least, I don't see Michelle acting that way. She seems GENUINELY SWEET. The chidren, on the other hand, seem to think that because they follow certain rules that they are better than others. I hope they come to realize that it is LOVE that Jesus is all about. I think that is what Michelle and Jim Bob are trying to teach them.
I hope I'm making sense. Now I'm just rambling...

Anonymous said...

Maybe the kids aren't "giving up on their dreams" but are just chosing more realistic goals. Maybe Josh is trying to save up some money to go to college/law school. Maybe it turned out that John-David has some sort of physical issue (e.g. bad eyesight) that would prevent him from becoming a pilot. Young teenagers can have big dreams, but then they get older and realize that, for whatever reason, they don't have what it takes to achieve those dreams, so they pick something new.

Anonymous said...

Where to begin? The little boys in the girl's bedroom? It shocks me that this is allowed in the Duggar home. I couldn't stand the reaction the older girls had to the children at the school dancing. The Duggars don't dance, and that's fine, but they seem to have no respect for others who have differing opinions. Michelle's choice to breastfeed doesn't bother me at all, however, doing it in a kindergarten classroom is crossing the line. As for the Duggar's homeschooling, personally I wouldn't choose to do it, but to each their own.

Still, as a soon-to-be public school teacher, I am flawed by the Duggar parents' views on education. They really do seem to just want to plunge their children into a world of close-mindedness, and why? What's wrong with some or all of the children having a college education? Are most Christian colleges not good enough for them?

Jinger? said she checks the children's grades on the computer program, because Michelle is too busy with the little ones. Don't the older children get any attention? I think its fine to get help from siblings or peers, but I always liked to be helped directly by my teachers.

Probably the worst part of the episode for me was when Jill was asked her favorite book. I thought for sure she'd be able to come up with some secular book, because she was speaking to public school children. Heck, even the Bible would be something that the children would at least recognize. What was the POINT of mentioning the book she chose? Advertising the extreme Duggar lifestyle again. This is the main problem I have with the Duggars, they just can't keep their beliefs to themselves.

Willow #1 said...

Thank you Suzanne DeAz!! - I was getting ready to post and point out that some poster/posters had misunderstood TWO people - JB AND Michelle -- BOTH of them said they did not mind paying taxes into the public school because of the various reasons, as Suzanne said. Please listen again.

I was defending JB about what he said about the kids being able to go to college, but as someone mentioned, what about John David? I am disappointed also. I hope he goes on and takes flying lessons on his own - even if he is married and has another job. That was how my dad learned. When I was just a baby and my parents were quite poor, my dad traded jobs etc. with the instructors, so he could take private flying lessons on the weekends. I think JD can find a way if he wants to bad enough. I think if I were the Duggars, with their beliefs, etc., I would offer to help each child with one degree OR an alternate vocation, if that is what they picked. But I digress...

I am kind of on the fence about the breast-feeding in an elementary school. Normal and natural - yes. Just not necessary. Probably a lot of those children have seen it at home. However, I was just so shocked to see her up there reading to the class with that contraption on. I agree that it is just over the top. It may have a use and a place, but not everywhere, IMO. I noticed it (the breast-feeding helper) at the funeral, sitting beside her on the pew, and I was startled at first and it took me a little bit to figure out what it was. I think it draws more attention to the nursing than is necessary. I think a discrete blanket is less noticeable, except when she is at home and doing tasks where it is convenient to have more flexibility. I have more comments, but will stop for now. Just observations. Still love the Duggars.

Joanna said...

DennyW said...
I don't get the no dancing thing - isn't there someplace in the bible that says be joyus and dance among/for/im joy for the lord?
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Yes indeed and being a classical trained dancer myself and now involved in praise interpative dance, I studied and prayed at great lengths about dance and the Bible (even three places in the new testiment)involes dance being used to bring Glory to God, (supposedily, Jesus probably danced himself at weddings and other festivals), and I believe the right kind of dancing dose. Christians who forbid dancing have taken thoughts two or three isolated incidents of a female dancing to suduce a man (which was the exact perposes of that type of dance, like King Herold's step-daughter dancing and suducing him which lead to the death of John the Baptist) and those are the examples some Christian groups use saying that dancing is lustful and sinful.

While I was too somewhat distrubed at Michelle feeding Jordyn while reading to the kindergardens and I thought it would have been better to finish the feeding then read, I just better what and see when it's my turn to nurse a baby.

Joanna said...

Huckleberry said...
I was sad to hear that John David seems to have abandoned his hopes of becoming a pilot. He said he was going to start his own tow truck business (which Jim Bob once did). I am sad that yet another Duggar kid has put their dreams away. I wonder if John David is getting his business going so he can take a wife?

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That's was five years ago when John David said that and we don't know if he dreamed about a long time or if it was a phase at the time. Children, teens, and young adults (even older adults), chance their mind constantly, and I for one think it's a good idea it get work experience and skills before taking college classes, and we really don't know if they "aren't" taking online classes or that they aren't out and about getting skills and training. You don't have to go to college to get good jobs and careers. And what if every single one of the 18 children "did" want to or end up going into the family businesses or never went to college. "BIG DEAL". Higher education comes in several different forms, not just college. And many of these people are fairing better then those with college degrees. (I know several people who have Master's degrees but no jobs were avaliable in their fields, and they know work at Wal-Mart, or grocery stores. The "lucky" ones have gotten jobs teaching at the vocational or community colleges. Others still have had to start all over again, haveing to get real skills through vocational, certificate classes, or on the job training to get real jobs. I know of a few grade school graduatates who could only find jobs as casiers in retail stores or Wal-Mart or Publix or Krogars, and one grade school graduate who throw all her education away and went to Chicigo and became a bar tender.

Anonymous said...

During JB's unsuccessful run for the Senate, Doug Thompson of the Arkansas News Bureau quoted Jim Bob as saying "I'm one of those parents who are paying thousands of dollars in property taxes while we teach our children at home, and I'm paying double for my childrens' education." Now is that self-pitying statement not the polar opposite of what he said on the School Daze segment? Michelle however eluded to this sentiment when she talked about paying taxes AND paying to supply their children with a homeschool curriculum.

Anonymous said...

Yes, Joanna, higher education does come in other forms than college. But these kids aren't given half a chance to live a different life than the absurdly sheltered one that they have had.

A true education teaches children to become critical thinkers, to read great works, to study history. These children read about chastity and think that the world is 6000 years old. I doubt Jim Bob would allow them to go to college, even if they wanted to. They will end up living in their little bible world, working in used car lots and producing huge litters of children, BECAUSE THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN EXPOSED TO ANYTHING ELSE!!!!

And for the girls, in particular, the Duggar form of mysogeny is almost abusive. Why should one girl be in charge of ALL the laundry for 20 people, or ALL the meals? Why are the older girls always toting a baby (whichever one Michelle is done breast feeding)? Where is the time to meet with friends, read a real book. talk on the phone, have FUN? These girls are being denied a childhood AND an education! It's terrible!

Anonymous said...

SERVICE to others is pretty twisted at the Duggar compound.

John David's aspires to be a pilot. Great - it's a skill that can be very usful to missionaries flying to remote locations. Why then, does JB seek to anchor him to the ground with a tow-truck business?

Same thing with Josh (arrogant know-all that he is ), who once aspired to the law, and now he's running a used car lot.

I guess SERVICE means "service industry" - think BIG in other ways Duggars !

Lena said...

1. As many people have commented I also thought the school day looked extremely disorganized. Maybe the kids were distracted because the cameras were there. It seemed at some points that they were "playing it up" a bit for the film crew.

Since they built their house themselves I don't understand why they could not add on a small school house. A previous poster said something about a "one room school house" I would second that but instead make it two rooms. One room for the little kids with desks and arts supplies ect. and one for the older ones with computers and an area for cabinets to keep all of the kids work organized (possibly a half bath as well to prevent the younger ones from trying to get out of school by saying they need to use the restroom). It seemed counterproductive to be running up and down the stairs all day to find workbooks.

I want to make it clear that I am all for homeschooling if done correctly. Some parents who home school are amazing at what they do. They devote so much of their time to making sure that their children are getting every opportunity possible and they teach them how to be dedicated and keep on schedule. Others work from home at the same time and the kids might not get the supervision they need. My cousin will be 20 in July and has yet to graduate for this very reason.

2. About the breastfeeding. I think it is perfectly acceptable to nurse in public. That being said I think doing it in the front of a class room while 30 kids are staring at you is not the best place and time.

3. About the dancing. I do not hold the same belief that the Duggars do about dancing (I'm actually a dance instructor) but I thought they handled it well. Some people have commented that they looked on with "holier than thou" expressions. In my opinion it was not them being self righteous. It looked more like "wow, this is really uncomfortable sitting here while tons of kids and adults are doing something we disapprove of".

4. About Jim Bob sleeping in. Everyone is different and Jim Bob has admitted that he is not an early riser. Some might say that he is lazy but who do you think took care of the other 12 kids while Michelle visited the school? She took 4 of the older girls with her so they were not there to help him.

I'm sure the older kids who were left at home helped out but that is still a lot of work especially since he had both Johanna and the next youngest (cant remember her name) with him. On a side note Johanna seems like a real firecracker haha. I think she will give her parents a run for their money.


Anyways those are my two cents on the episode.

nccalgal said...

Unfortunately, we have a tendency to assume that what we see is all there is. TLC did not spend a whole lot of time on how the Duggars conduct a typical school day; most of the episode was focused on the visit to the school. The graphic that was displayed compared the Duggar's "favorite" books to a public school's reading list. As another poster said, what teenager would chose a book from their required reading list as their favorite? Also, there are a lot of Christian based classics that are normally absent from the public school's list - Pilgrim's Progress, The Screwtape Letters, The Chronicles of Narnia to name a few.
As far as the gloom and doom outlook so many have for the Duggar children, just because they are repeating the tenets of their parent's belief system doesn't mean they will necessarily follow it as they get out on their own; even if the parents steer them to their intended mates. Even if we have not strayed from the basic Christian doctrine and beliefs, we must admit our life experiences have given us new insight on those beliefs and we have come to a new understanding of what Grace is and how we should live it out.

Anonymous said...

I can't help but wonder what prompted the Duggars sudden interest in wanting to visit a public school. Was it to reinforce to the children that being home-schooled is the best way to educate? Was it because some of the kids expressed a desire to go to public school? OR was it an "episode idea" suggested by TLC?

I seem to remember that Aunt Jodi or her sister said that TLC planned episodes of J&K+8; one example, it was said was that the shows where each child had their special day was not, in fact, an idea of Jon or Kate, but something TLC came up with. As I recall, those episodes (according to Jodi or Julie, posted on Julie's site) were shot all in a row, in a short span of time, and that Jodi was "babysitting" nearly everyday for two weeks while Jon, Kate and the child "du jour" were having/filming the "special" day.

TLC, in my opinion, does seem to be having an impact on the Duggars discernment . Window blinds for lighting issues? Probably no so bad. JB (or any of them) being filmed while in bed, children's private dentist visits and Anna's doctor visit, and poor Grandpa's last b-day, his wake and funeral being televised for all to see? Hmmm, not so good. When this show first began, I really thought that the Duggars would hold a tight rein over what they deemed "proper" or not to be filmed but now I am not so sure.

As for the "controversy" of Michelle breastfeeding while visiting the kindergarteners? While it is definately normal and natural and practiced in many homes, it is not practiced in ALL homes and certainly not what a parent expects their child to experience for the first time in a kindergarten classroom. It is not a matter of right or wrong, natural or unnatural, but of being respectful of other parents thoughts about what, and when, their children learn certain things.

Maybe those parents weren't prepared to or didn't appreciate having to answer the questions that surely must have been asked by their 5 year old after school. (I know that I would want to choose the time and place to have such a conversation with my own child.) Personally, I did not think it was appropriate to nurse while reading to the kids unless all the kids were familiar with the practice and therefore were not distracted by it, as I am sure her own children are not. Michelle should have turned the reading over to someone else and excused herself and fed the baby elsewhere. And for her being so aware of the differences of opinions that people have about raising children and wanting to shelter/filter children from outside influences, I am a bit surprised that Michelle would not have been more sensitive to how other parents may have felt about the matter. Yet, again, maybe the parents were all made aware of the probability that Michelle would nurse during the visit and those that took offense kept their kids home that day. We don't know. It's probably just another way TLC assures ratings by stirring up controversy and keeping their shows in the public forum...just look at all the comments posted here:)

Anonymous said...

Oh, my the hubbub about nursing the baby.

Glad you weren't witness to my son's preschool Halloween party. Three moms nursed their little ones while helping. And not one child was distracted and the party wasn't ruined.

Feeding your child isn't scandalous.

kathy said...

The boys want to rush and get married so soon because they are boys and they want sex! That is my opinion anyway.

Eagleandchild said...

About the shot of Josh and Anna emerging from the church right after their wedding: Doesn't it look like Josh is holding Anna like she's a puppet?

Anonymous said...

About why they visited the school:

Michelle stated on the show that a friend of hers said that the students were studying authors, and had written books, and she thought it would be 'neat' for the Duggars to come and show they had written a book, talk to the kids about that, and about their books and read to them. It wasn't the Duggars' idea.

Mrs. P

Enough with the Multiples said...

Re: "I have absolutely nothing against breastfeeding, I just think the place was very inappropriate."

Would it also have been an inappropriate place to bottlefed? If the answer is yes, then that's discrimination against breastfeeding.

Honestly, I'm amazed by all the people who feel that the Duggar's shelter their kids (not that I'm saying they don't) but then also say that kids should be sheltered from breastfeeding! This is ridiculous. While it didn't appear that any of the kids were distracted by Michelle's nursing, even if they were unfamilar with it and went home and asked their parents, big deal. As a parent, they certainly are going to get a lot tougher questions during child rearing than what is nursing? And if a parent is uneasy explaining something like that, then they should take a breastfeeding education class--most hospitals offer them as part of their education and child birth programs. I think they might have a different view after taking one.

As for the homeschooling-- I truely don't think we've seen enough of it to really evaluate it. I for one, would like to see more or another episode depicting how they school. That episode just raised more questions for me. Without seeing different days, different things taught, it's hard to judge. We can't really be sure if Jim Bob never helps or just wasn't around when that segment was filmed; whether the older kids only use the computer for instruction or if Michelle does teach in addition to it; and so forth. Who knows with TLC's editing. I do think the part with Jill and the favorite book was unfair though. In addition to being put on the spot, was she supposed to pick one that was her favorite right now or her favorite at the age of those kids? Also, they compared her favorite book with required reading for average public schools--that's clearly not the same. It would have been more accurate to compare required reading for public schools vs the Duggar's required list, or Jill's favorite book with popular books of that age range, per either a student poll or actual book sales.

Anonymous said...

Every state has its own guidelines governing homeschooling. Students in Arkansas are required to take the same standardized tests as those in public school. Regardless of the curriculum the Duggars chose to use, they still have to cover the basics that their resident school district is covering on each grade level.

I am a public school teacher, and unlike most of my colleagues, I do not feel threatened by homeschoolers (or charter schools), and support and admire those who undertake homeschooling. I support any parent's right to choose the method of education that best suits their family's needs - public, charter, homeschool.

I have many friends who have chosen to homeschool their children (two families have 5 children each, some with special needs). I have also facilitated learning activities for homeschool groups. I would swoon to have these children in my class - happy, inquisitive, polite, engaged, and a joy to teach.

Where I live, the homeschool numbers are high, comprising the equivalent of a decent sized school district within the county. Most of the parents are very dedicated, not only paying school taxes, but investing considerable time and money in their own supplies for academics, arts, and sports.

As far as teacher training goes, frankly there was very little provided beyond subject matter and educational theory, so I do not see the parents at some huge disadvantage for "lack of training". Classroom discipline was a mere one-day lecture.

Less than 20% of Americans go on to any sort of higher education beyond high school. If the Duggar children want to pursue college, they will. If they are part of the 80% of Americans who do not, fine. I wish them all the best.

Anonymous said...

Oh gosh, seriously you don't want your kids exposed to breastfeeding? What questions do you think your child will ask that will be so difficult to answer? The baby is simply eating. Period, end of story. It isn't a difficult concept for a young child to understand. I applaud Michelle for being matter of fact about it and not hiding in the back room. It's kind of like dancing, if you grow up thinking that dancing is fine and OK you aren't going to be freaked out by it when you see it in public ;)

NancyM said...

On the breast feeding in public issue... While I am not offended, my sister in law (who is Catholic) recently requested that our other sister-in-law not breast feed in front of her children (even under a blanket - she now goes in the other room or they send the kids out). Whether I agree or disagree does not matter. The Duggars have very strict guidelines about what they feel is appropriate for their children and I think it was insensitive of them to not consider other parents possible feelings on the matter. Yes it's totally natural, and no I have no problem with it - but having experienced first hand those who do - I feel comfortable in suggesting that she was not very considerate.

Willow #1 said...

Do any of you know if JB takes his girls to the Purity balls? I saw a documentary on TV about that once. Was that what Jill's book choice was about? Thanks if you know.
Peace and Love - Have a great weekend everyone!!

Grace said...

NancyM,

You said it perfectly.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 5:41 said:

"As far as teacher training goes, frankly there was very little provided beyond subject matter and educational theory, so I do not see the parents at some huge disadvantage for "lack of training". Classroom discipline was a mere one-day lecture. "

Subject matter is the crux of the matter, really, as well as teaching reading for younger children (which usually requires a masters degree). I was both an English and education major and earned a teaching degree to teach middle and high school students English in a public school. I needed to study different works of literature and genres intensely as a college student, and am now able to develop lessons based on literature, because I learned how to analyze and think critically about what I read. Applying strategies of critical reading to essay writing is also an important skill that a person with little education is not prepared to teach.

I would not feel prepared to teach Earth Science or Geometry or French, since I did not have appropriate course work beyond high school, to become enough of an expert to impart knowledge to inquiring minds. If teaching were "teaching oneself" using the computer, we wouldn't need teachers at all now, would we?

Since I don't think most people believe the teaching profession is obsolete, we can clearly see the need for well trained and well educated TEACHERS to teach children. SImply plunking them in front of a workbook or computer is not teaching, or at least not direct instruction. If the kids learn by teaching themselves, fine, but let's not fool ourselves into thinking that Michelle Duggar is some teaching icon, when she barely has a high school education herself.

It isn't that ALL parents are at a disadvantage in teaching their children. However, uneducated ones are, and no parent has enough knowledge in all subjects to give their children a well rounded education, even if they are well educated (I have two masters degrees, and still would not feel comfortable teaching my children material in several subjects). Michelle Duggar, married and baby producing at age 17, and pregnant most of her life, has clearly not had the education to provide her children with a decent knowledge base for the 21st century. Of course, since they still live in the dark ages, it probably doesn't matter.

Anonymous said...

People keep harping that 'there is a time and a place' to breastfeed. Really? Have you ever heard an infant scream bloody murder in the middle of a seminar/mall/wedding? The best way to quiet that baby is to feed it. As soon as you give it the breast, it quiets down and you can continue on with your life. An infant has a stomach the size of a walnut, so it doesn't take long for it to empty. Therefore 'waiting' to feed the baby until later really isn't an option. When you commit to breastfeed your baby, you commit to a job that can happen at any time 24/7. People have to get it into their heads that seeing a baby breastfeed in public isn't dirty. You are the sick one for thinking that it is somehow lewd, because you are putting your own sick ideas about breasts over the health of a infant.
So envision the scene where Michelle didn't breastfeed. Do you think those kids would've been able to hear her read above the wailing of her 5 month old? Screaming babies are pretty distracting. Plus, she is super conservative about nursing in public and uses that ridiculous tent thing to cover herself. In my opinion those things keep women from feeling confident about their decision to do what is best for their baby, breastfeed.

wondering said...

I wonder if everyone would have as many issues with the Duggars shielding their children from the secular world if they were orthodox jews instead of christians? I know several families who similarly keep their children separated from the "secular world" and raise their children within the strict doctrines of the orthodox jewish faith. Most of the orthodox jewish girls whom I know were married at a very young age, and at 22 or 23 already have 2 or 3 children. I've always wondered why people take such offense to people raising their children in a very conservative christian manner (going as far as to call it abuse), but do not take the same issue with other faiths. Any thoughts?

Anonymous said...

So envision the scene where Michelle didn't breastfeed. Do you think those kids would've been able to hear her read above the wailing of her 5 month old? Screaming babies are pretty distracting. Plus, she is super conservative about nursing in public and uses that ridiculous tent thing to cover herself. In my opinion those things keep women from feeling confident about their decision to do what is best for their baby, breastfeed.

No need to let the baby scream- simply excuse yourself and let one of the girls read the book. She doesnt even need to leave the room, just sit aside while the baby nurses. I would think it would be better for the baby anyway to have mom sitting quietly while nursing. And as far as being super conservative while nursing- that contraption thing was far from conservative. If she truly want to be conservative she should have sat aside and nursed discretely. That 'thing' was ridiculous and drew attention to the fact she was feeding. I bet many of the kids were so intent on watching her parade around with that, that they had no clue what the book was about. And again- I am certainly not against breastfeeding. My issue is with how she did it. It looked bizarre and attention grabbing.

Anonymous said...

I read that Michelle uses the Brest Friend Pillow. I went to the web site and read this-
'* Do not use this product with baby while standing. Children should be supervised while using this product. Always hold baby while using this product."'
So she clearly was using the product incorrectly. And how in the world was the baby attached to the pillow? I see no straps to hold the baby in place and clearly Michelle was not holding her in place.

Anonymous said...

Wondering asked:

"I've always wondered why people take such offense to people raising their children in a very conservative christian manner (going as far as to call it abuse), but do not take the same issue with other faiths. Any thoughts?"

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The problem is fundamentalism of all religions. Fundamentalist Christians are no better than Fundamentalist Jews or Muslims, really, but they are much more visible and in your face in the US. Plus they try to control politicswith issues of stem cells, gay marriage, abortion, and their belief that they are the "Focus on Family" proponents and everyone else is a heathen and immoral.

The hypocrisy stinks though---whether it is Michelle with her ridiculous breastfeeding contraption which might make people uncomfortable (while her girls snicker at dancing), or their love of the the TLC almighty dollar (so much for Christian financial sacrifice). Also, the Bristol Palin's whose parents preach abstinence, while their own kids get knocked up.

I don't see fundamentalism of other religions on display in the US. If it was in the forefront, as evangelicals make their beliefs, people would comment on that too.

Kat said...

nccalgal,
Almost eveyone I know has had to read "The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe" for 6th or 7th grade English, and "Pilgrim's Progress" was in my 11th grade English textbook (but we had a cool teacher who never used the textbook!)

Grace said...

I'm convinced the Duggars just love attention. Regarding the breast feeding contraption that Michelle uses. It's the same thing as the 'wholesome wear' swimsuits. It is SO over the top conservative, that it is actually counter productive and draws more attention to itself. It's silly, and it screams, "Look at me! I'm so modest!"

Many of you have argued about breast feeding in public being appropriate. I agree with you, to a degree. Breast feeding in a mall, at a wedding, at a party, in a restaurant, all of these things are appropriate. But there is a difference between breast feeding AMONGST people and breast feeding while you are the center of attention of about 50 kindergartners. To me, a more appropriate solution would be for Michelle to hand the book over to Josiah, and then stand/sit with the teachers as she breast fed the baby. Still in public, still caring for the baby's health, but not front-and-center of everyone's attention.

ms0tee said...

To address John David and the fact that he wanted to be a pilot: I can't remember which episode (or if it was and older special) but Jim Bob addressed the fact that John David was interested in becoming a pilot, but that he realized that it would not be a suitable job for him because of the traveling involved and that he would be away from his family too much. That's why John David isn't pursuing that goal.

Anonymous said...

I've been thinking it over and reading the comments here, and I have a strong suspicion about the way that the home schooling excerpts were broadcast. This is not the first time that we have been shown Michelle trying to handle a group of younger children who are misbehaving--and in every instance, she's been pretty ineffective. Yet one of the things she has been praised for (on the Today Show, for example) is how well-behaved her children are, especially in public.

Why the contradiction? It seems to me that Jim-Bob and Michelle are not willing to discipline their children on-camera. On the one hand, I appreciate the fact that they are not embarrassing the little ones on screen. On the other hand, given the powerful support for spanking and similar punishment (like blanket training) among Gothardites, it's equally possible that the Duggars simply don't want their training made too public.

Anonymous said...

Wondering.....

I think I can answer some of your queries, as I fall into that other group that you mention.

1. I cannot think of any orthodox Jewish family that would allow filming in their home like the Duggars do. We do not aim to "show the world" our value system, therefore we would not be interested in doing so.

2. We place a great deal of emphasis on education. There are families that homeschool, however, I believe the majority send their children to private school. The private schools have a dual program - religious studies half of the day and secular studies the other half (my school day was 7:30 to 5:30 in high school). There are things beyond JB's rudimentary literal bible knowledge and books about chastity that one gets in a formal school system. There are even deeper things about religion that one learns from those who have studied it intensely for years, etc.

3. Similar to the earlier poster, we value modesty. Some of what I see on the show seems to be made up - I see the Duggars wearing skirts like we do, but they don't give an explanation beyond, "we thought this was what Jesus wants". What about modesty beyond skirts?

Just a few thoughts off the top of my head.

Willow #1 said...

To Anonymous 6/6 - 7:48 a.m. - I don't know about the other posters, but as for my comments, I meant - OF COURSE - that a mother might wait and READ TO THE CHILDREN at another time - not feed the baby at another time. Are you for real?? That is just rediculous that you would think we would mean to let a hungry baby cry!!!! Also, the fact of it being lewd did not enter my mind at all. What a bizarre accusation! I breast-fed my own 2 children for heaven's sake. I can't speak for anyone but myself, but my opinion was that posters were just having a sincere exchange of ideas.

Penny Sycamore said...

About Michelle breastfeeding in front of the school kids: I think it's great. I do wish she'd worn Jordyn in a sling though. Many moms find that they can breastfeed their babies while wearing them in a sling or wrap carrier without anyone really knowing and it's certainly much safer than propping the baby on a My Brest Friend pillow while you're walking around. No need to throw a blanket or shawl over the shoulder either.

I can't recall ever breastfeeding in front of a kindergarten class, but my third daughter did tell her kindergarten class all about seeing her baby sister's birth. Theresa was present in the birthing room when her little sister was born in the morning and she told her K-5 class all about the birth that afternoon. AFAIK, there wasn't any negative feedback.

Earlier, someone mentioned that John-David could learn to fly in the military. That presents some difficulties. Military pilots/aviators are commissioned officers and, nowadays, a bachelor's degree is one of the requirements for receiving a commission.

Anonymous said...

Duggar family scheduled to make an announcement on June 15th on the Today show! #19?????

Tess said...

Duggar family announcement scheduled for Today Show on Monday June 15th!! #19????

Emory said...

The Duggars are making a big announcement on June 15th on the Today Show. What do you think it is? #19??? If so right on schedule!

Anonymous said...

My god. when will it stop? We should take bets as to how many they will ultimately have.

KidsAreCute said...

The announcement could also be the gender of J&A's baby...

Laura said...

To those that think the breastfeeding contraption is over the top and that a blanket is simpler, yes, that's true, but the pillow she uses helps hold the baby, thus making it easier on the back of the mother.

Anonymous said...

And how much does the today show pay them when that have yet another announcement? Media whores....

Anonymous said...

The announcement is going to be Josh and Anna revealing the sex of their baby. If you watch the latest "Duggars: The Next Generation" video on the TLC website it shows Anna saying that they are going to be announcing the gender of their baby in the next few weeks and are looking forward to finding out.

Im.in.PR@gmail.com said...

Someone said And how much does the today show pay them when that have yet another announcement?

The Today Show does not pay for interviews.

Anonymous said...

But it has already been announced that it is a girl.

Joanna said...

I saw that in Wikipedia and I don't know where they got that from unless someone was playing a trick, a hacker, or they took what Josh said in "Double Date" that he thought the baby was a girl and took that, or whatever. There hasn't been an actually annoucenment. That mistake has been removed from Wikipedia. Even it is a girl or not, (No, I do not know what it is) no offical annoucement has been made.

Anonymous said...

Can anyone tell me what the heck do the older girls (Jana and Jill) do all frigging day? Are they seriously just waiting to be married off? They don't have jobs (paying jobs that is), aren't going to college, aren't dating or even attending a trade school. What is their future (besides chaning more Duggar diapers)?

Anonymous said...

No matter what announcement they plan to make (maybe it's number 19 and the sex of Josh and Anna's baby) I wonder why they have to have national tv exposure? It's going to be interesting to see what the reaction is to this "announcement" - the Gosselins are getting eaten alive for "exploitation" - in my mind the Duggar's constant need for media attention is along the same lines. In fact, the subjects of a couple of the Duggars "announcements" have been innocent unborn children.

The personalities of these families are vastly different, but exploitation is exploitation.

This is simply free advertisement for their reality show - no more no less.

totallyhonest said...

I just got all four of my wisdom teeth extracted today and I just want to say: number one, I have absolutely no interest in seeing the Duggar girls have their's removed, it is not a pleasat experience and it is far too disgusting to be entertaining. Number two, I pray that their parents let them take the percocet (or oxycodone like I have) even though it is a controlled substance...cause omgosh my mouth hurts and without it I would probably be writhing in pain right now. I have a feeling Jim Bob and Michelle are going to have a problem with it...

That's all. Looking forward to reading everyone's comments tomorrow.

Anonymous said...

ms0tee said...

To address John David and the fact that he wanted to be a pilot: I can't remember which episode (or if it was and older special) but Jim Bob addressed the fact that John David was interested in becoming a pilot, but that he realized that it would not be a suitable job for him because of the traveling involved and that he would be away from his family too much. That's why John David isn't pursuing that goal.

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I believe that the above you're referring to was in their book. It may have been said on the show, too, but I am fairly certain that I read it in their book.

I do think that it is a shame that he would give up his dream for a wife and family he does not yet have. I hope that it is something that he does not regret or feel resentful about in the future. Marriage is not for everyone; some people choose career instead of marriage and it is the best thing for them. I would like to think that he can have both, if he chooses.

I know two airline pilots and they have children and lives like everyone else. Their career choice is really not that much different from a parent that travels for business.

Renee said...

I don't have children and I don't like children. Public breastfeeding is fine but if women want the world at large to respect that their children need to eat then they need to respect the fact that not everyone wants to see you doing it regardless if you think it's right/natural/beautiful/etc. Public breastfeeding should be discreet as to respect the feelings of EVERYONE in the public area and Michelle was anything but discreet.

Anonymous said...

"regardless if you think it's right/natural/beautiful/etc."

um, just a note here, no one "thinks" or is "of the opinion" that it is natural. It is natural. Statement of fact.

Anonymous said...

To the person who said that families must homeschool so they can sleep late: WOW ! Are you serious ? I'm pregnant with my first baby, and me and my hubby plan to homeschool. NOT so we can sleep late, but so my children will get a Godly education, without being subjected to the things they could learn in a public school setting. Very closed minded of you to think people would do something like that for their own personal sleep schedules.

jonandkatewho? said...

ITA with the poster who said it was ridiculous to think that anybody would home school their children for the sake of sleeping in!

I have a friend with a very bright little boy and an older girl who is two grades ahead in school for her age.

Her little boy is in pre-school and when he is out she is planning to home school him. This is because she wants to keep him from some of the negative aspects of the public school in the area, which include kids with guns and drugs at school and very young teenage girls becoming pregnant. I can't say I really blame her. I did not realize things had got that bad around here. She and her husband cannot afford to put him in private school, and I don't think our private ones are too much better than the public ones.

Home schooling is work, and it's way off the mark in my book to say that anybody would do it for the sake of sleep.

Now, about the announcement. I think it is highly ridiculous that this family has to go on a television show to announce the sex of a new baby. Who really cares that they are announcing the baby's sex? They are exploiting that little baby before it is even born! How very lame. Do people really find this family so entertaining that they need to see a special announcement like this on some tv show? Good grief!

I wouldn't think Anna would want the media up in her face this way, so the decisions are probably being made by her egotistical husband. More than one of those Duggar boys strikes me as being egotistical, too. I don't think being on television is going to be good for those kids.

And it's no different from the Gosselins, though they may be more likeable in general.

Poppin' Good said...

krogie said: I noticed that comments made by the majority of home schooling advocates showed a shocking lack of grammatical skills.
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I think you're on to something there!

Anonymous said...

What are Jana and Jill doing all day? Laundry, diapers, meals, dishes. They are saving Michelle from downing in her daily tasks. Don't worry. Jim Bob is out there finding appropriate men to marry his daughters. But only when it's convenient for Michelle and Jim Bob. Those girls can't be married off yet... who in the world would fix lunch?

So Jana and Jill are getting their wisdom teeth out. I wonder if they'll be allowed to lounge in bed for a day or two? Is that considered sloth? Or will they be whipping up a batch of tater tot casserole with gauze in their mouths? As for pain medication? Who knows how that will play out. I will be mad if they deny them pain medication for the sake of... being Duggary.

SavetheSheeples said...

"Michelle was anything but discreet."

She was being discreet. Not being discreet would have been just popping her boob out for all to see.

Breastfeeding is a normal, natural thing. People should stop automatically associating breasts with sex, and lose the taboo. Their sole purpose is to feed babies. When a baby is hungry, especially a newborn, they cannot wait. All they know is that they are hungry and they want to eat NOW.

I breastfed 5 kids. There were times when it needed to be done in public, and I was not ashamed to do so. I covered up and tried to be as discreet as possible. If anyone who witnessed it was offended, then that's their problem.

The Real Susie said...

To Anonymous 1:56 p.m.:
I am just watching the new show of the girls at the dentist getting their wisdom teeth pulled. They do get to stay in bed and rest for a week Jana said - others took over their "jurisdictions". (I hate that word too). But YEAH for Jana and Jill - enjoy that rest -- you well deserve it.!!!! I liked the episode fine considering it was about teeth. LOL.

Anonymous said...

Why is everyone in such a fuss about getting up early? Some people are not morning people. No one in my family gets up before the crack of noon unless they have to be somewhere. But when they do have to be somewhere they are all perfectly capable of getting themselves up and out the door on time. The Duggars' chronic lateness probably has more to do with how many people they have to get out the door than what time they have to get up. And some people are just late for everything, no matter what time of day. At least the Duggars aren't like some of the kids I went to high school with, who would claim they were late because their mom forgot to wake them up.

mrsdustysmom said...

I was relieved to see that the girls were allowed to take their medications. Little Joy Anna took over their care and was setting timers so she'd know when it was time to administer pills and change ice packs. She was pretty sweet about it.
Glad this is over for them.

maria said...

I was on an imdb board and found the URL to Josh's Twitter page. Some of his use of the English language was terrible. He made mistakes that most 7th graders would not make. He also mentioned in one of his 'tweets' that the older kids were done with homeschooling. I don't know if he means they were done as in 'graduated' or done as in 'they quit'. He just said something like 'this will be interesting.'

maria said...

I did find Josh Duggar on Twitter again. Here are some of his gems:

# My brothers and sisters are finally off of home schooling! Houston, we have a problem!3:30 PM Jun 5th from web

(I don't know what that means)

# Waiting anxiously for the families arrival!8:11 AM Jun 5th from web

(should be 'FAMILY'S arrival')

# Getting back from visiting the family! WHOA, their all getting so big!3:35 PM Jun 3rd from web

(should be THEY'RE instead of their)

# Hey! Dont forget to visit me and Anna's website JA20.com!6:40 PM May 9th from web

(my personal favorite - it speaks for itself)

As you can see from Josh's posts, he isn't exactly the poster child for homeschooling. He has always struck me as not very intelligent or articulate. Most of these mistakes he made are mistakes that I would only expect from someone in elementary school. By the time you are in 7th grade, you should have a pretty good grasp of the rules of English.

Here is Josh's Twitter URL. Mods, edit this part out if you need to.

www.twitter.com/Josh_Duggar

Mary said...

I can't believe all of these comments bashing Michelle for choosing to discretely nurse her infant daughter in the school. Yes, I suppose it would have been much better for all parties if she would have left the baby in her carseat and just let her scream through the entire outing. @@

And yes, Michelle was very discreet. She obviously cares about being prudent, otherwise she wouldn't carry the drape around with her to cover herself with. I mean, we're talking about a woman who would cover her pregnant belly with a drape whenever her OB used a fetal doppler or did an ultrasound. Of course Michelle was discreet while breastfeeding.

nccalgal said...

maria said...
I did find Josh Duggar on Twitter again. Here are some of his gems:

I won't argue the level of Josh's intelligence, but I must say, most of the errors that you point out are common errors that I see in comments on this site as well as other blogs. I don't think all of the posters are the products of home schooling. Unfortunately writing skills and grammar have not been emphasized in most schools, public, private or home. Many of the "rote" activities that we did in school such as diagraming sentences, memorizing spelling rules (i before e) and the like were set aside for a long time as repititious and boring. Now they are coming back. Texting doesn't help the situation either since so much of it is "code".

Just as others have pointed out, not all homeschoolers are social misfits with substandard education whose parents are trying to shield them from the evil people in the public schools. I know of several non-religious families who homeschool because the father works second shift and would not get to see his kids if they were in a traditional school setting.

Mary said...

maria said...
I did find Josh Duggar on Twitter again. Here are some of his gems:

# My brothers and sisters are finally off of home schooling! Houston, we have a problem!3:30 PM Jun 5th from web

(I don't know what that means)

# Waiting anxiously for the families arrival!8:11 AM Jun 5th from web

(should be 'FAMILY'S arrival')

# Getting back from visiting the family! WHOA, their all getting so big!3:35 PM Jun 3rd from web

(should be THEY'RE instead of their)

# Hey! Dont forget to visit me and Anna's website JA20.com!6:40 PM May 9th from web

(my personal favorite - it speaks for itself)

As you can see from Josh's posts, he isn't exactly the poster child for homeschooling. He has always struck me as not very intelligent or articulate. Most of these mistakes he made are mistakes that I would only expect from someone in elementary school. By the time you are in 7th grade, you should have a pretty good grasp of the rules of English.

Here is Josh's Twitter URL. Mods, edit this part out if you need to.

www.twitter.com/Josh_Duggar


I'm sure, while in 7th grade, Josh had a fine grasp of the English language and still does. However, Josh is a guy and most guys don't pay that much attention to grammar and spelling. They just don't. Men, in general, are not wired that way. It is one of my biggest pet peeves, but picking apart his spelling mistakes is just grasping at straws. Everybody has their weaknesses. Mine is math, his is probably spelling. Simply because he is not as articulate as you think he should be, does not mean he is unintelligent.

Anonymous said...

That Josh Duggar Twitter account cannot be real, can it? Seriously, the lack of grammar is completely appalling.

And just think, when he homeschools his kids the cycle can repeat (and probably get worse). There you have it folks, the dumbing down of America!

Willow #1 said...

To Mary 6/10/2009 at 1:15 a.m.

I respectfully ask that you read my post of 6/6 at 11:24 p.m. I will repeat - Can you REALLY believe that I or anyone else would seriously mean that a mother let her baby cry???? That is just absurd. The idea was that the mother might feed the baby before or after reading to the class, OR if the teacher's schedule could not be changed, have one of her children read it. It was just an exchange of ideas - not an indictment!!! If its o.k. to disagree with the Duggars on other issues, it is o.k. to disagree about the breast-feeding in front of a class. We all agree - no neglecting of hungry babies!! :)

Anonymous said...

I don't think this was mentioned in comments for this episode, but did anyone else think that Michelle looked possibly pregnant? It seemed to me that she was a bit round in the middle and her blouse looked pretty loose and big, as a maternity top would. This struck me as odd because shortly after Jordyn's birth, she looked slim; her face was very thin.

In recent episodes, she looked tired and not well. I noticed it first in the "Duggars on Ice" show, but I chalked it up to her being worried about baby Jordyn. Now I am not so sure.

If anyone has recorded this one, please watch again and see what you think. Maybe the TV announcement really is about #19 (and 20!)?

msrylee said...

With regard to John David and his desire to be a pilot, I can address the issue of absences from family. My husband has been an airline pilot for all our married life (over 30 years) and he has been away from his family a great deal of time. Our daughters are now adults with their own kiddies. As a family, we cherished and made the most of his time with us, and took it for granted that when he was away from us, he was working. I have whole-heartedly supported his decision, and even though many times difficulties arose, sicknesses occured, etc. our life has been good.

It seems to me that one can pursue a career that requires absences, and still have a stable family life.

Kristie said...

Jacksprat said:
The no dancing rule is kind of weird. It's not like they were slow-dancing with boys. What's wrong with just getting your grove on to some good music? Nothing.

I wonder how young they enforce this rule? If one of the little kids is watching some tv show or listening to music and starts dancing around, do they punish the kid?

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Remember the episode where one of the younger boys was playing with a musical toy in a store they visited, and did a little dance? Jana was a witness to it and was asked on camera about it, and she got really defensive and said something like, "He was NOT dancing. He was 'jumping for joy'." I can't remember her description of what 'jumping for joy' was. She didn't seem to know the reasoning for the no dancing rule, and sort of looked like a deer caught in the headlights.

The Real Susie said...

Anonymous - Yes, I too noticed Michelle had on her "light green" maternity top the other night. It was like a subconscious thing, but I had a fleeting moment of "why is Michelle wearing a maternity top?". But, then, realizing how young Jordyn still is, I just thought, oh she must still be a little heavier and the top was handy, but I was sure it was one she has worn many times during pregnancy. If she is pregnant so soon, I will be disappointed. Not that it is my business, but isn't Jordyn still a little young? If this is the case, I will definitely assume in my mind that she is going to continue as long as she can, whether she is 50 or whatever. I don't understand it, but I guess she is standing by her belief, no matter what (IF she is pregnant). I hope we are just conjecturing (wow, I can make up words just like you-know-who). HA.

jonandkatewho? said...

I'm sorry but the "jumping for joy" excuse was the dumbest thing I have ever heard in my life. It made my lip curl.

Couldn't they just admit that it feels good to dance, and it comes naturally? My goodness, are they going to rot in Hades forevermore if they happen to move to the music when they are kids?

WTF? This is just stupid. I don't even like to waste words on it.

I also hope Michelle is not pregnant again. I will feel disgusted by her if she is, for some reason I cannot name at the moment. I would be worried for her health, too. You would think her HUSBAND might care a little more about his wife's physical well-being since complete strangers do! I also don't think the eldest Duggar girls need another baby to raise.

I wish all the families of multiples on tv would just go away. Enough is enough.

I know, I don't have to watch if I don't like it and for the most part I do not. However, lovely blogs like this one give me the place to express my disgust at child exploitation and the fact that I find these shows for the most part just tactless and tasteless. Not to mention boring as hell.

Anonymous said...

I found it interesting that in the beginning of the show, Michelle said that they had visited a few "schools" before, but then later on she said that this was their first time visiting a "public" school. I wonder what schools she was referring to in her first comment?

Randi Warhol said...

This is something that I fell upon while just searching around online. Michelle gives a complete rundown on exactly what they do each day for "school".

This was taken from a homeschool blog, not a Duggar blog. It was posted in 2007.

http://thehomeschoolcorner.blogspot.com/2007/05/duggars-16-children-and-successfully.html

Anonymous said...

I think that is from the Duggar family Q &A about homeschooling.

What strikes me is that the entire "curriculum" seems to be religiously based. While I think that there is a place for secular education, it seems that using the "Wisdom" booklets for study of "Science" is a bit of an oxymoron, since what Science will they be learning? That the earth is flat? That creationism is science?

Also, it was interesting that Michelle says they start their day at 8 a.m. On all recent episodes, the family has had trouble getting up early.

I am also bothered that the children basically teach themselves Math and English, in "individual studies". Math, in particular, needs direct instruction for most (though not all) children. I would be worried that the older kids do not have more than basic mastery of math facts, not Geometry or pre-calculus, etc.

Anonymous said...

If you've read the book she and Jim Bob discuss their curriculum. Math, English and other 'basics' are covered for grades 3-12 with a computer based program called Switched on Schoolhouse, and they have to send in their work (via internet) and have it graded and checked, etc.

Mrs. P

Dallas said...

What exactly is so immoral about public schools? My daughter has attended them since kindergarten. She's in high school now. I can't think of a single thing she's been exposed to in her elementary school, middle school or high school that would be considered immoral. Maybe Fellowship of Christian Athletes with all their awful talks on character? The teachers who heavily punish any form of cheating? The entire school emphasizing and reward character traits such as responsibility, trustworthiness, good citizenship, etc? Horrible, right?

What is this idea that public schools are just a haven for all things disgusting?

She's received a good education, is now in Pre-AP and AP courses and is very much on track to attend a good university, and well-prepared for it, too.

I'm a teacher and have watched anything they show on the Duggars and their homeschooling and it just makes me shake my head sadly. Where's the higher math? The hands-on science? You could do some labs outdoors (eg: examples of erosion, etc). Where are the longer pieces of writing, the writing process, really analyzing literature? It's all missing. Worksheets are not an education.

I don't get this idea that because you are a parent, you are also qualified to teach any subject, K through 12. I couldn't teach my daughter French or physics, and I wouldn't even try.

Laura said...

On public schools, I live in the Springdale-Rogers-Fayetteville area, and I must say that they have some GREAT schools. Having a Master's degree to teach is almost required--not officially, but most teachers do have their Master's. Being so close to UA and in an area full of Wal Mart execs' children (and teacher spouses), competition is quite fierce for teaching jobs. It's also a VERY family friendly area in general. Everywhere I go, I see people and families out walking and biking. I love how generally safe this area is and walk a lot myself. The people are friendly and even moral--even the nonreligious in the area. Nothing to be scared of. Of course, no area is perfect, but it doesn't get better just because you lock your kids away.

There are many situations I myself would homeschool. Being afraid of the schools in this area, however, is not one of them.

And as a side note on the Twilight book, the TWOP forums came to the conclusion that the poster was probably fake.

JenTru said...

I know several people have made comments on how disorganized and chaotic the Duggar home school is.

While I have to agree that what was shown was very chaotic, I imagine the "boring" parts where the kids were actually sitting and doing their work were probably not shown. Having the workbooks in a far away room didn't make any sense though. I am sure there is room for improvement in their schooling, but without seeing a typical, enitire day I will hold off on judging that part. I know some hme schooled kids who are very articulate and well educated-and I know some others who aren't.

One thing that concerns me mightily is that Jim Bob seems to be the authority on everything to the kids, whether he knows what he is talking about or not. That scares me. An educated parent with their kids' best interests in mind would be fine to say that they needed to look something up or find someone else to answer the questions.

While I am a huge breastfeeding proponent, and often brestfed in public places, had I been Michelle, I would probably have chosen not to breastfeed while reading a story to a roomful of kids. Not because there is anything wrong with breastfeeding, but because, to me, it is kind of rude. Like she is not invested in the kids ebough to detatch the baby for five minutes to read them a story and give them her full attention. Jordyn was not a teeny newborn then and most likely could've waited ten minutes to be fed.

Anywho...

Anonymous said...

I thought it insensitive at Joshua & Anna's wedding for family to be making so many remarks about fact it will be first kiss at wedding. JB even went so far as to do father-son talk with cameras, and gave him books and said to see the pictures, which obviously embarrassed Joshua. That should be a private talk without cameras recording. Not everything should be aired to public. Amy was making smart remarks about first kiss and something else... Amy was her usual loud self about wanting to them to smear cake. I'm glad Joshua had respect for Anna and didn't do that. Amy needed to stay out of it.

Joshua & Anna are newlyweds, but should have intimate moments (the public kissing) more private.

As for breast feeding at the kindergarten. It was out of place. Michelle needed to slip into another room and have one of the other Duggar kids read.

I would feel better about the homeschooling if kids would go on to public high school for other social aspects of schooling, and they need college. I hope John David will think again about pursuing his interests, even if it is a job away from home. Time to cut apron strings. Girls also need the job training out in public. They need to learn to be independent prior to marriage. Not all husbands can do full support of family, and they may need job skills. Joshua will be a better businessman with some higher education. On line college is expensive, if they plan that. They need to live some out in the world.

Chewy said...

" NancyM said...
Although the Duggars seem like nice people, I am confused about why "we" are not condemning them for child exploitation. On the show last night, we saw a number of very small children, still in bed asleep being roused in front of cameras. The children are being exposed to people making fun of their beliefs (online perhaps but nevertheless...), they are now "well known" and people know their names and faces just like the Gosselin children. (if it's dangerous, it's dangerous for all kids) The only reason the G kids are now even more recognizable is because of the tabloid stuff. I don't see how Michelle's syrup voice makes it more palatable. "

Yes, I agree! I think this is the same exploitation as the Gosselins. These children are too young to be exposed in this way and have no sayso about it. It's why I have never watched and never will. If they think they are better than Jon and Kate they are sorely mistaken.

"Also, I have no issue with breast feeding in public (I'm a dreaded liberal MBA) however that THING she carries that little baby in just looks uncomfortable for both her and the baby. I also do know some pretty conservative people who do NOT like it - they feel it is immodest so I am not sure that was the right place or time - in front of all those kids."

Agreed here as well. If the woman claims to have such deep conviction about modesty and being respectful, why would she do something so unnecessary and disregard how the rest of the room might feel? Not like the baby couldn't eat later.