Tuesday, August 11, Duggars on a Deadline

The Bates' home addition is still underway and the Duggars are there to see it through. But with the house still not complete how will the big families continue to share the small space

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111 comments:

Anonymous said...

55 people sharing one bathroom is insane and probably unhealthy. Why do these people have to live like trailer trash?

susie said...

I would think the Board of Health would have a concern about so many people using one bathroom.

Sarolite said...

@Anon I think they're doing a wonderful thing for their friends, not living "like trailer trash" on a regular basis! Also, don't forget the bathroom on the bus and I'm sure several are in diapers.

Anonymous said...

Ah, the bathroom on the bus..... a Port-O-Potty on wheels.

imaamy said...

They said the bathroom on the bus was full and a piece was broken so they can't empty it. Yuck!

Anonymous said...

I think the drama over the bathroom is rather silly. The one bathroom we know was out of commission due to tiling. Probably was only a couple of days until it was back up and running. It highly doubt they were with only one bathroom the whole month. They were just showing one glimpse of it for the dramatic effect.

frugalchicken said...

why do people have to be so rude? A Christian act of giving turns into trailer trash. It is a temporary situation, and when finished will be quite nice. We camp in a camper, it has a bathroom in it, a far cry from a port-o-potty on wheels.

Anonymous said...

There are always major inconveniences with remodeling even with a regular size family, so I'm sure it was multiplied a few times with so many people, but I've got a feeling they took it all in stride.

Actually, they seem to have done an amazing amount of work in a couple of months. Of course,they had lots of workers too.

Remodeling is the piets but you have to get through it and look forward to the finished product.

I can't wait to see how it all turned out. Like others have posted, I wish they'd have 2 new episodes a week until they show the completed renovation.

Anonymous said...

Why does anyone think that all of the Duggar younger children needed to be there for this remodel? It just created havoc with too many more people needing the bathroom, and the little kids can't help with the remodel anyway.

I could understand Jim Bob and the older boys going, but pregnant Anna, baby Jordyn, the little girls and boys? What was the point, especially with Mrs Bates being pregnant? It doesn't seem helpful---it seems inconsiderate to inconvenience her and make her so uncomfortable at the end of her pregnancy.

And two pg women with one bathroom? Not to mention the other 53 people? Anyone who has been pregnant will know what I mean, and you can't exactly squat in the grass when you are pregnant. I just don't understand why the whole family went, unless TLC pays for each on-camera member.

Anonymous said...

There was a pop-up about how there is someone in the bathroom every couple of minutes. What about those times when you need more than a minute or two to use the facilities?

If it were me (and I know that I have a greater need for privacy than the Duggars, Bateses, and Wilsons clearly do) I would check myself into a nearby hotel, just for purposes of having the necessary time alone in the bathroom and taking a shower.

Hopefully the job Jana did tiling was over quickly and they were able to have the use of their other bathrooms back soon!

I do think the renovation is a wonderful, generous, and much needed gift to the Bates Family, but there is no way I would be comfortable in a little bitty house with 55 people.

Our home is 1200 square feet and it feels cramped with 4 people!

Swissmiss said...

I have to agree with the person asking why all the younger kids needed to come. All they did was play and get dirty. They can do that at home.

I realize they want to show kids the work ethic and also train them, but that could wait until they are 8 or so.

jonandkatewho? said...

I'm probably going to get attacked for this but I think it was totally crazy for these people to all load up and then converge upon a heavily pregnant woman to do a surprise remodel of her home.

I'm not saying the Duggars aren't generous people; clearly they are and believe in helping their fellow man.

But I remember being pregnant, and I would have had more than a few meltdowns and probably been sort of pissed off at the lack of forethought and planning here. No pregnant woman needs that much company to spring themselves on her at such a time, and that is just too many people for the number of restrooms. Of course, I am a big privacy freak so it wouldn't have worked for me.

Hell, I would have moved out of my own house and gone to a hotel for the duration, lol.

Anonymous said...

I think I heard Gil Bates say that they have an outhouse as well.

Besides, I'm a college educated Bostonian (who is also 6 months pregnant, woohoo) but I grew up in Maine .... I have no problem peeing in the woods if need be! :)

Anonymous said...

I think they probably ARE staying in a hotel or somewhere instead of all being crammed into the Bates' tiny house. They probably do a few shots for the show with all the little kids and then come back later and work with the older kids and adults. I wouldn't fault them for this at all.

I wish we could see more of the Duggars doing normal things. When I watch stuff like this house remodel and having all those kids underfoot and supposedly sharing a bathroom with 50+ people, it just stresses me out, instead of amazing me like they usually do.

I realize it's a fine line to walk for the network, but continue showing the Duggars working at home and doing whatever they do and not the stress of trips they'd never take and jobs they couldn't pull off with all those kids in tow and it will stay interesting.

Anonymous said...

Whoever referred to the families living 'like trailerpark trash' was indeed harsh and unkind. Whatever the circumstances are, no need to be offensive and insulting on the families involved who are doing some friends a big favor with a badly needed home addition!!!

Anonymous said...

If the goal was to get the renovation done as efficiently as possible, there was no need to drag so many extra little kids along, to get underfoot, take up bathroom space, and infringe on Mrs. Bates, who was pregnant. It makes me wonder if it is TLC or Jim Bob who made that decision, but I think it was a bad one. Too many people, and far too much disruption. Plus, that is unnecessary for little kids to be running amuck in a construction site.

I always wonder about the Duggar routine or schedule, since it doesn't seem that they have one, despite the giant list of jurisdictions. They are always off and about, and when do they do school, etc? The little kids (and most of them, actually) would do best with more routine, since kids thrive on that. I would think Michelle would know that with 18 kids. I could not have survived their chaos and I only have a sixth as many kids.

Enough with the Multiples said...

Honestly, I must say that it would have made more sense to me if they would have begun the renovation a little sooner--say when Mrs. Bates was only 5 or 6 months pregnant and then had Mrs. Bates and some of her younger children come visit the Duggar house, allowing the younger Duggar children to also stay home. That would have then left Jim Bob and Gil and the teen/children that were most able to help working at the Bates House--more work getting done, less people needing to use the bathroom, etc. That to me would have been the more sensible thing to do. I completely agree that there was no point to Josh and Anna being there other than sucking up air time. Afterall, who was running the car lot??? With them home, Anna could have gone over to the Duggar house and helped Mrs. Duggar (as she calls her) and Mrs. Bates with the smaller children and their school studies. Would have been good practice and experience for Anna too.

kaekae said...

small point - since this was filmed around mother's day if they had done it when she was 5 to 6 months along it would have been the dead of winter. Also, didn't they get this idea because the Bates came and helped them after the ice storm - so they wouldn't have thought of it.
I would like to see more every day stuff (and more of the other kids - as long as there is plenty of Jackson. :D (Ok. I'm biased), but I think TLC thinks there will be more drama if they show the unusual stuff.
I also think they have a contract with TLC that says we will call you and let you know about noneveryday stuff we are doing so you can film it - as in wisdom teeth (ugh), reading to the kids at the PS etc etc

Anonymous said...

I would hazard to guess that the guys were using the great outdoors for a lot of their "business" This is a common practice in rural areas and for uncouth men in urban places. That leaves it to the ladies for the most part, many of whom wore diapers. This does not factor in the restroom on the bus. Since it was a situation that only lasted a short time I can't see why this is a issue.

Ms. B said...

"Enough with the Multiples said...
Honestly, I must say that it would have made more sense to me if they would have begun the renovation a little sooner--say when Mrs. Bates was only 5 or 6 months pregnant and then had Mrs. Bates and some of her younger children come visit the Duggar house, allowing the younger Duggar children to also stay home....That to me would have been the more sensible thing to do."

This may be true but then there would be those posters talking about "how sexist that kind of seperation is", and "why can't the girls or the young ones get those kinds of life experiences", etc...

Sometimes, you can't win either way. I just enjoy watching them, no matter what kind of decisions they make, thats why we all keep tuning in!

clanof9 said...

I'm surprised at the poster who said it doesn't seem like the Duggars have a routine. Sure, things are turned upside down when you're doing a huge remodeling project for friends, and during family trips. But on regular days, they appear to run a pretty tight ship. This is also detailed in their book.

Michelle, IMO, is a master at organizing that family's routine and activites. I am trying to take a page out of her book in that regard as well.

flowergirl said...

I wanna be a Duggar!!!

Liz said...

If TLC was going to send anybody to the beach during a remodeling job it should have been Mrs. Bates. As far as I can see she never had a meltdown of could not take the mess.

Willow #1 said...

I'm with you Flower Girl. I was close to tears through the whole show tonight - SO unlike our other multiple family. I think they took the little children with them because they all have so much fun together. I think they are enjoying each other so much that the hardships are not that important. I'm just guessing, however, but that is the vibe that comes across to me loud and clear, IMO. I am anxious to see the house when it is finished. It is starting to look really nice!!!

chocolatebee said...

I was just about in tears watching this episode.I loved to see the fellowship amongst the families and others that volunteered their time and services towards this project.Everyone impresses me with how resourceful they are.Everyone has a talent to lend to the project and I love that.Rebuilding someone's home is not a small undertaking.It is something that has to be done correctly and I think the Duggars,Wilsons,Bates and everyone else involved were right on the money with how they have handled the renovations.It's hard to understand how some people can be so overwhelmingly negative after viewing these last few episodes.

We all may have things that may bother us such as the fact that so many kids and two pregnant women were present at the site during all the work or how rude the Bates daughter Tori seems to be (this episode she called Jim Bob by his first name instead of Mr.Duggar;last episode she criticized the Duggar girls paint job)but overall I love what I have seen these last few episodes.I love the Duggars show as a whole.

I am glad Kelly Bates's due date mystery has been solved since she said her baby was due August 5th.Hopefully now everyone can let that rest and I hope both she and the new baby are doing well.

Johannah is so cute it makes me want to steal her away! It also seems that John David is more comfortable there in Tennessee than he is at home.I hope there is some truth to a courtship between he and one of the Bates' girls.He seemed in his element working on the home,which by the way looks magnificant.I myself have had my questions about JD but he is really a hardworking young man.I think he would do well managing a construction company with a beautiful wife by his side.

Anonymous said...

In one short term.. tonights episode was indeed a major blessing and a joy to watch. All at a great bargain too!!! Thanks..

Willow #1 said...

Let me add - The Duggar family and the Bates family (the ones that we have seen involved with building and remodeling etc) have shown real class as well as appreciation for what they have been given with love. Our other "friend" who is the mother of (less) multiples, should take note. They are what happy looks like.

Joanna said...

John David definitly seemed comfortable talking with the camera this time. He was confindent with what he was doing and what he was saying because he's been through all this constrution stuff before and seemed confinent with it.

I don't think I would have been brave enough to get on the roof and stick my head out of the opening on the roof. Mostly, I'm not comfortable on ladders because I don't feel secure on ladders. I don't blame Mrs. Wilson one bit.

lizz said...

I agree with flowergirl...
I WANT TO BE A DUGGAR TOO!

Anonymous said...

I think it's an extremely unselfish thing that the Duggars and Wilsons are doing. At first I did question them doing this with Mrs Bates at the end of her pregnancy; but as I understand it - this is her 16th or 17th pregnancy!! Surely by now, it's not a big deal to her to be 8 months pregnant and then having a newborn around - this is bordering on an everyday occurence for these families! I'm not trying to be condesending in anyway, just factual - while I'm sure every baby is celebrated as a unique blessing, it's old hat for all of these families by now.

As far as them bringing the smaller kids - why not? One of the things that drives me nuts about society is how everyone tends to see little kids as 'in the way.' How is playing outside with the other Bates kids 'in the way'? I think half the point of this project was to build on the addition for the Bates', the other half was to enjoy some good family and fellowship in the process.

pumkin said...

I loved this episode!

I think it goes to show that you don't necessarily need a pedigree or a college diploma to show that you have true "class". The Bates family and the Duggar family are definitely classy people in my book! So generous, loving, and grateful for the blessings and gifts bestowed upon them!

They don't see their children as annoyances or another mouth to feed, they see them as a Blessing from God. It's the same with this remodeling project - they don't see the hardships or frustrations, they look to God and are grateful for His blessings.

What a wonderful episode, showing true humility and acceptance of others. I was very moved by this episode. It must have been a big job to cook all those meals and do the "behind the scenes" work too, I am glad that there are so many willing hands who can work together.

CappuccinoLife said...

Hey, look at it this way, those kids are getting "socialized by their peers". Haven't we heard all about how the Duggars don't have any friends etc?

And the girls are getting to do something other than cleaning and cooking.

And they're passing along some of their good fortune.

And both families are demonstrating graciousness and the appropriate way to relate to others even in uncomfortable/cramped situations.

I can't see much to complain about, actually.

Grace said...

I think the reason the whole Duggar clan came along was because they went straight from Pigeon Forge to the Bates house. Job Bob said they were going to be gone for a month on the packing episode.

nccalgal said...

Again, TLC had the "pop-up" stating the original size of the Bates' house was 1000 sqft. I am wondering if they were referring to the size of the foundation rather than the living space. I agree there had to be more living space than that.
Seeing these episodes brought back memories when we would vacation with several of my aunts' and uncles' families. The boys slept in a big tent outside, the girls on the floors around the beds where the adults slept. Then there were others who came for a day here and there. It was chaos, but we sure had a good time.

BoyMom said...

"since this was filmed around mother's day if they had done it when she was 5 to 6 months along it would have been the dead of winter."
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Isn't Mother's Day in May?! Here in the southern states, it's already getting pretty warm around that time of year.

I liked tonight's episode based on the fact that they were continuing to help others with no apparent gain for themselves. The Duggars saw a true need in another family; they didn't walk into a Ronald McDonald House, camera crews in tow, hand them a blurred out check, and claim themselves to be charitable. The Duggars have taken on a huge job, built something with their own hands, and used their recognizable name to benefit someone else. It was amazing!

Joanna said...

I really loved Johanna in this ep. Well, I also love her, but she was just stealing the show. And so cute how she said that the dog dosen't talk, he says "arf, arf". Too cute!

Anonymous said...

I have to give the Duggars credit. They and their family are a world apart from the Gosslins. I have not watched much of Jon and Kate plus Eight, but I do catch the tail end of the program just before the Duggars come on. I see a lot less family fighting and more family unity on 18 and Counting. I do not agree with the Duggar's religous beliefs, but it seems to be working for them. They are teaching their children good moral values, reponsibility and thrift, as well as a strong work ethic. They are also showing them that they are members of a human community and to be of help to those in need. From what little I have seen, the Gosselins may be able to benefit from their example.

Well-Deserved Renovation said...

I have been enjoying watching these episodes, as it is always fun to see the Bates and Duggars get together.

Now this is a renovation that is clearly needed and well-deserved! And not just given to get promotion for a company. Just neighbors seeing neighbors in need and doing something about it. We can all learn something from this. And the Bates were so genuinely grateful.

TLC, this is the kind of stuff that we want to see. People who are in need getting a helping hand; not people with a huge sense of entitlement and plenty of money in the bank being given things that they can pay for themselves.

Swissmiss said...

Last night's scenes of the men raising the framework reminded me of the barn-raising scene from the movie, "The Witness."

They sure seem to have been lucky on the weather. Can you imagine being stuck inside with all those people if it rained?

Not every worker was wearing safety glasses.

If, as another blogger thought, some of the workers might be staying at a hotel, they need to be honest about that. Or maybe I just missed that statement. I would not think any less of them.

They have made a tremendous donation of time to another family.

Such a difference in the attitude between the Bates family and the family in Penn. Mrs. Bates was trilled to visit the store offering slightly-less-than-perfect merchandise. Can you imagine the reaction of the Penn. mother of multiples? Everything brand-new for HER.

Kateisashrew said...

You could tell both the Bates were overwhelmed at being given what to many people is an ordinary but dressy front door. That is so much more refreshing than the snide, nasty attitude of the recipient of the shrew of PA. I love the Bates and I'm impressed with the Duggars who aren't spreading the wealth among family and friends (again unlike the shrew.)

Anonymous said...

I think that Kelly Bates was obviously so overjoyed by the generosity and kindness of their friends in undertaking what ended up being a massive renovation of their home that it never entered her mind to be the least upset about them all being there during her pregnancy. She seems very easy going and low key and seemed to take it all in stride.

I also don't see any problem with the little kids being around to just enjoy being little kids with their friends and siblings. It all seems to go back to simpler times when families genuinely helped one another and didn't do it for any reason other than that their friends needed help and that they could work shoulder to shoulder to with them to get things done.

It's so refreshing to see families enjoying each other and helping out others along the way. It looked like they all had a great time in spite of all the hard work that went into the project.

The episodes about the renovation have been very heartwarming and brought tears to my eyes.

I love that the Duggars truly live their religious convictions. In my opinion, God is very pleased when we live our convictions in our everyday lives and don't leave them behind in church on Sunday.

Dafiloola said...

I for one would have loved to have friends visit when I was 8 months along... even without a suprise house makeover. In fact we went to a wedding 10 hours away when I was 8 months and the drive was horrible... I really enjoyed it but my body suffered. Why would you send Mrs. Bates away from her home with the little kids to someone elses house with a bunch of little kids! THAT would be stressful!!! This way she didn't have to travel, she had a WONDERFUL suprise and there was more young women to help with food and cleaning not to mention that haveing the little kids there occupide her little kids. BTW, trailer trash would be having a home falling apart and NOT caring what it looked like much less cleaning it... Deffinitly not the Bates. A humble home does not equal a trashey home.

Anonymous said...

Now for another opinion...while the Duggars and the Wilsons certainly were generous with their time and skills, I have to wonder what the rest of the contractors (electrical, cement layer) got out of the deal. Really, how many of us could get a contractor to do a job for free just because we have a large number of kids & have outgrown our house? Even if it was a friend of mine, I'd feel guilty not paying them a little something. I think they wanted some free publicity (it must be in the news there) and to get on t.v.

mama4 said...

Nothing wrong with the whole family being there. My concern is the safety of all the little ones tho. They seem to be getting into everything with little adult supervision (sorry, cameramen do not count). Climbing the rafters and sticking heads thru the roof was a bit out there. They also seem to be awful close to some of that heavy equipment.

nccalgal said...

In reply to Anonymous-JB said that they did pay $400+ for the concrete finishing. They have mentioned JB's "negotiating skills" in the past, so I hope that anyone who did donate their time and labor did so willingly and not because JB pressured them to do so. I noticed that Mrs. Bates asked what the different cabinets would cost, not wanting to jump for the most expensive, like a cetain mother of multiples would have done convinced she's entitled to it. I do believe all of these families are genuine and what we see is what they are. I find that very refreshing.

Anonymous said...

Safety of the children should be of utmost importance. Whether it is riding without seatbelts, or all these massive construction projects without proper safety precautions (large machines, climbing and sticking heads through the roof, wires, nail guns, live electricity, etc, and no safety glasses, gogglces, or protective wear), not to mention Michelle pushing the bus while holding her baby, I have to wonder about this family.

Protecting their safety should be more important than anything. I am surprised that they take this so lightly.

BoyMom said...

"I have to wonder what the rest of the contractors (electrical, cement layer) got out of the deal. Really, how many of us could get a contractor to do a job for free just because we have a large number of kids & have outgrown our house? Even if it was a friend of mine, I'd feel guilty not paying them a little something."

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Haven't you ever done anything for another person just for the simple fact that you see a need and can help out? Those contractors got the satisfaction of helping someone in need by utilizing their unique sets of skills. They got that warm feeling you get after you do volunteer work knowing that you have helped someone else. And maybe the Bates or Duggars did offer to pay but they refused it. Maybe the companies showed up and specifically said they were there to help for free. It's what I would have done.

Anonymous said...

Sure I volunteer my time in several ways, but my point was that I don't get my face front & center on TLC when doing so. I sure wish the roofer I had out last year would have had that same generous spirit and replaced our roof without charging for labor, just because there was a need (it was old) and he had the skills to do the job.

Jinger Rocks said...

So...what about John-David and Joseph staying on at the Bates' to "keep working on the house". I smell a courtship!

Grace said...

I think what they did was great. I think the fact that they included the WHOLE family was great. Sure, it made things more chaotic and difficult. But I like the fact that the Duggars actually practice what they preach. They claim that children are not a burden, and they live by that. I can respect them, even if they seem a little crazy sometimes.

Enough with the Multiples said...

To clarify my early comment...Apparently Mrs. Bates was not as far along as they earlier implied ("she's due any day") since at the end of the episode they clarified that she wasn't due to August. So they did actually start the project earlier than I origionally thought.

Also, by suggesting that not everyone go, I wasn't suggesting that the girls stay home and the boys go. By all means, Jana seemed to know what she was doing with that tile. I was simply stating that it would have made made more sense to have the pregnant women and small children away from the construction zone and back at the Duggar house.

Lastly, the only thing this episode was missing for real drama would have been to throw Kate Gosselin's lazy selfish rear end into the project and let her learn what it actually means to give back. Now that would have been a must see episode:)

Beach Lover said...

Huge hearted of the D's to do this for another family. No question of that. Huger (is that a word?) hearted of them would've been to also get port-a-potties for themselves and others to use during construction. They just aren't that expensive and are delivered and emptied by the company.

While both these women seem to feel just fine during all their pregnancies, I simply can not relate to all the confusion and still feeling good. Staying cool and having things calm is always good for mom or mom-to-be. Why couldn't they have air-cooled tents or something for the D's while they were there?

Trailer trash? I don't think so. Now Kate Gosselin is trailer trash even with her 15 (I exagerate of course) bathrooms.

Beach Lover said...

I also meant to mention how much both families seem to adore their children...all of them...and want them around not just as props, but as human beings they've brought into this world and are lucky to have and lucky to get to teach.

No trips, toys or nannies in the world can make up for the love of parents, sibs and extended family and friends.

escrowmama said...

My only thought watching this last episode was Man oh Man would OSHA have a field day with this construction site. Espescially the guys on that 3 story roof. Not one of them is in a harness. It kind of made me feel sick to my stomach just watching them.

Anonymous said...

i usually enjoy this place, because the posts don't make me feel ashamed or in need of a scrubbing and a dose of cod liver oil for reading them. even the criticism is generally gentle and kind.

yet some use their praise of this family to revile another.

the duggars don't.

i like that about them. it's one of the things that makes them better than me.

Anonymous said...

"yet some use their praise of this family to revile another.

the duggars don't.

i like that about them. it's one of the things that makes them better than me."

AMEN!

Anonymous said...

Something to remember... things are sometimes done different in the south! I don't find it odd at all to have kids around a construction site or to have people volunteer to help out with projects. I find it "southern" and good!

Anonymous said...

First off Im surprised at all the negativity people have with the duggar family. This is how a family should be, loving to each other, respect, kindness, affectionate, thoughfull, patient and many more. Unfortunately society has and television portrays familys without those virtues and its sad. TLC doesn't dictate there show as mentioned in the first season. Also unlike John and Kate they only film less than 20 episodes a year and they dont live with the family. There education is taught inside and outside the home and in the early episodes they said its important to learn by doing and seeing. Fellowship is important to them and teaching that to all their children is important so all activities are done with the whole family which is the way it should be. They don't get free trips cause they pay for everything that they do because they don't believe in handouts. I think there is alot of jealousy about the duggars cause there life doesn't compare. They teach family is the most important thing to have. These children are gratefull for everything they have. They also were debt free before they were on tv and started out early on controlling there finances which is possible in this world. Unfortunately with credit available people want more than they can afford and can't imagine not living without it and being happy with what they have. They don't use public assistance of any kind and both Jim and Michelle are college educated. Josh and anna both have college degrees. If you just watch the show once you never get the whole story about the duggars. You really need to see it from the start and also read there book. All Josh is not a bad husband. He is a jokester and jokes with his wife like the comment about the bradley exercises. Did you notice he was helping her with the exercises. He is very supportive and telling the whole kissing story is not saying too much explicity. If you find that offensive then I would ask do you watch television? I like how all the family joins together to help each other. That is how a family should be. So many familys don't even eat dinner together, teenagers on there cell phone all the time, disrespecting there elders, parents, teachers, and have the mentalilty that there owed something. I wish tv would have more shows like the duggars with there values. So please stop nitpicking everything that the duggars do. They don't exploit there children cause the cameras are not always there. Also the comments about children taking care of there siblings. Every family that has more than one child helps raise the other child. If you ever asked you son or daughter to babysit or look after the younger one that is raising. Plus the family enjoys helping out because that is what family's are supposed to do. Children are not meant to play all the time. They need responsibilitys so they can take care of there familys. Also the girls if you look on the tlc website and from interviews don't want to be just homemakers. They want to go to college and be a nurse, midwife, missionaries and other career. Also the boys want a college education and sucessfull careers. These kids are probably more educated than any child in a public or possibly private school. All of the older children finish there education around 16. Then they pursue college education. This is a family that everyone should learn from. This is how family's should be. They believe marriage is sacred and not something that you dispose of when your tired of it like john and kate. So please before you make a comment make sure you research you question before making assumptions. And yes a family can live debt free (even with 18 children)and with good moral and religious values.

LauraB said...

"I have to wonder what the rest of the contractors (electrical, cement layer) got out of the deal. Really, how many of us could get a contractor to do a job for free just because we have a large number of kids & have outgrown our house? Even if it was a friend of mine, I'd feel guilty not paying them a little something."

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I too wonder about this especially in the economic state we are in. I am sure that they must be getting a lot of publicity in their town, or comp'ed in someway. Although I am sure that they would love to be able to just do it for a family in need without financial gain, but their family and business has to survive as well. I am not trying to imply that this would have been the only reason that they did the project, but it would have made taking on the project more beneficial. There is no way the contractors would be able to give up paying jobs to take on a non paying job of this magnitude, not in todays situation. JMO.

Anonymous said...

"i like that about them. it's one of the things that makes them better than me."

But, probably not better at Trivial Pursuit or Jeopardy.

Anonymous said...

The Duggars show us family has it was years ago. They stay away from the fast paced, frenzied way of life today's world. There are pros anc cons to that,of course, but that's true with all lifestyles.

One of the things that impresses me is that even with all the tv cameras around them they seem to stay grounded, though Josh and Josiah sometimes grate on my nerves. Although I'm sure they make good money off the show, they aren't extravagant, and seem to remain genuinely nice people.

Genevieve said...

I watched part of this eppie just last night ( must be a rerun), and I was laughing out loud when a commercial for all things....birth control pills!! came on!!! omg! It was so funny! lmao

I like these folks. They come across as nice people in general. But I'm hoping that all these trips and such aren't going the same route as J&K+8. Hopefully they'll put the brakes on the production people before they go crazy on them lol

strangeforsure said...

Long time lurker, first time poster.
Towards the end of the show, when they were in that warehouse picking out items for the house, didn't Jim Bob say that a particular item was out of the price range for the Bates' budget? Led me to believe that not everything was just given to them.

Anonymous said...

I would guess that TLC picked up the tab for some of the renovation work in exchange for making sure all the rugrats were at the homesite. At this point I am sure Jim Bob is doing everything TLC tells him to do.

NancyN said...

Anonymous 4:17 - Agree that the Duggars seem like nice people. Disagree with much of the rest of your post. For the record - I do not believe that the Duggar parents have college educations. Personally, I don't think everyone needs a college education but it would certainly be helpful to be highly educated if one is almost the only source of information for 18 children.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said..

"So please before you make a comment make sure you research your question before making assumptions."

"Jim and Michelle are college educated. Josh and Anna both have college degrees."

Anna is the only one with a degree. Maybe you should take some of your own advice!

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know if Mrs. Bates had the baby yet, and what it was?

ANNA said...

Anna has a college degree? Isn't she just 20?

Anonymous said...

She "graduated" from homeschooling at 16. It's my understanding that she did online coursework, as is common with homeschoolers, and got a BA in Christian Education. I work for a state Board of Education and know that in most states the degree would not be recognized in the "secular" world as a valid education degree, so to speak, but would have some validity in private schools or other Christian or homeschool settings.

Joanna said...

Anonymous said...
Does anyone know if Mrs. Bates had the baby yet, and what it was?

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Callie Anna-Rose Bates was born "around" the 1st of August. Amy posted it on her Facebook page.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Is there a web site in which they have pictures of the Bates' house finished? I am not sure if they are goint to have any more episodews on the house so I wonder if there are pictures online. If so what is the web address. Link please.

Anonymous said...

Neither JB or M have college degrees [Washington Times, 9/21/08 http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/21/17-and-counting-in-duggar-classes/] Josh has a GED and mentioned plans for law school through online courses [Dallas Morning News, 12/19/05, http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/121805dntexbigfamily.2bb5559.html]

Online law school, hmmmm. I wonder if there is an LSAT score requirement? If not, they usually require ~60 college-level semester hours and CLEP exam scores.
Given this, he better get crackin' - as in books and grown-up schooling. In addition to saving $$ to buy a NEW test prep book, pay test fees, get to the testing site ON TIME, pay the application fee, tuition & other fees, books, etc. Not to mention, carving out time from the car business to study, care for the baby, pay the internet fees, mortgage, food, utility bills, etc.

If J&A can accomplish this, then there is the bar exam. That is if he wants something more than JD after his mane, eg., some professional street cred for a later bid in politics. Somehow, I don't think it's going to happen anytime soon.

Home schooled as he was, neither his writing [keeping a journal is not the same as topic definition, research, and argument development, culminating in a tight defensible conclusion] nor critical thinking skills [I suspect the ATI home school curriculum used, neither introduced or encouraged exploration of competing viewpoints in an unbiased way, eg., the conservative Christian view always won] are up to par. Both are essential to a competent attorney.

Maybe he's hoping for an internship at the C Street house in DC? If so, there's a fair number of men ahead of J, with better credentials & connections, who will eat him alive and think nothing of it. GOOD LUCK.

Shawna said...

As for Josh and law school.. I am assuming that this is the online degree program he was thinking about doing

http://ati.iblp.org/ati/students/opportunities/obcl/

There is also a 'midwife' program within the ATI curriculum, among various other things. I think I heard once that many of the girls were thinking about doing this. It is my guess that the only way these kids will pursue higher education is if it is offered by ATI. That would keep them from having to compete educationally in a secular world. How convenient.

Anonymous said...

The Duggar family has chosen their way of life to reflect their beliefs. Why dont you save the sarcastic remarks and comments for those who choose to live in what you call the 'real world?'

Anonymous said...

Shawna 18/15/09 provided a link to The Oak Brook College of Law and Government Policy . It is currently NOT accredited by the American Bar Association - as is the case, currently, with all online law schools. See Oak Brook's statement concerning accreditation:

http://www.obcl.edu/index.php/faq-main/faq-general/132-will-the-oak-brook-college-become-certified-by-the-american-bar-association-in-the-future

IMO, studying law through such a program would be an utter waste of time, money and effort. Don't be a dope and buy the snake oil they're selling, J.

NancyN said...

anonymous 8:16
The Duggars have chosen to display their lives on TV for money. This opens them up to comments. Because this is not an official Duggar "fan board", it is logical that people will use it to discuss their opinions of the family (obht positive and negative)

Anonymous said...

I have been watching the Duggars since the show started but have just found this site. I was wondering...why is Cousin Amy always on the show?? My family just does NOT like her. The rest of the Duggars are fine and we enjoy them so much. Has anyone else ever said this or is it just my group?? Just wondering...

Anonymous said...

Accreditation is a big issue that anyone looking to get a degree would be wise to pay serious attention to. A degree from a non-accredited school, or a school whose accreditatin is on shaking standing, is for all intents and purposes a worthless degree.

Swissmiss said...

Count me in as another person who does not enjoy Cousin Amy horning in.

That got old very fast.

Anonymous said...

The Duggars are not educated. Just read Josh's website, and you will see endless grammatical and semantic errors. Michelle did not go to college, and neither did Josh. Anna's "post high school education" is not like a regular college education.

A lot of homeschoolers are very well educated, but this family is not one of them.

Anonymous said...

Enough with the Multiples said...
Honestly, I must say that it would have made more sense to me if they would have begun the renovation a little sooner--say when Mrs. Bates was only 5 or 6 months pregnant and then had Mrs. Bates and some of her younger children come visit the Duggar house, allowing the younger Duggar children to also stay home. That would have then left Jim Bob and Gil and the teen/children that were most able to help working at the Bates House--more work getting done, less people needing to use the bathroom, etc. That to me would have been the more sensible thing to do. I completely agree that there was no point to Josh and Anna being there other than sucking up air time. Afterall, who was running the car lot??? With them home, Anna could have gone over to the Duggar house and helped Mrs. Duggar (as she calls her) and Mrs. Bates with the smaller children and their school studies. Would have been good practice and experience for Anna too
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ABSOLUTELY AGREE!! I think they mean well, but they seem to jump on ideas without thinking them through completely.

Anonymous said...

I shouldn't be surprised, but I am.
This is sad. So, once you have kids ... you're stuck.

"Single, adult women or women with grown children may apply for the Midwifery program. Due to the time required in completing these studies, we feel that mothers with younger children would not find the course schedule to harmonize with the priorities of family needs."

leeroy said...

Anonymous said...
Enough with the Multiples said...
Honestly, I must say that it would have made more sense to me if they would have begun the renovation a little sooner--say when Mrs. Bates was only 5 or 6 months pregnant and then had Mrs. Bates and some of her younger children come visit the Duggar house, allowing the younger Duggar children to also stay home. That would have then left Jim Bob and Gil and the teen/children that were most able to help working at the Bates House--more work getting done, less people needing to use the bathroom, etc. That to me would have been the more sensible thing to do. I completely agree that there was no point to Josh and Anna being there other than sucking up air time. Afterall, who was running the car lot??? With them home, Anna could have gone over to the Duggar house and helped Mrs. Duggar (as she calls her) and Mrs. Bates with the smaller children and their school studies. Would have been good practice and experience for Anna too
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ABSOLUTELY AGREE!! I think they mean well, but they seem to jump on ideas without thinking them through completely.
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When Mrs. Bates was 5 or 6 months pregnant it would have been winter..

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

I shouldn't be surprised, but I am.
This is sad. So, once you have kids ... you're stuck.

"Single, adult women or women with grown children may apply for the Midwifery program. Due to the time required in completing these studies, we feel that mothers with younger children would not find the course schedule to harmonize with the priorities of family needs."

Not only is this incredibly sad, it's discrimination against women with children. It should be the decision of the student whether or not her personal life will allow her to commit the necessary time to the program, not the decision of the educational institution.

My mom went back to school while raising three small children and working full-time and I am incredibly grateful that she did. My mom was (and still is) a fantastic mother who always made her family her #1 priority. She was able to work, go to school, and still be committed to her family because she was incredibly hard-working, passionate about everything she was doing, and supported by my dad. I learned so much from watching my mom go back to school. She taught me about the importance education, hard work, and always doing your best, not through lip service, but by modeling these practices to me. I have so much respect for my mom, who never neglected her role as wife and mother. I know that my mom went back to school to better our family. When I say "better our family" I don't mean she was able to buy use a bunch of unnecessary stuff. My dad is a farmer and when my siblings and I were young, farmers all over the country were going bankrupt and losing everything, due to the market and through no fault of their own. My mom going back to school enabled my parents to be able to provide for us without the constant stress of whether or not they would be able to pay the electric bill this month, or if they would be able to pay for the orthodontics we desperately needed.

Shame on ATI, for denying women with children access to education.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

"has left a new comment on the post "Tuesday, August 11, Duggars on a Deadline":

Anonymous said...
Enough with the Multiples said...
Honestly, I must say that it would have made more sense to me if they would have begun the renovation a little sooner--say when Mrs. Bates was only 5 or 6 months pregnant and then had Mrs. Bates and some of her younger children come visit the Duggar house, allowing the younger Duggar children to also stay home. That would have then left Jim Bob and Gil and the teen/children that were most able to help working at the Bates House--more work getting done, less people needing to use the bathroom, etc. That to me would have been the more sensible thing to do. I completely agree that there was no point to Josh and Anna being there other than sucking up air time. Afterall, who was running the car lot??? With them home, Anna could have gone over to the Duggar house and helped Mrs. Duggar (as she calls her) and Mrs. Bates with the smaller children and their school studies. Would have been good practice and experience for Anna too
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ABSOLUTELY AGREE!! I think they mean well, but they seem to jump on ideas without thinking them through completely.
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When Mrs. Bates was 5 or 6 months pregnant it would have been winter.."

Who are we to say WHEN was the best time for the family to have helped the Bates or WHO should have been there or stayed behind? Do we not live in a free society in which each family makes these decisions?

Anonymous said...

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Who are we to say WHEN was the best time for the family to have helped the Bates or WHO should have been there or stayed behind? Do we not live in a free society in which each family makes these decisions?
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We are the same people that our parents and grandparents were when they observed their neighbors taking on such projects in their own backyards. Even moreso because these families chose to put their lives on display for all to see. This is entertainment, a semi-scripted "reality" show that provides watercooler talk at work or on the web.

Anonymous said...

The Duggars did not remain at the Bateses' home for the duration of the construction. The Staddon family arrived at the Bateses' home in the beginning of June, eleven days into the construction process, and the Duggars, with the exception of JD, WERE NO LONGER THERE. Looking at the photos on the Staddon's website, it appears that this family did the framing on the addition. The Duggars were most likely left to film the DC, OH, PA episodes for TLC. The Duggars were in DC in the beginning of June. Most likely the Duggars returned to TN to tape the second segment of the Bates home redo, since by then the framing and roof on the addition was already done. I also read an article posted on 7/9/09 that stated that the Duggars had returned to ARK, and JD remained behind in TN. In that article, it was stated that the electrical system for the addition had yet to be completed. Perhaps now the addition is complete, who knows.

Beach Lover said...

I assume that when I mentioned the G-parents negatively here as compared with the Duggars, someone took offense. To me the contrast between the two families and their styles is so overpowering that I could not let it slide when another poster insinuated that the D's were trailer trash. I responded that to me, and I don't use that expression, K.G. was more TT than anyone else.

The Duggars are wonderful people as we've seen on their show. So far I haven't glimpsed what I think is child exploitation there. But I must admit that their young children don't have a choice about whether to be filmed or not. The Duggars don't allow filming (or their production team doesn't) of the kids in the shower, bathroom, having fits, being sick, etc., like the previously mentioned show does. I guess that is why I can bear to watch it and enjoy it.

As far as the law degree link mentioned here, as a lawyer who graduated from W&M in VA, I would not advise anyone to hand over money for this course. In my opinion there are very few people who have not completed college who can study for the bar and pass it. Law schools are getting even more selective in their admissions.

Ask any lawyer and they will tell you that passing the bar was not a piece of cake.

Anonymous said...

I can take the show, the premise, everything, EXCEPT cousin Amy. You can see she is just chasing around her 15 minutes of fame and is sooooo disrespectful. When will TLC learn?

bethany said...

was cousin amy on this show? i didn't see her. who is her mother and father? is she a only child is that why she hangs out at the duggars? will she be on the next episode?

Anonymous said...

I hope that there are laws in Ark. to ensure that a portion of the Duggars earnings go into trust for their children. It would be a shame if the children's earnings were going to help the Bates instead of putting new shoes on their feet.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

What is wrong with using some of their money to help the Bates. Life is not all about oneself. If they wish to share their earnings more power to them. It seems whatever they do they will be critized. If they did NOT help the Bates and kept all of the money for themselves they would find someone making comments on that as well. I am glad they are free to do what they wish to do with the money they earn through the TLC contracts.

Anonymous said...

We know that the children's earnings, if there are any, are not being put into college accounts, since the kids aren't allowed to go to college.

Beach Lover said...

The kids can not go to college? Why not? Once each reaches the age of 18, they will be able to make that choice for themselves and if they have money put aside for each child from the show...

Is a particular religion thing?

What could be the rationale for not letting them attend college if they want to go?

nccalgal said...

I don't think it's a matter of absolutely no college, I think it's a matter of keeping them from publicly run and liberal leaning colleges that go against their conservative values. Just because it's listed as a Christian college, doesn't mean it would pass muster with them. These types of colleges usually offer a narrow choice of majors that are more focused on ministry and service to others.

Anonymous said...

If they children go to college the parents will lose control of the child in college- if he/she moves away. They might kiss or even *gasp* hug another member of the other sex. They have to get married and have lots and lots of children to be successful. There is no time for higher education when you are raising 10 plus children and pregnant again. Sad situation.

Popsicle said...

Well said, Anonymous 8/15 11:24 a.m.!!! I fell out of my chair, laughing, when I saw that someone thinks Josh has a college degree! All he has is a GED from the School of the Dining Room Table and even the quality of that education is suspect! Anna's "degree" is also questionable in my mind because no one ever seems to be able to pin down any specifics on the degree and whether or not the "institution" is accredited. How in the world could you do even an online law program without an undergraduate degree? Law school is unbelievably competitive and they only take the cream of the crop. This is just another example of how the Duggars are completely out of touch with the real world. Josh, take some classes at the community college and go from there!

Just a reminder, Erin Bates said she had a music scholarship opportunity at University of Tennessee, but if I remember correctly, her father would not let her take it. Shame on them!

Anonymous said...

It's unfortunate that Ma and Pa Duggar choose to limit their children's lives so much that they won't even allow them to further their education. The best those kids can hope for is being a brood mare for their own litter of children, or work in a used car lot.

Josh will never go to law school, Jana will never be a midwife, and John David won't be a pilot. And Erin Bates won't get to go to music school, even though she was offered a scholarship. All of these dreams, dashed, because these families will not allow their children to be influenced by anyone outside of their very narrow views.

It is so sad!

Grace said...

"All of these dreams, dashed, because these families will not allow their children to be influenced by anyone outside of their very narrow views."

I agree totally. It's not about college, education, money etc. It's about control. And letting them GO anywhere that isn't supervised by mom and dad = no control. It seems that the only extended education opportunity that is Duggar-approved is of the online variety. To me, that's a shame. There's NO room for independence, ever. You either get married or live with mom & dad. I think if Jim Bob and Michelle would just loosen the reigns a bit, they would see what GREAT kids they have raised.

I think Mrs. Bates said it best. There was an episode in which she was interviewed, and she said something like, "Children are like plants. There's a time for sheltering, and then there's a time to let them out into the environment to grow."

Anonymous said...

I know Jim Bob has said publicly that the kids can go to college if they want too, but I'll bet behind the scenes is a different matter. I can't help but think if the kids felt like they could really go to college or a trade school that one of the older ones would have explored these options. Michelle and JB have talked so much about the secular world that their kids are not going to be able venture farther than their own Quiverful marriage and subsequent large brood. Sad!

Anonymous said...

Too bad Mrs. Bates doesn't practice what she preaches! She and Gil haven't allowed Erin to go to college (and it isn't a financial consideration, since she was offered a full scholarship). The oldest son Zack still lives at home too. I wish they would "let them out into the environment to grow"!

I'd like to see any of these young adults out beginning their lives, exploring their own interests and choices, instead of continuing to take care of their siblings and do house chores.

nccalgal said...

I think birds have the right solution, push them out of the nest and force them to fly. With the way these kids have been brought up to view the outside world, they may be afraid to step out. I think a parent needs to make their children aware of the potential traps out in the world, and prepare them to make good decisions, but at some point, you just have to let them step out into that cold, cruel world.
As far as Erin Bates and the music scholarship, was it said that it was a full scholarship? My son won several scholarships, but they were all small amounts. If this was the case with Erin, the actual cost for the Bates would have been enough reason to turn it down.

Shari said...

Whether you condone the Duggars lifestyle or not, you have to agree that they're a breath of fresh air compared to the fools + 8.

Does anyone know whether the Bates house was completed and will they be showing an episode where they reveal the finished product and catch up with the Bates Family? I'd love to see the big addition and hear all the details of the new little addition, too :)

Karen said...

Are we going to be able to see the "finished" version of the Bates home? The renovations began in May - Mothers Day. I am anxious to see the finished addition.

Anonymous said...

Long time reader, first time poster. While I have always thought the Duggars are a very close and loving family with good wholesome values, some days I find myself getting more annoyed with them than enjoying their show like I used to. They seem to be getting that all too familiar "special treatment" another family on TLC gets. Special invitations to events, national attractions, special tours etc. It seems as though if you have a lot of kids nowadays, you are special and get to move to the head of the line. The Duggar kids seem brainwashed, they don't have an opinion of their own, and seem to repeat the phrases they've heard their parents drum into their heads all their lives. We give our kids chores to do, it's a part of growing up and supporting our family. But cranking out a baby every few months and passing it off to an older sibling to raise is totally unfair. Her older kids are literally saddled with infants. Michelle has it easy, pop a baby, pass it on. Repeat. Those kids should be furthering their education or working, not saddled with infants and chores from sun up to sun down. Those kids are being held like hostages. They have no life. The girls look like they have to stay home and wait for a boy to come knocking. I feel for them. I think it's great to travel the country, we do it, and the educational experience is priceless. But my children go to school and have friends from all different backgrounds and are experiencing real life in the good old USA. The Duggar girls especially look incredibly unhappy and bored with life. I've had enough of Josh and Anna's immature behavior as well. When she said she was disappointed that she wasn't pregnant after 4 months I about dropped my teeth. That immature attitude speaks volumes. Does she have any idea that many women try for years to get pregnant without success? She is very lucky she got pregnant so fast. Those 2 are so full of themselves it's not even funny. She's Josh's little puppet and I hope she someday realizes how goofy she comes off. They look and act like a couple of immature middle schoolers who can't keep their hands off each other. For such strict "wait till the wedding" type people, they sure don't mind showing it off in front of the camera. Gag us all. Michelle needs to face facts and realize her risks of another pregnancy. She's in a huge state of denial about the risks at her age. She's in love with being pregnant. Pretty soon she'll have to hand off the new baby to a 4 year old to raise. For a couple who don't let their children watch tv, I find it funny that they don't mind stepping in front of the camera to rake in some dough. I'm so over these families. It's getting really old. I'm over watching these families go to the dentist, hang new blinds or lay tile. Funny, I do all of that and even I don't find it one bit exciting, nor would I expect the country to tune in either. TLC, The Lame Channel is scraping the bottom of the barrel for show ideas and I'm moving on to find a network that won't insult my intelligence. It's been nice.

A Mom-ynous said...

I always wonder about the Duggar routine or schedule, since it doesn't seem that they have one, despite the giant list of jurisdictions. They are always off and about, and when do they do school, etc? The little kids (and most of them, actually) would do best with more routine, since kids thrive on that. I would think Michelle would know that with 18 kids. I could not have survived their chaos and I only have a sixth as many kids.

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From my homeschooling community knowledge, the scheduling system they use is Keepers at Home (I think) and on one episode, Michelle referred to the chart. She says that it is there goal to follow that schedule, but they hardly ever follow it precisely. But they at least no where they are headed for the day.

Also--the Duggars doe not formally school over the summer and were likely completed with their school year prior to this trip.

I know that we purpose to conclude our year by early May and do that feasibly with a school year not commencing until labor day.

For now--our school is based on a 30 week lesson plan.

In a recent episode, it was mentioned that the (older) children do an on-line program (I think it was Switched on School house). While I am not familiar with the program completely, it is a computer based program where many if not all lessons take place on the computer. Several in my group have used this and have been pleased with it.

A Mom-ynous said...

My only thought watching this last episode was Man oh Man would OSHA have a field day with this construction site. Espescially the guys on that 3 story roof. Not one of them is in a harness. It kind of made me feel sick to my stomach just watching them

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The families were mostly doing their own work. OSHA would not have jurisdiction on private property.

Now the contractors coming in and their workers--absolutely.

But the people I saw were a Bates or a Duggar and OSHA would not have jurisdiction at all.

I could try to cut wires with the power on--I'd be stupid, but OSHA won't come to find out why my idiot self did that.

Anonymous said...

For the record - I do not believe that the Duggar parents have college educations. Personally, I don't think everyone needs a college education but it would certainly be helpful to be highly educated if one is almost the only source of information for 18 children.

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One does not need a college education in order to find good resources for information.

There are plenty of successful homeschooling families where one or both parents just completed high school while their kids went on to college.

It is actually pretty ignorant to post what you did considering when one goes to college, one focuses in a particular degree area.

A Mom-ynous said...

The Duggars are not educated. Just read Josh's website, and you will see endless grammatical and semantic errors. Michelle did not go to college, and neither did Josh. Anna's "post high school education" is not like a regular college education.

A lot of homeschoolers are very well educated, but this family is not one of them.


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I haven't read Josh's site. However, I will note that there are plenty of college graduated folks from accredited institutions who can't write worth crap.

A Mom-ynous said...

It would be a shame if the children's earnings were going to help the Bates instead of putting new shoes on their feet

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There is no law requiring brand new shoes on anyone's feet in this country.

It is not child abuse to be thrifty.

(And I refuse to buy used shoes myself.)

A Mom-ynous said...

For folks harping on the poor education of the Duggars, this blog is full of posts with errors.