Tues, December 1, A Mountain of Duggars

The Duggars are getting into the fall festivities with a trip to Asheville, NC. Watch as the biggest family visits the biggest house in the U.S., the Biltmore Estate, where they check out the fall foliage and pick apples in a nearby orchard.

30 minutes

100 comments:

Anonymous said...

Does this family ever stay home? Should we just call them the "Traveling Duggars"? That is not a normal life, and not "reality"!

Remember that the "G" family also had a lot of TLC paid for trips, before their demise. Not a good road to go down, IMO.

Whitney said...

I don't know man. These trips seem too spread apart to be able to explain them away with 'They just happened to be driving through the area.'

Im_in_PR said...

They were invited to speak at Biltmore Baptist Church in Ashville, NC.

Diane said...

NO wonder that Jennifer is always fussing and crying. She is a child who probably strives on structure and routine, and is being carted all over the US in a bus where it is noisy and most likely hard to sleep well. Plus, imagine the food they must eat without proper ways to cook for 20?

The trips are really boring. I hope that they stop filming such nonsense and let us see a day in the life of homeschooling, or even a trip to the grocery store! Or more of Jim Bob's bible study (which, if the Noah day was any example, has also fallen by the wayside).

Anonymous said...

I just have to ask out of curiousity because this always seems to come up, why does it matter how much the Duggars travel?If the kids are home schooled and the Duggars business ventures are sort of self sufficient(Jim Bob does not have to be present everyday to be a landlord on properties)why does it matter how often they are home? It just bothers me that it seems to matter to so many people that the family travels often.They are not struggling financially and are not on government assistance so why shouldn't they be able to travel the country? Other lesser known families do it all the time and some of them have kids who are in school and do miss valuable class time. I never post pre episode but I just had to ask this question.

MOM IN TEXAS

Anonymous said...

Maybe the Duggars should go back to specials throughout the year. The show seems to be running out of ideas and it would actually put less pressure on the family when it comes to constantly be on camera

Anonymous said...

Mom in Texas,

I can't speak for anyone else, but it seems that most of this travelling is not primarily for educational purposes or even family vacations, but so that the family can put on a show for the viewing audience. It makes me wonder how many of these "invitations" are more or less orchestrated by TLC?

Even home schooled students need structure to their days in order to properly focus on their lessons.

-Katydid

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I wonder if the Duggars buy second hand gifts for Christmas. I know one year they bought each of the kids a new bike but I am not sure if that is their normal practice.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

The trailor or commerical says that the house they visit has enough bedrooms for each of the Duggars. I know that when they built their house the children had a choice of individual rooms or one large one for each sex. They choose the larger room.

Cyn said...

Does this family ever stay home? Should we just call them the "Traveling Duggars"? That is not a normal life, and not "reality"!

Remember that the "G" family also had a lot of TLC paid for trips, before their demise. Not a good road to go down, IMO.
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They were there for a church visit, while they were there they lumped in all the other shows... Dolly, Bates, Parade in Pigeon Forge..... all with in 2 -3 hours of each other travel time. So hmmmm guess they are just traveling all over the place..... If I remember correctly (and I could be wrong) but they got 2-3 episodes out of a summer/ late fall trip...

They probably went on the trip for the church and decided to use the fact that they were there to do the other things as well....

Frankly if you are ever IN that area I would suggest spending several days in Biltmore. School trips go daily to LEARN all kinds of historical facts.

Im_in_PR said...

Even home schooled students need structure to their days in order to properly focus on their lessons.

-Katydid


According to the time frame in which they were gone, I viewed it as a sort of fall break, just like all schools have.

Enough with the Multiples said...

Re: I can't speak for anyone else, but it seems that most of this travelling is not primarily for educational purposes or even family vacations, but so that the family can put on a show for the viewing audience. It makes me wonder how many of these "invitations" are more or less orchestrated by TLC?

Even home schooled students need structure to their days in order to properly focus on their lessons.

-Katydid
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I couldn't agree more. Well pointed out!

Manda said...

Why are you all sounding like the posters at GWOP? Can't each family live the way they want too?

Anonymous said...

When you film your family to be in our living rooms every Tuesday at 8 pm, you get criticism, good or bad. IMO our discussions here are not too much different than if we were talking about any other scripted show on the air.

-Katydid

Mandy said...

I wonder if the Duggars will let us glimpse that their Christmas day is like. I know last year we saw the Christmas parade but I don't remember them talking very much about what they do on Christmas day. Maybe I'm forgetting that part though. I also wouldn't blame them for wanting the cameras to go away for a day.

I checked the TV listings and next week should be a visit to the Bates. I'm quite excited about that!

Whitney said...

Why are you all sounding like the posters at GWOP? Can't each family live the way they want too?

Yes and No.

The root of the problem that everyone had with the Gosselins is that they lived their life, and more importantly their children's lives, on television and stole basic rights like privacy from their children.

Granted most of the Duggar kids are older than the Gosselin kids and the family seems to hold themselves to different and more respectable values there are still a handful of those kids that are extremely young. Case and point: Mackynzie (sp?).

Personally for me, when I say that it is not alright to put your child's life on every tv screen in America that should hold true for all families.

The Duggars are very interesting and are an anomaly in our society which is probably why they get so much attention. At the same time we have seen subtle yet distinct changes in their attitudes and how they live their lives since they started with the television program. I don't believe that that is all coincidence or the kids growing up. I say for the sake of what those parents hold as important values they should pull away from the main stream media and get back to their roots.

Anonymous said...

Each family can live as they want to, but when they put themselves on national television, we get to comment on them. If they don't want commentary, either positive or negative, the Duggars can get out of the national spotlight. As celebrities that they now are, the Duggars invite critique. In that way they are no different from Brittany Spears.

Anonymous said...

"I wonder if the Duggars will let us glimpse that their Christmas day is like. I know last year we saw the Christmas parade but I don't remember them talking very much about what they do on Christmas day. Maybe I'm forgetting that part though. I also wouldn't blame them for wanting the cameras to go away for a day."
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Discovery health's site has a video about Christmas from back when they had 15 kids. I found it by searching their site for Duggar Christmas

Anonymous said...

I have long thought that this family was on a slippery slope, and that they should go back to their original values, which did not include products like Swiffer, Dolly Parton and her NIKE clothing, or tight shirts and flip flops (remember those "sensible black shoes with white socks" that the girls all wore back a few years ago?).

If Jim Bob has any intention of salvaging the family values, he will quickly get his family off TV (since they aren't supposed to believe in the medium anyway). The only hope they have is to try to regain their privacy. I don't see it happening though, because the Duggars have been bitten by the greed bug, and there is never a good outcome to that.

Mrs P said...

These trips aren't purely 'vacations'. They are 'working' trips where they given motivational speeches to encourage other Christians at different churches or homeschool conferences. They simply try to include some educational and/or fun things for the kids to do while they are on the road. Sounds totally normal and rational to me.

I know I've said this before, but it's quite obvious no matter WHAT the Duggars do it won't be ok or right with some people. They just can't win. People used to complain that the kids never left the house except for ATI conferences and the grocery store(that wasn't true, they had done other trips back then, most notably an East Coast vacation with the whole family), now they complain that the Duggars leave the house TOO often. Doesn't matter what they do, someone's going to be unhappy. Good thing they only care about pleasing the Lord. :)
Mrs P

Roseliza said...

I love the Duggar family, but I don't usually care as much for the episodes when they're traveling. They don't interest me because this is supposed to be a reality TV show & I cannot in any way relate to being on the road all the time.

It also leaves me with a sort of "ick" feeling because I used to watch J&K+8 and that show took a total dive for me once all the free trips started in every single episode. I don't believe that the Duggars are just taking advantage of or looking for freebies like J&K, but it's still hard to get past that "oh no" feeling when you see another family that, on the surface, appears to be going down the same path.

I would really be interested in knowing how much traveling the Duggars did before the TV series & whenever they weren't being filmed for the old hour long specials. If this is something they always did before the shows, there's nothing to worry about. If not... I hope they will be careful about the path they're on.

Anonymous said...

Manda - I understand what you are saying, but it's been my observation that the comments on this blog seem fair and unbiased. In other threads we have discussed things such as the safety of used car seats for Mckynzie and other topics that even those who love the Duggars still discuss. Of course there are some who seem to nitpick, but if we didn't like the Duggars on some level, I don't think any of us would be watching the show in the first place. I believe most of the posters here like the Duggars for the most part, although we may not agree with all of their philosophies. We are entitled to bring up our observations and ask questions, but I don't find most of it to be malicious or out of line - simply discussions. Of course they have the right to live the way they want to, but we also have the right to comment amoungst ourselves about their safety habits, etc.
-Christina

Sherry said...

My husband and I once lived in the Asheville area and passed by the entrance to the Biltmore house every week. Its definitely a beautiful area. I have to say that the tour guides there seemed a bit snobbish to me....very condescending to the Duggars. Didn't like that at all...

Sherry said...

I understand what the posters are saying about all the trips..it does seem a bit excessive. But we had 4 children and took them on days trips about 3-4 times a month. We took them to all kinds of historical sites in our state. We tried to go to free places, since it could get expensive trying to pay for 6 to get in the sites. Can't imagine paying for 19 or more...TLC is most likely footing the bill for these trips. It would be hard to turn down free trips for your family.

Jinger Rocks said...

The kids are getting older:

1) Josiah is definitely looking more like a teenager. Did anyone notice his voice is a little more deep? He's turning into a handsome young man!

2) Jedidiah also looks bigger...like a football player

3) Johannah is talking a LOT more...and giving opinions! She also is developing the Duggar eyes and forehead that Jason and Jinger share.

4) Jordyn always seems so small. Why?

Anonymous said...

How many episodes are there going to be? is this season ever going to end?

chocolatebee said...

I enjoyed seeing the Biltmore Estate especially since I had never heard of it before.It looks like a really fun trip. The only issue I was having was Jim Bob's incessant mentioning of how everything big in the estate was just "like our family". Michelle seemed mortified when he asked the tour guide if the could all stand around the table. I mean why would they be allowed to stand around the table especially since it was roped off? And why did Jim Bob even feel this would be neccessary? I really do like Jim Bob but sometimes he needs to know when not to speak. I notice that when they are away from home he often refers to how big the family is as if this is not known by most already.It's slightly annoying.

I could almost taste those big delicious orchard apples. We love apples in our family and would love to go somewhere like this. Johannah sure makes my day! I love an episode full of her cutiness.She is so cute and funny. All the little ones are growing up and growing into their own little persons. It's interesting to see since I have watched this family for so many years.

MomOfThree said...

Mrs P said...

These trips aren't purely 'vacations'. They are 'working' trips where they given motivational speeches to encourage other Christians at different churches or homeschool conferences. They simply try to include some educational and/or fun things for the kids to do while they are on the road. Sounds totally normal and rational to me.
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I'm all for parents' sharing their "tips"...motivational, inspirational, educational, etc but dragging your children around to do this is not really fair to them, IMO, nor is it "totally normal or rational". (How many families do we know that do this? Personally, I don't know of any.) Throwing an "educational" day in while on the road doesn't justify it, either. When another family on a now defunct TLC show schlepped their brood around for TV and "personal" appearances, people were appalled. Just because the Duggar kids aren't as vocal with their opinions about working in the "family business" as the other group of kids were, doesn't mean they are happy about it either. With the exception of a few of them, the majority didn't appear thrilled to be "on tour" in "this episode of '18 Kids and Counting'". Michelle, herself, more or less said as much.

I have to agree with the posters who said that it was best, for especially the youngest ones, to be at home with structure and routine. This was paramount when the oldest children were growing up and you can see how it reflects in their disciplined and orderly personalities today. The younger ones appear to have no real boundries and run wild (literally) around the house.

To each their own, but I, as an adult would not like to be traveling (or vacationing) as much as the Duggars do (much less with all those children in tow). It is probably even more upsetting to the children. I can't imagine trying to teach a child anything...schoolwork, housework, organization, discipline, music lessons, even potty training...when the schedule is being interrupted so much by the "pack up and go" routine. If Jim Bob and Michelle have speaking obligations or engagements, they should leave the family at home, go alone, for only as long as they have to be there and return.

As I have said before, this family is ideal for TLC in terms of availability and appeal. Couple that with the fact that TLC is wooing the Duggars with paychecks and national attention and you have a match made in heaven for both parties.

Certainly, all this travel is for "episodes" and at TLC's request for show material. The Duggars have probably traveled/vacationed/visited/daytripped/etc more in the last two to three years while under contract to TLC then they ever had at all.

Mrs P said...

Maybe people have different ideas on family the. My dh and I would never dream of going off to something ads leaving the children at home. We take our children everywhere with us except on the occasional 'date night'. (and actually if I'm nursing we take the nursing baby regardless)

Some families just wouldn't go off to speaking engagements etc ad leave the kids at home. It just wouldn't occur to them.

Mrs P

Mandy said...

While the Duggars do travel a lot it seems like a lot of it is trips that would happen regardless of TLC. They make trips to NY all the time because of being on TV shows due to their large family but those have nothing to do with TLC. They go for speaking engagements in other states and those turn into family trips. I think that's what this current trip was for.

A regular sized family would go to visit relatives or friends (like the Bates) and not think anything of having a few trips like that every year. Most families don't take 5 week long bus trips (at least mine never did) but those long bus trips were things that the Duggars did before TLC came along. The fact that their kids get to experience such fun vacations is pretty special and hopefully they have good memories from these trips for the rest of their lives.

And aren't Jedidiah and Jeremiah looking so much older now? And Johannah's comments are oftentimes the highlight of an episode for me.

Merry Christmas guys!

Digger said...

What a cute episode. I loved watching them picking apples and pumpkins. Johannah seemed so mature taking Justin's picture and Jackson was just adorable as always. Jennifer was talking more and Jordyn trying to eat that apple was too cute. I say just keep featuring the little kids and I will be very happy.

LadyJayne813 said...

I find it odd that the Duggars don't attend a traditional church, yet speak at traditional churches. Seems almost hypocritical. I don't approve of their "Church of JimBob." What qualification does he have to be a religious official? He seems to be from the same school as a person like David Koresh. I know that spelling is off.

I'm also wondering where they stay when they travel. I can't imagine going on the amount of trips they have been going on, and sleeping on that bus.

Safety First said...

Yet again, in this episode, alarming instances of disregard for the personal safety of the children:

Example #1: While the bus is on the highway, one of the younger boys is standing up, almost diagonally, with his feet on a sleeping bunk, leaning over and propping himself up against the other side of the bus.

Example #2: In that same scene, numerous children, younger and older, are shown clumped together on a bench-seat, unbuckled.

Example #3: Near the end of the episode, while Jill is removing baked items from the oven, Johannah (age 4 ??) and other younger children are shown leaning into/around the oven while the oven door is open. GOOD GRIEF, what if they had tripped and fallen face-first into the oven? Third-degree burns anyone ?

I don't understand the lack of concern for basic home or road safety. It's really appalling.

EHM said...

Concerning vacations/trips: Little People Big World, Jon & Kate, and the Duggers have all stayed at the Peabody Hotel in Memphis where the Moms were "duck masters." This is something that TLC would have arranged and paid for. I expect to see the Duggers at a dude ranch in the near future. They are under contract to TLC, and they will go where TLC sends them for filming.

CappuccinoLife said...

At the very beginning of the show they mentioned that the Biltmore stop was on their way to visit the Bates family. Maybe we'll see the Bateses on the show again soon. :)

I agree with Mrs. P. And I think the Duggars should stop the weekly show because of it (if they can, contractually). They will *never* please everybody. Either their too restrictive, or too loose. Too religious, or "inconsistent". Too much at home, or too much away from home.

I hope it gets old for them soon and that prompts them to get out of the TLC business.

Anonymous said...

At least I didn't need to take my sleep medication last night. Ten minutes of this show was all it took. Thanks Duggars!

Anonymous said...

Judging by what's been posted so far, the content of the shows are no longer interesting. No one is commenting on the show and everything is about the D's lifestyle. It's just boring.

Shows featuring interviews whith the older ones, giving us a window into their daily lives, is probably not in the cards.

Cyn said...

EHM said...

Concerning vacations/trips: Little People Big World, Jon & Kate, and the Duggers have all stayed at the Peabody Hotel in Memphis where the Moms were "duck masters." This is something that TLC would have arranged and paid for. I expect to see the Duggers at a dude ranch in the near future. They are under contract to TLC, and they will go where TLC sends them for filming.
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You must have missed the first few Specials..... On 16 kids and traveling they went to a dude ranch.

Lindsay said...

Maybe I've gone off the deep end and missed this but can anyone tell me how the Biltmore in Asheville, NC is "on the way" to visiting the Bates in TN? I know my geography but I don't get it? Maybe I heard wrong? Can someone clarify for me?

Morgan said...

A couple things....

1. Who was this friend Brandy? that was travelling with them?

2. Jim Bob: no means no, you can't touch the furniture even though u think your large brood is deserving of special priveleges they aren't.

3. Johanna is a doll. She speaks really clearly for her age.

4. It looked like they were eating a meal of somesorts at the end of the epi at the orchard. Did anyone else notice this?

5. Jim Bob's comment about the Vanderbilt's storing up treasures on earth....uhmmm weird?! Not everything has to be a bible story JB...
Cant wait to see the Bates next week.

Im_in_PR said...

Maybe I've gone off the deep end and missed this but can anyone tell me how the Biltmore in Asheville, NC is "on the way" to visiting the Bates in TN? I know my geography but I don't get it? Maybe I heard wrong? Can someone clarify for me?

I'm not sure where the Bates live, but the Duggars were also invited to Pigeon Forge, and invited to speak at a church in Asheville, Biltmore Baptist.

It's about 60 miles from Pigeon Forge to Asheville, if I remember correctly.

Cyn said...

Im_in_PR said...

I'm not sure where the Bates live, but the Duggars were also invited to Pigeon Forge, and invited to speak at a church in Asheville, Biltmore Baptist.

It's about 60 miles from Pigeon Forge to Asheville, if I remember correctly.
12/02/2009 11:42 AM

The Bates live in Lake City TN... about 25 miles or so north of Knoxville TN...

If this helps The Bates are about 1.50 hrs (depending on if they know the back roads or not)from Pigeon Forge, and about 3 hours from Biltmore. All of which are right off interstates 40 and 75.

nccalgal said...

I wasn't watching the show as much as listening, so I don't know if I didn't hear JB correctly. Did he say he didn't know who the Vanderbilts were? If this was supposed to be an educational outing the least they should do is study the background of who the people were who built it. It's on the National Registry of Historical sites, not for the house but for the pioneering methods used to reforest the property. Book reports, history lessons, there are all kinds of educational opportunities to be had.

Mrs P said...

The 'trip' the Duggars made to the Peabody was not in Memphis. The same people own a hotel (with the ducks etc) in Little Rock, AR called The Peabody Little Rock.

The trip to Asheville, nc was made because of a speaking engagement. While there they visited their friend (the lady on the bus and with them during the episode) On the way back, they visited the Bates.

I do think they should end the show and go back yearly or twice yearly specials for the same reasons CappucinoLife stated.

Mrs P

Sharla said...

To those sending through complaints about other commenters - comments is not the place to address issues. You should email a mod. This blog allows positive and negative comments about the show. If you don't like the negative tone of some comments, then please feel free to find something positive to say about the show. Complaining about other commenters, however, isn't the way to go. Thank you for all the people who are being kind to those with whom they may disagree.

Anonymous said...

Safety First - ohhhh, the oven! I am trying to be less critical about the Duggars than I have been in the past, but if there's one thing that really bothers me about their lack of safety, it's the oven. I've noticed this in other episodes as well, for example the episode where Jill went to babysit and made brownies before leaving - all the little kids were sticking their heads right in the oven every time someone opened it! If they want to be more lax than most of us, I guess that probably won't change, but at least be more careful around the oven! Geez.
-Christina

Joanna said...

I had heard of the Biltmore house. I'd love to see more of it. Maybe I should just go to the website and I'll see pictures of it!

But definitly a place to keep in mind if I ever head up that way.

Digger said...

The kids were NOT sticking their heads in the oven!

pumpkin said...

The Biltmore House looks amazing to me, I wanted to see this episode because it has always intrigued me.

Here's the link if anybody doesn't know it already:

http://www.biltmore.com/

It's modeled on 3 separate 16th century French chateaux and the architect was Richard Morris Hunt.

What cracks me up about this... 34 bedrooms as their "country home".

Anonymous said...

Digger - Maybe I exaggerated. The kids may not have been "sticking their heads in the oven" but they could at least try to be safer and have the little kids back up when they open it. All it takes is one person to accidentally bump into another and someone gets burned.
-Christina

Anonymous said...

I didn't even notice the oven safety, since there are so many other safety concerns that I have seen. In particular, the lack of safety glasses, harnesses, protective earwear, children hanging from and around construction equipment, babies with lollypops, babies sleeping in swings unattended, babies being fed lying down with a giant spoon, children climbing up near ceiling fans, climbing on and standing on counters.

That's only a small portion of things that have concerned me. I think they are lucky that nothing awful has happened to any of the kids yet. But you can only tempt fate for so long.

Anonymous said...

As someone who really liked the Duggars original 1-hr specials I have to say, the weekly show is really boring.

How did that happen? I guess too much TLC is not a good thing.

I only watched the first part of this episode (at the Biltmore house) and turned it off before they got to the apple orchard, pumpking patch, wherever they were going.

I don't enjoy seeing JB and M walk around together while their older daughters take care of the younger children.

I didn't really buy what M was saying about working in educational trips, the older children could have gotten something out of it, but they were too busy watching the younger ones and the younger ones were running around,someone was screaming, which is to be expected, this isn't a place for little kids.

M seems more and more detached from parenting with every episode.

Like I said, I really liked the Duggars before weekly show, but now, not so much.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Would you say that an owner of a small store is a hyprocrate if he/she shopped at a mega store like K Mart? If the answer is "no" , why would someone who has a home church be hyprocrate if they had a home church and spoke at at an organized church? It is all about preferences.

Anonymous said...

Who was that lady in the poncho?
Also, I agree that it makes me a little ill to watch the older girls raising the younger kids while JimBob and Michelle spawn more offspring. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the older girls decided that they didn't want to be Moms at all. They've already raised their kids.

Shawna said...

Anonymous said.. "Michelle seems more and more detached from parenting with every episode.

Like I said, I really liked the Duggars before weekly show, but now, not so much."

I completely agree. I loved oldschool Duggars. I may get lectured for saying this, but with each episode, Michelle acts more like a sister while the older girls act more like the mother. The only exception being that Michelle is birthing and nursing these babies. I feel sorry for baby # 19 b/c it will have a very impersonal and institutionalized upbringing. I mean, do you really think Michelle KNOWS Justin? Besides his favorite food and birth order?

Keri said...

"I know that when they built their house the children had a choice of individual rooms or one large one for each sex. They choose the larger room."


Please. They knew the way the parents are they wouldn't have individual rooms for long anyways so why even bother getting your hopes up for any privacy.

Im_in_PR said...

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Would you say that an owner of a small store is a hyprocrate if he/she shopped at a mega store like K Mart? If the answer is "no" , why would someone who has a home church be hyprocrate if they had a home church and spoke at at an organized church? It is all about preferences.


I pretty much like the Duggars, but I do think it is hypocritical of them to go and speak at churches (and sell books there) when they have made negative comments about churches like Biltmore Baptist.

I agree with some of what the Duggars believe, I'm not faulting them for their beliefs. But if they truly do not agree with liberal churches, then don't attend one to sell your books. That's a sell out I don't approve of.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

"
Please. They knew the way the parents are they wouldn't have individual rooms for long anyways so why even bother getting your hopes up for any privacy. '

So are you saying that the kids had no say so in their choice of a larger room? If you are saying that can you back it up with proof?

Digger said...

About the safety concerns regarding the Duggars, some are legit as in John not wearing eye protection when using a chainsaw but he is an adult. Or Jordyn eating a lollipop but I'm sure she had someone watching her closely.

I think the Duggars feel kids need to be kids and take chances and learn from mistakes. They are not the coddling kind or nowadays they are called helicopter parents. The Duggars follow the old fashioned way of raising kids. Put them in the yard with sticks and rocks and let them explore. Too many parents raise fearful children because it's always don't do this or don't do that. I say give kids some space and don't freak out with every close call.

I'm sure Josiah learned a lesson the hard way when he broke his arm falling out of a tree but I'm glad he gets to climb trees. I did as a kid and it was exhilerating.

Cyn said...

I agree with some of what the Duggars believe, I'm not faulting them for their beliefs. But if they truly do not agree with liberal churches, then don't attend one to sell your books. That's a sell out I don't approve of.

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I would agree with you if they were ATTENDING the church.

They were asked in as guest speakers and like every guest speaker I have ever seen come into a church they brought items to sell out in the foyer.

If it's a music group they bring cd's (used to be cassettes and records)... if it's a visiting pastor (and they are sometimes of different denominations) he brings the books he's written, if its a missionary they bring books they have written, pamphlets, or other various items.

Why are the Duggars supposed to be any different?

Anonymous said...

It's funny that we complain about the duggar children being sheltered, but when they do get opportunities to see more of the world they live in we complain that they are changing.
When all is said and done how many trips to the grocery store do you really want to watch?

Anonymous said...

I know many families that home schooled their kids whether 20 or only 10 but the common denomimator
I have seen is these people have time to travel and they say the purpose of this travel is to let the kids actually see what they have been studying about. They get to learn how to read maps, they talk about what they will see there and then when they get there they talk about how different it was than they thought. I think this is a family learning environment for them. I think it also shows that if this large a family can successfully go to something like that, then why can't more parents spend time with their children showing them what is actually in the world than just sitting around talking about it and never having any real life experiences. I don's see anything these people do that is so wrong. They are just being people and doing what any of us would do if we were in the same situation....18 kids or not. I love watching how they interact with others and everyone always comments on how polite the children are. I bet They don't say that nice stuff about very many of the people that come through there. I just don't see why this show brings out all this animossity from people who must like watching the Duggars because they are on here every week watching. I think they are great and hope to see more of them. But I will agree with some others and I would like to see more normal day to day life with home schooling, cooking, cleaning and interactions with the parents and their children. Anybody else agree with me?

Im_in_PR said...

I would agree with you if they were ATTENDING the church.

They were asked in as guest speakers and like every guest speaker I have ever seen come into a church they brought items to sell out in the foyer.

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Why are the Duggars supposed to be any different?


It is a matter of compromise for money, and to me, that is the worst kind of compromising one can do.

The Duggars don't agree with the bible version that church uses, they certainly do not agree with the contemporary christian rock music that the church in question uses and they also preach against the kind of clothing that the majority of women in that church wear.

So please, don't be a compromiser and go visit a church to sell your books when you certainly would not visit that church to worship there.

Anonymous said...

I no longer watch the show because it was becoming too preachy.
Also, I didn't care for the nasty comments of one of the daughters at "David's Bridal".
Does it surprise anyone that this blog would be monitored when JB and M limit what their kids can watch and access on the net?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous - may I ask what the offensive comment was that one of the girls made? I don't remember the family going to David's Bridal, only Kleinfeld. Just curious. Thanks!

Midwest Mom said...

A broken arm will heal.

3rd degree burns from tripping and falling into a hot oven door is an entirely different matter.

People die from serious burns, not to mention the serious disfigurement issues.

It is NOT "letting kids be kids and take chances and learn" when you let a preschooler lean over an open heated oven.

Rationalize it any way you want to, it's just not SAFE.

Bubbles said...

In regards to them speaking at the type of church they wouldn't attend...a huge part of Christianity is leading by example. JB&M could feel that appearing there exposes others to a different way of looking at Christianity.

If they refused appearances stating the churches inviting them didn't fit their view of Christianity, they'd be accused of being judgmental, & then of being hypocritical for being judgmental!

I don't recall ever hearing any of the Duggars saying how others should live their lives - they simply state how they (the Duggars) are living theirs.

nccalgal said...

Whenever JB or M discuss their belief system, they say, this is what we believe and it works for us. They do not say everyone who believes or livess their lives differently is wrong. As long as the basic tenants of Christian doctrine are followed and/or preached, then they are not compromising anything by going to a church that does "church" differently. Now if they were going to a church or temple that doesn't hold to the Christian doctrines, then that would be hypercritical.

Cyn said...

Im_in_PR said...It is a matter of compromise for money, and to me, that is the worst kind of compromising one can do.

The Duggars don't agree with the bible version that church uses, they certainly do not agree with the contemporary christian rock music that the church in question uses and they also preach against the kind of clothing that the majority of women in that church wear.

So please, don't be a compromiser and go visit a church to sell your books when you certainly would not visit that church to worship there.
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The singers and the visiting pastors, and the missionaries I was talking about in my earlier post some have said the same things from the pulpit at the churches they were speaking or singing at. One preacher railed over the fact that we didn't use KJV in our services but used the NKJV in fact that was his entire sermon.

Would you have said the same to that preacher... or is it just the Duggars that you have that issue with...

I am just curious as to where the line should be drawn. If you are a large family on TV you shouldn't do that or if no one who claims the title christian should not do it.

Btw the preacher the spent his entire visit telling how we should only use KJV.... had written several books and pamphlets on the subject and that's what he was there to "sell".

The Duggars were asked to come talk about their family and how they make it work as Christians in today's world... Same thing the book talks about except in more detail.

Somebody's Nana said...

lm_in_PR said: So please, don't be a compromiser and go visit a church to sell your books when you certainly would not visit that church to worship there.

I can't speak to the exact arrangements they had with the church, but I know this much. No Baptist church (that I have ever heard of!) would allow any moneymaking events during a Sunday worship service, so this is likely a separate venue. In effect, they are not "going to church" as it were, similar to when they speak in a secular venue.

Also, many churches (especially larger ones) rent out their facilities to groups who do not necessarily support their viewpoints. Our church does, and we have secular events (such as graduations) using our building all the time. The only thing we reject is any group that specifically and directly goes against Biblical practices, i.e. pro-abortion, etc.

My point is, that while they may not worship in a similar church, how is visiting the church for a paid engagement any different than speaking to a secular group?

Somebody's Nana said...

I like the Duggars. I don't agree with them on many things, but I can understand them. I even understand why they are willing to put their family under public scrutiny (aside from the money).

However, I am becoming more and more uncomfortable watching the show as I think that they are too "open" and the children need privacy. Their lives will never be normal in the sense of most of us as they have different beliefs, routines, lifestyle, but it would be more normal with fewer people around all the time.

I really would like to see them return to a yearly special or something similar. It is why I am no longer watching them on a regular basis.

kidznpupz said...

Has anybody noticed just how bored the older kids look? Both the boys and the girls. There is more to life than raising children and the time to experience it is while you are young and before the responsibilities of raising your own family. They need to be going to college or working in the real world. Maybe some mission work if that goes along with their faith. But, the girls especially should not be saddled with raising their siblings. The babies when they cry call for their sister instead of their mom! It's been shown on TV. When they are sick it's their sister who holds them over the bowl. Being a mother is a lot more than giving birth and breast feeding. The older kids just don't seem happy or engaged in these family jaunts.

Im_in_PR said...

Anybody else agree with me?

No, not really. It's not that I mind them traveling, or homeschooling, I think that's fine.

But I just think that as long as they place their lives out there for public consumption to make a buck, they have to take the positive comments from people, as well as the negative.

Just because people may voice disagreement about a certain aspect of what the Duggars have chosen to make public doesn't mean that people have "animosity."
It's just a discussion about public actions by the Duggars, nothing more, nothing less.

Emily said...

I am finding some of the recent episodes a bit boring too.

I also have noticed that Michelle seems really detached from parenting. To be quite honest it bothers me, but then I keep thinking that a lot is probably lost in editing. Still, it has struck me more than once.

The first time it hit me was in an episode where JB&M were coming home from somewhere and a bunch of the kids went running outside to the side of the vehicle where JB was getting out. They all rushed to him and hugged him. The next scene we saw Michelle coming into the house by herself.

There was a scene in the episode where they celebrated Joy's birthday where she was blowing out her candles and Michelle leaned down to kiss her head. It stood out to me because I have rarely seen her kiss her children.

There are other examples I can't think of right now and there is just a general feeling that there is something not right there. Have you ever noticed she doesn't initiate affection with JB. They are smootchy and affectionate, but he seems to always initiate.

Again, perhaps it is editing or I'm reading too much into situations that really shouldn't hold meaning. But apparently some of you are noticing the same things I've noticed.

Diane said...

I think the telltale moment was again Jim Bob and Michelle merrily holding hands and walking ahead of their whole brood at the Biltmore estate while the girls pushed all the strollers and held all the little kids' hands. That was so wrong.

I think Michelle may be a narcissist who only gets attention from pregnancy. She doesn't really seem to express much interest in her children once they are weaned.

Anonymous said...

In this particular episode I saw both Jim Bob and Michelle spending hands on quality time with the children especially the little ones.Jim Bob played with the children in the corn maze and the orchard. I think they are good parents and granted the older girls do help out a lot but when you have so many little ones, they almost have to help out. And I don't see the girls really complaining.I think they enjoy it to some extent.

MOM IN TEXAS

Anonymous said...

Mom in Texas -- I will have to take your word for it that JB was playing with the children at the apple orchard. I tuned in, but after the display at the Biltmore house, I turned off the tv so I didn't see the rest of the episode.

Once again, JB and M were walking hand in hand at the Biltmore house totally ignoring their children and forcing the older girls to watch the little ones, it makes me wince just to watch it.

Somebody's Nana, I'm with you, I'd rather they just went back to the yearly/occasional special.

kathie

Anonymous said...

kidznpupz said...

Has anybody noticed just how bored the older kids look?

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I've thought the same thing. I thought it was most telling that Michelle made a comment to the effect of using even the Biltmore house to teach shapes, colors, and matching skills. No mention of specifically helping the older ones learn about history, etc...

I also think that on some level the oldest children must be getting a little bit bored after the past 10 or so years of looking after a buddy in these situations without getting a chance to really listen and learn about something more advanced that interests them.

-Katydid

luvmybabies said...

"I think Michelle may be a narcissist who only gets attention from pregnancy. She doesn't really seem to express much interest in her children once they are weaned."

Huh? Why bother homeschooling, trying to keep your voice down when you're angry, and in general going to the trouble of creating well-behaved and adjusted kids and a happy family if you're a narcissist? I'm personally acquainted with a few narcissistic women and mothers, and believe me this is not their behaviors. Michelle Duggar is the opposite of a narcissist.

Anonymous said...

One thing I noticed, in regard to whether or not Michelle is "detached", there was a real quick shot of Jennifer at the Biltmore and she was grabbing at the necklace of the person holding her. I was thinking it was a pretty necklace, but it didn't show who was holding her at the time. I noticed later that it was Michelle who was wearing the necklace.
I know this is just one incidence of her holding the child, but it may indicated that just because TLC doesn't specifically show the personal attention from JB & M to the children, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Pondering on it certainly gives us something to discuss, doesn't it? Surely the producers check out this blog, and if they are seeing that some people are getting bored with what they are putting out, maybe they are sort of feeding us the side of the story that they want to convey just to keep the interest up.

Diane said...

Michelle does not actually do much homeschooling (yes, we saw her teaching the letter B to a child who should have known that letter three years earlier). The older kids do something or another on the computer and "graduate" at age 16. Then, with whatever knowledge they have, they are in charge of teaching their buddies.

I don't call that Michelle "homeschooling".

She is very detached from her children. Mostly she smooches and holds hands with her husband, while the older girls are left pushing strollers, carrying the kids. Since Michelle has transferred all care of the children to the older girls, mayhem reigns in the Duggar home. When Michelle actually DID the childcare. the kids were much better behaved. Just look at the "14 children" episode, vs 18+. Quite a striking difference.

Anonymous said...

JB and M remind me of my parents. They have a very task/goal oriented relationship. Michelle is very much like my mother in that she has high standards that she sets for herself and focuses her attention on being morally correct and running a well organized home. JB is obviously much more in need of attention than Michelle -- based on the fact that he is always joking around, stealing the spotlight, worrying about his appearance. I think he wants more nurturing for himself and that's why he initiates affection with Michelle.

I don't think that Michelle is the stereotypical affectionate, sensitive woman but I think she tries hard to be sweet and loving because that is one of her ideals.

luvmybabies said...

Diane said "Michelle does not actually do much homeschooling (yes, we saw her teaching the letter B to a child who should have known that letter three years earlier). The older kids do something or another on the computer and "graduate" at age 16."

As a homeschooling parent myself I want to comment on this. The "something or another on the computer" is the Switched on Schoolhouse curriculum by Alpha Omega. This is a well-rounded college-prep curriculum that is challenging and blows out of the water the public education I received or that the public schools in my area offer. A child who graduates from this program will have a solid educational foundation. You can look on Alpha Omega's website to see examples and the scope and sequence of the curriculum.

Secondly, as I recall, Michelle was teaching her child phonics, the sound of the letter B, not the letter B itself. There is a difference between alphabet recognition (which many children can master by age 3 or 4)and phonics & blending(usually taught beginning around age 5 and sometimes not mastered for a couple of years for some children).

Michelle has said she does have her older chidren tutor the younger ones with their phonics and math, but she is still the teacher - many public schools have older kids read to or teach the younger ones at times, under the supervision of the teacher. Also, Michelle has said that she teaches all her school-age children in the afternoons in the subjects of history, science, law and medicine from the ATI curriculum they use.

Michelle looks to me like she is most definitely a homeschooling mother, and appears successful at it too.

Diane said...

If the older children (girls) are responsible for all of the housework, cleaning, laundry, food prep and childcare, how are they supposed to learn anything themselves, much less teach their "buddies"? I don't know what those kids have or haven't learned, but Josh's writing skills, as evidenced by his website, are deplorable. None of the kids are well spoken, and Jill couldn't even name a book that she had read, except some Prince Charming purity book. JoyAnna appeared to be reading a Boxcar Children book, which is really for 3rd or 4th graders, not a 12 year old. I was glad she was reading anything though.

Michelle seems to use the type of workbook one can purchase at Walmart (for the "B" work), and it doesn't look as if much, if any, real or rigorous learning is going on in the home. Of course, in the old days at the kitchen table, Michelle was teaching about bankruptcy law, which was just about as preposterous as anything else. since it was not in the slightest developmentally appropriate at the time (and is she a lawyer?) since the kids were quite young. A literary discussion on a real novel, some discussion of history, etc. would have been more appropriate.

Jim Bob's total lack of knowledge of interest about the Biltmore estate and the lost opportunities for teaching during that trip show the lack of education too. I was embarrassed when Michelle said that the trip was a learning experience for "colors and shapes". I mean really. That is just sad, if a trip to a historical icon like that brings up no history, no connections, nothing?

Anonymous said...

I have to disagree that SOS is is "... a well-rounded college-prep curriculum that is challenging..."

Other than the religous slant, I didn't see anything on their website that was extraordinary. I studied much the same topics plus had the ability to earn college credit (for free) while in H.S. 20+ years ago. I would have liked to view samples of their assignments & quizzes without having to register on the site.

Also, there is no mention of what states in which they might have accreditation. I went to the Department of Education website for my midwestern state & it was not listed among the more than 2 dozen options that included charter schools of various types.

Incidentally, we do have many accredited parochial schools here, but none of them have made the leap to being on-line institutions as have some of the public school districts.

Nancy said...

I think many home-schooled children receive an excellent education. For a variety of reasons, I do not believe that Michelle Duggar is providing that level to her children. Distanced learning (online) programs can be an excellent source of information but are rarely used by educators as the sole delivery method. This is because there are so many different learning styles, and the learners need to have feedback that is not easily provided by a computer program. From what we see on TV, and listening to the grammar of the kids, I doubt that they are receiving a multi-dimensional learning program at their house.
All that said, it seems that this level of education is perfectly acceptable to JB and Michelle and is all that they feel necessary for their children to be successful on their chosen paths. So, while I disagree with this choice, I acknowledge it as theirs to make.

luvmybabies said...

"If the older children (girls) are responsible for all of the housework, cleaning, laundry, food prep and childcare, how are they supposed to learn anything themselves, much less teach their "buddies"? "

It appears they aren't responsible for *all* of the household duties - the daily schedule Michelle outlined in their book seems to leave plenty of time for the older kids to do schoolwork.

"I don't know what those kids have or haven't learned, but Josh's writing skills, as evidenced by his website, are deplorable. None of the kids are well spoken, and Jill couldn't even name a book that she had read, except some Prince Charming purity book. JoyAnna appeared to be reading a Boxcar Children book, which is really for 3rd or 4th graders, not a 12 year old."

I live in a midwestern state in a fairly small town, and most people's grammar here is embarrassingly redneck - and they are public schooled. It just has to do with the culture of the area, I believe it is somewhat the same in parts of Arkansas. As for writing skills, don't get me started...many, many people cannot spell or write correctly and they are public schooled. It's likely Josh would be just as bad had he been public schooled. BTW, Josh's writing skills aren't nearly as bad as a lot of people I know.

"Michelle seems to use the type of workbook one can purchase at Walmart (for the "B" work), and it doesn't look as if much, if any, real or rigorous learning is going on in the home."

This is drawing some big conclusions based on a few minutes of filming time that was broadcast. A workbook isn't necessarily low-quality simply because it's sold at Wal-Mart.

"Of course, in the old days at the kitchen table, Michelle was teaching about bankruptcy law, which was just about as preposterous as anything else. since it was not in the slightest developmentally appropriate at the time (and is she a lawyer?) since the kids were quite young."

You have to be a lawyer to teach a child the basics of bankruptcy? I think, how great to teach young children not just about math & reading, but about the real world and meaningful concepts. Young children can understand many of these adult things and shouldn't be underestimated.

"I have to disagree that SOS is is "... a well-rounded college-prep curriculum that is challenging..."

It isn't the most challenging curriculum out there, which is why I don't use it myself. But it is a solid curriculum that is better than many public school curriculums, and if used to its potential would prepare a child for college. No, it isn't accredited; most homeschool curriculums aren't, and don't want to be, for various reasons. It isn't necessary to graduate from an accredited curriculum to receive college admittance

"Distanced learning (online) programs can be an excellent source of information but are rarely used by educators as the sole delivery method. This is because there are so many different learning styles, and the learners need to have feedback that is not easily provided by a computer program."

Many colleges and universities do offer solely distance-learning programs. Could there be another reason many educators don't like these programs? If that were the primary method, they wouldn't have a job. I'm not disputing that children learn best through a variety of mediums (this is how I teach my children), I'm just sayin'. Also, Michelle does use other methods of teaching her children in addition to their computer schoolwork.

Diane said...

Since we don't see much, if any, of the Duggar education (we did see the "B" lesson, if one could call that a lesson), we are all speculating that there is actually more to it than we see, or less. The fact is that they are on the road all the time, and Michelle herself turned a trip to the Biltmore, which could have had huge historical education benefits, into a "lesson about colors and shapes". It just doesn't instill any confidence in me that she has a clue how to teach anyone, particularly her older children. Aside from maybe Jennifer, the rest of the children had better well know colors and shapes by now!!

And there are loads of exceptionally well educated public school graduates, who do not speak or write with the poor skills of the Duggars. I would not excuse those errors and say, "Oh, public school kids are just as bad or worse'. This is a gross overgeneralization, and patently untrue in a lot of ways. My kids could write better than Josh when they were ten years old, and they were always public schooled.

Again, I have seen homeschooling that is fantastic, with exceptional opportunities for the kids to learn. But what we see (and don't see) at the Duggars, including their complete lack of interest in anything related to education, leads me to believe that their brand of homeschooling is not of that quality.

Nancy said...

The colleges and universities that offer distance learning programs have TEACHERS facilitating the courses. They have required participation on message boards and group activities that are done via conference call, email, etc. They provide simulation tools and the professors are actually available to answer questions just like normal office hours. We often teach live via various online tools - the students can see us and interact. I am actually an adjunct professor in one of these programs. They are nothing like the self-paced home study programs like SOS. They do not put teachers out of work - there is no conflict. They are multi-dimensional programs that do not rely only on self study and line work.

Nancy said...

Just to clarify, some colleges do have self paced courses as well as facilitated on-line courses. At accredited schools, there is a limit on the amount of credits that can be received from those types of courses because they are not "blended" learning and considered much less effective.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Yes, what we see about their education is mostly speculation. Just because Michelle mentioned that she can teach colors and shapes during a given field trip does not mean she is not teaching the children about the historical background of the event. Remember the footage is edited. One does not know all she said or what she would have said had she had more time or a private conversation. Again it is just speculation.

Anonymous said...

Jim Bob said he didn't know why they were going to the Biltmore. Nothing about the Vanderbilts.. There was no discussion of American history, trusts, monopolies, social class differences, which is what a normal classroom would discuss, prior to or during the visit.

Mentioning shapes and colors was embarrassing, as was Jim Bob asking if the statues were "relatives". Oh, he did point out the big washing machines, or ask if they could stand around the big table (who cares that it was cordoned off??!) but I would hardly call that an educational moment.

Once again, if there was anything remotely educational being said, I imagine we would have heard a snippet. Instead, what we heard was another example of the Duggars' true lack on interest in education, particularly history.

luvmybabies said...

Some of my points have been misunderstood...just to clarify:

I didn't say that self-paced computer courses on their own with no supplementation are adequate education. Michelle is the teacher and should be using other methods of teaching as well, and I hope she is. I was addressing the comments that implied self-paced computer courses were inherently inadequate as a basis for a curriculum. The computer-based curriculum the Duggars currently use is completely adequate as a basis. In the Duggars' book she talks about several different ways she educates her children. Hopefully this is true.

Second, I did not generalize or imply that all public schooled children are poor writers and speakers. I myself do freelance proofreading and editing, and I am a product of the public school system. I made the point that poor writing, grammar, and speaking skills are common across the board, homeschooled or public-schooled. It has a lot to do with individual ability and the culture of the area.

Anonymous said...

I think poor education and lack of intellectual curiosity is more of a national phenomenon rather than a problem with the Duggar family.

1 in 4 Americans did not read a single book last year. People who did read last year usually chose popular fiction or religious works. Once people finish their formal educations, they usually don't remember half the things they learned, much less pursue further knowledge in their free time. *shrug* The world keeps on spinning.

Who cares if the Duggar kids walked away knowing nothing about the Biltmore Estate. Most families spend their vacations at places like the beach... Not having rigorous debate over the history of the economy and social class structure.

Kat said...

"Who cares if the Duggar kids walked away knowing nothing about the Biltmore Estate."
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No one, except the Duggars keep telling us what wonderful educational opportunities these trips are, as if that will somehow disguise the fact that they are just all-expenses-paid vacations for the purpose of having something to film for the show. If they would own up to that, I wouldn't care in the least. I would be embarrassed if I were JB or Michelle, and I couldn't tell my children who the Vanderbilts were (other than the snarky remark by JB about "riches on earth." Better check that beam sticking out of your own eye, JB) and why they were visiting this house. "Um, because TLC told us to?"

Im_in_PR said...

No one, except the Duggars keep telling us what wonderful educational opportunities these trips are, as if that will somehow disguise the fact that they are just all-expenses-paid vacations for the purpose of having something to film for the show. If they would own up to that, I wouldn't care in the least.

They were invited to speak at Biltmore Baptist Church, an invitation that had nothing to do with TLC.

Im_in_PR said...

If you go through the Alpha Omega Academy (distance learning) they are accredited. http://www.aoacademy.com/

Or, you can do it on your own.

Im_in_PR said...

It isn't the most challenging curriculum out there, which is why I don't use it myself. But it is a solid curriculum that is better than many public school curriculums, and if used to its potential would prepare a child for college.

I can't speak for what it does for the Duggars, but 3 kids in my church went first through twelfth grade on it.
(In the earlier years they used the PACES which are the paper equivalent of Switch on Schoolhouse. )

The oldest child from that family received her BSN from Samford University. The youngest received her B.A. in education and is now teaching 4th grade full time in a local public school system and attending a local university at night to complete her masters. The middle child received his B.A. in History and is now finishing his juris doctorate at Cumberland School of Law.

Kat said...

Being invited to speak at the Biltmore Baptist Church also has nothing to do with visiting the Biltmore House.

And I doubt they would have received the invitation in the first place if they did not have a show on TLC.

But again, my issue really isn't that they chose to visit the house, it's that they made such a big deal of it being an education opportunity, when it was clearly not. Why not just say, "We were going to be in the area, and we thought it would be fun to see this big huge mansion everyone told us about." Nothing wrong with that, unless they think it makes them look frivolous or something.

It's the pretense that gets my back up, not the vacations themselves.

Im_in_PR said...

Being invited to speak at the Biltmore Baptist Church also has nothing to do with visiting the Biltmore House.

Being in the area, why would anyone opt out of visiting The Biltmore?

I think it's a great educational outing, and just an in general fun and exciting place to see.