Tues, November 17, Duggars Jump for Joy

The Duggars have a joy all their own: their 9th child, Joy Anna! And it's all about Joy as she turns 12 years old and celebrates with a rock climbing party, laser tag, and a special gift.

30 minutes

117 comments:

joyce said...

Joy is such a tomboy. I hope the Duggars don't squish her spirit!

CappuccinoLife said...

Happy Birthday to Joy Anna.

I don't think she's in any danger of being squished. Johanna either. The Duggars seem to appreciate and enjoy the differences in personality their children have.

pumpkin said...

I am proud of Joy Anna for doing active and fun things like lasertag and rockwall climbing. I don't see them as being particularly tomboyish. Girls can still be feminine and have an interest in sports.

On the subject of purity rings, I only knew one girl who wore one, and she got pregnant out of wedlock, so based on my limited experience with them, they don't work.

Sharla said...

Please remember that Joyanna is a child and be polite as you would wish others to be in discussin your own child, niece, nephew, cousin, etc.

Anonymous said...

My daughter is looking forward to this episode. She has been attached to Joy Anna from the day she saw Joy Anna wearing on the show the same shirt/skirt combo that she (my daughter) had just worn the day before.
I guess you could say Joy Anna is an encouragement to my daughter.

Anonymous said...

I really want to know why only the Duggar girls wear purity rings. Why not the boys too?

Sami said...

The boys don't wear purity rings? I didn't know this. Really good question.

pumpkin said...

I'm so excited, I just saw on the Duggar's wikipedia page that they are going back to visit the Bates Family for an early Christmas. (To air Dec. 8th).

Anonymous said...

I have to honestly say that when I first heard of the Duggars (a couple years ago) I was orginally repulsed by the whole 'concept' and the fact that they essentially said that God gave them all these children. No - having sex and being fertile gave you these children....BUT over the past couple months I have done a complete about face. I like this family. The family loves each other, they do good things for others and MoM and Dad still carry a torch for the other. That's great. Maybe this is a bit of backlash from the whole Jon and Kate debacle...but...dang it, the Duggar clan has made a believer out of me.

christina said...

I've known boys to wear purity rings, I think it's a personal choice. Some boys just don't like jewelery. And it's not a chastity belt, of course it doesn't prevent pregnancy!

SuzanneDeAZ said...

"jump for Joy" is that not what they said the little boy was doing when he was listening to a toy with music in the store?

Jinger Rocks! said...

"I'm so excited, I just saw on the Duggar's wikipedia page that they are going back to visit the Bates Family for an early Christmas. (To air Dec. 8th)."
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Engagement!!!
I say John David and Erin Bates. They've been hinting at that for months. Plus he was at the Bates to do the finishing touches on the Bates house. It's all about the finishing touches!!

SuzanneDeAZ said...

What is up with the shoes? I am surprised she is allowed to clib without closed in shoes.

Cautious said...

I'm watching. Did I just see the baby eating a lollipop on the bus?

I'm not in favor of kids on reality shows, but they really are cute (as long as the younger ones don't turn out like Josh.)

If the money they make from TLC enables them to have a better life and it doesn't affect them adversely, I'm glad to see them become wealthy and have things they wouldn't ordinarily have--as long as they admit they have them.

I haven't heard them say, so far, that TLC affords them things they couldn't ordinarily have which is disingenuous of the mother and father.

Morgan said...

I too saw the baby with the sucker and was SHOCKED! My mom didnt let me have anything like that until I was atleast 5. Hopefully Michelle was keeping a watchful eye...

Did anyone else think that Jim Bob was so akward (moreso than usual) on tonights epi? Just the way he was talking to Joy that morning telling her "12 years ago today you were born!" Obviously she knows that...its not like shes 2 and doesnt realize what the fuss is all about...

Glad to see McKynzie, Joys bday is the 28th so she was only about 3 weeks old but they seem to be doing well. The website says next weeks epi is about her first month but the preview they showed during the show tonight didnt convey hat message to me...it was something about Jim Bob and Michelle being "away."

I am SO excited to see the Duggar/Bates reunion episode! I know we have all wanted to see the finished house and Bates baby 17...and I will confess that I too am rooting for John David-Erin engagement annoncement :)))

Anonymous said...

SuzanneDeAZ said...

What is up with the shoes? I am surprised she is allowed to clib without closed in shoes.

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I had the same thought. The only climbing wall I've been to made you wear their shoes. Regarding the flip-flops themselves as standard attire my assumption is those are cheap, and since the kids are home schooled they are not subject to the typical dress code of either a public or private school.

-katydid

chocolatebee said...

I think JoyAnna is growing into a beautiful young lady. She seems to really have enjoyed her 12th birthday.That's such a special time in a girl's life.Joy seemed to enjoy her birthday and have a really good time. I thought it was nice to see her appreciation for the gift Josh and Anna gave her. And we got to peek at baby MacKenyzie(spelling may be wrong).

Baby Jordyn is truly "getting out of the way" as we say in our family whenever a young baby starts maturing early like little Jordyn.She's standing already and looks like she wants to walk.I know she is almost a year and while my daughter walked earlier too, Jordyn seems so little, like a doll.Something so tiny shouldn't be walking! She getting out of the way for Baby 19. Michelle seems to be being awfully quiet with the details about this baby.No one actually seems to be mentioning or discussing the baby much.I hope everything is okay.Michelle looked tired in a pregnancy sense.Normally the Duggars discuss the pregnancy and impending births more than they are with this baby.No doctors visits, classes, nothing.I have a feeling this baby will be another girl.

Jessica said...

Anyone notice that random man sitting with the Duggars when they were at the pizza parlor? Who was he..? lol

I can't wait to see the Bates' finished house and new baby!

I agree, they have been really quiet about the new baby coming, they don't seem super excited and Michelle appeared a little "run down" in tonight's episode.


anyway, happy birthday joy!

Anonymous said...

I'm actually rooting for Jana and Zach Bates more than JD and Erin!

Anonymous said...

My favorite awkward JB moment was in the middle of the episode when they'd said several times that it was Joy's bday(had been all day) and JB was driving the bus and out of nowhere said "Happy Birthday, Joy. We're glad it's your birthday hehe..."

Anonymous said...

I just wanted to share this article from our local news.
http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=104989

It's about the Duggars going to the Haley Farm with the Bates'. They were up here last week and did ceremony for lighting the Christmas lights in Gatlinburg (or Pigeon Forge, I can't remember). Anyway so they may still be in town, but I bet this is will be on air sometime in Dec, maybe we will get to see the Bates house finished. They are only about 20 min from me... I live in Knoxville.

nccalgal said...

I noticed when they displayed a list of teams for laser tag, there was a Jonathan listed on Josiah's team. Anyone have a clue who that was?
I noticed that none of the other girls tried the climbing wall. I'm sure the excuse was that they had to tend to the younger children, but even Jackson tried to climb with JB's help. I didn't understand why they wouldn't order a cake ahead of time. After all, this was a big day for Joy, and every other part of the day had been planned.

BoyMom said...

Cute, cute episode. Amy bugged me, as usual. But they all seem to love her so I'll give her a pass. Plus, I can't complain too much if she's coming around for family events, not just camera time. JimBob was akward, I wonder if he annoys any of the older kids? He always swoops in and states the obvious in a loud voice.

Loved seeing the Duggars do something pretty normal and celebrate another birthday.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I was thinking too about why the cake was not ordered ahead of time than I remembered just a few weeks ago I picked up a cake for my niece's birthday on the way to the party so this is not all tha uncommon. People know you can get a cake at the last minute so maybe it was no big deal to wait to the last minute to get one. Amy may have told the family she was getting the cake and then let it slip to the last minute or maybe it was planned for her to get it when there were cameras. No biggy here.

CappuccinoLife said...

Joy Anna picked wall climbing and laser tag, and they did it. Wow, she sure is being stifled, lol. :p


I thought the ramen for breakfast was...odd, though.

Anonymous said...

Two things that bothered me an awful lot:

WHY oh why was Joy climbing the climbing wall in FLIP FLOPS? That is sooooo dangerous! I don't really understand why the family allows the girls to wear open toes shoes and flip flops for everything, because exposing toes is very erotic to some men. It seems silly to make a fetish about skirts and then allow flip flops. Also, Joy could have slipped so easily, even with the harness! At the climbing place my children have gone to, there are required shoes (like at bowling) that are regulation climbing shoes.

Yet another safety Duggar issue was the BABY sucking a lollypop! No small child should be sucking on lollies, due to the choking hazard!

This family's disregard for health and safety is something I always comment on, because I really worry that something awful will happen to one of those kids that way that they are so cavalier.

Cait said...

Happy Birthday, Joy Anna!

I liked this episode. It was cute and showed how Joy can still do everything she wants to, even though she is one of the girls. I like her; I was a tomboy myself as a kid!

I'm a conservative Catholic. I appreciate the way the Duggars promote modesty even though it's not exactly in line with my own beliefs. This is such a cute show!

Anonymous said...

I've never posted because I generally like the Duggars, but a few things in this episode bothered me.

1. The lollipop for a child less than 1. I'm a pediatrician...no no!

2. The open-toed shoes for rock-climbing.

pumpkin said...

The ramen noodles for breakfast was a bit unusual, but to each her own. I have tried them for breakfast before (but only because I was out of everything else).

I give Joy Anna a big high five for her sense of adventure and fun. Way to go, Joy!

Anonymous said...

I like her spunk and resolve to overcome her fears and get up that wall !! The laser tag looked like a blast for everyone, too.

I fear, however, the squishing may be underway for JA: 1) M's comment that her tomboyishness was a "season of life" (hmmm, this too WILL pass); 2) M's prediction that JA will develop into a sensetive, caring woman (accompanied by a shot of JA tending to a little brother); and finally, 3) the big PINK purse (she was truly excited about that, huh? - I think she looked inside hoping to find a swiss army knife, compass, flashlight and matching survival guide).

Do you think the laser tag and the rock wall (notice no other girls, except for Amy, were prepared to participate & climb), may have been the last hurrah for this "season" of JA's life? Because once the next season-of-life is upon her, "the talk" and purity ring are next and she may be required to cast off these childish things.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 7:45 AM - I also wonder about the flip-flops. Not ony are they a hazard to one's health, but are seen as erotic by some men and some cultures. I spent years in parochial school and we were NEVER allowed to wear shoes that exposed out heels (sling-backs, etc) or toes (peep-toes) for modesty issues with our uniforms. I didn't see her wearing her skirt with leggings as an issue, but the flip flops were just dangerous. I'm sure they have a pair of sneakers at the house that would fit her.

Also, I was HORRIFIED to see the baby with the lollipop. I was just watching and wondering when someone would take it from her - I was worried that one of the younger ones gave it to her - I certainly hope one of the older children or adults did not give such a dangerous treat to such a little one. The Duggars' lack of concern for some safety issues really concerns me.

Overall, I'm happy that she had a fun birthday and was allowed to choose activities she enjoys.

Anonymous said...

Yes, many men and boys find open toed shoes erotic. I have had students describe this to me, even little peeks of toes. I'd think flip flops would be one big NIKE moment. And JA's flip flops were dirty and too big! They cost about a buck! Buy her a new pair. Or better yet, get her a decent pair of shoes for her 12th birthday, a pair that is not used "so you can save the difference". People's feet conform to their shoes. The Duggars make plenty of money from TLC and should buy their children their own shoes. Flip flops are bad for feet too!

Anonymous said...

I find it hard to believe that a family who has opened up their lives to viewers like you and me are criticized so harshly. Who among us has not stumbled a little in parenting? The Duggars have stated that they are not "professional parents". They may make some decisions that are perhaps not the best, but I don't think forgetting to pre-order the cake or bring a pair of sneakers is such a terrible thing. I forget things like this all the time and I only have three children to get out of the house. Not trying to be rude, I just think more focus should be on the positive aspects instead of trying to find small things to pick on.

gotsomewheelsnow said...

If the Duggars want to "buy used and save the difference" more power to them, but one item I can't imagine buying used is a pair of shoes. It's just my opinion of course, but there are good, cheap new shoes available. They'd cost more than the $1 thrift store shoes, but wouldn't it be worth it for their childrens' feet? I seem to remember from an earlier show where they went to the thrift shop for shoes they just bought a variety of sizes thinking they'd fit somebody. With that many children that's probably true, but the ones Joy Anna had on sure weren't bought with her in mind.

Hearing that Josh and Anna's baby was on the show makes me wish I hadn't gotten bored and changed the channel.

Anonymous said...

I have to agree with several posters in regard to Jim Bob's awkwardness. He kept shouting "happy birthday Joy!"and "its Joy birthday" like he was trying to remind himself or something.It seemed weird and out of place most of the time.Either that or really bad editing was done.

I also almost lost it when I saw Jordyn with that tiny lollipop.I cringed so hard.This is one of my biggest pet peeves in the world.I hate to see anyone give little children candy unattended especially lollipops.Little children easily swallow and can choke on the stick of a lollipop.As much as I like the Duggars they seem to make a lot of questionable decisions.

MOM IN TEXAS

nccalgal said...

Anonymous 11:54
We post our impressions of the show and comment on the things that we noticed. Sometimes it's just a harmless thought like going to get the cake after the activities had started-no biggie just an observation, but then we see things that are an accident waiting to happen-a baby eating a sucker. If that was the only time we'd seen a hazardous situation we might not be so hard on them, but we have seen Jana cutting ceramic tile and John David cutting on a tree both without any eye protection, kids running around work areas with heavy machinery operating. These aren't parental slip ups, these are accidents waiting to happen. If we didn't care about the kids, we wouldn't be commenting on it.

Enough with the Multiples said...

Things that struck me about this episode:
1. the lollipop: Thought my eyes were playing tricks on me. Can't believe you'd give a baby a lollipop. There is way too much candy/sugar in this family's diet. If they are going to have 19 kids, why not try instilling better nutrition in them--how about bananas, yogart, raisins for snacks for the little ones.

2. JA's interuptions during her homeschool lessons: Did anyone else think that the school age children should be free from the non-school age kids for atleast a few hours a day to get their lessons done in peace. While I don't think we see nearly enough of their homeschooling, I'm having a lot of doubts about Michelle's supervision. Seems that the smaller kids should be engaged in activities to keep them busy while the older kids do their work. Afterall, she does have atleast 3 "graduated" kids still at home with no jobs or college courses to take so it's not like she doesn't have help throughout the day.

Beth said...

The baby wasn't unattended. Everyone was on the bus, including JB and Michelle. I've given my little one a lollipop while supervised. I also give my kids grapes and peanuts too, other "choking hazards". Some parents are more laid back than others, and some prefer to hover and worry over every decision. As parents we need to decide what works for us and what doesn't. This is what works for them, and so far it's been working well.

Anonymous said...

ROTFL

oh those sexy flip flops- yeah can't see the legs heaven forbid but have a peek at my toes!! LOL

Actually Joy would have been better off going barefoot on an INSIDE climbing wall- geesh, didn't really need shoes, not as if it was the great outdoors....seriously folks...

Now the Lollipop was really stupid.
Then again- seems like most of the kids have grown up without any horrible mishaps, so who knows.

The Duggars are a trip LOL

Anonymous said...

It's only a matter of time before something tragic happens. You can only tempt fate for so long. This family has thrown caution to the wind regarding safety, and eventually they will have a tragedy. That Jordyn didn't choke on the lollypop or while being fed big gloppy food while lying down, or cutting tile without safety goggles, or pushing buses while carrying an infant, or chewing crutches, or climbing out of the rafters of a house in building progress...these are just unsafe practices, and every one of us commenting on them is doing it out of care and concern for the Duggar children. It is not just to snark on the Duggars, but to acknowledge some real dangers.

Anonymous said...

I love their new big red bus.

I also loved Jim Bob calling John-David, John Boy. I'm guessing they have seen The Waltons.

Mandy said...

Here's another article about the Duggars being at the Bates last week:

http://www.oakridger.com/news/x255189288/Couple-finds-17-kids-a-blessing

It also takes a lot about the Bates and their early years, very nice article.

Sarah said...

Re: Jim Bob sounding awkward when he kept saying "It's JoyAnna's birthday today." Perhaps it wasn't filmed on the actual day? (think Gosselin Christmas episodes) That's why it was awkward maybe? Just a hypothesis.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 11:54 said...

The Duggars have stated that they are not "professional parents".
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Well, they might not think so, but what else would you call the mother and father of 18 kids with one on the way? Just wondering.

-Katydid

Anonymous said...

Besides the immodest flipflops, does anyone else think it is hypocritical that this supposedly modest family, that won't even allow DANCING or music with a drum beat (and probably no Cabbage patch dolls either), lets their kids play laser tag, with guns?

That is really much more violent and dangerous to the human psyche than any dancing or music!

Sometimes, I really do not understand what the Duggars stand for at all, since they seem to shift ideas with the wind.

pumpkin said...

What a great article about the Bates Family! I was so intrigued that both Gil and Kelly have college educations and Kelly was originally very career minded and wanted only one or two children, but changed her mind to allow God to decide on the number of children. I only hope that both the Duggar and Bates parents will be open to education and career options for their daughters.

It seems that both Michelle and Kelly came later in life to choose this path, whereas their daughters have never known another.

Quadmom said...

It's only a matter of time before something tragic happens. You can only tempt fate for so long. This family has thrown caution to the wind regarding safety, and eventually they will have a tragedy. That Jordyn didn't choke on the lollypop or while being fed big gloppy food while lying down, or cutting tile without safety goggles, or pushing buses while carrying an infant, or chewing crutches, or climbing out of the rafters of a house in building progress...these are just unsafe practices, and every one of us commenting on them is doing it out of care and concern for the Duggar children. It is not just to snark on the Duggars, but to acknowledge some real dangers.

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I really don't understand why everyone thinks everything the Duggars do is a safety issue. None of us who have kids are perfect and we've done PLENTY of things that might be considered unsafe if thousands of other people were watching. Really, chewing on the crutch is SOOO unsafe? Give me a break! My son chews on just about everything he can (he's 4) and he's perfectly fine. You can't sit and hover over your children and stop them from every possible mistake they make.

And Michelle pushing the bus is just getting old. How many more people are going to reference that? I really highly doubt she was actually pushing it, I'm sure it was all in jest and she was pretending. No one is perfect, the Duggars included and I really don't understand the need to be so nit picky about everything they do "wrong". I've got 5 kids and god knows how many times they've jumped off things they shouldn't have, chewed or even eaten things (gasp) that weren't food. While I wonder why Jordyn had a lollipop I think it's safe to say she was likely supervised. We have to remember we don't see everything that happened, only small bits! I'll admit I gave my 11 month old one this year at halloween. I didn't let her run around with it, but she sat and joyfully ate a dum dum, injury free, and she enjoyed it!

I'd rather my kids get a few scrapes adn bruises from goofing around or playing rough then to sit there are constantly look over their shoulder and baby them! I think there are too many people who watch this show for the sole purpose of finding out what the Duggars do wrong or different and come here and point it all out. No one is perfect and I'd imagine if we all had cameras in our house there would be plenty to find! The Duggar children all look happy and healthy and seem to be injury free, and I don't think it's by dumb luck, I think it's because thekids are taken care of and lead happy healthy lives. Yes they eat some junk food, but I see fruits adn veggies in their buffett line just as often and not one of those kids appear overweight. And they spend a lot of time outside running around and burning those calories rather then sitting in front of a tv or a video game! I will continue to find them inspiring and enjoy their show!

Anonymous said...

Joy climbing the rock wall in flip-flops was not the first time I noticed that the kids were "out and about" in inappropriate attire.

At the Christmas parade last year, one of the kids (in fact, it may have been Joy) wore only a light jacket or left their jacket on the bus and made a comment to the effect that she/he was so cold and didn't think it was that cold out (even though it was nighttime and in December).

Then, in the episode where they are playing ice hockey/broomball, one of the little boys is shown wearing, if I remember correctly, what looked to be "crocs", the popular rubber sandals.

You would think that the kid's older buddies (or Jim Bob or Michelle) would give them a once over before allowing them to walk out the door.

All in all, the girls have come a long way from the frilly dresses and large hair bows of "Fourteen Children and Pregnant Again" to the casual denim skirts and permed hair of "18 Kids and Counting". I know the older ones have grown but even the little girls are dressed more casual and "kid-friendly".

Im_in_PR said...

It is not just to snark on the Duggars, but to acknowledge some real dangers.

I agree with that.

I noticed when one of the older boys was cutting down the tree the little kids were all out there watching and holding on the lift as it was raised up. Then branches were falling everywhere. That was worrisome.

Also: letting the baby sleep in the swing, feeding the baby while she was on her back, Jennifer walking around with the long stick swinging it everywhere.

Im_in_PR said...

I really don't understand the need to be so nit picky about everything they do "wrong".

Personally, I find this board to be very balanced. We comment on what we see, whatever that may be.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 4:53, I completely agree about the guns. I don't want to take it too far and be ridiculous, because I know laser tag is just a game, but I've wondered this myself. In an episode I watched the other day (the jurisdiction swap episode), Jana was talking about how one of the younger boys calls himself the "Lone Ranger" because he always runs around with a toy gun shooting everything. They seemed to all think it was cute. When I was younger, we had a dress up box with some Western wear and a toy gun, and to some extent yes, it is harmless. But a game like laser tag definitely has the potential, in my opinion, to be more "harmful to their minds" than dancing, especially certain types of dancing - worship, ballet, etc. Not that I'm saying laser tag is bad at all, but it's a heck of a lot more "bad" than most dancing.
-Christina

Anonymous said...

Sarah - I would agree with you but for the fact that JB said "12 years ago today, you were born," so I think it's safe to say that at least MOST of the episode was filmed on Joy's actual birthday.

Im_in_PR said...

Christina said "Not that I'm saying laser tag is bad at all, but it's a heck of a lot more "bad" than most dancing.

Why is laser tag bad?

Anonymous said...

Im in PR - Oh, I don't believe laser tag is "bad." I was just comparing it to dancing as the previous poster had :) Just in terms of how the Duggars talk about what dancing does for the minds and bodies of their kids. It's not that I have a problem with laser tag, it's just a comparison, and it seems that the Duggars would have a problem with it, based on their logic about dancing and other things. I'm just surprised that they don't. But I love the Duggars, don't get me wrong.
-Christina

Anonymous said...

" Michelle seems to be being awfully quiet with the details about this baby.No one actually seems to be mentioning or discussing the baby much"

Maybe Michelle and JB want the focus to be on Josh and Anna and their new daughter, rather than themselves. Also I have to wonder if maybe they have read some negative comments(people can be mean at times) on boards like this and decided to not make a big deal about the new baby until it is born.
Granted they wanted to do this television show, I can imagine at times all the attention can be a bit too much at times. There must be some days where they must wish the cameras would just go away!

Im_in_PR said...

It's not that I have a problem with laser tag, it's just a comparison, and it seems that the Duggars would have a problem with it, based on their logic about dancing and other things.I think they view dancing as leading to lustful feelings. Probably couldn't say the same for laser tag....

Anonymous said...

I'm in PR, good point about laser tag. You always make good points on this blog. You're right that laser tag has nothing to do with lust. I guess I assumed they would have problems with it for one reason or another. I guess I was wrong.
-Christina

Diane. said...

For those who feel that some viewers are just "nitpicky" and wanting to somehow criticize the Duggars for no reason:

They chose to put themselves in the national spotlight, but having their lives portrayed in a reality tv show. In doing so, they open themselves up to critique and comment, exactly as any other "celebrity", including Kate G or Brittany Spears. If people want total privacy, they need to stay out of the public eye. It is really very easy.

There is hypocrisy in the family and things that they do that don't make sense, based on their very strict rules in some areas and extreme laxness in others. The safety concerns are real ones, and it really isn't because some of us consider ourselves to be "perfect mothers", or anything of the sort. It's just that those of us with the number of children that we can properly raise, discipline and supervise, are a bit horrified that the younger ten are running around in chaos, seemingly without being any proper parental supervision (Jim Bob and Michelle are too busy holding hands and kissing to actually pay any attention whatsoever to their giant brood) or educated properly.

Plus, there are so many actual safety violations/ The little kids unsupervised and running around the tree cutting, house building etc being the most obviously egregious but the poor footwear, manners (spitting pickles, eating off the floor, eating with their hands, etc) babies sucking lollypops, sleeping in swings, feeding lying down (which Michelle herself has done, not one of the mother "buddies") just make no sense for any mother with common sense, and you'd certainly expect a mother of 18 with another on the way to have common sense. Their junk food diet is the least of the problems, although it is a miracle no one is fat, the way they eat.

Maybe laser tag doesn't cause lustful feelings but guns bring up violent images. Why is protecting against lust more important than protecting against violence? Violence is a horrific part of our society, and one would think that the parents would go to great lengths to protect against that, as opposed to innocent dancing or music, which is a beautiful mode of expression.

imaamy said...

Most awkward moment: JB holding his baby and granddaughter and saying, "Grandma is pregnant!" Ugh.

Now about the new baby, the little sign in the corner of the screen said she was pregnant in addition to JB proudly proclaiming it.

Gracie said...

Quad mom-
Thank you for saying everything I was thinking!

nccalgal said...

I can agree with Quad Mom as far as the little things that seem to horrify some-the chewing on the crutch and the staged scenes of Michelle pushing on the bus and Anna sitting with Josh in the driver's seat of the bus, kids riding skateboards and bicycles without pads on their knees and elbows since they are not riding out on a street-aren't things that I would cite as dangerous, but total lack of basic safety procedures when using power tools and heavy equipment is tempting fate. I strongly believe in God's providential protection, but I don't send my child running into the street when I see a car coming. I blame TLC as much as the Duggars, after all, they are filming and directing these snippets of Duggar life which at least technically makes it a workplace and could subject them to OSHA rules and even worker's comp liability.

MomOfThree said...

Quadmom said...

I really don't understand why everyone thinks everything the Duggars do is a safety issue.

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I'm not sure what others really think about these issues, but for myself, personally, it just seems that the Duggars go so far to the extreme with some things that when they seem to "ignore" or have no problem with others, it strikes me as sort of odd.

For example:

Michelle, in their book, is all about organization (weeding out, labeled file boxes, etc) and yet they only realize they have to buy Joy a cake while they are at the celebration.

They are totally against dancing (for reasons they have yet to make completely clear..."It is not good for you to jump around...", "It can be lustful."), yet little boys playing with guns and "shooting the bad people, the dog and cat" (paraphrasing Jana in an episode) is okay. Shoot-em-up and war video games would undoubtedly fall into their scope of "no-no's" but old-fashioned cap guns, videos of guys on horses, and shooting your family on the opposing laser-team tag does not.

Their children are their ultimate priority (and I do believe that they are), but the kids' education beyond the "three r's" is sorely lacking; there seems to be children running wild and very little supervision these days (probably due to a combination of the six youngest boys and Johanna getting older and the older girls, perhaps "getting out" of the house more while babysitting, volunteering, attending retreats, etc); kids not being properly "dressed" for activities.

Granted, we all do things differently. What might shock me, may not cause you to even raise an eyebrow and vice-versa. It just seems to me that in many cases they are making mountains out of mole hills, while in other cases it makes no matter to them. They contradict themselves or "adjust" their reasoning when it suits them. I, for one, would much rather see Johanna "dancing around" than swinging from bunkbeds and hanging on the ladder to the boys' loft, with what appeared to be only the cameraman present to supervise.

These are just my own observations. For the record, I am not opposed to cap guns, laser tag, dancing, video games, etc and getting a cake last minute is not a huge deal, yet again, I am not writing books or on TV telling the world of my convictions and not always living up to them.

Im_in_PR said...

For those who feel that some viewers are just "nitpicky" and wanting to somehow criticize the Duggars for no reason:

Personally, I like the Duggars. But I also like to nitpick about the show, and what I see that I disagree with, like Gothardism and feeding a baby that is laying on its back.

Call me crazy.

Im_in_PR said...

MomOfThree said...I am not writing books or on TV telling the world of my convictions and not always living up to them.

What convictions to you think they have voiced that they are not living up to?

Im_in_PR said...

Shoot-em-up and war video games would undoubtedly fall into their scope of "no-no's" but old-fashioned cap guns, videos of guys on horses, and shooting your family on the opposing laser-team tag does not.

I see a huge difference between those things. The video games of today that are "shoot em up" and war video games are extremely graphic and violent to an extreme never seen before in the history of modern man. You "shoot" someone and the lifelike graphics explode the "person, blood, guts and body parts." Nothing is "blurred out." They are sickening.

For instance, in regards to a recently released VERY POPULAR war video game, Call of Duty, Modern Warfare a news article says, "It contains such scenes of brutality that even the manufacturers have put in warnings within the game telling people how they can skip particular scenes..."

So playing a once a year game of laser tag where you are running and jumping and being active seems a LOT DIFFERENT than being entirely passive while a violent video game feeds images of bodies exploding into a young persons mind.

But that's just me.

Remember this is a TV SHOW said...

People this is a show - maybe the cake was ordered that day because it was comped or maybe it was an ad - can't remember if they showed the name. They need to set up permission to film in the store before - you can't just show up with a camera crew.

Whether the baby was supervised or not the lollipop was a bad idea. I can just see a new mom giving a lollipop to a baby since the Duggars do it she can too.

And why is everyone so happy that someone may be engaged - they are what 20 years old? Maybe the kids should try to live independant/get jobs first before popping out a slew of kiddos.

And this is duggars without pity - a place you can critize them.

Anonymous said...

I think the point about laser tag is that it may lead to violent tendencies (assuming the same logic as dancing leading to lust). Not sure why lust is less desireable than violence.

Im_in_PR said...

I blame TLC as much as the Duggars, after all, they are filming and directing these snippets of Duggar life which at least technically makes it a workplace and could subject them to OSHA rules and even worker's comp liability.

I hope and pray that this happens just because I think kids should be taken off reality TV. As much as I like the Duggars, it just isn't ok for anyone's childhood to be sold. I'm over it.

Anonymous said...

MomofThree - I think what you said pretty much sums up what I was trying to articulate in my post about laser tag v. dancing. I'm not opposed to laser tag or those other things either, but I just can't understand the Duggars' logic for defining what is "bad" and "good" for their kids. We all have our preferences, but I would much rather have my children taking a ballet class or my toddlers bouncing around to music than "running around shooting everything."

We aren't all perfect parents, but I think the reason we discuss these things about the Duggars is first of all, they chose to have 18(soon 19) kids. I think most of us are simply concerned that they can't handle this many children safely. Also, even if we, ourselves aren't perfect, who is it hurting to bring up child safety issues when we see them? We aren't saying we've never made these mistakes. We are just trying to bring attention and awareness to them (like the baby with the sucker).

I agree about Johanna swinging from the beds. This is basically what I was trying to say. Dancing and laser tag or dancing and safety don't directly have anything to do with each other, but they DO make mountains out of mole hills (as you said) about some things being "bad" for their children, yet they are neglecting to notice the things that actually ARE bad for them, like playing around unsupervised or running around near big machinery. It's just inconsistent that they care SO much about their kids' well-being that they won't allow them to dance, but they don't bother to take basic safety precautions. I just wish they would apply that same concern they have about dancing (although I disagree with it) to the areas of their childrens lives where they could REALLY be harmed. I think this shows that the Duggars aren't using any sort of logic at all when making their decisions. Dancing is probably something that Gothard bans so, without knowing exactly why, they ban dancing while allowing "running around shooting everything" and swinging from high places unsupervised.
-Christina

Jane in California said...

I'm curious - what sort of parent is a "professional parent"? It seems to me that there is no such thing, unless you mean a person who gets paid to become a parent, but then again - that's a surrogate and they hand off the child once born.

Parents have the responsibility to look out for the well being of their children, whether you consider yourself a pro or not. Especially when the child is very young -- much supervision is needed.

I think from the comments it sounds like Michelle is really feeling tired and a bit worn during this pregnancy. That's not one bit surprising, considering how many she's had and her age. Also, she doesn't allow much "rest" time between having a baby and getting pregnant with another. I hope this pregnancy goes well and she takes it a bit easier, if necessary, than she did with her other pregnancies.

I don't agree with giving a toddler a sucker. When my son was that age, I would let him have an occasional lick or two of a sucker, but I held it and I also limited his sugar intake fairly strictly. It made him hyper. After a few licks, the sucker was "all gone" and he got some thin sliced apples to munch on, or a graham cracker for a little sweetness.

I'm not picking on M or JB for this -- but I do think it's an indication of how hard it is to watch out for your young children when you have sooooo many. I hope the sucker was just an accident, maybe given to the baby by a sibling, and that JB and M normally would not allow such a thing.

Anonymous said...

As someone who really enjoyed the Duggars 'specials' before the TV series came out, I am wondering if there can be too much of a good thing.

As a Christian I really appreciated seeing a Christian family on network TV, it was such a welcome change.

But...

the more I watch the episodes, the more odd I find them. There has been speculation as to whether or not they follow Gothard and the Quiverfull movement, maybe those thoughts are the filters I see and hear the Duggars through.

After the new episode the re-peat of the race was on. There was a part where JimBob made the statement that they were studying the scripture and found in Isaiah where showing one's thighs was the same as showing your nakedness. I guess it was the way JB said that it made me think the focus wasn't really on the scripture but on "look what I found" Pointing people (his children) not to the Bible but to him (JB)

I don't know, maybe I am misintrepreting what he is saying, maybe it's regional.

And for all that explanation about not wearing shorts, that doesn't really explain why they were wearing jeans. They certainly could have worn sweat pants or track pants.

As much as I like the Duggars, sometimes I just don't "get" them.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone else noticed how Josh was so into that birthday cake?

Jimbob's on a diet, Josh should join too, for his own health.

Mandy said...

My thoughts on them getting the cake at the last minute...
The laser tag and/or rock climbing place may not have been near their home. Maybe they were afraid that a cake wouldn't do well sitting out for so long and decided to get one while they were out. They probably knew that the one bakery was near wherever they were going at that they could send a couple of the older kids out on an excursion to get it. I doubt that it was lack of planning that made the cake situation work out the way it did.

Also, given the fact that the cake and presents ended up being done at their house even though they took the presents with them makes me think that they weren't able to get a table or place to do those at the Laser Tag place. Maybe the laser tag place wasn't willing to provide them with plates and forks or didn't have an open room.

Or maybe they planned on doing the cake at home and really did just forget to buy the cake the day before. Who knows? =D

Ms. B said...

Quadmom, I completely agree!

Anonymous said...

Whenever someone has a critique or comment about the Duggars that isn't all rosy (and hey---when they expose themselves to criticism by selling out their children's childhoods, that's the price one pays!), others here just say, "Turn off the program if it bothers you." or "You don't have to watch it".

Of course we don't have to watch it. I like to, because I am personally curious by nature, and I am also a consistent person, so inconsistencies and hypocrisy are obvious and I am curious about those too. The Duggars are getting more and more inconsistent and hypocritical, so I am even more curious what will happen to them. I don't want them to divorce like the Gosselins (and don't expect that they will), but I do want them to go off the air, before they ruin their family completely.

Actually though, with 10 unsupervised little kids running around and wreaking havoc, they may be ruined whether or not there was TV. I just think that before the show, Michelle probably had a better handle on things, and has just given up all control completely. They really did seem to be more organized and structured before the show, so the show has ruined the family, in that way (among others).

Sharla said...

The nasty crack of just don't watch is not in accordance with the blog commenting rules and was removed.

Im_in_PR said...

Anonymous said...

I think the point about laser tag is that it may lead to violent tendencies (assuming the same logic as dancing leading to lust). Not sure why lust is less desireable than violence.

Maybe it's the time factor. Lust gets all over you right quick when busting a move but it would take years of constant laser tag playing to turn one into a violent individual, if that is indeed possible.

MomOfThree said...

Im_in_PR said...

MomOfThree said...I am not writing books or on TV telling the world of my convictions and not always living up to them.

What convictions to you think they have voiced that they are not living up to?

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In response to your question, I guess I mean that they seem to contradict themselves quite often and when it suits their needs. I find this to be true between what I have read in their book and also what is shown on TV.

For instance, Michelle states in great detail (several pages) in the book on the how-to's of getting and the benefits of staying organized, but Joy's cake was bought last minute. Earth shattering? Certainly not. Poor planning on the part of an organized family with several "grown-ups" (mom, dad, grandma, Jana, John, Jill, Amy) at the helm? You betcha.

Jim Bob and Michelle have stated many times that they are most concerned with preparing the children for "real life", yet they don't appear to encourage higher education of any kind, even (and especially) for those interested in having their own businesses.

They don't allow television watching, but they have a TV show.

They are frugal with their money and shop for nearly everything but food at thrift stores; however, Jim Bob paid $77 for he and Jana to join WW. He also said that too many Mountain Dews and Reese's contributed to his joining, so obviously, he finds some extra funds to satisfy his sweet tooth. A story on this subject that really stuck out for me was one told by Michelle in the book. She said how they lived very frugally, saved every penny they could and bought only what was absolutely necessary. They even quoted scripture about thriftiness. Jana had a little pink blanket and Jill wanted one also. Jill already had a blanket, Michelle said, and to buy another one when Jill already had one would "clearly be a want and not a need". Fortunately, Jim Bob found a pink blanket in the back seat of a car he was towing to be demolished, Michelle washed it and Jill got her wish. I can't imagine that a small child's blanket would cost more than a few dollars, but nevertheless, it was not "needed", so it was not purchased. On the other hand, in another chapter, Michelle says how she "splurged" and bought many cardboard file boxes to organize things and then in another chapter, they were in need of a vacuum cleaner and miraculously were offered and bought one for $200. An inexpensive baby blanket was a luxury not to be afforded, yet office file boxes and a $200 vacuum were purchases that could be justified.

There are other observations I could list, but you get the point I am making. Yes, I do often find that they say one thing and do another. Most folks are guilty of that every now and
again but I sometimes get the impression that the Duggars feel their ways are the best and they just tolerate and accept those who are different. Maybe it is the eye rolling the kids do, such as at the school or the restaurant while the dancing was going on or their "explanation" of cousin Amy but they sometimes come off as a bit haughty, IMO.

Anonymous said...

Im in PR - you ask how many opportunities a person really has to dance in his/her everyday life... I understand what you're saying. However, the thing that bothers me isn't so much that they aren't allowed to take formal dance lessons, dance at bars, etc. It's that even the little children aren't allowed to "move" to music without being told to stop. In the episode at the Ethiopian restaurant, Johanna starts clapping and bouncing around to the music, and Michelle "corrects" her. There have been other episodes like this, too, where they claim the children are "jumping for joy." Anyway... I get your point about not making such a big deal out of not being able to engage in the hobby of dancing - but it's more than that. Even innocent toddlers who don't know what they're doing are thought of as doing something "Bad" when they are caught bouncing around or moving their bodies. I think this is what disturbs people. Or the idea that all music with a drum beat is "bad" even if it's Christina music. It just doesn't make sense. I've also heard plenty of music with lustful lyrics that have no drums at all!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 3:35 said that she believes the show has ruined the family. Is it really just the show or could it also be that there are too many kids to keep track of? Could it also be that the kids have gotten older. Hence they are more likely to influence changes in the family.

Im_in_PR said...

Given as an example of a conviction not lived up to:

"For instance, Michelle states in great detail (several pages) in the book on the how-to's of getting and the benefits of staying organized, but Joy's cake was bought last minute. Earth shattering? Certainly not. Poor planning on the part of an organized family with several "grown-ups" (mom, dad, grandma, Jana, John, Jill, Amy) at the helm? You betcha."
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Was it stated that someone forgot the cake and it was last minutes because of that? I didn't pay attention while the whole episode was on.

Perhaps it was planned so that they could film it and have something else to shove in that episode besides kids climbing a plastic rock wall. Who knows? But it doesn't fall into the realm of dishonoring a conviction in my book. But that's just me.

Im_in_PR said...

An inexpensive baby blanket was a luxury not to be afforded, yet office file boxes and a $200 vacuum were purchases that could be justified.

These things happened over a period of time as their financial situation changed?

Im_in_PR said...

They don't allow television watching, but they have a TV show.

This one I will agree with you on.

I think they have good intentions about wanting to share their faith and the idea to make a little money if they can, nothing wrong with that in and of itself.

But if they are going to preach that TV is wrong, then being on TV is wrong also.

Betty said...

The cake thing didn't seem disorganized at all. That bakery obviously has cakes prepared for walk-ins just like most of the bakeries near me. As long as you aren't picky, you can find something that will work and they are ready to add the wording you want.

Anonymous said...

I was much more bothered about Joy's flip flops on the climbing wall and Jordyn's lollypop, but the last minute cake pickup just shows that they really have too many kids to plan properly. In the long run, I don't think it made a bit of difference to JoyAnna, who seemed to really love her birthday party, even that horrid pink bag, which wasn't at all appropriate for a 12 year old (too big, too matronly...but Joy loved it, so it doesn't matter what we think!).

However....a well organized person (or one who has purported herself to be, like Michelle) would never have "punted" on a cake. Of course a bakery would always have one ready that could be decorated with a name at the last minute. But that isn't the point. It just shows that the family really is in a bit over their heads with too many kids. I don't think the kids care, but one day they will watch themselves and wonder about a whole lot of things.

Anonymous said...

I didn't see this episode, so correct me if I'm mistaken. But from what I understand (from this blog and commercials) They fed Jordyn a lollipop and it looked like they gave her some birthday cake.

This may seem picky, but I am a dietitian, and you should never feed that amount of simple sugar to a baby under age 1. Not only was it a choking hazard with the lollipop, but there is no room in a young baby's diet for candy and cake. I am not "against" occasional junk food for younger kids. I just think it is irresponsible to feed a baby that kind of junk. We learn cravings as babies, and miss Jordyn will certainly have a sweet tooth.

Go To College said...

I don't understand all this "rooting" for JohnDavid or Jana to be engaged, whether it's to a Bates child or anyone else.

They are barely out of their teens, why the rush to get them married off ?

Anonymous said...

I think we all know that Jana and John David will never be allowed to go to college, get a job, or pursue an outside interest, at least as long as they are under Jim Bob and Michelle's thumb.

My suspicion is that the "rooting" to see an engagement is so that we could at least see 20 year olds do something outside of their house, chores, and caring for their siblings. Something about seeing those two on that baby train at the Ostrich place, a train meant for toddlers, was really sad. At least if they marry, they possibly could make some decisions on their own, and possibly do some age-appropriate activities, even reading something they want to or going to a movie with their spouse (rather it be friends, but anything to get those two out a bit).

Susan said...

A few comments. My daughter ate ramen noodles for several years for breakfast. She loved it and it was easy to make.She is a nontraditional breakfast eater; pizza, pasta, chicken soup etc.

If I recall during one of the first specials the family said they celebrate all the birthdays for that month at one time. They showed them making an ice cream cake. Now they have fancy (for them) parties. Joy Anna said near the end of the episode that this was her first birhtday party. TLC influence?

SuzanneDeAZ said...

It is not hypocritical to have standards for modesty and yet allow children to play with laser. One has nothing to do with the other. You are comparing apples to oranges.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Just because someone chooses to buy used and saved the difference does not mean they will not choose to buy candy or soft drinks. After all how can you buy food or drinks used? One has nothing to do with the other.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Having someone buy the cake in what may seem to be the last minute does not mean one is not organized in the operation of the home. I bought a cake at the last minute on the way to a birthday part just a few weeks ago. No biggie when you know that there are bakeries and stores which you can buy cakes premade. Also maybe Amy said she was going to buy the cake and decided she wanted that part filmed so that is the way she did it. Who knows why they did it the way they did but it does not nullify that Michelle does not run an organized home. Again one things does not have to do with another.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Again the logic of comparing one thing to another is not the same. Just because they are on TV does not mean they now have to allow TV taking up time in their home. One really does not have to do with the other.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

So one can build a case that by choosing to buy the cake the day of the party is the basis to say there have too many kids? How is that? My sister has only a few grandchildren to care for yet I went out and bought one of her granddaughters a cake the day of her party. In fact I picked it up on the way to the party. Wow, maybe she should not be a grandmother as life just seems to be way over her head.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I can just see someone going to court and making a case that a family just has too many kids to care for on the basis that they bought a birthday cake the day of the party. Any judge in his/her right mind would agree with this premise and demand that the family stop having children!

Diane. said...

Michelle USED to run an organized house. If you watch the 14 children special from five years ago, things were very organized. There wasn't the chaos that reigns in that house today. So, while I don't doubt that Michelle used to be organized, she is no longer, and the late cake buying may or may not be the result of this laxness that too many kids to raise properly has brought upon her.

Also, I think that if dancing is "lustful", laser tag is "violent". This family seems preoccupied with sex and all things related, but violence is much more dangerous. Rather than correct the children who "move", Michelle and Jim Bob should remove all violent images and gestures from their home and activities. Yelling NIKE every time a woman in a low cut blouse walks by, while allowing running around with toy guns and shooting at each other doesn't make any sense. It may be "apple and oranges", but it still shows some very odd priorities as to what th Duggars get all hot under the collar about.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Lasser tag may not be violence to many people. Many people see nothing wrong with laser tag as many people think nothing wrong with dancing. Each person gets to decide what is right and wrong for them. Having one choose one over the other does not mean a person is inconsistent. Maybe in your mind laster tag is a sign of violence and worse than dancing which the Duggars believe leads to lustful thoughts and actions.

Now if the family thought dancing led to lustful thoughts or activities and they themselves participates in lustful dancing that would be hyprcrital. You are still comparing things that are not like to being one and the same as they are both on the same level of being "bad".

Anonymous said...

I don't think anyone thinks that laser tag and dancing are the same. I think we just wish that the Duggars would place more of an importance on shielding their kids from things that could actually hurt them in the long run than on toddlers jumping up and down.

Anonymous said...

Regarding laser tag, I've never played, but it appears to be a modern version of "Cops & Robbers" more than "tag." I can't help but go back to the Duggar house guidelines & those character qualities. I guess to me, these don't go with laser tag.

Never raise a hand to hit.
Never raise a foot to kick.
Never raise an object to throw.
Never raise a voice to yell.
Never raise an eye to scowl.

Laser tag just seems as though it would not fit into the Duggar value system.

Jane in California said...

I'm not picking on Michelle by saying she's no longer as organized as she once was. It's the truth though. She and JB have so many kids, and so many young ones at that, plus she's getting older (and let's face it, when we get older, we have less energy to cope than we used to), that it doesn't surprise me to see that organization is not at the forefront anymore.

I truly hope this is her last child. I think she's possibly overtaxing her body and it's more important to take care of the ones you already have than risk your life or health to have more, and then maybe not be able to take care of any of them. I sincerely believe God does not want that to happen, but he needs help sometimes from his followers to use some common sense and maybe a little self-restraint.

Joanna said...

I've been thinking how the Duggars and other families like them, asumming the Bates and the Wilson's don't dance either. However, both the Bates and the Wilson's play up-beat bluegrass music which is real popular to dance to in the south and west and makes alot of people want to dance. Bluegrass music sure dose get my feet taping and swaying.

As for the episode itself, I liked for the most part. I used to wear flip-flops alot but I quit wearing them two years ago when I discovered how bad they could damage my feet. I think it was Jim Bob or Michelle who said it, but someone said that Joy was at home in the arcade. I definitly think the hot pink was the perfect gift for her!

jennylyn in virginia said...

Laser tag is not violent-- there is no pain, chance of pain-- unless you trip- blood or anything of the sort. It is not mean, there are two teams competing so perhaps it is competitive and the Duggars seem to like to compete, but how is this against their values written in the earlier episode?

They are clearly better off financially so why not have a little more fun with their kids and celebrate birthdays a little more extravagantly? TLC has probably helped, but so what? They are still fun to watch!

Anonymous said...

Jane - I think about the same thing. I'm sure God wouldn't let anything happen to Michelle so there's not much point in wondering, but, I have to admit I've caught myself thinking "What would happen if Michelle died in childbirth or something and left 19 kids behind?" I'm sure it won't happen but honestly...what if.

Anonymous said...

I would have thought one of the older girls that likes to cook would have made the cake in advance.It would have been easy to make and store,what with the industrial kitchen.NBD though.It's only a cake,and we don't know what all else was on their agenda during that time.
I agree,they have been awfully quiet about baby #19.I hope all is well.They should be announcing the sex soon,shouldn't they?

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I believe they announced that they were going to have a girl.

I do not know what all of the talk is about the cake. Did you ever think that perhaps Amy wanted to provide the cake and did so? Just because some of the girls cook does not mean they are to make the cake. It maybe Amy's birthday gift to her cousin or just a nice thing to do.

I wonder said...

Jane said:
I'm sure God wouldn't let anything happen to Michelle.
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I like Michelle very much and I think that she is a wonderful mom. But in my opinion we can't predict what her fate may be. I wish the best things in life for her also but I don't think that she is any more protected from lifes events then any other person.

mythreesons said...

Many of us played "war" and other shoot 'em up games, as well as water gun fights when we were young and we didn't all end up as gun totin' gangsters. I would be more concerned if they were playing one of the graphic video games. I've known parents who refused to allow their child to have toys the "promote violence" and the child uses his pointer finger or a twig as a gun or sword.
As far as having a home-baked cake for Joyanna's birthday; it's a special day and having a store-bought decorated cake is just one way that says that. If they didn't bake cakes at home on a regular basis and only for birthdays, then that would be different, but if they have cake at other times, then it's just another cake.

Anonymous said...

We often buy a cake the same day as a birthday. There are so many good places to quickly buy a really nice one anymore, always fresh and available, and have it personalized, that we don't think a thing about it. It's just a matter of convenience and time, has nothing to do with thinking about the person or the birthday. Sometimes we stop by, other times we will call ahead, even on the same day. It's just not a big deal. We are far more concerned about acknowledging the person than we are about whether we took a week to think about a cake.

My kids play laser tag and love it. They see it as a challenging game; maybe some kid or adult with emotional issues or something might see it as something more, but your average kid knows it's not for target practice. Your kids and your values determine responses to activities like that. Same with things like paintball. Or even hunting.

I don't recall them talking that much ahead of time about other babies, actually, only much closer to the due date. Maybe I just don't remember, though?

Diane. said...

Bad things happen to people. I don't know why God would protect Michelle any more than any of the other people who suffer tragedy or unfortunate events. So, there is no way one could say that "God wouldn't let anything happen to Michelle". We can hope and pray that she will be fine, but IMO, she is simply tempting the fates with these continued pregnancies, both at her age, and with three prior C-sections.

There should come a time when common sense should prevail. It seems common sense is sadly lacking in the Duggar household, and I do hope that Michelle has this baby safely, and then STOPS having children.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Boys will use fingers or sticks for pretend shoot. One of my favorite cames as a child was cowboys and Indians. I have no qualms about having toy guns for children to play with. I do not think any of this promotes violence. The Duggars know how to play and play well and it does not make them have more tendancy to go out and harms someone. I did not see any anger in them during the time they were on the show. It was just fun, nothing more.

cdms said...

I enjoyed this eppy. I don't watch the show & nit pick. I don't let the Duggars lifestyle choices or parenting skills bother me. I just watch the show. Who am I to judge? I enjoy this family for who & what they stand for.

Jane in California said...

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Boys will use fingers or sticks for pretend shoot.

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Have you got that right! I was/am one of those parents who did not want to buy a toy guy for my son and I never did. He could have squirt guns though, and a nerf gun that shoots rubber-tipped soft darts. So that's sort of the same thing. I mainly didn't want my son to have anything that looked like a real gun.

For all my good intentions, he used his finger to point and pretend shoot, or he made other weapons. It appears to be quite a natural instinct, as it wasn't fostered in the home or seen on tv.

I don't think laser tag is inherently violent or dangerous, although I think paintball is. However, I can see the confusion it might cause some of us viewers - to see them dead set against dancing but have no qualms about laser tag. I am sorry they feel that dancing to music is a sin -- I think it can be one of the most beautiful gifts we've been given - the ability to interpret and tell a story with music and dance.

I have picked up a birthday cake on the way to a party, but I've always ordered it ahead of time. I'm too much of a worrier to trust that they'd have a cake that would "make do." A child's birthday comes but once a year -- calling a week ahead to reserve his or her favorite kind of cake (or planning and buying the ingredients to make it) should be something that is on the calendar of "things to do." I'm just glad to hear that it all worked out and the birthday girl had a good time on her special day.

Sweetleaf said...

Regarding the cake, I think I remember in another one of the birthday episodes (skating party maybe?) Amy arrived with the cake, and I thought Michelle said something about that being something Amy usually did when one of the kids had a birthday; brought the cake any balloons. Does anyone else remember that? So maybe she always does that?

Also, I live in an ashram, and the kids here (who have no toy guns) often play "shooting games" (usually Star Wars related). I would never ever buy a toy gun for a child, and it does make me cringe to see the little Duggarlings with them, but I do think that most kids (at least those who've been exposed to popular culture in some way--even--or maybe especially--if it's the pop-culture of 30/40 years ago.

Enough with the cake said...

The cake was either paid for by TLC or buying the cake was a commercial. It was planned people - do you think cameras just randomly show up at stores?

Anonymous said...

Every component of these episodes is planned. That is why it is nearly scripted, and not "reality".

andimominil said...

I honestly thought the cake scenario was done intentionally so it would be a suprise for Joy Anna. After all - there isn't anywhere in a house with 18 kids that you could hide a cake (and especially keep little fingers out of it!)

I think the thing I like about the Duggars the most is they are real and they are NOT perfect! Yes, they have a lot of beliefs out of the mainstream, but those are real kids who are enjoying their childhoods running around and playing together. As far as their 'safety hazards' - to each his own - their kids are different, they are raised different and while it may be dangerous for some kids to run around a construction sight, remember that most of the Duggar kids GREW UP on a construction sight building their home! The very youngest need to be supervised, but the vast majority of them are probably street smart enough to stay out of the way. I live on a farm and grew up playing around farm machinery and riding in tractors and combines and I'm still alive. My brother was 4 years old and mowing the lawn on a riding lawn mower! He was very mature for his age, and my parents sat out in the yard and watched him (with the belief that it was better that he is ON the mower than UNDER it!)- but he was still in preschool mowing 3 acres of grass and loved every minute of it. I know 16 year olds who've been forbidden to drive a riding mower their entire life because they might get 'hurt' and then handed a drivers license and a brand new sports car - THAT is irresponsible in my opinion! You have to take the things they let their kids do in context and understand that they live a different life than most of urban/suburban America. Just because kids play with toy guns does not mean they will become violent individuals - if that was the case, then several hundred years ago on the prairie where guns were found (gasp - NOT LOCKED UP) in cabins everyone would have turned out violent. You teach them to be responsible with a gun, just like you teach them to be responsible for themselves when playing outside when tree work/construction is going on etc.

That's a big problem with our society today - rather than taking the time to teach children right from wrong, it's just easier to not let them do anything where they might get hurt, or might get messy. I teach sunday school and I'm regularly astounded at the kids who say they have never finger painted because it's 'messy' or who come to tears because they got sidewalk chalk on their pants & their parents will be mad at them. In fact my son's daycare teacher was shocked when I told her that I would only bring him wearing playclothes, and that I didn't care what he looked like when he came home - all of the other parents send separate sets of clothes. I guess I'm lucky, my 2 year old is the kind that is fully washable :-) Kids aren't allowed to be kids anymore, they are expected to be minature adults. I think the Duggars do a good job of letting their kids live happy and fun childhoods while at the same time promoting responsibility and work ethic by assigning them chores.

Anyway, just my opinion...

Diane said...

There's a rather large difference between teaching children to use safety goggles and not to climb around a construction site (and these are only some of the most egregious safety concerns; one could write a chapter of a book on all the rest of them!) and chalk on pants.

Parents can and should be safety conscious; it's foolish to ride bikes without helmets or ride without seatbelts, even if many of us grew up that way (and some never grew up, because they died of head injuries or got thrown from cars and killed). There are some risks that are just foolish, and allowing kids to hang from construction equipment or not to wear the proper safetywear is just misguided.

It isn't overprotective, in the slightest, to not allow ones children in extremely dangerous situations. In fact, it makes a whole lot more sense for them to be kept safe, than to worry about yelling NIKE if a woman in a low cut shirt walks by! One has the potential to be devastating, in terms of injury or worse, and what is the worst danger of the other? "Defrauding"?