Tues, November 24, GrandDuggar - First Month

You saw the announcement. You saw the birth. Now check in with Josh, Anna, and the first GrandDuggar to see how the new family of three is doing just a month after Mackynzie was born.

30 minutes

92 comments:

SuzanneDeAZ said...

wow. already a month. I wonder how big she is at this time.

Sandra said...

Oh no...another kid to 'gosslin-ize'...

NO MINOR CHILDREN BELONG ON REALITY TV SHOWS.

period.

(I am not a prude, but even I wouldn't want any of my children's births on tv....that is a family moment, and shouldn't be shared with strangers--YUK)

Anonymous said...

I'm excited to see this episode, I wonder how Josh and Anna are adjusting to their new life.

I really hope Anna is getting enough of rest.

gotsomewheelsnow said...

I'm excited to see the baby, but feel guilty to be part of her exploitation. Actually, these TLC reality family shows are getting old. The Duggars used to interest me since they were people who lived differently than most of us and certainly had more children than most of us. Lately though,it seems they're letting TLC film too much of their private lives. I don't know maybe I'm just becoming jaded to all this, but it just doesn't sit right that they're putting yet another newborn baby in front of the TV lights. That has to be a frightening experience for a little one with all the lights and heat and people scurrying around and so forth.

Maybe I shouldn't be too concerned though, since it'll probably be mostly Josh and his parenting advice.

Diane said...

I don't think these small children (and absolutely NO babies!!) should be on reality television! The bright lights alone are upsetting to most infants, and it is so wrong to have them in the spotlight like that!

Most celebrities go to great lengths to protect their children from the spotlight, and it shows maturity on their part (of course, some celebrities do not show such restraint). I think there should be laws protecting children from so much TV exposure. Poor baby MacKenzye! She should be home sleeping, not under hot lights for all of America to see!

Anonymous said...

I believe the Duggars do have air conditioning.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

They do have air conditioning now but when they moved in their home they went one or two summers without it because they waited till they had cash before installing it.

Nik said...

I wonder if Josh and Anna will carry on a tradition of naming all their kids with an "M" name.

Anonymous said...

Air conditioning isn't the point. Babies and small children should not have their lives filmed for "reality" TV. They should not have cameras in their faces and under hot lights, whether or not the house itself is cool. As minors, they did not make the choice to have their lives filmed, and someone needs to protect them, since their parents obviously won't (and this goes for ALL reality TV parents, who all bask in the glory of TLC money, at the expense of their children's privacy)l

winsomeone said...

"They do have air conditioning now but when they moved in their home they went one or two summers without it because they waited till they had cash before installing it."

But, do Josh and Anna have a/c? Wouldn't they film the baby in her own home, instead of at the compound?

Hannah said...

I was annoyed by Joshs comment about her crying being for nothing .She is just a weak old and was not happy being in the car seat. I hope Josh isnt leaving her to all the parenting alone.

Anonymous said...

I loved that part when Anna's mom arrived at the door, she looked like she couldn't contain herself with joy.

Anonymous said...

Was this ACTUALLY the episode that I thought was going to be all about Josh, Anna, and Mackynzie? If it was, that was a HUGE letdown.

I guess we know why the Duggars were filming at the University...

Anonymous said...

Sad that it wasnt one of the kids being filmed at the University. Wonder why it took so long for Anna's parents to get there...imagine seeing your daughter giving birth on TV.

Anonymous said...

I loved seeing the baby and how alert and engaged she is. Anna seems like a natural mother.

Also nice to see John-David starting his own business and helping Josh. It's kind of like he's building his own identity.

theresa said...

I'm really disappointed that the U of A visit wasn't a campus visit for some of the kids. I guess the thought didn't occur to JB or Michelle that their own kids could benefit from an education. Their own daughters were stuck home wrangling their gaggle of small children.

Is it me or does it seem like Josh's junk car business is tanking fast? What skills does Josh have to fall back on.

22Starz said...

I dont think the Duggars are headed down the same road as J&K.The Duggars have some things that the gosselins dont/didnt.

The Duggars are modest.So what if Josh and Anna are showing the baby.You can pretty much bet that we will never see that little one sitting on the potty with her 1st poop...or getting undressed,or running around in her underwear.

The Duggars have never relied on welfare or "love donations".They have been self-reliant from the start.After 19 children,they have not been a burden on society.

They have their religion.We may not all agree with what they choose to believe in,but it seems to be working for them.They havent used their religion for pitty or freebees.Most important,they havent abandoned their religion when it was of no more use to them.

They have a sincere bond with family and friends.

When the "show" ends,I'm sure they will be ok.They will still know how to carry on and be self-reliant

So the Duggars are getting some money and some free trips for giving the world a brief look into their lives.I do believe the Duggars are in control and they will NOT compermise their family to make a buck.

Willow #1 said...

I think the reason Anna's parents were not there in time etc. had something to do with the baby arriving early. I think Anna mentioned that somewhere, but I confess I am not sure where. The baby is adorable. Anna seems overjoyed.

I agree with being disappointed about why they were at the U. of Arkansas. What a let-down. It made me think of another reason they wouldn't want the girls to go to school - homework might take time away from family duties. I love the Duggars but the education thing is really sad.

Anonymous said...

I was sad for Anna when she said, "My parents watched the birth video" (which may or may not have been on TV). Pa Keller must just be fit to be tied that his modest daughter, who didn't even kiss before marriage, had her birth televised for all to see.

The baby is adorable though. Those Duggars make very handsome children. Josh still bugs me.

I would have liked to see one of the kids at the university, not just the parents.

pumpkin said...

While this episode was not what I was anticipating, I still enjoyed it.

I found it really interesting that Michelle and Jim Bob were invited to speak to a PR class at U of A. I thought the questions asked by the students were insightful (and often brought up on this board) and I wish they would have shown more of their answers.

I think John David is adorable. He is a good, hard working young man. It's hard to believe he is only 19 (20 in January). He is so unlike the guys I knew at 19, who were only interested in video games, pornography, and beer. I am glad this and other recent episodes have allowed his personality to shine through.

The music lessons were cute. It's wonderful to see a family participating in something as a group and I am glad that they all seem to enjoy music so much.

And finally, the brief segment on baby Mackynzie - I think Josh is doing OK as a dad, if nothing else, he probably isn't sleeping until 10am any more. He is kind of annoying still, but Anna is becoming a wonderful mother. I am so glad her parents and sisters came to visit.

I am sure Mr. and Mrs. Keller got there as soon as they could - remember, Anna gave birth 2 weeks early. And they showed up when Mackynzi was about a week old. Maybe they had plane tickets they couldn't change.

nccalgal said...

I would hope that Anna's parents got an "advance copy" of the birth episode and didn't have to wait for the show to air. I thought it was a typical grandma reaction when they arrived, "Get out of the way and let me have my baby!"
I was disappointed with some of the answers that JB & M gave, especially when asked about trading your children's privacy for money. That would have been an excellent time for them to at least say that they are putting money away for them for later, instead JB talked about how it's a tool to "encourage" other families.

Anonymous said...

I agree the baby looks happy and perfect and A looks like a natural. Josh just needs to learn to read instructions and take 15 minutes to practice with the car seat EMPTY. And it wouldn't hurt to visit the local FD or PD to make sure everything is propery secured.

As for the trip to the U of AR - those tricky Duggars! Raise our hopes of the possibility of higher ED for one of their children, only to dash them by flogging their book and giving the same canned, non-answers to questions. Why is it that Jana (in the bloom of health) can accompany her parents to visit and join WW, but not a University. Why? There be dragons there? IMO (shared by others I'm sure) Josh needs WW more than Jana - he's already carrying a nasty basketball under his shirt.

As for the car lot - the Captain Kirk exchange between JD & J was a little over the top. Don't they have a business phone with a speaker?

JD is a sweetheart, but needs to work on his sales technique if he's there to help out. Greet people on the lot and ask them what they are looking for and, at least, stand up when a customer comes in.

To make the lot a success they need to learn about their stock (MG Midgets with roundered rear wheel arches are somewhat rare - little red convertable) and market them. It would also help if someone in the family became a certified mechanic to, 1) get these 100K clunkers up to snuff, 2) help buyers and others with their mechanical needs, and/or 3) break them down and sell the parts.

OK enough snarking.

Anonymous said...

I really thought the show was supposed to be about the new baby. It was a huge let down! It would have been nice to see more of Anna's family than just the last few minutes of the show!

YummyBaby said...

That baby is delicious! And Anna seems great with her. As for Josh, he is young, 21, most 21 year olds are just starting careers, and here he is with a baby. He will mature in time.

As for the Duggars going to the University of Arkansas, I know they say what they are doing is for encouragement of other families, but I think this episode reeked of their narcissim.

chocolatebee said...

Anon said:
Sad that it wasnt one of the kids being filmed at the University. Wonder why it took so long for Anna's parents to get there...imagine seeing your daughter giving birth on TV.

11/24/2009 9:36 PM
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Anna's parents are humble people who don't appear to be of wealthy means so it may have taken awhile for them to get the money and time to come to Arkansas from Florida, where they live. It had only been 2 weeks which I don't think is long considering. It's not like Anna was alone when she had her daughter. She had the Duggars and Josh there. It was nice to see how happy her family was to see MacKenyzie (I will probably never spell the sweet baby's name right). Anna appears to be a typical 20 year old mother who is still learning. I was the same way with my daughter when I had her at Annna's age. I will say though, Annna looks very tired. The baby is beautiful by the way.

I was surprised to see Josh wearing a name brand like Aeropostle a couple of time in this episode. Granted he could have found it at a thrift store but I also noticed that Josh and Anna went to the accessory store. They seem to shop often and have nice,not flashy, but nice things.It's good to see that they are shaping their own family values and not following the exact Jim Bob "buy used, save the difference" all the time.

John David is coming into his own and its nice to see him help his big brother at the car lot. I really hope for Josh and Anna's sake the car lot's business picks up. The car business is tough as it so I can imagine selling used cars in that part of the country might be really tough. John David is a funny guy who I think will be a great husband but I do think he may need to mature some more.

Anonymous said...

It was a pleasure to see the rest of the family living their own lives , developing lifeskills like John David seems to have done.

I thought this was a pretty good episode showing people as individuals within a large family.

Anonymous said...

Where was Jana? I didn't see her in this episode. Did I just miss seeing her?

Judy said...

22Starz,
I agree that the Duggars can't be completely compared to the Goesselins but they are NT in control of the show. Remember when they mopped with the Swiffer? That is so anti Michelle. She would think it's wasteful to buy the preloaded, expensive soap and throw pads out all the time. The show probably told them Swiffer was now a sponsor and wanted them to do it, so they did.

Anonymous said...

I'm getting bored with the Duggars. The episodes are getting drier and drier. I used to love watching the occasional special. They were so genuine and interesting. Now it seems their family focus is going in a different direction.. It's just not what it used to be. I LIKED them when they were different and kinda "weird". Now it seems TLC is trying to turn them more normal. They used to be so genuine, now they just seem to have a "humble" celebrity type status. I don't care how religious or grounded you are... that kind of attention will go to your head and change who you are. Looks like it has.

As for the college visit.. I found it so ironic that college students were getting tips and inspiration from two people that never went to college and will probably never send their kids there. Nothing wrong with that.. just ironic.

It was touching to see Anna's parents see the baby. It was such a sweet moment. I would have liked to see more of them.

Anonymous said...

This post is about a previous episode, but comments for that epi have been disabled, so I'm posting here...

On the ostrich egg episode, a poster mentioned that Michelle said, "I was allowed to let the children play with the egg"... I just watched that episode on the computer and she actually does say that. I couldn't believe it - she says, "I was allowed". What does she mean? Please, please tell me she isn't saying JimBob (or someone else?) "allowed" her to let the kids play with it? I can't think of any other meaning she could have though. This is very distressing to me. She and JimBob don't seem like they have that kind of relationship. But what could she have meant by saying that??

What do you all make of this?

Anonymous said...

I found it really ironic that John David said that you don't want too flashy of a car, you don't want people coveting what you have... and Josh is driving a Jag and picking up people in limos.

Cassandra said...

I thought that it was very anti-Gosselin when, at the meeting with the PR students, Jim Bob said, "As you can see, the cameras are with us today while we're talking to you, so we aren't creating opportunities or going places specifically to film, but they're following us around in our daily lives." I realize that the Duggars probably know very little about the Gosselins, but that comment was so against everything the Gosselins did that it just made me giggle.

Mellie said...

I was a little concerned when Michelle said (during interview time) that John David's sales techniques were different than Josh's, and then she said something like "it works though." To me, it was almost like she was slightly putting down John David, saying that he didn't do it as well as Josh. In my opinion, I think Josh could learn a lot from John David. And, I think the rest of the family, Anna included, need to quit acting like Josh is such "hot stuff." Josh stills needs a lot more humbling.
As for the college thing, I was laughing my head off when Jim Bob talked about the girl's elevator comment. That is hilarious!
Also, as much as I love Michelle, I am starting to see how some of her sweetness is changing to a more celebrity attitude. I, like some other bloggers have noted, thought it was strange that they were going to talk to the Media students, and one of Michelle's responses was "Well, we are a good family to talk to them about this because we have so much experience with filming."
Give me a break, Stop going on the Today Show every time you have a pregnancy announcement, or putting your newborn baby through all that just so you can talk to Meridith. Then, you won't have much "experience."

Anonymous said...

Cassandra said...

...Jim Bob said, "As you can see, the cameras are with us today while we're talking to you, so we aren't creating opportunities or going places specifically to film, but they're following us around in our daily lives."
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Really, Jim Bob? Maybe I missed something. You would be at the university sharing your media knowledge without the show??

On another note, I give Anna's parents credit for trying to stay themselves after their daughter married into the TLC media machine.

-Katydid

Joanna said...

Not one of the more exciting episodes, but Mckanzie is so cute!

Someone said a couple of weeks ago that Jana was at the U of Ak. Maybe that was when she was there. We didn't see her in this episode.

I thought that was the Duggar's bus on the car lot.

Mommy in PA said...

I think Josh & Anna really need to be more concerned about Mackynzie's safety than to play around with the car seat when it was time to leave for the doctor's visit. Seriously did they even bother to READ the manual before they put that in the car? Probably not. And Anna was letting him put the baby in the car thinking he's had so much experience because of all his younger siblings. Oh please - Josh never touched a car seat before - it was all the older girls taking care of getting the little ones in the car/bus! Josh and Anna are both very naive and need to get a serious grip on reality.

Anonymous said...

Does anybody know where I can see the full episode of this show? Usually the episodes are on youtube but I don't see it.
Thanks

mellie said...

To Mommy in PA:

So true about the whole car seat thing.
If TLC was tweeking that a little bit to make Josh and Anna more ignorant, than shame on TLC, too.

Digger said...

Jim Bob walking with an arm load of Duggar books and a girl says to him in the elevator, "I'm glad I'm not in the class that has to read about the Duggars." LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

Anonymous said...

In response to J&A reading the manual for the car seat... I'm sure it didn't even come with a manual since it was bought used! Even more dangerous, especially if they don't know how to use one in the first place.

Anonymous said...

I don't think this episode was a "let down" or whatever other people have used to refer to it. The Duggars never claimed that any of their kids were going to U of A. One poster who saw them on campus started that whole rumor, and some of us took it and ran with it, speculating about who would be attending U of A. I was pretty sure that none of the kids would be going and that they were on campus for another reason, so I wasn't at all surprised by what they were doing there. I'm just surprised to see so many people acting as if JB&M somehow decieved them into thinking that one of their kids would be attending, when they said nothing of the sort.

CappuccinoLife said...

Hmmm. I am also finding these episodes rather dull.

I would much prefer to see a yearly hour-long special. That would be more interesting and IMO better for their family.

However, baby 'Grandduggar' is adorable. My 4 year old was watching with me and said "When can we have a tiny baby just like that? Actually, I think we should get *two* of them". He was enchanted. lol

And John-David, what a sweetheart. I don't think Josh is evil incarnate, but there is definitely a difference in "spirit" between those two. John-David's attitude and character really impresses me. He's the kind of guy I'd like my sons to be when they're in their teens.

doomed doing my mothers job said...

Jana was home changing diapers, cleaning, cooking and supervising the 11 or 12 or 17 kids her parents brought into this world anon.

How many years of practice does it take to change diapers and cook tater tot casserole? Jana has had years of experience doing these chores. At what point does she get to the next level and begin learning new skills? I would think she probably knew all of this in her early teens, it just seems that she isn't growing much now. It is sad that her parents don't encourage her to develop her brain a bit more. God gave us intelligence for a reason.

Anonymous said...

"Jana was home changing diapers, cleaning, cooking and supervising the 11 or 12 or 17 kids her parents brought into this world anon."

If Jana had been at home doing this wouldn't she have been in the episode where the children were in charge while Mom and Dad were at the University? It seemed like Jill was the one doing the above. I didn't see Jana. Makes me think she was off somewhere doing something else.

pumpkin said...

Jana was there, she was leading the violin practice.

Judy said...

The big thing in the Duggar family seems to be avoiding higher education PLUS having as many children as possible. That's what's important to them. So they keep the kids at home or tied to family activities most of the time, and they emphasize the big family by having as many children as possible. That seems to be Jim Bob's claim to fame -- he is proud of how many kids he can produce and it seems like he expects his kids to have overly large families as well.

Mandy said...

Did I hear John David correctly when he was talking about one of the vehicles at the car lot (a van I think) and said that it used to be Jana's van?

Given how some of the older kids (John David and Jana especially) are missing from camera for long periods of time I'm guessing that they do plenty of things outside the home. Erin Bates teaches piano lessons, maybe one of the older Duggar girls go and teach lessons as well. And it sounds like Jill (if not the others) babysit a lot.

I'm guessing the older girls do get out of the house quite a bit. They just don't have cameras following them everywhere.

Jane in California said...

I didn't realize the infant car seat was a used item. I hope it was less than a year old, because you really shouldn't cut corners when it comes to the safety of your baby. I've seen recall notices for various car seats over the years, and at the very least, hope they did a recall check before using this carseat.

I am sure they are struggling financially, and new car seats can be a bit pricey. I have one child, and have always been a single mom, but when I was expecting my son, my boss took me out shopping and purchased a brand new top of the line car seat and stroller for me. It was a blessing to have people in my life who went the extra mile to help me get the things I should have.

If he hadn't done that, I would have found the money myself for the new car seat, and bought a used stroller.

Well, they are young and they will make mistakes and learn along the way. I just hope they are little mistakes and not any big serious ones

anon said...

there's this thing called editing.....?

Jane in California said...

anon said...

there's this thing called editing.....?
* * *

I know that tv shows are all edited. I'm not sure what you mean specifically by your comment though. Are you saying the car seat was new, but edited to make it seem used? Or something else entirely?

Diane said...

Sad to say, but safety is not a top priority for this family, so the used car seat, installed improperly, fits with the rest of the Duggar safety ideals (which are pretty much nonexistent).

I would have hoped that Josh would have instilled greater concern for his own child that obviously his parents have shown for their children, but alas, this is not true. From the last minute home birth, without a midwife or doctor, to waiting two weeks for a new baby checkup, to allowing cameras into the birthing room and having that newborn filmed multiple times, to the used carseat etc., it seems that Josh is following right in the footsteps of his parents (who feed infants prone, allow lollypops for babies, do not enforce seatbelts, safety equipment or any ordinary standards of care and safety).

I still think this is one of the parts of the family that worry me much more than their lack of education and opportunities for the girls.

Kat said...

So John-David has to "cover" for Josh because Josh is doing...what? Why does it take two people to care for a newborn? Especially when the car lot is only open from 10-6??!! (No wonder they're not selling anything.) I can't fathom why Josh can't run his own business while Anna takes care of the baby. In fact, if they need to be together so badly, the baby can go with them. I seem to recall Michelle saying she would sometimes have to take Josh with her when she and JimBob were still actually running a business.

And they sure do like to shop - Josh's Aeropostale shirt AND matching jacket did not come from a thrift shop. Guess the TLC money is wielding its evil influence on them. LOL...

Anonymous said...

Whoever posted about being bored with Duggars, I agree.

I really liked the occasional specials, but the weekly series is just too much.

Anonymous said...

As for the "shopping for accessories" ...they were buying the pink purse they gave to Joy in the "Jumping for Joy" episode previous---bad editing on their part....and yes you can buy quite nice used name brand clothing, I don't doubt that they do. People don't believe it, but there is "money" in AK and they donate their used things to charity shops.

I too find that the answers the Duggars give to questions aren't that "deep." But I don't think it's necessarily intentional, I think it's due to JB's lack of education. Remember this is a man with a high school education. I'm not calling him stupid, but he's not exactly sophisticated. I do think they are being honest with their answers, but they aren't quite the answers that those asking are really looking for. They really are just trying to get their message out there. And since they don't watch any TV, I really doubt they have little to no knowledge of who the Gosslins are. And frankly, yes, they don't create special events for the cameras, they just lead their lives and the cameras follow. The trips to NYC for new babies would happen tv show or no tv show because the woman is having her 18th and then 19th baby! Remember they were getting visits from magazines and tv crews back when they had 13 and 14 kids and no tv show.

lead paint is cheap too said...

To the thoughful

posters, some things came to mind.-

Kat, regarding the Aeropostale, we've donated many of our youngest childs clothes to Goodwill and the Salvation Army. I find it plausible that he could have gotten that shirt for a very good price.

Diane, yes buying carseats used is a terrible idea! Safety regulations change at the drop of a hat because of the top scientists that spend their time researching such topics. I became so annoyed at my MIL trying to sell a used car seat at a garage sale that hadn't been used in years. My main worry was that the seat was no longer considered safe and that someone would buy it, trying to save a few bucks, then a child would be killed.(thank goodness my husband snuck in and removed it before the sale!)

Diane said...

I sincerely doubt that the cameras are following the normal Duggar life at this point. I doubt all these road trips (Dolly and the Noah production, etc) would be part of their everyday life. Even the "announcements" on the Today show are not at all "normal".

Normal, regular families do not go on national TV to announce pregnancies or genders of their children. Normal people do not have lights and cameras in their homes, tracking their daily lives, or creating opportunities for filming outside the home.

The Duggars have become "celebrities" of sorts, but seem incredibly naive about the responsibilities that come along with being well known. The parents still do not seem to understand that showing their phone number, address, etc. to the whole world is a bad idea. They seem not to get that they have changed, in many bad ways, since they sold their lives to national television. Sometimes I wonder if Jim Bob is really that naive or stupid, or if he is just laughing all the way to the bank, regardless of the potential harm to his family.

Anonymous said...

I don't understand why everyone assumes Josh's shirt and jacket couldn't have possibly been used. People donate nice things just as much as cheaper clothing items. I'm one of those people. Any clothes I can't hand down to family or friends is donated, and much of my children's clothes are name brand items like Gap, Gymboree and Nordstrom. I've also been one to buy those same brands used at thrift stores if I happen to find them. My sister buys most of her kids clothes used and she always finds all kinds of good deals on otherwise expensive or "name brand" itmes. I don't think it's a stretch to think Josh couldn't have doen the same. But, who is to say he is following in his parents EXACT footsteps and buying everything used, maybe he likes buying himself some newer items and big deal if he does.

Anonymous said...

As for the Duggars safety, I agree with those that are concerned. I live in the area, and was able to FIND their house because they posted their address on their website. And it was easy. I, of course, pose no threat to them. I just wanted to see their house and drive past it. But imagine what a "weirdo" could do with that kind of information. The Duggars may think that they are safe because they live in a remote area. But if I can find their house, anybody can. It really does worry me. There is always a price to pay for being in constant media spotlight.

Diane said...

This is why I wonder if Jim Bob is naive. Does he not think about the potential danger to his family, particularly his girls? I was reading the comments of some really icky boys/men on another site, making all kinds of probably NIKE comments about the girls and how they were babes, gorgeous, etc.etc. I just cannot imagine sacrificing my children's privacy and safety like that! Doesn't Jim Bob get it? Everyone who watches the show knows where they live and even where the girls' bedrooms are! They know the cars the Duggars drive, where they shop, vacation, etc.

The family has a general lack of safety that is really evident, but then there is this cavalier attitude that they can broadcast their family to a national audience,and there will be no consequences. Let's hope there aren't, but it sure makes me nervous.

Keri said...

"I am sure they are struggling financially, and new car seats can be a bit pricey."


Here is a brand new car seat on Amazon.com for less than 60 dollars and it ships for free.http://www.amazon.com/Evenflo-Discovery-Infant-Car-Seat/dp/B001H0GGIW/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=baby-products&qid=1259541721&sr=1-2

If you cannot afford 60 bucks to make sure your baby is riding is a SAFE car seat that is not over a year old and has never been in a car accident, then don't HAVE ONE.

Judging by Josh's gut he is eating at least that much junk food in a week.

Anonymous said...

Some of that "Buy used and save the difference" is just bogus. Used carseats and used shoes being prime examples. Josh earns a fine living from exploiting his young family on TLC. He could easily afford a new carseat for his one and only baby.

HOTW said...

I find all soerts of almostr new clothes at the SA near me. Just the other day I bought a brand new Winnie the Pooh sweatshirt for my eldest daughter. And I saw a lovely Charlotte Russ jacket that still had the tags but wasn't anything my one daughter would wear so I was happy to see another lady snag it. What was greta about SA was we were able to buy clothing to convert to clown costumes for under $10 total for the 2 of us plus a few things to add to another costume!

nccalgal said...

There are safety programs usually run by police or fire departments where new carseats can be purchased for as little as $20, and they will even install it for you. They aren't plush and they are the stationary type, not the ones with a base that stays in the car, but if you really are strapped for cash, you at least know the seat is safe.

Kat said...

I won't argue that you can find brand-name clothes at thrift stores - that's where I buy most of my clothes. However, the fact that Josh was wearing an Aeropostale shirt AND matching jacket lead me to believe they were not purchased used. And the "so what?" part? I would agree - except the show is premised on the Duggars using it to preach their "message" to the world. If you're gonna preach it (and profit from it), you oughta live it. Just ask Jimmy Swaggart.

It's just my opinion, but I'd say the "buy used and save the difference" is starting to wear thin. More like "Buy used and save the difference IF YOU HAVE TO like we did before the TV money came along." Witness the complete layette set Michelle bought new for the last baby, the $250 (!!!!!) birthday bike, etc. No doubt they're getting the stuff for free anyway, but still... (see last two sentences, previous paragraph).

Diane said...

It's fine to buy used, but Jim Bob and Josh both make a bundle off the show, and so it makes all this "used" stuff talk (while they live in a gigantic house with granite and stainless and take constant trips, etc) seem really hollow.

Anonymous said...

I wonder if the duggars ever saw this

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/SavingandDebt/FindDealsOnline/10ThingsYouShouldNeverBuyUsed.aspx?page=

Cyn said...

So exactly what ARE we to do with the old car seats then if NOT pass them on to places like goodwill where they will SELL them to other people?

Start tossing them in the dump when our child is done using them?

I bought every one of my 5 kids car seats and booster seats at places like goodwill or at garage sales for 5-10 each. And when I got done with them I sent them BACK to good will (with new hand made covers on them that my Mother-in-Law makes)


AS for them making a "bundle" off TLC.... John Goslein (sp) broke it down for us on several different web sites to the final total the ENTIRE family (not per person) was making per episode was in the neighborhood of 25K.

IF the Duggars are doing what they SHOULD be doing and breaking it up to each person on the show (and we do not know they aren't putting it in different bank accounts for the kids).... that would be a little over 1K an EPISODE (there are at least 20 Duggars, then G'ma and Amy and the list goes on) ... They could make MORE money easier by delivering pizzas (the older ones anyway)

Some one mentioned the great big house and the granite counter tops and the stainless steel.... they bought 90% of the stuff in that house USED and at AUCTIONS for steals....

The big Grey/silver "Hockey" bus they brought home and cleaned out and refitted the beds on they paid 2,500.00 Yes!!!! 2 thousand 5 hundred, at a BLIND auction.

Now I am with you on the used shoes... I think that CAN harm the children's feet. Until they start walking though I have no issue with passing shoes down or buying them at second hand stores, because when they are babies you are buying for CUTE not walking.

Having said that though I have found BRAND NEW shoes at Salvation Army places and the like and most of the shoes I saw Michelle throwing up on that counter looked newer to me; with little to NO wear so they may be fine.

Anonymous said...

Also the $20 plus thousand per episode that the Gosselins were being paid was for season FOUR. They made only about $5K for the entire family for each 30 minutes of season three. TLC pays the family not individual members so it's up to the parents to make provision for the children.

I hope TLC was fined for the violations they committed while filming in California and New York.

Im_in_PR said...

Diane said...

It's fine to buy used, but Jim Bob and Josh both make a bundle off the show, and so it makes all this "used" stuff talk (while they live in a gigantic house with granite and stainless and take constant trips, etc) seem really hollow.


They way they were able to afford that house and the furnishings was because they were frugal.

Anonymous said...

Even if the Duggars "only" make $25K an episode (and the Gosselins mad $75K at the end, and the Duggars have now taken their place, so I assume their weekly fees are much higher), that is $100K per month!!!! What pizza place are you thinking offers that kind of salary?

And even if Jim Bob gives the over 18 set their share (which I doubt) the lion's share is still all Jim Bob's and Michelle's and they are making over a million dollars a year, easily, off TLC.

That'll buy a lot of new carseats and new shoes.

SAE said...

Regarding Cyn's post:

"So exactly what ARE we to do with the old car seats then if NOT pass them on to places like goodwill where they will SELL them to other people?

Start tossing them in the dump when our child is done using them?

I bought every one of my 5 kids car seats and booster seats at places like goodwill or at garage sales for 5-10 each. And when I got done with them I sent them BACK to good will (with new hand made covers on them that my Mother-in-Law makes)":

This is why you should not buy a used carseat:

http://babyproducts.about.com/od/carseats/f/used_car_seats.htm

It is odd to me that you would trust a yardsale seller for a carseat which could have been in an accident, or recalled, or superseded by subsequent models' safety ratings, and yet you think secondhand shoes are dicey from a health point of view.

It is NEVER a good idea to buy a secondhand carseat, unless you know and trust the seller implicitly, and can verify the manufacture date.

SAE said...

Cyn, here is one more link about why carseats shouldn't be bought used:

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/SavingandDebt/FindDealsOnline/10ThingsYouShouldNeverBuyUsed.aspx

Anonymous said...

TLC finished the house and furnished it, with a professional decorator.

Nancy said...

Although I don't think it's any of my business how much anyone else makes - I don't think that the only income the Duggar's receive related to the show is the weekly taping fee. They get $ from advertisers when they show their products (Swiffer, etc.), they probably are comped for most every product shown, including all vacations and associated activities. They are probably paid speaking fees when asked to speak at events, etc. I'm quite certain they are doing very well as a result of the show, regardless of the exact dollar amount that is paid for taping. All that said - if they want to buy new or used things - none of my business either. Why do we care about this?

Jane in California said...

While I buy many things second hand as a way to make ends meet (I'm a single mom of an 11-year old son and the sole support for our little family), I also was raised to be wise in my purchases. Some things are worth the full purchase price and should not be skimped on - such as infant, baby and toddler car seats. Not all car seats are created equal, and some that were once up to code would fail current safety requirements.

There are also programs available in many communities that would help out a struggling family to get a safe carseat. In my state, you cannot leave the hospital with your newborn until a staff member has checked that you have an approved baby car seat installed properly in your car.

I think that Josh and Anna are not struggling as most couples would be if they had to live on Josh's income as a used car salesman alone. They are getting money from TLC. Don't they live in a home they rent from JB? I can't imagine the rent is too steep. I hope they are putting as much of that money away in savings as they can, because this show is losing steam and viewership over time, and will eventually be canceled. Once that show income stops, they'll have to face life on his used car salesman income and in this economy, that could produce some slim pickins.

Cyn said...

It is odd to me that you would trust a yardsale seller for a carseat which could have been in an accident, or recalled, or superseded by subsequent models' safety ratings, and yet you think secondhand shoes are dicey from a health point of view.
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The Shoes can warp their feet.... Car seats bought at yardsales with the toddler running around that used it with all the parts there and the ability to look them up on the net for recall notices....

We have spent the last 15 years of my marriage making less than 20K and supporting up to 7 people.... 60 vs 10... that leaves me 50 to go towards other bills we have.

We also passed shoes down if the kids only wore them 2-3 times before outgrowing them...
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Even if the Duggars "only" make $25K an episode (and the Gosselins mad $75K at the end, and the Duggars have now taken their place, so I assume their weekly fees are much higher), that is $100K per month!!!! What pizza place are you thinking offers that kind of salary?

And even if Jim Bob gives the over 18 set their share (which I doubt) the lion's share is still all Jim Bob's and Michelle's and they are making over a million dollars a year, easily, off TLC.

That'll buy a lot of new carseats and new shoes.


They 'made 75K' for the 4th season they started MUCH lower than that, and after he broke it down it was around 22K and that's per NEW episode... I have no idea if they get paid when TLC shows the reruns but I highly doubt it. So where do you get they make 100K a month?

As for the pizza what I said was IF they were breaking it down PER kid that would be a little over 1k a month most pizza delivery people make 1500-2000 a month. I don't know how many NEW shows they will do this year but say they make 18...

18 shows x 22K = 396,000 Divided by 20 people = 19,800 per person.
19,800 / 12 months in a year = 1650 a MONTH.

They make more money off the CELL tower than they would make off the TV show. (IN this scenario)

I don't remember HOW John broke it down and how it ended up being 22k a show I just remember thinking there are easier ways to make that kind of money once you break it down over a full year.

Snerk said...

The Duggars are still in season one or two and don't draw the number of viewers of the Gosselins. They won't be paid nearly as much. They get nothing for repeats of episodes. This is low rent reality on cable not scripted shows on major networks with union contracts.

Im_in_PR said...

They are probably paid speaking fees when asked to speak at events, etc.

Plus they get to sell their books direct at those events.

Anonymous said...

Nancy - you asked, "why do we care about this?" I agree that some of us seem a little too picky about Josh's choice of clothing, etc., but I believe the reason we care is because of things like the used car seat. We would rather see the family put their money to good use and protect the safety of their daughter than spend it on new clothes (if this is even the case). Beyond that, I agree with you - it's none of our business. But from what I've observed of the other posts and from my own view - we care because of the child's safety. That's the only reason we are mentioning new vs. used.
-Christina

mary meaghan said...

Yes Cyn, you should toss in the dump, after attempting to recycle, old car seats. That is a great idea. Then others won't be able to buy a cheap carseat that doesn't meet current safety standards. Same goes for old cribs. It might just save a life.

Anonymous said...

for all of those who commented on josh's shirt.

That was not an AĆ©ropostale shirt. Looking carefully, it says Ourapostle. One link to those shirts is this one http://www.faithfultrends.com/ourapostle-p-489.html

Addtionaly, the shirts sell at 15 dollars.

So it is a christian name brand, not a mainstream brand name.

It would be good before making comments to check the wording on what he is actually wearing instead of making assumptions

Somebody's Nana said...

Regarding the carseat controversy: I am a grandmother who was pro-carseat when it wasn't PC to be so. I was accused of restricting my children in their carseats in the 1970's as if it was cruel...

So, to put perspective on the issue of used carseats - I purchased a quality carseat to use in my car when my grandchildren were born so that we didn't have to switch out seats and worry about how tightly they were installed each time. In this state, children use carseats/boosters up to age 8, so I purchased one that would do the job from age 2-8 (I didn't have them alone before that). Assuming I decided I didn't want to keep the seat midway through that time, or I bought a different one, the first one would still be safe (no recalls, meets standards, etc.) and what would be wrong in donating it for another to use? I would assume that the person buying it would look into the safety issue, but I know that I have.

Cyn said...

Somebody's Nana said...

Regarding the carseat controversy: I am a grandmother who was pro-carseat when it wasn't PC to be so. I was accused of restricting my children in their carseats in the 1970's as if it was cruel...

So, to put perspective on the issue of used carseats - I purchased a quality carseat to use in my car when my grandchildren were born so that we didn't have to switch out seats and worry about how tightly they were installed each time. In this state, children use carseats/boosters up to age 8, so I purchased one that would do the job from age 2-8 (I didn't have them alone before that). Assuming I decided I didn't want to keep the seat midway through that time, or I bought a different one, the first one would still be safe (no recalls, meets standards, etc.) and what would be wrong in donating it for another to use? I would assume that the person buying it would look into the safety issue, but I know that I have.

12/02/2009 10:24 AM
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THANK YOU and I agree with you...

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Anon.It would be good before making comments to check the wording on what he is actually wearing instead of making assumptions"
I totally agree. What a wasted discussion that went on and on about how this family is compromising because of this one
"shirt".

Thy Word Is A Lamp Unto My Feet said...

Suzanne I agree as well. I for one really enjoy this family & their weekly show. :) I watch the show. I don't pick it apart. But whatever. To each their own.

Marybeth said...

Thank you for finally putting to rest the "name brand" shirt controversy. I'm not surprised that he's wearing a Christian brand shirt, as most of their t-shirts seem to be Christ-oriented.

Also, there was no proof that the car seat was used, as I recall. Did they necessarily buy it at that used baby sale? Or are we assuming they did? Could it be a hand-me-down from a previous Duggar baby? Maybe they actually bought a new one? It might have actually just been nerves--they are new parents putting their new baby in the car for the first time with A CAMERA IN THEIR FACE ON NATIONAL TV. And here we are on a web log making fun of them and arguing about it.

The bottom line is...with or without the reality show, the house would have been built. It might not have been furnished with brand new furniture (the boys room bunk beds came from their previous house, by the way, as stated by JB when he went to buy a used bunk bed to replace an old one). And the house would have been built debt free.

With or without the show the Duggars would still be living their life as they do now, being invited places because they do have a large family that draws attention--People magazine and the Today show was inviting them back before their TV show.

JB is a business man and he knows how to make money and he knows how to save money. He has cell towers on his land paying rent--those pay HANDSOMELY. He also attends many auctions and buys items that he can resell at retail prices.

As for the house that Josh and Anna live in--it belonged to Josh's grandparents at one time (not sure which side.) Whether or not it was gifted to them or he bought it or he's renting it, we do not know. But this was explained in the episode when he brought Anna back to Arkansas after he proposed and was showing her the house and how he'd fix it up for her.

Anonymous said...

anon said: >>>>I too find that the answers the Duggars give to questions aren't that "deep." But I don't think it's necessarily intentional, I think it's due to JB's lack of education. Remember this is a man with a high school education. I'm not calling him stupid, but he's not exactly sophisticated. I do think they are being honest with their answers, but they aren't quite the answers that those asking are really looking for. They really are just trying to get their message out >>>there.


I think JB is just a savvy businessman,and it's not due to lack of education that he is able to dodge the deeper questions.He knows full well what to answer,how to answer and what q's to avoid like the plague! He knows by now what everyone 'wants' to hear,what they don't want to hear,and thus he adjusts his answers accordingly,IMO.For example,he was very quiet about '08 election 9as was the rest of the family).they can't afford to offend anyone and risk losing viewers.SO,(IMO)no talk of the lack of higher education (esp for the girls),politics,and the like.

Ladybug said...

I don't understand the criticism of Josh when he has some problems putting the baby in the carseat or figuring out how it goes into the carseat base.

I'm a 35-yr old, first-time mom with two post-graduate degrees. I'm a pretty decent on-the-spot problem solver. However, the first time I ventured out with my son when he was 4 weeks old, I had to ask my husband to help me get my son out of the car because I didn't know how to get the carseat off the base. I don't know why it had never occurred to me to do a dry run.

And we ran into the same problem Josh was having when he was putting the carseat into the car. The passenger seat was reclined to far back and the carseat was getting wedged in and stuck. That happened with our CRV.

And as for the two of them attending the two-week check-up together, it takes two people because Mom isn't supposed to pick up anything heavy for the first few weeks. It can bring on more heavy bleeding. A baby who may weigh 10 pounds gets put into a carrier that itself can weigh 9 pounds and that is just something new moms aren't supposed to carry.

Josh is acting like a new dad is who just coming to realize that it's not all about him anymore. A lot of guys (especially first borns) have to go to the school of hard knocks for that lesson. And raising a child is a great way to learn that. He'll mature and his work ethic will mature and I"m sure he'll be just fine.

Marybeth said...

I agree that JB is a savvy business man, that's his job. He's also a politician, although not a very good one, as he wasn't elected. However, as to not offending viewers, I'm not so sure that's entirely correct, but you aren't far off. I don't think he wants to offend anyone period--because it isn't a nice thing to do and in general, he's a nice man. They teach their kids to try not to be offensive at all and they lead by example. I think you're just a little too cynical. Read the post above yours.

Cyn said...

Marybeth said...

I agree that JB is a savvy business man, that's his job. He's also a politician, although not a very good one, as he wasn't elected. However, as to not offending viewers, I'm not so sure that's entirely correct, but you aren't far off. I don't think he wants to offend anyone period--because it isn't a nice thing to do and in general, he's a nice man. They teach their kids to try not to be offensive at all and they lead by example. I think you're just a little too cynical. Read the post above yours.
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JimBob WAS elected =
James Robert "Jim Bob" Duggar (born July 18, 1965), of Springdale, Arkansas, is a former state legislator, who served in the Arkansas House of Representatives from 1999 to 2002.

And only lost the Senate Race by 200 points to his opponent =
Duggar sought the Republican nomination to the Arkansas State Senate District 35 seat in Arkansas in 2006,[5] but lost to candidate Bill Pritchard by 200 votes.

Anonymous said...

Diane said, "It's fine to buy used, but Jim Bob and Josh both make a bundle off the show, and so it makes all this "used" stuff talk (while they live in a gigantic house with granite and stainless and take constant trips, etc) seem really hollow."

Just as an FYI,(and it isn't really important) the counters in the Duggar's kitchen aren't granite, if you look closely you can see that they're formica with a granite pattern.

Marybeth said...

yes i know i should have been more clear...he was a politician--a local state rep...he wasn't elected--to the senate...thank you for being more elaborate for me