Tues, March 30, 2010, Duggars and DJs

The Duggars are always willing to help a good cause and there's no better cause than giving back to the hospital that is taking good care of little Josie. Watch as the Duggars participate in a fund-raising radiothon at Arkansas Children?s Hospital.

30 minutes

114 comments:

babysteps said...

This one sounds good. It's always interesting to see the Duggars in public dealing with new people. I hope they raised a billion!

Anonymous said...

How much of a reduction in their hospital bill are they getting in exchange for their participation in this event?

pumpkin said...

I wonder if they are going to speak with any people who oppose their lifestyle, or if the calls will be screened before the kids get to speak to the callers.

Anonymous said...

Josh & Ann both look like they have "buyers regret"

It almost like watching "Archie & Edith Bunker" He just looks at her like "dingbat" lol..

I want to yell at the TV "Anna he is not the king!! In the real wold he is an uneducated slimy used car salesman.. Yuck "

Hannah said...

I think the kids are way too rough with eachother and the parents dont seem to realize its not safe. I hope Johannah has to always be sitting when holding Jordyn.

Disappointed with the Duggars said...

A couple of thoughts on this episode:

My heart was in my mouth when I saw that child (Justin?) carry Jordyn down the stairs! He isn't much bigger than she is! (And Michelle had already commented that Jordyn is afraid of being dropped.)

Someone should teach those Duggar boys that it is common courtesy for gentlemen to take their hats off while indoors.

Anonymous said...

they should rename this episode "response to viewer comments"

Jillian said...

I don't know why I get irritated about the way Jim-Bob pronounces Josie. He seems to be saying Joes-sea isn't it suppose to be pronounced Jo-see? It just sounds funny the way he says it.

Anonymous said...

I liked the fact that the Duggers volunteered their time for the hospital, it was nice to see them give back.

One negative comment though, the part where Michelle seemed so happy about the little boy caring for her baby was hearbreaking to me. What kind of people don't see kids carrying around a baby as dangerous.

Anonymous said...

The promo for the show showed the doctor saying that now Josie was considered full term and would not be treated as a preemie. I would love to think that was true and she was that healthy but what are the odds?

kdliberty said...

Anonymous said...

"they should rename this episode "response to viewer comments""

I totally agree. I am glad I am not the only one that noticed this.

This episode did seem a little more put together then most have been since Josie was born.I wonder how long that will last?

Sarah said...

I was a little bit surprised, too, to see the little girl carrying Jordyn. My almost 6 year old carries our little girl, who is about the same age, but he is very careful with her. My almost 4 year old is not allowed to carry her. I suppose it is almost impossible to supervise all of those kids all of the time.

I think it's great when the parents get their kids involved with volunteering, whether it's in their comfort zone or not (how else do you broaden your comfort zone?). I hope that the kids all carry that serving spirit with them as they become adults.

SmurfGirl said...

"What kind of stuff does Grandma do around the house?" "Cook, clean, do dishes, wash clothes, lot's of stuff."

So what, Grandma's the maid now?
Poor Grandma Duggar. :(

Anonymous said...

Viewer comments " addressed" in this episode:

The boys do have buddies.
Everyone takes precautionary measures when entering NICU.
The children have only visited once.
Michelle is storing milk for when Josie needs more.

I'm with Cyn in thinking that it's the editing that is changed to address questions or concerns. I think these things were being done already just not being put in the show or "explained".

Captain Tucker

Nicole said...

Anonymous said...

"they should rename this episode "response to viewer comments"

Agreed.

Anonymous said...

Just an observation - in this episode, it looked to me like Joy's face looked a lot slimmer and Jinger's has been looking a lot rounder lately.

babysteps said...

Poor Jinger is so shy. She shouldn't have that much trouble talking on the phone at her age. She only took one call? Jed and Joseph too were very uncomfortable. They must not have much experience answering the phone at home.

Jackson seems to be maturing lately. Maybe he's getting older or maybe he's been "caught" too many times. LOL

Mandy said...

I thought he said something about once she weighs a certain amount she'll stop being considered a preemie. It would make more sense that it would be based on her due date tho, so maybe I misunderstood. But maybe babies develop slower outside the womb and are considered a preemie past their due date because of this? Any nurses out there who know?

I noticed the couple ofseconds devoted to Jinger's iPhone as well as the shot of Joseph texting on his phone. Makes me wonder if they're trying to show that the kids are indeed fairly normal in regards to communicating with their friends. I don't doubt that they have friends like a normal teenager, I just wonder if the producers are trying to find ways to show that more.

Not a Duggar fan said...

Amazing that Michelle thinks nothing wrong with her preschoolers hauling around her one year old like she is no more valuable than a sack of potatoes. Watching Jackson or whomever that was carry Jordyn down the stairs was horrifying. I was so afraid he would drop her.

Michelle also thinks that there is nothing wrong with roughhousing and sliding down stairs. She seems to have no common sense regarding safety.

Yes, we know that you are the self-reported Dairy Queen, Michelle, and that pregnancy and breastfeeding are all you care about. But for someone who is claims to care so deeply about modesty, you sure do spend a lot of time referencing BREASTS. Yes, we get that you make a lot of milk. THanks for sharing the freezer full, so that people can be sure to see that you are quite the Dairy Queen in the nursing department.

Anonymous said...

OMG JORDYN IS SO CUTE!!!!

ash said...

oh my goodness, enough with the breast milk! I feel like half of this episode was all about michelle's milk, showing it in the freezer, multiple shots of her pumping, just going on and on about it. how many times do we need to be told that she's the "dairy queen"?! ugh...

Cyn said...

Captain Tucker, thanks for that.

Sean if you are reading these making it BLATANTLY obvious you are just editing these just to answer different blogs issues is NOT helping it's just making it worse.

Melanie said...

I know I shouldn't be surprised by the Duggar kids' ineptitude when it comes to telephone skills. Living in a compound where most - if not all - of your friends are your own brothers and sisters doesn't exactly encourage telephone skills. But I did have to wonder when Michelle said something to the effect of "when I found out the children were going to be answering phones, I wondered if this was the best job for them".

Why would she say that - is it because she knows they're 'not comfortable' (or in my words, socially incompetent with strangers) on the phone, or because this goes against her and Jim Bob's efforts to control their children's exposure to people of different values?

I can understand younger kids not having great phone skills - but shouldn't the older girls and boys be developing some decent customer service skills by now? At some point, if Jana wants to work as a midwife, doesn't she have to get over her shyness? If John David and Joseph will have their own businesses, this is a great time to develop some natural comfort speaking with clients.

This is why I feel that it's really valuable for young people to have part-time jobs *outside the home*, especially in customer service environments. Working as a clerk or cashier or front desk person virtually anywhere can pretty much force you to communicate effectively on adult terms. This is something I gained by working in cashier and sales jobs as a teenager, but not so much from babysitting. Maybe these customer skills aren't necessary for jobs like waste removal and tree-trimming, but the service industries are only growing in North America. Eventually, some of the Duggars will start to work (heaven forbid, even some of the girls!), and competent social skills are a must in many industries.

No wonder some commenters have said that the Gothard system recommends family members working in family-owned business... That way, everyone can just by-pass all that 'messiness' of having to work and interact with people with diverse backgrounds and values.

Joanne, RN said...

I was really sad to see how little poise the children had when answering the telephones. One even said they didn't talk to a lot of different people. I almost seemed like the little ones did better than some of the older ones.
To me that is a sure sign that the kids have been sheltered and isolated.
As a parent of a shy child it is imperative that they be "encouraged" to speak to people and participate in class, order food in a restaurant for example so when they are adults they are able to function in the real world.
I really don't know where that neonatologist was coming from. His comment that Josie is cosidered full term is out of left field. I guess by the time she is discharged her gestational age will be correct for full term - but when reaching milestones like sitting, etc her age will always be calculated as for example - six months- 3 months (premature) developmental age = 3 months. Not to mention any complications that stay with her as a result of her extremely premature birth. She is still on oxygen, still being tube fed and he mentioned diuretics - that is not a normal full term baby by a long shot.

AmyKB said...

Jinger has a cell phone (and we saw one of the older boys use one later)... so presumably all the older kids do. I found this interesting. It was really cute to see Justin play with Jordyn, and to take an active role in that "buddy" process that they have. I didn't catch anything that showed how old Josie was in this episode. :( I also thought it was interesting that Jinger wasn't very comfortable answering the phone, but it seemed that Jill and Jana were handling a lot of them. Interesting there was no Josh/Anna. I am kinda losing my love for Josiah tho... he seems like the spokesperson hog that Josh is sometimes

Jillian said...

I, too, was astounded at the Duggar kids' nervousness in answering the phones at the telethon. When I was six my mother taught me how to answer the phone properly, not to tell strangers I didn't know when my parents, weren't home, etc. As I got older (nine) I was taught how to take messages for other family members. I don't know what's wrong with these kids that talking to srangers on the phone is such a big deal. All of the older ones seem to have their own cell phones, unless it's just to take another order from Josh to go pick up a car, or Daddy following the older girls by GPS to make sure they're not ditching their jeans for skirts, or to tell John David to go fix a pipe in another building. Last night's episode goes to show how sheltered these kids are that they can't manage basic social skills.

Anonymous said...

I don't think it's that unusual for Jinger and other shy ones to be reticent about answering the phone and talking to complete strangers. For many people, being "put on the spot" and having to say the correct things is a very stressful situation to be in. I'm 25 and I still dislike making business calls! At least taking pledges over the phone from people isn't so bad, because they already want to give money. I would be terrified to be a telemarketer or work a question/complaint line.

Anonymous said...

I'm a *huge* fan of the Duggars, but this episode was just "eh" to me. Nothing great. I thought I would pass out though, when I saw Johannah (?) carrying the baby around. That could be dangerous! I did love to see how gentle and sweet the one little boy (forgot his name) was w/ Jordyn. So sweet!

And poor Grandma. I hope she's one of those people who pour themselves into their work, etc to help w/ grief b/c otherwise Grandma is gonna crash eventually. I'm 35, and watching Grandma do all of that work makes *me* tired. :)

Anonymous said...

The highlight of this episode was the commentary from Jackson and Johannah. Those two are so cute and funny together. They should do a whole episode with just those two.

While I can understand the value in having a buddy (it seems to make the bond between the sibilings stronger) I do not agree with how freely the younger children are allowed to handle the smallest ones (i.e. Jordyn). A child can easily hurt a baby without intending to. Seeing Johannah and the boys drag Jordyn around and carrying her carelessly was heartwrenching for me. And yes I am aware Jana was in the room some of the time but there seems to be a lot of times when the small children are not always supervised. It only takes a second for an accident to happen. It's a blessing that none of the Duggar children have had any major injuries in their carelessness. I know of babies who have suffered irreversable brain damage after accidental injury at the hands of sibilings.I would hate to see this happen to any child.

MOM IN TEXAS

Celestie said...

Did anyone understand what M was rambling on about, concerning her pumped milk? To simplify, it went something like this: I won't have time to pump when Josie gets home, because "I will be nursing her all the time?" Why would she need to pump if she is nursing all the time? Also won't the baby need commercial supplements, since Michelle's milk is lacking in fat content?

The kiss's good bye at the door looked staged. The child being kissed did not look like she expected it and actually was turned around. Not use to being kissed is my guess.

Scrubbing up and wearing smocks to see Josie: What good is that, when you have a long, voluminous head of hair, long sleeves on street clothes, and a camera/sound man with uncovered equipment? Why does the hospital require this now, since they brought in the whole unwashed herd, including babies and toddlers when the baby was most vulnerable?

Josie certainly looks better, but still does not look like a healthy full term infant. I hope she continues to progress. Guess they were listening to us about the goofy bows. Next step would to get rid of the powder puffs, dandelions, and outsized daisies on the other little girls' heads.

Swissmiss150 said...

The fact that Jordyn is afraid of being dropped makes me believe that it's happened - maybe more than once. She knows how much it hurts.

There are just TOO MANY children and not enough people to supervise them.

I'm surprised there have not been more injuries - not wearing safety glasses, being around ladders and power tools, sliding down staircases, jumping through holes into the room below. Yikes.

Cyn said...

I have a feeling that all the breast milk comments are in answer to other blogs discussing it, and or emails being sent in.

Anonymous said...

Josie was about two weeks older in this episode than the one a week ago if Jim Bob was telling the truth. Last week he said he couldn't go see Josie because he might have a cold and tonight he said it had been two weeks since he saw her. It seems she's finally getting onto the normal growth rate for her gestational age. Very good.

My question is how are they going to transport that freezer of milk home and make sure it stays solidly frozen the whole trip? They are going back to Springdale soon after Josie is released from the hospital?

Josie won't "always" be considered three months younger than her birth age. As children age the developmental range increases so that three months becomes negligible. Also most preemies "catch up" to the normal development charts by age two to three. That's both because they tend to grow to their actual age and also the chart range expands on when it's normal to hit a certain milestone. If the cousin Amy reports combined with the doctor's forecast are accurate, she may have hit the weight to go home by now or should within the next week or two. I hope all is well and she does get home within a couple of weeks of her projected due date. I'm a little frightened of Michelle and Jim Bob getting that kind of advice that she will go home as a full term baby and not as a preemie. I hope that is clarified and explained to them.

shawna said...

Michelle is freezing so much breast milk because she knows that when she gets pregnant again (she will), her breast milk supply will go way down. And people will be outraged if that preemie baby isn't receiving breast milk from her mother.

That shot of the frozen supply of breast milk was "insurance" so when Michelle gets pregnant again, people can't rant and rave about how Michelle is not supplying Josie with precious nutrition.

That's my opinion.

babysteps said...

Well there are safety issues in many families I have known and the Duggars are no different. I've know over protective parents and parents who let kids be kids and hope for the best.

The fact that none of the Duggar kids has been killed yet is a hint they are doing something right. A broken bone, some stitches, bumps and bruises are all a part of childhood. I hope if one of the kids does get hurt that the Duggars won't be judged to harshly.

My one big Duggar safety concern have been times when someone is backing a car out at the house and there are kids running around. They've scared me a couple of times then with being somewhat careless.

Anonymous said...

I was surprised at the comments about the Phonathon because my husband and I watched it together and were commenting on how well the children were doing. Jana and Jill looked very comfortable, Jinger said it was OK after the initial call, Joseph was shy about it but he is only 15, I thought he was looking for a chance to do more after the ice was broken. I'm not sure the twin boys had an opportunity to talk but they looked like they were read to do it.

As for Michelle and the breast feeding, I wonder if she just feels like this is the one thing she can do for her baby and it is what she feels gives her some value and control in this situation. Also, she needs to pump frequently to be ready to nurse when the baby is ready to eat from Mommy. I'm not sure why she wants such a big stockpile. There may be a reason we havn't heard about. I know hospitals do use donated breast milk for preemies whose mothers can't produce any but if that was it I would think she would bring it to the hospital.

Anonymous said...

Hooray!! No obnoxious Josh last night!! Thank you producers for the break!! It is so evident you read this blog..

Anonymous said...

Who was the older boy at the phoneathon? He sounded functionally illiterate or at least at a reading level far below his age. Why was he having such a hard time reading a card?

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I believe a family or individual can do a gift of kindness without always getting something for it. The reward is in "giving" not receiving. So why does one have to feel that they were getting a break in their hospital bill for their participation?

Do you think some think this because that is the only way themselves would give up their time?

The Duggars have for years given their time and efforts for helping others in need. This is just one event of many.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Maybe they are texting to another family memember. Most teens who have cell phones text so showing them texting may not be trying to prove this or that. It is just something they choose to do.

Nicole said...

"That shot of the frozen supply of breast milk was "insurance" so when Michelle gets pregnant again, people can't rant and rave about how Michelle is not supplying Josie with precious nutrition."


Michelle is storing breastmilk because that's what a breastfeeding mother of a preemie does. She has to pump to keep up her supply so that if Josie ends up being able to actually nurse later Michelle will still be lactating. To keep up the lactation in the meantime means constant pumping, and she isn't going to "pump and dump", she's going to save all that precious milk. So hopefully Josie will be nursing soon, and then she will be able to drink the frozen breastmilk from a bottle long after she is weaned, the longer she can have breastmilk the better.

I think her motivations are pretty straightforward and don't have to do with an outraged public. How would people even know what Josie is eating later on?

babysteps said...

Who was the older boy at the phoneathon? He sounded functionally illiterate or at least at a reading level far below his age. Why was he having such a hard time reading a card?
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That was Joseph. He is really shy. Jinger said she made only one call.

It looked like the only ones answering the phones were Jana, Jill, Jessa, Jason, Josiah, Joy, and maybe Jeremiah. James, Jinger, Joseph, and Jed didn't or really struggled with it.

They have some really shy boys in that family. I know Jim Bob said he was very shy when he was young. I think public school could have helped these kids come out of their shells more.

Anonymous said...

When Jinger was being interviewed during the show, I was struck by how much she looks Josh. Did anyone else ever take note of this?

Celestie said...

and she isn't going to "pump and dump", she's going to save all that precious milk. So hopefully Josie will be nursing soon, and then she will be able to drink the frozen breastmilk from a bottle long after she is weaned, the longer she can have breastmilk the better.

That is all well and good, but breast milk, under the best circumstances, can only be frozen for 6 months. Assuming she is going to nurse Josie, when she gets home and for the following 6 months, her current stock would be outdated. Perhaps she is planning on feeding her the stocked milk and work on conceiving #20. It is all about bringing children into the world, no necessarily doing what is best for them, after they are here

Anonymous said...

"A broken bone, some stitches, bumps and bruises are all a part of childhood."
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I agree that some of us may judge the Duggars more harshly than other families whose children have accidents, but what bothers me about the possibility of injury with the Duggars is that these are things that are SO easily preventable! A broken bone doesn't have to be part of childhood - it wasn't part of mine. Now for a kid who plays sports, that would be one thing. A toddler carrying and dropping a baby absolutely doesn't have to happen. I agree that kids should be kids and be able to engage in activities and have fun, and if they end up with a couple bumps and bruises because they joined the track team and fell or tripped while out on a hike that they enjoyed, at least the overall experience outweighs the minor injury. I think most of our concern comes from the things we see that are just sensless disregards for safety that really don't have to happen rather than accidents that happen during enriching experiences. Those kinds of things are just part of life - being crushed by heavy equipment or dropped on your head by a sibling who shouldn't be carrying you in the first place are not.

Anonymous said...

To add to my recent comment about senseless disregard for safety vs. "accidents," I'd like to add that this is the difference between adults and children - adults are (or should be) responsible enough to know what's safe and what's not. Kids don't have the instinct, ability or impulse control to make these decisions. This is what irritates me about Michelle and JB's lack of attentiveness - kids will be kids, but that's not always the best thing. There are plenty of things kids aren't qualified to do, and that's why we have adults. Michelle and JB should be looking out for their safety, but they aren't, and that's what bothers me.

Anonymous said...

When my mom gave birth prematurely to my youngest sister, she pumped and froze a lot of milk. Even after the baby came home and could be breastfed, having the frozen milk made it easier for someone else to feed the baby when she was hungry and my mom couldn't be there right away; if she was in the shower, at the store, etc. That said, I do think that Michelle Duggar has put by more milk than she can possibly use up, especially if she's breastfeeding too!

Anonymous said...

Jinger totally looks like Josh. A couple of the other kid also resemble him a lot. If M is spending 6-8 hrs a day pumping, good thing she has the girls and Gma Duggar to do all the rest of the work. I nursed both my kids for a long time but I can't imagine spending a third of the day on it.

Anonymous said...

Why does Jinger have an iphone? I mean I can understand a cellphone.. no big deal. But an iphone? Aren't those kids restricted from the internet and 'worldly' influences? Does Jim Bob monitor which apps she downloads? Ridiculous.

Nicole said...

" but breast milk, under the best circumstances, can only be frozen for 6 months. Assuming she is going to nurse Josie, when she gets home and for the following 6 months, her current stock would be outdated. "


If kept in a deep freeze, breastmilk can be stored for up to 12 months. Josie shouldn't have much trouble getting to drink the stored milk before it's outdated. They also don't have to wait until the baby's weaned to dip into the supply. It can be used for convenience at any time.

Josie might not ever nurse at all, many preemies never learn how and are fed entirely by bottles until they are weaned. Michelle's "Dairy Queen" supply will get probably get used either way!

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Just because you have an I phone does not mean you have access to internet. Maybe the teens were all given I phones free and use it without the internet. I have a cell phone yet I do not text as I have that featured blocked from my phone. I can not text nor receive a text. I guess she has an I phone because she "can".

Iliketheduggars said...

"Amazing that Michelle thinks nothing wrong with her preschoolers hauling around her one year old like she is no more valuable than a sack of potatoes. Watching Jackson or whomever that was carry Jordyn down the stairs was horrifying. I was so afraid he would drop her.

Michelle also thinks that there is nothing wrong with roughhousing and sliding down stairs."

Neither do I. Then again, I had a few very active, fun-loving, rough-and-tumble boys. REALLY hard to imagine the energy level unless you've parented the rambunctious rascal type; short of tying them up, we were NOT going to be able to keep them quiet and demure at that age, especially during the winter.

So the mainstays of our living room furniture consisted of a Little Tykes jungle gym and teeter-totter, a mini-trampoline, a crib mattress for jumping, and a toddler basketball hoop. I also turned an empty appliance box on its side, filled it with pillows, and wedged it between the wall and the bottom of our staircase... for the boys to land in while stair-diving.

FWIW, they are well past the toddler age, and all still alive and kicking. The only ER visits we made were asthma-related. Even the baby survived being carried around by his brothers, long before age 1, with no dropping episodes (that I'm aware of, lol).

Seems like the 14 or so older Duggars turned out okay after their stair-diving days were over, too, so I'm going to have to give their safety-consciousness the benefit of the doubt at the moment.

winsomeone said...

"Hooray!! No obnoxious Josh last night!! Thank you producers for the break!! It is so evident you read this blog.."

I seriously doubt that, but I do imagine they have their own source of feedback, and the things that concern the writers here, are also the concern of many others.

winsomeone said...

"When Jinger was being interviewed during the show, I was struck by how much she looks Josh. Did anyone else ever take note of this?"

Half of the kids look like Josh, or take after Michelle, and the other half look like John David, and resemble Jim Bob more...at least that is what I think. Most of the ones who resemble John David more, seem on the shy side. Except for Jordan.

joyruns said...

Better to have too much frozen breastmilk than not enough. I pumped A LOT for my son when he was in the NICU for several reasons. First, I wanted to keep up my milk supply. Second, when the hospital started feeding him milk from the bottle, they would often warm up more than what was needed. Any leftovers had to be tossed. I was amazed at how quickly my huge supply began to dwindle! Third, it was the only thing I could do for my baby, so I was going to be sure to do it well!

Also, the frozen milk can be used later to mix with rice cereal when the baby begins to eat food.

Kelly said...

I don't understand the need for the kids to even have cell phones, except maybe John David, since he is always running around and doing all of JimBOb's work.

But Josiah? WHo is he texting, and why? And why would Jinger need an IPhone? It makes absolutely no sense.

I think Michelle is stocking up on milk for Josie because she is ready to go for Number 20, and she knows her "milk changes" when she is pregnant.

B said...

I agree with everyone else that it's a miracle none of the Duggar children have been seriously injured. It seems like JB and Michelle pay zero attention to safety. I remember watching the episode where they redid the Bates home and was horrified at all the small children running around in the middle of the construction project.

While I think too many parents are overprotective, there's a big difference between letting kids be kids and downright negligence. In the Duggar household there are just too many children running around at random and not enough adults to watch them.

And I have to laugh as well because people on blogs have criticized JB and Michelle for:

allowing cameras into a sterile environment
not having the boys serve as buddies
Michelle not showing affection toward her children
the kids being isolated from their peers

And voila! This episode features Michelle kissing Jordan, the kids playing with Jinger's iphone, Justin being a buddy for Jordan and the camera crew in gowns.

At least we didn't have to see that isufferable Josh, so this was a good episode for me.

Nicole said...

Why are we begrudging Jinger an iPhone? All the older kids in the family seem to have them too. They should be able to choose what to do with them, which apps to have, and use them to chat and text with friends. Jinger mentioned on the last epi that she has friends. We've also seen them texting. Why is this weird?

Cyn said...

Jinger herself answered the question as to who she would be texting and or talking to... Her friends. I finally got to watch some of the newer episodes and the one where they are doing the Today show she said "I called my friends after the show and asked them if they saw me leave and come back with Jordyn."

As has been stated multiple times on this blog and others. They have lives outside of what has been filmed for the show. They have friends, activities and yes even lives that are not shown on the show. They may never be shown on the show for various reasons, one of which could simply be the parents of their friends do read these kinds of blogs and simply do not want their children exposed to the snarks the Duggar children are.

As for why it is an iPhone? Could be an AT&T cell tower on their land and they get the minutes free, and iPod gave them the phones for little to nothing so they would be shown on national TV. I haven't noticed but are they the new touch phones? Or are they the older versions? Either would be good publicity for the phones themselves.

Ivan said...

Kelly said...
I don't understand the need for the kids to even have cell phones.......It makes absolutely no sense.
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Probably so they can talk to their friends. There's around 18 of them living in that house, they can't possibly all be able to use the land line, if there is even a land line. I would guess than most kids, once they get to 13-14 y/o, start having friends and I'm sure they want to keep in contact with them, especially while they've been moved to Little Rock for a few months.

You know these people have friends and connections outside of their house, right? Just because it isn't on TV doesn't mean it doesn't happen...

Anonymous said...

About the phones, I would guess that these kids are taught not to answer the land line if they even have one. you wouldn't want them to pick up the phone and have some weirdo on the other end. Likewise, I doubt their parents want them to go online to sites like the blogs or like "Free Jinger Duggar" and read what is being said. I certainly hope they try to protect the kids from that until they are adults. No kid should have to read that kind of speculation about their family by perfect strangers. I know people like to say it is only fair because their parents exposed them by putting them on TV but it is never pleasant to read criticism about those you love and is totally unnecessary in their case. I am really glad they aren't allowed free access to the internet.

nccalgal said...

IMO, Joseph is not illiterate, he's just a very shy individual. There are plenty of people who have a problem reading out loud even though they have no problem reading to themselves. Add a unfamiliar situation and a camera trained on you, and you have Joseph stumbling all over the place while reading the cue card. If JB is supposed to be one of the producers, why would he allow his son to be seen in such a bad light?
I also noticed that they had a very tiny bow on Josie after all the comments about the oversized ones they had on her before.

Marybeth said...

Michelle has said on TV that they use blocking software on their internet and only allow about 75 approved websites for the kids schoolwork--the on-line school itself and the sites to research, plus sites to do games, watch approved movies, etc. If any of the kids want to go outside the approved "zone" they have to have either Michelle or Jana type in a password and then have someone sit next to them and chaperone them while they navigate outside, or "freely" on the internet.

The Duggars are fully aware of the dangers of the internet. That is why I'm sure that they either have the service blocked completely from their cellphones or have it seriously filtered, as you can do per a service I heard Dave Ramsey recommend--even for iphones.

And there are many reasons why their friends may not appear on the TV show---
a) their parents simply don't want them to
b) everyone who does appear on camera (the man on the street interviews, the nurses, doctors, etc) all those people, while I'm sure don't get paid still have to sign waivers to appear on screen and perhaps their parents don't want the legal hassle
c) maybe TLC wants to keep the show more Duggar focused and not add in more people--we did see the sound guy's children spend the night as an example of "friends spending the night" perhaps that was supposed to be enough of an example to the audience
d) maybe the Duggars are trying to keep their children's private lives private while their family life is public

Ms. B said...

In response to JUSTIN carrying Jordan: Justin isn't a preschooler or a toddler as many have refered to him as. I think he is 7 years old. Additionally I think the whole safety issue has been blown out of proportion. I think probably JB&M just know how to pick their battles with the kids, you know, with 17 kids at home, every one of them probably does one thing each day that could be reprimanded. JB&M have said before that instead of only punishing their kids for the negatives, they praise them for the positives. Therefore, if the kids choose to slide down the stairs and haven't gotten seriously hurt while doing it, why pick a fight there? JMO.

Anonymous said...

I thought it was pretty revealing that the kids didn't know how to answer the phone or speak to people. One of the things I hear so often is how home schooled kids can socialize and interact with people of all ages because they aren't stuck in a room full of kids their own ages all day long.

I think they are pretty careless with safety and some of what they do I think oh well I wouldn't do that but I guess it is ok, however, my heart skipped a beat watching that boy carrying Jordan down those stairs. He may be 7 but that is too young to be carrying a baby down the stairs.

Anonymous said...

I agree that the safety issue has been blown out of proportion. Justin is 7 1/2 and definitely not a toddler. He was carrying her carefully and she appeared to trust him. I would not see it as ideal but not something to get too upset about. The kids sliding down the stairs is a very common game for kids and I have never seen one get injured from it personally or seen one come in to the ER when I worked there from a cause like this.

As for the kids and the power tools and the kids and the cars, we are only seeing the camera view and don't know who else is there watching those children. Their are about five toddlers, four middle children and five older teens and 20's, In additon there are 3 adults. That really is enough people to supervise the five toddlers. I know when we have a big family party the little kids are a lot less trouble because there are older kids and young adults watching them. These kids are also used to the buddy system so there is always someone watching. Justin may be Jordyn's buddy but I believe Jana is also her buddy. I would bet someone is making sure she isn't left to crawl around upstairs unsupervised.

Of course there is also the camera guys who seem to have become almost part of the family and would not let a child get run over, etc if they were in the vicinity.

Anonymous said...

I need to make a correction to my post re the toddlers and supervision. There are actually only 3 toddlers, JoHanna 4 1/2, Jennifer 2 1/2 and Jordyn 1 year and 3 months. Jackson will be 6 in May and we can't count Josie yet as she isn't toddling anywhere and won't be for another year by which time JoHanna will no longer be in that category.

This also shows how the children can get enough attention. There are only 3 toddlers and one baby at any given time and they of course need the most attention. Jim Bob seems to give the little ones quite a bit of his time. Michelle despite the critics has been seen on every episode spending some time and attention on her toddlers and of course all those teen age girls give the little ones attention. The middle children would probably would be the easiest to neglect but they get time while someone supervises their schoolwork. They also get individual attention from Jim Bob as they are boys and he is teaching them to be boys and do boy things. JoyAnna spends a lot of time with her big sisters but I would guess she also spends time with her Mom and the new baby. This is just my idea of how it would work and jusdging by the happiness I see on their faces I do not feel concern for these children.

Iliketheduggars said...

Regarding the stair-diving incidents...

Does anyone think the safety debates on this board are due to generational differences? I think as a whole our society has become more safety-conscious or more paranoid, depending on your perspective... and many things that are considered unsafe today were not given a second thought ten or twenty years ago.

So perhaps JB&M are parenting their youngest kids the same as they did the older ones, when jumping on a trampoline without a safety net or feeding a baby lying down were not frowned upon.

And maybe whether our own children are babies or all grown up and safe now affects how shocked we are or not at the Duggar safety practices.

Genuinely curious... any thoughts?

Anonymous said...

By the good grace of God no one in that family has been seriously injured. Their tempting of the fates, however, with all the ridiculously unsafe actions, may catch up with one of those kids. Head injuries are very nasty and life altering. I wouldn't wish that one anyone, but I don't allow my children to slide into their heads, swing from the chandeliers, crawl out of roofs, play behind construction equipment, etcetcetc.

And I would never ever let my four year old carry my baby. Poor little Jordyn. Why can't her mother EVER carry her? I have never seen Michelle pick that baby up since she was being breastfed. How very sad.

Anonymous said...

I did plenty of "stair diving" in the 1980s. My brother and I would use sleeping bags (the silky kind) to get going really fast. My parents didn't think anything of it until the day I knocked out a tooth. Then I wasn't allowed to do that any more.

I don't think it is a generational thing so much as a "been there, done that, lost a tooth" thing. I MIGHT allow my kids to do that as long as they were supervised and didn't use the sleeping bag trick. I also doubt I would let them go from the top of the stairs, I think just a few stairs would be okay.

roddma said...

I wonder too who would the Duggar kids be texting unless it's one of the Bates. Maybe its to make them look normal. If you saw their ealrier shows and specials, only Jimbob and Michelle had one cell phone. Iphones arent cheap unless you buy them at online auctions.

True they may have other friends to text from church camps and retreats whose parents dont want them on tv. They would likely follow the same beliefs as them.

Anonymous said...

Regarding the attention the kids get, I think it's the middle kids who get the least attention. I'm talking about the kids maybe 5-12. I'm not saying that any of the ages get ENOUGH attention, but I think this is the group suffering the most. The older teens have special individual needs that I also worry aren't being met sufficiently. The teens are important ages to really get to know your kids. The babies and toddlers of course have many needs as well, but they also seem to get at least some attention. Those middle kids though, I really worry about them. Those are the ones that are difficult to even tell apart or remember because they all kind of blend together. I think from Johannah down they at least get some attention, and from Joyanna up, they do as well, but those middle boys are the ones running around with nothing to do and no one paying attention to them.

Kit said...

Does anyone think the safety debates on this board are due to generational differences?

No. JB and Michelle are not THAT old - only in their 40's. There are plenty of people their age who are having their FIRST child.

I would venture to guess it's a combination of cultural attitudes (rural lifestyle)and lack of educational curiosity (don't read newspapers or magazines, so they don't see current research findings), combined with the challenge of actually trying to parent/control that many children.

babysteps said...

The only stair diving I ever did was by accident. Our stairs were too steep.

I just worry that Jennifer or Johannah might get home to Tontitown and try that on their hard stairs. That's gonna hurt!

Anonymous said...

Josie is scheduled to go home Tuesday April 6. I live in Little Rock and know someone who is friends of the family. That's the plan as of right now.

Willow #1 said...

I really agree with some of you who are worried about the kids getting enough attention. I feel that attention from others may help, but it is never the SAME as attention from parents. Those boys are so cute and sweet. I think they are good kids - probably because they have each other. Its a miracle. Only time will tell. Maybe, since they don't know any other way, they will be o.k. JMO

Mama in WI said...

About the kids answering the phone at the telethon...it's not just answering the phone. From what Jinger said it sounds like there was a whole procedure for recording pledges, etc. It was their first time doing it and I imagine there was some pressure not to screw up. Plus, the woman running the telethon mentioned that the Duggar kids were answering the phones, so who knows if they were getting questions like, "Which Duggar is this?" or even more personal things. I could see that being awkward for any teenager.

All in all, I think they did well!

Anon 3:14 said...

"....combined with the challenge of actually trying to parent/control that many children."

If the Duggar children were properly parented, they wouldn't need to be "CONTROLLED".

Michelle merely looking on as her children were stair-diving was outrageous. Oh wait, we don't "see" everything that goes on, so surely after the cameras were turned off she told them to stop. Doubt it.

I'm sure the children did a good enough job answering the phone, now JimBob can negotiate a reduction of his hospital bill. He has been proudly filmed talking about negotiating for tires, hotel rooms, dentist visits, cell phone coverage, and the latest internet blog story about how he tried to negotiate a $120 grocery store trip down to $80 with the cashier......why is so so hard to believe that JimBob didn't ask for a discounted hospital bill after his children worked the phone-a-thon ?

Anonymous said...

osie is scheduled to go home Tuesday April 6. I live in Little Rock and know someone who is friends of the family. That's the plan as of right now.

4/03/2010 12:30 AM
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Yay Josie! I wonder if home is Little Rock or Tontitown?

Anonymous said...

I thought many of us have said that Jim Bob and Michelle should allow these children especially the older girls to lead more normal lives and have opportunities just like other children their own age. But when they do, then they are criticized. And when they don’t, they are criticized. I so I can’t understand all the controversy over the kids having Iphones.

What Michelle actually said was maybe some of the smaller ones shouldn’t have been taking phone calls because she was afraid maybe they would forget to ask their name or their address and then the donation would be lost. I think comments should not be taken out of context.

I just think the kids were “scared” to do the telethon because they were afraid of making a mistake. I am the same way. When I need to do something like that I can just imagine saying the wrong thing or forgetting to take all the information that I need to or something like that. I think it is a very normal thing especially for children.

Why should anyone think the Duggars get a discount on their hospital bill for volunteering for the telethon? Hospitals just don’t work that way. You wouldn’t get a discount for volunteering to work in the laundry! Hey it would be great if they did then we wouldn't need healthcare reform! I don’t think shy kids do well in any environment and certainly not in public school where there are more kids to pick on you for being shy.

Marybeth said...

Regarding the comment about homeschoolers being able to talk to multi-generations better than regular schooled children because they aren't "cooped up" and the performance on the telephones--if you've seen the 3 seasons of the show, you'll know that the Duggar children are incredible at speaking to perfect strangers maturely and respectfully. Why? Because perfect strangers walk up to them in whatever city they are in and ask them questions about their family all the time. There is a big difference between that and taking random telephone calls in a telethon.

I worked phones in customer service for years and even seasoned I dreaded every call that came in--you're either born to take cold calls or you aren't, and doing it filmed for television? That only adds to the nerves, even if you are used to being filmed.

Marybeth said...

I agree with the "generational" point made in raising children. The Duggars are in their 40s so they were children in the late 60s and 70s. Back then no one thought of car seats and helmets and safety gear for bikes and skates. Yet somehow here we are. I'm 40 and I used to ride standing up between my parents in the front seat when I was a little kid. I'm sure Jim Bob and Michelle were raised the same way. Our generation was raised riding in the back of pick up trucks. We'd ride in little red wagons down hills. No one thought any better of it.

Of course now all the Duggar children wear car seats, have bike helmets and safety gear when they do sports, but I agree that there's a change in mentality in the past 30 years or so regarding safety. We do want our kids to be safe and protected but at what point is over-protected and no longer having any fun, just sitting on the couch?

Marybeth said...

I highly doubt that Michelle hasn't held Jordyn. I think part of the issue is that we are only being shown footage of her at the hospital, not at home. When she is at home, she's leaving to go to the hospital. There is a lot more going on than the 30 minutes we see. The episodes we're seeing are also a few months behind real time as well, and after her surgery there was a lot she couldn't do--like lift children.

I'm sure that now, in real time, she's back to holding and cuddling her children as she always has. Just because we don't see it, doesn't mean it isn't happening.

Anonymous said...

Just because we don't see it, doesn't mean it IS happening. We have seen years of Michelle walking off into the sunset holding hands with Jim Bob, miles ahead of her daughters, who are carrying the babies and pushing strollers She never even looks back. She doesn't cuddle children who fall down, or even those who have gotten lost, as whichever boy that was on the subway.

Even on every one of the Today show episodes, others (the older girl and Jim Bob) are holding the babies. Not Michelle.

She's the least matronly mother I have ever witnessed. Even neglectful mothers hold their children.

The proof is in the pudding.

Anonymous said...

"I thought many of us have said that Jim Bob and Michelle should allow these children especially the older girls to lead more normal lives and have opportunities just like other children their own age. But when they do, then they are criticized. And when they don’t, they are criticized. I so I can’t understand all the controversy over the kids having Iphones."

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I can't speak for everyone else, but what bothers me about this is the inconsistency. Some may believe no teenager should have an iPhone to begin with, but I don't think that's where we're all coming from. I don't see anything "wrong" with the girls having them. I'm happy for them that they get to be "normal." What bothers me is that I feel like JB and M aren't always being honest with the viewers, and I worry that they've let some of their original values go, in which case I wish they'd just admit it. It all goes back to their motives for continuing the show, and since they've done so on the premise that they are so different or have special rules that make their family unique they'd better continue to follow them if they want to stay on TV, IMO.

Anonymous said...

On the generational topic, I actually wouldn't use that word to describe it. Plenty of parents who grew up in different generations have "updates" their childrearing principles, so to speak, to those that are used today. Most people don't raise their kids the same way they were raised, or society would never change. I see parents all the time who grew up differently than kids do now, but they raise their kids based on current research and safety practices.
I think it's just a lifestyle/cultural/rural thing for the Duggars. I live in the south, and a family I knew from Lousianna taught their 13 y/o son to start up the pickup and do all kinds of things that most of us would think were unsafe, but they lived in the country and it worked for them, and just like the Duggars they didn't watch TV and kind of lived in their own little world. Then there are those of us who are more in touch with today's culture and stay up-to-date on articles, safety tips, and advice from others. I'm not defending the Duggars' practices, just saying that I believe this is where I believe their lax safety practices come from rather than the fact that they're in their 40s (that's young! Lots of parents are in their 40s or older).

StepUpForOnce said...

Well the proof will be in the matronly pudding come Josies homecoming; insofar as SuperMom Michelle Duggar stepping up to the plate (for once)
How old , calendar-wise, is the infant now? WillMichelle adhere to her 6-month-handoff, or, alter the usual plan this time? I would bet she and JimBobDuggar are itchin' to get another bun warmin' in that overused oven.
JMO ofCOURSE, and yes we "don't see every minute of their lives and every discussionthey have each and every day , so how do we KNOW that this is what they do or are plannning.." etc etc etc.
The kid better drink up all the CARE she can get these next few days, cuz the atmosphere is gonna be Mighty Different once "homecoming" happens.
Poor kid.

Iliketheduggars said...

Seems like at least some of the children of a mother who ignored them and was not affectionate would be cantankerous, rebellious, un-affectionate robots who would constantly fight with each other for their parents' attention, and show extreme jealousy whenever a new baby came around who would divert that attention away from them.

Seems like the older girls, who have been sheltered and imprisoned and have only their parents as an example, would emulate that distant mother's behavior when they were caring for their younger siblings.

However, with the Duggars we see 18 exceptionally well-behaved, loving siblings who work and play well together, are genuinely affectionate with each other and their parents. We see older sisters AND brothers scrambling to get to take care of a "buddy", we see love and affection to all the youngest kids, we see excitement about each pregnancy announcement and new baby who arrives home, we see older kids giving so much love and affection and care to the young ones that Mom is criticized for not doing enough.

That's an awful lot of proof of something...

Anonymous said...

I noticed that when Jordyn was nursing, Michelle had her strapped to the "Breast Friend" with a smothering nursing blanket, all day long. We never saw Jordyn's face, only her legs, because Michelle had to make sure we saw that baby nursing all day long---on a float, in a classroom in front of children, etc.

So, if she really WERE holding Jordyn now (or any of the other kids), we really would see it.

We don't see Michelle doing that, because it isn't happening.

She only cares about pregnancy and nursing (or pumping). There is no visible emotional connection with any of her children once they are weened. The saddest part is that those little kids really need a mother. But their mother is emotionally absent.

I really feel sorry for all both Jennie and Jordyn.

Meg said...

I think Justin being so sweet with little Jordyn speaks volumes about this family. They are obviously doing a lot of things right, and I for one, would like to know what it is. I love my children dearly, but if I'm being honest I'll say they are turning out to be more materialistic, selfish, and lazy than I'd like them to be. And most of the kids I see around me are pretty much the same way. If Michelle is only worried about "popping out another one", like so many are saying, then why is she going to all the trouble of making sure the older ones are all reared properly? Why aren't the children rebellious, disrespectful, lazy, and contentious? Why are the children kind and helpful to each other and have a heart for serving? And why do each of the kids look so darned happy?

I don't know exactly what the Duggars are doing to create these wonderful well-raised children, but I wish I had taken a few pages out of their book a long time ago when my children were young.

babysteps said...

The episode got me curious about the buddy teams in the family. I know Jill, Joy, James and Jennifer are one team. Now we know Justin and Jordyn are part of a team.

Does anyone know all the teams?

Anon 3:14 said...

"Why are the children kind and helpful to each other and have a heart for serving?"

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I have seen, in recent episodes, a younger Duggar boy stomping the back of his younger sister (don't know if it was Johanna or Jennifer).

I've seen a younger boy dragging another younger boy across the tile floor in the entry-way of the Duggar home.

I've seen one of the younger girls (Johannah?) jump onto the back of the production crew cameraman.

I've seen one of the younger boys slap the hand of a younger male sibling in the episode where the younger children are attempting to peel potatoes.

Kind and helpful to each other? That's not a very good definition of kind and helpful behavior.

Anonymous said...

Here is the anwser straight from the TLC website. However, this was from just before Jordyn was born so may not be quite up to date;

Team 1 = Jill, JoyAnna, James & Jennifer

Team 2 = Jana, Jason and Jackson

Team 3 = Jessa, Jeremiah, Justin & Jordyn

Team 4 = Jinger, Jedidiah & JoHanna

Joseph and Josiah are old enough to take care of themselves and are Dad's helpers now that Josh & John David are working outside the home.

Olders are paired with youngers to help with chores, Schoolwork, music practice and to be a mentor & friend

Just another lurker said...

The Buddy Teams are:

1) Jill, Joy-Anna, James, Jennifer
2) Jana, Jason, Jackson
3) Jessa, Jeremiah, Justin, Jordyn
4) Jinger, Jedidiah, Johannah

This leaves out Josh, John-David, Joseph and Josiah; with no word on where Josie will be placed.

(info from the quiz of tlc.com)

Anonymous said...

A nursing mother should be holding and cuddling her infant, looking into his/her eyes and really bonding. Michelle hid her babies (at least Jordn) under the nursing blanket and walked around with her under there all day. Besides being smothered, Jordyn didn't have eye contact with her mother, couldn't see out into the world, and was basically held hostage on the "Breast Friend".

Whether breast or bottle feeding, holding your baby and making eye contact, is very important. Michelle let the Breastfriend hold her babies, and covered them up for her silly modesty. So, she didn't bond at all. No wonder Jordyn and Jennie seem so detached from Michelle (Jennie seems very much connected to her real mother, Jill).

Sugar Booger said...

Meg said...
I think Justin being so sweet with little Jordyn speaks volumes about this family. They are obviously doing a lot of things right, and I for one, would like to know what it is. I love my children dearly, but if I'm being honest I'll say they are turning out to be more materialistic, selfish, and lazy than I'd like them to be. And most of the kids I see around me are pretty much the same way. If Michelle is only worried about "popping out another one", like so many are saying, then why is she going to all the trouble of making sure the older ones are all reared properly? Why aren't the children rebellious, disrespectful, lazy, and contentious? Why are the children kind and helpful to each other and have a heart for serving? And why do each of the kids look so darned happy?

I don't know exactly what the Duggars are doing to create these wonderful well-raised children, but I wish I had taken a few pages out of their book a long time ago when my children were young.


Well said. My kids were raised in a Christian household but were given very little responsibility and are spoiled and self centered. All of them. I love them, but I am afraid the real world will be tough on them.

Anonymous said...

It is a matter of opinion that all the kids are so well behaved and work and play well together. I see kids jumping on each other, stomping on each other, I have seen slapping each other. I really think they are normal kids, often times worst behaved than normal kids, and really don't see anything extraordinary about them or their behavior.

Cyn said...

A nursing mother should be holding and cuddling her infant, looking into his/her eyes and really bonding. Michelle hid her babies (at least Jordn) under the nursing blanket and walked around with her under there all day.

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We are assuming this based on 30 min episodes filmed over any number of days. Michelle has used this same item from the youngest boys on down for if not before that (I can't remember how long ago they came out)

First we are upset that Michelle has an issue with showing skin, then JimBob films skin during Josie's birth. Michelle then brings it up again about no mommy skin showing, and we give her grief about it.

Now we are upset because when she is where any one can see her the infant is under the blanket? We are then assuming that all feedings are occurring this way. I can't go that far.

I breast fed all my children during the day under a blanket if I was in public or had friends over. It didn't hurt my children at all. There were other face to face feedings during the mornings and or on days when I was the only one home. (after the 2nd child this is almost not possible)

For all we know Michelle can doing some feedings in a quiet room (better for mom and baby I agree) but she is also a mother to other children and needs to also be able to feed one, talk to 3 more, and watch 2 more over there. This is true once you have more than 1 child.

She's at least breast feeding and not just handing the baby over for bottle feedings.

babysteps said...

Team 1 = Jill, JoyAnna, James & Jennifer

Team 2 = Jana, Jason and Jackson

Team 3 = Jessa, Jeremiah, Justin & Jordyn

Team 4 = Jinger, Jedidiah & Johannah
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Seems like Jinger has the best deal here. Jed is 11 and can watch out for himself. Maybe Jinger will get Josie but not for awhile. Maybe they'll give Josie to Joy Anna since she's 12 now.

Jana must have her hands full with Jason and Jackson. Those two are very outgoing.

Anonymous said...

I think Jinger had the "best deal" in the buddy system because she was only 14 at the time they made that list.

Iliketheduggars said...

"It is a matter of opinion that all the kids are so well behaved and work and play well together."

Yes, it is my opinion, based on the fact that I have raised and am raising kids, ages 7-25, and have taught kids ages preschool through 8th grade. Against that background I believe the kids are well-behaved.

"I see kids jumping on each other, stomping on each other, I have seen slapping each other."

Normal... especially for little boys, and for kids who are encouraged to be active and not sedentary.

"I really think they are normal kids, often times worst behaved than normal kids and really don't see anything extraordinary about them or their behavior."

I disagree, and have stated why. Do you have anything on which to base this opinion? I'm not being mean, I'm just trying to understand your particular viewpoint, which seems to be shared by many on this board. I just don't know a single person in my circle who feels that way about the Duggar kids... if anything, I hear about how they are TOO well-behaved.

Anonymous said...

iliketheduggars said:

"I see kids jumping on each other, stomping on each other, I have seen slapping each other."

Normal... especially for little boys, and for kids who are encouraged to be active and not sedentary.
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No, this is not normal, if children are raised not to jump and stomp on their siblings or other children, and are properly supervised.

I'm all for encouraging activity in youngsters, but I certainly discourage inappropriate behavior, especially if it involved jumping or stomping on something other than the ground or a trampoline, etc.

This just seems to be a difference of opinion as to parenting and what is acceptable behavior. I know that my children were not allowed to strike others, slap, push, jump on others. The same held true for treating our home and the furniture within it with respect.

The rules were clearly expressed, were enforced, and my kids learned how to behave. For an outlet for my sons' exuberant energy, I took them outside to play every day that I could, to the park to climb on the jungle gym and run around and holler and tire themselves out, got them involved in sports like youth soccer, swimming lessons, etc. My husband took them on hikes on the week-ends to give me a break :)

Yes, children are full of energy naturally. Boys often have a louder more boisterous energy. That doesn't mean we throw up our hands and excuse their bad behavior and our poor parenting by saying 'oh, that's just natural.' In my mind, that's a cop out.

I feel the Duggars were more strict with their first born children, and that's why we didn't see this sort of wildness on their earlier specials. They had so many children that neither JB nor Michelle could keep up with the same level of attentiveness and discipline and the younger children are more raised by their buddies/sisters than mom and dad. I'm not putting blame on the girls for their younger siblings lack of manners, because ultimately the responsibility lies with the parents.

Anonymous said...

Well behaved children do not climb all over kitchen counters in their shoes, do not eat with their dirty hands, do not punch or stand on their siblings, do not ride scooters or bounce balls in the house, do not hang from ceiling fans, do not slide down stairs face first, do not carry around babies when they are still babies themselves, do not climb or hang from everything in the house as if the house were a gymnasium.

Well behaved children wouldn't mock other people in public, whether it is their wedding gown or ethnic food or dancing.

It's very true that we don't see any sassing from the Duggar kids, no talking back, etc. But we see plenty of very bad behavior that most of us wouldn't put up with for five minutes.

Anonymous said...

The jumping on other kids, stomping on a little kid, climbinb the outside of the stair were all incidents that happened when Michelle was in the hospital and before they went to Little Rock. I think these things happened because Michelle with her quiet influence and gentle voice was MIA and the kids were feeling the stress and acting out.

The children are boisterous and we do see them do things like skate boarding in the house. Part of that is probably due to the fact that 6 little boys came along in a row and part because some of those things, like climbing on the counter to observe are not things that have been made to be against the rule in that household. I have heard Michelle reprimand James for bringing his skate board into the house.

The running in the "ballroom" is something "normal" kids are very likely to do given a chance and Unless it is done with very dirty shoes shouldn't hurt the tough finish on that floor. I seriously doubt anyone will get hurt sliding on that stairs and it is a way to work off energy for children who don't have their usual outdoor activities and large home yard to enjoy. They are doing the best they can in a crisis situation.

Anonymous said...

"Why aren't the children rebellious, disrespectful, lazy, and contentious? "

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I have one word about this statement: JAMES.

Iliketheduggars said...

I also was formerly of the opinion that a small child's activity level and resulting behavior could be controlled by parents and good discipline... until I had our middle sons.

Every professional I encountered said "Normal. They'll settle down as they grow up. Give them lots of opportunities to run off energy." I think I've already mentioned the mini-tramp, crib mattress, Little Tykes climber, etc. that became our living room furniture.

Those two are now teenagers, gifted honor roll students, musicians, popular, who still need a lot of activity but are thankfully old enough to find appropriate outlets themselves. They are not ADHD, but probably just this side of it, and we found out in middle childhood have all sorts of food and environmental allergies (something I've wondered about the younger Duggar boys), which can contribute to the activity level.

True, my parenting skills may be lacking, similar to the Duggars, as far as active boys. Or we may have, through trial and error, just altered our perspective on what's normal, changeable, or important in the long run.

Anonymous said...

The kids ran around, hung on everything, jumped all over the counters, stomped on each other, rode scooters in the house, etc. in the Tonitown house too. Watch any old episode and you can see rambunctiousness that is beyond normal---it's rude, unsanitary and much of it is unsafe.

Michelle was there---just checked out in her parenting, as she has been for years.

Sarah said...

In regard to the little boys' behavior, I think Michelle also clued us in that the kids do get "caught" on camera and then have to face the music when their parents see these things that are being done on camera. I'm curious as to whether any of you have seen the kids misbehaving when their parents or older siblings are around and them getting away with it.

Iliketheduggars said...

"Why aren't the children rebellious, disrespectful, lazy, and contentious? "

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I have one word about this statement: JAMES.

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I don't think there's anything wrong with James either, but for argument's sake, let's assume there is.

That's still 1 out of 18... a far better record than a lot of families...

Cyn said...

My children have climbed on the counters, helped cook dinner, dropped the potatoes in the trash, and all the rest. You wash the counters and the potatoes before you cook them and life goes on.

By involving them in the process now she ensures she will have helpers later.

The Duggars have never claimed to be expert parents, in fact has said numerous times they are NOT parenting experts this is simply the way they have decided their house will work. They have gone 20 + years with little to no major injuries, food poisonings or anything else something is going right.

Just because their fans have tried to build them up into "super parents" doesn't make it so. It also doesn't make them the worst parents on the block either. The Duggars have even won parenting awards...

Everyone has different rules at their house, our house you can go stair diving, climb up on the counter and help, get your own dishes down, and prepare your own snack.

They are allowed to roller blade on the wooden floors, play ball in the house (to a degree not full blown tackle ya know lol)... Wrestle each other to their hearts content.... or until one of them says STOP. I have seen a 3 yr old bring the 13 yr old to his knees with a well placed kick... neither was hurt and the older one learned not to tick off a determined 3 yr old by playing keep-a-way. They like the Duggars also know how to behave in public. It's called compromise and it's the compromises WE decided as a family. The entire neighborhood comes to OUR house to play inside and out, and their parents are all fine with it. (we made sure the parents were aware of our "lax" rules of conduct, at their friends houses they follow those rules.

REAL safety issues I do have a problem with:
Cutting tile with long hair hanging down.
Riding in the scissors lift as it goes up and down.
Hanging out the side of the cherry picker while cutting a limb lower than the basket with a chain saw.
Moving the cherry picker without making sure there were no younger kids hanging off it.
Riding in the front scoop of an earth mover.
Letting the kids walk back up the 'water slide' while others are sliding down.

Meg said...

I didn't say the children are perfectly behaved all the time. I'd think it was way weird if they were. But the stuff we've seen is very minor and age-appropriate. The children mature with age and are admirably selfless and well-behaved as they grow. Little James - I'm sure we've all had a child be difficult and argumentative a time or two before? I'm not worried that he'll grow in maturity out of that behavior just fine.

Amanda said...

Re; the boys jumping on each other-

Isn't one of the rules of the house not to raise a foot to kick? I know in the technical sense they are not kicking but aren't they raising a foot?

Then they are disobeying their PARENTS rules? ;)

Cyn said...

Yes they are disobeying, and it was pointed out that when that was filmed Michelle was in the hospital and so was JimBob. The camera man caught 2 kids breaking a family rule, no one caught them that we know of at the time it happened.

Children their ages will break a rule when they are excited, riled up, off their schedule, or when they just flat out want to be defiant. Michelle never said she had perfect children. Her FANS have tried to make it seem so.

Michelle simple shows us and tells us that she corrects them with a quite voice, and they praise 10/1.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

If you were to take the term "never to raise a foot" litterally one would not be able to walk as you need to raise your foot to take a step.

When I see the boys do the things many claim as something negative, I see it nothing more than "horseplay", that most children do. I do not like it but I do not put it in a category of something out of controll or harming another child.