Tuesday, November 30, Duggars Speak Out

Still in Kentucky, the Duggars have a speaking engagement in front of the largest audience they've ever had. Will they be a hit or will the kids get tongue tied?


30 minutes
(Season finale)

113 comments:

Anonymous said...

The Duggars speak only Duggarspeak. That is, they all deliver the same rote responses to the same scripted questions. One of their basic themes is that they apparently live 'home, home on the range' - where never is heard a discouraging word. Come on, people. This is more a Disney cartoon than 'reality'. 18 kids (including a special needs preemie) + parents + grandma HAS to include more than the sanitized, packaged version of family life TLC and the Duggars spoon feed viewers.

Even loving, ethical people have disagreements. Have differing life goals. And, if given an opportunity to truly think and evaluate life, come to some conclusions that are at least slightly different than the rote, superficial rhetoric of the Duggar parents.

In short, Duggar speaking engagements will show nothing different than the brand shown on their program. The Duggars and TLC have conspired to present as real a one dimensional, superficial fairy tale of what real family life entails.

hannie said...

sounds boring. is this the last oen of the season?

Ohio Buckeye said...

I'd be willing to bet that most of us come from loving families with varying levels of religious fervor.

So, we KNOW that life in Duggarville, as shown on TLC, is simplistic and not at all 'reality'.

The Duggars and TLC fail to realize that REAL life, in all its humanness, all its triumphs and failures, is far more 'encouraging' than this pretend version of family life.

The Duggars belong on the cartoon channel.

Their speaking engagements are nothing more than brand promotion.

Reality TV Junkie said...

Did I see Jim Bob doing a book signing on the commercial? Or is it only a speaking engagement?

Anonymous said...

I don't think I'm going to watch the show anymore after this season unless the Bates are on an episode.

Peace said...

Reality TV Junkie said...

Did I see Jim Bob doing a book signing on the commercial? Or is it only a speaking engagement?

11/27/2010 3:43 PM
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Yeah, they all sign books for a huge crowd. It will be interesting to see how the kids react to all those people. They probably don't realize how popular they have become.

Anonymous said...

The question is whether the kids who can barely read and write will be asked to sign books with more than a signature.

Reality TV Junkie said...

The question is whether the kids who can barely read and write will be asked to sign books with more than a signature.
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I don't think we can make assumptions about the Duggar kids' literary skills, since we are not their teachers, no one has ever heard directly about their abilities, and that we only see them from mere television. It's impossible to determine their skills when we only see a tiny portion of their lives. Just my two cents.

ennvee said...

They probably don't realize how popular they have become.

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Of course they do. Someone had to book the venue with Jim Bob's knowledge.

We're going to be subjected to another Jim Bob speech about how he fears speaking to crowds, yet shows no evidence of stage fright (believe me, I know it because I suffer severely from that malady). They speak to thousands at those ATI conventions, and spoke to thousands at the Value Voters conference.

Even the Duggars aren't that clueless; quite the opposite as evidenced by the book signings at every event. They come prepared.

Peace said...

ennvee said...

They probably don't realize how popular they have become.

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Of course they do. Someone had to book the venue with Jim Bob's knowledge.


11/29/2010 8:06 PM
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I said the kids probably don't realize how popular they are. I'm sure the parents have an idea.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I do believe that the middle and older kids do know how popular they have become. The little ones have only known life on TV being Jackson and those younger have been on TLC since birth. I doubt if they know what life is like without TLC and the country knowing all of their business.

ennvee said...

I'm sure the kids know how popular they are. They have cameras shoved in their faces rather frequently. They've been in more than their fair share of parades, are VIP guests at venues none of us could hope to gain attendance (in their capacity).

I could go on, but even Johannah knows that they are somehow special; any of the kids who can connect the dots and realize that popular people have TV shows would realize that they have quite a following of fans and even critics. Heck, Josh addressed "critics'" way back when during a special when he got very defensive as he defined "individuality."

I won't go further than that; if someone posts here, they're likely familiar with the scene. Suffice it to say that the kids are definitely aware of their fame, as are the Bateses (the change in their wardrobe is actually sufficient of proof on its own).

Anonymous said...

The family does not come across as perfect nor do they claim to be. We frequently see/hear squabbles between different children and in fact I have seen the little boys described on one site as the "howling hordes". While I do not agree with that assessment I do see them as normal, sometimes naughty children who are in the process of being taught to be responsible adults. We can't have it both ways.

Allison said...

This is not the first speaking event the kids have done, so I am pretty sure they have a good idea. There are plenty of pictures of them at book signing events, speaking events, etc. They are always going with their parents to play their violins, so even if the kids don't speak, they are almost always with their parents. So I think they know.


They may not understand why they are popular, however, especially the young ones.

Anonymous said...

Let's just hope no one in this crowd is wearing all black and/or has green hair.

Horrors!

Anonymous said...

Maybe I'm just over protective, but in my opinion Jim Bob and Michelle are taking chances with their small childrens' safety at something like a large book signing/speaking engagement. There are just far too many little ones for even the assorted buddies to keep track of. Just think how easily a "buddy" could get distracted at an event like this and how quickly a little child could wander away. If I remember correctly, they've already lost Jackson at an airport.

Anonymous said...

We've already seen the many field trips where Jim and Michelle are walking ahead of the family, holding hands and oblivious to the whereabouts of the blessings. I "only" have five and when they were little, I was constantly doing head counts and trying to hold on to as many hands as possible. There is a lot that can happen. The Duggars have been lucky so far!

Anonymous said...

"Let's just hope no one in this crowd is wearing all black and/or has green hair."

For the record, it was Erin Bates who made the "green hair" comment, not any of the Duggars. This comment keeps getting attributed to the Duggars but it didn't come from them. Granted, it's easy to see any of the Duggar girls wanting to avoid someone with green hair or the like; however they've never made any statements to this effect that I know of.

Anonymous said...

They are celebrities making loads of money off their TV contract and their books. Living the busy, traveling celebrity lifestyle, of course they walk ahead of their children without concern. The only difference is that their "help" is not hired but comes free from their children.

grammargirl said...

The crazy fan girls #20 and #21 at the big church startled me. They were kind of scary.

And Michelle's poor grammar is really atrocious. ("We've never spoke...") The fact that she is teaching her children to continue this trend is frightening.

free_daughters said...

If I had been in that crowd, I would've slipped the older girls a card with my number and a note that they should call me when they are ready to escape and I will give them a place to stay.

hannah said...

not bad!!

Plese, I am sick of watching them barf. please stop talking about it.

I love Jackson. Zero to 100,000 people. Hes going to be a tough one.

I didnt like how Joy picked up her sister.

Jordyn sitting on the table handing things out. SO CUTE!!!

Cassandra said...

I'm usually fairly critical of the Duggars....so tonight should be no exception.....

Instead of nit picking the oddities of this episode, I just wanted to point out a sweet moment that made me literally tear up in the episode that aired on TLC directly afterward (the re-airing of the kids meeting Josie in the hospital last December 2009).

When Jim-Bob says enthusiastically to Jennifer "Yes, that's your sister", I totally crumbled. In that moment, I realized that all the negativity I spew the Duggar's direction cannot take away from the positive attitude that they embody in times of incredibly adversity. Here they are, huddling around an incredibly sick baby, none of them certain if she will even survive, and Jim-Bob is able to fight through his emotion and share in Jennifer's joy at seeing her sister. It's a hard moment to explain in words, but that scene so beautifully captures the essence of the Duggar's faith, positivity and family connectedness.

I guess I felt the need to post a different type of message as we near the holiday season. For the first time in a long time, this family warmed my heart rather than made me want to scratch out my eyes.

Reality TV Junkie said...

I think of all the Duggars, I enjoy hearing Joy-Anna and Josiah speak the most during an interview. I for some reason like the way they interact with eachother.

Anonymous said...

Isn't it dishonest of them presenting a "family orchestra" when at least 3 or 4 of the youngest kids are doing nothing but sawing on the strings without any note fingering? (i.e. they don't know how to play)

Once the show is cancelled, I see a traveling Duggar road show in those kids' future. (hence the shiny new and improved big bus)

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I do not think it is dishonest to have the younger kids join them even though they are not playing with sound. They are all part of the family even though they are not making any actual music. This is not dishonest being that they are not hiding the fact that the younger kids are not playing with actual violins.

I do not see them going on the road just for having road trips. I think they will do much of the same they are doing and buying the new bus is something not new as they always have bought vehicles as the family grows.

ennvee said...

Dear Jim Bob, Please give Jana your ATM card and send your five oldest girls out to get some clothes worthy of performing (because that's what they were doing) in front of 5000 people. Jessa was the only one who wore something comparable to the boys' suits. The others? That's their everyday wear for crying out loud. Sheesh, nice dresses can be had for cheap at Target or even Wally World.

Anonymous said...

Let me clarify...when I said I think they'll having a traveling road show in the future, I meant will likely travel from town to town performing and preaching (and of course selling their books and autographing them!) It'll be their next form of revenue; it won't be for pleasure or any kind of learning experience.

ennvee said...

I do not think it is dishonest to have the younger kids join them even though they are not playing with sound.

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I teach first grade and we have a music teacher who comes in once a week and teaches violin to the K-1 grades. I've held and played around with the little mini-violins. Believe me, they make sounds. Bad ones when the bow doesn't hit the string properly. I've heard the cacophony of half a dozen 5-6 year olds trying to play one note. It ain't pretty.

I think that accounted for a lot of what we heard tonight, but on other occasions when only the older girls have played, their instruments have been poorly tuned.

I understand music as a family activity, but really, every child does not have musical aptitude, let alone a gift. They play, but I'm sorry, other than Jill on the harp, I don't hear the passion from someone like Erin Bates or that bluegrass family. Same goes for the singing. It's a cute show to watch the littler ones get up and try some harmonies, but it was nothing special. It just says "Look at how many kids we have!"

ennvee said...

Okay, I have proof that Joy was wearing "every day" clothes at the performance. I'm on the west coast and watching the end of the marathon and voila! she's wearing the exact same outfit (top AND skirt) during the performance as she wore while they were pre-testing Josiah for his written driver's test (one of their "real" days at home.

She is also wearing the same shirt (pink polo) in the confessional.

Michelle looked better when she spoke at the less formal mom's luncheon (women wore SHORTS to that!) a few episodes ago than she did at the megachurch in Louisville.

Anonymous said...

Hey, TLC.... I am sooo tired of reading those stupid popups about "if all the duggars sneezed at the same time, it would cause a tsunami in Asia" argh...

We get it. There are a lot of them.

hannah said...

I think the suits are the same ones they had at the weddings.

Anonymous said...

grammargirl said...

The crazy fan girls #20 and #21 at the big church startled me. They were kind of scary.

And Michelle's poor grammar is really atrocious. ("We've never spoke...") The fact that she is teaching her children to continue this trend is frightening.

11/30/2010 6:15 PM
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Michelle doesn't really teach anymore. Most of the kids are computer schooled and the little ones are taught by buddies. Michelle has been tied down to Josie for nearly a year now.

Peace said...

free_daughters said...

If I had been in that crowd, I would've slipped the older girls a card with my number and a note that they should call me when they are ready to escape and I will give them a place to stay.

11/30/2010 6:27 PM
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I doubt the Duggar girls would want to leave their loving family to live with strangers.

Anonymous said...

That guy who wants to name his kid Jim Bob cracked me up.

5000 people was a lot for the Duggars. I wonder how the kids felt about performing in front of such a huge crowd but nobody asked them. Johannah writes her name really well but with all caps. Oh well, can't win them all.

Kitty said...

The Duggar children remind me of some twisted form of the Von Trapp children.

Ew.

Were those pillars with the Duggar name on it necessary? It's borderline worship with this family, sometimes.

Anonymous said...

I doubt the Duggar girls would want to leave their loving family to live with strangers
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Well they will never get married then the courtship thing does not get people close enough to know each other.

Anonymous said...

Yes, Michelle has very poor grammar, diction, should even go for elocution lessons. Credit where credit is due though, I will compliment her/him/them on how well the young children behave. The little one's are quite adorable. The older one's need to branch out a bit from the Ozarks.

Anonymous said...

Some quick observations:
Jordyn signing autographs was so cute!

JoyAnna slinging Jordyn over her shoulder however was not cute.

Jackson, as much I as love to laugh at him, needs to be disciplined seriously. He was literally bouncing off the walls before the speaking engagement began.

I know that many people like to encourge and share their message through song and music but for some reason I got an increased sense of sadness for the older ones (well actually the girls, I just realized John David was not in attendance). How long are the girls going to be subjected to these appearances were they walk out all in order by height and age, sing and screech (I am sorry but that's what it sounded like) on the violin? Jana and Jill especially are way too old for this.It seems almost humilating.

How long will the Duggars be able to profit off their "19 kids and counting" gimmick once the children begin to marry and move on with their lives?

Speaking of profit, since there were almost 5000, no doubt paying, people in attendance, I wonder how do Jim Bob and Michelle feel about profiting off of speaking engagments, book and autograph signings, etc.? If they are sharing their testimony from the heart how can they justify being paid well for these appearances? I like the Duggars and have watched them for years but tonight's episode made me very curious about so many things.

I am sure they are very well aware of their popularity and what it means to their family's financial well being but how do other large families survive? Not every family is going to be the Duggars and get the recognition they have received over the last seven or eight some odd years.

MOM IN TEXAS

Anonymous said...

I have mixed emotions when watching the older girls in this family. On the one hand, they look so well-adjusted, happy and content, which is something I can't say about any other young women I know who are around that age. On the other hand, I think it is flat-out strange and unhealthy that they aren't going to college or something of that nature at their ages. I wish they would do something like that. I'm not sure how to reconcile those two things. Couldn't they be both?

The pastor who introduced them wasn't accurate when he said "their entire family". They were minus Josh, John, and Josie, as well as Anna and Mackynzie.

Either Michelle's tops are terribly unflattering or she is pregnant, or simply holding on to baby weight. She straight-up looks pregnant.

I agree that the girls needed some cuter clothes for this event. Jessa and Jinger looked a little dressed up, but Michelle, Jana, Jill and Joy were just wearing their everyday clothes. Michelle's top was the same one she'd been wearing since 5 AM and traveled in, and it wasn't even cute or flattering to begin with. If you can't change into a nice outfit to speak in front of 5,000 people, when can you? Just my critical two cents. However, whenever they wear nicer clothes they tend to be criticized as selling out their values and living high on TLC money, so they probably can't win that one.

Overall I really love this family and I think they have it together in so many ways. In other ways they make me scratch my head, but by and large they are so loving and connected, and that is inspiring to me. I'll definitely tune in if they keep going for another year.

Anonymous said...

I think the violin playing is problematic because they are all playing together. The older kids probably are decent violin players, but who can tell when they're mixed in with the beginners? I think a better solution would be to have the older kids play a piece, and then the younger ones play a piece, then maybe they play one all together if they want to. That way the older kids can get some recognition for being decent violinists.

I thought the singing by the younger ones was very good, and so cute how they leaned in to a make-believe microphone. They sang with confidence and gusto, and sounded great in my opinion.

That's not Music! said...

If even a fraction of those 5000 people bought books to be signed (and it was a fair number, judging by the footage), Jim Bob was laughing all the way to the bank. I sure hate the way they mix religion and capitalism.

The "music" was an atrocity. It is enough already with those horrible screeching violins. I couldn't believe that anyone clapped. Just awful. I think when there are only little kids screeching away, it is one thing, but there were adults playing, and it was still terrible.

What the HECK with Joy throwing Jordyn over her shoulder like a sack of potatoes? I TIVOed the episode, and rewound and watched it several times, hoping I had miswatched it the first time.

I feel embarrassed for those older kids too. At least John David is no longer subjected to riding around in the bus and showing up at these inane events. Unfortunately, the childcare workers are not so lucky, and a few of them will probably end up like the older Maxwell girl---still at home at age 30. SAD!

Anonymous said...

They really do remind me of the Von Trapps, especially when they have to line up by height.

I used to like the Duggars, they had old fashioned family values which seem to be lost nowadays. But last night they looked like a crew of trained circus ponies, performing on cue.

I'm still scratching my head over the violin show. What were they thinking? It sounded like an elementary orchestra warming up for a concert. You could hear one or two really good players but they were drowned out by the rest of the scratching and screeching.

I noticed they loaded up the violins for the DC trip. I wonder if they performed there? Maybe it's a new thing. They really should let the older kids play and have the little sing instead. It would be much easier on the audience.

I also thought it was unfair that John David gets to work now and bow out of the road trips but the girls still have to go. But if the girls weren't there, JB and Michelle couldn't do the act because they don't seem to know how to handle more than one or two little ones at a time.

Just my two cents.

Anonymous said...

"We're not Perfect"

WEll, it loks like the Duggar have picked up on the public backlash against them ...After the public hearing how perfect they are for the last 8-9 yrs. (ex.. are children do not hit, we do not fight, ect.ect.)

People are sick of hearing: everyone is so happy and we have no problems.. NO One beleives it anymore.. And the Ratings show it!!

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I think the singing of the little ones was "special" because of the words of the songs. I was not so much interested in how well they sung or what they wore but the words to the song was touching. That is what I believe they are trying to do is touch people's hearts with the words and not to try to show them how many kids they have. As a Christian each time I hear the songs they sing it touches my heart and I saw that others in the audience were moved as well.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I did not see anything wrong with what they wore to this mega church. Were they suppose to wear something speical because the church was huge? I saw women wear jeans in the church so I do not think the size of the church meant they would be wearing special clothes to the event itself. It was not as if they were going to the NutCracker performance where I noted that the audience dresses up.

Perhaps the outfit Joy likes that outfit and wears it to perform as well as at home. Some people have clothes they feel comfortable in and wear it to all occassions. This is nothing new.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

How old is Johanna? In many schools all caps are taught first being there are no reversals such as you get with p, d, b and q. So maybe Michelle is teaching her children to read and write first in all caps. Personally I never did teach all caps first being 85 percent of what you read is written in lower caps, but then again I know that many do teach preschoolers to write in all caps.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I think it is far fetch to think that putting some names up is the same as worship. The children and the people who came to see them seem to be touched by the worship songs that the family played or sang so I doubt if they were worshipping the family by putting their names on the pillars.

Some people see the Duggars just as the Duggars want to be seen, that is as a Christian family putting God first. It is not so much that they are worshipping this family but seeing them and being touched by a family that truely is trying to honor God in raising godly children. That is the impression I got when the family was being introduced by the pastor.

The reality vs. the illusion on TV said...

"I am sure they are very well aware of their popularity and what it means to their family's financial well being but how do other large families survive?"

Through personal experience of having a large family and through the observation of other large families, the truthful answer to that question is that it IS difficult and has it's moments.

Many large families (past and present) do a fine job of parenting their children and providing necessities for them. Of course, "necessities" is a very "negotiable" word.

Many kids from large families start working relatively young so that they can either help the family unit financially as a whole or so that they can buy things for themselves that the family budget does not allow. There is nothing wrong with having a strong work ethic and working for the things that you want in life; it's a good thing to learn early on.

However, there are those large families who are in a much worse financial shape (for various reasons) and have little amounts of food in the house, utilities routinely shut off, and live through the pain and shame of being evicted and vacated from their home on a regular basis and then having to rely on the kindess of strangers to survive at all. These are the people that I worry about the most, especially the kids.

Duggar supporters routinely state that the Duggars are "debt-free", and were debt-free BEFORE the show. I don't doubt it one bit. If we look at the Duggar family prior to the TLC show, they were living in a house for free, until it was time to tear it down. Their family of 14 (I think it was) was living in that small, cramped house. Was it one bathroom? I don't remember. They wore home-made, handed down clothes and used shoes. They had worn-out, used furniture with little lace doilies on top. They were driving a used van.

They were building their dream home in bits and pieces as finances allowed, keeping all the work, "in-house". This was taking forever. Jim Bob had his commercial real estate holdings, his "tower" and all of that, and still, that's what he was able to provide for the family using his resources alone. I am sure that the Duggars, being the large family that they were even at that time were probably receiving "gifts" from church members, things like clothes, groceries, etc., as it is very common for this sort of thing.

Then the TLC show came along and their "lifestyle" skyrocketed! Their finished and furnished home, their vehicles, their vacations, etc. is due to their show, their books, their appearances and their fame.

Their current lifestyle is not due to Jim Bob's various business investments, it is due to what fame and fortune bring. Why can't we be honest about it? Why can't they be honest about it?

I seriously worry for the young and impressionable people out there that look at the Duggars and see it as a sustainable financial model for themselves. They're not going to know that the TLC version of what a large family "looks and lives" like is an illusion, at attempt to whitewash the reality of not only taking care of a very large family but to provide financially for it. They won't know that it was an illusion until they're far and deep into the hole with the whole QF kit and caboodle and then it's usually too late...I wish people would think about it logically.

I have friends that have exited the lifestyle that the Duggars espouse. There are a fair amount of divorces and other problems, the same or worse as the secular counterparts. The "lifestyle" did not provide immunity to the woes and the the ups and downs of life. I hope that the young and impressionable wannabe's think about that too.

Anonymous said...

Michelle really should get those younger boys into some kind of sport. Jackson was literally bouncing off the wall. They should be outside playing soccer, baseball, etc. etc. They do have a lot of energy, but Jackson has an extra bit. One of those little boys could be a major league player, if given the chance. You never know. It would sure be a lot more healthy than sitting on a big bus for a couple of days and staying up all hours. Mind you, practice for these things are usually very early in the morning. It would all be over by the time the Duggars are out of bed

Anonymous said...

Something about the Louisville trip has me puzzled. When they first set out, in last week's episode, Jim Bob says to the girls "It's time you learned to drive the bus." A few seconds later, in TV time, one of the girls is at the helm, going down the road, and I'm assuming the family was also in the bus (because they had just been shown loading up and climbing aboard).

So I'm wondering, don't you need some type of commercial drivers license to drive that bus? Besides the size of it, aren't the brakes complicated and gears? Is there an age restriction?

It just seemed a little to simple, as is often the case with the Duggars. Like when John David drove the old bus around the DC beltway at about age 19. Michelle was gazing out the front window, wide-eyed and pointing at the sights. Wouldn't she have been a nervous wreck with a teenager driving her blessings on the beltway? I think they were on I-395, which goes through the city and is worse than the beltway. Maybe it's just me, but I would have had my eyes closed and gripped the seat instead of saying "Oooooooh! Look children, it's the Washington Monument!"

ennvee said...

I did not see anything wrong with what they wore to this mega church. Were they suppose to wear something speical because the church was huge?

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That's not anyone was saying. The point being made is the INCONSISTENCY between Jim Bob and the boys' suits vs. Michelle's and the girls' (save Jessa's dress and Jinger's pintuck blouse) were their "everyday" clothes.

There is a disconnect within the family itself regarding wardrobe for these events, be they a small chruch, a mega-church, or the Values Voter Summit, for which they had played with the ENTIRE family (sans Josie) just a few weeks prior.

If they are there to do a job and people are coming because they revere them, dress to show those people (who in this case paid $5 a pop for the privilege) some respect! Either wear some nice khakis and polos all around, or suits and nicer dresses (NOT SKIRTS) for the girls.

The little girls were in cute, frilly little girl dresses that aren't "everyday" wear. Why on earth can't that be carried out to the people who actually RUN THE HOUSEHOLD? Is that too much to ask for Jim Bob to open the wallet, let the moths fly out, and buy the women some nice duds for these events, which are a main source of income for them, since they're selling their book?

I'm sure the church put them up, and if they didn't the Duggars will write off expenses on their taxes. Either way, someone gets a write off out of it.

"Baby, you can drive my bus..." said...

Yes, leaving the driving of a HUGE commercial size bus complete with 20 people in it to someone just learning how to drive such a vehicle is scary and that is an understatement!!! The only thing I can think of is that when you have such a huge monster out on the road, the other vehicles tend to stay away. I don't know about the trucks though...the thought of that is quite unnerving to me.

I honestly can't believe that some sort of commercial licence is not necessary to operate a monster of that size and magnitude. I can't believe that you can just go out there in the yard, stick in the key, and start driving away like it's a brand new Ferrari or something! Maybe on Duggar-Planet, things are different, things that mere mortals/earthlings cannot wrap their minds around.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

"If even a fraction of those 5000 people bought books to be signed (and it was a fair number, judging by the footage), Jim Bob was laughing all the way to the bank. I sure hate the way they mix religion and capitalism."

I do not understand this remark. There is a parable in the Bible about a master who gave each of his servants a certain amount of money to invest. The one person who did not invest his money and earn a profit had his money taken away. The one who earned the msot profit was rewarded.

There is nothing wrong with capitalism. It is the love of money above all else that is wrong. Loving to make money is not necessarily wrong. You can do a lot of good with money. We have seen how the Duggars contributed to many causes such as helping build a rather nice home for the Bates and to take gifts and host a Christmas party each year in South America. I would not be surprised if they did a lot more than that with their money. Why should he not profit from the book signing and speaking engagements when others like former presidents do as well?

Alberta Rose said...

Seeing one of the kids nonchalantly sling her younger sibling baround brought a smile to my face as I remembered doing something similiar with my younger brother, as well as the way my oldest niece interacts with your younger brother. It was nice to see Jim Bob and Michelle allow their older children the freedom to dress as each child wanted to. I'm sure those in the audience who wore jeans to the event felt comfortable and at ease, able to focus on the message that was delivered, not on the clothing. The violin performance seemed to be more about tolerance than perfection, which in itself was a beautiful message. I thought the younger childrens singing was cute, especial since it was all boys.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Chances are the older girls like what they are wearing and that is their choice. I know when I was that age I too had a jean skirt that I broke in and wanted to wear it a lot. It could be that these girls chose to wear those simple looking outfits. I am sure if they wanted something more modern or frilly they could. I doubt if they are limited to those clothes. I know some of them have outside jobs such as baby sitting and could buy other clothes but then again they may just want to wear those outfits. I have a teen who would rather wear something made out of demin than a new frilly modern outfit.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

One does not really know if there was a commerical liscense NOT involved. In filiming we know from the past that often things are not done in the same fashion they appear. For all we know the driving lessons for the bus could have been given initially months ago and that the necessary liscense and practice has been done for quite a while.

Anonymous said...

My question is....if the "everyday/ casual/ comfy" clothing is good enough for the older girls to perform in, why do they dress the boys up in suits? I'm sure those boys would love to be wearing *anything* other than those suits.

If you are giving a performance as a group, the group attire should look cohesive. Either everyone is casual, or everyone is dressed up. (They would probably deck the girls out in those bridesmaid dresses if they didn't think it would look ridiculous.)

Anonymous said...

If I was paying to see the Duggars, then yes, I would expect bad singing, bad violin, and poor grammer. They are children playing music, and that is part of the "show." They are not the Von Trapp family; they are Duggars!!!

Michelle always wears the same tops, pregnant or not, to go with her modisty convictions. The woman could be 9 months pregnant, and I would not be able to tell. In one episode the older girls went to the house to get Michelle non-maternity clothes after she has Josie. I thought, really? She has differant clothes?

Lola said...

I think the girls look fine. I have 2 teens- you cannot tell them what to wear. Most teens I see wear hoodies and jeans. Dressing up is a clean t-shirt. I find most teens look a bit sloppy- it's part of growing up. It's easy to dress boys in suits or little girls in dresses. The older girls are choosing their outfits and look like regular teens.

Anonymous said...

I can't belive they re-ran some scenes of the family on the bus or elsewhere being car-sick. Who on earth wants to see it the first time, let alone a second? I had to close my eyes on that.

Surely the Duggar girl who drove the bus had to have some type of commercial license given the size of that monstrosity. It sure looks good on the outside, that's for sure, and he got a sweet deal for it since it was a repro.

Decades ago, we bought a one-ton pickup with a camper insert and I was a nervous wreck driving THAT. I can't imagine driving a bus. Good thing some are not a nervous Nellie like I am.

I hope that Josie continues to grow and improve. I believe she was born right about this time last year.

Kay said...

About the violin playing...

I've posted before about the family orchestra-- I spent 12 years in multiple orchestras, playing violin.

The reason they sound so sloppy is because 75% of them are trying to play the same part even though they have a wide range of skill levels. I could hear 3-4 violins (assumably the older girls) playing a more difficult part than the majority, and it was barely audible above the cacophony of squealing. I understand the nature of a family orchestra vs. a professional one, but, at the very least, the kids should play parts that correspond with their skill levels. They would sound much more organized and the less-talented/ experienced players wouldn't be squeaking so much.

Jana is acting as conductor while she is playing-- again, I understand this is a family orchestra and not professional-- but if you're gonna have an orchestra that is going to perform for people, you need a dedicated conductor. Otherwise, the orchestra sounds like a box of mice being tortured.

Traditional uniforms for orchestral performances are usually black bottoms with a black or white top. The biggest ones will often have their players in tuxes and formal gowns. If the Duggar boys are in suits, the Duggar girls should AT LEAST be in black skirts. Even elementary school orchestras enforce these rules. I understand children should be allowed to choose their costume, and I'm very much for the freedom of these children, but ANYONE who performs on stage should dress up-- especially if half of the group is in suits.

My Dad had me drive an RV without a special license (I also didn't have 20 siblings with me, tho). You only need a CDL for big trucks (I think it's 3 axles or more). The way I look at it, at least Jim Bob is giving the girls the freedom to drive the bus. Sex does not limit anyone's ability to drive-- only experience.

Sharla said...

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Anonymous said...

I agree about dark pants and white tops. It is the typical music attire, from elementary school on up, because it looks neat and uniform and isn't expensive. I am sure that they could have found white blouses or shirts, even in the thrift store, and we know that there are some black skirts floating around that house.

It wouldn't have made up for the tremendous cacophony of the screechy violins, but it is good practice to get into when performing.

Hopefully Sean will give the family the head's up.

Cyn said...

When the Duggars used to dress alike for outings and these "performances" people gave them grief about the matching clothes. Now that the girls can chose what they wear and not have to match every one in the group we give them grief.

Another one they can not win.

Anonymous said...

I'm forced to jump in at this point. The Duggars were performing as a family in a church for a couple of numbers. I used to be in a youth non-denominational singing group where we did five to ten numbers on average. We never ever worse any kind of uniform or coordinated black skirt/white blouse attire such as an orchestra would.

I also played with the band and orchestra for eight years. We always had a uniform or coordinated attire. One thing doesn't have a whole lot to do with the other.

Sharla said...

19 Kids and Counting (9pm)
- 1.520 million viewer
- 0.9/1 HH
- 0.6/1 A18-49

Anonymous said...

Dressing the boys in suits is a smart move. School sports team have a dress code when they travel - why? Because if the boys/girls are wearing more formal clothing, their behavior tends to be calmer, better. I think the Duggars are wise to dress the boys so well as it will help the boys to behave more appropriately in settings such as this one.

Anonymous said...

"I thought the younger childrens singing was cute, especial since it was all boys."

Weren't Joy and Johannah also in the singing group?

ennvee said...

When the Duggars used to dress alike for outings and these "performances" people gave them grief about the matching clothes. Now that the girls can chose what they wear and not have to match every one in the group we give them grief.

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I personally just want consistency. They are being PAID to perform. Michelle and the older girls should put on a nice dress, and no, it doesn't have to match. If Jessa wants to wear a print and Jinger a solid, go for it. Just respect the audience. If they want to go the orchestral route, but a little more casual than black suits and the white top/black skirt combo that women wear, go for white polos for all, khaki pants for the boys and khaki colored skirts for the girls for orchestral cohesion, that would be fine as well. But ONLY for performances in which they are MAKING MONEY.

FWIW, I was not allowed to attend church in jeans, let alone short shorts! Must have had quite the heat wave in Louisville that day (confirmed elsewhere as October 8th).

And I can't believe Jim Bob couldn't say something more meaningful at the end, even a prayer for all the micropremies out there, but brings the attention back to him by yelling, "Be fruitful and multiply!" Yes, Jim Bob, we know what you can do and don't have to be hit over the head with a cast iron pan to see it. Especially as he's parlaying it into millions of dollars, laughing his "nervous in front of crowds" politician, used car shyster-self to the bank.

I personally can't believe people still fall for the aw-schucks schtick. But I'll defer to him; he knows what sells in that market and caters to it.

Anonymous said...

CYN said:
When the Duggars used to dress alike for outings and these "performances" people gave them grief about the matching clothes. Now that the girls can chose what they wear and not have to match every one in the group we give them grief.

Another one they can not win.

Actually what people are saying, IMHO, is that the boys are all dressing very nicely in suits so the girls should dress in something nice as well. Not that they need to dress identically in Prairie Stepford Band clothes. Nor has anybody been overly judgmental about their clothing choice, people are just saying that if you're playing in front of a large group of people it is common to match the level of dress of the rest of your group. If the boys had been dressed in t's and khakis then what the girls had on would have made more sense. But they weren't. If I'm paying money to see a group of performers and that IS what the Duggars are, I'd like a little more bang for my buck. I don't expect all matching outfits but some overall theme would be nice. The boys' suits are fine though something more casual would be too, but the girls really need to pick something semi-nice with a theme (all skirts and blouses, color coordination) to go along with it. They're on stage getting paid to perform. This isn't your average 7th grade band recital, this is the Duggars playing so Duggar swag can be sold. It make it more or less a professional gig.

If you all want to go with flip flops and flowy skirts fine but then have the guys do casual too so it looks like you actually belong to the same group.

Anonymous said...

I wonder what will happen once those boys outgrow the suits and tie shoes. I guess one of the older boys can inherit Josh's suit since he probably (but wouldn't totally discount it) won't be part of the traveling performances, once the show is off the air.

Anonymous said...

I always figured the fact that the boys get suits to wear while the girls dress in their same every-day casual skirts, flip flops, etc. was a way of showing, without specifically saying so, that men are superior to women. We know that's what the Duggars believe and in going the extra effort to make sure the boys look professional and well dressed, while at the same time giving little or no thought (or money) to dress the girls in similar style, the message is clearly conveyed. Women = lesser.

As if that isn't already drummed into the viewer's mind every time they see an adult female Duggar child doing nothing with her life except serving the family as an unpaid servant, until such time as her father (the superior male) decides he will allow her to get married and "transfer his authority" over her to her new owner, errr husband.

Anonymous said...

Can the parents afford to buy their older daughters decent "used" clothing? I noticed on several episodes, Jill's jean skirt was too small, worn and tattered. And let' not mention those hideous flip flop sandals the girls wear through out the year (winter, spring, summer & fall). I recall one of their field trips to a park in Little Rock, (last season), it involved hiking in rocky areas, the girls had on flip flops. Is there something immortal that forbid the girls from wearing tennis shoes on occasion like this one?

Celestie said...

We know that's what the Duggars believe and in going the extra effort to make sure the boys look professional and well dressed, while at the same time giving little or no thought (or money) to dress the girls in similar style, the message is clearly conveyed. Women = lesser.

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I get the same vibe. I'm not in the camp of the black orchestra wear, but maybe some nice dresses, to match the style of the boys nice suits. Girls who wear a lot of make up and spend a lot of time on their long hair to look feminine probably would prefer pretty outfits to old beat up skirts. We have seen the girls in attractive blouses, so we know they can wear them.
I thought the entire episode a big yawn, with scenes repeated again, and again. The violin playing, not performing, was an assault to the ears, as was the singing. OK for boring the relatives at Christmas, but why a paying audience?
Wonder if John David stayed home to make sure there was a "man in the house" to protect the nurse, her helpers and Josie? Also wonder last week when he was called out on an emergency, why the two girls who are supposedly trained, were not called out?

Anonymous said...

"And I can't believe Jim Bob couldn't say something more meaningful at the end, even a prayer for all the micropremies out there, but brings the attention back to him by yelling, "Be fruitful and multiply!" "

Um, agreed. He is sooooo smug. I felt bad for all the infertile women in the crowd, who would give their lives for ONE child, much less 20. Fertility does not equal holiness, JB. I've heard that stupid "joke" at least 3 times on their show. Enough already.

Allison said...

Wonder if John David stayed home to make sure there was a "man in the house" to protect the nurse, her helpers and Josie? Also wonder last week when he was called out on an emergency, why the two girls who are supposedly trained, were not called out?

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I figured it was because John David has a job... everyone's always complaining that he still travels with the family. Maybe he actually decided to stay home and work? Josh also stayed home, again, because he has to work.

As far as the emergency, I figured that the girls didn't go because perhaps they weren't needed. We don't know how many volunteers are needed for a particular call, so I'm guessing they had others who are going out. Michelle has written in the TLC blog that Jana and Jill have gone out since getting their training.

Anonymous said...

"Their current lifestyle is not due to Jim Bob's various business investments, it is due to what fame and fortune bring."

There is no doubt at least some truth to this statement. However, I'd like to offer a bit of a different perspective. Yes, for years the Duggars lived in smallish homes, wore homemade and used clothes, etc. (although their used vans were really quite nice). But, the nature of real estate investing is that it's often a sacrifice-now-get-your-reward-much-later kind of thing. It isn't a static income that never changes. What JimBob was able to provide ten years ago isn't necessarily where the family would have stayed. They were beginning their upward climb before TLC, as partly evidenced by building their house. Even if TLC hadn't helped with the finishing, they still would have ended up with a large, fairly nice home by most people's standards.

I'm familiar with the lifestyle that real estate investing requires because my brother-in-law has followed this career path for the last 20 years with his fairly large family. For many years their family lived similar to the Duggars' early years, small homes, used clothing and cars, etc. in order to buy properties outright. When the the fruits of the investments began to roll in years later, their lifestyle improved accordingly and now they are quite well-off and live pretty high on the hog.

My point is, I think the Duggars would have seen a similar improvement in their lifestyle, even without TLC, as the investments began to pay off. Would it be as dramatic a change as with the TLC money? No. But no doubt they wouldn't still be living as humbly as they were before either.

I do see the point that other large families whose means of income don't have that same potential could be wooed by the Duggars lifestyle. But I think it's primarily because of the investing path that JimBob chose rather than the fact that they landed a TV show that is the reason they wouldn't be living in poverty regardless.

Anonymous said...

"the message is clearly conveyed. Women = lesser"

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I'm not a big Duggar fan, but I don't get the impression that's what the Duggars beleive. JimBob worships the ground Michelle walks on, and dotes on his daughters. They have all been beside themselves with glee that the last few kids have all been girls, and it can't be because they want them as caregivers, since they are the youngest. I've never gotten the feeling that women are disrespected or look down upon in that household at all. It could just be that the girls wore what they wanted to wear. Jessa did wear a cute dress, so obviously they do have access to cute clothes if they want them.

Anonymous said...

Would the real estate investments really have paid off in the current economic environment? I'm not so sure.

I agree with the posters that are saying that the women/girls could have stepped it up a notch in the clothing department. I don't get the impression that these are sulky teens that wear what only what they want. Rather, I think that they simply lack guidance. The girls obviously admire their dad, so they should take a cue from him rather than their mom who probably hasn't bought any new (to her anyway) clothes in years due to her weight ups & downs and typical selflessness of moms.

-Katydid

SuzanneDeAZ said...

The Duggars did well in their investments way before the economy went bad. They also have the cell towers which I hear may bring even more money than TLC. I doubt if the cell phone contracts will cease being their are so popular.

Part of their investment is in storage and when the economy is bad storage seems to be one of the things that people use as they store they goods while they are evicted or move back home.

Another thing is because they have cash they can buy things, use them, fix them, improve on them and make $$. I have a brother in law who makes more money this way than he does in his own business.

Anonymous said...

they make the bulk of their money off the cell tower.. I know this because, my uncle owns a tower not to far from theres...
Just think of every cell company..I can think of 10 LOCAL companies..and thats not the world companies such as verizon..

eash company pays rent to them for that tower each month..

they make ALOT off that tower..trust me.. my uncle has the same companies they do..and let me tell you.. HE MAKES a MASSIVE amount of money off it.

Anonymous said...

The place they live in is really remote. I think i would be pretty nervous staying in the house with just a little baby. Of course, the camera crew must have been there. It looked pretty dark outside, with very minimum lighting. I sure hope Jim Bob has some pretty strong locks on their doors

Cyn said...

Would the real estate investments really have paid off in the current economic environment? I'm not so sure.

Actually because of the way The Duggars and the inlaw to anon buy the property they are in EXCELLENT shape in this current environment. They don't have a mortgage to cover with the rent, so if they need to lower the rent to get people in they can do so(either housing or storage); where as people with mortgages to pay can't or at least can't for very long.

If they can't get renters in for 6 months or a year that would be fine, only money they are out is the yearly taxes, small if any utilities and send a boy over every now and then to mow the lawns and do a bit of up keep.

The stock market and the housing market are having blue light specials left and right currently; While both markets will eventually 'recover', when they do, all the rock bottom deals will be worth 2,3, 4.. times as much.

Buy low sell high, and continue to roll profits back into investments. The Duggars have said this is how they got where they are today, (property records would prove or disprove their stories)I was taught this was either good long term investing or being good stewards (econ/ Sunday school classes).

TLC money aside they were nearing the top of the hill as TLC came along and just pushed them over faster. Would they be exactly where they are without TLC money? I doubt it, but from their past I would guess they would be close to it.

Anonymous said...

I also know someone who leases their property for cell tower use - and while it brings in a nice income, it certainly doesn't bring in enough to feed and house a family of 20.

If JimBob was making scads of money from that cell tower before the show, then how can one explain the extreme scrimping and saving they had to do?

Please - clearly, the money started rolling in after they got the TLC show, money, perks, trips, etc. It's not from the dang cell tower lol.

Anonymous said...

I think "the Duggars were doing very well before TLC and the show" is darn near dead horse too. There simply is no agreement between those who think the Duggars were poor before and wealthy now and those who don't.

Anonymous said...

Before TLC, there was a two or three bedroom, one bath house with 16 people. Doilied old used furniture, matching outdated clothing, used everything. No technology. Mom actually teaching the kids.

Now it's Ipods, Iphones, Mac computers, granite and stainless steel kitchens, brand new buses, trips, airplane and otherwise, name brand clothing, jewelry, tanning, makeup...

I'd say TV has made a huge difference in the lives of this family. The question is, would Jesus agree that it is a GOOD difference to have let greed rule their lives?

SuzanneDeAZ said...

The savings and being frugle have been part of the Duggars for years so it has nothing to do with the fact that they started to earn big $$ by having the cell towers. It is NOT all TLC. If TLC went away today they still will be doing pretty good. Those cell towers and rental property do bring in money and then they have speaking engagements and book selling which all bring in the $$.

Anonymous said...

If TLC had never come along I think it is safe to say that Jim Bob and Michelle would have made sure that the kids had a roof over their heads, clothes and food on the table given his real estate investments, cell phone tower and the family's culture of frugality.

Would there have been trips to the Louisville Sluggar Museum, Creation Museum, the submarine, etc. etc.? Probably not. Would there have been 4-wheelers and a bunch of cars from the Josh's car lot? Probably not because the car lot would have been needed to be making more money for Josh to support his family because there would not be TLC money. Nor would there be as much money coming in from Duggar books or other Duggar merchandise since their notoriety without the TLC publicity machine would be much smaller.

There'd be less trendy clothes on the girls just because there would be less money to purchase them. The TTH would have taken longer to complete. The furniture would have been more mix and match as would the appliances and it would have taken longer to get everything in place. It would have gotten done but at a pace more in line with a family that has a steady income but that income is being divided among a lot of people.

The Duggars would have been fine without TLC. The TLC money just let them get their house project completed at a vastly accelerated rate. It's given them more disposable income to spend on slightly trendier clothes for the girls, iphones, 4 wheelers and undoubtedly helped set Josh and JD up in business.

And I think that's the most important thing, you can't go back to little house on the prarie bonnets once you've had aeropostle baby. The nature of the family has forever been changed by the addition of the TLC money. You don't miss what you never had. The older kids grew up with not much but now the younger ones are growing up where it's normal for them to go on trips, have 4 wheelers, bouncy castle excursions, leggings and not bonnets for the little girls. You can tell a child from dawn til dusk that material things don't matter. But if what they see is that you have sold their privacy for shiny trips and a bigger bus?

Anonymous said...

"Um, agreed. He is sooooo smug. I felt bad for all the infertile women in the crowd, who would give their lives for ONE child, much less 20."

JimBob's comment was in poor taste, that's for sure. There are many other things he could have said that would have been more appropriate. He likes to joke around and thinks he's funny but one has to have good judgment as to appropriateness of jokes. However I doubt there were any childless/infertile couples in the crowd. I don't think a childless couple would have much interest in the Duggars.

Anonymous said...

"TLC money aside they were nearing the top of the hill as TLC came along and just pushed them over faster. "

Exactly. Because they were so frugal for so long and saved money to purchase their properties debt-free they are in a great position now despite the current economic conditions. Not having any mortgages on their properties is what makes the difference. I'm sure the TLC money has helped, obviously, but they were on their way up, at least a big notch or two, before TLC entered the picture. A cell phone tower by itself might or might not provide enough money to care for a family of 20, but that isn't their only investment.

JimBob really rubs me the wrong way with a lot of things, but I have to admit I admire the way he and Michelle run their lives financially. It takes a lot of self-discipline and delayed gratification to do what they did for so long. I dont' think I could have done it.

Allison said...

If JimBob was making scads of money from that cell tower before the show, then how can one explain the extreme scrimping and saving they had to do?

Please - clearly, the money started rolling in after they got the TLC show, money, perks, trips, etc. It's not from the dang cell tower lol.

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Well that still doesn't make sense. Whether they are making money from TLC or from their cell phone tower, you still didn't offer a suggestion for why they are still scrimping and saving.

Is it possible, perhaps, that the Duggars are NOT making that much money from any one place and that they continue to save and spend wisely simply because they have a lot of people to provide for? Even if they did get paid quite a bit from TLC or the cell phone tower, they still have to pay taxes. Then divide that by 22 people (including Grandma), that is not a lot of money.

Honestly, until TLC or Jim Bob and Michelle come forward with how much TLC is paying them and what exactly they are being paid for, I don't think we should assume they're millionaires. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't, but we haven't been given any indication as to where the majority of the money is coming from and in what quantities. Clearly, they still value second hand items, and I assume they must have a reason for that, whether or not we think it's a good reason.

Anonymous said...

I wonder what happens to the TLC money the older children (over 18)get paid? Do they have any control over it or does it go into the family pot?

Anonymous said...

They may not be paid separately. Reading the stories of some other families that have been on TLC, several have said that only one check was cut made out to the ABC family. It all depends on the contract made with the family and individuals involved.

Anonymous said...

Allison said: you still didn't offer a suggestion for why they are still scrimping and saving
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Do you think the Duggars are still scrimping and saving? Because from what I see on the show, it doesn't really appear that way to me. Of course, everyone sees things differently. But I see a family who has a number of expensive vehicles, a huge home that is very well furnished, the latest in cell phone technology (and we know that the monthly bill on all those phones must run to the hundreds of dollars alone), not to mention they rented a home in Little Rock for months to be near the hospital, ... and finally, the enormous expense they must have from Josie's birth, long hospitalization, and continued follow up treatment and care. (Not that they should scrimp on her medical care!)

So no, I don't see them as scrimpers and savers right now, but I do definitely agree that before they got the contract with TLC, they had to spend every single penny they had very carefully.

Can we at least agree that the Duggars income has gone up quite a bit since they got the TLC show? I mean, that seems like a reasonable statement to me. Before ___ Kids and Counting, they had income from real estate investments and the cell phone tower. After ___ Kids and Counting, they still had that income, but now they have thousands of dollars in income per episode, plus they are in greater demand to speak publicly (for a fee in most cases I would imagine), plus book sales.

I guess I just find it implausible to think that the bulk of their income is from a cell phone tower, and not from TLC. The increase in their income is demonstrated by an increase in their style of living.

Anonymous said...

Tonitown is NOT remote by any means. At one time is was out in the country, but now it is 5 mins or less to a busy 4 lane road, 10 mins tops to the nearest hospital, with 2 others within 15 mins.

Unless you live in the area or know the area you are speaking about something you do not know.

Anonymous said...

Is it at all possible that the Duggars are in fact making good money now, but that they continue to be wise with their money so as to insure that they will still have money long after TLC is gone?

Kay said...

"I don't think a childless couple would have much interest in the Duggars."

This is a rash assumption... my husband and I are childless, and we watch the show every week... You do not need to have children in order to be interested in the Duggars.

"Tonitown is NOT remote by any means. At one time is was out in the country, but now it is 5 mins or less to a busy 4 lane road, 10 mins tops to the nearest hospital, with 2 others within 15 mins."

I think the term "remote" is subjective. Tontitown seems remote compared to my area (northeast)--
when I look out my window, I see dozens of houses on lots that are an acre or smaller. My neighborhood is in-between 2 major highways and I'm 20 minutes outside a major city. Look out the Duggars' window and you see grass, a not-very-busy road, and rolling hills. Around my area, you're way out in the boonies if you have this landscape.

Reality TV Junkie said...

About the dress for the performance: The boys were wearing suits, which are formal. The girls were wearing skirts, which were also formal. Just because you were something often doesn't mean it can't be nice or sophiticated. I think the wardrobe was FINE.

Anonymous said...

I guess "formal" is also subjective. I don't think jeans skirts are at all dressy. Such a skirt would not pass muster at my job, which is "business casual." IMHO, while it might be my favorite, the very fact that I wear an outfit on a daily basis around the house & running errands would tell me it is neither special nor formal.

-Katydid

Anonymous said...

That's what I was thinking too Katydid -- that denim skirts are not on part with the suits worn by the boys. One is dressy, the other is casual. Just because it's a skirt, doesn't make it dress-up wear.

And flip flops are the epitome of cheap and casual. Nothing says "I didn't feel like bothering" than showing up in flip flops for a paying audience.

Further, the fact that the girls wore their "everyday" clothes, while the boys did not, cannot be disputed. One set of kids were dressed in different, and dressier attire, than the other set of kids. That's a given. The reason for it is pure speculation.

I remember when I was growing up, parents took pride in presenting their children for special performances, and made sure they wore something special. I guess the Duggars only halfway agree with that concept?

Cyn said...

"...paying audience"

The "audience" paid all of $5.00 per adult (kids were probably free they usually are) at that price they go to listen to the adult Duggars give their speech, watch the kids strangle a few cats... opps play the violin, and sing a few kids songs.

It also garnered the privilege of standing in line for hours waiting on signatures. From what I could tell of the people on camera they got their monies worth. Dressed up or not.

Anonymous said...

Wasn't that a fundraising week for the church? The Duggars may not have been paid anything beyond being reimbursed for any travel expenses not paid by TLC.

Anonymous said...

Why does the show mostly feature field trips, speaking engagements, and Josh working at the car lot? Don't get me wrong, I enjoy watching this show, but why don't they feature their daily activities at home. Why not show the actual homeschooling taking place and what they are studying. Does Michelle ever lose her temper or her patience? How about a show featuring her handling some of the stresses?

Anonymous said...

"Before TLC, there was a two or three bedroom, one bath house with 16 people. Doilied old used furniture, matching outdated clothing, used everything. No technology."

It wasn't quite THAT bad. They were done with the two bed/one bath house by 5 kids. They lived in the 3 bed/2 bath house for 10 years or so after that. Tight quarters to be sure, but another bedroom and bathroom make a huge difference. Plus they made a huge laundromat in that home.

As far as technology, they did have four or five computers in their old house they used for school, you can see them in the early specials. Most of the kids weren't even old enough for cell phones at that point anyway.

True about the furniture. But I know lots of people who have furniture like that, especially with young kids around who tend to ruin anything nice. Heck, I still have some furntiure like that. It beats sitting on a sawed-off log. Not that big a deal. It didn't look to me like they were living in poverty or anything.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Michelle mentioned in one of her earlier espisodes, one before she moved in the huge home, that she was not interested in making her "now" home all "that", when it comes to decorating. some people sacrifice and delay gratification so they can have it later. Michelle said that she was buying nice items to decorate her dream home and buying furniture and storing it. What you see when they moved in their new home most likely have been items she has saved and put away in one of their storage units. It may seem that over night they became Rich with TLC but I do not think that is the actual picture. They have been working and investing for years and maybe the fruit of their labor and investments did not manifest till her "dream" home was completed, then she put in it the decorations and items she has been so faithfully putting away for years.

Sharla said...

The apparel issue has been thoroughly thrashed. If anyone wishes to discuss it, please only with something that hasn't already been said. Thank you.

Coleen said...

The violin concert wasn't good, but I guess the little ones wanted to participate. When the older girls play they sound decent but not ispired. From a prev post, I had never heard of the Maxwell family so I looked it up. The oldest daughter is 28 or 29 and is a SAHD or stay-at-home daughter. I wonder what she does all day. I have heard of SAHD in there late teens or early twenties, but almost 30? I read an article that a new trend among wealthy families is for unmarried daughters in their 40s and older to return home and care for aging parents. They are also called SAHD, but at least they were allowed to have a life in the world.

Jen said...

Th Duggars saved and paid cash for the house. That is why they scrimped and saved. That was their goal - a new big house, their dream home.

After that dream was finished, the money that was being set aside each month from the monthly budget could then be used for other things, like cellphones and newer clothing.

That alone could give a perceived jump in income level by on lookers.

Anonymous said...

I am puzzled. Clearly, the Duggars are making money from TLC for their show. We can all agree on that at the very least -- that JimBob and Michelle receive a sum of money from TLC for this show. (Whether the children, besides now-married Josh, see any of that money, is unclear.)

I do not know how much they are paid per episode, only that they receive a contracted amount per episode. I do know how much Jon and Kate were paid at one time, and it was a healthy sum in the five figures, per episode. The Duggars film perhaps 20 episodes per season, times (let us choose a conservative $25K per episode, with the understanding it might be much more) and you have $500,000 per season. That's half a million dollars.

(BTW, per Wikepedia, there have been 20 episodes so far in this season; Season 3 had a whopping 28, while Season 4 had only 17)

To a family who has a large brood of children, and who were scrimping and saving, wearing only used clothing, taking years to save for, purchase property, and then slowly build their new larger home, one half of a million dollars increase in your annual income is a huge deal.

I actually think I'm on the low side for what they earn per episode, considering they have been one of the higher rated shows on TLC for the past few years. Hmmm, maybe if I were one of the adult young women, I could put up with being a nanny/housekeeper/cook/cleaner, if the payoff was a very nice lifestyle and some amount of traveling the country, rather than getting married to a guy with his own struggling small business, a fixer-upper home, and back to wearing second hand clothes and scrimping on everything.

faline said...

I love the mirror in the girls bedroom. Does anyone know where it came from?

ennvee said...

What you see when they moved in their new home most likely have been items she has saved and put away in one of their storage units.

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Actually, the furniture used when they moved in had to be unwrapped. It came straight off an advertised truck in the Moving In special. They've kept most of it (the brown couches, loveseats) and ADDED a few of their old items, such as that hideous flowered loveseat (I think Josh and Anna got the matching one). Definitely bought used at some point from the rec room of a retirement home.

I actually don't dislike the new furniture they recieved; the darker earth tones balance out the beigeness of the rest of the place, and besides, the brown hides stains. :) Not a big fan of the curio, but that's because I prefer clean lines to the more Victorian cabinet they picked.

At any rate, the majority of their "moving in" furniture, save the bunk beds (not sure, but I think the girls' beds were all new), was promo/freebie stuff in lieu of services rendered on the special.

We need a December discussion thread. The girls have recently whitewashed their beds (you can still see the "distressing" the designer applied. I think they also re-stenciled their names, which were peeling off in some instances.

jonandkatewho? said...

Just recently came across this episode on youtube and watched it.

I have to say it was among the most boring episodes I have ever seen. But then I have said many times that this show puts me to sleep. It literally does.

I don't get why over 4 thousand people would want to hear anything the Duggars have to say in the first place, but I would bet the entertainment portions were not well appreciated. Ugh, those kids playing was just horrible and the singing not much better. How odd.

Something which I find very annoying about this show is the way they repeat certain portions of the interviews over and over. Michelle will make a comment and in the very next scene she is making the same comment again! Do they really have so little to offer that they must endlessly repeat the same things over and over? Not very entertaining. I don't see how this show stays on the air, I really don't. It is probably one of the most awful, boring shows I have ever seen in my life.