Tuesday, November 9, Duggars Take a Dip

It's in the pool! Find out if the Duggar kids sink or swim when they take a swimming lesson and have some fun in the water. And watch as Michelle visits a Mother's Morning Out Program to share her child-raising tips!

30 minutes

I must comment that it should be rearing not raising.  The Duggar children are not vegetables.

99 comments:

Sharla said...

Hi, folks, let's try to keep the speculation in check before the episode airs this time, please. I've already rejected two comments that made statements of fact about something we haven't even seen yet. Thanks!

Allison said...

There were a couple mommybloggers who wrote about this when it happened. If you google MOPS and Michelle Duggar, those posts should show up. In case anyone is curious about the perspectives of the women who went.

hannah said...

Good for them, swimming is somthing important for them to learn.

I hope Josie is at home with a budy and doesnt go near the pool or with her mom. too many germs.


I cant wait to see how they have swimsuits for someone as little as Mack.

Cyn said...

I for one would love to know where they get those modesty bathing suits "second hand", or where they can be bought on the cheap. NOT because I have modesty issues, but because I sunburn at the drop of a hat (50spf, and sitting in the shade, I can and do still burn, much less playing in the water with my children) and t-shirts and shorts over the bathing suits doesn't cover enough and sometimes I can even burn through the clothing if it's thin enough.
Several of my children have the same issues, and keeping them in the shade makes it almost a moot point going to the lake or the pool.

The sites I found on-line are way to expensive for me to buy them that way, though I love the burka looking ones (again simply for the coverage not modesty).

PS before anyone says something I do know to stay inside during the hours of 11am-3pm doesn't help though lol.

Reality TV Junkie said...

I hope Josie is at home with a budy and doesnt go near the pool or with her mom. too many germs.
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It was said that Jim Bob will be taking care of Josie and Jordyn.

Sharla said...

Cyn, I'm "allergic" to the sun. You might try Sun Precautions (solumbra.com)or coolibar.com. I've used products from both and been very satisfied. My family borrows pieces for long days in the sun and no one has burned where their apparel has been.

Anonymous said...

I hope Josie is at home with a budy and doesnt go near the pool or with her mom. too many germs.
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It was said that Jim Bob will be taking care of Josie and Jordyn.
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If you saw the commercial, Jim Bob is at the pool with most of the kids. I didn't see Johannah and under so they may have been at home. Joseph and Josiah throw Jim Bob in the pool. I hope Jim Bob can swim.

Reality TV Junkie said...

If you saw the commercial, Jim Bob is at the pool with most of the kids. I didn't see Johannah and under so they may have been at home. Joseph and Josiah throw Jim Bob in the pool. I hope Jim Bob can swim.
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Jim Bob at the pool and Michelle at the "conference", I think occur at different times.

Reality TV Junkie said...

Cyn: The Duggars on an episode before said that what they get is branded "Wholesomewear". I don't believe they are a used item though. They have said that they are the same price as most regualer swimsuits.

Allison said...

It was said that Jim Bob will be taking care of Josie and Jordyn.

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The episode you're referring to is the one on the 16th.

Anonymous said...

I wonder if all the kids are learning to swim for the first time or if maybe some of the older ones know how already and are just brushing up on their skills? I don't remember ever seeing them swim on any other episode...

And I'm sure they will take some time to discuss their modest swimwear and remind us how important it is for them to cover up!! Or maybe Anna will explain it since she seems to be the spokesperson for the Duggar family these days!!!

Cyn said...

Cyn: The Duggars on an episode before said that what they get is branded "Wholesomewear". I don't believe they are a used item though. They have said that they are the same price as most regualer swimsuits.
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I looked them up when the Duggars first appeared... At the time they started at 75.00 and went up from there, having never spent more than 20.00 on ANY article of clothing (coats included) I don't find them affordable or the same price as most swimsuits.

Being the end of summer or "recession priced" has brought them down to 55-80 (depending on the differing sites I found today with Sharla's help) down from 100+. I did order a set today based on an early Christmas bonus and the fact that my children would really like to have a mother outside in the daylight in the summer time.

Thank you both for your help.

PS If I had learned nothing else from the Duggars this would have alone been worth it to me. They can discuss modesty till the cows come home, if it helps people like me that had no idea these options were even out there.

Anonymous said...

Amy said on facebook that she went swimming with the Duggars on Josiah's birthday. I wonder if this was filmed then.

Reality TV Junkie said...

I'm not sure if the kids have any any formal swimming training, but we have seen them splashing in kiddie pools, and going down home-made waterslides.

Anonymous said...

Ah yes, another opportunity for the Duggars to flout how "modest" they are in their clothing choices. Too bad they aren't modest about their bragging.

If nothing else, I've learned from the Duggars that bragging is an unattactive quality.

Allison said...

I wonder how much of it is the TV crew repeating questions. Sometimes I get the sense that they're tired of explaining their modesty over and over again. I know the kids and Michelle are "interviewed" in their segments. Maybe the TV crew needs to take a hint and get over it.

Anonymous said...

I really hope all the Duggar aren't just learning to swim. Modesty issues aside, anyone should be able to at least tread water and swim in a doggy-paddle to safety. I will be really curious to see if this is just a trip to the pool or swimming lessons.

CappuccinoLife said...

I'm glad they're learning to swim, and if the older ones are just learning, better late than never. However, with camps and family reunions and the like over the years, I imagine it's highly likely that the older ones have had many opportunities to get the basics of swimming and water safety.

Anonymous said...

I agree that it's most likely the camera crew that keeps the modesty talk going. I've never gotten the impression that any of the kids particularly enjoy explaining their modesty standards to the camera. In fact they usually seem a little uncomfortable about it, much less brag about it. With the exception of Michelle's silly comment about not being able to see "mama skin" when the she held Josie for the first time. But we all say a stupid thing every now and then, for most of us though it isn't caught on camera.

I think the crew should dispense with most of the modesty questions during their interviews. Even if nothing was ever said about it, even a new viewer could get the gist of it by observing how they dress all the time.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I wonder if they are going to wear their usual bathing suits. In some of the past episodes it seems they have changed some in their choices of clothing so I just wonder if their swim suits too have changed.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I am sure that these swim suits are durable and that they are not used all that much since they do not swim so no doubt even though they may be expensive a suit may last through several of the children, thus not spending $$ each year for a new swimsuit for every child.

Suzie said...

Amy said on facebook that she went swimming with the Duggars on Josiah's birthday. I wonder if this was filmed then.

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His birthday was 8/28 and the timeline of the last couple episodes, when we really didn't have a Duggar sightings away from the homestead make your statement plausible. They didn't leave DC until 9/13, which will be the Duggar cam episode (sans the conference that was their ultimate destination. Jim Bob has already stated on a radio show that part of the trip won't be on the show).

Anonymous said...

I think it would interesting if TLC tried to mix 19 kids with their What Not to Wear series. Wouldn't a makeover, even still within their modesty guidelines, be interesting?

I wonder about their shoes, as What Not to Wear puts everyone in heels, it seems. The Duggars always seem to wear flip-flops or simple flats.

I dress myself and my children in SPF wear, and we get odd looks even and they are not nearly as unusual as the Wholesome Wear.

Karen said...

The idea of buying a Used Bathing Suit just grosses me out. Personally, I wish they would find a prettier modest swimsuit (simply modest has pretty ones (and patterns to sew your own), so do some of the islamic sites). That black overdress is just ugly.

hananh leah said...

Please dont tell me I saw Johannah carry a small child around like a doll.


They learn how to play chess at the age of 4. However, they dont know how to swim.

How do you eat a whole chess piece.

Reality TV Junkie said...

I was very surprised to hear that they don't eat pork, according to a religious belief. I ever knew this was true. It was shocking because mostly you hear that Middle Eastern religions are the ones who don't eat pork. I hope they clear it up in a future episode.

Amber said...

I don't understand why Michelle is speaking about parenting, the older girls are more of a parent then her.
just because you gave birth to 19 kids doesn't mean that your a good parent.

Allison said...

I also liked this episode. I didn't feel that they beat the modesty stuff into the ground too much, but really, after last week's "we don't wear pants" episode, they really need lay off the whole clothing theme. I think we get it!

I thought it was nice that Jeremiah and Jinger went out shopping together. It must be nice to get some one-on-one time between the siblings. I also liked how they showed the entire family doing various cooking activities, not just the older girls.

Also, doesn't Joy and Josiah look so mature now?? I can't believe how grown-up they look!

And speaking of looks, OMG, how precious was Jordyn's expression when Jim Bob was feeding her and Jennifer. Adorable! It was a total, "Dad, you're such a dork" but on an 18-month-old was so cute.

BTW - anyone notice in the preview for Mackynzie's birthday someone (I think Josh) says "We have an announcement" and then surprised reactions from the girls? I'd wager Anna and Josh are expecting another baby.

Cassandra E said...

So this may be a bit "nit picky"...but did anyone else notice the close-up of Michelle's list/agenda at the Mom's Meeting?

I recorded the show so I had the ability to pause it. I paused and took a closer look at the list. Aside from some weird content which further solidifies how subservient women are in the Duggar way of life, it alarmed me that she had written "Mom's are Servant's".

This is a mother who home schools her children, yet she makes blatant grammar mistakes in using the possessive to mean plural? I was surprised at that. You can't even attribute it to a Southern thing, as you can with the way they use spoken English (eg: using "whenever" to mean "when").

I guess teaching proper English isn't as important as having JOY in your life! :)

Allison said...

I was very surprised to hear that they don't eat pork, according to a religious belief. I ever knew this was true. It was shocking because mostly you hear that Middle Eastern religions are the ones who don't eat pork. I hope they clear it up in a future episode.

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I was surprised too. I'm a Christian and I don't know any Christians that don't eat pork. But they seem *very* literal when it comes to interpreting the Bible, so while it's unusual I'm not really surprised.

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Please dont tell me I saw Johannah carry a small child around like a doll.


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No, Johannah was carrying around an actual doll. That wasn't a baby.

bonehead said...

I too was surprised by the Duggars not eating Pork. I think the Duggars are mixing various religions together. Which really there is nothing wrong with that, except the rest of the world might get confused as to what religion they are. I have a lot of different ideas/beliefs, that are a lot different from the main stream religion I was raised in. The swimsuits, kind of make me laugh a bit, cause: the boys suits are in my-opinion more revealing then if they just wore a t-shirt(color: like black,dr blue) and baggy shorts. I also don't get why they don't wear shorts, but wear that swimsuit gear. The boys legs were showing. I don't understand that? I also did not like the kids on the counter, bare dirty feet? gross! What's the point then in washing your hands, if you allow dirty feet on the counter that you prepare food on? That is as bad as letting the cat on the table after using the litter box or just on the table. I don't think I would want to eat at their house. That grossed me out.

Anonymous said...

According to the find.com, that chess set cost $180.32. Buy used, save the difference indeed!

Anonymous said...

I know modest people who use a one piece suit with a long t-shirt over it.

I wonder why the dugars dont do that.

Anonymous said...

Our family doesn't eat pork either, but it isn't for religious reasons, it's for health reasons. If you do some research on pork, there are a fair amount of people who avoid it due to some particular health effects, yet eat other types of meat, like we do. Perhaps the Duggars have health reasons rather than religious reasons for avoiding pork.

amy said...

The episode hasn't aired yet here, but I am pretty sure when they go to ball parks and have hot dogs, they aren't all beef!

Courtney said...

I know observant, Kosher Jews abstain from pork as do Muslims who observe Halal rules. I think it comes from a Bible and Koran verse that calls swine unclean. Although, most Christians don't observe it I guess the Duggars do.

Alli Byers said...

Did anyone else notice that there was a short segment that was totally recycled from an episode about two weeks ago? It was the segment where Michelle was talking about how much Jill likes to cook and it showed Jill working in the kitchen and Jennifer was helping her put slices of cheese onto bread. It was word-for-word the same commentary that was used in another episode.
The producers of this show can't come up with 30 minutes of new material each week?? I think it's time to cancel and go back to yearly specials with this family!

Anonymous said...

Great episode. I loved seeing the focus on more of the kids we don't always see. Jordyn is so doggone cute! She stole my heart with the look she gave when Jim Bob was feeding her and Jennifer.She is such a quiet cutie. I think she will have a Jinger-like personality.

It's good to see Josie more healthy and alert. It's a blessing that she is doing so well. I hope she can be off oxygen soon so she can interact with her sibilings more. So many of the kids have close bonds like Johannah and Jackson and Josiah and JoyAnna. Speaking of Josiah he has grown so much. I was so surprised when he spoke because his voice has obviously changed. They are all maturing so fast.

The swimming lesson was good to see and much needed. Glad the kids are learning some safety precautions.

MOM IN TEXAS

Anonymous said...

"Our family doesn't eat pork either, but it isn't for religious reasons, it's for health reasons. If you do some research on pork, there are a fair amount of people who avoid it due to some particular health effects, yet eat other types of meat, like we do. Perhaps the Duggars have health reasons rather than religious reasons for avoiding pork."

I'd pick pork tenderloin over tater tot casserole any day! The Duggar's are not known for being healthily eaters.

Peace said...

Why didn't Joseph, John, and Jim Bob swim? When the guys get older they won't even wear the diving suits? That's sad. I heard years ago that Jim Bob went to a water park with the kids and wore his jeans in the water. Yuck!

Jordyn's face at the table was hilarious. That girl is way too cute! I can't believe she's almost two.

The Duggars seriously need to get a pool at their house. They also need to get some electric can openers.

Anonymous said...

The ballpark eppy was on yesterday morning and they Did eat the HOT DOGS! GOOD catch

Anonymous said...

First, I would like to say that I think Jim Bob and Michelle did a good job with the older girls. They obviously feel loved and wanted. I do not think, however, that there is any connection between Michelle and the younger boys or the three little girls born just before Josie. I don't think these little ones know which one is the mother. Little Jordyn seems all alone. Someday, she may let them all know what her perceptions of the first few years of her life are. She may very well not be too complimentary about it. I honestly think Michelle is pregnant again.

Anonymous said...

There's an older episode where they were shown making bacon and I'd have to see it again, but I don't think it was turkey bacon. I eat turkey bacon and it definitely looks different from "normal" bacon.

I missed the pork comment from tonight's show...I'll have the repeat in a couple hours to catch it.

Anonymous said...

The voice over Michelle did when Jill and Jennifer were putting the cheese on the bread was really odd. She was talking about her younger children as if they belonged to Jill. When she said something like "I told Jill that's exactly what I did with my older children" it really made it clear to me that she raised the older ones and Jill and the other older girls are raising those little ones now.

As to bragging, it's surely getting old. They are entitled to their beliefs and religion just as the rest of us are, but there's a lot to be said for living by example, not boasting.

Anonymous said...

Michelle referred to Mack as the "first child" of Anna and Josh. I know they will have a lot of children, but I thought that was unusual if there is not a baby on the way. I plan on having more children, and just have one at this time, but I do not refer to her as my "first child." I bet they are expecting!

Lola said...

Jordyn is the cutest toddler! I hope Michelle takes the time to enjoy the little ones.

Anonymous said...

In regards to tater tot casserole vs. pork, the pp may have been referring to other properties of pork rather than the fat content. If you google pork, there is an interesting body of evidence that supports the Biblical verse of it being an "unclean" meat. It's quite interesting reading. But the popup did say the Duggars avoid it for religious reasons.

The segment with Jill and Jennifer making lunch wasn't on a previous episode, but it has been on the TLC website as a short webisode for a couple of weeks.

I'm always glad when I get to see Jedidiah and Jeremiah speak, they are such cute boys with sweet and quiet personalities. Jed particularly strikes me as a sweetheart. And Jordyn's look on her face to JimBob was beyond cute. I have a baby girl Jordyn's age so I love watching her.

Anonymous said...

Joseph didn't swim probably because he's a bit of a stick in the mud personality, it seems. I didn't see John there, he was probably working. JimBob obviously isn't opposed to the water, I don't know why he didn't just put on a suit and get in the pool.

Wearing a t-shirt over a one piece swimsuit as a modest solution for swimwear is uncomfortable and cumbersome when the t shirt gets wet. Plus most t shirts get see through and clingy when they are wet anyway. Our family wears modest swimsuits (which I think are cuter than the ones the Duggars wear, we get ours at swimmodest.com ) for modesty and sunburn reasons, and so we have tried the wet t shirt thing and a lot of other things too. I'm a bit mystified by what the boys wear, since it seems a bit overkill and uncomfortable. Boys swimwear is easy, my boys just wear swim trunks (which are naturally long) and a boys swim shirt, which are inexpensive and available everyhwere, and made of a thin and comfortable swim fabric. Whatever works for them I suppose.

Allison said...

Did anyone else notice that there was a short segment that was totally recycled from an episode about two weeks ago? It was the segment where Michelle was talking about how much Jill likes to cook and it showed Jill working in the kitchen and Jennifer was helping her put slices of cheese onto bread. It was word-for-word the same commentary that was used in another episode.
The producers of this show can't come up with 30 minutes of new material each week?? I think it's time to cancel and go back to yearly specials with this family!

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This commentary isn't from another episode, but it is a "featured video" on the TLC website, which is different. I noticed that too. But it isn't from an aired episode. I've watched every episode this season, and that hasn't been featured yet. But it is online, so you may have seen it there and that's why it's familiar.

Also, in regards to hot dogs being pork, MOST hot dogs I've seen are actually beef hot dogs. I went years not eating beef, and I never ate hot dogs because they were always kosher beef hot dogs. It is likely that the hot dogs at the ball game were Hebrew National hot dogs. Unless you specifically saw the brand, there's no reason to believe that the Duggars had hot dogs they knew were not all-beef.

Anonymous said...

Yes, those boy's swimsuits were a little, um, revealing. I think that's probably why the older boys weren't wearing them. Board shorts and t-shirts would be more "modest" in my opinion.

And as far as the speculation about the "announcement" in the birthday special, we only heard a voice-over. I think it was a replay of the original announcement of Anna's pregnancy. The special lasts an hour. Bet they fill it with "a look back at the first year" clips.

Reality TV Junkie said...

I missed the pork comment from tonight's show...I'll have the repeat in a couple hours to catch it.
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It was a pop-up, not a comment, so it didn't come directly from them.

Jen said...

Could the no pork be a new thing since Michelle's Gallbladder? Trying to change how they eat based on Biblical standards, since the Bible seems to be their first go to place for instruction/guidance.

I know Christians that use Bible Old Testament Dietary laws not as a saving law but for the nutrition aspect of it. They follow the dietary laws for the health of it and since they believe that God wrote the rules they say it is a Religious thing.

Just a thought on why the Duggars don't eat pork and why this seems to be a new thing.

Suzie said...

Jordyn's side eye to Jim Bob was made of WIN!

I also wondered about the Fedosky girl tossing Josiah around in the pool. Isn't that kind of contact strictly verboten? Although, if that was taped on his birthday, as was speculated above, what a present for a boy as sheltered as he! What 14 year old wouldn't want to be tossed around by a teenaged girl?

I wonder after Jim Bob and Michelle the show last night, if Josiah was sent to the prayer closet for denying the contact when it was happening? Let's face it, Jim Bob couldn't have his eyes on everyone at once and he was likely more concerned with the lessons for the little ones than what Josiah was doing at the other side of the pool (any teenage boy's fantasy). Way to go, 'Siah!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said:
I'm a bit mystified by what the boys wear, since it seems a bit overkill and uncomfortable. Boys swimwear is easy, my boys just wear swim trunks (which are naturally long) and a boys swim shirt, which are inexpensive and available everyhwere, and made of a thin and comfortable swim fabric. Whatever works for them I suppose.
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I think they don't choose your option because that wouldn't emphasize enough how hard they are striving for modesty. If they blended in and looked normal, then how would onlookers be alerted to the fact that the Duggars are "different", "special" and most especially, "super modest"?

I'm not particularly religious, yet I've always preferred to wear more modest swimwear. Never wore a 2 piece in my life, and like the skirted one piece suits best. A nice modest suit hasn't been difficult to find over the years, and there are plenty of them that are very attractive and to me, blend in without screaming "look at me! I'm so modest!"

Celestie said...

The swimming lesson was good to see and much needed.
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Didn't see any swimming lessons. Saw younger boys and the one girl playing in water. Everyone needs to know how to swim. The parents should take the time away from their speaking tours and make sure the children learn. I know a few people who can't swim and they regret it. It keeps them from enjoying life fully and they live in fear when near bodies of water.

Don't blame the older girls and boys for not going in water, those outfits probably even embarrass them. As stated by other posters, board shorts and one piece suits with long tees would have been better.

Speaking of modesty, did you notice most (one had some cleavage) of the MOPS were dressed very modestly, but not weirdly. I think the Duggars wear what they do, to stand out in a crowd, and draw attention to themselves. Michelle needs to work on her English grammar. Its not down home, its just poor use of the English language. The older girls looked bored during the event. Looks like they didn't even get lunch, but had to sit on a bench during the event.

What in the world happened to Jim Bob's hair?
Did anyone notice the line of cars by one of the buildings. Does any family, even one this large, need so many autos? Think Jim Bob likes to display his wealth? The kid who bought the chess set is getting to be very handsome.

All those dirty little feet up next to the sandwiches certainly didn't look appealing.

Yes, Jordyn is a true little doll. And she had a sweet little bow in her hair, which was charming.

Anonymous said...

"The voice over Michelle did when Jill and Jennifer were putting the cheese on the bread was really odd. She was talking about her younger children as if they belonged to Jill. When she said something like "I told Jill that's exactly what I did with my older children" it really made it clear to me that she raised the older ones and Jill and the other older girls are raising those little ones now."
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Yes, I thought so too. It definitely drove home the point to me that these older girls have too much responsibility for the younger ones.

Anonymous said...

Suzie said:
I also wondered about the Fedosky girl tossing Josiah around in the pool. Isn't that kind of contact strictly verboten? Although, if that was taped on his birthday, as was speculated above, what a present for a boy as sheltered as he! What 14 year old wouldn't want to be tossed around by a teenaged girl?
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I felt the same way as I watched. Josiah is truly a teenager and it showed. He couldn't have been more excited as he frolicked in the pool with the birthing lady Teresa's daughter. Although it was innocent, there were obviously feelings there for Josiah. I know that Michelle and Jim Bob understand that the kids are not void of feelings for the opposite sex. I wondered too, how that conversation with Josiah went.

Kay said...

When I saw the older kids refusing to go in the pool, I figured they were too embarrassed to be seen in that horrible modesty swimwear. I know I'd do the same! For the boys, the suits were way more revealing than trunks and a swim shirt! They looked like overgrown toddlers in those suits (you know, those floating safety suits toddlers wear).

I think Jim Bob should trade in his ATVs and one or two of his cars to help pay for a swimming pool. With all those kids, and with those hot summers, having a pool is a no-brainer. Maybe some of the "embarrassed" kids would take advantage of swimming without others watching them (and you KNOW people had to be staring at the group of people in funny, bulky black swimwear).

About the voice-over while Jill made lunch with the little girl (Hanny?): if Michelle is a parent to her young children, and is at least present during the day, why did she say "Isn't that funny, that's what I used to do!" when Jill told her that having the kids help her keeps them out of trouble? Shouldn't she KNOW what Jill does with the kids, cause she's around to see it happen?

Anonymous said...

I don't blame the older kids for not going in the water, if I had to wear one of those horrid swimsuits, I'd probably sit it out as well. I think the Duggar kids as a whole have probably been swimming for a while because they looked pretty comfortable in the water.

I too found it extremely strange during Michelle's voice over about the way Jill cared for the younger kids, it seriously sounded like she was talking as if the children were Jill's and not her own. How do you not know what goes on in your own household? Poor Jill, she would have made a fabulous teacher if she were ever given the chance to further her education.

I love those younger boys, I think they have a lot of personality that doesn't get recognized and I think Joy Anna is turning into a really pretty girl, she's losing that tween awkwardness.

Anonymous said...

Um. Those bathing suits were LESS modest than a regular set of boys' swim trunks. I really did not need to see all that.

Modesty my eye.

amy said...

Allison, I didn't see a brand but I would be amazed if ballparks use expensive Hebrew Natl, even with what they charge. I think they probably buy some no-name brand and pork is cheaper...at least that is what has been my experience. Who knows for sure but I would like to know why they avoid it for religious reasons as I thought that was limited to Muslims and Jews.

Anonymous said...

I think what bothers me the most is how Michelle double-talks. When speaking about the modest swimwear she said it's required so the kids don't look where they shouldn't be looking. Then later when she spoke at the MOPS meeting she listed the 3 most important things she teaches her children. One of them was self-control. If they are so well trained in self-control then what is the need for those horrible swimsuits? Shouldn't their training be enough? Another area was concerning the bacon. I'm sorry but I don't remember which boy was cooking it, but Michelle said he "rations" out it to the other kids because since he cooked it it belonged to him. She kind of stumbled over her words when she was asked about sharing. I thought their mantra was JOY (Jesus-Others-Yourself). By rationing the bacon wasn't he thinking of himself before others? I was also very surprised at the horse play between Josiah and the teenage girl. Does anyone know if Jim Bob has any say in final editing? If so, I can't believe he actually allowed it to be shown. I don't want it to seem like I'm judging them. I was raised in a Catholic/Jewish household (I know, it's pretty different!) and my husband and I chose to save our virginity for each other until our wedding night. I just feel they don't stand completely by their beliefs when they waver on certain subjects. My heart breaks for all of the children especially Jordyn. When she took the bottle of oil to own of the crew, it seemed like she just wanted someone to pay attention to her. Unfortunately IMO she is the forgotten Duggar.

Peace said...

They said that pool was that ladies own pool at her house? It looked like a public pool to me with big changing rooms and swim lines.

John was at the pool. He helped to push Jim Bob in. Jana and Anna wore swimsuits. You can see them lined up at the beginning of the show saying "On this episode..."

What was up with Jim Bob's haircut? Weird cut but I liked seeing what was under all that shellac.

Suzie said...

Allison, I didn't see a brand but I would be amazed if ballparks use expensive Hebrew Natl, even with what they charge. I think they probably buy some no-name brand and pork is cheaper...at least that is what has been my experience. Who knows for sure but I would like to know why they avoid it for religious reasons as I thought that was limited to Muslims and Jews.

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The live in "Hog Heaven." if you're Jewish/Muslim in NW Arkansas and you go to a minor league ballgame, you don't order hot dogs. Period.

I imagine when they were shown grilling at the ATI conference earlier this year, they used turkey franks. I eat both myself, but when I go to the (major league) ballpark in my area and order a hot dog, I know that unless I order the beef dog (which is offered...we have a large Jewish population), I know I'm getting a pork product hot dog or sausage.

I think it's pretty safe to make that assumption about a ballpark in the vicinity of a university whose mascot is a hog.

lo said...

What's wrong with shorts on boys? I know very conservative baptist families and boys can wear shorts knee length, thigh is considered nudity.

will said...

they don't eat pork? they aren't Jewish or Muslim..

Karen said...

I think what bothers me the most is how Michelle double-talks. When speaking about the modest swimwear she said it's required so the kids don't look where they shouldn't be looking. Then later when she spoke at the MOPS meeting she listed the 3 most important things she teaches her children. One of them was self-control. If they are so well trained in self-control then what is the need for those horrible swimsuits? Shouldn't their training be enough?

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I think the idea is that they have self-control and trust themselves but it is everyone else. Men look at women in bathing suits and have sexual thoughts. They don't want men to be looking at them like that. My guess would be that if they weren't on TV they would wear normal bathing suits; if it just their family. Unfortunately, it isn't just their family it is their family plus _____ viewers.
I believe they wear what makes them comfortable (or at least makes their parents comfortable). Unfortunately, it is ugly. :D

Karen said...

Ok - I just finished watching it. was that baby at the end Josie?
Also, I think that the older girls need real Violins as opposed to Violin Shaped Objects - maybe they would sound better.

Anonymous said...

"If they are so well trained in self-control then what is the need for those horrible swimsuits?"

I think what Michelle was saying is that she doesn't want other people being able to see what she considers too much of her children's bodies. Especially in her daughters' case I understand her concerns. But can't they find cuter modest swimsuits than those? They are just not very attractive. And the boys swimsuits are just dorky looking and icky. Why can't they just wear board shorts and swim shirts like other posters have mentioned? Those would be just as modest or more so. No wonder Joseph didn't want to get in the pool. What teenage boy would want to wear that, especially being filmed?

Anonymous said...

I don't see a problem with Josiah rationing the bacon. I took it to mean he is making sure that everyone is getting the same amount so everyone gets some, rather than one person getting more than their fair share and someone else getting ripped off as a result.

Also, I think Jimbob knew about Josiah frolicking with the teenage girl since he said afterward, "I think Josiah just got dunked." He didn't look like he had a problem with it.

Anonymous said...

hi

just wanted to say that jim bob buys those atvs at auctions here in oklahoma and ark
you can get fairly new ones for under two hundred bucks
its all about the bid

Sharla said...

19 Kids and Counting (9pm)
- 1.262 million viewers
- 0.9/1 HH
- 0.5/1 A18-49

Anonymous said...

I just wanted to add a comment about the hot dogs. I worked at a baseball park in the concessions area and we used a relatively expensive brand of all beef hot dog (I can't remember the name). Most people in this area choose a pork-based hot dog (I'm from the South), but due to lots of visitors, mostly from the North, the club had to go with all beef hot dogs because otherwise many customers would refuse to buy them. So it's entirely possible that the baseball park hot dogs the Duggars had were indeed all beef, even if they are in Razorback country.

Anonymous said...

The scene with Jeremiah and Jinger shopping for the chess board really annoyed me. Actually it was Michelle who bothered me, giggling over the fact that she didn't have to drive Jeremiah to buy his birthday gift. Come on, can't she spare an hour to take the poor kid shopping for his gift? And spend a teeny bit of one-on-one time with him? Nope, she just sat around giggling over the fact that her girls can drive now, so she doesn't have to. But yet she can spare lots of time to speak at mothers clubs and run around the country accepting awards. Where are her priorities?

Suzie said...

Actually it was Michelle who bothered me, giggling over the fact that she didn't have to drive Jeremiah to buy his birthday gift.

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More like a Pre-pre "birthday gift." The twins' birthday is Decenber 30th. Great idea since their birthdays are so close to Christmas, but in that same vein, what did Jer get? I forget which one wanted to be an artist way back when.

And I hope that Grandpa Duggar knew REAL chess strategy, or SOMEONE taught the boy how to play REAL chess (none of the opponents he was shown playing were older than him...and JimBob is so competitive he would beat his own kid - seem before but Joseph beat him, YAY.You'd think that even that Chess was Catholic, the tenets are so legalistic that JimBob would commandeer a chess club, observe it, and use it as another piece of their game of Life. No matter the sect: In their world, the Queen is always sacrificed to save the King.

joyruns said...

I don't understand the objections to the dive suits. They looked normal to me. I think seeing a whole mass of people wearing the same thing is what makes the suits look odd.

I do think that swim trunks and a swim shirt would make bathroom breaks easier, boy or girl. But that is something I have learned from experience with my own children. If they don't swim much, they may not have realized that.

I think it would be a mistake for them to own a pool. Too many little ones running around. Even with a safety fence around it, I would be scared to death someone would find a way over and drown.

Nicole B said...

Thank goodness for DVR. I rewinded and viewed the part when Jill is cooking - while Michelle says "keeps the little ones out of trouble", and Johannah walks in with a mannequin head ON TOP of her head and says, "Ha-aayy...Ji-illl...he he he" OMG - that was freaken HILARIOUS!!! I was literally rolling around laughing and crying!!

Iliketheduggars said...

"Allison, I didn't see a brand but I would be amazed if ballparks use expensive Hebrew Natl, even with what they charge."

Didn't see the episode yet, but I know of two ball parks that sell kosher beef hot dogs... I think Hebrew National brand, but not positive... However, one is in Florida, and I always thought it was due to the large Jewish population in that area. Don't think that would apply anywhere near the Duggars.

I've had holistic doctors suggest eliminating pork. It's pretty common in the alternative med, "crunchy" world, and I could see such a person finding affirmation of the practice in the Bible and thus moving to a religious reason for the practice.

The Duggars don't seem into all that, though (ie: tater tot casserole).

Anonymous said...

Basic swimming should be taught at a young age so that you don’t panic and drown the second you hit water. Why isn’t that part of “the older kids teach the younger ones”? Why not have a pool for the Arkansas heat in that HUGE yard? At least they wouldn’t have to worry about “outsiders” and their skimpy wear or wandering eyes.

I’m in the camp of disliking Michelle’s comments about Jill “raising” the kids the same way she did. It sounded like sweet grandma speak – except they’re HER kids. Also didn’t like that even on their birthday, a kid can’t have mom or dad take them to get their gift. Is ANYTHING mom and dad’s jurisdiction anymore? And if he’s so great at chess, why not go to tournaments? I’m sure even people in their fellowship have them (you know, so they don’t have to deal with the numerous non-nerdy green-haired chess tournament participants).

Anonymous said...

As far as Michelle not taking Jer to get the chess set, perhaps this was during the period where Michelle was recovering from surgery? In any case, I don't think the kid would care much if it were his mom or his sister taking him to get something he wants - his focus was probably just on getting his present. If it's true the twins' bday isn't until Decemeber, why are they calling it a bday present now?

teacher/mom said...

Does anyone else notice that when they show the bottom of the children's feet they are filthy dirty? I think that is gross!!! It was shown in the swimming episode when the one boy was going to the mall to get a chess set.

Anonymous said...

Seventh Day Adventists are Christians who do not eat pork. I don't think the Duggars are Seventh Day Adventists but maybe they interpret the Bible passage about eating pork the same way as the SDA people do.

I am usually a huge Duggar fan but almost everything about this episode bothered me.

It is beyond clear by now that Michelle is not a mother to anyone but Josie. The older girls do EVERYTHING for the younger kids. It's just plain wrong. Don't those older girls want to get out of the house!? I wish the family would address that issue! They should be payed as live in nannies at the very least.

The MOPS conference was ridiculous in the fact that they asked Michelle to speak. She does not raise her children anymore, her girls do. Maybe the girls should give a talk for once, they do all the child care.

I don't understand the modesty swimsuits either but if the older children don't like it and that is why they wouldn't swim, than they should MOVE OUT and dress the way you want to!

The one thing that kept running through my mind during the episode was, I hope we can hear from kids like Jordyn or Jenny 15 years or more from now. I want to know how it really was in that house, being raised by their sisters. I also would love to hear what the girls really think of raising their siblings because I don't believe that all of them enjoy it.

pumpkin said...

Jedidiah and Jeremiah's birthday is December 30th... the chess set was quite the "early" birthday present!

Anonymous said...

After watching this episode, I have a few observations:
1) The boys looked absolutely ridiculous in those diving suits! And I agree with some other posters that they were definitely a little too snug, if you know what I mean...
2)Joy definitely looks older and more mature now..I really think she is beautiful and is going to be a stunner when she gets older.
3) Jim Bobs haircut is awful! The back part looked ok but the top was horrendous!
4) I cannot get over that Michelle completely admitted that her older girls take care of the younger kids! She should be ashamed of herself but the worst part is that she doesn't see anything wrong with it. She justifies it by emphasizing how much the girls "love " to cook, drive, shop, etc. And unfortunately, I think the older girls are ok with their roles because they don't know any better! They have no idea what other options are out there for them because they have been so sheltered. As I watched them at the Moms meeting, I felt sad because they are all beautiful and have so much potential but I don't think they will ever have a chance to experience anything outside of their sheltered little world...

Anonymous said...

Is ANYTHING mom and dad’s jurisdiction anymore?
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If it involves any actual raising of the children, then the answer is "no." If it involves going out to accept public credit, then the answer is "yes."

Anonymous said...

Back in the early days, (14 kids and counting) they flat out said that Michelle is JB's jurisdiction,and Michelle's is the newest baby,who gets passed on to the next buddy in line as soon as it is weaned.This one is on youtube.

Anonymous said...

Actually, I just watched the 14 children show the other day. The commentator stated that Michelle was Jim Bob's buddy, not his juristiction. Similar concepts, though, for sure.

Anonymous said...

"I think it would be a mistake for them to own a pool. Too many little ones running around. Even with a safety fence around it, I would be scared to death someone would find a way over and drown."

This is why many people are critical of the Duggars. They simply have too many children to adequately raise, and they aren't properly supervising the kids. Having a pool is, in itself, not dangerous, and swimming provides a healthy activity for children. Unfortunately for the Duggars, having a pool does require the parents to take a hands on approach to teaching their children proper water safety, beyond a one time lesson. It also requires the parents to be physically present for the younger children to enjoy the benefits a swimming pool can offer. I don't see JimBob or Michelle taking the time to sit poolside and enjoy a few hours with their family. It is more important for them to bask in their pool of public opinion.

Anonymous said...

If Michelle's logic behind the horrible swimsuits is to avoid having others "looking where they shouldn't be looking" doesn't that add to the problem? Because they are strange looking people are looking at the suits which in turns means viewing (whether intended or not) breasts, butts and guys "packages".

MandySue said...

I have a friend who is a Christian and she follows the Old Testament dietary laws, but she is very interested in the Jewish lifestyle and law.

As someone from Arkansas just because our college mascot is the razorback doesn't mean that we eat pork everyday. People from Arkansas are like people everywhere else!!! (I however do like my bacon and smoked ribs) We even have vegetarians here!!!

Anonymous said...

In the summer when I was a kid my feet were always filthy too. Lots of playing outside in bare feet. A little dirt never killed anyone.

Madi said...

Anon 11/12/10 10:03PM. I don't mean to sound snarky but I'm an MD and a little dirt can kill someone especially a fragile baby like Josie. While I admit it is highly unlikely without proger hygiene germs could be passed from the outside to her bottles/nipples. Again, it probably won't happen but we've all seen their kitchen prep area isn't the cleanest.

Anonymous said...

I love the Duggars dearly, but can we just accept that Josie will be bald for a while? My oldest child didn't have much hair until he was over a year old. There is a new photo of Josie on People.com. She is wearing those ghastly prosthetic pigtails! Yuck! She's a beautiful baby. The hair will come!

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know what it means for Josie's lungs that she is still on oxygen nearing her one year birthday?

Anonymous said...

There is a new photo of Josie on People.com. She is wearing those ghastly prosthetic pigtails! Yuck! She's a beautiful baby. The hair will come!
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I know! When I saw that picture, I physically winced. That wig-in-training makes Josie look freakish. She is a lovely baby girl - I wish her parents would let her natural beauty shine.

katie marie said...

I'm very curious about the Duggars' dietary rules now that we know they don't eat pork. Do they also follow all the other Kosher rules? We have, I believe, seen them eat cheese-burgers, so we know they don't have a problem mixing meat and dairy. What about shellfish? Have they had shrimp or crawfish? I can't recall.

If they only adhere to the "no pork" restriction, I wonder why they pick and choose. I would like to see this addressed in a future episode (producers, if you are listening, take heed.)

Kitten said...

One of my nephews was born at about the same gestation age as Josie, and he was on oxygen well into his second year. He is now in his mid-twenties. He was able to live a relatively normal life growing up, including competitive sports. Josie's being on oxygen now is not unusual for a severe premie.

Anonymous said...

No pork????

Perhaps that explains a previous episode when The Patriarch made barbecue mixing BBQ sauce and TUNA.

Or maybe JBD is just not the greatest cook in the world.

Nor the smartest one.

Anonymous said...

I just watched this eppy. Good ol' Michelle can be counted on to mention people looking at the girls' "countenances" as opposed to all those dirty body parts.

Glad to see that the older boys wouldn't be caught dead in those revealing bathing suits which show every bump. Jinger too just isn't giving in to the family nonsense. She didn't go on the slip'n slide either, so I think she is just so over this stuff. She can always call TOM, and avoid wearing the modestwear.