Tuesday, November 2, Duggars On Fire

Duggars are known for is their sense of style! Anna decides to turn up the heat with fashion and makes "fire skirts" for the girls to wear when they volunteer at the local fire department.  But will the new look be a fashion do or don't?

30 minutes

No more comments, please, about the skirts being inappropriate for emergency work.  They were for the "dress" occasions not going out with the firetrucks.  Thank you. 

73 comments:

bonehead said...

Hey, saw tuesdays commercial. I agree with Jimbob. Wear pants.

Anonymous said...

Every time I read about "fire skirts", I swear the mental image that comes to mind is a Christmas tree skirt of sorts.

If the girls are not going to take the danger of fire seriously enough to wear appropriate gear, then they shouldn't bother showing up to the station - that's my view. Modesty carried to the point of irrationality is just foolishness (i.e., not using the common sense the Creator gave us all)

klara said...

Is there anywhere online to watch the previews of the show?

msrylee said...

Should I ever need the services of the fire department, I could care less what they are wearing. Whether the new look "fire skirts" are in fashion isn't the important issue. The proper attire for both male and female fire-fighters needs to be maintained, for safety reasons. Why would the Duggars assume their new "gear/fashion statement" will meet with department approval? God gave us intelligence, and it should be used for the good of others and ourselves.

Anonymous said...

If you are trying to do CPR on someone in a skirt, there is not going to be anything modest about it. CPR is very physical. If they are just wearing pants to a call, I think that is respectable.

Kay said...

When I read "fire skirts," I envisioned denim skirts with flames on them. Second vision was of a flamenco-style skirt; love to see one of the Duggar girls with that on! lol

Anyway, the episode might tackle this, but we don't know that the girls are volunteering to fight fires. They could be doing anything at the firehouse-- washing trucks, cleaning out the garage, helping with food prep, fund-raising (in fact, two people I know volunteer just to fund-raise-- they help out with cooking and advertising for the fund-raising meals their firehouse has every month).

I just don't believe that any fire department would allow anyone to enter a fire without regulation clothing, not to mention EXTENSIVE fire safety training (beyond CPR); it's a safety, insurance, and liability issue.

Reality TV Junkie said...

I think that even if they are "against" wearing pants, they should. It's now not a modesty issue, but a safety issue. I hope they do decide to wear pants as it would be much easier to snag something with a skirt.

Anonymous said...

I hope they're fireproof!

Anonymous said...

We haven't seen the show yet but we all know that TLC likes to mislead with thier previews. Who knows... maybe the episode will reveal that the girls determine they can't do appropriate work in the 'fire skirts', maybe they elect to wear pants or maybe they quit. I don't see the sense in forming an opinion about the skirts just yet...

Celestie said...

As far as safety issues go, remember this is the family that has shown young girls using power tools while wearing full long skirts and uncontained long hair, that could easily get caught up in a tools mechanism. This is a family that allows toddlers to climb up on counters and hang off of banisters from the 2nd floor. I don't think safety is a major issue with them.
Also agree with previous poster, we don't know what they will be doing as volunteers. It appears they took a first aid course, that doesn't make them paramedics or firefighters. Maybe their job will be to babysit for other firefighters while on duty or make tater tot fandango. I have a feeling we will see them with some of their younger siblings in tow, while they are preforming their "duties."

CappuccinoLife said...

I think this is just a silly "hook".

Doubt any fire department would allow female firefighters to wear skirts and do anything active. Maybe if they are doing stuff "behind the scenes", or driving, or non-emergency work.

Allison said...

According to Michelle's interview on the TLC website, Jill and Jana have both participated in calls apparently, fire and car accident related. So we will have to wait to see exactly what they do, however. Certainly is an intriguing enough trailer!

Ohio Buckeye said...

Fire skirts.

Because when attempting to save lives, your main concern really needs to be about not causing any menfolk a Nike! moment.

Uh huh.

Anonymous said...

Skirts and fires don't mix. That's ridiculous.

Anonymous said...

I think nice slacks are way more modest than some skirts. The Duggars have loosened up on some over the years, I hope they will about pants for the girls and shorts (they do make them knee length) for the kids. Especially in the hot summer.

Cyn said...

One of the older Bates girls has been with the volunteer fire department for years and SHE does her job in a skirt... Guess it can't be THAT hard to do.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I would not be surprised if what the girls are doing at the Firehouse is the cooking. There should be no danger in them wearing skirts if that is what they are actually doing.

Anonymous said...

Wearing pants while fighting a fire is for safety - you have to keep yourself covered up- you absolutely do not want any of your skin exposed!
I am certain the fire department would not allow ANYONE to participate in any type of call or activity without observing all the safety precautions to include donning the appropriate personal protective equipment- thank, a US Sailor.

Anonymous said...

If the Duggar girls are actually going to be participating as firefighters and not just cooking and cleaning, I cannot see them being allowed to wear skirts. They will more than likely be told to either wear the assigned gear and only that, or go home.

And Cyn, where did you hear that one of the Bates girls participates as a volunteer firefighter in a skirt? Not doubting that you are being honest, but I'd like to examine the source.

Cyn said...

Back when they were doing the Bates build we saw shots of them going on calls, she was sitting in the truck after the fire had been put out and she was in a skirt, and they talked about how long they had been volunteers.

I'm going skating with my kid now... when I get back I'll go through all three of those shows and see if I can find the clips.

Anonymous said...

Michaela Bates (sp?) is the Bates girl who volunteers with the fire department alongside her brother Zack. She was clearly seen in one of those TLC episodes working controls on a truck wearing a skirt. I think it was when they were working on the Bates re-build.

Cyn said...

Here is the link to the show where the Bates are dealing with the house (trailer) fire and yes she's in a skirt. She was manning the pumps, and "keeping and eye" on every one. From other discussions in the show I think they are the First Responders / EMT....

And she does it in those long blue jean skirts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKFchPl9AJA&feature=related

Anonymous said...

In the clip in the link that Cyn showed us, the Bates girl was in casual clothes standing on the fire truck while a bunch of other people in firefighter uniforms actually dealt with the fire. So it looks like she does volunteer, but seems to do so in a very different capacity than her brother, seen dressed in a full uniform, does, which the show does not elaborate on. I am not knowledgeable in these things - perhaps someone who is can clarify what her likely role was. So if the Duggar girls want to do what the Bates girl was doing, they should have no problems wearing a skirt, but if they want to do what her brother is doing, they will likely run into problems. Since the episode summary makes no attempt to clarify, there is no way to know for sure right now, but the fact that the skirts appear to be made especially to wear for volunteer duty makes me wonder, since the Bates girl was clearly wearing normal clothing that can be bought from a store in the clip.

Anonymous said...

Seems the antithesis of humility to have to call attention to oneself and make such a show of your alleged 'modesty' that you insist on wearing a skirt when professionals wear a basic uniform.

IMO it's another way the Duggars want attention for being supposedly ethically above the rest of us.

Very off putting.

Anonymous said...

"IMO it's another way the Duggars want attention for being supposedly ethically above the rest of us."

I don't think the Duggars insisting on wearing skirts is them thinking they are ethically above the rest of us at all. In fact their beliefs on what God wants Them, meaning the Duggars specifically and no one else to do.

I went to a Church like theirs for 10 years so I understand that their convictions, meaning things that they feel that God has touched their heart for them to do or not to do, are specifically for them.

I am willing to bet that they don't think anything bad about any woman wearing a skirt. It's just one of their beliefs that they hold on to.

If someone believes that they don't need to wear a skirt to be Godly, then that's correct too. There is no right or wrong here.

It all comes down to personal belief. The Duggars are usually quick to say this is what our family does or this is what God called us to do. They never say people watching the TV should wear skirts or have 19 kids.

Anonymous said...

thanks for the clip Cyn....but what the Bates girl is doing is not in a full capacity similar to her brother. There is no chance a true firefighter,(fighting the fire up front with a hose) would be wearing a skirt and not official fire retardant gear provided by Fire Dept.

Take Care

Anonymous said...

"So it looks like she does volunteer, but seems to do so in a very different capacity than her brother, seen dressed in a full uniform, does, which the show does not elaborate on. I am not knowledgeable in these things - perhaps someone who is can clarify what her likely role was."
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I believe they said she was in charge of the pump truck

duggars said...

Is it true what Anna said about knowing most of the stuff you need to know my age five?


haha. I love that little clear up to the rumors about her having more kids :).

Anonymous said...

Anna seems to be getting quite annoyed about Josh constantly interrupting her...

anna fan said...

Josh stop cutting off Anna. Its Rude!!

Reality TV Junkie said...

A pop-up said none of the older girls have ever worn pants. So I wonder, which of the younger girls has?

Anonymous said...

I think they just wear them when they are infants.

Anonymous said...

It is staged, more questions answaered.

i did see a bit of Jill`s skin when she was opening the door.

Anonymous said...

Dear TLC,
We've seen enough of the salad already. (Although you can't convince me that they actually eat it once it's on their plate.)

Josh did his business wonders by advertising his sometimes-working, sometimes-not inventory.

Anonymous said...

What I gathered from the girls comments on tonights' episode was that the girls would be wearing regular fire gear when fighting fires but would wear the skirts for "dress" uniforms when they would appear with other firefighters dressed in similar uniforms.

Anonymous said...

Anna is a great and sewing. I wish she would do it for others and earn some money too. I dont think Joshs car dealership does that well. If they just did two shows on it.

Anonymous said...

duggars said:
Is it true what Anna said about knowing most of the stuff you need to know my age five?
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Yes and no. Some psychologist theorized that the human brains has all it needs to know by the age of 5 and the rest we learn is temporary, like its not retained knowledge needed for survival. We learn to walk,talk, eat, etc. all the cognitive skills before 5. I guess this is the justification for not needing a formal education although Anna spoke as if she has at some point had a formal education when she spoke of the "first grade" and "middle and high school".

Also someone else asked about the girls wearing pants. The pop up said that the older girls have never worn pants. The younger girls, Johannah on down, will sometimes wear tights underneath their dresses.

I watched the original airing as well as my DVR replay and either I missed the Jim Bob line from the promo asking the girls why don't they just wear pants or that line was edited out.

It sounds like to me the girls will at some point be suiting up in full fire gear which means they will have on pants. Also I believe Jana went and tried the pants on in the store.

The episode was nice because we got to see less of Jim Bob and Michelle but more of the older kids plus Josh and Anna. Anna is very talkative but does seem a little annoyed by Josh's constant interruptions.

MOM IN TEXAS

Anonymous said...

I am not,in any way, diminishing any good honest labor, but it spoke volumes when Jim Bob said that Josh would rather be working in the car lot than in a factory. Are these his only options?

Would this man not want any of his offspring to become a doctor, nurse, teacher, scientist, etc. etc.? What a disservice he is doing to his older children. They are either volunteering, taking a little course or running for office. He is certainly not encouraging them to pursue higher education. He is not suggesting they develop to their highest potential

He has such a large family. Is there no intention of having any of them go to college or university?

Enough, already, about the car lot. You can pray all day about business, but if you don't look after it, you will not succeed. I don't think this man lives in the real world.

Anonymous said...

I liked this episode because it felt honest. When Jana and Jill were talking about how embarrassed and humiliating it was to go show the fire chief their skirts...it was just honest emotion. I don't always feel we get real emotions from the Duggars. I hope we get to see more situations where the Duggars get to experience "real life" feelings - like embarrassment - in more episodes because it exposes them to things that aren't just in their family bubble and hopefully will build on them being more "worldly".

Suzie said...

Is it true what Anna said about knowing most of the stuff you need to know my age five?

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I'm actually doing research on the effects of technology in Early Childhood Education for a paper and also work with first graders. Anna is partially correct.

Very briefly, a person has 90% of their brain development, ie. HOW they learn, as well as personality traits, ingrained between the ages of 5-7. My research has data regarding how often the children read, both independently and with their parents. The results are not surprising, although once Anna has more kids, and she expressed that she is now ready for more, No way she'll be able to devote that same attention to subsequent kids, unless they're well-spaced (ie. potty trained and a little more self-sufficient during the baby's infancy).

What she was doing with Mackynzie in terms of recognition skills wasn't anything any normal parent wouldn't do with their child. It was cute as all get-out when Mack said "byebye" to Josh.

bonehead said...

The whole pants verses skirts, that modesty stuff is silly. I fine that men in general are more attracted to women and girls(all ages) wearing skirts, than those wearing pants. The reaction the Duggar girls got from the Fire Chief and the other guy was, from what I saw, was a typical male reaction(a Nike moment). I think the pants would be less of a attraction than a skirt would. If those skirts were, say to the ground, no leg showing or they wear leggins/tights, for the men there is nothing to see. I was always told by my mother that a man can get worked up over a woman wearing a skirt, that moved by the wind or just the womans movement. Does not take much. There was nothing sexy about the stand fire pants they had. It was part of an uniform. The woman at the shop said the pants was unisex. The Jimbob part about wearing pants was cut, just as Anna explain in just before the commercial, why women wear skirts and men wear pants. They cut it, used it as a teaser.

Anonymous said...

Was jimbobs line about "why don't you just wear pants?" edited out? It was shown in the coming up thing before a commercial break, but unless I missed it, wasn't part of the actual show.

Jana fan said...

I think Anna is head and shoulders above the rest of the crew. She seems brighter, more interested, more interesting, certainly than her husband, and than her sisters-in-law as well. I like how she has come into her own in the last year or two. And McKenzie is a cutie!

I notice that Josie is out and about in the fray of the family now, with everyone holding and handling her. I guess Michelle was still recovering from her surgery at the time of the filming of this episode? Josie still looks very, very small and infantish, even with her adjusted birthdate of March. I hope she is OK.

The girls did a good job making the skirts,but I didn't quite see the point. What, they're going to lean over to assist a person, wearing a skirt? Couldn't that be a huge NIKE moment? In an emergency, a person providing medical care or service cannot be concerned about whether her knees are showing! For heaven's sake, when responding, someone could actually see their thighs! Pants would make SO much more sense (I understand that they will wear the real fire gear in a fire--I was thinking about as EMS responders, wearing those skirts...for events or meetings, fine, but not for real emergencies).

Anonymous said...

While the Duggars never say they are being morally better than the rest of us by wearing skirts, their "modesty" argument fails when they insist on wearing clothes that are inappropriate to the siutation as in the case of trying to wear skirts instead of the uniform dictated by the fire fighting/EMT. Skirts aren't always appropriate to all situations, that piece of fabric in between your legs is an actual mechanical hinderance in many cases. By calling more attention to their bodies by wearing skirts they negate the modesty argument. They are virtually screaming, look at me, look at me, look at my body parts which are so very differant than yours that you must examine them because I can't wear clothing that's appropriate to the situation.

Women in the 20th century didn't switch over to wearing pants when it became acceptable because they wanted to look like men. It's because slacks are easier to move around in and get things done in. I'm an engineer and a skirt would simply get in the way most of the time. Yes, yes, of course you can do most things in a skirt but it is physically easier in pants.

If you are voluntarily doing a task that requires everyone to wear a certain type of special clothing, then do not make a fuss about wearing the required clothing.

Anonymous said...

The pop up was incorrect regarding the older girls never wearing pants. In the Duggar book, the show one of the older girls wearing pants with a long tshirt over it. The were doing a remodeling job at the Johnson Rd house. They looked like capri's. The family was installing tile, perhaps the family has gotten stricter with their dress code as time went by.

Allison said...

I thought this episode was pretty good. It was nice to see that the girls are able to go out and do things, and aren't completely trapped at home. I'd think if Michelle and Jim Bob were really that concerned about always having their "sister moms" around, then they'd never be allowed to do something like that, especially something that could be dangerous.

I'm also glad Anna clarified that they would be wearing fire suits because you can't go into a fire in a skirt. I'm glad they realize that and I'm glad we have confirmation of it too.

Joanne, RN said...

Sorry, that skirt they made was ridiculous and not functional at all. It was cute however. It was way too tight to move in and too short to be modest (envision being on the floor doing CPR with your behind in the air) Pants would be way more modest that that image to me.
Also, the home church looked like nothing but chaos with a pot luck supper. My children went to church from a young age and were not permitted to run around and play games during the service. How can anyone pay attention?
and how do the little ones ever learn appropriate behavior?

Anonymous said...

The Dugger philosophy that men are so lustfully weak that will attack any female not wearing a skirt is bizarre to say the very least. The idea that a member of the Tontitown Volunteer Fire Department would loose control and sexually yearn for one of those voluptuous Dugger girls while fighting a fire is ridiculous. Maybe, they should just wear a burqha to hide their sensuous selves from the lechers of Tontitown.

Anonymous said...

The skirts Anna made reminded me of pencil skirts, which are anything but modest in the world of skirts. (Btw, there's not much to taking pants and making them into a skirt but undoing the inseam, making it straight and seaming it up the middle again. {simplified})

That church service did look like a lot of younger people were more than disinterested, and were bored for the most part.

Anonymous said...

Do Anna and the Duggars realize that in biblical times there were no pants for men?

Anonymous said...

So the Duggars wear skirts to (as they say) bring attention upwards to their faces and to ensure that untoward attention isn't drawn to them, yet they make their skirts and go to the men of the Fire Department to show them and draw attention to their skirts and legs?

I don't get it.

Am I missing something other than hypocrisy?

Allison said...

"yet they make their skirts and go to the men of the Fire Department to show them and draw attention to their skirts and legs?"

That was part of the whole "so embarassing" thing they were talking about. The idea of showing off the skirts was Frank the cameraman's idea for "good footage" and afterward they said they could hear them laughing at the girls. Obviously I think Jana and Jill realized their mistake and that it was probably a bad idea!

Willow #1 said...

If the skirts are because they truly believe in skirts versus pants, why not full length skirts anymore? I agree with the posters who believe their modesty is just to draw attention (basically their hairstyles do the same thing) but I am not sure the children understand that yet. But I bet JimBob and Michelle do and the kids will too, eventually.

As for the church services: Did I understand JimBob to say that when they attended the large Baptist Church the family was too separated? ... and that they decided to attend a smaller church so they could all be together? Please someone let me know your understanding of this. The only way I can take it is that he was just too controlling to even let his children attend a Baptist Sunday School or nursery room without him? WHY? I would be interested to hear even one good reason why this makes sense. Many will not agree with me, but I bet the reason for the smaller church is for more attention. Just my guess. Another reason could be that they are just too lazy to take their kids out or discipline them (it would take too long to discipline that many) during a standard church service. Maybe logistically, the smaller church service is the best way for them - for a variety of reasons.

I took it that Anna was just referring to the basic brain development of children under age 5 etc. I think she takes a lot of interest in Mack, but it will be harder to have the time for the future children. All the little ones are just too adorable for words.

I liked the episode however. Enjoyed seeing the younger adults. I would enjoy seeing John, Joseph and Josiah a little more also. All in all, I still like and enjoy the Duggars. They are more interesting than much of TV. I did notice that parts of the last 2 episodes were filmed on the same day. However, that is probably normal for reality TV. I don't think it really matters.

Peace and love fellow posters. I enjoy reading all of your posts very much.

Cyn said...

So the Duggars wear skirts to (as they say) bring attention upwards to their faces and to ensure that untoward attention isn't drawn to them, yet they make their skirts and go to the men of the Fire Department to show them and draw attention to their skirts and legs?

I don't get it.

Am I missing something other than hypocrisy?
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They were altering the official dress uniform, so they would need the fire chief's ok on the alterations; the comment the chief made gave me the impression though, that the chief knew they would be making them into skirts.

I also don't see the hypocrisy but maybe that's just me, since it was the camera man's idea that they film the girls showing it to the fire chief. (and after you could hear the camera guys cracking up at the girls)

Speaking of TLC editing though... the fire scene they showed was from the BATES fighting the trailer fire, I noticed because it was on the clip I went hunting for yesterday.

Reality TV Junkie said...

I made me almost cry when I heard Anna say "I learned to sew while sitting on my mothers' lap." It reminds me of how the Duggar kids never, ever sit on their mothers' lap. Even though it's a tiny simple thing, I think these little things are really quite important. It's sad to know that they won't have a memory of sitting on Mommys' lap. Little things count.

Kitten said...

Remember that Anna is the 5th of 8 kids, and a couple of her older siblings do not follow the strict ATI lifestyle, so she has been in a close relationship with non-ATI people a lot more than the Duggar kids (at least up until the show started). I think she's learned that "people with green hair" (as an example of non-ATI folks) are not all drug-snorting, sex-crazed zombies, and that you can actually be a good person without worshiping Gothard. Which may account for her more easy-going attitude. I'm sure that even coming from another conservative family, "fitting in" with the Duggars has been a challenge, especially with a camera in your face.

Yes, the Duggar kids have their cousin Amy, but I've always gotten the impression that she is presented to them as the example not to follow. Offhand comments the kids have made indicate that they have been taught to "love her anyway," but to pity her lifestyle.

I also get the feeling that Josh, while still annoying in the extreme, is beginning to relish being out of the house, and learning that God does not strike you down if you don't think/act/speak exactly like your dad. If they lived anywhere but Tontitown, I would say there's hope for him, but as long as he is in his dad's galaxy, I think he'll keep his non-ATI impulses in the closet.

It would benefit all the Duggar kids immensely if one of the older ones were to "leave the fold" of strict ATI and prove that it is possible to live modestly and follow Christ without burdening your life with all the fears and rules Gothard imposes. John-David might just be that one, especially after his trip to SE Asia. I get the feeling that that trip was a bit of an eye-opener for him.

DianeD said...

Did anyone catch Anna's comment when she was siting side-by-side with Josh...I can't figure out if she said that skirts show "difference" from men, or that skirts show "deference" to men?

Anonymous said...

The skirts are their "dress uniform". The girls mentioned this at the beginning of the episode. Just like military soldiers have combat uniforms and dress uniforms. No one could really believe Jimbob and Michelle would send their girls out to fight fires in a skirt.

Skirts can blow up and not be real modest but I think they wear them to look more feminine, just as Anna stated. That's probably the real reason they all have long hair.

I don't understand the church thing either. Several of the younger kids were standing around Jill (I believe) and playing so she obviously wasn't able to pay attention. Having youn kids in the service is so distracting to other adults. It would be so much better to be in a large church so the kids could be in the nursery and children's classes. That way the kids would hear age appropriate stories and lessons and the adults would be able to focus on the sermon.

Anonymous said...

I replayed the "difference" vs. "deference" comment to catch what Anna said, and it's definately "deference". This is listed on their character quality list that's on the Gothard website.

smoore2213 said...

As a volunteer firefighter and professional paramedic, I have sometimes answered volunteer calls wearing a skirt. I have also fought fires wearing a skirt underneath my turnout gear("fire suit.") And you CAN modestly do CPR in a skirt, as long as the skirt is long and full. I've done it, too.
As far as the dress uniform, it is actually very common for female volunteer firefighters to request, make or buy a skirt to match the male firefighter's dress uniform. The reason is that those unisex dress pants, at least for this new mommy, point out all the wrong bulges. They may be unisex but are simply not designed for a woman's curves, so many of us have chosen to wear a similar color skirt instead. As I said, it's a pretty common practice among woman firefighters, most of whom are NOT fundie in the least.

Re Michaela Bates: It is also common for women to choose to be pump operators instead of interior firefighters. Believe it or not, you actually have to do MORE training to be a pump operator than to fight a fire inside.

Erin said...

"Did I understand JimBob to say that when they attended the large Baptist Church the family was too separated? ... and that they decided to attend a smaller church so they could all be together? Please someone let me know your understanding of this. The only way I can take it is that he was just too controlling to even let his children attend a Baptist Sunday School or nursery room without him? WHY? I would be interested to hear even one good reason why this makes sense."

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I think that Jim Bob and Michelle prefer to worship together as a family, instead of having the kids in multiple Sunday School rooms.
Some churches frown upon small children in the main service, which is somewhat understandable. When kids are still in the learning process of how to sit quietly, they can definitely be a distraction to others.
Although we utilize Sunday School for our children, I can understand their desire.
When we get back in the car after a Sunday service, I try to talk with my 5 and 3 year old about what they learned. They can't seem to ever remember what they discussed, and it makes it hard for us to reinforce the lesson.
If we were all together, we could discuss it together as a family after church.
I've known other families who choose to keep their kids with them during the service for many reasons, including a time to be trained in how to sit still and listen, and the ability to see their parents worshiping the Lord.

bonehead said...

Ok, so why did they have the second kitchen? I thought that was for use, when they have church at their house. Which is why they have it? Cause when they have shown the girls cooking, it is not in that second kitchen. So what is the purpose of this kitchen now? If church is not in their home anymore? And they rent a house for church? What!?

CappuccinoLife said...

Glad to see some info from a female firefighter.

I don't think skirts as part of a *dress* uniform is at all odd or out of place.

TLC once again was disingenuous with their promos. Surprise, surprise! Maybe we should reserve the flame throwers (har har) for after the episode is aired and we find out if what was promoted is really what the episode is about.

I guess how one feels about the girls wearing 'short' (below knee length is short?) skirts, or fire suits, depends on their overall view of the Duggars. If it's negative, that'll be another negative. If it's not, it might just be a sign that they are flexible for specifics while maintaining an overall preference. I never gathered that their beliefs were set in stone, never to be reconsidered. They're a family and families grow and change and adjust over the years, and might look very different at year 30 than they did at year one.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

The pop up was incorrect regarding the older girls never wearing pants. In the Duggar book, the show one of the older girls wearing pants with a long tshirt over it. The were doing a remodeling job at the Johnson Rd house. They looked like capri's. The family was installing tile, perhaps the family has gotten stricter with their dress code as time went by.

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I have the book and that girl is wearing bloomers under the t-shirt. The kind they wear under their dresses. We did see the girls wear coveralls when they were working on the house. Those are pants.

Also the children do sit on Michelle's lap. I have seen that several times on the show. Often though Michelle is busy and not just sitting around so you don't see it often.

Anonymous said...

I guess Michelle is resting and healing. She is lucky that she is able to do that with such a large family. However, now that Josie is able to come out of her room and be looked after by her sisters, there is no problem for Michelle.

I have no doubt that if Anna announces her second pregnancy, Michelle will soon after announce her 20th.

I really like what Anna seems to be like on these interviews. She is alive and interested in her little girl. She spends a lot of time with her. Hopefully, she will continue to do so, giving her all the attention and love she deserves.

Anonymous said...

I am so divided on what I want to write. As a young woman, I attended both the Basic and Advanced Bill Gothard seminars. While I enjoyed it at the time, some things have troubled me since. One of the things is that the scriptures that Gothard references to prove his ideas are often taken wildly out of context. I don't see why wearing dresses is superior spiritually and morally to wearing pants. I also don't see why the boys can't wear shorts. It's bizarre, not Godly. I am also distressed that the older girls have no life outside of their parenting of the younger children. I consider myself a fan of the show, but question some of the things I watch. And another thing: The Bates (Gil and Kelly) both graduated from college, yet refuse to consider formal education for their own children (Heaven forbid, they'd have to see someone with green hair). It's sad to me.

Anonymous said...

It seems kind of odd to me that the Duggar girls see nothing wrong with wearing skirts to appear "feminine" while simultaneously being taught that all men have no ability to control their sexual impulses. After all, if they are taught to not wear revealing clothes that will tempt men, why do they think it's a good thing for them to wear clothes and adjust their "countenance" so that they still tempt men but not quite so much? According to this frame of mind they should try to look as much like men as possible, or at least sexless creatures that would never be considered attractive to the opposite sex, at least in public. And if skirts make you look like a girl they should never want to be caught dead wearing them unless they are alone with their husband, or at the very least courting with chaperones.

Kitten said...

"They were altering the official dress uniform, so they would need the fire chief's ok on the alterations"

What I heard was that the *camera crew* got the idea for the girls to go show the captain the skirts. And it didn't sound like the captain cared one way or the other - it sounded more like he was kind of embarrassed at having to find something to say about them. And the girls were embarrassed at being talked into going to the station.

Folks, we're talking a VOLUNTEER fire crew in a very small town. In general, they don't exactly have strict standards for things like DRESS uniforms, which would only be used for things like 4th of July parades.

This is just another trumped up scene of a NON-reality show created to generate some kind of drama or plot where there isn't any.

jj said...

"I notice that Josie is out and about in the fray of the family now, with everyone holding and handling her. I guess Michelle was still recovering from her surgery at the time of the filming of this episode? Josie still looks very, very small and infantish, even with her adjusted birthdate of March. I hope she is OK."

My first baby was a preemie, although not as early as Josie. She remained very small and "baby-ish" looking for a long time. Now that she's a toddler you would never know she was premature, but she looked so little and young up until about 18 months or so. Now that I have another, full-term baby, I am struck by how tiny and baby like my first was.

Sharla said...

19 Kids and Counting (9pm)
- 1.328 million viewers
- 0.8/1 HH
- 0.5/1 A18-49

Anonymous said...

I think from a medical point of view it can be an infection control issue since specific pants are issued to emts and firefighters alike for a reason, the safety of the rescuer,

Cassandra said...

I think it's sad that the older girls will likely not have the opportunity to pursue higher education, and that their only contributions outside of the household will be as volunteer firefighters. Don't get me wrong, volunteering is admirable and very appreciated, but if they have such "caring hearts", etc., why wouldn't they put them to use in a full time career? Jill had mentioned in passing that she was interested in nursing after seeing the care that Josie received. What the heck is she waiting for!? DO IT! These girls are all finished their homeschooling, are living at home, are not working/earning money, and have no responsibilites as wives/mothers yet (aside from being sister-mothers).

I am a 28 year old woman with a Master's degree, a husband, a 15-month-old baby, and a home to help take care of. At the age of Jana and Jill, I was married (not for religious reasons), halfway through my undergraduate degree, and with aspirations to own a home, begin my career, and start a family.

These girls CAN have it all! They don't have to sacrifice the "womanly" duties that they hold so dear to them in order to receive a proper, higher education. What a waste it would be if they never went on to further themselves. Being a mother and a wife are very important roles...but I truly believe that being and education mother and wife make me better at both.

I hope that the Duggar girls take every opportunity afforded to them, OR seek out opportunities on their own. No one should be denied an education!

Anonymous said...

I like Anna's chunky necklace in this episode.I wish I knew where she got it from.
Josh was totally making a face when Anna was talking,like he couldn't stand to let her have the attention,and I thought he was rude for interupting her.